From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 11:48 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Resource Greetings. You never know where he's gonna show up. Check out http://www.meninblack.com/meninblackmag/toc.html Sounds familiar? Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 12:40 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Montreal subway shut down after apparent electrical explosion >From the CNN homepage: _____________________ Montreal subway shut down after apparent electrical explosion MONTREAL (AP) -- An explosion apparently sparked by an electrical problem shut down Montreal's subway system Saturday morning, a transit official said. No injuries were reported. The blast and a subsequent fire knocked out the subway communication system, and yellow smoke that billowed out of two manholes caused authorities to evacuate about 100 people from their homes in case the smoke was toxic. "We're fortunate that this happened on a Saturday morning," when traffic was light, said transit spokeswoman Odile Paradis. She said no train passengers were injured in the explosion at 7:45 a.m. at the Laurier subway station in central Montreal. Scores of buses were deployed throughout the city to transport people waiting for trains. Paradis said she expected the subway system to be operating as usual by Monday. ________________________ Did you ever hear of Ghouls in Montreal? Did they immigrate from Paris? Who helped them to cross the Atlantic? And the explosion? Do the Montreal Ghouls have the same dispute as those in New York? Is there a battle of the Ghouls in Montreal? Will the users of the subway be in danger by this? ECKHARD From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 12:40 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Navy veteran charged in serial sex killings >From CNN [ digested versions ]: _____________________________ Navy veteran charged in serial sex killings DETROIT (CNN) -- A former U.S. Navy sailor suspected of being an international serial killer was charged Friday with first-degree murder in the sex slayings of five Detroit-area women. The suspect, John Eric Armstrong, 26, is also suspected in as many as 16 slayings since the early 1990s. He was also charged with three counts of assault with intent to murder and one count of armed robbery stemming from other Detroit attacks. Armstrong was also charged with murder in connection with a slaying in suburban Dearborn Heights, where he has lived since September. He is charged with killing a woman there in January. The four victims in Detroit and one in Dearborn Heights were prostitutes, police said. Suspect had been in custody, then released Armstrong had been in the custody of Dearborn Heights police as recently as March in connection with another killing, but a delay in receiving DNA evidence forced his release. "Since there was no hint that he was a serial criminal, it did not seem there would be any other consequences," said Wayne County Deputy Prosecutor Bob Agacinsky. Police say suspect asked for help Armstrong was cooperating with the police investigation and was answering questions without a lawyer present, according to police. The other attacks in which Armstrong has claimed involvement, according to officials involved in the investigation, occurred while he was a crew member aboard the Navy aircraft carrier USS Nimitz. "As the investigation keeps going on, bodies keep popping up. The numbers keep increasing," Detroit police Officer Octaveious Miles said Thursday. "There is a similar pattern that ties them all together that creates a trail." While Detroit police had physical evidence linking him to the deaths of the five prostitutes, agencies elsewhere have been unable to tie him to any unsolved slayings. "There are gaps in his timeline that we are concerned about," said Detroit police Cmdr. Dennis Richardson. "Nothing outside of Michigan has been confirmed yet." Locations of slayings crisscross Pacific The string of killings began in Armstrong's home state of North Carolina, where the only woman not linked to prostitution was strangled during sex. The other cases with similar patterns include two women in Seattle in 1993, a man in Seattle in 1996, one in Thailand in 1996, two in Honolulu in 1997, two in Hong Kong in 1997, one in Singapore in 1998 and one in Newport News, Virginia, the same year. The bodies of the last three victims were found Monday in an area on the city's west side, an area frequented by prostitutes. The victims had been killed during a three-week period, according to police. Armstrong enlisted in the Navy in April, 1992, and was assigned to the aircraft carrier Nimitz following boot camp, a military official said. He was still stationed aboard the Nimitz, as a ship's serviceman third class petty officer, when he received an honorable discharge in April 1999. During his service, Armstrong also received two good conduct medals. Armstrong's last assigned duty was as barbershop supervisor aboard the ship. _____________ I know, it's a long text but I find this story really interesting for DG. First: Here is a serial killer that gets away with his killings because of his profession in which he is constantly travelling the world. Mmmmh, don't the DG Agents travel a lot? We discussed the private life of Agents. Strangling prostiutes might be a nice hobby to spicen up your character's background. Second: It seems that he had went on killing after having already been questioned once by the police. They say he asked for help, but nothing happened. Why? Did somebody have an interest in him killing a certain number? Was it necessary for a ritual / or spell? Third: The guy travelled around the globe killing. Perhaps his victims were not chosen by chance, but had been chosen by him in advance? Often prostitutes, therefore probably cultists of Y'Golonac? Or - since many were killed in Asia - Cultists of the "Bloated Woman"? Is this man probably a DG friendly [ or even DG-Agent ] that uses methods that are kind of unacceptable? ECKHARD From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Adam Marler [adam_marler@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 3:00 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Navy veteran charged in serial sex killings Its obviously a Shan, not that prolific of a Shan, but thats the idea that jumped out of my head first.(Umm... yeah.) I think its a good idea though to pass on any weird news items like this to the list, it certainly helps get the ideas flowing. -Adam ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 4:11 PM To: Til Eulenspiegel Cc: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Good film Greetings. >> And there's a moment where you catch something in the background >> that might be the Fate, or DG, or something. > > I missed this in the movie. What part do you refer to? The odd >cop from the funeral and his buddies? Indeed. What's happening in that darkened room? The Italian version of what the silhouette guy shouts is 'This is not a puppet show, you know. Would you close that door?' I sat there watching and I thought..... Alsiz. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Steven Kaye [box_nine@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 4:21 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Whole Earth Enterprises Mark mentioned that the idea of Whole Earth Enterprises really resonated with him, because he knew the sort of backstabbing sociopathic executives that WEE might hire. Honestly, I'm of two minds when it comes to WEE. On the one hand, a corporation is a lot harder to take on with SEAL teams and mini-subs, so power inflation might be sharply curtailed, and agents from groups other than the FBI/NSA/CIA might have a chance to show their stuff. On the other hand, the notion of WEE as consisting of nothing but malefactors looking to exploit child labor in toxic landfills for a few years before selling them to Thai brothels is a bit oversimplistic to my mind. Reeks of Pentex and its toys that whisper to kids "Kill your parents" and the like. An interesting one-off campaign might have the players as employees of WEE or one of its subsidiaries. Let them get used the place, exchanging gossip around the place with co-workers, going out drinking with buddies from work. They get corporate charge cards, concierge service, the works. Maybe some of them even work in the PR or Legal Departments. Then they start realizing they've been working longer and longer hours. Most of their friends and acquaintances are from work. And some of the stuff their employer's been doing is frankly starting to creep them out. But they can't afford to leave - they've grown accustomed to the custom-tailored Italian suits, the nice place on the Upper East Side (substitute upscale location of your choice here), the other perks. The sinister corporation's worked well in fiction - Kim Newman's THE QUORUM, for example, or the book I'm reading now, James Lovegrove's DAYS. But how do you make it work in gaming without losing any subtlety? Steven ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Steven Kaye box_nine@ix.netcom.com Reason - rationality - is a concentration camp, where the sets of concepts for surviving in a chaotic universe form vast, though finite, rows of huts, separated into blocks by electric fences, which the searchlights of Attention rove over, picking out now one group of huts, now another. Thoughts, like prisoners - imprisoned for their own security and safety - scurry and march and labour in a flat two-dimensional zone, forbidden to leap fences, gunned down by laser beams of madness and unreason if they try to. Ian Watson, THE EMBEDDING From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Christopher (Case Officer) [christopher@delta-green.com] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 4:26 PM To: Agents and Case Officers Subject: DG: Delta-Green.com Update -|- DELTA GREEN SECURE SERVER v24.6 -|- PGP CODING ENABLED -|- New York was a bust for those lost operations transcripts. We should have guessed as much; we didn't want to pay too much to get what PARIAH was offering, and we got nothing in return. There are other avenues. We have people just now returning from the UK; after a few tests we'll debrief them and find out what they were able to learn. There are some pieces missing from those ops - EARL GREY and DEAD LETTER in 1997, SANDMAN in 1998 - which may prove very instructive. In any event, we do have several useful documents online this month. An image of the Kan'tharga Stone, "Purported to contain the key to contacting and controlling the Colour out of Space." Field Report #3310, from a 1999 investigation into pornography and slavery. Field Report #2422, from a 1995 investigation into Jericho Technologies and bioengineered "vampires." Document #8301, "The New Reich," a lengthy training scenario first distributed several months ago via the mailing list. Document #8513, concerning the BLEAK RELAY device and operation FRACTAL GOD. Archives for the DELTA GREEN MAILING LIST have been reactivated and are now updated daily. Additional intelligence will be posted next month. be seeing you, Christopher End transmission. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Deirdre M. Brooks [xenya@teleport.com] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 5:20 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity Davide Mana wrote: > > >I've been experiencing them when exiting cars near my home, and > >occasionally when opening the front door (only from outside). This has > >been going on since sometime last year. > > Same here, quite often. > I generally blame the dry weather - but maybe I'm just striving to find a > safe explanation. Cold weather, war, weather. dry weather. rainy weather... It's happened with standing water by the curb and on dry, clear days. It just happens. I blame sunspots. > Maybe there's something to this story of electrosmog..... Electrosmog? -- Deird'Re M. Brooks | xenya@teleport.com | cam#9309026 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG "If you loved me, you'd all kill yourselves today." -- Spider Jerusalem | http://www.teleport.com/~xenya From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of gothedhel [galador@jazzfree.com] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 5:15 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Making Karotechia more powerful Greetings, In my campaign Karotechia has become a "lesser evil gang" (TM) due to the following factors: *They don´t have law enforcement powers -nor any legitimacy for their operations in any country, for that matter. *Their intelligence capabilities are limited. How can they get the address of that PC zombie operative who has ruined their operations? *Somewhat my players have an understandable trend towards shooting any K member without asking any questions. They may spare an MJ agent if they don´t have any evidence against him, and, even then, they will *usually* try to use "legal" or quasi-legal procedures to take him out of the game. This never happens with K agents. Killing some nazi murderer who is supposed to have died thirty years ago doesn´t qualify as a crime in most countries, you know. *The whole organization -unlike MJ- seems to depend on a bunch of *mad* individuals who cannot roam freely throughout my campaign. The other members are nobodies no better in spell casting or even combat than your average drug-dealer. I know they are not the K of Our Darkest hour, but... I guess I need some ideas to make these guys more powerful; of course they are only "defeatable" villains in my campaign, but I want my players to sweat for a while. Any suggestions are, as always, welcome. Gothedhel From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of gothedhel [galador@jazzfree.com] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 5:16 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: RE: Popes and Bones ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Thomas To: Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 12:43 PM Subject: DG: Popes and Bones > 0100,0100,0100Hello All, > While browsing around today I came across the following: > Papal skull stolen from Spanish museum > http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/04/11/bc.spain.papalskull.ap/ > which struck me as having that bouquet as it were. Who would want the Skull > of a 14th century pope? > > Later > > Rob. For that matter, I would ask who would want the skull of a 14th century ANTI-pope. For the "pope" mentioned here was Benedictus XIII -also known as Pedro de Luna before turning into a self-proclaimed pope-. I don´t remember all the details, but I think there were at least three popes trying to seize power inside catholic church and "Pope Luna" -our "friend" Benedictus- was one of them. Despite he lost in the end all of his followers and allies, he never resigned, dying as an "antipope". This doesn´t mean he practiced *reportedly* black sorcery or whatever; antipopes were just popes opposed to the legitimate catholic pope. However, his participation in such "church power struggles" speaks by itself. You know, many medieval popes weren´t a bunch of saints... Adventure idea: The skull was taken by Karotechia-related groups operating in Spain. One Karotechia member -you know who- wants to use it in a bizarre experiment intended to reanimate the old antipope -though they only have the skull they will attach it to one recently dead body- and make him reveal where some of the dark artifacts the catholic church obtained during Middle Age are hidden. And if you don´t care about making historical mistakes, you can make Pope Luna a nasty sorcerer... Gothedhel From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of gothedhel [galador@jazzfree.com] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 5:08 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: RE: DG: Let's call the SEALs !