From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Duran Goodyear [dug96@hampshire.edu] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 10:06 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: papal skull stolen... http://cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/04/11/bc.spain.papalskull.ap/ hey, you never know.... ___________ agent dyson From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of MARTIN WOLFF [martin_wolff@globalcrossing.com] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 10:23 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Static electricity > > > Is this an urban legend? > > Told to me by an old girlfriend . . > > US airforce base. > > Big microwave transmitters, big big. > > Every friday night - untraceable power drain on said transmitters. > > It turns out that the bucks are microwaving their balls before going out on > the town. > > Me, I don't believe it. But is there a level of microwaving that would > temporarily sterilise you without cooking you? > When I used to work at British Aerospace, one of the things they used to do when making missile nose cones was to focus a millimetric radar (high MHz to low-ish GHz) through the cone. The aim was to detect the absorbtion of the cone caused (I assume) by air bubbles in the cone itself. Too much absorbtion by the cone and it was rejected. Anyway, this testing was done about 30 feet up in the air between two buildings instead of a far easier ground level check. When I asked why they went to all this effort, they said it was because they didn't want anyone sterilized by the radar beams. This came from regular-Joe engineers not management and was just taken as common knowledge. Either BAe knew about the radar effects or was just doing a CYA in case it was found later to be true. Martin. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Juergen Hubert [snjuhube@pop.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 11:15 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Utraviolet Davide Mana wrote: > > Ah! > > The entertainment industry is actively working to keep the Americans from > getting raw non-American vibes. > Why? Common wisdom on soc.culture.german has it that they are doing this to piss off the French... Seriously, if anyone wants to learn a thing or two about Anti-Americanism, have a look at the threads currently in that newsgroup (at least it beats all the usual spam by revisionists who ALSO seem compelled to post to it)... - Juergen Hubert From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of R. Hyrum Savage [hyrum@otherworlds.cx] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 11:42 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Ideas? I found this today and since it the creative juices flowing, I thought the list would enjoy it. http://www.ocregister.com/health/body/day1.shtml ObDG: A corporation, maybe WEE has suckered us into donating our bodies for organ transplant only to then use the left over stuff in some of their products. Or maybe all of this stuff if being used for some kind of ritual designed to further the goals of the GOO. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of R. Hyrum Savage [hyrum@otherworlds.cx] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 11:48 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Stolen Laptop Here's another one: A laptop computer containing top-secret information vanished from the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research more than a week ago, and the FBI is investigating whether it was stolen, a senior State Department official said. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26517-2000Apr16.html ObDG: DG agents steal the laptop because it contains information about MJ-12 involvement with the Grays. Or, DG steals the lap top because a new recruit to DG mistakenly left all the information from a case on the lap-top and now DG needs to clean up the mess. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of David and Jenny Blewer [blewer@btinternet.com] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 3:23 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Downed aircraft search Hi I also could find a lot of use for this... I am positively salivating over this :-) Cheers Dave http://www.btinternet.com/~blewer/genocide-lounge.htm Home of the Feng Shui FAQ and other fine stuff From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 1:02 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Channel surfing in the Year Zero In a message dated 00-04-17 08:40:19 EDT, you write: << ObDG: As the Lizard King rants about spin doctors, we ignore the fact he's the biggest spin doctor of all, and by pointing the finger elsewhere, we do not notice his not so subtle manipulations... >> Yes yes, given. However, the major difference is that you can trust *me*. Because I'm never wrong, and I'm always right. Dexter! Sinister! Chew on him until he begs for death. Toad! Start up the sausage maker. You! The dwarf in the butler suit, whatever you're called - summon the synchronized tantra team, I am in need of refreshment. You have our gratitude. Mark McFadden No hard feelings, it's business. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Stephen Joseph Ellis [sje1@st-andrews.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 2:24 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Stolen Laptop On Mon, 17 Apr 2000, R. Hyrum Savage wrote: > Here's another one: > > A laptop computer containing top-secret information vanished from the State > Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research more than a week ago, and > the FBI is investigating whether it was stolen, a senior State Department > official said. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26517-2000Apr16.html > Maybe it was stolen by MI5 in revenge for their dissappearing laptops. Allies dont always play nice together. (Just look at us and the French. We accuse the French of economic espionage, and the French claim ECHELON emails were given to British Aerospace. I become more convinced of the 'Yes Prime Minister' view that we joined the EU just to stuff the French) DG idea: Maybe all these misplaced MI5, MI6 and FBI briefcases and laptops are being collected by the glove cleaners for Mr Alzis' collection. They go so nice next to his Russian briefcase nukes:)! Steve. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 3:03 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Auctor dixit/ the Cookbook ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Beck > ObDG: I find it hard, assuming such a phenomenom does exist, that the > Cookbook doesn't mention it. MJ-12 would certainly be doing experiments > in that area, and it could be the source of a lot of MKUltra mind > control devices. To get weirder, the Mi-Go might design a protomatter > organ that lets humans function as living TEMPEST machines, just to see > what would happen. Another, even stranger possibility: the cell is > assigned to man a van with TEMPEST gear on board outside of a office > building suspected of being an MJ-12 cover. Unfortunately, Mi-Go > control of Greys (or the Mi-Go themselves) operates on much the same > electromagnetic frequency and strength as the TEMPEST devices are > designed to receive. . . which could be an explanation for their lack of > intuition. > It's usually considered unlikely ( *not* impossible) that the human brain reacts to microwaves at any level other than gross tissue heating - the reason for this being that electromagnetic waves of wavelength W can't affect anything much smaller than W in size, and neurones are all microscopic. Still, it *might* have some effect if it acted along the *length* of the axons or dendrites . . . And an artificial organ (fairly big, e.g. centimeters in length) could presumably be built to sense microwaves. ---- **** ---- More interestingly - why shouldn't the Cookbook mention it? I don't know what the Mi-Go have told MJ-12, but I doubt that the Cookbook can be a complete explanation of human physiology if it's only 3500 pages long plain English: I'd guess something more like 100 times that length would be required, even to begin to be adequate. Plus, even if SOP says the Cookbook is infallable, all that anyone, even MJ-12, *knows*, are that the bits they've checked out are correct. Plus, even if the Mi-Go honestly think they know everything about human physiology, and even if they have put everything they know in the Cookbook, they are as likely to be mistaken as any other entity!. ---- **** ---- There is this odd, subconscious, human assumption that a being with knowledge one or two orders of magnitude greater than ours must be all-knowing and all-wise and utterly infallable. That simply is not true. Look at the way ancient books were given total authority in the Middle ages. "Auctor dixit" (the Authority says . .), not "ipse dixit" (the thing itself shows . .), was the rule. With the Cookbook and their half-understood Mythos Magic, MJ-12 are moving back to that attitude - the attitude that kept science locked at the level of Aristotle for six hundred years. Maybe that is a weakness we could exploit? I don't mean that they don't start by *knowing* far more than us: but rather that in any novel situation their *instinct* will be to run back to their Authorities - to the Cookbook, and to the other half-understood scraps the Mi-Go toss them. Under certain conditions, might we find ourselves understanding more than them simply because we have kept our minds open? The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 3:27 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Static electricity, VDT's, Electro-magnetic fields, etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Petherick > > ObDG (Finally): > > Would TEMPEST pick up the telepathy of a Shan? Or the communications of > other Mythos entities? > Not unless Shan Telepathy is actually microwave - which is no less and no more likely than sound, light pulses, or odour. But if the Shan are partly in another dimension or Domain they could be using the radiations or matter of that Domain to communicate, in which case all the bets are off. Other EBEs -the same principle, but each of them different in detail. Even if we picked up Shan telepathy with TEMPEST, how would we decode it? They don't think in English. The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 3:31 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Channel surfing in the Year Zero ----- Original Message ----- From: > Since there is no sex or death involved, and yet it is the top story, I > predict a shitstorm of Biblical proportions. > This is beginning to show the signs of an oncoming dinosaur killer, I can't > wait to see what cunning predators are going to come out on top. > Glove Cleaners will stay under their stones & in their burrows and will emerge when the dust settles. How pleasant, how safe, to be a Glove Cleaner! From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Michael Beck [msb216@is7.nyu.edu] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 4:04 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Static electricity, VDT's, Electro-magnetic fields, etc. Scenario idea: someone steals TEMPEST equipment, and the Cell must find out who. The culprits are the Army of the Third Eye, which wants to use it to detect Shan victims. It might prove a good way to bring Delta Green and the Army together. Andy Robertson wrote: From: John Petherick > > ObDG (Finally): > > Would TEMPEST pick up the telepathy of a Shan? Or the communications of > other Mythos entities? > Not unless Shan Telepathy is actually microwave - which is no less and no more likely than sound, light pulses, or odour. But if the Shan are partly in another dimension or Domain they could be using the radiations or matter of that Domain to communicate, in which case all the bets are off. Other EBEs -the same principle, but each of them different in detail. Even if we picked up Shan telepathy with TEMPEST, how would we decode it? They don't think in English. The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 4:41 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Lying Greetings. Finally something really useful in Real Life (TM) ;> I do not know how this thread surfaced, but hey, it's good. >Basic rule: if you accuse them of something: > >If they are lying, they'll say > > "You can't prove that" > >If they are telling the truth, they'll say > > "I didn't do that" > >If the moral pressure is medium to low and you surprise them with your >question, this rule is good 60-70% of the time. One of these days you'll have to tell me how you gauge moral pressure. Anyway, some advanced techniques I found worth noting: . if you are out to surprise them, you might as well get them in pairs A couple of cospirators taken by surprise by a question or accusation will normally waste a few minutes with babble as they try to tune in in a common front. They'll answer your question with mumblings, and watch each other more often than they watch you. Works expecially well if you are brutal enough with your question - no subtle innuendo, no joking tone, no nothing. Ask for the truth or, even better, state it. You'll get verbal fireworks. . as soon as they tune-in, you'll notice is one of them that does most of the talking. Go for the other. Again, no holds barred and little space left to ambiguity. . if you are to double check them, double check them in public Again, leave little to be guessed - just ask straight away and check their reaction. This worksfine with individuals trying to hide facts from you - ask another, reliable person their take on the subject, and check the liar's attitude. I've got more on the subject, but first I've to catch up with today's post. Later.... Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 5:31 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Lying In a message dated 00-04-17 17:50:12 EDT, you write: << . if you are to double check them, double check them in public Again, leave little to be guessed - just ask straight away and check their reaction. This worksfine with individuals trying to hide facts from you - ask another, reliable person their take on the subject, and check the liar's attitude. >> I like to restate their fumblings back to them in the most insulting interpretation possible. This is a great way to get an interrogation dynamic going, with them constantly going over the same ground and changing their story and clarifying what they *meant* to say. I much prefer this to their plan of lying to my face and then tapdancing on to other subjects. This sounds dangerous, but there is a sort of shield of moral superiority that comes into effect when you catch them in a lie. Grizzled veterans of the corporate wars will go into a lovely state of fawning doggy submission in an attempt to get you to stop calling them a liar. But this only works if you actually use the dreaded "L" word. Hints and allegations won't do it, but clearly and distinctly call them a liar and pre-school Romper Room conditioning takes over. This doesn't work with those born with silverware in their voracious little maws, since sociopathy is the norm for some families. Me: So, in other words, despite the public assurances you *are* going to outsource entire departments against the best advice of everyone that actually has experience with the issues, and further, are asking us to help you with a disinformation campaign so you can catch the victims by surprise? Them: That's unfair. Me: I notice that you do not state that I am inaccurate. So, let's go over this spasm you are presenting in place of a plan; and you try to convince me that you are not a conniving weasel that lies with every exhalation, shall we? I really really enjoy this stuff. It can't be good for my karma. Mark McFadden was probably a Wobblie in a former life. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Michael Beck [msb216@is7.nyu.edu] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 5:32 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: NSA Handbook I just found something interesting on the web: the NSA Employee's Handbook. A rather interesting look into the mind of an intelligence organization. http://seasurf.com/~radioman/nsa.html From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andrew John Farrow [andrew.j.farrow@btinternet.com] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 8:22 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: UK ABCs this was sent to me in error instread of list . ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Turner To: Andrew John Farrow Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 11:16 PM Subject: UK ABCs > Guys: > > I was surfing the Fortean Times tonight - http://www.forteantimes.com/ - > and I had a quick look at their 1999 Alien Big Cats survey. Thought it > might be of interest, but sadly their site is all one big frame so there's > no separate URL - it's linked from the homepage. > > Anyway, what struck me as being of interest was the fact that in all these > sightings the ABC appears, slinks around or more rarely attacks or acts > aggressively, and then afterwards no trace of the animal can be found > whatsoever. > > Anyone any ideas why that is, in a DG context? Do they gate in and out from > somewhere? A weakness in the timeline which leads to them erupting through > and then disappearing? PISCES experimenting with people being exposed to > extreme terror? > > Any thoughts? > > JT > From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Philip A Posehn [paposehn@juno.com] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 9:07 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: University (was Re:DG: David Irving's lawsuit failed) Interesting. If one tried for a conciencious Objector classification here during 'Nam (and presumably still today) one had the choice between serving as a medic in the front lines or having one's deferrment turned down for lack of sincerity. Not too many COs survived the alternative as I recall. Phil Posehn On Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:49:33 +0200 Juergen Hubert writes: Now I am hoping like hell that military > drafting > will be abolished in Germany before I finish my studies... > > ObDG: What do the various military services REALLY do with all those > urine samples they collect during the physical examinations? > > And in Germany, if you pretend to be a "conscientous objector" > (which > these days is fairly easy), you can do "Zivildienst" or "civilian > service" instead of serving in the Bundeswehr. It takes a few months > longer than military service, but the pay is often better, and you > can > stay at home during your off hours. There are all kinds of jobs for > "Zivildienstleistende" - many do odd-man jobs in the health service > industry (delivering meals-on-wheels is especially popular, working > as > an orderly at retirement homes is less so), but other jobs, like > being > warden at a youth hostel are also possible. And many of those jobs > provide plety of opportunities to meet some very weird people - and > perhaps discover some Mythos activities... > > - Juergen Hubert > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of USFORREC1@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 9:34 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Making Karotechia more powerful Well, another patented long rant from me. As always, view what is said below as my beliefs on the subject and use/abuse as you will. Everyone's take and mileage will vary on this. ***WARNING- SOME GENERAL SPOILERS BELOW*** <<>> This is a very disagreeable point. Neo-Nazis/neo-Fascists have established themselves as a legitimate (or semi-legitimate) force in more countries than you might believe. In the U.S. there are whole areas where due to the influence of these groups, they run whole counties, all through legal elections. They control (or directly are) the mayor, sheriff (or other law enforcement), religious leaders, town council members and so on. Also, they have more sympathizers around than might be imagined. For example, up until just a few years ago, the BATF held an annual retreat that took on, to say the least, racist overtones. All told, it is estimated that these groups amount to 5 million dedicated followers in the US. In South America, they are so established that many German "colonies" are essentially separate countries unto themselves. With the fact that many governments in the area are/were openly sympathetic to the escaped Nazis and they've got quite a network tying them to legitimate governments, there. Nazis were involved in Argentina's "Dirty War," the overthrow of Allende in Chile, overthrowing the government of Bolivia (under the command of former Gestapo member Klaus Barbie and in essence establishing La Corporacion), working with the Contras, Panama's Noriega and El Salvador's death squads to name just a few of the documented