From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Frank Frey (SOK) [ffreyiii@luna.cas.usf.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 11:47 AM To: Davide Mana Cc: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Killing Mother Davide, Down here in Tampa, Florida we have the Valessa Robinson case. Valessa is accused of killing her mother, Vicki, because mom wouldn't let her see some creepy ass druggy named of Adam "Rattlesnake" Davis. Valessa was only about 14 at the time and Davis was something like 18. BTW, Davis is currently on Death Row in Florida for the killing. Although the trial isn't over yet, the prosecution rested its case yesterday. It does not look good for Valessa because according to the testimony so far it appears as if Valessa was the one who killed her mom and had apparently been planning on doing it for quite a while. If convicted, she will probably get life in prison without parole. Frank Frey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The only difference between myself and a madman is that I am not mad!" Salvador Dali ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Paul Radford [paulradford@innotts.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 12:57 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Area 51 Another news story about Groom Dry Lake: http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=932&ei=1706909&ern=y Cheers, Paul ___________________________________________________ "Oh my god! They've summoned Cthulhu! You bastards! Web Pages: http://www.innotts.co.uk/~paulradford/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Diego Garcia [dgarcia@ta.telecom.com.ar] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 1:08 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Killing Father was Re: DG: Killing Mother Here in Buenos Aires (Argentina) we had a crime with occult elements. Two girls, Gabriela (29) and Silvina Vazquez(21) , killed their father Juan Vazquez(50), during a strange ritual that according to the girls, was to take out the devil from his body. The father was killed more than 100 stabs made in cross shape, and has a drawing made with a knife in his back (the drawing was a circle with a triangle inside).When the police broke into the house (the neighbours called the police, because of the screams), the two naked girls, covered of blood, spat pieces of flesh form their father's face (who has half of his face eaten and was without his eyes).Silvina was speaking in an unidentified language (to the cops, but was later said in the news that it could be portuguese) and with a grave voice, and when she saw the cops told them (in spanish) :"What do you want? This is not real.Go away!" The room had several bowls with animal blood and an alchemy drawing in one wall (I donīt know the precise name, but was that hermaphrodite human with two heads, that is present in some alchemy drawings) The two girls were declared insane and interned in a psychiatric institution in the same date.The police investigation relates this crime with an alchemy institute, were the girls and the father attended.The name of the institute is Transmutar (Transmute) and has a web page I hadnīt time to check (www.transmutar.com) In the first few days, all the press was interested in the crime, with psychiatrists and priests talking on TV (the priests talked always about satanism, but no inverted pentagrams or LaVey's Bible were related to the crime).After that, no more information was published, except for a small note in the newspapers about a monastery, near Bariloche were the talismans and other elements sold in the web page were produced.For what the paper said it was a kind of heresy of the christian church, that studied the "elemental spirits" :dwarfs, gnomes, fairies , but it was said in a very unclear way (they didnīt say the word heresy, but according what i know the catholic church does not believe in "elemental spirits") I didn't report this earlier because I only had fragmentary data and I didn't have enough time to write it. GOOd luck. Diego Garcia From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jason R. Armstrong [gerwalkveritech@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 1:51 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Playing the Game of Human > > Laugh while you can, Monkey-boy. > Primates display a disheartening capacity for self-delusion. > Truly you would all be better off if you would voluntarily submit to >the >reign of less volatile reptilian leadership. Let room temperature >heads >prevail. > Selected females may be given the oppurtunity to ride the snake to >the lake. >You know, the ancient lake? > > Let us pray that there is never an end to our elaborate plans. No >eternal >reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. Lessee, now. He talks not only about himself as a great Lizard King, but also about his affinity for lakes and sunning himself at "the Beach" (i.e.