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 7:58 AM Subject: Re: DG: Let's call the SEALs !!! > Just wanted to throw out some ideas, both from reality and from opinion, on > the use of large-scale Delta Green assets for operations. ***lots of very good stuff deleted*** > Any attempt to go after the Fate should be > harassed or ignored by law enforcement officials (either they are on > somebody's payroll or the Fate is just a myth, right?). Well, though in my campaign there were some corrupt people working inside NYPD -yeah, they were on somebody´s payroll-, one of my players managed to avoid this problem going to a federal agency. Of course, when they found no evidence about strange assassinations inside Club Apocalypse, his reputation was badly shaken *again*. And, what is worse, the manager of such "legitimate business" mumbled something about death and retribution... Gothedhel From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Steven Kaye [box_nine@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 4:21 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Whole Earth Enterprises Mark mentioned that the idea of Whole Earth Enterprises really resonated with him, because he knew the sort of backstabbing sociopathic executives that WEE might hire. Honestly, I'm of two minds when it comes to WEE. On the one hand, a corporation is a lot harder to take on with SEAL teams and mini-subs, so power inflation might be sharply curtailed, and agents from groups other than the FBI/NSA/CIA might have a chance to show their stuff. On the other hand, the notion of WEE as consisting of nothing but malefactors looking to exploit child labor in toxic landfills for a few years before selling them to Thai brothels is a bit oversimplistic to my mind. Reeks of Pentex and its toys that whisper to kids "Kill your parents" and the like. An interesting one-off campaign might have the players as employees of WEE or one of its subsidiaries. Let them get used the place, exchanging gossip around the place with co-workers, going out drinking with buddies from work. They get corporate charge cards, concierge service, the works. Maybe some of them even work in the PR or Legal Departments. Then they start realizing they've been working longer and longer hours. Most of their friends and acquaintances are from work. And some of the stuff their employer's been doing is frankly starting to creep them out. But they can't afford to leave - they've grown accustomed to the custom-tailored Italian suits, the nice place on the Upper East Side (substitute upscale location of your choice here), the other perks. The sinister corporation's worked well in fiction - Kim Newman's THE QUORUM, for example, or the book I'm reading now, James Lovegrove's DAYS. But how do you make it work in gaming without losing any subtlety? Steven ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Steven Kaye box_nine@ix.netcom.com Reason - rationality - is a concentration camp, where the sets of concepts for surviving in a chaotic universe form vast, though finite, rows of huts, separated into blocks by electric fences, which the searchlights of Attention rove over, picking out now one group of huts, now another. Thoughts, like prisoners - imprisoned for their own security and safety - scurry and march and labour in a flat two-dimensional zone, forbidden to leap fences, gunned down by laser beams of madness and unreason if they try to. Ian Watson, THE EMBEDDING From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@disinfo.net] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 8:59 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Navy veteran charged in serial sex killings On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 12:59:51 PDT Adam Marler wrote: >Its obviously a Shan, not that prolific of a Shan, but thats the idea that >jumped out of my head first.(Umm... yeah.) Actually, my first thought was that he's a fall guy for someone else. He could be a DG agent who took out the real killer, but got caught with the evidence making him look like _he_ was the killer. Or it could be a case of the hunter identifying with his prey--our agent was trackig down the killer, but as his sanity slipped away, became the killer once he'd destroyed the original killer. Just musing--in the real world, I say lock him away and throw away the key. Dave From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@disinfo.net] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 9:05 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re:DG: Delta-Green.com Update On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:25:58 -0500 "Christopher (Case Officer)" wrote: >Archives for the DELTA GREEN MAILING LIST have been reactivated and are now >updated daily. Once again, thank you for setting that up. They've been very useful to me for playing catch-up. And folks--check out the imagery intel that's been appearing lately. Some fine new pieces. Dave From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Anthony Baxter [anthony@interlink.com.au] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 9:32 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: more tricks for closing down a cult. Lifted from http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20332-2000Apr15.html, more tricks for closing down a cult HQ: Earlier in the day, the D.C. Fire Department and the Metropolitan Police Department shut down the Florida Avenue NW headquarters of the World Bank protesters at about 8:30 a.m., citing fire code violations. The warehouse down an alley behind 1328 Florida Avenue had as many as 200 people in it and just outside it this morning when fire investigators and police ordered them to leave. The investigators found what they said were blocked stairwells and exits, flammable fluids and improperly modified electrical wiring, said Executive Assistant Chief Terrance W. Gainer. He also said investigators found the components to make a molotov cocktail. He said the components consisted of a rag inside an empty liter bottle of soda. Gainer said police and fire officials were responding to complaints from a source he could not identify. "The purpose was to ensure these young kids don't burn in a fire," Gainer said. Hands up who's ever thought of using fire regulations against a building? It's gotta be a great way to get into a building for searching it - whip on the fireman's outfit, and walk on in... And heck, if all you need is a rag in a bottle to show that they were terrorists... Anthony From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of John Petherick [jpetheri@cyberbeach.net] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 11:01 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Montreal subway shut down after apparent electrical explosion At 07:40 PM 4/15/00 +0200, you wrote: ________________________ > >Did you ever hear of Ghouls in Montreal? Did they immigrate from Paris? Who >helped them to cross the Atlantic? >And the explosion? Do the Montreal Ghouls have the same dispute as those in New >York? Is there a battle of the Ghouls in Montreal? >Will the users of the subway be in danger by this? > >ECKHARD > Hmm, Montreal and Quebec City are at least as old as New York. Both have large cemetaries within or near the old city. Paris is the most probable origin for these ghouls, but they may have come from other locations. That might be the cause for a possible dispute - old "pur laine" francophone ghouls versus new "arriviste" anglophone ghouls. More probable is the influence of other Mythos entities. Montreal is a popular destination for francophone refugees and immigrants from locations like Haiti, former French colonies in Africa and, to a lesser extent, Southeast Asia. Tcho tcho influences could exist, along with other cults. Montreal is a common destination when Inuit and First Nations from the Eastern Arctic are brought out for medical treatment or schooling. This area is known for Ithaqua and Cthulhu cults. ********************************************************************* John Petherick, CIH jpetheri@cyberbeach.net From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Nerva Vels [nerva@escape.