From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 4:32 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Deep One Society, above the surface On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Davide Mana wrote: > > Some know it's coming, others are taken by surprise. Some live in a > >community that supports the transformation, what about those who don't? > > Silly idea of the week - considering this is the age on information, what > about a Help Group for people undergoing the DO mutation, publicized on the > web and on specialist newspapers? This idea become less silly if their condition is misdiagnosed due to either deliberate action by cultists (damn those cult dermatologists!) or legit doctors misled by NWI funded research. For that matter, the support group is probably a fiction maintained by the Cult of Transcendence. > [very unpolitically correct idea - maybe all the deranged guys out there > are just poor hybrid bastards with not enough DO blood to trigger the full > metamorphosis.] All? No. Many? Probably not. Some? Sure. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 4:38 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Deep One Society, above the surface On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, James Holloway wrote: > We know that the DO don't do such a wonderful job tracking their hybrids... > why is that? Do they just not care? Is there a reason why they should? The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 4:43 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Deep One Society, above the surface Cheers! For me this is the last round of the day, but I want to give witness (not that it's needed, of course) that the Man in Black _got it_. >> We know that the DO don't do such a wonderful job tracking their hybrids... >> why is that? Do they just not care? > >Is there a reason why they should? Exactly! The hybrid that reaches the sea on its own strenght shows potential. Those that do not make it are not worth bothering. Deep One psychology? Think salmons. Good night! Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 4:52 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Deep One Society, above the surface ----- Original Message ----- From: Davide Mana > >Perhaps there are isolated inland > >communities that circle a buried DO city, now stranded in say, the Pyrenees? > > And I wonder just why the Pyrenees.... ;> > > > The people living around it might look mostly like the other residents > >(except for little things like earlobes), but the other residents know that > >something about their neighbors just ain't right, and they don't want their > >daughters marrying any. These folk, hearing the voice of the city from the > >ground, might have an entire DO-type culture going on in the woods, > >worshipping a mound and perhaps being picked up as worshippers by more > sylvan > >deities. Shubby would of course be a natural what with the DO obsession with > >spreading their genes. > ---- **** ---- Right. Turn this round. Suppose *all* human beings have a trace of Deep One blood? Suppose it was genetic interaction with the DO that made us intelligent in the first place? ---- **** ---- A possible scenario. Go back to the idea of seashore hominids getting ambushed by some Elder Race biotech toy that was supposed to help decadent members of the Elder Race adapt to sea life. They get the metabolic tricks you need to live undersea and a boost in intelligence besides. Some go undersea. Others start to war with and enslave their conspecifics - and their stock hybridises until it creates a new race that becomes dominant on land. It only has about 3 to 5% of DO heritage but that makes it smart, hairless, fat, good at swimming and goggle-eyed. This "hybrid" is homo sapiens. It spreads out from Africa, eliminating all other hominid populations. ---- **** ---- So much for defending humanity from hybridisation with monsters! If this is true, they are the advanced stock, we are the degenerate half-breeds! For all we know they see their interbreeding with us as a mission of mercy. They want to fuck us into a state where we will: - be immortal - escape the End Times - come into true harmony with the Universe ---- **** ---- Have we made an awful mistake? No. They want us as servitors of Cthulhu - and what is harmony and life to them is death to us. But, I do wonder if that is how they see it. It seems just the sort of joke the Universe would play. The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 4:56 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Deep One Society, above the surface On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 MacMourna@aol.com wrote: > < smelling, sea-obsessed weirdos after all. >> > > I do not think a Deep One, if it felt so inclined, would worry about seducing > a young man or woman. They could use certain magic spells to get what they > needed, and barring that, would not be above rape. Wrong, and for all the wrong reasons. Hybrid Deep Ones brushing the dust of fallow Iowa off their shoulders, drifting toward the big city and the slumbering ocean are not the sort to commit crimes like rape. Unless it's in an accidental manner like Frankenstein's monster tragically tossing the cute little girl into the drink. They certainly wouldn't have any magic spells, only dissonant dreams to haunt their memories. These Hybrids are big time losers, the shabby people forced under our notice. They are not villains big and bold, Orks unleashed, but rather quiet symbols of the failure of humanity. Their long march to the sea shows us that only the mysteries of the ocean can keep promises of awakening. No masters these, but adepts to the Fate of us all. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 5:00 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: The Wolrd Ends...When? (was Re: DG: Re: Hoyle) On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Andy Robertson wrote: > 1) "The cruel empire of Tsan-Chan, which is to come in 5000 AD" But not the cruel *human* empire of the Tsan-Chan, which I use as Mortal Kombat :) But that's me. > 2) "Nug-Soth, a magician of the dark conquerors of 16,000 AD" But not a human magician, or dark human conquerors, unless I'm missing something. I hope you don't think this way when particles are blowing up. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Graeme Price [graemep@immagene.mcg.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 5:34 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Deep One Society, above the surface McFadden lunged and the MiB parried with.... >> He leaves his genes scattered among prostitutes and farm girls and bar >>maids >> and goes home, perhaps determined to move to California on the GI Bill. The >> state of contraception being what it was at the time, you could have 2 or 3 >> bastard demi-DOs, unaware of their heritage, and USC coeds on the horizon. > >I presume that some kind of "critical mass" of Deep One genes is needed. >This explains why we haven't all turned into Deep Ones by now. We might >want to look at Dogs and Mutts to get some examples. Of course, this opens >the door for deliberate breeding. Maybe creepy Deep Ones just don't get >laid. They are ugly, fishy smelling, sea-obsessed weirdos after all. Or not. Remember they Iook normal until the change... _then_ they become the ugly fishy-smelling weirdoes. As far as DO genes spreading into the population goes (incidentally, if the "DO gene/s" spreads far enough then sooner or later it will start to reemerge as an increasingly common trait in the population as a whole - it's a form of complicated random backcrossing with very large generation numbers... oops. Slipped into technical mode there for a second), I believe we have discussed it on the list before and I'm sure _someone_ has written _something_ about it in some DG-supplement or other.... Of course, perhaps I'm imagining it (or more likely no one read it... he said basking in self pity. This is the reason why us scientists go mad and are filled with hate and loathing for the world you know!). Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 5:37 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: The Wolrd Ends...When? (was Re: DG: Re: Hoyle) ----- Original Message ----- From: The Man in Black > > > 1) "The cruel empire of Tsan-Chan, which is to come in 5000 AD" > > But not the cruel *human* empire of the Tsan-Chan, which I use as Mortal > Kombat :) But that's me. > > > 2) "Nug-Soth, a magician of the dark conquerors of 16,000 AD" > > But not a human magician, or dark human conquerors, unless I'm missing > something. The whole passage goes something like this. It's on page 395 of the Arkham House edition of THE DUNWICH HORROR. "Of earthly minds there were some from the winged, star-headed .....Antarctica .. the reptile people of Valusia ... .. TchTchos... .. arachnids... ....five from the hardy coleopterous species following mankind .... .... and several from different branches of humanity. "I talked with the mind of Yiang-li, a philosopher from the cruel empire of Tsan-Chan, which is to come in 5,000 AD; with that of a general of the great-headed brown people who held South Africa in 50,000 BC; with that of a twelth-century Florentine monk named Bartolomeo Corsi; with that of a king of Lomar who had ruled that terrible polar land one hundred thousand years before the squat, yellow Inutos came from the west to engulf it. "I talked with the mind of Nug-Soth, a magician of the dark conquerors of 16,000AD; with that of a Roman named Titus Semproneus Blaesus; ......... ... And with so many others ..... It's clear from the explicit statement "different branches of humanity" that all the examples in the last two paragraphs are human. The theme of the passage is to produce a tremendous effect of *scale*, by 1) first of all showing the tiny scale of our earth within the universe; 2) then by setting forth the trivial history of our species, one of countless other earthly species; 3) then by nesting the short history of our society inside a range of other human societies, from 50,000 BC to 16000 AD. The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of box_nine@ix.netcom.com Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 5:39 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: CultNet One thing that people sometimes forget is that cultists, unless they're the "Would you like to buy a flower?" types, have day jobs. Imagine an enterprising IT sort, say in Los Angeles, developing a FreeNet to distribute cult rituals, text of the Revelations of the Book of Glaaki, etc. Come to think of it, in some ways this reminds me of FidoNet. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-1765097.html?tag=st.cn.1. Steven From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jeffrey Moeller [jsm@akimmlaw.com] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 5:41 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Deep One Society, above the surface--LUMLEY RULZ! Arrgh, I can't resist anymore--must do a run-in--- S P O I L E R S P A C E All these posts about Deep One Psychology, do they give a crap about their hybrids & if so under what circumstances, could anyone be wandering around with Deep One DNA, how does the whole hybrid thing work anyway, do they recruit hybrids or just let them "salmon on down," etc. are discussed in that most excellent novel-length tour de force, "Return of the Deep Ones," proudly authored by the MiBs secret love child, BRIAN LUMLEY!!!! Now adaptable for DG! It's perfectly obvious to me that all of the "Lumley SUX!" crew on the list have actually read this story several times and just won't admit it :-O Jeff Moeller-is just having a little fun, now. (about to be a father again any day now, hmmmm.....) ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Robertson To: Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 1:51 PM Subject: Re: DG: Deep One Society, above the surface > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Davide Mana > > >Perhaps there are isolated inland > > >communities that circle a buried DO city, now stranded in say, the > Pyrenees? > > > > And I wonder just why the Pyrenees.... ;> > > > > > The people living around it might look mostly like the other residents > > >(except for little things like earlobes), but the other residents know > that > > >something about their neighbors just ain't right, and they don't want > their > > >daughters marrying any. These folk, hearing the voice of the city from > the > > >ground, might have an entire DO-type culture going on in the woods, > > >worshipping a mound and perhaps being picked up as worshippers by more > > sylvan > > >deities. Shubby would of course be a natural what with the DO obsession > with > > >spreading their genes. > > > > ---- **** ---- > > > Right. Turn this round. > > Suppose *all* human beings have a trace of Deep One blood? > > Suppose it was genetic interaction with the DO that made us intelligent in > the first place? > > > ---- **** ---- > > > A possible scenario. Go back to the idea of seashore hominids getting > ambushed by some Elder Race biotech toy that was supposed to help decadent > members of the Elder Race adapt to sea life. > > They get the metabolic tricks you need to live undersea and a boost in > intelligence besides. > > Some go undersea. > > Others start to war with and enslave their conspecifics - and their stock > hybridises until it creates a new race that becomes dominant on land. > > It only has about 3 to 5% of DO heritage but that makes it smart, hairless, > fat, good at swimming and goggle-eyed. > > This "hybrid" is homo sapiens. > > It spreads out from Africa, eliminating all other hominid populations. > > > ---- **** ---- > > > So much for defending humanity from hybridisation with monsters! If this > is true, they are the advanced stock, we are the degenerate half-breeds! > > For all we know they see their interbreeding with us as a mission of mercy. > > They want to fuck us into a state where we will: > > - be immortal > - escape the End Times > - come into true harmony with the Universe > > > ---- **** ---- > > > Have we made an awful mistake? No. They want us as servitors of Cthulhu - > and what is harmony and life to them is death to us. > > But, I do wonder if that is how they see it. > > It seems just the sort of joke the Universe would play. > > > > The Glove Cleaner > From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 6:37 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Deep One Society, above the surface--LUMLEY RULZ! ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey Moeller > that most excellent novel-length tour de force, "*********************" > proudly authored by the MiBs secret love child, BRIAN LUMLEY!!!! Now > adaptable for DG! > It's perfectly obvious to me that all of the "Lumley SUX!" crew on the list > have actually read this story several times and just won't admit it :-O I haven't read it. But I will. The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Qstor@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 7:10 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Newbie says hi and asks 2 questions :) Hi all! I'm running a GURPS Delta green game in the Washington DC area. Its just starting up and I had a 2 questions. 1.Does anyone use Psi powers in Delta Green? CoC is pretty ritual magic based and I assume it has no place for Psi powers. 2. Anyone running GURPS DG use G:Vodoo as their magic system as opposed to G: Magic? Thanks all! Mike From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 8:40 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Spike!! In a message dated 00-04-27 16:54:16 EDT, you write: << Q: What's long and hard and black and full of semen? A: The Man in Black. >> So *that's* where I left it. Man, I must have been drunker than I thought. Mark McFadden Doesn't need it back, thangyouverramuch. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Til Eulenspiegel [duggerj@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 8:57 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Unearthly threads from above... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Go to your local library and check back back issues of Aviation Week for details of the anti-power plant weapons used by USAF in recent bombings. If you heard this story recently, it might be that the glass-aluminum (not carbon fiber) threads used by these specialized bombs were transformed by rumor and hearsay into the story you report. [snip] > This reminds me of a scare story circulating in Bosnia during the > 93/94 conflict. It was exactly the same, that the Serbs were > dropping bizarre threads or webs onto Croat and Moslem towns. > Anyone know what this stuff is? > > JT -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOQpBW4J4fAzAb7AFEQKtRgCg4gapjnAWaJAuj+UKgEokrHLqGAgAoNTO Pj7Xhfa1mF3JnubBNW1aoBNC =cyiE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 9:01 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Deep One