From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Purple Kat [kringskeep@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 5:03 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The noble skill of Lying This sounds like a man who can let me be myself and let me help him find and nurture his inner self. I would love to have children by you, hopefully they will have your looks and intelligence. Since I would not want them to be less than perfect. Purple Kat starts to bring up a hair ball upon this entire discussion. Sorry about that, this was getting so bad that the back hoe I borrowed to dig out all of this manure was getting buried. > And I love you completely, uncritically, unreservedly, faithfully and >absolutely... more than life itself. I want to father your children. Lots >of >them. > Honest. > Also, I can't wait to hear all about your day, in fact, I think I'll skip >going to the bathroom until you've brought me up to date. Seriously, it's >that special to me because everything you do is. > >Mark McFadden > > I'd never do that. I promise I'll warn you before, you know, it's too >late. > And I'll respect you even more than I do now. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of box_nine@ix.netcom.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 5:28 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Corporate Watch I've ranted before about Russell Mokhiber and MULTINATIONAL MONITOR - here's another resource for corporate malfeasance (ambiguity intentional). http://www.corpwatch.org/ I'm rather partial to http://www.corpwatch.org/trac/headlines/2000/134.html (Models using skin from cadavers to puff up their lips? Hell of a world...) Steven From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Stephen Joseph Ellis [sje1@st-andrews.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 5:38 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Battleship deckplans Hi all, I was wondering if anyone could steer me towards some battleship or cruiser deckplans that I want to use for an upcoming game. Preferably of a US warship thats in service. (Strangely though the US navy wont list that information on their website and netsearchs seem to lead to Traveller links!) Anyway if anyone can help me I'd appreciate it. Steve (who reckons that a 'Marie Celeste' US cruiser found in the South Pacific might attract some major DG and Bronson interest.) "In the long run we are all dead" -John Maynard Keynes From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 6:26 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Re: New DS pictures/DNA/Panspermia In a message dated 00-04-19 17:55:37 EDT, you write: << Colonising space by dividing up our DNA into 40,000 different bacterial introns and sending the DNA inside bacteria inside comets . . Life may be older than the Earth - it may be older than the whole Universe. >> As Vonnegut fans know, this was the result of launching a couple of tons of jizzum into a nearby chronosynchlastic infindibulum. See 'The Big Space Fuck' in 'Again, Dangerous Visions', edited by Harlan Ellison. Mark McFadden Shhhhh. Billy Pilgrim has come unstuck in time. Poo tee wheet? Special Bonus synchronicity: unlike David Irving, Kurt Vonnegut was a *witness* to the fire bombing of Dresden. He was also in the last plane out of Biafra. He and other artists were invited by the Biafran government to come and see their country before they were destroyed. So someone would remember them. He said they had some of the best gallows humor he had ever encountered. I never met any Biafrans, but I miss them. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 6:52 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Battleship deckplans Michael Lyne seems to get great info by searching on specific ship's names and getting alumni pages. The Navy won't release much of anything in the way of graphics of ships of a class still in service, but the crews and veterans are not so anal. Mark McFadden An unsung hero of Naval Aviation. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 7:49 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Battleship deckplans On 19 April, 2000 AD, Stephen Joseph Ellis asks: > Hi all, > > I was wondering if anyone could steer me towards some >battleship or cruiser deckplans that I want to use for an upcoming game. >Preferably of a US warship thats in service. (Strangely though the US navy >wont list that information on their website and netsearchs seem to lead >to Traveller links!) > Anyway if anyone can help me I'd appreciate it. Try "The Floating Drydock" (http://www.floatingdrydock.com) If you're willing to settle for exterior plans, their TFW Series, "drawn with the model builder in mind", are available for the USS "Ticonderoga" (CG-47) (lead ship of her class of AEGIS missile cruisers) at $25.00 for 1/96, or $13.00 for 1/192 scale. If you need a BB, they have the "Iowa" in this series for about $10 more than for the "Ticonderoga". (They also have a "Perry" FFG in this series.) In their Bu Series, "copies of Navy Builder's Plans", they have the BB Missouri, and