From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Abel Lindburg [abel_123@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 1:48 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity There's an 'rural legend' I heard, where yokels were stealing power from high tension lines by putting coils and batteries in trucks underneath to gather electricity for free. Of course, the power company eventually caught the drain. ObDG: How does your cult get power, and how much does it take to power that neon yellow sign? Abel "Light Bright, you can see in the dark!" Lindburg From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 1:47 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Portugal gas attack I take it we've all heard of this toxic gas attack on the disco in Portugal. The attackers also cut the power. Seven dead, scores injured. Cutting the power would suggest they were a tad more advanced than the usual nutter who rolls a CS gas grenade into these places... JT From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Abel Lindburg [abel_123@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 1:49 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity Can you explain "cool" microwaves? Are they the hipsters? Abel "Not Mr. Science" Lindburg From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Janusz A. Urbanowicz [alex@bofh.torun.pl] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 12:52 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > Every friday night - untraceable power drain on said transmitters. > It turns out that the bucks are microwaving their balls before going out on > the town. > Me, I don't believe it. But is there a level of microwaving that would > temporarily sterilise you without cooking you? I'd say - no. You may fry your balls permanently&easily with this method. And I cannot imagine way to approach the emiter to affect only this part of the anotomy with microwaves. Alex -- * | Janusz A. "Alex" Urbanowicz, \ Home: --+~| | http://eris.phys.uni.torun.pl/~alex/ \ Work: `_|/ | \____ RSA: 512/0xAB425659 | | Dog needs home. Eats everything. Loves children. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 2:07 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity At 07:51 PM 4/16/00 +0200, you wrote: >I'd say - no. You may fry your balls permanently&easily with this method. >And I cannot imagine way to approach the emiter to affect only this part of >the anotomy with microwaves. > A crotchless lead suit, perhaps? I'm sure there's one in the Ann Summers catalogue... JT From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Popeyesays@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 2:11 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity In a message dated 4/16/00 1:42:36 PM Central Daylight Time, j.turner@irishnews.com writes: << It's no surprise that this thread, like so many others on this list, has evolved into an exploration of castration by one means another... you'll remember the fabled whore-giving-BJ-in-moving-car technique we discussed a few days ago... *sigh* >> Penile amputation and castration are NOT the same procedure. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 2:17 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Making Special K more powerful >> Greetings, >> In my campaign Karotechia has become a "lesser >> evil gang" (TM) due to the following factors: >> *They donīt have law enforcement If you want to listen to advice from a non-Gamer, I'd say this . .... Think about David Irving. >From what I've read up since this erupted on the list, Irving is actually making two points with some validity, or with something near to validity: bear with me here: 1) Six million deaths may be too high a figure for those who died as a direct result of Nazi action (as opposed to the storm of war and the actions of anti-semites of other nationalities). 2) The camps quite possibly _started_ as detention centres and only mutated into extermination centres when the Germans decide they were going to lose the war. Anything beyond that is rubbish: but these ideas are at least at the level of Plausible Deniability. Around them, Irving, (who quite obviously has a persection/martyrdom complex, and, I would guess, unconsciously wanted to lose that court case) has constructed a whole world of fantasy, like an oyster building a pearl. Without those shreds of plausibility, the whole thing would collapse. ---- **** ---- What does this show us? That lies are much more dangerous when mixed with a little truth. ---- **** ---- How does this apply to Special K in America today? I don't think the problem is one of power. Rather, the problem is the utter lack of _moral ambiguity_ that takes over whenever Special K come up. The Karotechia are a problem because they are cartoon Nazis. No-one but a lunatic would be attracted to them. Therefore, in the world of Delta Green, the Karotechia are essentially a _comfortable_ element. How to discomfort it? Easy. Show how good and reasonable people might get drawn in. ---- **** ---- So. For example Have your players come into contact with an NPC who is a decent man but who appears to be on the fringes of a Karotechia "front" organisation. Have him in the process of being drawn in, but potentially salvegeable if the players do it right. Let him say some bitter things about blacks, while clearly indicating that he is not (yet) hardcore Special K. If your players waste him without thinking . . . reveal that he was the survivor of something like http://cnn.com/2000/US/03/02/wilkinsburg.shooting.03/ Or the father of a child like the schoolgirl victim in this link http://cnn.com/2000/US/03/01/school.shooting.03/ ---- **** ---- There are no moral certianties more complacent and comfortable than the certianties of an "anti-Nazi". Upset them. I don't know what else will make the Karotechia even halfway plausible. The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 2:24 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity At 03:10 PM 4/16/00 EDT, you wrote: > >Penile amputation and castration are NOT the same procedure. > > The voice of experience? ;-) From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Popeyesays@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 2:36 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity In a message dated 4/16/00 2:31:10 PM Central Daylight Time, j.turner@irishnews.com writes: << The voice of experience? ;-) >> Just self-awareness of what's jettisonable and what's not. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 12:54 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity Greetings. More on electrosmog..... Tin-foil helmeted Steve writes.... >Has some agency actually come out and presented a case that long term >exposure to non-ionising radiation is harmful then ? Ah! You want a paper signed by someone? Hard to get. A bit like with tobacco and gasoline (but please, let's not get a smokers/non smokers flame war, ok?) >As far as I was aware the 'official' position was that no convincing >evidence had been found to link exposure to ill health, this is certainly >the position of the UK National Radiological Protection Board >(www.nrpb.org.uk), though they do concede that more research is needed; >unfortunately it is very hard to construct a study that adequately seperates >exposure to EM fields from other factors. Exactly. >From the way it was explained to me by a medical researcher, it's almost definitive that EM can work as an aggravating factor for previously present affections (see my previous post about 'one sweep of the radar'). The actual 'power' of the aggravation is extremely hard to gauge, as there are not two persons taht can be said to be identical on this planet, so that reaction times and sensioitivities are not a fixed figure. But I did have a few old data about some pretty significative cases - the number of cases of leukemia in kids raised in a kindergarten right under a power line, here in Italy, near Venice (or was it Verona?), for instance. If not a certainty, certainly a strong suspicion about EM as primary cause of illness exists. A lot of work on the subject is being done in Italy currently, because of the already mentioned 'jump' in EM background count caused by the cell phones craze. Sadly, a lot of monetary interests are lobbying to cause the investigations to stop because 'the theory has no truth to it' - in itself, already an admission of guilt IMHO: if it's really all right, why not let the govt. go on and proove it beyond any doubt? I guess the American Environmental Protection Agency should have some stuff on the subject. The URL should be http://www.epa.gov And this is it, I fear. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Steven Kaye [box_nine@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 3:06 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity At 6:25 PM +0100 4/16/00, Jonathan Turner wrote: >Well, a friend of mine went for lunch with representatives of a leading >mobile phone company, who shall remain nameless as libel has now proved >itself to be viable on the net. > >Anyway, he jokingly mentioned radiation and brain tumors and stuff and said >``I suppose that's all bollocks, eh?'' And there were worried glances round >the table as they advised him in hushed tones to swop his phone from ear to >ear regularly, keep it away from him when he wasn't using it, etc etc. Don't know if this is just a US thing (or maybe even an East Coast thing), but lots of people on the street now have earphones on cables connected to their cell phones, so they don't cook their brains. If the cables are well-hidden, there's a wonderful opportunity to play "Schizophrenic homeless person or yuppie?" while walking the streets of New York and watching people apparently talking to themselves. Steven ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Steven Kaye box_nine@ix.netcom.com Reason - rationality - is a concentration camp, where the sets of concepts for surviving in a chaotic universe form vast, though finite, rows of huts, separated into blocks by electric fences, which the searchlights of Attention rove over, picking out now one group of huts, now another. Thoughts, like prisoners - imprisoned for their own security and safety - scurry and march and labour in a flat two-dimensional zone, forbidden to leap fences, gunned down by laser beams of madness and unreason if they try to. Ian Watson, THE EMBEDDING From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Deirdre M. Brooks [xenya@teleport.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 3:09 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity Davide Mana wrote: > > Another experiment that is an absolute hoot is to go and walk under a power > line (big ones are of course the best) holding a neon tube - and it lits up > without being connected. > Scary. Ah, I understand. I once lived a half-mile from these giant towers of power lines You could hear them buzzing from blocks away. -- Deird'Re M. Brooks | xenya@teleport.com | cam#9309026 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG "If you loved me, you'd all kill yourselves today." -- Spider Jerusalem | http://www.teleport.com/~xenya From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 3:24 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity At 04:06 PM 4/16/00 -0400, you wrote: >At 6:25 PM +0100 4/16/00, Jonathan Turner wrote: >Don't know if this is just a US thing (or maybe even an East Coast >thing), but lots of people on the street now have earphones on cables >connected to their cell phones, so they don't cook their brains. Well, research in the UK recently has shown that hands-free headsets are actually worse for you. Apparently they treat your whole body to a tasty microwaving, not just your noggin. At least, that's the bare bones of the latest Cellphone Cancer Scare Story... JT From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 3:51 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Downed aircraft search Not sure where this one came from, but it was in my mailbox... likely MJ-12 disinfo.. Basically, a `Sea Floor Anomaly' has been discovered by an oil industry side sonar scan in Camden Bay, Beaufort Sea, Alaska. No shipwrecks in the area, but the 65-foot long object is believed to be the wreckage of a Soviet N-209 Bomber. The e-mail was of particular interest because it included detailed proposals for a two-phase salvage operation, right down to the analysis of the side sonar. It even had an equipment and personnel list for operations in winter conditions. It's a bit long (about 500 words) to post to the list, but I will if people are interested, or if you like I can send it on off-list to whoever wants it. ObDG: A `sea floor anomaly'? C'mon, do I really need to sketch this out for ya?! An oil exploration unit discovers a bizarre object on the seabed. It could be a Deep One outpost near the surface (leading to an attack on the vessel); some form of technology from the Great Race; another Shan templeship that really screwed up its landing; a Grey saucer left there so the Mi-Go could observe the reaction of the oilmen... You name it! From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andrew John Farrow [andrew.j.farrow@btinternet.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 4:00 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity : Jonathan Turner wrote: > >Don't know if this is just a US thing (or maybe even an East Coast > >thing), but lots of people on the street now have earphones on cables > >connected to their cell phones, so they don't cook their brains. > > Well, research in the UK recently has shown that hands-free headsets are > actually worse for you. Apparently they treat your whole body to a tasty > microwaving, not just your noggin. my source which johnathan beat me to posting quotes a 3 fold increase in harmfull emmissions from these * hands free saftey kits * sounds to me like they are trying to kill us - cos IMO it takes special stupidity or active malice to design a * saftey device * 3 times more dangerous than the origional threat lastly i have heard that to reduce site numbers the transitter powers are going to be increased if i was paranoid , id think they were trying tro kill us - but i know my tin foil hat is protecting me yours - andy . From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Popeyesays@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 4:13 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity In a message dated 4/16/00 4:10:13 PM Central Daylight Time, andrew.j.farrow@btinternet.com writes: << if i was paranoid , id think they were trying tro kill us - but i know my tin foil hat is protecting me yours - andy . >> Thank God you were in the habit of wearing it before when it was optional. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 4:22 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity In a message dated 4/16/00 7:07:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, andywrobertson@clara.co.uk writes: << Me, I don't believe it. But is there a level of microwaving that would temporarily sterilise you without cooking you? >> The temporary sterilization would be a result of raising the temperature of the 'nads above body temp. Sperm dies off quickly at ambient body temp, that's why the testes hang outside the body in a cooling sac covered in sweat glands. Personally, I'd hit the hot tub before I'd hang my buddies in a microwave oven, but maybe I'm just old-fashioned. Mark McFadden Of course, if you set it up wrong, you'd be broadcasting my manly magnificence to everyone in line of sight. Hmmmmm. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 4:22 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity In a message dated 4/16/00 12:24:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Popeyesays@aol.com writes: << Penile amputation and castration are NOT the same procedure. >> Yeah, like he said. Nick Adams Not the actor, the Hemingway character. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 4:22 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: LA Babylon In a message dated 4/16/00 5:22:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, doctor.dee@libero.it writes: << Curiouser and curiouser - the parent was killed while he was going to visit a son in the garret (I wonder if the guesthouse had one). The doors between them apparently caused the son not to hear the parent - and all the rest. >> Yeah, now I'm starting to wonder if any of the killers, since they had awoke before dawn, had put there boots on and taken any faces from the ancient gallery before walking down the hall. Mark McFadden And don't get me started on the connection between the Family and 'Riders On The Storm'. Because I just thought of it and I don't have anything yet. But.... the version on 'American Prayer' pretty much points the way. Here's a way to aid the digestion of Jim Morrison for those who don't have a taste for it. Think of him as a poser with a subconscious that wasn't. The kiddies who think Che posters are pictures of Re Lucertola all go for the sizzle, but there is some steak in there, too. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 4:22 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity In a message dated 4/16/00 5:22:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, doctor.dee@libero.it writes: << Deird'Re wrote >> Maybe there's something to this story of electrosmog..... > >Electrosmog? >> Electrosmog? ELECTROSMOG?!?! I hesitate at the thought of offering a Heinlein source for ideas about such things, but the electrosmog theorizing is the central problem of 'Waldo'. Broadcast power is fucking things up in ways too gradual for anyone but a crotchety Heinlein character to notice. Waldo, his patient, suffers from myasthenia gravis and has taken to living in free fall to remove the handicap. The crotchety cantankerous Heinlein doctor presents the problem to Waldo, since the result of the broadcast symptoms would be a sort of universal state of myasthenia gravis for mankind. Waldo's tactic was to create a new reality to provide a source of ambient power that wouldn't need broadcasting. He always did tend to cut right to the heart of things. Waldo, that is. Mark McFadden From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 4:22 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity In a message dated 4/16/00 9:25:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, andywrobertson@clara.co.uk writes: << Jenny, if you are listening, believe me, I never doubted you for a second. The Glove Cleaner >> If you want to get in touch with her, the number is 867-5309. Don't know the area code, though. Mark McFadden From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 4:22 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Making Special K more powerful In a message dated 4/16/00 12:21:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, andywrobertson@clara.co.uk writes: << Around them, Irving, (who quite obviously has a persection/martyrdom complex, and, I would guess, unconsciously wanted to lose that court case) has constructed a whole world of fantasy, like an oyster building a pearl. >> Study Hitler long enough and the mindset rubs off, I guess. Further, Irving seems to have embraced and internalized the basics of the Big Lie. Two plausible deniability points can easily be inflated into a blanket denial if you repeat the same speculations as established fact loudly and in a confident voice. Then use the "established facts" of the new argument as the evidence for even grander statements. Use "is" a lot. Never back down. Mark McFadden <> Laugh while you can, Monkey-boy. Primates display a disheartening capacity for self-delusion. Truly you would all be better off if you would voluntarily submit to the reign of less volatile reptilian leadership. Let room temperature heads prevail. Those wishing to get in on the ground floor should gather at the Blue Bus to take the King's Highway west. It truly is the best. Get in, and we'll do the rest. Selected females may be given the oppurtunity to ride the snake to the lake. You know, the ancient lake? Let us pray that there is never an end to our elaborate plans. No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 4:33 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity At 05:22 PM 4/16/00 EDT, you wrote: > Of course, if you set it up wrong, you'd be broadcasting my manly >magnificence to everyone in line of sight. > Hmmmmm. > *shudder* JT From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 4:29 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Downed aircraft search Greetings. >Not sure where this one came from, but it was in my mailbox... likely MJ-12 >disinfo.. > >Basically, a `Sea Floor Anomaly' has been discovered by an oil industry >side sonar scan in Camden Bay, Beaufort Sea, Alaska. No shipwrecks in the >area, but the 65-foot long object is believed to be the wreckage of a >Soviet N-209 Bomber. Curious they were using sonar for oil drilling (the main 'Oil industry' activity in Alaska) - sonar gives you the surface, while for oil you'd need seismic, to get subsurface data. and seismic prospecting, while working on the same principle of sonar, should not have the definition to pinpoint a downed plane. But maybe they were just scanning the area for some kind of oil duct or other thing... >The e-mail was of particular interest because it included detailed >proposals for a two-phase salvage operation, right down to the analysis of >the side sonar. It even had an equipment and personnel list for operations >in winter conditions. It's a bit long (about 500 words) to post to the >list, but I will if people are interested, or if you like I can send it on >off-list to whoever wants it. I for one would be interested in a copy, if nobody else is. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Popeyesays@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 4:35 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: LA Babylon In a message dated 4/16/00 4:26:47 PM Central Daylight Time, LizardRoi@aol.com writes: << Here's a way to aid the digestion of Jim Morrison for those who don't have a taste for it. Think of him as a poser with a subconscious that wasn't. The kiddies who think Che posters are pictures of Re Lucertola all go for the sizzle, but there is some steak in there, too. >> I always liked the organist's explanation of "Crystal Ship". "It's a blowjob, man." Now, was he speaking literally or figuratively - just remember the meat of the message. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 4:45 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Downed aircraft search At 11:29 PM 4/16/00 +0200, you wrote: >I for one would be interested in a copy, if nobody else is. > It's on the way. BTW, missed this first time round! D'oh! They reckon this is an aircraft which was carrying messages from Stalin to Roosevelt when it disappeared. > JT From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 4:51 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Lying ----- Original Message ----- From: > Two plausible deniability points can easily be inflated into a > blanket denial if you repeat the same speculations as established fact loudly > and in a confident voice. Then use the "established facts" of the new > argument as the evidence for even grander statements. This is our most ancient skill that we have perfected. > Primates display a disheartening capacity for self-delusion. Heartening, rather. > Truly you would all be better off if you would voluntarily submit to the > reign of less volatile reptilian leadership. The end & purpose of all intellect is to be able convincingly to say that to others. Laugh. Laugh. The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 4:57 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Lying Maybe this has been posted. Sorry! 1. Their eyes cast down when they lie. 2. They add too much. 3. Nervous laughter. 4. They feign ignorance about something you know they know. 5. They take charge of the conversation to distract/divert you. 6. They play on your friendship: asking you to just trust them, 7. You sense that something is off; any clue will do. 8. You find YOUR eyes squinting and your head angling several degrees. 9. When you ask for an explanation/clarification, there's a momentary gap while they conjure up something. 10. Explanations are given, that, while plausible, aren't good enough for YOU. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 5:15 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Lying ---- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Turner To: Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 10:57 PM Subject: DG: Lying > Maybe this has been posted. Sorry! > > 1. Their eyes cast down when they lie. > > Basic rule: if you accuse them of something: If they are lying, they'll say "You can't prove that" If they are telling the truth, they'll say "I didn't do that" If the moral pressure is medium to low and you surprise them with your question, this rule is good 60-70% of the time. The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Michael Beck [msb216@is7.nyu.edu] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 5:12 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity A sudden thought as to whether or not computers emit electromagnetic pulses. rust you've heard of TEMPEST devices. Temporal ElectroMagnetic Pulse Emenation STandard. It's a intelligence device that can read what's on your computer screen by from a van on the street by monitoring the electrical fields given off by your monitors and cables. I remember vaguely that the range was a couple of hundred meters, but don't quote me on that. In other words, that's an admission that *something* comes out of computer monitors. The area of concern is whether such an emenation could be considered "harmful". Working under the assumption that the human brain *can* be effected by such fields, I think it wouldn't be good. The human brain is a very complex and very delicately balanced machine, and any distortion from the norm can have severe side effects. I can personally testify to that: I have a neurochemical dysfunction called Asperger's syndrome, and sometimes life is not easy. ObDG: I find it hard, assuming such a phenomenom does exist, that the Cookbook doesn't mention it. MJ-12 would certainly be doing experiments in that area, and it could be the source of a lot of MKUltra mind control devices. To get weirder, the Mi-Go might design a protomatter organ that lets humans function as living TEMPEST machines, just to see what would happen. Another, even stranger possibility: the cell is assigned to man a van with TEMPEST gear on board outside of a office building suspected of being an MJ-12 cover. Unfortunately, Mi-Go control of Greys (or the Mi-Go themselves) operates on much the same electromagnetic frequency and strength as the TEMPEST devices are designed to receive. . . which could be an explanation for their lack of intuition. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 5:17 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Lying At 11:14 PM 4/16/00 +0100, you wrote: >Basic rule: if you accuse them of something: > > >If they are lying, they'll say > > "You can't prove that" > > >If they are telling the truth, they'll say > > "I didn't do that" > In most cases people I know who might be lying say: ``I'll get back to you on that.'' Damn telephone interviews! JT From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 5:18 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity At 06:12 PM 4/16/00 -0400, you wrote: > >ObDG: I find it hard, assuming such a phenomenom does exist, that the >Cookbook doesn't mention it. Yep. And nervewhips must work along some kind of similar lines... JT From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Michael Beck [msb216@is7.nyu.edu] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 5:19 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity Yet another level. If a mundane-tech TEMPEST device can pick up electronic signals, there's no reason a Majestic or Mi-Go improvement might not be able to pick up human brain signals, as a form of thought scanning. Michael Beck wrote: > A sudden thought as to whether or not computers emit electromagnetic > pulses. rust you've heard of TEMPEST devices. Temporal > ElectroMagnetic Pulse Emenation STandard. It's a intelligence device > that can read what's on your computer screen by from a van on the street > by monitoring the electrical fields given off by your monitors and > cables. I remember vaguely that the range was a couple of hundred > meters, but don't quote me on that. In other words, that's an admission > that *something* comes out of computer monitors. > > The area of concern is whether such an emenation could be considered > "harmful". Working under the assumption that the human brain *can* be > effected by such fields, I think it wouldn't be good. The human brain > is a very complex and very delicately balanced machine, and any > distortion from the norm can have severe side effects. I can personally > testify to that: I have a neurochemical dysfunction called Asperger's > syndrome, and sometimes life is not easy. > > ObDG: I find it hard, assuming such a phenomenom does exist, that the > Cookbook doesn't mention it. MJ-12 would certainly be doing experiments > in that area, and it could be the source of a lot of MKUltra mind > control devices. To get weirder, the Mi-Go might design a protomatter > organ that lets humans function as living TEMPEST machines, just to see > what would happen. Another, even stranger possibility: the cell is > assigned to man a van with TEMPEST gear on board outside of a office > building suspected of being an MJ-12 cover. Unfortunately, Mi-Go > control of Greys (or the Mi-Go themselves) operates on much the same > electromagnetic frequency and strength as the TEMPEST devices are > designed to receive. . . which could be an explanation for their lack of > intuition. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 5:23 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: UNCONVENTION I know I asked this before, but is anyone going? http://www.forteantimes.com/uncon/uncon2000/uncon2000.html JT Searching the net for cheap flights... From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Quiller [quiller@quiller.demon.