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 1:24 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: T.O.L.G.A.: Transforming Obedient Lifeform Generated for Assassination Well,... at least MINE is real... Nuclear Engine for Rocket Vehicle Application (N.E.R.V.A., born 1964, laid to rest 1972, I believe.... ) > Tolga Yanasik schrieb: > > T.O.L.G.A.: Transforming Obedient Lifeform Generated for Assassination > > > > Yeah, that's me. > > Frightening. > > [snip] > > > > Well, I thought that someone may find a name for the MJ-12 cyborg in > > his/her campaign. And that I hope clears me from any allegations of > > being off-topic. > > Since you consider this on topic: Let's play "Create a Cyborg Name". > > D.A.V.I.D.E.M.A.N.A.: D-Cell's Advanced Ventriloquist Italian Developed Eryx > Maze Anticipating Neotissue Agent > > D.A.V.E.F.A.R.N.E.L.L.: D-Cell's AdVanced Equipped For Assaults and Rescues > Nippon Experienced Libyans Liquidator > > M.A.R.C.Mc.F.A.D.D.E.N.: M-Cell's Advanced Royal Canadian McIntosh using > Frenchies Assaulting Damascus Developed Experienced Negotiator > > J.E.F.F.E.W.I.N.G.: J-Cell's Experimental French Fries Eating West Indian > Neo-Ghoul > > And before this starts to become absolute nonsense I stop. Anyway, we may still > blame it on Tolga ;-) > > ECKHARD > > > > From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 2:20 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: LA Babylon In a message dated 4/15/00 7:46:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ambjpe@gis.net writes: << I'm working on the first installment of "Secret Waters of Los Angeles" right now. Jeff, who asks "How *is* that LA piece coming along, Mark? >> First, I want to see the Secret Waters articles. It is fundamental to LA's existence, since everything turns back into desert without the life support system. That's why the water was the heart of Chinatown, which was supposed to be the first installment of an LA trilogy. The Two Jakes added oil and the post-war boom to the real estate equation. I don't know what the subject of the third was supposed to be, and there are no signs of it ever being made. Polanski can't return to the US, and Nicholson and Towne had some conflicts, which is why The Two Jakes was as it was. I figured that the freeway system was the third element, so imagine my bemusement when I saw a movie that had a villain who conspired to eradicate the Red Cars and replace them with freeways and strip malls and gas stations and drive-thrus and .... it will be glorious!!! The movie was Who Framed Roger Rabbit? I'm torn between presenting the pieces individually on the list, or incorporating it into a web page. But now I think I'll put 'em out on the list first, then integrate them into a web page, with pictures and maps. Right now I'm studying the LA music scene. Silly frickin' me, I never thought of Phil Spector as an LA personality, I always saw him in New York creating the Wall of Sound. Anyhoo, I'm hovering around the confusing connections to the Manson murders, and boy howdy is it getting good. Two books that have provided pages of notes and references are: Hollywood Hex: death and destiny in the dream factory. An illustrated history of cursed movies. by Mikita Brottman (ISBN 1 871592 85 2) Doesn't try to make the synchronicities fit, just reports them and lets you make of them what you will. The arc of 'Rosemary's Baby' \ Manson murders \ 'MacBeth' is chilling. The chapter on 'The Believers' and it's connections to the Matamoros cult in Mexico is a must read. It is a template for cults in the modern age. The history reads like a DG report. and Waiting For The Sun: strange days and weird scenes and the sound of Los Angeles by Barney Hoskyns (ISBN 0 7475 3786 0) Although the title seems to put The Doors in the spotlight, they don't appear until after the middle of the book, inhabit one chapter with a host of others and then moves on. More detail on the Manson murders. Did you know that the Manson murders, Woodstock, and Altamont all happened in the same year? The survivor of the Tate murders was the caretaker, living in the guest house 50 yards away. The first victim was Steven Parent (oooo, the first victim of the Family was a Parent) who was shot in his car in the driveway, they didn't know that he was there to visit Bill Garretson, the caretaker. Garretson didn't hear any of the shots or screams because... he was listening to The Doors. Here's some more: Jay Sebring was the hairstylist to the stars. he is the fella who cut Morrison's hair to match a bust of Alexander the Great. Jay Sebring was apparently sharing Sharon Tate's bed while Polanski was in Europe on the night of the murders, which would explain why he was at the other end of the rope tied to Sharon Tate's throat, the one the two were hung from during the festivities. According to Dennis Hopper, a frequent guest at 10050 Cielo before and after the Polanskis moved in, the Polanski crowd had "fallen into sadism and masochism and bestiality." According to Terry Melcher (a name that crops up again and again. He was a record producer, the son of Doris Day, and the previous owner of 10050 Cielo Drive), he'd "presumed the murders had something to do with the weird film Polanski had made, and the equally weird people who were hanging around the house" - people who'd been "making a lot of homemade sadomasochistic-porno movies with quite a few recognizable Hollywood faces in them." There were plenty of witnesses to one expression of the weirdness; Jay Sebring and Wotjek Frykowski (Polanskis best friend) had apparently been burned on a cocaine deal with Billy Doyle, Mama Cass's dealer. So, at a party thrown at 10050 Cielo for Roger Vadim, the entertainment was a public flogging of Billy Doyle. Bobby Beausoleil contended that "Sharon Tate and that gang... picked up kids on the Strip and took them home and whipped them." Bobby Beausoleil, a Family member, was unable to participate in the Tate\LaBianca murders because he was already in prison for the murder of Gary Hinman, an old Topanga Canyon acquaintence. Bobby tried to make the murder look like the work of black terrorists, but the Helter Skelter element hadn't been present at that murder. Bobby Beausoleil used to be a boy toy of Anton Szandor LaVey, and recorded the soundtrack (in prison) for Kenneth Anger's 'Lucifer Rising', which was originally going to star Mick Jagger as Lucifer with Keith Richards as Beelzebub. But, according to Anger, Jagger backed away from being identified with him. This was after Jagger's appearance in Nicholas Roeg's 'Performance', which is an article of it's own. Anton LaVey played Satan in 'Rosemary's Baby', during the nightmare sequence. He was also the Black Pope of the Church of Satan. Susan Atkins was one of LaVey's dancers in his epic rituals for the glitterati. He is also connected to the strange circumstances of Jayne Mansfield's death, and has been connected to Marilyn Monroe. Kenneth Anger also made 'Mondo Hollywood' in 1966. One scene includes Bobby Beausoleil, filmed at Jay Sebring's salon. Kenneth Anger is also the author of 'Hollywood Babylon', a classic collection of Hollywood sleaze, madness and death. Frequent visitors to the Melcher\Polanski residence, and presumably witnesses to much of the weirdness include: Warren Beatty, Roger Vadim and Jane Fonda, Peter Fonda, Dennis Hopper, Jack Nicholson, David Crosby, Mama Cass, Dennis Wilson and John Phillips. But the house at 10050 Cielo wasn't the only gathering place for the players. Bobby Beausoleil and Manson spent a lot of time at Dennis Wilson's place in Rustic Canyon, which was in Topanga, where the more rustic rock'n'rollers moved to. They made pitches to Frank Zappa, Terry Melcher and Paul Rothchild. Neil Young was living in the area, and said, "A lot of pretty-well-known musicians around LA knew Manson, though they'd probably deny it now." And, "The girls were always hanging around, too. They'd be right there on the couch with me, singing a song." Young told an interviewer at the time that there 'about eight girls' in Topanga Canyon who 'go around keeping house, cooking food, and making love to everyone'. Among them, most likely, were the killers Linda Kasabian and Patricia Krenwinkle. As Phil Kaufman put in his memoir, 'Road Mangler Deluxe', "I realized I'd had sex with every one of those murderesses." Barry "Doctor demento" Hanson was living with the band Spirit in Topanga, and recalls a day when Manson came up the driveway to ask if he could hear Spirit jam. In a Rolling Stone interview after the murders, Dennis Wilson said, "as long as I live, I'll never talk about that." However, before the murders, during the Beach Boys early-1969 tour in England, he mentioned "The Wizard" to an interviewer for Rave magazine. 