virtually all the exterior decks and outboard profile and plan view of the DDs USS "Spruance" and USS "Moosebrugger" (but these are a total of 8 sheets per ship at $10 - 12 per sheet...), plus sundry plans for 40 and 50 foot motor launches and a 33 foot Captain's Gig. Interiors will be more difficult, especially for currently operational classes, but are (somewhat) available from "Floating Drydock". For example, in their G Series, they offer plans for the "Midway" class carrier USS "Coral Sea" (in 1/192) which include: Main Deck, Outboard Profile, Bridge, Superstructure Decks, Platforms, Inboard Profile, Flight Deck, Hangar Deck, and Data. (But none of the decks below the Hangar Deck, apparently...) > > Steve (who reckons that a 'Marie Celeste' US cruiser found in the >South Pacific might attract some major DG and Bronson interest.) Would you settle for a Coast Guard Cutter? While no interior plans seem to be available for current US cruisers (all of which are some version of the "Ticonderoga" class), the G Series plans (G-WMEC-905) for the USCGC "Spencer" (WMEC-905, a medium endurance cutter of the "Bear" class), apparently include: Main Deck, Outboard Profile, Bridge, Superstructure Decks, Platforms, Inboard Profile, 1st & 2nd Platform Decks, 3rd Deck, Inner Bottom, Hold, Data, Miscellaneous Interior & Exterior Decks. The "Bear" class are the USCG's most modern medium-endurance cutter class, diesel-powered, carrying a crew of about 100, and mounting a 76mm gun similar to that on the FFG-7 class missile frigates. There is a landing deck and expandable hangar aft. They were originally designed for fishery patrol, but have operated in SAR, drug interdiction, etc. While not bad vessels, some displeasure has been expressed over their limited speed and provisions capacity, and they can be rough to ride in heavy weather... Hope this helps somewhat... Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Mused [mused@idirect.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 8:46 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Tim POwers If you get a chance, take a gander at Tim POwers' official website. It has previews of his new book, which is his usual mix of sorcery and history, but this time it is the cold war rather than the past. I am suspecting strong DG potential material From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of James & Sarah Collins [collwood@gte.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 9:31 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Tim POwers Do you have the URL? -----Original Message----- From: Mused To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Date: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 6:32 PM Subject: DG: Tim POwers >If you get a chance, take a gander at Tim POwers' official website. It has >previews of his new book, which is his usual mix of sorcery and history, but >this time it is the cold war rather than the past. > >I am suspecting strong DG potential material > From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 11:38 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: New DS pictures On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, William Timmins wrote: > I have two new pictures of Dimensional Shamblers.. > http://wtimmins.tripod.com/DG/endtime/etds.html > > Feedback appreciated. Groovy. The double flash of a nuclear airburst (necessary to wipe out those flying Mi-Go) would be easily observable by say - The Mars Observer, which NASA 'lost contact' with before it could get any decent images. The Cydonia Flash might also have been visible to spy satellites, which usually don't point toward Mars, but I think everyone knows that the Hubble is actually a version of what FAS calls the IMPROVED CRYSTAL. Considering that the Hubble was fixed by STS-61 in 02 DEC 1993, and was operating in support of the Pathfinder in 1997 and Sagan Memorial station thereafter, The explosion would have to be timed to when Mars was pointing away from the Earth, *and* Edwin Hubble's eye was not watching. We could also say that unbeknownst to DG, Majestic's Mars Observer ('lost' 21 AUG 1993) coincides with Hubble's fix, and the loss of the Mars Climate Orbiter (23 SEPT 1999) could (by bumping it up a year) coincide with Cydonia. Thus, a good chance exists for Majestic to have witnessed the Cydonian Flash. This assumes that an airburst is desirable to eliminate flying Mi-Go. The thin atmosphere of Mars might require Mi-Go to undergo extensive modifications to fly on Mars. With most Martian Mi-Go wingless and confined to tunnels (why go the surface), an underground explosion seems best. This is undoubtedly the best route, as the Pathfinder wound down NOV 1997, and no significant geological sensors (or commsats to transmit their findings) exist to tell the tale. We must assume that the Dimensional Shamblers are unable to obtain Plutonium on Mars, either through their lack of industrial infrastructure, their inability to steal it from the Mi-Go, or the lack of uranium on Mars. Plutonium is unnecessary for nuke building, the most toxic substance