-near bodies of water on a regular basis). And his anecdotes about life seem to A) veer to and fro from career to career, lifestyle to lifestyle, time to time, and B) are narrated in a bizarre yet compelling style, easily mixing conversational narrative with stream-of-consciousness and commonly known music/pop.soc. references. As if he were speaking through the dreams and rememberances of many others, not only himself... Conclusions? Based on rigorous empiricist methodology, I can only conclude- He's an avatar of Bokrug. He's Dream-Gating in and out of the LA environs. Aren't you? AREN'T YOU, "MCFADDEN"? (I mean, what kind of a name is that? Obviously cribbed from a Scooby-Doo villain or something. Ha!) So, all of these wierd stories you tell, these unsettling looks into "the undersurface of life". Compulsive reading for sure; but ultimately serving only to disorder and to frighten us, to make us more assured of ill intent or fallibility on the part of our fellow man-monkeys. Sowing doubt, sowing uncertainty...and yet, within many of these tales, you then interject odd, almost entirely intuitive "certainties", strange "truths" amongst the wierdness, connections that imply an associative "importance". Mixing Truth and Dream Fantasy until they are not just complementary, but inseparable. You're trying to turn *everything* into a "La-La Land", aren't you? It's said that Bokrug's revenge is sure, but slow in coming...how long have you been working in the real world, hah? And why? You blasted Sarnath for not showig you respect...what, you got mad that the jerks in Orange County are too busy getting tans, to notice you or your moon-lizard "dad"? Is that it? Are you seeking to imminentize the eschaton, in order that you can piggyback your "revenge" on California with the Endtimes? Well, I got news, for ya, palsie, TAKE A FRIGGIN' NUMBER, coz Rhan-Tegoth's got you beat to the punch with that one! Just wait 'til He awakens once again; I'd like to see you keep your beachside property once He Wave-of-Oblivion's OC and LA off the GODDAMNED CONTINENT!! HAH HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! You fool. Didn't you know? Right now, the Doom Weevil is part of a "Prehistoric Entomology Exhibit" in the museum near LaBrea. Soon, He shall conquer all!!!! Hey, wait just a cotton-pickin'....(dragged off out of interrogation room. Shouting. Shots fired.) ------------------------------ In the words of Ian Mackaye, "maybe, we went a little too fast, yeah maybe, we went a little too fast maybe we went a little _too_ fast, and maybe... we'd better Slow Down- -Slow Down Slow Down Slow Down Slow Down- the dance of days, the dance of days" Thanks for the WEE stuff. At the beginning, I thought for sure they were real. Now, I see. It doesn't matter. Has there ever been a company, an organization, that wasn't truly, palpably unreal? All that is Me, is Meat. All that is "Us", is Artifice. Dream on, fellas:) PS- Got back from DC yesterday. Still catching up to *this* side of craziness. xJAYx ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 2:36 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Static electricity, VDT's, Electro-magnetic fields, etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Yes, there's a prof next door at Laurentian University who theorizes the same thing. Except he has some objective evidence to support it. > At a slight angle: there was some thing in NATURE a few weeks back (3rd feb) about Ball Lightning being burning silicon fluff - - - You need to be a subscriber with a password to search www.nature.com , so I've cut&pasted the summary here: The Glove Cleaner ---- **** ---- The most mysterious sort of lightning is ball lightning - glowing spheres of light that float in air. A new theory claims to explain nearly all the properties of these unusual balls of fire. Ball lightning has been well documented since the Middle Ages as a natural phenomenon associated with thunderstorms. It is relatively rare - only about 1% of the population ever reports seeing it. It remains an enigma to modern science. Experiments to reproduce ball lightning in the laboratory have not been successful, and a theoretical explanation has eluded scientists since the first attempts 150 years ago. On page 519 of this issue, Abrahamson and Dinniss offer a straightforward explanation of ball lightning, in which they suggest that fluffy balls of silicon burn and emit light. The balls of silicon are created when ordinary fork lightning strikes the earth, by the same chemical reaction that the semiconductor industry uses to form pure silicon from sand . . . . From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 2:54 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The noble skill of Lying ----- Original Message ----- From: Davide Mana > > As a caveat, notice that lying can be addictive. Yup > It probably comes with the power feeling you get by utterly duping an > unsuspecting fellow human. Nope. It's just a reflex. > That's a good way - incidentally - to spot liars: they'll lie on irrelevant > things, just for kicks. I found myself doing this a few years ago, and for no reason at all that I could see. I had nothing to gain by lying. I was doing stupid things like giving people the wrong directions in the street when they asked me where to go. When I consciously realised I was doing it, I stopped. Oddly, six months later I *had* to tell a harmless (but big) lie to keep my job. Practice? Looking back, it's just possible I knew enough to unconsciously anticipate the need to tell that lie . . . The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 3:17 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The noble skill of Lying ----- Original Message ----- From: > The guy told me to take pictures of any interesting files, anything that > looked like it was important or was locked away. No, he wasn't German, do I > sound German? Come on guys, you got me. I surrender. It's a fair cop. > > And so on. Now the subject of the interrogation is 'the guy'. Dunno about that. I don't think I could swing that. If you push something like "the guy" at them they will know it's bogus, just because you pushed it. I still say, silence. Why do you have to talk to them? What will they do if you don't talk that *talking* will save you from? If they intend to show you one of your eyeballs on a pencil, they will probably do so whatever you say. Doesn't most interrogation actually rely on an irrational belief? On exploiting an instinctive program that tells you that you are in a social relationship with your interrogators, and that, if you tell the truth, you are "making friends" and will be "forgiven"? Clockwork in their head, clockwork in my head. The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of PM [mermoud@easynet.fr] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 4:43 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: News from other life forms Taken from e-zine : ================================ Scientists are alarmed by a study that reveals widespread abnormalities in frogs in Maine, Vermont and Minnesota. They say amphibians are barometers of potentially serious environmental problems. In the most extensive study undertaken, the National Wildlife Health Center in Madison, Wis., examined 180 damaged northern leopard frogs collected at 16 sites and performed sophisticated X-rays on their bone structure to determine the cause of the abnormalities. The Portland, Maine, Press Herald reports the deformed frogs in Maine had - among other abnormalities - an extra leg, additional bones in their feet and increased sheaths of skin that make it impossible to jump very well. The frogs in Vermont were missing bones and, in some cases, had no hips. Scientists say they found a parasitic worm infecting Minnesota tadpoles, arresting their development into adult frogs. The results of a two-year U.N. study on the world's environmental health will be presented to the U.N. General Assembly in September. ================================ Maine being not that far from Some Town, would we blame DO or some MJ activity ? ============================================= Patrice Mermoud (Paris - France) mermoud@easynet.fr ============================================= From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 4:55 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The noble skill of Lying In a message dated 00-04-18 16:19:50 EDT, you write: << Why do you have to talk to them? What will they do if you don't talk that *talking* will save you from? If they intend to show you one of your eyeballs on a pencil, they will probably do so whatever you say. >> Because you should never make yourself two people; 'Real Guy' and 'Lying Guy'. Your persona should be capable of thinking two mutually exclusive things at once. Believe I don't recommend the tactic I outlined for everyone, Your Mileage could get you wired-up and begging to tell all in minutes, if you aren't a garrulous bullshitter by nature. But if you are, play to *your* strengths. Tell the Tale and get them hanging on your every word, waiting to find out what happened next. If you let them set the pace by establishing a question\answer dynamic, your options are tell the truth or keep silent. Notice that all most of the established wisdom of interrogation posits asking a question and watching for the tells as they respond. Oh, and by the way, all this turns to shit when they start cutting pieces off to show you. Well, duh. If you are stubbornly silent, they break out the generator and alligator clips. If they get tired of you giving them the runaround, they break out the generator and alligator clips. Which tactic buys more time? Then it's time for new tactics. Have you considered fainting at the sight of blood, especially your own? Mark McFadden From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of box_nine@ix.netcom.com Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 5:07 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: Re: DG: The noble skill of Lying Mark McFadden wrote: > Then it's time for new tactics. Have you considered fainting at the >sight of blood, especially your own? Quiller (the Adam Hall character, not the mailing list participant) induces a black-out - as I recall, something about forcing himself to stress out. And speaking of trauma, I note that after Jason "Stop laughing at my god!" Armstrong invoked Rhan-Tegoth I read of a tornado hitting LA. You OK out there, McFadden? Steven -------------- Is rather partial to Ithaqua, himself. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 5:20 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: News from other life forms In a message dated 00-04-18 17:48:44 EDT, you write: << The frogs in Vermont were missing bones and, in some cases, had no hips. >> See? Cell phones. Mark McFadden From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 5:23 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The noble skill of Lying In a message dated 00-04-18 17:58:21 EDT, you write: << Because you should never make yourself two people; 'Real Guy' and 'Lying Guy'. Your persona should be capable of thinking two mutually exclusive things at once. Believe >> Sorry, got distracted by this "job" shite. That was supposed to read Believe Seven Impossible Things before breakfast and you are ready to play with the mean boys. Mark McFadden From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 5:25 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: Re: DG: The noble skill of Lying ----- Original Message ----- From: > Mark McFadden wrote: > > > Then it's time for new tactics. Have you considered fainting at the >sight of blood, especially your own? > > Quiller (the Adam Hall character, not the mailing list participant) induces a black-out - as I recall, something about forcing himself to stress out. > > Steven Silence will serve me, I think. It is what Glove Cleaners do. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 5:41 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The noble skill of Lying In a message dated 00-04-18 18:10:35 EDT, you write: << And speaking of trauma, I note that after Jason "Stop laughing at my god!" Armstrong invoked Rhan-Tegoth I read of a tornado hitting LA. You OK out there, McFadden? >> Tornado, mudslide, brushfire, drought, earthquake, drive-by, creepy-crawling serial killer cults, civil insurrection\"race riots".... yada yada yada. What's the traffic like? Casa Del Lagarto came through fine. So did the dogs, who found it exhilarating. When they were awake. Mark McFadden Actually, doesn't feel like a dog without a bone *or* an actor out on loan. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Quiller [quiller@quiller.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 5:51 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The noble skill of Lying In message , box_nine@ix.netcom.com writes >Quiller (the Adam Hall character, not the mailing list participant) induces a >black-out - as I recall, something about forcing himself to stress out. Don't remember that one, which book was it in? Just curious, I've got all of these and reckon they're the best spy thrillers bar none. And I may have read each of them a few times. Well all right, loads of times... On the subject of interrogations, in one the Quiller novels, the author describes a risky method of interrogation (risk of the subject losing their marbles and becoming useless...) that claustrophobics like me out there will really appreciate. It involves rolling the subject up in a great big sheet of wet canvas and then leaving them to slowly dry... that one still brings me out in cold sweat. Steve Pritchard Business Systems Analyst Hampshire, England "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" -Juvenal, Satires, VI, 347 From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of John Petherick [jpetheri@cyberbeach.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 7:05 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: News from other life forms At 11:42 PM 4/18/00 +0200, you wrote: >Taken from e-zine : >================================ > Scientists are alarmed by a study that reveals widespread abnormalities in >frogs in Maine, Vermont and Minnesota. They say amphibians are barometers of >potentially serious environmental problems. > >Maine being not that far from Some Town, would we blame DO or some MJ >activity ? > There are two competing theories regarding the widespread (within North America) occurence of deformed frogs. And some of these theories also attempt to explain the worldwide decline in frog numbers. One is the pollution theory. Basically, this theory states that frogs are sensitive to environmental pollution and limb deformities occur as a result. Some of these theories go on to explain that these deformities make the frogs more susceptible to predation resulting in reduced numbers. One sub-theory of this branch is that the reduced ozone layer allows more ultraviolet radiation to reach the ground. Frogs are, supposedly, more sensitive and with them ultraviolet acts to interfere with limb development rather than causing mutations and cancer like every other living organism. This, actually, is a plausible explanation for the decline in frog numbers if you leave out the limb deformity bit. The competing theory is that the deformities are due to the presence of parasites known as trematodes. These naturally occurring parasites apparently target the developing limbs in a tadpole and cause the type of deformities seen in various locations. This is beneficial for the parasite since it makes the tadpole or frog more suceptible to predation which passes the parasite on to the next host in its life cycle. The Pollution Control Agency in Minnesota has a website with information about deformed frogs at http://www.pca.state.mn.us/hot/frogs.html . Note that they are advocates of the pollution theory. For the sickos among us, there is a deformed frog cam at http://freddo.pca.state.mn.us/frogcam2.html For a view of the parasite theory, try http://wise.berkeley.edu/WISE/demos/parasites/ which appears to be some kind of on-line class exercise. ObDG: It's dumping by WEE, you fools! Or else a complicated long-term plan by the Shan to change the Earth's atmosphere to: a) enable their escape; b) allow them to survive outside a host during daylight hours; or, c) increase the amount of nutrient radiation to reach the Earth's surface ********************************************************************* John Petherick, CIH jpetheri@cyberbeach.net From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Purple Kat [kringskeep@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 7:13 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The noble skill of Lying Of course everything you say is good and kind and wonderful and I could sit for hours listening to you. I think that you are a handsome, intelligent, tall, dark man who will perfectly fit into my life and make me feel complete. Purple Kat >I found myself doing this a few years ago, and for no reason at all that I >could see. I had nothing to gain by lying. I was doing stupid things >like giving people the wrong directions in the street when they asked me >where to go. > >When I consciously realised I was doing it, I stopped. > >Oddly, six months later I *had* to tell a harmless (but big) lie to keep my >job. > >Practice? Looking back, it's just possible I knew enough to unconsciously >anticipate the need to tell that lie . . . > >The Glove Cleaner ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 7:29 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The noble skill of Lying In a message dated 00-04-18 18:55:39 EDT, you write: << On the subject of interrogations, in one the Quiller novels, the author describes a risky method of interrogation (risk of the subject losing their marbles and becoming useless...) that claustrophobics like me out there will really appreciate. It involves rolling the subject up in a great big sheet of wet canvas and then leaving them to slowly dry... that one still brings me out in cold sweat. >> Houdini maintained that that was his hardest escape, because hidden tools wouldn't help, only stamina and the ability to dislocate joints. I once read a book by Jack London, 'The Star Voyager' IIRC. The narrator was a prisoner on death row who would be repeatedly given this treatment when he was caught tap-coding to other prisoners, who were also given the treatment when caught. Often, they'd wiggle over to a wall and continue to tap while they were receiving the treatment. What are you going to do, kill me? The narrator realizes he has a high tolerance for this treatment, and when the treatment makes his mind go wandering to avoid the pain, he recalls that he has lived many many lives (which he describes in great detail) where similar situations of hardship and isolation were a major theme. Mark McFadden From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 7:44 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The noble skill of Lying In a message dated 00-04-18 20:16:27 EDT, you write: << Of course everything you say is good and kind and wonderful and I could sit for hours listening to you. I think that you are a handsome, intelligent, tall, dark man who will perfectly fit into my life and make me feel complete. Purple Kat >> And I love you completely, uncritically, unreservedly, faithfully and absolutely... more than life itself. I want to father your children. Lots of them. Honest. Also, I can't wait to hear all about your day, in fact, I think I'll skip going to the bathroom until you've brought me up to date. Seriously, it's that special to me because everything you do is. Mark McFadden I'd never do that. I promise I'll warn you before, you know, it's too late. And I'll respect you even more than I do now. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of EdDrWho@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 8:01 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Static electricity, VDT's, Electro-magnetic fields, etc. In a message dated 4/17/00 3:29:17 PM Central Daylight Time, andywrobertson@clara.co.uk writes: > Even if we picked up Shan telepathy with TEMPEST, how would we decode it? > They don't think in English. But if we pick it up, we know who they are. ::::sound of drill:::: From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of EdDrWho@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 8:01 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Static electricity, VDT's, Electro-magnetic fields, etc. In a message dated 4/17/00 3:29:17 PM Central Daylight Time, andywrobertson@clara.co.uk writes: > Even if we picked up Shan telepathy with TEMPEST, how would we decode it? > They don't think in English. But if we pick it up, we know who they are. ::::sound of drill:::: From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 3:40 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Playing the Game of Human In a message dated 4/18/00 12:02:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gerwalkveritech@juno.com writes: << Lessee, now. He talks not only about himself as a great Lizard King, but also about his affinity for lakes and sunning himself at "the Beach" (i.e.