Society, above the surface In a message dated 00-04-27 18:35:07 EDT, you write: << I believe we have discussed it on the list before and I'm sure _someone_ has written _something_ about it in some DG-supplement or other.... Of course, perhaps I'm imagining it (or more likely no one read it... he said basking in self pity. This is the reason why us scientists go mad and are filled with hate and loathing for the world you know!). >> Yeah, I saw some Dr. Epsomsalt or something going on and on and on, on Phenomenon-X or Sightings or something, but I flipped the channel to watch, I don't know, Xena or something. Now that's entertainment, boy, give me some moon-faced Amazon with a significant girl other, toss in a few stick fights, a little yodeling and I'm *there* dude. Woohoo, good thing there are commercials so I can reload. Where was I? Oh yes, were we supposed to read that stuff? I thought that was for like *deep background* or something, I'm still waiting for the version with pictures and buttons to push and shit. Mark McFadden These scientists, you know? Like it's *our* fault that we don't read that stuff. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Philip A Posehn [paposehn@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 9:00 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Newbie says hi and asks 2 questions :) I used Voudoun as an adjunct to Mythos magic in a New Orleans campaign a while back. Didn't use voodoo mgic that much. I had one of the players posessed by Papa Legbe for a brief time as a kick start to the campaign. Papa didn't like the mythos screwing with His believers. I know it's not exactly cannon, but it was lots of fun. one or two of the players assumed it was another avatar of Nyarlathothep. I kept it ambiguous as long as possible and got lots of mileage out of the debate over wheather or not it was a devious trap by N. Phil On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:10:23 EDT Qstor@aol.com writes: > Hi all! > > I'm running a GURPS Delta green game in the Washington DC area. Its > just > starting up and I had a 2 questions. > > 2. Anyone running GURPS DG use G:Vodoo as their magic system as > opposed to G: > Magic? > > Thanks all! > Mike > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 9:12 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Deep One Society, above the surface In a message dated 00-04-27 18:35:07 EDT, you write: << incidentally, if the "DO gene/s" spreads far enough then sooner or later it will start to reemerge as an increasingly common trait in the population as a whole - it's a form of complicated random backcrossing with very large generation numbers... oops. Slipped into technical mode there for a second) >> Increasingly common traits like relative hairlessness? Loss of prehensile toes? Mark McFadden From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Til Eulenspiegel [duggerj@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 9:21 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Bronsons on tour? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > The Man in Black is : not involved, we use UFO's and holographic > choppers. UFOs? Holographic helicopters? What happened to solitons in the local morphogenetic field? Are you going traditionalist? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOQpHFIJ4fAzAb7AFEQKZUgCbB9izCQvfxkyMB+MKdzu/jtLyogQAoP5N lapVgsRBIsej/nOE1Y2eOb2x =2aki -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of R. Hyrum Savage [hyrum@otherworlds.cx] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 9:46 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: RE: Newbie says hi and asks 2 questions :) We did something similar to a GURPS DG game a couple years back and used GURPS Voodoo. It's *amazingly* better than the standard GURPS Magic which IMHO is really dry and has absolutely no flavor. -----Original Message----- From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com [mailto:owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com]On Behalf Of Qstor@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 5:10 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Newbie says hi and asks 2 questions :) Hi all! I'm running a GURPS Delta green game in the Washington DC area. Its just starting up and I had a 2 questions. 1.Does anyone use Psi powers in Delta Green? CoC is pretty ritual magic based and I assume it has no place for Psi powers. 2. Anyone running GURPS DG use G:Vodoo as their magic system as opposed to G: Magic? Thanks all! Mike From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Til Eulenspiegel [duggerj@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 9:51 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: Re:DG: Spell Changes -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 [snip] > SOme time back, we called for people to post something like this, > to add some "oomph" to the dry spell descriptions. Lots of spells > ought to have things like "eat the flesh off the sacrifice's face > with you own teeth." But the thread, after some initial enthusiasm, > died out. Too bad. [snip] Hey! I did my part. Seriously though, what other DGML projects like this one slipped through the cracks for want of attention, reminders, and nagging? The long-awaited t-shirt springs to mind, but I'm sure others exist. Does DGML need a project co-ordinator to track group efforts? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOQpN9oJ4fAzAb7AFEQIWtACg4q78LHZ0gxIkG+bOq7wBY3XzhCsAniyW zhH6uHi43cPVArKlNxrNPn6L =GV0B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 9:51 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: The Wolrd Ends...When? (was Re: DG: Re: Hoyle) On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Andy Robertson wrote: > It's clear from the explicit statement "different branches of humanity" that > all the examples in the last two paragraphs are human. I could quibble about the Inutos, but won't. The rest seems to follow from the story however. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 10:03 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Deep One Society, above the surface--LUMLEY RULZ! Jeffrey Moeller, a moron who cannot trim quotes ran into the steel chair and wrote: > Arrgh, I can't resist anymore--must do a run-in--- [Non-SPOILER SPOILER SPACE REDACTED] > It's perfectly obvious to me that all of the "Lumley SUX!" crew on the list > have actually read this story several times and just won't admit it :-O How can you say if something sux or not unless you've read it? What is this lack of logic? Ah, well. What can you expect from 10 pounds of Monkey-Crap in a 5 pound bag? The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 10:11 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Newbie says hi and asks 2 questions :) Qstor@aol.com, you ignorant slut: > 1.Does anyone use Psi powers in Delta Green? CoC is pretty ritual magic based > and I assume it has no place for Psi powers. Yes, yes I do. > 2. Anyone running GURPS DG use G:Vodoo as their magic system as opposed to G: > Magic? No. No, I do not. And now for a brief lesson in nettiquette which is completely unrelated to your post: 1. Do not Poll (ask questions to get a popularity result) from mailing lists and newsgroups. 2. Do not Troll (ask stupid questions designed to yank people's chains). 3. Lurk until you know about things like the ICE CAVE and the DGML archives. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Til Eulenspiegel [duggerj@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 10:15 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: My Funeral -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 [snip] > We all started small. Perhaps one inciteful observation a day, or > such. Why I can remember back when the MiB's entire posts were > just random slaps at the [nogistalgia filter==1] Why yes, and I remember when I thought someone else on this list would learn to use PGP. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOQpTpIJ4fAzAb7AFEQIlRACdGnICFkvDwT9mR+GlCJp6sk42fZwAoNf2 o7aFpXUCQ4ktUbTkQT6C497j =McVA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 10:16 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Bronsons on tour? On Fri, 28 Apr 2000, Til Eulenspiegel wrote: > UFOs? Holographic helicopters? What happened to solitons in the local > morphogenetic field? Are you going traditionalist? The two are identical as far as laymen are concerned. The Man in Black is : not old school or new school, but no school. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Napoleon48@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 10:17 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Newbie says hi and asks 2 questions :) <<<<<>>>>> Actually, Delta Green: Countdown has Psychic powers. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 10:28 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Newbie says hi and asks 2 questions :) On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, R. Hyrum Savage wrote: > We did something similar to a GURPS DG game a couple years back and used > GURPS Voodoo. It's *amazingly* better than the standard GURPS Magic which > IMHO is really dry and has absolutely no flavor. At the risk of dragging far off topic, that is exactly the point. GURPS Magic is only mechanics, all the local flavor must be provided by the background. For example, I use GURPS Magic for Jorune's Dyshas. In my three different fantasy worlds I have devised a complicated system of Pure and Hybrid forms that take a paragraph or two to describe the rules. Of course, the descriptions of how the forms combine, the effects on the astral and ethereal, social uses (who casts what form) and so on, takes a lot more time to read. As for what to use in GURPS DG, I prefer Cthulhupunk. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of EdDrWho@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 10:44 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Newbie says hi and asks 2 questions :) In a message dated 4/27/00 10:31:00 PM Central Daylight Time, mib@cyberspace.org writes: > As for what to use in GURPS DG I'm getting ready to run a GURPS DG game soon; my players are all gunfondlers, so I'm issuing them with pregenerated characters for what I've told them is a normal FBI game. I can hardly wait for that first surprise fright check. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Bodezilla [bodezilla@erols.com] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 10:42 PM To: strange-aeons@chaosium.com; Delta Green Subject: DG: Ugandan Cult Mass Suicide/Murders - Sounds like campaign material to me This story about the cult in Uganda seems to have the makings of a great campaign. Anyone have any thoughts on the subject? They still haven't located Joseph "The Prophet" Kibwetere or the other five cult leaders. Here's the latest on the story: KAMPALA, Uganda (AP) -- Police and firemen wearing protective clothing dug up 55 more bodies Thursday from a house outside the Ugandan capital once rented to a leader of a doomsday cult blamed for the deaths of hundreds f people, an eyewitness said. Police spokesman Eric Naigambi, who was not allowed inside the fenced-off compound because he did not have protective clothing, said police would issue a statement later. The grisly discovery in Ggaba, five kilometers (three miles) south of