known, and much more difficult to work with than U-238. I recommend to Micheal that unless earthly uranium is altered unacceptably by shambling, he should build several uranium gun bombs rather than muck about with plutonium implosion, lensing materials, and neutron reflectors. This strategy has the added advantage of having some sort of backups and redundancy, always good in any engineering endeavor. Another important consideration is the effect of Dimensional Shambling on transuranic elements. Other space/times might alter the structure of uranium or plutonium and render it unsuitable for use in fission or fusion generation. I volunteer to transport experimental substances to a Uranian moon or wherever for extensive testing in this area. (Mars is too close for the birth of a new sun). The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 12:00 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The noble skill of Lying On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Purple Kat wrote: > I would love to have children by you, hopefully they will have your looks > and intelligence. Since I would not want them to be less than perfect. > > And I love you completely, uncritically, unreservedly, faithfully and > >absolutely... more than life itself. I want to father your children. Lots Might I advocate a lifestyle choice of abstinence and celibacy for you both, after all, it's celibacy that makes Daniel Harms the great author that he is today. Condoms might be fine for some stupid people, but those things *rip* and *tear* people! Abstinence is the only sure thing! Avoid sexually transmitted diseases, it ruined Daniel Harms, it''ll ruin you! The Man in Black is : your Olympic Hero. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 1:06 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Battleship deckplans On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Stephen Joseph Ellis wrote: > I was wondering if anyone could steer me towards some > battleship or cruiser deckplans that I want to use for an upcoming game. Micheal Layne ought to handle this. Canvassing the local bookstores should do it as well. You could use the plans from Escape from Innsmouth if truly hard pressed. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 1:12 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Battleship deckplans On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Michael Layne wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone could steer me towards some > >battleship or cruiser deckplans that I want to use for an upcoming game. > >Preferably of a US warship thats in service. (Strangely though the US navy Now that I think about it, I might go down to Pearl Harbor and see if I can score some Arizona or Missouri plans. Then again, I might not. What's in it for me? :) The Man in Black is : already broke this month. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 1:39 AM To: The MiB's Mailing List Subject: DG: RoE SPOILERS In case you didn't figure it out there are SPOILERS for Rules of Engagement in this post. Well, only one. ******* TRANSIENT DOMAIN ERROR lazarus.ai.net Know the Glass Tunnel, Travel the Crystal Corridor, I am Light. Lasciate Ogne Speranza, Voi Ch'Intrate ******* In Rules of Engagement, ADAM is set up by Alzis and an unwitting DARREN, then killed by Reinhard Galt of the Karotechia. We know that the Special K are a bunch of Nazi Necromancers and sorcerers. Put these things together and it becomes obvious that the ADAM we've been dealing with has been Ressurected by either the Fate, the Karotechia, or some unholy union of the two. This is a problem. Well, I'm off to talk to Belial. Sieg Heil. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Juergen Hubert [snjuhube@pop.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 6:52 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RoE SPOILERS The Man in Black wrote: > > In case you didn't figure it out there are SPOILERS for Rules of > Engagement in this post. Well, only one. > > ******* > > TRANSIENT DOMAIN ERROR > lazarus.ai.net > Know the Glass Tunnel, Travel the Crystal Corridor, I am Light. > Lasciate Ogne Speranza, Voi Ch'Intrate > > ******* > > In Rules of Engagement, ADAM is set up by Alzis and an unwitting DARREN, > then killed by Reinhard Galt of the Karotechia. We know that the Special K > are a bunch of Nazi Necromancers and sorcerers. Put these things together > and it becomes obvious that the ADAM we've been dealing with has been > Ressurected by either the Fate, the Karotechia, or some unholy union of > the two. This is a problem. > > Well, I'm off to talk to Belial. Sieg Heil. Does anyone of these Nazi sorcerers know "Consume Likeness"? I don't have the books with me right now, but I faintly remember something about accessing the memories of those consumed... A problem indeed. - Juergen Hubert From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 8:13 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Unconvention Gang: As the date draws closer, are any of us going to Unconvention? I'll be there, as if that's not enough to put ya all off anyway. London, April 29 and 30. Everything from ghost hunting, black helicopters, chaos Magick and black metal, Nazi Satanism and UFOs. Oh yeah, and a flea circus... ummmmm... JT From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Stephen Joseph Ellis [sje1@st-andrews.