-near bodies of water on a regular basis). And his anecdotes about life seem to A) veer to and fro from career to career, lifestyle to lifestyle, time to time, and B) are narrated in a bizarre yet compelling style, easily mixing conversational narrative with stream-of-consciousness and commonly known music/pop.soc. references. As if he were speaking through the dreams and rememberances of many others, not only himself... Conclusions? Based on rigorous empiricist methodology, I can only conclude- He's an avatar of Bokrug. He's Dream-Gating in and out of the LA environs. Aren't you? AREN'T YOU, "MCFADDEN"? (I mean, what kind of a name is that? Obviously cribbed from a Scooby-Doo villain or something. Ha!)>> And I would have gotten away with it, too, if it wasn't for those fuckin' kids. Except for the delectable Thelma, of course. Last chance, Thelma. Ditch Barbie, Ken, Maynard G. Krebs and Astro; come with me to forests of azure, out on the perimeter where there are no stars and we is stone immaculate. I've seen what happens later when you team up with Louise; it doesn't have a happy ending. You've got nothing to lose. We will ignore for now the lizard-shaped cavern complex stretching head to tail from that unmarked locked door in the sub-basements of the LA Public Library to the Elysian Fields near Dodger Stadium. The decision is not in yet and there are rumors of gerrymandering. We will for the moment ignore the obvious parallels to the fate of Ib and the sad tale of the mission Indians and the genocide of a race of bug-eyed, flabby-pouty lipped green people with 'curious ears' (earlobes or not? Enquiring Cagot need to know. Did you know one of the largest concentrations of Basque-Americans is in nearby Bakersfield?), with green skin 'soft as jelly to the touch of stone and arrow'. Why? Because I never noticed until your post, that's why. Anyhow, just to bring everything back to Leiber; the rushes over the remains of Sarnath reminded me of the salt marshes outside Lankhmar. Surely the remains of Ib looked much the same, they were on the same lake after all. Now I think I know where Lankhmar first appeared in the Dreamlands, before Leiber pinched it off into it's own world bubble and the lake had to turn into a sea. And as we know, Lankhmar is the city that mutated into LA with the coming of movies, as Doctor Dee told us in a dream. It's all so obvious when you have the Enochian key. In any case, a water lizard would be a salamander, you cheeky monkey. Mark McFadden But keep those cards and sacrifices coming in. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 3:40 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Playing the Game of Human In a message dated 4/18/00 12:02:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gerwalkveritech@juno.com writes: << Well, I got news, for ya, palsie, TAKE A FRIGGIN' NUMBER, coz Rhan-Tegoth's got you beat to the punch with that one! Just wait 'til He awakens once again; I'd like to see you keep your beachside property once He Wave-of-Oblivion's OC and LA off the GODDAMNED CONTINENT!! >> That's the problem with being the Alpha Male, there's always some young GOO that thinks it can take you. Well, bring it on, Meat. I'll go Jurassic on your ass. Sure, the stakes are high: "Some say that if Rhan-Tegoth can be destroyed the Old Ones can never return to life. The destruction of a being like Rhan-Tegoth, however, would probably be beyond the abilities of humanity." 'Encyclopedia Cthuliana' by some guy on the List Beyond the abilities of humanity, eh? Never tell me the odds. You're probably wondering why I'm smiling. You see, not only am I actually right-handed, but... Where is the MiB these days, anyhow? Mark McFadden 23rd Dan Celestial Grand Master of Li Zard Do From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 7:43 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Playing the Game of Human On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > awakens once again; I'd like to see you keep your beachside property once He > Wave-of-Oblivion's OC and LA off the GODDAMNED CONTINENT!! >> Why waste the MP, just wait for global warming, melting polar caps and the Ross Ice shelf to fall into the Antarctic Ocean. Then *every* coast will be flooded and California will finally become the archipelago it so richly deserves to be. For extra enjoyment, Kn'yan will also be flooded. That'll teach those blue-litten pissants to imitate the MiB. > Beyond the abilities of humanity, eh? > Never tell me the odds. > You're probably wondering why I'm smiling. You see, not only am I actually > right-handed, but... Extropians! BLEAH! > Where is the MiB these days, anyhow? The great one has been busy playing with his Star Wars toys... Uh, I mean coordinating the actions of the Star Cluster Oversector Flag Fleet. Also, he's been making SETI 2401 aliens, which is damn hard without caffiene. ******* "The sentient species of the Symphony bring their long established behaviors into space with them. The Grazers still attempt to feed on the Woodwinds, while their Winger 'allies' look out for Hunters. In return the Grazers allow the Wingers to collect their nutrient rich dung, which the Wingers trade to the Woodwinds in exchange for the psychoactive fruit and pollen of the treefolk. The Wingers view their dealings with the Woodwinds as simple