'Fear is nothing but awareness' he said. 'Sometimes The Wizard frightens me. The Wizard is Charles Manson, who is a friend of mine who thinks he is God and the devil. He sings, plays, and writes poetry, and he may be another artist for Brother Records.' Would you like to hear some covers of Manson's music? Try "Home Is Where You're Happy" on the Lemonheads 'Creator' album. "Look At You're Game, Girl" on Guns'n'Roses 'The Spaghetti Incident?' and "Cease To Exist" (retitled "Never Learn Not To Love") on the Beach Boys 1969 '20/20' album. Guess who now lives at 10050 Cielo Drive? Trent Reznor. It's where he worked on The Downward Spiral. Marilyn Manson has worked there, and has some cool anecdotes. Would you believe that these are only the highlights? Mark McFadden And for Ellroy fans (and Choirboys) here's a factoid: Spade Cooley was a real person. Readers of 'The Big Nowhere' and 'LA Confidential' may remember numerous mentions of him as a usual suspect. He was leader of one of the most popular Western Swing bands of the 40s and 50s. He was arrested for rape in 1945, and 16 years later murdered his wife because... she once slept with his old pal Roy Rogers. Yippy ki yay motherfucker. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 2:20 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: T.O.L.G.A.: Transforming Obedient Lifeform Generated forAssassination In a message dated 4/15/00 7:59:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EHuelshoff@t-online.de writes: << M.A.R.C.Mc.F.A.D.D.E.N.: M-Cell's Advanced Royal Canadian McIntosh using Frenchies Assaulting Damascus Developed Experienced Negotiator >> That would be: M.A.R.K.Mc.F.A.D.D.E.N.: M-Cell's Advanced Reptilian Kaiser and Malevolent Frenchies Assaulting Damascus Developed Extropian Ninja From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 2:20 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Montreal subway shut down after apparent electricalexplosion In a message dated 4/15/00 10:44:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EHuelshoff@t-online.de writes: << MONTREAL (AP) -- An explosion apparently sparked by an electrical problem shut down Montreal's subway system Saturday morning, a transit official said. No injuries were reported. >> Other than some inexplicable static shocks. Mark McFadden From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 2:24 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: T.O.L.G.A.: Transforming Obedient Lifeform Generated for Assassination Envy! Envy! The Glove Cleaner ----- Original Message ----- From: Nerva Vels > Well,... at least MINE is real... Nuclear Engine for Rocket Vehicle > Application (N.E.R.V.A., born 1964, laid to rest 1972, I believe.... ) > -> From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 2:52 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: French ghouls / vampires ----- Original Message ----- From: John Petherick > Hmm, Montreal and Quebec City are at least as old as New York. Both have > large cemetaries within or near the old city. > > Paris is the most probable origin for these ghouls, but they may have come > from other locations. Ref. HPL's only "vampire" story, "The Shunned House". The vampire there was of French origin. One "Ettienne Roulet" if I recall. Of course this vampire wasn't a suave geek in a cloak. As in the real and original vampire legend: 1) The Vampire remains bodily within its tomb. 2) It projects some sort of ghostly image or eidolon which "sucks the blood" or vital forces of its neighbours. 3) It remains "fat and fresh" for centuries. 4) It can only be abolished by destroying the body in the tomb. Dracula & c have overwritten this image, but "The Shunned House" with its masterly mixture of real history and fiction and its unforgettable gelatinous monster was actually HPL's attempt to do a "scientific" vampire story. Similar monsters might be found in the old quarter of Quebec. The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 6:13 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Quebec and Babeling (was Re: DG: Re: French ghouls / vampires In a message dated 4/16/00 12:54:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, andywrobertson@clara.co.uk writes: << Dracula & c have overwritten this image, but "The Shunned House" with its masterly mixture of real history and fiction and its unforgettable gelatinous monster was actually HPL's attempt to do a "scientific" vampire story. Similar monsters might be found in the old quarter of Quebec. >> And, uh, I hesitate to mention a source of much angst-fodder, but since I rather like the novels I'll bring up the vampire society living in the graveyards of Paris in 'Interview With The Vampire'. Use the Grand Guignol sequences somewhere else (they reek of Yellowish rot) and tweak Armand, and you've got an interesting Ghoul colony. But I don't know; I'd just as soon leave the Parisians in Paris and look for something quintessentially Quebec. I want to start seeing Canada as an exotic locale with mystery and history and a culture that isn't just "pretty much like the US, but without the guns." So far, it seems to me that Canada is pretty much cliched as where you go to meet Ithaqua. So break out the snowshoes and request a napalm and Willy-Pete FAE arclight from A-Cell. From the media, I have come to understand the following things about Canada and Canadians: Shatner is one of them. The national cuisine is back bacon, donuts and beer. The national costume is parka, knit cap, and beer. They all say "eh" a lot, eh. Their heads all split in half horizontally at the mouth and the top half bounces around when they talk. All of Canada is in the Arctic Circle and it is covered in snow year round. The Edmund Fitzgerald sank there or something. Mounties are like big red Boy Scouts and have pet wolves. Apparently, they have to speak in subtitles or say everything twice by law or something. Judging from the behavior of the expatriate hosers at work, a common everywhere-else-in-Canada pastime is telling Quebec jokes. Like: "Coups coups." "Huh?" "Coups coups." "Uh... who's there?" "Quebec." "Quebec who?" "Je ne dois pas vous répondre dans votre toux métis de porc-chien d'un Anglais. Allez maintenant loin ou j'exposerai mes aisselles." (1) Damn, I love that Babelfish. I probably sound like one of those Japanese product descriptions translated, but I don't know any better and it even puts in those frickin' accented letters those degenerate Euroweenies are all so enamored of...... damn, did I say that out loud? Incidentally, it's a little known fact that much of the resentment that made the American Revolution inevitable was the long history of English monarchs chiding the colonies for their crude, boisterous ways and expressing the desire for them to try to act a little more like those polite Canadians, who don't seem to need *their* guns so much, do they? (1) Unfortunately, Babelfish isn't reversible. I have no idea what cacophony came out in French, but what I wrote in English was "I don't have to answer