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 8:24 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Battleship deckplans On Thu, 20 Apr 2000, The Man in Black wrote: > Now that I think about it, I might go down to Pearl Harbor and see if I > can score some Arizona or Missouri plans. Then again, I might not. What's > in it for me? :) > > The Man in Black is : already broke this month. The respect and admiration of your fellow conspirators!:) After all, none of us (even those at Pagan) are in it for the money. Steve. (living fat off all those black budget 'no receipts kept or needed' operations.) P.S. Scanning them and posting them on the Web should be a laugh (And attract all sorts of ECHELON and NSA attention.) From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 8:29 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Battleship deckplans At 02:24 PM 4/20/00 +0100, you wrote: > P.S. Scanning them and posting them on the Web should be a >laugh (And attract all sorts of ECHELON and NSA attention.) Do you think the MiB doesn't get that already??? JT From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of William Timmins [wtimmins@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 9:00 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: New DS pictures/DNA/Panspermia >From: "Andy Robertson" >Why not pinch some gen-u-ine Mars backgrounds from the stuff on the NASA >sites? I don't know if your graphics software can handle it, of course, >but it would surprise me if you couldn't work something. Well, I've looked very carefully at those Mars pictures to generate appropriate backgrounds. Doing a matte job could be easy, but there are some big limitations. You have to make sure the lighting matches, and it's very difficult to have the subject be IN the background, rather than simply in the foreground. I'm not completely satisfied with the background in the pictures... Part of this is due to my attempts to correct the image so that it appears properly on PC monitors. Part of this is because the background really should be littered with rocks... and I frankly didn't feel like spending the time. With the City images I'm doing, the background should be more in the distance, which works better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I went on to read the text. I note you have the DS having terrene DNA. >Maybe this is all explained somewhere else on the EndTimes site, or maybe >it's something that you are going to spring on players when they get >deeper, >but I wondered if you were working in the purported bacteria in that Mars >meteor, and the possibility that Earth life actually came from Mars inside >a similar meteor in the first place. I actually intended (though I should make this clear) for these details to be hooks for possible investigation, and left up to the Keeper. Perhaps Shamblers were originally terrestrial lifeforms, changed dramatically within the 'living' processes of the City. Something like mitochondria and the theory of eukaryotic cells having arrived from cooperating primitive proto-cells. Another possibility, given the putative origins of life on Earth outlined in Call of Cthulhu, is that DNA-based lifeforms is a common plan, or commonly generated by a given class of GOO. If I remember correctly, life on Earth was supposed to have been spread by the Elder Races work with material from Ubbo-Sathla, sort of an accidently exposure. The Elder Race, I think, have something like terrestrial DNA as well. Or at least could have. (panspermia thesis abbreviated...) >Bacteria could probably survive inside large chunks of rock knocked off the >Earth by major impacts: if these got swept up by comets those bacteria ... >I doubt any of this is new to you in particular, agent Timmins; but Actually it isn't, but it's fun to be reminded of it. Hoyle is quite entertaining. :) Although there is a more believable method of bacterial spread in the Mythos... the motions and travel of GOO and other races, through Gates and various modes of travel, could quite easily have spread an initial concentration of life throughout the known and unknown universe! It goes toward the point made that once a space-faring race comes into existance, it would very very likely fill the galaxy in a very very short period of time (galactically speaking... few million years). Even being conservative, life naturally expands into new habitations. It's a hallmark trait. Even given the idea that some races 'just don't do that', it seems highly likely that most would. The question that naturally follows is... why hasn't this happened? Why don't we see crosstraffic from all over? Why aren't they HERE? Either no such race has evolved, they have but are unnoticeable to us, they haven't colonized here (by odd luck or very environmentally conscious aliens, maybe), or we are the result. Given the Mythos, well... the answer is clear. :) -=Will ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@disinfo.net] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 9:27 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RoE SPOILERS On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:52:03 +0200 Juergen Hubert wrote: s p o i l e r s p a c e [MiB]: >> Put these things together >> and it becomes obvious that the ADAM we've been dealing with has been >> Ressurected by either the Fate, the Karotechia, or some unholy union of >> the two. This is a problem. >> >> Well, I'm off to talk to Belial. Sieg Heil. > > > >Does anyone of these Nazi sorcerers know "Consume Likeness"? I don't >have the books with me right now, but I faintly remember something about >accessing the memories of those consumed... The Bischoffe know Body Warping of Gorgorath, a less-efficient spell than Consume Likeness. Galt has Consume Memories, though--and he was present for Adam's demise. Very bad. Well, I guess that answers the question of how to make the K tougher. Dave From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of William Timmins [wtimmins@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 9:32 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: New DS pictures >From: The Man in Black >We could also say that unbeknownst to DG, Majestic's Mars Observer ('lost' >21 AUG 1993) coincides with Hubble's fix, and the loss of the Mars Climate >Orbiter (23 SEPT 1999) could (by bumping it up a year) coincide with >Cydonia. Thus, a good chance exists for Majestic to have witnessed the >Cydonian Flash. Agents report that tentative contacts within Majestic are investigating the Cydonia flash, and have surpressed release of information pertaining to it. A small 'event' was observed by the Climate Orbiter as well as several unofficial satellites. Cover story- equipment malfunctions. Select individiduals were encouraged, according to DG observations of suspected MJ agents, to perform a cover-up to avoid public complaint over more problems with NASA. >This assumes that an airburst is desirable to eliminate flying Mi-Go. The >thin atmosphere of Mars might require Mi-Go to undergo extensive >modifications to fly on Mars. With most Martian Mi-Go wingless and >confined to tunnels (why go the surface), an underground explosion seems >best. This is undoubtedly the best route, as the Pathfinder wound down NOV >1997, and no significant geological sensors (or commsats to transmit their >findings) exist to tell the tale. The explosion, as per report ADF-NASA/MJ-21-1999-12-20, was likely underground. A smuggled report from MJ indicates that the components of the explosion are a mystery. Just how MJ was able to analyse the material components released by an explosion on Mars, from Earth, warrants further DG investigation. In any case, the components are listed. The masses (+/- 30%) are listed. The presence of plutonium is indicated, but is not nearly enough to account for the explosion. MJ suspects Gray activity. >I recommend to Micheal that unless earthly uranium is altered unacceptably >by shambling, he should build several uranium gun bombs rather than muck >about with plutonium implosion, lensing materials, and neutron reflectors. >This strategy has the added advantage of having some sort of backups and >redundancy, always good in any engineering endeavor. DG contacts, heretofore referred to as Shambler Handler 1 (SH 1) and 2, have asked Michael about the particulars of the explosion. From transcript MKL-SH0-2000-01-11 (dashes represent redactions): SH1 "So, (SH0), that was a pretty f-g impressive blast! How the f- did you do that?? I mean... you had, what, ---- plutonium? No f-g way that could have worked. Well?" SH2 "Is he going to answer? He just keeps staring at the monitor." SH1 "Hey bud, Earth to (SH0)! C'mon, we got people to shoot, monsters to stomp." SH2 "Hey, shuttup, (SH1), might hurt his feelings!" SH0 "Enjoy story Thermopylae. Amusement. Blast is contortions of geometric spacetime via concordance." SH1 "Great. Just great. What?" SH2 "(SH0), what do you mean by the blast? What was it? Did you ... um, intensify the plutonium, or something?" SH0 "Blast was not violence of form, not geometric conversion. Blast was harmonious geometries brought in concordance with higher harmonics, increase of form to bring decrease of forms." SH2 "Great. That's ... great. So, it wasn't a regular nuclear blast?" SH0 "No, (SH2). No great armies of river-drying energies. Just proper placement of a few." SH1 "This is some hyper-spatial transformation, using plutonium, and creating a big explosion?" SH0 "Unpoetic. Yes." >generation. I volunteer to transport experimental substances to a Uranian >moon or wherever for extensive testing in this area. (Mars is too close >for the birth of a new sun). Further exploration of the Shambler dimensional abilities and experimental substances seems warranted. The ability to, say, transform wood into an intense explosive could be very handy. >The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins -=Agent Timmins (It's a town. In Ontario. Look it up! Just be glad I didn't pick 'Terminator' or 'Tiger' or something stupid like that. Oh? Sorry, Agent Tiger.) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of William Timmins [wtimmins@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 9:35 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Origins (was Re: DG: Unconvention) Along those lines, anyone here planning to be at Origins? I am... -=Agent Timmins ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Shane Ivey [sivey@zealot.com] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 10:14 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: RE: Origins (was Re: DG: Unconvention) Not Origins, but I'll be at World Horror Con (Denver, May 11-13) and DragonCon (Atlanta, June 29 - July 2) in a Zealot booth, if anyone wants to stop by. Shane Ivey Editor/Webmaster Zealot.com: Sci-Fi & Fantasy Fun GameJudge.com: The Game Review Superportal Delta-Green.com: Lovecraftian Horror and Modern Conspiracy Today at Zealot.com: Carrie-Ann Moss Signs On for The Matrix 2 & 3! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com [mailto:owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com]On > Behalf Of William Timmins > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 9:35 AM > To: dgrpg@delta-green.com > Subject: Origins (was Re: DG: Unconvention) > > > Along those lines, anyone here planning to be at Origins? I am... > From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jason R. Armstrong [gerwalkveritech@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 11:51 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The noble skill of Contraception On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:59:55 -0400 (EDT) The Man in Black writes: Condoms might be fine for some stupid people, but >those >things *rip* and *tear* people! Abstinence is the only sure thing! Really? I've never heard any substantiated "condom attack" reports. And I watch C-SPAN a LOT. Have I been lucky enough to use particularly lifeless or non-agressive types? Are there breeds that show a predisposition to dick-mangling, or trying to eat your yarblockoes? C'mon, dude, you're the Man with The Plan, explain this to me:) *+*+*Notes On My Nervous Illness, April 20th(?)*+*+* Having been brought back into the Cthuhlu-fold in 1991, I realize now that, after about nine years of constant exposure, plus the dose I got from that fuckin' "Dieties and Demigods" when I was six, I have less and less control over my immediate reactions to certain verbal terms. I find myself as immediately, fist-clenchingly, panic-sweatingly disturbed by the terms "slick", "ripple" and "fountain", as I normally would be by such terms as "pustule" or "cyst" or "hematoma" many years ago. I blame Chaosium and Pagan (and to a lesser extent, WWolf and thrash metal); I mean, let's face it, nowhere else would the utterance of "fountain" more likely be joined with the phrase "---of bile", or "---of steaming entrails", or "---of intestinal mucous and chyme-laden diahrrea". Oh, god, I am so weepy, neurotic and tormented.:) Please, someone fuckin' kill me. OK, obDG (or at least I _think_ so). The ugliness of the term "shiny" somewhat aside for a moment, I'd like to trace it's pathology, if I could. For instance, I know that this particular term immediately recalls a "Mr. Shiny". Hence the nail-bitey, etc. I seem to recall a Mr. Shiny as a "proto-Shoggoth" that looked human. Yet when I checked the term "proto-Shoggoth", all I got was a reference to "The Asylum". Wherein there is a (mighty creeepy) fella named Dr. Freygan. No Shiny. Where do I look next? the Ice Cave doesn't hit on a search for "Mr. Shiny" at all. I've got a lotta net-crap printed out, I'd just like a hint as to where the reference was first used. And don't say "Check the Berkely Archives", because I have the New Age transcript, and "Mr. Shiny" is an online sig. Please, please help me, before I plead some more!! Is it in "Tickets to A Prayer Wheel"? Is it in some transcript off the Chaosium digest? Is it in "At Your Door", the only thing I can never get aside from "Fatal- fucking-Experiments"? I SHALL GO MAD MAD I TELL YOU!!! ----------------------- "No-one is united And all things are untied, Rats are boiling over the side, They've been Telling Lies- They're no angels, They're devil's own anyways- Take it like a man.... the world's a mess It's In My Kiss.... =X= xJAYx ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of R. Hyrum Savage [hyrum@otherworlds.cx] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 12:16 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: RE: DG: The noble skill of Contraception Can't Mr. Shiny be found in the "At Your Door" supplement? Or maybe the "Cthulhu Now!" book. I know he was a character for the 1990 setting. $.02 -----Original Message----- From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com [mailto:owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com]On Behalf Of Jason R. Armstrong Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 9:51 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The noble skill of Contraception On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:59:55 -0400 (EDT) The Man in Black writes: Condoms might be fine for some stupid people, but >those >things *rip* and *tear* people! Abstinence is the only sure thing! Really? I've never heard any substantiated "condom attack" reports. And I watch C-SPAN a LOT. Have I been lucky enough to use particularly lifeless or non-agressive types? Are there breeds that show a predisposition to dick-mangling, or trying to eat your yarblockoes? C'mon, dude, you're the Man with The Plan, explain this to me:) *+*+*Notes On My Nervous Illness, April 20th(?)