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 5:25 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Lying In message <3.0.32.20000416225704.0087a850@mail.irishnews.com>, Jonathan Turner writes >Maybe this has been posted. Sorry! > >1. Their eyes cast down when they lie. > > 2. They add too much. > > 3. Nervous laughter. Another tell tale that I was trained to look for ('Interviewing for Fact Finding' - interrogation for business folk!), and have found very useful, is hand to face movements - scratching nose, pulling ear, rubbing chin etc. A psychologist drew parallels between this and young children putting their hands over their mouths when they lie. But with body language you always have to look for several indications before drawing any conclusions, and it cuts both ways; you can give off purposefully misleading signals. steeples hands - yes I *am* giving serious consideration to your stupid idea... ;-) Steve Pritchard Business Systems Analyst Hampshire, England "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" -Juvenal, Satires, VI, 347 From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Purple Kat [kringskeep@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 5:26 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: AMWAY >I was wondering if you needed to buy anything to clean that shotgun? We >have >a special cleaner right h(BOOM, BOOM, clack, punt, punt, clink, clink, >clack, BOOM BOOM) > >Just to check, everyone understands that sequence of onomatapeic (sp?) >sounds? Well, I don't know about dem dere others, but the sound of firing & reloading a double barreled shot gun is unmistakeable. Of course I prefer: (BOOOM, crackle, crackle, foop, shuf, shuf, shuf, click, click, BOOOM) Purple Kat ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 9:25 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity In a message dated 4/16/00 1:18:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, xenya@teleport.com writes: << > Another experiment that is an absolute hoot is to go and walk under a power > line (big ones are of course the best) holding a neon tube - and it lits up > without being connected. > Scary. Ah, I understand. I once lived a half-mile from these giant towers of power lines You could hear them buzzing from blocks away. >> Since power lines run on towers standing on power company property, they make kissy-face with the community by building mini parks and playgrounds under the towers where they go through residential neighborhoods. In essence, the most vulnerable targets are *lured* to the most dangerous location. I don't think any RW power company executive is so sociopathically evil as to plan this on purpose. My misanthropy actually has an envelope. However, I do not lick the flap. But somewhere in a subdivision of WEE, an executive has an epiphany and laughs until he pisses his pants. Whoops, my bad. Oh well, I don't work in that division any more, I'm with Telecomm now. That's how I use WEE. How do you mount an assault on something like that? What would the warrant be for? And would the warrant be printed on Teese paper? Mark McFadden Hey, don't waste it. People died to make that paper. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 9:25 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: FICTION: Dispelling the rumors In a message dated 4/16/00 1:29:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, john.thomas.flaybum@britnet.com writes: << Well, research boffins in the UK recently proved that hands-free headsets are actually worse for you. Apparently they treat your whole body to a toasty microwaving, not just your brainpan. At least, that's today's update on the Cellphone Cancer Scare Story... >> When will these unfounded, highly suspect and dismissably ridiculous allegations and urban legends cease? I wear a Geargoyle(tm) HandsFree Liberator headset and phone accessory in several designer colors and styles available at all the finer stores, and I have never experienced anything like you are stating in a public forum except the usual everyday little insignificant negligible atmospheric static discharges (or "shocks" as you insist on calling them) that we have *all* been experiencing ever since El Nino, which authorities in reports have clearly stated as a fact were caused by normal volcanic activity. You've all seen the news reports, why do you insist in a public forum that this is the result of some evil conspiracy? Really, it all sounds like some *Oliver Stone movie* or something *Art Bell* or other paranoid delusionals would say. You don't want to be like them, do you? I suppose you are referring to the "findings" of that "research" that was paid for by those Lesbian Mothers Against Technology or whoever it was. Well, they can hardly be considered objective, can they? And I'm sure you can imagine as well as I can what their motives are. Because we all know what they are like. Really, the owners of this forum should seriously consider making a public statement of their sincere beliefs regarding this silly flap over these urban myths. The entire thread is of course evidence in any *possible* litigation at any time in the future and must be archived without tampering. If we have any arguable reason to believe that this storage in perpetuem is not being performed, we will of course have to have the court seize all of the pertinent communications and continue to do so throughout the proceedings for however long whatever we decide we might want to do might take. Incidentally, you pay for the storage. That's the law. We can, of course, be persuaded to desist from these regrettable but inevitable actions given the proper enticement and a sincere public display of submission and fealty. And since it is so essential that the identities of the libellers be separated from the innocent bystanders, the 'lurkers', we will of course need continual access to your address lists. I'm sure the majority of the list members would agree to that. Freddy Pesci Telecommunications Consultant thats.a.moray@thenetwork.org Geargoyle Design A division of Universal Communications A proud member of Whole Earth Enterprises "Building tomorrow, with your help." ****************** DISCLAIMER ******************************************** The opinions expressed in the above message are in no way to be interpreted as the opinions or policies of Geargoyle Design. The opinions expressed in the above message are in no way to be interpreted as the opinions or policies of Universal Communications. The opinions expressed in the above message are in no way to be interpreted as the opinions or policies of Whole Earth Enterprises or any subsidiary of Whole Earth Enterprises. Symptoms include nausea, diarrhea, sleeplessness, depression and these really pounding headaches like I haven't had since college. This offer not good in New Mexico, Mississippi, Minnesotta, Massachusetts, Missouri, Michigan, Manitoba, Mu, or Mars. Tennessee Williams called it the click in Cat On A Hot Tin Roof. Paul Newman said he drinks until it clicks and everything gets alright. Information isn't like that. It doesn't need a fillup, it grows on it's own and makes connections and then click it comes to you on the freeway that you hate them, you fucking hate them and you want to hurt them and you don't want to settle for a bitch-slapping, you want to have your foot on their throats forever so you can scream at them that that's what it's like how do you like it tough shit lick my shoe and I'll think about it, any time you want. I didn't always feel like that. I love information but I really value privacy. I was born to do this. I didn't peek, I wasn't tempted. Or maybe I was. I sort of always knew it was an