ties they have. In Europe, they are very active under a number of organizations (usually ones that have steered their hardcore rhetoric away from "Nazism" for the public and instead focus on nationalism and immigration issues). Just to give you the tip of the iceberg, the following are just some of the neo-Nazi/ neo-fascist political organizations which add power and legitimacy to Karotechia operations (many of them are already represented in their respective governments): In Germany: Deutsche Volksunion In Italy: Movimento Sociale Italiano In Austria: Freedom Party In France: Front National In Belgium: Vlaams Blok In Hungary: Life and Justice Party In Romania: Greater Romania Party In Turkey: Nationalist Action Party (the political "sponsors" of the Grey Wolves) In the Balkans: Croatian strongman Truddman (supporter of the Nazi organization Ustase) and his followers In Russia: Vladimir Zhirinovsky and his followers, the Russian National Union, the "Red-Browns" (neo-Nazi/neo- Fascist communists with nationalistic goals, anti-Semitism and anti-foreign influence beliefs) And that is just a sampling. Factor in the efforts of the two most important Nazis in the post-war era, Otto Skorzeny and Otto Ernst Remer, their powerful ally, Gehlen, and their followers. Between these men, they courted both the East and West to strengthen their own and Germany's position (they called it the See-Saw Strategy) and built significant ties to Third World nations to play off against the Superpowers (including successful efforts in China, Egypt, Syria, Algeria, India and Indonesia to name a few. Racial policies could be put on hold or modified to suit their needs). The movement, viewed as a whole, has millions of members, considerable resources and encompasses similar ideological groups ranging from underground terrorist groups and Skinhead gangs up to full fledged political parties. <<<*Their intelligence capabilities are limited. How can they get the address of that PC zombie operative who has ruined their operations?>>> The neo-Nazis have long been favorites of intelligence services in both the East and West. There is no reason to believe that these connections are not still being used. There are also sympathizers in those organizations and in the military and law enforcement that could pass on intelligence. Many members of these groups are also wealthy, influential people, allowing them to simply buy or bribe their way to access on intelligence matters. The Karotechia would simply get this information through its groups and fronts. <<<*Somewhat my players have an understandable trend towards shooting any K member without asking any questions. They may spare an MJ agent if they donīt have any evidence against him, and, even then, they will *usually* try to use "legal" or quasi-legal procedures to take him out of the game. This never happens with K agents. Killing some nazi murderer who is supposed to have died thirty years ago doesnīt qualify as a crime in most countries, you know. >>> A good solution to this is first of all, if they kill everybody then it is kind of hard to get intelligence themselves, turn agents for their benefit, have a prison contact that they could deal with later (he might be the key to future adventures/intelligence/etc) and so on. They kill everybody and the trail to the top stops cold. Also, if they are in the habit of killing Karotechia operatives, let the incident be caught on videotape. Suddenly they have another Randy Weaver or Waco martyr(s). Allow this to visibly cause even more distrust of the government and swell the ranks of these fringe groups even more. This can also lead to calls for congressional inquiries and so on. A few DG agents may even lose their jobs over the matter and government oversight becomes greater. DG's job just got harder and the Karotechia's easier. <<<*The whole organization -unlike MJ- seems to depend on a bunch of *mad* individuals who cannot roam freely throughout my campaign. The other members are nobodies no better in spell casting or even combat than your average drug-dealer. I know they are not the K of Our Darkest hour, but... I guess I need some ideas to make these guys more powerful; of course they are only "defeatable" villains in my campaign, but I want my players to sweat for a while. Any suggestions are, as always, welcome.>>> As I've said before, don't let their madness or racial beliefs confuse you into thinking they are incapable of intelligent moves. The Karotechia is a lot more powerful and diverse than many think. When they took over ODESSA/Die Spinne they inherited intelligence contacts, over 750 business fronts, (probably) millions in Nazi gold and loot, a network that extends from Asia and the Middle East to the Americas, and literally millions of sympathizers (many in positions of power). They are more powerful and far subtler than they are given credit for. They are organized and capable of a variety of undertakings. I personally see each of the resurrected Nazis as a key play in a drama that relates to their specialty. Some work with terrorist cells while others are involved in banking/economic moves, subverting political processes or twisting religions. You wouldn't just run up against an undead Neo-Nazi zombie squad. These were the elite of the Third Reich and would be at the center of a small web of Karotechia activities doing what they do best. Also, I question the defeatable spin that most (including the DG book) put on the Karotechia. First of all, they do enjoy the direct sponsorship of Nyarlathotep (as Der Fuhrer). That alone is nothing to sneeze at (look at the Fate, for example). The powers of the Triumvirate, the Bischofe and the Lebenstentoten are quite impressive, even if they aren't of the Carl Stanford/Stephen Alzis caliber. With the occult items and knowledge they are drawing to themselves, there is no reason that they cannot grow in power as the campaign progresses. Even if the Triumvirate is killed, what has DG really accomplished? The cure may have been worse in some ways than the disease, as DG abuses the powers it has to destroy the group, opening potentially several cans of worms (if they trampled the Constitution to get the Karotechia, those same abuses could easily come back to haunt them as one example). Then, if the Triumvirate falls, you have the groups it controls or networks with. They didn't go away and now they are turned loose. Without the controls that the Karotechia imposed due to its mission, these groups could easily begin more overt moves on their own. Each group is essentially a cell of the Karotechia and contingency plans would exist for the possible fall of the group. Upon the destruction of the Triumvirate, a mysterious e-mail may begin turning up in the mailboxes of the neo-Nazi leadership, calling them to arms and unleashing a new Werewolf organization across Europe and the Americas. Finally, with two of the three Triumvirate members not really being interested in a 4th Reich, they actually