*+*+* Having been brought back into the Cthuhlu-fold in 1991, I realize now that, after about nine years of constant exposure, plus the dose I got from that fuckin' "Dieties and Demigods" when I was six, I have less and less control over my immediate reactions to certain verbal terms. I find myself as immediately, fist-clenchingly, panic-sweatingly disturbed by the terms "slick", "ripple" and "fountain", as I normally would be by such terms as "pustule" or "cyst" or "hematoma" many years ago. I blame Chaosium and Pagan (and to a lesser extent, WWolf and thrash metal); I mean, let's face it, nowhere else would the utterance of "fountain" more likely be joined with the phrase "---of bile", or "---of steaming entrails", or "---of intestinal mucous and chyme-laden diahrrea". Oh, god, I am so weepy, neurotic and tormented.:) Please, someone fuckin' kill me. OK, obDG (or at least I _think_ so). The ugliness of the term "shiny" somewhat aside for a moment, I'd like to trace it's pathology, if I could. For instance, I know that this particular term immediately recalls a "Mr. Shiny". Hence the nail-bitey, etc. I seem to recall a Mr. Shiny as a "proto-Shoggoth" that looked human. Yet when I checked the term "proto-Shoggoth", all I got was a reference to "The Asylum". Wherein there is a (mighty creeepy) fella named Dr. Freygan. No Shiny. Where do I look next? the Ice Cave doesn't hit on a search for "Mr. Shiny" at all. I've got a lotta net-crap printed out, I'd just like a hint as to where the reference was first used. And don't say "Check the Berkely Archives", because I have the New Age transcript, and "Mr. Shiny" is an online sig. Please, please help me, before I plead some more!! Is it in "Tickets to A Prayer Wheel"? Is it in some transcript off the Chaosium digest? Is it in "At Your Door", the only thing I can never get aside from "Fatal- fucking-Experiments"? I SHALL GO MAD MAD I TELL YOU!!! ----------------------- "No-one is united And all things are untied, Rats are boiling over the side, They've been Telling Lies- They're no angels, They're devil's own anyways- Take it like a man.... the world's a mess It's In My Kiss.... =X= xJAYx ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of R. Hyrum Savage [hyrum@otherworlds.cx] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 12:22 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: RE: DG: Making Karotechia more powerful Here's some info one what could be a Karotechia meeting in Santiago: Secret Nazi congress held in Chile Source: AFP | Published: Thursday April 20, 8:32 AM SANTIAGO - An international congress of Nazi organizations held in secret this week despite its prohibition by the Chilean government was closed today. Participants closed the conference four days ahead of schedule after police located the venue, Deputy Interior Minister Jorge Burgos said. The link for the complete story is: http://www.theage.com.au/breaking/0004/20/A15510-2000Apr20.shtml Enjoy! From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of James Holloway [j_holloway26@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 12:30 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The noble skill of Contraception I" >I could. For instance, I know that this particular term immediately >recalls a "Mr. Shiny". Hence the nail-bitey, etc. I seem to recall a Mr. >Shiny as a "proto-Shoggoth" that looked human. Yet when I checked the >term "proto-Shoggoth", all I got was a reference to "The Asylum". Wherein >there is a (mighty creeepy) fella named Dr. Freygan. No Shiny. Yes, Albert Shiny first appears - IIRC - in "At Your Door." He is something similar to Freygan, although possibly a more advanced model. He's also a card in Mythos, and he may turn up in other places. Mr. Shiny might also just be an exceptionally intelligent normal shoggoth. I can't really remember. -- James Holloway "Okay, and there's nothing in between. It's either grain alcohol in back alleys or a happy world of rodents and feetie pyjamas." "Yes." "I mean, why is that so hard to accept?" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andrew John Farrow [andrew.j.farrow@btinternet.com] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 1:18 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The noble skill of Contraception R. Hyrum Savage wrote - > Can't Mr. Shiny be found in the "At Your Door" supplement? Or maybe the > "Cthulhu Now!" book. I know he was a character for the 1990 setting. IIRC it was the stars are right - cos he ate me in san fransisco . yours andy . From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of box_nine@ix.netcom.com Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 2:23 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Mr. Shiny, or The Subject Line made Relevant *SPOILERS BELOW* 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 Mr. Shiny is a shoggoth lord, inspired by Michael Shea's story "Fat Face" (in CTHULHU 2000, and one for the few reasons for buying that collection). Basically, a somewhat more intelligent shoggoth. Besides AT YOUR DOOR, where it first appeared, Mr. Shiny has shown up in TICKETS TO A PRAYER WHEEL on the Web and is in the CREATURE COMPANION. Can't help you with your other problems. Steven From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 2:31 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RoE SPOILERS On 20 April, 2000 AD, The Man in Black brought up a potentially embarrassing observation: >******* >(Spoiler for RoE...) > > > > > > >In Rules of Engagement, ADAM is set up by Alzis and an unwitting DARREN, >then killed by Reinhard Galt of the Karotechia. We know that the Special K >are a bunch of Nazi Necromancers and sorcerers. Put these things together >and it becomes obvious that the ADAM we've been dealing with has been >Ressurected by either the Fate, the Karotechia, or some unholy union of >the two. This is a problem. It's only a problem for him (and us) if it was really ADAM who got wasted by Galt... Wasn't this incident shortly after ADAM took delivery of that latest batch of Life Model Decoys from Tony Stark?:) (If Blofeld could keep coming back for each sequel, no matter how certain 007 was that he'd killed him, then so can ADAM!) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 2:38 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Big fires On 9 April, 2000 AD, "Andy Robertson" , GLove Cleaner, had this to say about how he didn't want to set the world on fire: > >Combining nitrogen and oxygen to get nitrous oxide is an exenthalpic >reaction. That means the whole atmosphere could in theory get set alight, >and "burn" into a combination of nitrogen and nitrous oxides. This was a >minor but real concern when the first nuke was set off. Fortunately the >energy disperses too quickly to keep the temperature high enough for the >reaction to continue. Didn't one of the physicists at the TRINITY test in 1945 make a bet that this would happen? IIRC, several other scientists accepted his bet, then wondered how he would collect if he won? Probably not as powerful as an Illudium (sp?) Q-37 Explosive Space Mod-u-lator, but nonetheless effective... Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 3:13 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: New DS pictures/DNA/Panspermia In a message dated 00-04-20 10:02:51 EDT, you write: << The question that naturally follows is... why hasn't this happened? Why don't we see crosstraffic from all over? Why aren't they HERE? Either no such race has evolved, they have but are unnoticeable to us, they haven't colonized here (by odd luck or very environmentally conscious aliens, maybe), or we are the result. >> When Timothy Leary first proposed that the mutant extropian gene seems to travel west and northward, he started from Thailand, where metallurgy got a foothold. Then I started thinking about what is south and east of Thailand. And what is south of that continent. Hmmmmmm. Mammals, marsupials, continental drift and the Mythos origins of mankind. Mark McFadden Lives on the West Coast and posts to a list in the Pacific Northwest. Next stop Vancouver? Or do I just quantum leap to Siberia, the New Frontier? From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 3:21 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Making Karotechia more powerful In a message dated 00-04-20 13:38:05 EDT, you write: << SANTIAGO - An international congress of Nazi organizations held in secret this week despite its prohibition by the Chilean government was closed today. >> Good thing the press was covering *all the violence* at the IMF protests, huh? Mark McFadden Just loves the way the world reorganizes itself *as if* the cigar-chompers and CSMs are planning this all from a Star Chamber. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 3:32 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RoE SPOILERS In a message dated 00-04-20 15:34:30 EDT, you write: << (If Blofeld could keep coming back for each sequel, no matter how certain 007 was that he'd killed him, then so can ADAM!) >> ADAM took a tip from Dennis\Denise (his protege) and is now in E Cell with some new cover ID. Goes by the name of Eva Geblumenkraft now. Hail Eris! Here comes the Calvary. You have nothing to lose but your chain of command. And now for a on-the-spot report on the doings at FBI HQ: "Arf!" Thanks Spot. Back to you, Consensus Reality. Mark McFadden Next up: Evelyn, a modified dog Abort, Retry, Fail?