either/or sort of thing. Click. It was easy at first, it was a given that your mail was private. Then it wasn't. Then it belonged to the company. And then it started. The requests for access, the demands for access finally demanding that I enable them to cover their tracks. Ghost post offices with parallel deliveries to mailboxes with no passwords. I told them to put passwords on them and keep them secret in Legal or HR or something but what did I expect? HR was a consultant hoteling in the bullpen and Legal was the usual profile. Twisting my arm two weeks later to remove password protection because they got tired of forgetting the word password. But I stayed out even when the constantly rotating chair fillers had carte blanche. I refused to look, I refused to be part of the problem . I do that in traffic, too. Those constant looky-loo jams so both sides of the freeway slow to a spastic conga line? I won't look, I refuse to be part of the problem. Why would I want to look for blood anyhow? I'll never understand it. I just gun it and get out of there, looking straight ahead. They might be dead or something, give them a little privacy. But they made me look. Motherfuckers you wouldn't do the most simple housekeeping and you made me look you fuckers and you can't take shit like that back you can't hit reset and I am going to love every nanosecond I have you by your pathetic balls. And I don't want to know any more about your hearts and minds. I know so much right now I have to spit in the wastebasket throughout the day to get the taste out of mouth. So simple, so obviously necessary. Mail was slowing down because attachments were getting too big. So I put limits on the gateways. I'd trap stuff too big and send a canned warning, told them to chop it into smaller bits. Incoming, too. So they tell me that business stuff has to get through so could I sort out the frivolous stuff and send the business stuff on it's way and they really were behind me 100%. So I have to check content and I'm looking to get out of there. This rat can find more interesting mazes that offer tastier cheese. And there it was. You couldn't tell from the Subject. I had to look. It seemed to be talking business and money, I saw figures and balances but I didn't read them. So I looked at the attachment just to be sure and I'll never get that out of my head. That eye, what was that, hydrostatic effect? Over 25 megs of that stuff. You fuckers I'm going to make this a work of art. I've got the strength of ten because those were kids you fuckers. Sending him down to head the Mexican branch didn't fool me for a nanosecond. No jury in the world would convict me but it won't ever get that far. TLC but CYA, that's the Consultant's Code. That's the problem with this world, no code to live by. But I'll tell you what I've got. Everything. You gave it to me. You cheap motherfuckers you understaffed MIS and duties overlapped. So did access. You wanted instant gratification and you gave me the keys to give it to you. Even if you change platforms you won't change the passwords to the sessions that go through those firewalls, too much hassle. You told me. You made me turn off the password schedule. I'm all over you, I work for you, even if payroll knows I'm dead they forgot to tell anyone else. I'll tell you what I want when I want it. If you want to talk terms, sent a note to yourself, I'll get it eventually. I know I'm not the only one who has seen this shit. The guy who showed me this trick said this stuff never gets read, it just gets upgraded to the latest version. He said this will be sent out with every message from these parasites until the next millenium. He said that if he got fired for these stunts he'd explain it was all a joke and a satire of modern communications and he was a performance artist and gadfly and clean up on the lecture circuit. Or something. He didn't want to be part of the problem anymore. He's the one who mentioned the click. He said sometimes it's like throwing a switch. Click. You're sane. Now I'm part of the solution, I think. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of John Petherick [jpetheri@cyberbeach.net] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 9:41 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: Quebec and Babeling (was Re: DG: Re: French ghouls / vampires At 10:10 AM 4/16/00 -0400, you wrote: >LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > >> From the media, I have come to understand the following things about Canada >> and Canadians: >> >> The national cuisine is back bacon, donuts and beer. > >You have failed to mention poutine, cochon anglophone. The definition >of poutine I leave as an exercise in using a search engine, but trust me >it's a very chtulhoid food. > Poutine, eh? It's a gastonomic delight, like, eh. Yummy, gooey goodness provided that it's made with the proper ingredients. Done correctly, it squeeks when you eat it, eh. Never, ever buy poutine from an anglo or anyone but a "pur laine" francophone. Now that spring is here, the chip wagons are open and the smell of poutine wafts through French communities. I drive through Sturgeon Falls a couple times a week - it's French and prime poutine country - and there are more chip wagons than restaurants. ********************************************************************* John Petherick, CIH jpetheri@cyberbeach.net From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 9:50 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: LA Babylon In a message dated 4/16/00 2:39:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Popeyesays@aol.com writes: << I always liked the organist's explanation of "Crystal Ship". "It's a blowjob, man." Now, was he speaking literally or figuratively - just remember the meat of the message. >> Take it easy, baby. Take it as it comes. Don't move too fast if you want your love to last. You're moving much too fast. Mark McFadden Deliver me from reasons why you'd rather die. I'd rather fly. When play dies it becomes the Game. When sex dies it becomes Climax. James Douglas Morrrison From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 9:50 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: AMWAY In a message dated 4/16/00 3:29:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kringskeep@hotmail.com writes: << Of course I prefer: (BOOOM, crackle, crackle, foop, shuf, shuf, shuf, click, click, BOOOM) >> snikt. 'Nuff said? Mark McFadden Misses the adamantium, though. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of John Petherick [jpetheri@cyberbeach.net] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 10:35 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Static electricity, VDT's, Electro-magnetic fields, etc. Hmm, where to start. As Davide pointed out, we live in a soup of electromagnetic emissions. Every electric or battery operated appliance or device produces some kind of fluctuating or static electric or magnetic field. Transmission lines and generators also produce electromagnetic fields. Radios, microwaves, radars, and other devices will produce other types of radiation. Significant Sources Infrared - anything hot. Heat lamps are potentially dangerous. Microwave / radar / radio - ovens, radar, cell phones, etc. Very Low Frequency - military communication systems, video display terminals, some other devices Extremely Low Frequency - anything using or conducting AC electricity, military communications Static magnetic fields - MRI's, security devices, industrial equipment Static electric fields - industrial equipment The potential hazard depends on the frequency or wavelength of the