you in your mongrel pig-dog coughing of an English language. Now go away or I shall expose my armpits." which produced "Je ne dois pas vous répondre dans votre toux métis de porc-chien d'un Anglais. Allez maintenant loin ou j'exposerai mes aisselles." which when translated from "French" to English results in "I should not answer you in your mongrel cough of pig-dog of English. Go now far or I will expose my armpits." which, upon reflection, still passes information. ObDG: when writing Grey dialogue, run it through Babelfish in one language and then use the result as the input from that language back to English (or French, Italian, German, Portuguese or Spanish), it'll randomize and confuse meanings better than you could on purpose, I betcha. Now, think of that sort of text as the body of the military intel given to MJ-12 by the Greys. Kind of explains why their was no Pax Americana benignly ruling the world by the 80s what with the omniscient alien intel and all. Also a way to write translations of Mythos tomes. Just say what you mean, then Babelfish it into some suitably ambiguous and easy to misunderstand handout. Mark McFadden Il Re Delle Lucertole which Davide offline assured me was "The Lizard King" in the sense of The King of the Lizards but it Babelfishes from Italian to English as The King Of The Lucertole. He said that Re Lucertola (literally King Lizard) is reserved for referring to that pretender to the crown. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 7:15 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: LA Babylon Greetings. Mark evidently found a project close to his heart (wherever that might happen to be at the moment) and wrote.... > I'm torn between presenting the pieces individually on the list, or >incorporating it into a web page. But now I think I'll put 'em out on the >list first, then integrate them into a web page, with pictures and maps. It will be a sight worth seeing. Do you mind if we comment? Two observations offered for the sake of butting in.... ;> > The survivor of the Tate murders was the caretaker, living in the guest >house 50 yards away. The first victim was Steven Parent (oooo, the first >victim of the Family was a Parent) who was shot in his car in the driveway, >they didn't know that he was there to visit Bill Garretson, the caretaker. >Garretson didn't hear any of the shots or screams because... he was listening >to The Doors. Curiouser and curiouser - the parent was killed while he was going to visit a son in the garret (I wonder if the guesthouse had one). The doors between them apparently caused the son not to hear the parent - and all the rest. Like Jerry Cornelius once said, the world is filling up with too many fucking metaphores. > Bobby Beausoleil used to be a boy toy of Anton Szandor LaVey, Consider tha Beausolieil means 'Beautyful Sun' (a clearly Apollinean/Luciferian reference) in _French_. Be extremely careful, my friend - you might be on to something which could turn out to be unpleasant. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 6:53 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity Greetings. Deird'Re wrote >> Maybe there's something to this story of electrosmog..... > >Electrosmog? It's the expression environmental experts hereabouts are using to describe the dispersion of electromagnetic radiation from electrical appliances and stuff. We are immersed in a variably thick electromagnetic fog - too thick is bad, of course. The worst cases are in urban areas (obviously) and the worst offenders are power lines, cell phone and radio/television relays. But a room full of lit up monitors and computer workstations might also be pretty hot. The recent boom in cell phones sales caused a lot of companies to place relay towers in urban areas, causing an aggravation of the electrosmog effect. Living under one of those things is not so good. Exactly like living under a high-power line. Basically it's the old story of the guy that fell asleep in front of the radar aerial and was fried, only the effect is chronic instead of acute - you get all sort of bad things, like leukemia (sp?) or cancer. Kids are (supposedly) very very sensitive. To get an idea of the radio emission you are soaking up right now, you can do a simple experiment - try and operate a tape recorder close to your computer's screen. Then play back the tape. What you are listening to is the static off the screen. You don't get that through your computer sound system because the speakers are shielded - but for instance, I once had a small reading light on my dest that made the shielded speakers buzz like hell. Not good. Another experiment that is an absolute hoot is to go and walk under a power line (big ones are of course the best) holding a neon tube - and it lits up without being connected. Scary. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 9:06 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity -- Original Message ----- From: Davide Mana > > > >Electrosmog? > > It's the expression environmental experts hereabouts are using to describe > the dispersion of electromagnetic radiation from electrical appliances and > stuff. Is this an urban legend? Told to me by an old girlfriend . . US airforce base. Big microwave transmitters, big big. Every friday night - untraceable power drain on said transmitters. It turns out that the bucks are microwaving their balls before going out on the town. Me, I don't believe it. But is there a level of microwaving that would temporarily sterilise you without cooking you? The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jeff Ewing [ambjpe@gis.net] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 9:10 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: Quebec and Babeling (was Re: DG: Re: French ghouls / vampires LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > From the media, I have come to understand the following things about Canada > and Canadians: > > The national cuisine is back bacon, donuts and beer. You have failed to mention poutine, cochon anglophone. The definition of poutine I leave as an exercise in using a search engine, but trust me it's a very chtulhoid food. > Damn, I love that Babelfish. I probably sound like one of those Japanese > product descriptions translated, but I don't know any better and it even puts > in those frickin' accented letters Not the smallest crime of the French is to have bribed the Viets into using their hideous accentuation scheme. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 9:51 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity Greetings. The Glove Cleaner is better stay away from microwave ovens... ;> >Is this an urban legend? ROTFL Are you kidding? >Told to me by an old girlfriend . . [snippage while laughing wildly - what kind of girls are you seeing, old man?] >Me, I don't believe it. But is there a level of microwaving that would >temporarily sterilise you without cooking you? My personal opinion as an informed professional is: NO. Or, to put it better - who cares, considering the risk even should it work? Apart from cooking, there's a lot of long-term degenerative effects that can be induced by exces exposure to electromagnetic radiation. So, don't try this at home, kids. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Mused [mused@idirect.