mercantilism, while the mobile plants treat the exchange with an almost religious reverence, especially where their pollen is involved. The Frogs are the wild card in this equation and frequently 'harvest' the Treefolk of their life giving riches. Most SETI Xenobiologists cannot resolve how five seperate sentient species competing and interacting with one another could possibly arrive through natural selection. However, no evidence of any of the various Precursor civilizations has been found in Symphony space." -- Gerhard Alain, Xenobiologist, SETI OC23 Stroke of Lightning, Berendzen Class Observer Cruiser. ******* The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of William Timmins [wtimmins@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 8:18 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: New DS pictures I have two new pictures of Dimensional Shamblers.. http://wtimmins.tripod.com/DG/endtime/etds.html Feedback appreciated. Some pictures of DS City-beings are in the works. -=Will ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 2:07 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Playing the Game of Human In a message dated 00-04-19 08:46:01 EDT, you write: << Then *every* coast will be flooded and California will finally become the archipelago it so richly deserves to be. >> Ha! That's when I set off my carefully positioned seismic charges to separate Southern California from the continental mass, while simultaneously pumping Flubbergas (you didn't believe that disinfo campaign did you?) into the empty oil deposits, LA Subway tunnels and temperature & humidity controlled California wine cellars to make the southern half bouyant. At my signal, all the boats in all the marinas will go ahead full and we'll ram Nevada. I would have made plans to save the northern half of the state, but they started giving me shit when I called their town Frisco. Ooo ooo, only locals can call it that, it's a Frisco thing, I wouldn't understand. Fuck 'em, they've got water. Mark McFadden Cool, now I can walk to Vegas. I'll take the escalator down from the Galleria.Try and keep me out of Area 51 will you? From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 3:08 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The noble skill of Lying ----- Original Message ----- From: Purple Kat > Of course everything you say is good and kind and wonderful No, no, no The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 3:11 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The noble skill of Lying ----- Original Message ----- From: It involves rolling the subject up in a great big sheet > of wet canvas and then leaving them to slowly dry... that one still brings me > out in cold sweat. >> > > Houdini maintained that that was his hardest escape, because hidden tools > wouldn't help, only stamina and the ability to dislocate joints. > > I once read a book by Jack London, 'The Star Voyager' IIRC. Is that "The Star Rover"?? Actually an inspiration for some of Robert E Howard's lousier stories - not that that was London's fault. The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 3:35 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: Killing Father was Re: DG: Killing Mother In a message dated 00-04-18 14:21:39 EDT, you write: << Silvina was speaking in an unidentified language (to the cops, but was later said in the news that it could be portuguese) and with a grave voice, and when she saw the cops told them (in spanish) :"What do you want? This is not real.Go away!" >> The Matamoros cult was revealed when a member drove through a traffic checkpoint and ignored the police vehicles in pursuit because he knew that he was invisible and bullet-proof. So he drove right to his appointment with some cult leaders. Incidentally, one of my earthquake supplies is cheap votive candles I buy at the supermarket. I used to always get the ones on the top shelf without the religious icon decal on the glass, but then I looked closer. So in addition to the literally dozens of plain vanilla 12" tall glass votives all over for power outages (*after* checking for gas leaks in earthquake situations thankyouverramuch. Tolga take note) I now pick up selected religious icon candles. Religious icons like the Seven Sacred African Powers, and the Mano del Salvador. The seven African powers are laid out sort of like a Kabbalistic diagram, and the Manos del Salvador looks amazingly like the depictions of the Hand of Glory, complete with little saints(?) and infants with crowns standing on the fingertips, but with a slit in the palm. The candles come with directions on the back in English and Spanish giving the words of the appropriate prayer, with the insertion point for your petition helpfully labelled [describe your request here]. This same brand of candle is available (as much shelf space as that devoted to canned tuna) at every major chain grocery store, anywhere I've shopped in LA, ever since I started paying attention. James Ellroy called it 'the wonder'. This place is rich in it. Mark McFadden I was trading candles with Jim Crow and Sam Eddy during our monthly game of 5 Card Tarot. Managed to swap an extra 'Mano del Salvador' I picked up at Albertson's for a 'San Martin, Patrón de Guerreros' and a used 'Maria, Consejos Para La Defensa'. If I can just get my hands on a 'San Joan, Olvidado El Papa' and a 'San Judas Entendidos Mal' , I'll have a complete set. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 3:40 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The noble skill of Lying In a message dated 00-04-19 16:19:34 EDT, you write: << Is that "The Star Rover"?? Actually an inspiration for some of Robert E Howard's lousier stories - not that that was London's fault. >> That's it. Yeah, now that you mention it, I can see the influence on 'The Valley of the Worm'. Which I considered one of REH's better works. Better in the sense of being a non-stop page turner. Mark McFadden From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:01 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: New DS pictures/DNA/Panspermia ----- Original Message ----- From: William Timmins > I have two new pictures of Dimensional Shamblers.. > http://wtimmins.tripod.com/DG/endtime/etds.html > > Feedback appreciated. > Why not pinch some gen-u-ine Mars backgrounds from the stuff on the NASA sites? I don't know if your graphics software can handle it, of course, but it would surprise me if you couldn't work something. I went on to read the text. I note you have the DS having terrene DNA. Maybe this is all explained somewhere else on the EndTimes site, or maybe it's something that you are going to spring on players when they get deeper, but I wondered if you were working in the purported bacteria in that Mars meteor, and the possibility that Earth life actually came from Mars inside a similar meteor in the first place. I think this is considered a rather remote possibility nowadays, but it's one that has always fascinated me. Bacteria could probably survive inside large chunks of rock knocked off the Earth by major impacts: if these got swept up by comets those bacteria might find themselves in a place where they could thrive (and expand their populations enormously) when the comet heated up as it passed near the Sun. When it got cold again the bacteria could hibernate. Some comets can get deflected into hyperbolic orbits, raising the possibility of life actually passing from star to star by completely natural means, and arriving on other fertile planets from space. This is in the realms of purely natural science, not the Mythos (if there is a difference!). It is quite fascinating to think of the whole Galaxy as (possibly) being a single developing ecosystem. I doubt any of this is new to you in particular, agent Timmins; but listmembers might want to check out the Hoyle and Wikramasinge inspired website at http://www.panspermia.com/ - a magnificent source of loony ideas if nothing else. The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:15 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: was London's fault. >> > > That's it. > Yeah, now that you mention it, I can see the influence on 'The Valley of the > Worm'. > Which I considered one of REH's better works. Better in the sense of being a > non-stop page turner. > > Mark McFadden Actually you are right - that's a really good one, with great Mythos applicability. But there were two other London-inspired ones about the same guy, "James Allison", having dreams, which were pretty bad. Don't mistake me - I like a lot of Howard's stuff. Neurotic, driven and wrongheaded as he was, he was a true _radix_ Others imitate him, but he imitated no-one. And, unlike 95% of the guys who write "heroic fantasy", he understood truely murderous, killing, rage from the inside. You can't fake that. The Glove Cleaner "You sing of the young gods easily In the days when you are young; But I go smelling yew and sods, And I know there are gods behind the gods, Gods that are best unsung. "And a man grows ugly for women, And a man grows dull with ale, Well if he find in his soul at last Fury, that does not fail. "The wrath of the gods behind the gods Who would rend all gods and men, Well if the old man's heart hath still Wheels sped of rage and roaring will, Like cataracts to break down and kill, Well for the old man then-- "While there is one tall shrine to shake, Or one live man to rend; For the wrath of the gods behind the gods Who are weary to make an end. "There lives one moment for a man When the door at his shoulder shakes, When the taut rope parts under the pull, And the barest branch is beautiful One moment, while it breaks. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:55 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Re: New DS pictures/DNA/Panspermia > listmembers might want to check out the Hoyle and Wikramasinge inspired > website at http://www.panspermia.com/ - a magnificent source of loony ideas > if nothing else. > Like for instance: Colonising space by dividing up our DNA into 40,000 different bacterial introns and sending the DNA inside bacteria inside comets . . Life may be older than the Earth - it may be older than the whole Universe. DNA may have come here from Outside. (Remember HPL writing "... I learned of the primal springs of life, and the rivulets trickling from it with which the Earth had become involved".) This Univers's DNA may infect "daughter Universes" budded off from this one. It's a good site, give it a look. The Glove Cleaner