serve as a bit of a stopper on the goals of the group. Kill them off and a power vacuum erupts in the group. The new leader(s) might be considerably more devoted to the cause and Der Fuhrer, making the group more dangerous than it is now. How I see the Karotechia is not as a defeatable enemy but as an important cog in Nyarlathotep's EndTime's machine. They are one of the leading forces pushing rabid nationalism, insular xenophobia, and chaos. Tied in with the Fate, WEE, NWI, Tiger Transit, MJ-12 (though they are not a direct cult of Nyarly) and similar groups, they are laying their respective groundwork for the fall of man. We are starting to see the tying together of these groups, through connections established in the books and reasonable deductions from the RW, until they will be really one super cult ruled by Nyarly and mankind's doom is assured. Well, enough for now, Dave K From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Til Eulenspiegel [duggerj@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 11:19 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Static electricity, VDT's, Electro-magnetic fields, etc. Monday, 17 April 2000 [snip] > > Now, moving on to almost DG relevance. > > TEMPEST presumably operates by detecting the electromagnetic emissions of > the target VDT, amplifying them and sending the result to a shielded VDT. > To work, it would have to detect or assume three to five signals - the > horizontal and vertical electromagnets that steer the electron beam and the > electron gun (or guns, if it's a colour monitor). It is possible make an > assumption about the vertical electromagnet, since all monitors operate at > only a couple of cycle rates that are multiples of one another. Some > guesses can be made about the horizontal electromagnet, but it would be > easier to know before hand. TEMPEST reportedly derives a great deal of information about a display from the sharp contrast between a letter and its background. Current versions of PGP offer "anti-TEMPEST" fonts. These seem simply heavily anti-aliased and fuzzy. What classified material I read about TEMPEST while serving in America's military wasn't very informative. Does anyone know whether LCD displays are immune to TEMPEST? Do you need anything more exotic than a Faraday cage to block these? [snip] The first edition of _Information Warfare_ related an anecdote about using a building's metal pipes as an antenna array for picking up such signals. [snip] > ObDG (Finally): > > Would TEMPEST pick up the telepathy of a Shan? Or the communications of > other Mythos entities? [snip] (a) I doubt it. (b) Ditto. (c) Check ICE CAVE or http://www.rpg.net for my review of "Electric UFOs." This text describes almost all paranormal phenomena in the context of EM pollution. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Daniel Harms [dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 11:39 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Public Works help (Slightly OT) All, I thought I'd toss out this question, to make use of the list's expertise. I'm putting together a CoC adventure for our local mini-con, in which all of the characters work in the city's water department. Perhaps someone could fill in a few details? * How does a person get such a job? (I'm assuming patronage of some kind) * What sort of gear would a person in this job carry (assuming they had to check the storm drains and such)? * How would they communicate with the outside world while underground, if at all? Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu The Internet: Learn what you know. Share what you don't. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 11:52 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: The Good Ol' Boys Roundup In a message dated 4/17/00 7:37:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, USFORREC1@aol.com writes: << For example, up until just a few years ago, the BATF held an annual retreat that took on, to say the least, racist overtones. >> Ah yes, the Good Ol' Boys Roundup. Yessirree bob, that is a charming tradition. There is a writeup on it at http://www.parascope.com/articles/1196/gobindex.htm Alleged activities included: --Signs were posted at the Good O' Boys Roundup that read, "Nigger check point," "Any niggers in that car?" and "17 cents/lb." Near these signs was a drawing of an African American with a circle around it and a red slash across the circle. --In 1990 and 1992, unidentified persons checked cars to determine if any blacks were in any of the vehicles driving through the campground. "The phrase used by the persons engaged in the activity," according to the Inspector General's report, "was 'checking cars for niggers.'" --In 1990 police officers from Florence and Boone County, Kentucky, competing for the coveted title of "Redneck of the Year," participated in a skit "in which a dog was traded for a man in blackface who then pretended to perform oral sex on a person in mock Ku Klux Klan garments." --In 1992, a Fort Lauderdale, Florida, police officer, also competing for Redneck of the Year, performed a skit entitled "Birth of the Black Nation" in which "he claimed to have found a watermelon which had fallen off the back of a passing truck, struck it until it broke open, and then pulled out a doll he had painted black. He described the doll as a seed and told the audience that one must 'kill the seed when it is young,' and proceeded to beat the doll." --In 1995, one current and three retired Fort Lauderdale police officers confronted a white BATF agent who brought two black law enforcement officers to the Roundup. One of the Fort Lauderdale officers, chastising the BATF agent for his faux pas, stated, "ATF fucks up everything they touch.... Now you are bringing niggers to the Roundup." --Several racist T-shirts were offered for sale at the Roundup. In 1991, officers from the Metropolitan Police Department in Washington, D.C. brought shirts that depicted three white police officers holding two black suspects face down on the hood of a police car above a caption that read, "Boyz on the Hood." In 1995, two Fort Lauderdale police officers sold T-shirts with a crude drawing of the figure from the game "Hangman," hanging above the initials "O" and "J". --During several Roundups, David Allen Coe tapes were played at various campsites, featuring the song "My Wife Ran Off With a Nigger." Past that, the Department of Justice report offered no substantiation for a number of other disturbing allegations. "Two local women provided affidavits to the Senate Judiciary Committee," the report states, "alleging, among other things, that a woman had been gang-raped at a Roundup, a 'drug enforcement officer' had offered one of them drugs during a Roundup, and a goat had been purchased for bestiality purposes." The report did not substantiate these claims. Now here's where it gets veeeerrrry interesting. The videotape that recorded the "Nigger Checkpoint" sign and other golden moments were from an investigation of law enforcement by a militia group, the Gadsden Minutemen. "The militia investigation of the Good O' Boys Roundup was part of Operation Achilles Heel, a loosely-organized attempt to expose various abuses of power within federal police agencies. The Inspector General's report stated that the Gadsden Minutemen were seeking to "discredit" the BATF and the FBI. But Kemp and Randall's intention was to expose corruption, and if that exposure "discredited" law enforcement agencies, it is not logical to blame the messenger for the message." ObDG: these are your co-workers. Mark McFadden Watching the monkeys. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Daniel Harms [dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 12:41 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Trepanning The latest in the saga... http://www.apbnews.com/newscenter/breakingnews/2000/04/14/holehead0414_01.html Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu The Internet: Learn what you know. Share what you don't. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 12:52 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The noble skill of Lying ----- Original Message ----- From: Davide Mana > Finally something really useful in Real Life (TM) ;> > One of these days you'll have to tell me how you gauge moral pressure. The measure is, what have they got to lose? If it's a large amount they will be on guard. You have to fight this with the very important "surprise factor". ----- Original Message ----- From: > Them: That's unfair. > Me: I notice that you do not state that I am inaccurate. And much more good stuff & instructive stuff from you both & from others . . . ---- **** ---- OK, guys, what about the reverse? How do you effectively _tell a lie_? Me, I never found more effective techniques than: 1) Shut up. 2) If you aren't allowed to shut up, _don't_ mention anything relevant. 3) If they drag you back on subject, mix in 4 parts truth with every 1 part lie you have to utter. 4) If it gets heavy, _really_ shut up. Silence is golden The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Rob Shankly [ludo@bigpond.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 3:39 AM To: The Delta Green List Subject: DG: Reasonably Adequate Privacy Another form of signal protection: http://ruddick.com/tim/RAP/rap.html -- Rob Shankly ludo@bigpond.com.au From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 4:24 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The noble skill of Lying In a message dated 4/17/00 10:52:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, andywrobertson@clara.co.uk writes: << How do you effectively _tell a lie_? Me, I never found more effective techniques than: 1) Shut up. 2) If you aren't allowed to shut up, _don't_ mention anything relevant. 3) If they drag you back on subject, mix in 4 parts truth with every 1 part lie you have to utter. 4) If it gets heavy, _really_ shut up. Silence is golden >> That's actually a very pertinent question for anyone planning to play an OSS-trained character. Because the final exam at Camp X was a simulation that would make Outlook proud. The scenario was: A locked room that was supposed to be the office of a Nazi officer. Generic clothes and no papers or ID of any kind. Picks and slim jims and such. The task was to demonstrate the creepy-crawly skills and B&E techniques taught at the school to give the desk a once over, return, and report on anything significant. So it was also an intel gathering test. However, the real test began when the lights came on and the SS soldiers took the student to interrogation. Even though the student knew it was a test, they were expected to maintain character without being told. The interrogation used no force in excess of the usual bright lights and about what you'd see on Homicide or NYPD Blue. However, instead of looking to make a case, the interrogators took the stance of 'convince us not to kill you now'. Now remember, the student wasn't disguised as a janitor or wearing a uniform, had no ID or prepared story, the lights were off when the soldiers got there and the student had a flashlight and lockpicks on his person. And a mini camera. But here's the best part: The student was taking a test at the school that required that he act as if he was really in the pretend situation and come up with a convincing reason for being in a Nazi officer's office in those circumstances without acknowledging that this was a ridiculous situation that would never happen in the field so that he could pass the test at the school. That's the situation. Go. What I'd Do: First off, don't even try to play innocent. That's always a bad tactic anyway. If you were innocent, what are you doing there? The lockpicks and camera are just details, the fact is you were caught. So I tell them that I was searching the guys desk for files to take pictures of; what do you think I was doing? You got me; where's my lawyer? I'm not saying shit until I see a lawyer. Of course, that won't go over well with Nazis (I hate those guys), and they will soon convince me that this is very serious and there won't be any lawyers and yada yada. I'll squirm and get evasive, but really, who am I trying to kid? The guy told me to take pictures of any interesting files, anything that looked like it was important or was locked away. No, he wasn't German, do I sound German? Come on guys, you got me. I surrender. It's a fair cop. And so on. Now the subject of the interrogation is 'the guy'. Maybe they will want to keep me around to learn more about 'the guy'. Maybe they will want to use me to set 'the guy' up. Good, anything to get out of this room and out among the oppurtunities. Maybe they'll get disgusted and slap me in prison for the duration. Good, I'll be in gen pop, in the same situation as everyone else. See, I'm not a spy, do I pass the test? Doh! Mark McFadden Well, of course I'm circumcised. Isn't everyone? They do it at the hospital. Don't they do that here? I thought with those helmets and all... oh, you never noticed that? It's all very Freudian and phallic. Freud? Oh, Jewish fella, you wouldn't know him. So you guys all wear those high tight collars and those, uh, helmets, do you? >snicker< What? Nothing. Just admiring the way your buddy there stands at attention.>snicker< From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 5:27 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Lying Guys: > > I was surfing the Fortean Times tonight - http://www.forteantimes.com/ - > and I had a quick look at their 1999 Alien Big Cats survey. Thought it > might be of interest, but sadly their site is all one big frame so there's > no separate URL - it's linked from the homepage. > > Anyway, what struck me as being of interest was the fact that in all these > sightings the ABC appears, slinks around or more rarely attacks or acts > aggressively, and then afterwards no trace of the animal can be found > whatsoever. > > Anyone any ideas why that is, in a DG context? Do they gate in and out from > somewhere? A weakness in the timeline which leads to them erupting through > and then disappearing? PISCES experimenting with people being exposed to > extreme terror? > > Any thoughts? > > JT From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Nick Brownlow [stabernide@netscape.