radiation and its intensity. High intensity emissions of all forms of electromagnetic radiation from visible light to lower frequencies will produce thermal effects when they interact with matter, including the human body. Visible light and infrared doesn't penetrate very far so the heating is confined to the body's surface, but a person could still get burned. Radar, microwave, radio will penetrate deeper. Beneficially, this process is used for diathermy machines for deep heating during physiotherapy. On the negative side - it's what people described from standing too close to a military radar system, plus the potential for deep burns. Lower frequencies will also do this, but rarely reach intensities great enough to do so. Most occupational exposure limits, for civilian or military purposes, are intended to protect against these thermal effects. There is considerable debate about the potential for other health effects from exposure to these radiations. From mirowaves down, these radiations are capable of inducing an electric or magnetic field or current when they interact with matter. That is, in fact, how devices using them function. Whether these same fields are produced in living tissue is debated, as is the effect of any induced field or current. The health effect most commonly attributed to exposure to these radiations is cancer. There have been many, many epidemiological studies of this issue and it depends on who you believe. The Swedish studies and some US ones indicate an increased incidence of brain cancer and leukaemia among people working or living near power transmission lines. The studies performed in Ontario, Quebec and France do not - but they were funded by Ontario Hydro, Hydro Quebec and the French electricity utility. Induced current is what energizes the flourescent or neon bulb when held near a power line. The static electric charge that can accumulate in a large, insulated metal object (such as a tractor or similar agricultural implement) can reach hazardous levels. On a similar note, there has been concern about sparking caused by radio transmissions from cell phones (which is why some fuel companies ask that you turn them off - it's actually the internal circuitry, not the antenna, that is the hazard, though). Induced current can also present a problem for people with implanted medical devices. Apparently, the electric or magnetic field can affect the operation of the pacemaker or implanted defibrillator - either accelerating or slowing it, stopping it altogether or triggering it. Now, moving on to almost DG relevance. TEMPEST presumably operates by detecting the electromagnetic emissions of the target VDT, amplifying them and sending the result to a shielded VDT. To work, it would have to detect or assume three to five signals - the horizontal and vertical electromagnets that steer the electron beam and the electron gun (or guns, if it's a colour monitor). It is possible make an assumption about the vertical electromagnet, since all monitors operate at only a couple of cycle rates that are multiples of one another. Some guesses can be made about the horizontal electromagnet, but it would be easier to know before hand. Presumably, a surveillance team operating a TEMPEST device would have to sort through the signals from every VDT operating within its range in order to find the target. Knowing the manufacturer and model of the target VDT would help considerably, since the cycle rate of the horizontal electromagnet varies between models. Still, the typical office arrangement with everyone driving the same clone PC would present a real problem to TEMPEST. Unless, of course, you simply collected the data and used a supercomputer to sort through it later. Adding to the problem is shielded VDTs. New models emit dramatically lower levels of VLF and ELF radiation that those from just a couple years ago. Plus, military or security VDTs are frequently specially shielded to protect them from TEMPEST or interference with other devices. ObDG (Finally): Would TEMPEST pick up the telepathy of a Shan? Or the communications of other Mythos entities? ********************************************************************* John Petherick, CIH jpetheri@cyberbeach.net From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of EdDrWho@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 12:18 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: AMWAY In a message dated 4/16/00 9:55:57 PM Central Daylight Time, LizardRoi@aol.com writes: > snikt. I myself prefer the reassuring zwomth! of a lightsaber... From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 12:23 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity, VDT's, Electro-magnetic fields, etc. In a message dated 4/16/00 8:32:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jpetheri@cyberbeach.net writes: << TEMPEST presumably operates by detecting the electromagnetic emissions of the target VDT, amplifying them and sending the result to a shielded VDT. To work, it would have to detect or assume three to five signals - the horizontal and vertical electromagnets that steer the electron beam and the electron gun (or guns, if it's a colour monitor). It is possible make an assumption about the vertical electromagnet, since all monitors operate at only a couple of cycle rates that are multiples of one another. Some guesses can be made about the horizontal electromagnet, but it would be easier to know before hand. >> That pretty much sums up the issues. Only TEMPEST does not refer to the equipment for receiving signals, it is the acronym for the standards to prevent those emissions. I used to be a TEMPEST certified technician. Most of the TEMPEST equipment was a standard PC (and later portables, Macs, and peripherals) retrofitted with an internal Faraday cage and with some inductors added to lines leading outside the enclosure. Or special enclosures were made with conductive gaskets and torque settings for the dozens of fasteners. Cables were gasketted and heavily shielded and all were custom-built. Some systems avoided the cabling issues by converting signals to fiber optics for getting from CPU to monitor. It's easier to interpret signals from the keyboard cables, so they were all shielded as well. The keyboards themselves had metal bodies. Most systems used removable hard drives that could be locked up at night. TEMPESTED laser printers weighed over 75 lbs (34 kg). Networking was avoided until it was necessary. Early systems used Rube Goldberg designs like networks of sheilded RS-232 cabling connected from serial ports through shielded Telex switches that were connected via fiber optic to the mid range systems and DASD in the shielded data center. Later, TEMPEST certified thick Ethernet cabling and TEMPEST nodes and drop cables and such were designed. Tapping a new node was fun, there was a special kit with two cutting tap bits and a threaded probe to pierce the multiple shielded layers and the dielectric. Receiving the signals was pretty much off the shelf technology, preventing the broadcasting was the expensive stuff. Mark McFadden But since the certification runaround was so convoluted and insider driven, the CPUs and internal technology was always at least two steps behind and usually underpowered because of the markup on approved vendors for chips and drives and such. Incidentally, TEMPEST equipment was a prerequisite for anyone hoping to do business with the organizations that required TEMPEST. Here is the approved list of custom equipment and the companies we approve of who make it. What are you complaining about, don't you know there is a war on? From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 2:15 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Channel surfing in the Year Zero So I just posted another howl from the belly of the Beast. Then I took a break and watched The X-Files. Hmmmmm. A 'Whistleblower' themed show with the Morley Tobacco Company as the bad guys. No evil conspiracy, just a road of good intentions gone wrong and professional spin doctors cleaning up the mess. Afterwards, I caught the headlines. Everyone is waiting for the Stock Market to open. Early reports on the trends from Hong Kong and Tokyo and Seoul are not optimistic. Since there is no sex or death involved, and yet it is the top story, I predict a shitstorm of Biblical proportions. People are demanding that The Fed take some action to manipulate the economy. Especially conservatives who believe in less government, since they have some investments at stake. Tech and communications stocks appear to be the ones hit hardest. This is beginning to show the signs of an oncoming dinosaur killer, I can't wait to see what cunning predators are going to come out on top. Man, am I in tune with the zeitgeist or what? This stuff must be coming in through my fillings when I'm asleep. I work for a company that is part of the largest entertainment conglomerate in the history of life on Earth, which has just linked up in a weird chimera with the largest ISP and whatever else they do in existence. You know, the company that ate Netscape. Who have an understanding with the company that writes the most ubiquitous OS and in fact install their browser (remember the epic battles over that thing?) as part of their free package. So Monday will be interesting. I'm alright Jack. Can't say I fancy yours much. Did you know that this company hauls more email daily than anything else? Did you know that through their free instant messenger they host more conversations than any other venue? Now, they are offering to host every compliant wireless app you want to use through your pager or cell phone or Dick Tracey watch or coffeemaker or whatever else we come up with by next year. Free. Just click that you agree to the conditions which clearly state somewhere in there that you should have no expectations of privacy when using the service. Their headquarters is in Virginia. Interesting neighborhood, and I am referring to a smaller area than the state in general or it's small distance from DC. I'm not implying a direct connection, I figure they just wanted to take advantage of the heavy investment in telecomm infrastructure some of the more enigmatic neighbors require. Or something. Someone once said that the greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing everyone he didn't exist. But true artists never rest on their laurels. Also in the news, Vice President and candidate Al Gore addressed the striking janitors in Los Angeles today. He showed his solidarity with La Raza by speaking in Spanish. He exhorted them forcefully, looking very presidential if you define presidential by the standards of Mr. Lincoln at Disneyland. Some mean part of me prayed that he used Babelfish. I also hope some of those janitors are considering the advantages of dumpster diving before the stuff gets to the dumpster. You know, for later when they find that the trustees blowing smoke up their ass didn't have the common fucking decency to use menthol. You wrote basura on it baby, that means it's mine. My, what lovely terms you use for your coworkers of other ethnic\religious\national origins when discussing them with your buddies on the upper floors. But really, is that the proper language to use about a lady, especially a coworker or subordinate? Especially in light of the years that she has been passed over for promotion. You really shouldn't automatically print out all of your email Mr. Man. Oh Mr. Cochran, Ms. Allred.... come and get it! Mark McFadden Is really quite optimistic and doesn't believe any of this stuff. It's just a goof. I'm a performance artist or something. Come on, I regularly refer to myself as The Lizard King. Does this sound like a guy who expects or wants to be taken seriously? I'll probably print up my own money or something next. Just as a goof, you know? In any case, it isn't real. It's all bits and bytes and batch routines doing what we told them to do under certain conditions. Even the money it represents is just a paper promise that they are good for it. Besides, it's insured. The Fed says so and they are backed by the United States Government, sort of. It's complicated. We have nothing to fear but fear itself, and the people that like us feeling that way. Fuck them. Take a long lunch. Ignore them until they find something with some sex or death in it. They don't exist as anything but an uncollapsed wave state until we observe them. They need to learn that every week is Sweeps Week from now on. And we like happy endings, the test audience in Sherman Oaks said so. Now that's entertainment. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Abel Lindburg [abel_123@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 7:35 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Channel surfing in the Year Zero Rant on, Lizard King Abel "I don't mean to go on a rant, but..." Lindburg ObDG: As the Lizard King rants about spin doctors, we ignore the fact he's the biggest spin doctor of all, and by pointing the finger elsewhere, we do not notice his not so subtle manipulations... From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Juergen Hubert [snjuhube@pop.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 8:50 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: University (was Re:DG: David Irving's lawsuit failed) Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: > > Well I have to admit the following: About every three months the Bundeswehr [ the > German Army ] writes me a letter asking me to rejoin them after the completion of > my legal education. [ Might be a result of me really thinking to stay with them > during my service ] > > ECKHARD Well, they are still trying to get me into the Bundeswehr into the first place. They had examined me three times. After the first two physical examination they put me on hold because they apparently found some blood in my urine (which MIGHT have something to do with the fact that I had bicycled 30 km to the Kreiswehrersatzamt ,and was a bit dehydrated... ;-), but when a specialist couldn't find anything wrong with me after the third examination, they decided I was just barely fit for service - but by then I was too deep into my physics studies, so they couldn't draft me right away. Now I am hoping like hell that military drafting will be abolished in Germany before I finish my studies... ObDG: What do the various military services REALLY do with all those urine samples they collect during the physical examinations? And in Germany, if you pretend to be a "conscientous objector" (which these days is fairly easy), you can do "Zivildienst" or "civilian service" instead of serving in the Bundeswehr. It takes a few months longer than military service, but the pay is often better, and you can stay at home during your off hours. There are all kinds of jobs for "Zivildienstleistende" - many do odd-man jobs in the health service industry (delivering meals-on-wheels is especially popular, working as an orderly at retirement homes is less so), but other jobs, like being warden at a youth hostel are also possible. And many of those jobs provide plety of opportunities to meet some very weird people - and perhaps discover some Mythos activities... - Juergen Hubert