Kampala, came a month after authorities had dug up hundreds more bodies from under the floorboards and in the yards of leaders of the Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments. The deaths of what authorities said were 530 people in a March 17 fire in the cult's compound in Kanugu in southwestern Uganda were first believed to be a mass suicide. But after the other bodies were discovered, authorities began to speak of mass murder. Earlier Thursday, Interior Minister Edward Rugumayo was grilled by legislators on the conditions under which 50 unprotected, barefoot prisoners had dug up the other bodies in several villages in southwestern Uganda. He said because of the difficult conditions under which they worked, some of the prisoners were suffering from post traumatic stress syndrome. He said he had been misquoted earlier as saying the prisoners had gone mad. Accounts of the total number of dead vary between 779 and more than 900. Police later said efforts to exhume more bodies from other suspected graves had been put off until proper equipment, including gloves, had been received Be seeing you, Amanda "God is dead." "Nietzsche is dead." --Friedrich Nietzsche --God Be seeing you, Amanda "God is dead." "Nietzsche is dead." --Friedrich Nietzsche --God From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Daniel Harms [dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 11:39 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: The Wolrd Ends...When? (was Re: DG: Re: Hoyle) At 10:17 PM 4/27/2000 +0100, you wrote: >In "the Shadow Out Of Time" there are clear references to >1) "The cruel empire of Tsan-Chan, which is to come in 5000 AD" >2) "Nug-Soth, a magician of the dark conquerors of 16,000 AD" >Unless you consider these cultures to be part of a "gradual Endtimes", (a >defensible position, I think) there is some time yet . . The reason I didn't include Tsan-Chan or beyond is that, unlike the more recent two, there's nothing to assure us that these events involve humans. They could, of course, but having guys by the name of "Pickman Carter" and "Neville Kingston-Brown" from the earlier eras puts us on more sure footing there. Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu The Internet: Learn what you know. Share what you don't. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jason R. Armstrong [gerwalkveritech@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 11:39 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: My Funeral On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:08:21 -0400 (EDT) The Man in Black writes: Goddamn it, stop being so mean. And stop tormenting Mr. Harms. He has enough problems, what with his internment in Buffalo and all. Do you realize, you EVIL HAWAIIAN FUCK:), that we Buffalonians are celebrating spring, but were dealing with SNOW up until about two weeks ago? At night, it still goes down to about 36 Fahrenheit, but we're all acting like it's a tropical paradise...because, for HERE, it IS. Given the givens, it's a wonder I don't just switch over to Ithaqa worship...but I digress, this was supposed to be a defense of, um, someone else. Or a tirade against meanness. Or something. You keep calling Harms a dork. But you forget, your MAGE stuff is all online. I've read it. So have others. Heee hee. Pot. Kettle. Black. Ahhh, hell. I'm so tired, and this post is late, and I've got final projects and I'm pretending I've got something to say and I don't fuckity-fuck. xJAYx >I better start making a list of the top offenders. What's Daniel >Harms' >address again? I can see it now: > > : "Candygram" > > : "Ooooh! Candy!" > > : POOF~! > > : "Cough! Hack! Choke!" > >The Man in Black is : not well at all. >Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum >"Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead >http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Daniel Harms [dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 12:00 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com; dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: The Wolrd Ends...When? (was Re: DG: Re: Hoyle) At 12:39 PM 4/27/2000 -0400, Daniel Harms wrote: >The reason I didn't include Tsan-Chan or beyond is that, unlike the >more recent two, there's nothing to assure us that these events involve >humans. They could, of course, but having guys by the name of >"Pickman Carter" and "Neville Kingston-Brown" from the earlier >eras puts us on more sure footing there. However, I do accept the later statement that this was from one of the branches of humanity. So I refute myself, thus destroying my reputation for infallibility. Ah well. Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu The Internet: Learn what you know. Share what you don't. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Daniel Harms [dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 12:00 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com; dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: The Wolrd Ends...When? (was Re: DG: Re: Hoyle) At 12:39 PM 4/27/2000 -0400, Daniel Harms wrote: >The reason I didn't include Tsan-Chan or beyond is that, unlike the >more recent two, there's nothing to assure us that these events involve >humans. They could, of course, but having guys by the name of >"Pickman Carter" and "Neville Kingston-Brown" from the earlier >eras puts us on more sure footing there. However, I do accept the later statement that this was from one of the branches of humanity. So I refute myself, thus destroying my reputation for infallibility. Ah well. Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu The Internet: Learn what you know. Share what you don't.