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 6:05 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: [Re: DG: Static electricity] >Has some agency actually come out and presented a case that long term >exposure to non-ionising radiation is harmful then ? I happen to know that several large Insurance companies have set up 'incident rooms' in anticipation of a deluge of claims over the next few years. The insider who filled me in on all this claims they are expecting mobile phones to be the new tobacco, and pointed to the unusually high numbers of patients suffering from hip cancer there appears to be knocking around these days(haven't confirmed this though). ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 7:00 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Area 51 Satellite imagry of Area 51, taken by a Russian bird in 1996... http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_717000/717459.stm JT From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of MARTIN WOLFF [martin_wolff@globalcrossing.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 7:42 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Static electricity, VDT's, Electro-magnetic fields, etc. > Does anyone know > whether LCD displays are immune to TEMPEST? Do you need anything more exotic > than a Faraday cage to block these? > [snip] Tempest works on a CRT because of two things. The first is the high voltage and high frequency signals that are fed into the one or three cathodes (3 for colour). This makes the CRT like a radio. The second reason is that as there is a single signal for the entire screen (the 'cathode rays' scan first across then down a line and across again), it is easy for a tempest detector to sync on the other signal. A LCD uses lower (much lower) voltages but more importantly it works on a X-Y grid method to darken individual pixels. Unlike a CRT, LCDs have as many connections as the total number of lines plus the total number of rows so a VGA screen should have 640+480 connectors. What this means is that the signals coming from a LCD are very confused and very weak. That isn't to say that they cannot be spyed on remotely. Perhaps it is possible to detect the signal before it goes to the LCD driver circultry. Martin. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of jpetheri@cyberbeach.net Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 8:09 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Public Works help (Slightly OT) On Monday, April 17, 2000 at 11:39:24 PM, Agent Daniel Harms wrote: > All, > > I thought I'd toss out this question, to make use of the list's expertise. > I'm > putting together a CoC adventure for our local mini-con, in which all > of the characters work in the city's water department. Perhaps someone > could fill in a few details? > > * How does a person get such a job? (I'm assuming patronage of some > kind) Depends on the location. Some places would have a civil service competition, others would be the typical application & interview process. Others would require a new hire to be the child / nephew / etc. of an employee. Technical or skilled trades people would require prior training and education or an on-the-job apprenticeship. Plumbers and welders would probably need their trade qualifications. Plant operators would require some kind of on-the-job training and certification. Engineers would require professional certification. > * What sort of gear would a person in this job carry (assuming they > had to check the storm drains and such)? >From head to toe: hard hat (maybe with cap lamp), hearing protection, safety eyeglasses or goggles, rain slickers or similar protection, boots with steel toe caps and shanks (maybe with metatarsal protection, too). The boots would be either typical height or hip waders. Strange as it may seem, they are probably wearing a parachute harness-style fall protection (fall protection is required during entry into the manholes or sewer). This may double as an equipment or tool belt. They should / would also carry some kind of gas monitor to measure oxygen concentration and detect toxic gases such as hydrogen sulphide. They might have individual personal monitors or one for the group. A respirator is also possible, but many cities are reluctant to issue them for routine use (to remove the temptation to enter an unsafe area). On the other hand, if the sewers are fairly dry but plagued with rodents, they might use dust masks. They might carry escape respirators. A first aid kit containing waterproof supplies should / would also be carried. They would also carry the tools required for the job. This could be anything from surveying equipment (lasers, etc.) to a portable welding rig. Big Maglite flashlights, or the equivalent. Maybe even portable battery operated lights. And their lunch, maybe. If they're working in or near sanitary sewers, they would probably have been vaccinated for Hepatitis and other common infectious diseases. More likely, they would be paranoid about running into a floating hypodermic syringe. > * How would they communicate with the outside world while > underground, if at all? > First, very few North American cities have tunnel systems large enough to allow human entry and progress. It depends on the location - if they have an underground distribution system for steam / water / telecommunications, they are more likely to have large tunnels but it may only be manholes. Commmunications are difficult. They may use radios but the range is limited unless the city has installed a leaky feeder system (and I don't think many have). If they have large diameter tunnels, the telephone or former telegraph cables probably run through the tunnels. They may have telephones located at intervals or systems that allow a crew to patch into the phone lines. > Yrs., > > > Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu > The Internet: Learn what you know. Share what you don't. > > > ======================================== John Petherick, CIH e-mail: jpetheri@cyberbeach.net ----------------------------------------------- Did you know ? Cyber Beach has extended its monthly plan to UNLIMITED surfing per month !! Happy Surfing ! http://www.cyberbeach.net ----------------------------------------------- Brought to you by Cyber Beach's BottleMail ! http://www.cyberbeach.net From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of jpetheri@cyberbeach.net Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 8:39 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Static electricity, VDT's, Electro-magnetic fields, etc. On Monday, April 17, 2000 at 10:18:40 PM, Til Eulenspiegel wrote: > TEMPEST