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 10:27 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity -----Original Message----- >My personal opinion as an informed professional is: NO. >Or, to put it better - who cares, considering the risk even should it work? >Apart from cooking, there's a lot of long-term degenerative effects that >can be induced by exces exposure to electromagnetic radiation. > >So, don't try this at home, kids. Hmmm. The Shans feed off microwaves like plants feed off sunlight I can see stories about British soldiers being "sterilized" after an "accidental" exposure to a nasty biocemical substance. Or just people sticking their heads in microwaves From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Popeyesays@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 10:38 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity In a message dated 4/16/00 9:07:54 AM Central Daylight Time, andywrobertson@clara.co.uk writes: << Me, I don't believe it. But is there a level of microwaving that would temporarily sterilise you without cooking you? >> I wouldn't want to guess at the exposure time that would be necessary and not harmful. When I was growing up, I lived in El Paso, Texas - the home of Fort Bliss Army Air Defense School (anti-aircraft missile and gunnery units still train there). The Nike and Hawk missile systems present there had large radar "golf balls" attached to the batteries. At least once a year the news carried a story of some young soldier or other who was killed by micrtowave radiation while trying to cook hot dogs or heat ration packs - they never seemed to learn and thought that microwaves were "cool".AS a birth control measure for me, I would suggest a vasectomy with out removal of any of the vas - makes it easier to re-hook the tubes later. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Chris Cooper [insectking@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 10:59 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity In response to this entire microwave debacle and whether it has uses as contraception, I have a tale. A friend of mine, who now works in Baltimore, used to have the pointless and thankless task of being an aircraft mackie, here in not-so-sunny South Africa. When he was inducted (for a long time, up until 1994 South Africa had "the draft") into the SA Airforce, he was taught all about the radar in certain planes. One warning, told by the instructors at the time, was the three step damage level of exposure to a sweep of the radar. Exposure to the first sweep was temporary sterility. Actually airmen would voluntarily expose themselves to a sweep as a method of contraception. Exposure to a second sweep would mean permanent sterility. Exposure to a third sweep would mean burns and a bright future with terminal cancer. This is all I can tell about the subject, I hope it is of use. Have fun now, children. Chris insectking@yahoo.com The first __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Chris Cooper [insectking@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 11:14 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Response to Gothedhel's Karotechia. Forget all what is in the book about Karotechia. Karotechia has no zombies, no Ascended Hitler, no immortal nazi's. It is merely a retreat for neo-Nazis who have way too much money and time. At this retreat everyone dresses in uniforms. The higher one's Credit Rating the higher ranked position he occupies. Honour roll members of Karotechia adopt the names of German military and SS officers as Catholics do when choosing a saint's name for Confirmation. At this jungle-basin refuge, all these pseudonymed Himmlers and Hess' will walk around planned the most elaborate plans of retribution. But the orders come from above, a mysterious Hitlerian figure. Until orders come the neo-Nazi's attend preacher-like rantings from an officer that waves a copy of Mein Kampf like Solomon Kane. The use of Kaotechia is for the real, villianous neo-Nazi's to siphon money from gullible, but presentable dupes, and use that to fund private militia's and terrorist activity. Another method is for everyone to talk about but never know Karotechia. It is mythic entity. Like Fate. And in this mythic place. The bodies of the Fuhrer, stolen back from Stalin's Russia, lies in wait, a twisted Hapsburg King Arthur, the king who will rise again when Germany faces his enemies again... I hope that this little rant helps. If all else fails throw in everything. Confuse the crap out of everyone. Failing that run non-Mythos based CriFi games. These FBI agents must do normal work to. Cheers for now, Chris insectking@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 11:20 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity ----- Original Message ----- From: Davide Mana > Greetings. > The Glove Cleaner is better stay away from microwave ovens... ;> ROTFL > Are you kidding? > [snippage while laughing wildly - what kind of girls are you seeing, old man?] The sort that do degrees in Telecommunications. And it's _was_ seeing, old boy. She was next-but-one before the girl I finally married. I was in love with her! (sniff). But, let's say, she had a wicked sense of humor. She'd be right at home on this list. (Out of touch now & no dreamspace to connect us, I fear). The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 11:23 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Cooper > > Exposure to the first sweep was temporary sterility. > Actually airmen would voluntarily expose themselves to > a sweep as a method of contraception. > So there, Dr Mana! Jenny, if you are listening, believe me, I never doubted you for a second. The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Steven Kaye [box_nine@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 11:27 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Making Karotechia more powerful At 12:14 AM +0200 4/16/00, gothedhel wrote: > >*They don´t have law enforcement powers -nor any legitimacy for >their operations in any country, for that matter. > >*Their intelligence capabilities are limited. How can they get the >address of that PC zombie operative who has ruined their operations? > General Gehlen and his organization were good enough for the CIA. Many Nazis fled to South America and have contacts there - others helped train Arab forces. Outside the US, they probably have more of an advantage than DG agents do. And PAPERCLIP-type scenarios might be used for leverage on US government agencies. If Pat Buchanan can be a viable presidential candidate while saying that he doesn't believe people were gassed at the concentration camps, you'd better believe the Karotechia can muster support in the US. >*Somewhat my players have an understandable trend towards shooting >any K member without asking any questions. They may spare an MJ >agent if they don´t have any evidence against him, and, even then, >they will *usually* try to use "legal" or quasi-legal procedures to >take him out of the game. This never happens with K agents. Killing >some nazi murderer who is supposed to have died thirty years ago >doesn´t qualify as a crime in most countries, you know. > That's what pawns are there for. The more dangerous middle-level and high-level Karotechia are free to pursue their schemes - feel free to rub this in the characters' faces, the next time they're so busy with blowing up a warehouse that they haven't bothered to do intel and trace back the local K cell up to its masters. And most of the Karotechia crew aren't undead - which means anonymous calls to the local law enforcement can get agents in trouble. Any law enforcement types care to comment on the procedures for federal agents involved in shootings - when they come into play and all that? I'll see if it's in the Ice Cave. >*The whole organization -unlike MJ- seems to depend on a bunch of >*mad* individuals who cannot roam freely throughout my campaign. The >other members are nobodies no better in spell casting or even >combat than your average drug-dealer. I know they are not the K of >Our Darkest hour, but... As Dave's pointed out,the Karotechia are also building up/drawing support from local hate groups, making for something potentially eerily close to the DG cell method. If you want to make a Karotechia member proficient in spells, than give him spells. Ditto for combat. Steven ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Steven Kaye box_nine@ix.netcom.com Reason - rationality - is a concentration camp, where the sets of concepts for surviving in a chaotic universe form vast, though finite, rows of huts, separated into blocks by electric fences, which the searchlights of Attention rove over, picking out now one group of huts, now another. Thoughts, like prisoners - imprisoned for their own security and safety - scurry and march and labour in a flat two-dimensional zone, forbidden to leap fences, gunned down by laser beams of madness and unreason if they try to. Ian Watson, THE EMBEDDING From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Robert Thomas [ThomasR@Cardiff.ac.uk] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 12:36 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: CoC campaigns for DG Hello All, Stephane writes: > However, I have a question since I am not very familiar with all the > CoC > adventures published. I would like to throw my players in one of those > world-wide, > 2-years-playing-and-we-still-haven't-finished-that-darn-thing-yet > campaign à la The Masks or even Beyond the Mountain of Madness. I was > wondering if any of you guys/gals had ever tried to convert one of > those (or others of that caliber) to DG The list has covered converting 1920's to DG a fair bit and I'm surprised no one else pointed it out most of this stuff is available at the ICE CAVE: http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm unfortunately I can't be more specific just have a browse around also Nocturne has the list archives from the time the list was held on their server. Anyone have the URL as I'm on a different PC from my normal on so no bookmarks handy RE: Static electricity; mark me down as noticing an increase since January almost a regular occurance now when I get out of the car. Later Rob. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Steve Allison [sallison@netcomuk.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 12:07 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity Davide wrote: > >Electrosmog? Has some agency actually come out and presented a case that long term exposure to non-ionising radiation is harmful then ? As far as I was aware the 'official' position was that no convincing evidence had been found to link exposure to ill health, this is certainly the position of the UK National Radiological Protection Board (www.nrpb.org.uk), though they do concede that more research is needed; unfortunately it is very hard to construct a study that adequately seperates exposure to EM fields from other factors. Even harder than trying to quantify any increase in cancer risk is trying to establish any mental effects of long-term exposure to strong EM fields. The brain, being basically an electro-chemical device, can be influenced by external fields (this is scary when you consider that there is really only one EM field that permeates the entire universe, in a sense everything is linked through it. IMHO this concept is one of the most staggering parts of physics) and so there is a real possibility (and a relatively well understood mechanism, unlike in the EM field/cancer controversy) that prolonged exposure could affect mental health. > Scary. Yup, but it might persuade my employer to spring for a nice LCD monitor. TTFN. Steve (off to line a hat with tinfoil) -- Stephen Allison sallison@netcomuk.co.uk From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 12:26 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity At 06:06 PM 4/16/00 +0100, you wrote: >Davide wrote: >> >Electrosmog? > > > >Has some agency actually come out and presented a case that long term >exposure to non-ionising radiation is harmful then ? Well, a friend of mine went for lunch with representatives of a leading mobile phone company, who shall remain nameless as libel has now proved itself to be viable on the net. Anyway, he jokingly mentioned radiation and brain tumors and stuff and said ``I suppose that's all bollocks, eh?'' And there were worried glances round the table as they advised him in hushed tones to swop his phone from ear to ear regularly, keep it away from him when he wasn't using it, etc etc. On a related note, one major mobile phone company in the UK decided they didn't want to erect so many masts, because of the long-running opposition from residents' groups. The solution? Make the transmitter in your phone three times as powerful... And finally in this round-up of mobile phone cancer scare stories, there is the tale of the British soccer player who was so paranoid about getting a brain tumour, he used a headset and kept his mobile in the pocket of his jogging pants.... and developed testicular cancer... Sorry I don't have the details to flesh out these bare bones, but rest assured they're not urban myths. All real, genuine stuff.. Jonathan From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 12:34 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity >She'd be right at home on this list. Would not they be all? >(Out of touch now & no dreamspace to >connect us, I fear). It's better that way. Davide Mana From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 12:32 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity Greetings. >> Exposure to the first sweep was temporary sterility. >> Actually airmen would voluntarily expose themselves to >> a sweep as a method of contraception. > >So there, Dr Mana! Please, no. I'm no doctor, and when I'll be, I'll be Doctor in Geology - not exactly the best title to pronounce diagnoses. BUT.... The above is a rule of thumb. Like 'One single glass of won't get you drunk, only maybe more sociable.' It works for most, but there's a fair percentage of subjects that show a certain sensitivity and roll on the floor gurgling obscene songs. Do not believe in excessive standardization. Also, the first sweep is probably all-right in perfectly fit individuals - but could work to complement some other unrelated factor. So, yes, maybe your manhood will not be undermined and you'd be able to fill the world with dozens of little airmen, only your life expectancy has been cut short of 25 years by some nasty black shadow in the scans somewhere. Is it worth the risk? Of course, if you are so damn sure that you do not fall in that percentage of people for whom a single sweep means sickening up and definitive death of the family jewels, as a former airman I'll be happy to operate the radar system for you ;> More seriously, I'd say the 'three sweeps system' is the kind of attitude to workplace hazard that's all right most of the time but that would be better to avoid. >Jenny, if you are listening, believe me, I never doubted you for a second. I did not mean of course to doubt the young lady's honesty. I just seriously doubted the sanity of the tactics she described. The thing does not sound so unlikely, just extremely stupid - which in retrospect fits nicely the profile of the fine samples of humanity I met in the Air Force. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 12:55 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity ----- Original Message ----- From: Davide Mana > The thing does not sound so unlikely, just extremely stupid - which in > retrospect fits nicely the profile of the fine samples of humanity I met in > the Air Force. Well, just in case it wasn't clear, that was Jenny's belief as well . . . :-) The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 1:14 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity It's no surprise that this thread, like so many others on this list, has evolved into an exploration of castration by one means another... you'll remember the fabled whore-giving-BJ-in-moving-car technique we discussed a few days ago... *sigh* Anyway, it seems to me that this little straw poll is the basis for something further. I'm gonna send off an e-mail to those terrible nice chaps at the Fortean Times. Maybe they can dig up an expert or something. And for those of you interested, I won't be mentioned airmen irradiating their nuts before a night out on the town... JT ObDG: Maybe as conspiracy theorists and DG fans we've all had implants, leading to the rise in static electricity...