reportedly derives a great deal of information about a display > from the sharp contrast between a letter and its background. Current > versions of PGP offer "anti-TEMPEST" fonts. These seem simply heavily > anti-aliased and fuzzy. More likely is that the receiving unit utilizes some kind of "edge-detection" or optical character recognition algorithm to determine where a character ends or what it is. Using a "fuzzy" font or a poor contrast background would increase the difficulty of this. What classified material I read about TEMPEST while > serving in America's military wasn't very informative. Does anyone know > whether LCD displays are immune to TEMPEST? Do you need anything more exotic > than a Faraday cage to block these? LCD displays produce far lower intensity emissions and at different frequencies than a typical CRT. A more sensitive and different device might be able to read information from them. > [snip] > The first edition of _Information Warfare_ related an anecdote about > using a building's metal pipes as an antenna array for picking up such > signals. The difficulty would be in the data processing to isolate the emissions of interest, since the plumbing system would pick up the signals from every CRT in the building. Not to mention that most buildings use the plumbing system as ground, so there's always a trickle of AC running through the pipes. > (c) Check ICE CAVE or http://www.rpg.net for my review of "Electric > UFOs." This text describes almost all paranormal phenomena in the context of > EM pollution. > > Yes, there's a prof next door at Laurentian University who theorizes the same thing. Except he has some objective evidence to support it. http://www.laurentian.ca/www/neurosci/tectonicedit.htm ======================================== John Petherick, CIH e-mail: jpetheri@cyberbeach.net ----------------------------------------------- Did you know ? Cyber Beach has extended its monthly plan to UNLIMITED surfing per month !! Happy Surfing ! http://www.cyberbeach.net ----------------------------------------------- Brought to you by Cyber Beach's BottleMail ! http://www.cyberbeach.net From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 9:38 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The noble skill of Lying Greetings. >OK, guys, what about the reverse? > >How do you effectively _tell a lie_? > >Me, I never found more effective techniques than: > >1) Shut up. >2) If you aren't allowed to shut up, _don't_ mention anything relevant. >3) If they drag you back on subject, mix in 4 parts truth with every 1 >part lie you have to utter. >4) If it gets heavy, _really_ shut up. > >Silence is golden I generally agree with the above. I think I had the best schooling in lying thanks to roleplaying games (always as a keeper) and my work as a switchboard operator. The basic rule back in the 53rd Wing Switch was 'do not provide excess explanations'. You have been ordered to deny the presence of the Colonel on the premises? Good - Sorry, sir, the colonel is not in. No, sir, I'm sorry, I do not know when he'll be back. To expand a bit, adding varuious observations from various sources.... . keep as close as possible to the truth - you will have to remember less fabrications (ergo, less posibility of falling into contradiction with time) and a lot of the facts will show up as you said in case of check. . add a liberal dose of personal feelings and ramblings. A lot of people are not at ease when confronted with personal matters, and will happily move on to other subjects. . never go against type describing your actions - which is pretty hard, as you have to conform with the image _they_ have of you, and most people worth lying to will have the wrong image to start with. . lies should be plausible, but keep in mind that life is not . should you notice that the person facing you is taking something for granted, let him go on like that As for silence being golden - it has to be a relaxed, honest-looking silence. Do not just shut up and stand there. As a caveat, notice that lying can be addictive. It probably comes with the power feeling you get by utterly duping an unsuspecting fellow human. That's a good way - incidentally - to spot liars: they'll lie on irrelevant things, just for kicks. Checking them out on more substantial matters might be a good idea. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 8:59 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Making Karotechia more powerful Greetings. Good post from Dave K, as usual. Just a minor correction.... > In Italy: Movimento Sociale Italiano The Movimento Sociale Italiano (MSI) died for all practical purposes in '92 or thereabouts. The party actually split in the 'moderate' (ROTFL) Alleanza Nazionale and the downright sinister Fronte Nazionale. Sad as it may be, Alleanza Nazionale is probably the most popular parties with the 20/35 years old crowd - the lure of an ordered, well organized and efficient state just like they promise is strong for the children of the 80s. Mentioning anything that happened between 1923 and 1945 in front of these people is a certified conversation killer. The Fronte Nazionale is riding the thin line between Freedom of Expression and Political Creed (which is a right under our constitutuion) and Apology of Fascism (which is a _crime_ under our constitution). They are pretty proud of their open pro-Nazi leanings and have a strong pull with a certain sector of the suburban youth. Politically - at least so far - they are close to nonexistent. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 10:25 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Killing Mother Greetings. Curious case from Southern Italy. You put the 'ObDG' tag where you see fit. Raffaele Miccione, age 42, killed his mother Concetta Spataro two nights ago, with a total of 13 knife wounds, most aimed at the troath. He did it 'To escape the Devil'. Apparently the Devil was tormenting poor Miccione who, after a failed attempt at cutting his own wrists, 'realized the Devil would accept someone else as a sacrifice'. He therefore grabbed a large knife in one hand and a cross in the other and 'babbling incoherently' and 'chanting weird phrases' assaulted the woman, killing her. He then greeted the Carabinieri summoned by the neighbours (it was not a quiet matter, as you can imagine) and after a pityful lie ('My mother can't see you, she's watching the television') he admitted his crime and was arrested. No big deal? Well, in Catania, it's the third case in 20 days. The first was Filippo Adamo, 19, killing with a gunshot in the head hiis mother Rosa Montalto (38). This was march the 27th. Then, on the 11th of april, Ettore calė (34), strangled his mother, Santa Longo, aged 64. The Catania archbishop is baffled (wow!). He released a baffling interview, in which he said that the youth is losing the ability to tell good from evil. He blames TV advertisement (?) and mercenary mindsets. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm