From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 5:58 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Mi-Go Filing System (was: Re: DG: Ugandan Cult Mass Suicide/Murders...) On 30 April, 2000 AD (as Earth Humans measure dates), The Man in Black had this to say: >On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, Michael Layne wrote: > > > I was somehow under the impression that by preference you were >handling > > these cases in alphabetical order, regardless of how far throughout the > > Multiverse you had to travel or communicate to do so...:) > >How would you know, you weak kneed, impotent, unwashable vermin? I find >you to be a veritable cornucopia of moral ineptitude and witless flabby >excrement. I just thought you'd like to know that before you went. > Thanks! I really appreciate all the vast trouble you must go to, in order to keep these names properly filed, and access each being through cyberspace in exactly the appropriate order... By the way, I know we're all curious about the details of your filing system, so we can try to guess who might be next... My guess is that Buzz handles your insult schedule, alphabetizing the items in Mi-Go, using starkly nonhuman filing parameters. (I think I know of one or two people in offices where my Lady or I have worked, who do that on a regular basis, and they don't have the excuse of being nonhuman...) And (ObDG) do the Mi-Go have an alphabet, or do they have some other way of keeping permanent records? What do they write things down on? (At the temperatures we find on Yuggoth, water is a mineral...) Do Mi-Go really buy all their chocolate on Earth? What do Mi-Go drink on their coffee breaks? Do Mi-Go Administrative Assistants try to make themselves as indispensable to their supervisors as do their Human counterparts? Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Nick Brownlow [stabernide@netscape.net] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 6:00 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: [Re: DG: Re: Pagoda] >Ah. That would be Dungeons and Starships opposite the Coach Station >then.... unless you mean the Virgin MegaStore (seriously, I went into the >latter once and tried to buy one but they claimed to be out of stock. >Bait >and Switch, that's what I call it...). There would seem to be a nasty >case >of coincidence going on here. >Confused yet? I know *exactly* what you're talking about. Regarding your earlier Bournville post- Toytown man, totally toytown. On the subject of Erdington- you're a braver person than I am. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 6:06 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Amber Room On Mon, 1 May 2000 21:22:36 +0100, you wrote: >Given the recent return of pieces of the Amber Room of Tsar Peter the Great by the Germans to the Russians, one has to wonder what might be in the chest from the room. Any thoughts? > >[For more information, go to the BBC news/Europe site and do a search on Amber Room.] Or try this URL: http://news2.thls.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid%5F729000/729115.stm And to add more DGness to all this, check out Ken Hite's recent article on the Amber Room at Pyramid Online, if you're a subscriber*: http://www.sjgames.com/pyramid/login/article.cgi?1471 Gil Trevizo furrylogic@mindspring.com * which every self-respecting DG Keeper should be, for Hite's Suppressed Transmissions alone. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Louise Hayes [Pandora@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 5:57 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: FAQ it. -----Original Message----- From: Davide Mana To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Date: 01 May 2000 22:17 Subject: Re: DG: FAQ it. >Gretings. > >Pookie (welcome on board - judging from your sig we share some interests) Cool. More to do/add once I get a web site of my own - www.phooka.com >wrote > >>>Q: What is the ICE CAVE? >> >>And add the URL. > >I'll put the URLs, yes, but I'll limit the number of sites recommended as >'required reading to avoid blunders'. >I mean - there's an awful lot of DG-related sites on the web. >Lots of them are excellent. >But we need a minimum of required reading - we can't a ask a newcomer to >spend fifty hours on the web just to check all the sites. > Which was my point. The FAQ has to be of use. > >>How a list of reccomended reading on the FAQ - or a link to one? > >Same as the above - both delta-green.com and the Cave contain extensive >reading matter listings, and even links to places where reading matter can >be downloaded for free. > Which is good, but how about just listing the basics...? >But there's some good in the suggestion, so we could at least plug the >Penguiin Edition of HPL's works, adding the explanation that this is the >first time the Master gets listed as Literature. > Have yet to read it myself - sometimes these books don't escape the clutches of my partner for months. >We will heavily hint that _obviously_ subscribers are familiar with the >whole Pagan back-catalog. > >And this is it. >Thanks for the suggestions, and my compliments for having the courage of >dissecting the MiB's post. > Somebody has to do it! And I have tangled with him before on the Jorune mailing list. -- Pookie (Pookie@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk) "Don't take your pineal gland for granted. Pamper it! Essential Oils! Rubdowns! It could save your ass someday." - Tlg'manh, Unspeakable Oath 14/15 See http://www.chorazin.org.uk/pookie/ for GURPS: Jorune, Luther Arkwright, 2300AD, Rally Cry!, Strikeforce Morituri, Xenozoic Tales & Black Kiss NOTE: Posted via my girlfriend's e-mail service. She's Pandora. I'm the above. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Louise Hayes [Pandora@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 5:53 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Amber Room Louise Hayes schrieb: > Given the recent return of pieces of the Amber Room of Tsar Peter the Great > by the Germans to the Russians, one has to wonder what might be in the chest > from the room. Any thoughts? Probably it might even be more interesting to check out the pieces of art our government received in exchange for these valuable things from the amber room. Might be objects of art looted from Karotechia vaults during the Red Army's raid on Berlin. Interesting. Although I suspect that SV-8 would go out of its way to prevent certain things going back... Of course it could be that Karotechia is pulling strings to get these items out as Russia just happens to be a little too hot for old Reinhardt Galt right now. Which leads me onto another thought... Given the rash of art theft in Europe by organised crime to pay for drug shipements, what if the art might occasionally be mythos atrefacts/tomes? They could still be for drug payments, but actually being funnelled back through to Karotechia. Or has someone done that idea already? > > [For more information, go to the BBC news/Europe site and do a search on > Amber Room.] Or the Spiegel-Online site for those speaking German. -- Pookie (Pookie@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk) "Don't take your pineal gland for granted. Pamper it! Essential Oils! Rubdowns! It could save your ass someday." - Tlg'manh, Unspeakable Oath 14/15 See http://www.chorazin.org.uk/pookie/ for GURPS: Jorune, Luther Arkwright, 2300AD, Rally Cry!, Strikeforce Morituri, Xenozoic Tales & Black Kiss NOTE: Posted via my girlfriend's e-mail service. She's Pandora. I'm the above. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Louise Hayes [Pandora@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 5:46 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Pagoda -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Price To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Date: 01 May 2000 22:57 Subject: Re: DG: Re: Pagoda >Louise (welcome) wrote in response to my good self: > >>>(who is tempted to put a DG spin on the case of the missing british >>>computer programmer living in NYC whose body was found yesterday in a New >>>Jersey swamp. He had apparently been abducted by someone [supposedly >>>working for his former lover] claiming to be an FBI agent. Does this sound >>>like the MO for ANDREA to anyone else?) >>> >>Actually, he comes from the area I've just moved into - Erdington in >>Birmingham. Further, he was a regular at the local games shop in town. > >Ah. That would be Dungeons and Starships opposite the Coach Station >then.... unless you mean the Virgin MegaStore (seriously, I went into the >latter once and tried to buy one but they claimed to be out of stock. Bait >and Switch, that's what I call it...). There would seem to be a nasty case >of coincidence going on here. > That's the one. The lady who works in there is very nice - is a gamer and knows her stuff. Unlike one London store I used to go to... Anyway, Virgin no longer do any RPG stuff... Just the dribs and drabs they're can't get rid off... But I veer dangerously off topic... So I think I'll go play 'Medal of Honour' until my partner gets sick of the sound of gun fire and me shouting, "Dance, Nazi, dance!" as I machince gun them to death... -- Pookie (Pookie@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk) "Don't take your pineal gland for granted. Pamper it! Essential Oils! Rubdowns! It could save your ass someday." - Tlg'manh, Unspeakable Oath 14/15 See http://www.chorazin.org.uk/pookie/ for GURPS: Jorune, Luther Arkwright, 2300AD, Rally Cry!, Strikeforce Morituri, Xenozoic Tales & Black Kiss NOTE: Posted via my girlfriend's e-mail service. She's Pandora. I'm the above. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Louise Hayes [Pandora@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 6:02 PM To: Delta Green List; Chris Pencis Subject: Re: Re: DG: FAQ it. Don't want to complain, but I did trim. But, if it's not enough. My apologies. Ooh, and I should explain that I'm using my girlfriend's e-mail service. Hence the different signature file. Another question, I'm an inveterate reviewer... If I have to write one for something CoC/DG related, anybody going to complain? -----Original Message----- From: Chris Pencis To: Pandora@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk Date: 01 May 2000 22:10 Subject: Fwd: Re: DG: FAQ it. Louise....Louise..... please... please... get out the scissors and trim your replies .... please? I'm afraid you might get a lot of flack on this one. amen on your suggestions however. Chris Louise Hayes wrote: -- Pookie (Pookie@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk) "Don't take your pineal gland for granted. Pamper it! Essential Oils! Rubdowns! It could save your ass someday." - Tlg'manh, Unspeakable Oath 14/15 See http://www.chorazin.org.uk/pookie/ for GURPS: Jorune, Luther Arkwright, 2300AD, Rally Cry!, Strikeforce Morituri, Xenozoic Tales & Black Kiss From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 6:21 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: PARADISE ISLAND On Mon, 1 May 2000 LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > Just let me believe it all worked out and everyone is cool about it now. I'm > begging you here. OK, then you go out into South African slums. But crime is hardly the problem, it's Debt Service that the IMF keeps rolling the third world through that keeps the poverty level so high. You'll notice the IMF is doing the same thing to Russia now. Probably an unwise thing to do to a country with nuclear weapons. Say, did somebody say South Africa? The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 6:31 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Inside the Deep Ones On Mon, 1 May 2000, Andy Robertson wrote: > No but we do have Sea Cucumbers. These live at depths of up to 3 km and > eat sea muck. Their shit is more compacted mud without the organic goo. > Maybe if you add a little biotech you can teach them to shit stuff that > hardens like a plastic, concretion bacteria, and so on. The biotech doesn't even have to be that advanced. You could just culture the dung naturally like yogurt or something. Some surgery to remove the venomous goo spitting organ would probably be needed to avoid high concentrations of toxins in the bricklaying factory. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 6:38 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Inside the Deep Ones On Mon, 1 May 2000, Graeme Price wrote: > The problem to my mind is the level of internal (not to mention external) > re-arrangement that this hypothesis entails. The gil-filaments in the neck > hypothesis outlined in the Emerson report is simpler from a physiological > view point. But OTOH, if it worked for the Man From Atlantis then I suppose > it's possible. But hang on a moment... perhaps I just dreamt that in the > shower? We can have our cake and eat it too. I don't see why some hybrids go with the neck, while others go with the ribs. Maybe some go both ways, you know, AC/DC. These transformations might take much longer than we puny humans might think, especially when you're dealing with an immortal lifespan, and supposedly unlimited growth. I like the idea someone mentioned about truly ancient Deep Ones mutating into StarSpawn. There was a human scale monstrosity like this in Innsmouth. I would think that the energies needed to make the final transformation is why so much POW is hoarded via sacrifice. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 6:48 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: RE: Inside the Deep Ones On 29 April, 2000 AD, LizardRoi@aol.com says: > I used to (somewhat) jokingly go on about the fact that some sharks never >stop growing. Then I would casually mention that since sperm whales are the >only *known* predators of giant squid, how come we aren't up to our tushes >in >giant squid since the decimation of sperm whales? > Great big honkin' Alfa class sharks, that's why! Cruising the deeps, >occasionally bumping into, oh I don't know, the Thresher? The Scorpion? > > But now, I guess it was great big honkin' Alfa class DOs. Well, one of the Russians' Alfa class SSNs was heavily damaged in a collision with a whale, a number of years ago! Given the above suggestion, maybe it wasn't a whale, but a BIG Deep One? (With background music from both "Hunt for Red October" and "Jaws"?) Maybe, after the damaged Alfa returned to port, the Russians sent some SSNs (or just the Russian whaling fleet?) after said BIG Deep One (which obviously was a Fiendish Capitalist Plot)? Yes, I know it sounds like something from "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" (another series I'm old enough to have caught in the original run), but why should DG and the USN have all the fun? > Incidentally, I have heard from submariners that the USN is in the habit >of >dumping spent fuel rods and such into the Marianas Trench. Could be a sea >story, but it has that certain budget&complications-conscious "who's gonna >know?" bouquet. Doubtful, though... Granted, the floor of the Marianas Trench is one of the more isolated places on Earth at the moment. Its deepest part, the Challenger Deep, at 35,800 feet (some figures suggest 36,200 feet), has been visited by fewer people than have walked on the Moon. The first to descend to the bottom there were Picard and Walsh, in the bathyscaphe "Trieste", in the early 1960s... And in the "Real World", no one has been back since then -- although there are some plans for advanced deep-diving subs that may visit the site before long (and part of the backstory for one of my DG characters had her serve as a crewmember aboard an advanced NUMA deep submersible that descended to the site about 5 years ago!)... And, even down there in the deepest part of Earth's oceans, the "Trieste" photographed life (though not Deep Ones -- that may be too deep for even them)! However... 1. The expenses of safely transporting the fuel rods from even a West Coast defueling location to the Marianas would prevent it from being cost-effective, even for the US military! The Navy would find it considerably less expensive to use the site mentioned in (4) below; 2. For much of the Cold War, even spent nuclear fuel rods were considered a potentially valuable resource, since unused U-235 and small amounts of plutonium were among the various fission products and could be recovered. Reactor output from a given core was decreased more, IIRC, by nuclear waste buildup in the rods over years of operation than by straight U-235 depletion; 3. Greenpeace, once they found out, would never give it a rest; 4. The USN & DOE have a disposal site for the rods (and radioactive components from scrapped subs) within the CONUS, at (IIRC) Brookhaven, Washington. (See the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard website at: http://danshelton.net/psns.htm Be warned, it's a rather depressing site to those who, like me, like the "nuclear wessels"...) Also, check (dare I suggest it?) the Ice Cave, under "Radioactive Deep Ones" for archived discussion on the fate of some of the naval reactors (US & USSR) that did get dumped in the sea, and http://metlab.unc.edu/pub/academic/history/marshall/military/navy/USN_sub_losses.txt for some environmental impact data on the wrecks of the "Thresher" and "Scorpion". Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 7:00 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: CHARACTER DESIGN PHILOSOPHY was Re: DG: Re: Astropalaeobiology On Mon, 1 May 2000, Abel Lindburg wrote: [DILBERTESQUE RANT REDACTED] > Okay. Lets. DG characters can be specialists, being very good at some > skills, and need a team to support them, or can be (as I design them) more > generalist, having the ability to do many things at a fairly okay level. I > don't think either is *better* but a good Keeper needs to know how the team > wants to work. I tend to follow the military staff officer model, as is appropriate for intelligence situations which may break out into violence at any time. This philosophy dictates a firm base of basic skills (and not just combat skills either) with a specialty or two appropriate for the situation. Overgeneralizing characters can be bad if everyone starts looking the same. If every player generalizes, it's best to spread the points around in different areas. Keepers who tend to render their Agents specialties null and void should probably look at the problem a little deeper. Then again, if you took a 99 in Geology you might deserve to tap a psychic hotline for a bit - until the rubes start asking about where to drill and mine next. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 7:12 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: FAQ it. On Mon, 1 May 2000, Louise Hayes wrote: > >Q: What is the ICE CAVE? > > And add the URL. Well, that would be in the "A" part of the Q&A, now wouldn't it? > >1. Before you ask a single solitary question about anything on the Delta > >Green Mailing List, you must first use a variety of search engines to see > >what the major internet sites on the subject have to say. > > > Would it not be more useful to have the main sites listed, along with URL. > The FAQ should be helpful, after all. Shouldn't it? No. There is a web page with all those sites. I suppose the FAQ could link to that. > >3. LURK YOU FREAK~! If you do not lurk for an appreciable period, you will > >be swimming with the sharks, I guarantee it. How did you get a computer > >and learn email operations without enough brains to bother with > >netiquette. This applies to discussion lists and usenet as well, BTW. > > > Please/Thank you. There's netiquette and there's etiquette. I believe in > both. I thought Emily Post was dead. Pushin' up the daisies, restin' in peace, she's singin' in the choir invisible. Her book can die too. The MiB doesn't need to know what side of the dish the fork is on. Come to think of it, who needs a fork or a dish anyway, if ya' smell what I'm cookin'. > How a list of reccomended reading on the FAQ - or a link to one? Yeah, the ICE CAVE has one, along with Music and stuff. It could use some reviews or summaries pointing toward ObDG however. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 7:11 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: RE: Inside the Deep Ones (typos) On 1 May, 2000 AD, "Michael Layne" inserted a couple of typos in a post: > 4. The USN & DOE have a disposal site for the rods (and radioactive >components from scrapped subs) within the CONUS, at (IIRC) Brookhaven, >Washington. (See the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard website at: >http://danshelton.net/psns.htm This one should be (hopefully, I'll get it right this time): http://donshelton.net/psns.htm and >http://metlab.unc.edu/pub/academic/history/marshall/military/navy/USN_sub_losses.txt >for some environmental impact data on the wrecks of the "Thresher" and >"Scorpion". This one should be: http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/history/marshall/military/navy/USN_sub_losses.txt Hopefully, I have typed them in correctly this time! Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 7:26 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Mass Loss? On Mon, 1 May 2000, Robert Thomas wrote: > whereas this mass loss is explained by the accuracy of the > experiment increasing, what if everytime the experiment is run the > figure keeps getting smaller? What could explain the mass loss - > Dimensional Shambler activity increasing The article doesn't give a figure on the mass lost. However, I imagine that there would be so much shambling going on, that it would be hard to turn around without hitting a mass stealing Shambler with your butt if they are the primary explaination for this mass differential. We're talking about a freakin' planet here you know. Even underground, they have to deal with the Cthonians all the way to the core. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 7:29 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: DG FAQ (was New Mi5 facility) On Mon, 1 May 2000, Stephen Joseph Ellis wrote: > Should I be concerned and alert my superiors?" The answer should be yes of course. I don't know about you furriners, but I foresee a bright future in litigation award monies. Steve Jackson Games, here we come! The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Steve Allison [sallison@netcomuk.co.uk] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 7:39 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Inside the Deep Ones Graeme wrote: > This would seem to be Emerson's favoured hypothesis. The gills need not be > positioned in the skull - around the neck is equally possible, and judging > from the artwork available would explain the enlarged neck area (appearing > almost as a goitre). If I recall my biology correctly (dubious after years of neglect) don't we all have gills (the phrase 'pharyngeal gill slits' sticks in my mind) when we are at the earliest stages of embryonic development ? > One thing to consider (and I'm not saying that the idea holds water.... oh > come on! I couldn't resist) is that when we are born, the lungs are filled > with amniotic fluid and that doesn't seem to cause too many problems for > most babies. I like the idea Andy (?) put forward - that hybrids' lungs just start filling up with fluid as they get older. I believe that there are genetic conditions that cause that to happen in real life. Could we posit that humanity and deep ones share a common ancestor? In the past juvenile deep ones could have lived on land (thus avoiding competition with the adult population), and if some stayed there, perhaps interbreeding with higher apes (not so absurd giving DO's propensity for sex outside the species, and recent news that neanderthal man and the proto-homo sapiens may have inteerbred), producing the species known as homo-sapiens. This could explain features such as our hairlessness, affinity for water etc etc. Of course, from time to time people with a large amount of DO genetic heritage will produce children that are closer to DOs than humanity. For the juvenile part of their lives they will be happy on land, but will be drawn to the sea as they enter their adult phase. Steve -- Stephen Allison sallison@netcomuk.co.uk From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Steve Allison [sallison@netcomuk.co.uk] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 8:00 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Amber Room Person masquerading as Louise Hayes wrote: > Which leads me onto another thought... Given the rash of art theft in Europe > by organised crime to pay for drug shipements, what if the art might > occasionally be mythos atrefacts/tomes? Indeedy. Or quite possibly the art itself is of mythos significance. Beyond obvious ruses such as KiY inspired paintings, or portraits of Dorian Grey, paintings feature prominently in some 'real world' conspiracies, noteably the Rennes-le-Chateau mysteries (http://www.rennes-discovery.com/). Paintings clearly have a lot of potential for storing secret information, and are a prime example of secret knowledge hidden in plain sight. Of course, for every 'real' example of a painting holding the key to some part of a mystery there will be hundreds of people completely on the wrong track, convinced of the presence of hidden meanings in a painting when there are none, and the entire affair most likely being the figment of their imagination anyway - which could make a good red-herring for a DG cell to chase for a while. But you all knew this anyway. Steve -- Stephen Allison sallison@netcomuk.co.uk From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 8:06 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: New Mi5 facility On Mon, 1 May 2000, Louise Hayes wrote: > MI5 only disagreed with London Underground's planning permission when a > tunnelling machine bore through the walls of their facility under the Houses > of Parliament. Bloody Hell! It's BLOFELD~! The Man in Black is : Rolling on the Floor. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 8:11 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Amber Room On Mon, 1 May 2000, Louise Hayes wrote: > Which leads me onto another thought... Given the rash of art theft in Europe > by organised crime to pay for drug shipements, what if the art might > occasionally be mythos atrefacts/tomes? They could still be for drug > payments, but actually being funnelled back through to Karotechia. Or has > someone done that idea already? I always wanted to do something with Gunter's art collection. Especially in regards to EMERALD HAMMER, but it just slipped through the cracks. This might be a good thing to add onto the European chapters, which might just be the straw that breaks the Camel of Turin's back. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jeff Ewing [ambjpe@gis.net] Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 6:32 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Out of the closet (was Re: FAQ Urgency) Davide Mana wrote: > .....Sorry, another intermission. > Does someone remember when last summer we did a 'Suckiest Job' poll, and I > sort of came on top having worked as a scarecrow? > Well, I've got a new entry. Ah, "Suckiest Job"! That was YT, and I got a Womack-Down for my trouble. The SJs were, if memory serves correctly, to be incorporated into the self-as-NPC, but sadly, that seems to have been lost. With so many esteemed new list members, perhaps it is time to revisit this topic. I submit that this *can* be highly DG-relevant, as fleshing out for NPCs or Agents, cover stories or scene setting. One of my favorites was (Mr. Petherick, perhaps?) the suggestion that poultry slaughtering was the single worst job ever. I now long to set a scene in a poultry slaughter house: terrified South Asian workers in respirators who won't cooperate with Feds for fear of INS retribution, the noise, gore and flying feathers, potential neutral adversaries in the form of escaped panicked 25 lb turkeys, etc., etc. Also a brief note of my favorite X-Files which was set around a poultry processing plant that did a sideline in Long Pig; "Good People Make Good Food". High marks also to Dr. Dee's starling-frightener: what could be better surveillance cover than a job that keeps a person stationed in a downtown square with electronic gear at all hours? So, to make a start, Two of my suckiest jobs were: SJ#1) Flag Boy. Ever see those crummy looking nylon flags in front of new housing developments? Well, someone has to put them up using quick-set concrete, and in the toxic air-sun mix of LA, replace them when they're ragged. This involves a completely non-OSHA compliant ladder being put up alongside the pole and cutting off the flag and putting a new one on, affixing it with duct tape. Possible hooks: mischievous and biddable lad with good vantage point for spying over walls and an excuse for being around construction sites at odd hours, plus digging tools and the like = Good Friendly. Also being general dogs-body/courier makes for very good knowledge of the odd corners of LA. You-go-figure addition: the advertising company I worked for had an ultra-light *gyrocopter* for some reason; sling that Ma-deuce a la McFadden and you're good to go! SJ#2) Dishwasher in a sanitarium -- oh, pardon me, "Managed Care Facility." Being in the kitchen wasn't too bad, but the daily, albeit brief contact with the inhabitants of the 3 wards (senile, substance abuse, and "Locked") was pretty depressing. The senile didn't say much, the substance abusers smoked a lot and were also quiet, and I seldom had to visit the locked section. Once I was called out to help the (entirely African-American in the then mostly-white Valley) attendants subdue an escape attempting locked ward type. Oddly the burly attendants were some of the most decent people there; the white female manager who was my boss was the scary one. Scenario hooks? Well, Cthulhu and sanitoria go together like Tcho-Tchos and cannibalism. I would have been a handy asset to pass messages hidden in food trays to a confined agent, and I can tell you, security was pretty darn lax in this private, for profit facility. Checking *yourself* in as a substance abuser might be a good way to lay low for a while. But really, Davide, you're going to inhibit people from contributing if you don't stop pulling out these incredibly outlandish and sucky jobs! Jeff, works at a respectable Manhattan dot.com now, thank you. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 8:18 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Amber Room On Tue, 2 May 2000, Steve Allison wrote: > none, and the entire affair most likely being the figment of their > imagination anyway - which could make a good red-herring for a DG cell to > chase for a while. Or a *real* King in Yellow thing that turns into a Red Herring. But let us not forget those Scooby-Doo villains looking out of the eyes of paintings, and those guys from the Wild Wild West movie. Or the time Outlaw Pete painted a big boulder to resemble normal terrain to crash a train and recover that sphere thing on Brisco County Jr. Good old Outlaw Pete, Ma. in Philosophy, expressionist painter, nice wardrobe. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 8:20 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Amber Room On Mon, 1 May 2000 Popeyesays@aol.com wrote: > So, as long as Davide keeps groaning you can add to the load, but be > careful to stop when he quits. That might work if you're a goody-two-shoes, but what if you're evil and desire the broken mind. BWAH-AHAHAHAHAH~! The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jeff Ewing [ambjpe@gis.net] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 8:26 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Insurances & Assurances for your PCs Davide Mana wrote: > Well, I guess most govt. agencies have a life insurance formula for their > employees. > As long as you keep a low profile, you can probably get money from that. I am in a position to supply reams of tedious data about what's covered by US Gvt. health plans, should anyone care to know (sister-in-law works for Blue Cross). > Our University insures students doing field work - a policy adopted after > the body count increased (no, seriously) in the '90s. > So, today, any student working on a field project is covered in case of > accident. > Due to the litle money the university is willing to risk for its students, > the insurance company limits its coverage to the area of field investigated > and the period during which the field work is done. That is most interesting, and not at all true of, at least, universities in California, all of which cover students in the price of tuition. This turns out to be a good deal for the insurer, since college-age kids are generally healthy. Presumably bulk discounts on birth control, anti-depressants/psychotics, mono treatments and stomach pumps help lower the cost. . . Jeff, studiously avoided his university infirmaries, one of which handed out Xanax like candy and one of which never seemed to be open or to provide any useful services. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 8:25 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Mass Loss? On Mon, 1 May 2000, Andy Robertson wrote: > I'm guessing that these various "clouds of dark matter" are the substrate of > the "flabby inky jellyfish monsters" in "From Beyond", These would most likely be Desh. (CC20) The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Popeyesays@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 8:14 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Amber Room In a message dated 5/1/00 8:12:08 PM Central Daylight Time, mib@cyberspace.org writes: << I always wanted to do something with Gunter's art collection. Especially in regards to EMERALD HAMMER, but it just slipped through the cracks. This might be a good thing to add onto the European chapters, which might just be the straw that breaks the Camel of Turin's back. >> Don't you know how to load a burden on a camel - the camel complains when you put on its pack saddle, the camel complains as you add to the load when the camel STOPS complaining you stop loading it - because that is all it can bear. So, as long as Davide keeps groaning you can add to the load, but be careful to stop when he quits. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 8:35 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Mass Loss? On Mon, 1 May 2000, Michael Layne wrote: > So, if we think we've got problems here on Earth, we can be consoled by > the fact that, at this rate, Charon will be orbiting alone up there in a few > years, and whatever the Fun Guys have for a government will be holding > official subcommittee hearings on "What happened to Yuggoth? Why did our > planet evaporate?"... You know, when the Plutonian Wormhole becomes fully evident in 2030, SETI builds the base on Charon that eventually becomes Tartarus City. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 8:40 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Yuggoth On Mon, 1 May 2000, Andy Robertson wrote: > I very much doubt Pluto = Yuggoth. Pluto is a mere fragment of the Kuiper > belt, a glorified comet. I favor the Planet X option. Are you saying the Mi-Go are responsible for Ghidrah? The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Mused [mused@idirect.com] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 9:26 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Fw: Trapanning (Long) I thought this was amusing. A trifle long but explains what the Shan have done to us.... >THE PEOPLE WITH HOLES IN THEIR HEADS >Amanda Feilding lives in a charming flat looking over London's river with >her companion, Joey Mellen, and their infant son, Rock. She is a successful >painter, and she and Joey have an art gallery in a fashionable street of the >King's Road. Another of her talents is for politics. At the last two General >Elections she stood for Parliament in Chelsea, more than doubling her vote >on the second occasion from 49 to 139. It does not sound much, but the cause >for which she stands is unfamiliar and lacks obvious appeal. Feilding and >her voters demand that trepanning operations be made freely available on the >National Health. Trepanation means cutting a hole in your skull. >The founder of the trepanation movement is a Dutch savant, Dr Bart Hughes. >In 1962 he made a discovery which his followers proclaim as the most >significant in modern times. One's state and degree of consciousness, he >realized, are related to the volume of blood in the brain. According to his >theory of evolution, the adoption of an upright stance brought certain >benefits to the human race, but it caused the flow of blood through the head >to be limited by gravity, thus reducing the range of human consciousness. >Certain parts of the brain ceased or reduced their functions while others, >particularly those parts relating to speech and reasoning, became emphasized >in compensation. One can redress the balance by a number of methods, such as >standing on one's head, jumping from a hot bath into a cold one, or the use >of drugs; but the wider consciousness thus obtained is only temporary. Bart >Hughes shared the common goal of mystics and poets in all ages: he wanted to >achieve permanently the higher level of vision, which he associated with an >increased volume of blood in the capillaries of the brain. >The higher state of mind he sought was that of childhood. Babies are born >with skulls unsealed, and it is not until one is an adult that the bony >carapace is formed which completely encloses the membranes surrounding the >brain and inhibits their pulsations in response to heart-beats. In >consequence, the adult loses touch with the dreams, imagination and intense >perceptions of the child. His mental balance becomes upset by egoism and >neuroses. To cure these problems, first in himself and then for the whole >world, Dr Hughes returned his cranium to something like the condition of >infancy by cutting out a small disc of bone with an electric drill. >Experiencing immediate beneficial effects from this operation, he began >preaching to anyone who would listen to the doctrine of trepanation. By >liberating his brain from its total imprisonment in his skull, he claimed to >have restored its pulsations, increased the volume of blood in it and >acquired a more complete, satisfying state of consciousness than grown-up >people normally enjoy. The medical and legal authorities reacted to Hughes's >discovery with horror and rewarded him with a spell in a Dutch lunatic >asylum. >Joseph Mellen met Bart Hughes in 1965 in Ibiza and quickly became his >leading, or rather one and only, disciple. Years later he wrote a book >called _Bore Hole_, the contents of which are summarized in its opening >sentence: 'This is the story of how I came to drill a hole in my skull to >get permanently high.' >. . . (a few paragraphs detail Joseph Mellen's early experiments with LSD, >and how he finds out about Bart Hughes.) >The time came when Joey felt he had preached enough and that he now had to >act. He did not agree with Holingshead that the third eye was merely a >figure of speech, believing in its physical attainment through >self-trepanation. Support for this can be found in archaeology. Skulls of >ancient people all over the world give evidence that their owners were >skillfully trepanned during their lifetimes, and many of these appear to >have been of noble or priestly castes. The medical practice of trepanation >was continued up to the present century in treatment of madness, the hole in >the skull being seen as a way of relieving pressure on the brain or letting >out the devils that possessed it. By his scientific explanation of the >reasons for the operation, Bart Hughes had removed it from the area of >superstition, and Joey Mellen proposed to be the second person to perform it >on himself in the interest of enlightenment. >Bart had become a close friend of Amanda Feilding, and they went off to >Amsterdam together while Joey took care of Amanda's flat. This was the >opportunity he had been waiting for to bore a hole in his head. >The most gripping passages in _Bore Hole_ describe his various attempts to >complete the operation. They are also extremely gruesome, and those who lack >medical curiosity would do well to read no further. Yet to those who might >contemplate trepanation for and by themselves, Joey's experiences are a >salutary warning. It should be emphasized that neither he, Bart nor Amanda >has ever recommended people to follow their example by performing their own >operations. For years they have been looking for doctors who would >understand their theories and would agree to trepan volunteer patients as a >form of therapy Strangely enough, not one member of the medical profession >has been converted. >In a surgical store Joey found a trepan instrument, a kind of auger or cork- >screw designed to be worked by hand. It was much cheaper and, Joey felt, >more sensitive than an electric drill. Its main feature was a metal spike, >surrounded by a ring of saw-teeth. The spike was meant to be driven into the >skull, holding the trepan steady until the revolving saw made a groove, >after which it could be retracted. If all went well, the saw-band should >remove a disc of bone and expose the brain. >Joey's first attempt at self-trepanation was a fiasco. He had no previous >medical experience, and the needles he had bought for administering a local >anaesthetic to the crown of his head proved to be too thin and crumpled up >or broke. Next day he obtained some stouted needles, took a tab of LSD to >steady his nerves and set to in earnest. First he made an incision to the >bone, and then applied the trepan to his bared skull. But the first part of >the operation, driving the spike into the bone, was impossible to >accomplish. Joey described it as like trying to uncork a bottle from the >inside. He realized he needed help and telephoned Bart in Amsterdam, who >promised he would come over and assist at the next operation. This plan was >frustrated by the Home Office, which listed Dr Huges as an undesirable >visitor to Britain and barred his entry. >Amanda agreed to take his place. Soon after her return to London she helped >Joey re-open the wound in his head and, by pressing the trepan with all her >might against his skull, managed to get the spike to take hold and the saw- >teeth to bite. Joey then took over at cranking the saw. Once again he had >swallowed some LSD. After a long period of sawing, just as he was about to >break through, he suddenly fainted. Amanda called an ambulance and he was >taken to hospital, where horrified doctors told him that he was lucky to be >alive and that if he had drilled a fraction of an inch further he would have >killed himself. >The psychiatrists took a particular interest in his case, and a group of >them arranged to examine him. Before this could be done, he had to appear in >court on a charge of possessing a small amount of cannabis. The magistrate >demanded another psychiatrist's report and demanded him for a week in >prison. >There followed a period of embarrassment as the rumour went round London >that Joey Mellen had trepanned himself, whereas in fact he had failed to do >so. As soon as possible, therefore, he prepared for a third attempt. >Proceeding as before, but now with the benefit of experience, he soon found >the groove from the previous operation and began to saw through the sliver >of bone separating him from enlightenment or, as the doctors had predicted, >instant death. What followed is best quoted from _Bore Hole_. >'After some time there was an ominous sounding schlurp and the sound of >bubbling. I drew the trepan out and the gurgling continued. It sounded like >air bubbles running under the skull as they were pressed out. I looked at >the trepan and there was a bit of bone in it. At last! On closer inspection >I saw that the disc of bone was much deeper on one side than on the other. >Obviously the trepan had not been straight and had gone through at one point >only, then the piece of bone had snapped off and come out. I was reluctant >to start drilling again for fear of damaging the brain membranes with the >deeper part while I was cutting through the rest or of breaking off a >splinter. If only I had an electric drill it would have been so much >simpler. Amanda was sure I was through. There seemed no other explanation >for the schlurping noises I decided to call it a day. At the time I thought >that any hole would do, no matter what size. I bandaged up my head and >cleared away the mess.' >There was still doubt in his mind as to whether he had really broken through >and, if so, whether the hole was big enough to restore pulsation to his >brain. The operation had left him with a feeling of wellbeing, but he >realized that it could simply be from relief at having ended it. To put the >matter beyond doubt, he decided to bore another hole at a new spot just >above the hairline, this time using an electric drill. In the spring of >1970, Amanda was in America and Joey did the operation alone. He applied the >drill to his forehead, but after half and hour's work the electric cable >burnt out. Once again he was frustrated. An engineer in the flat below him >was able to repair the instrument and next day he set out to finish the job. >'This time I was not in any doubt. The drill head went at least an inch deep >through the hole. A great gush of blood followed my withdrawal of the drill. >In the mirror I could see the blood in the hole rising and falling with the >pulsation of the brain.' >The result was all he had hoped for. During the next four hours he felt his >spirits rising higher until he reached a state of freedom and serenity which >he claims, has been with him ever since. >For some time now he had been sharing a flat with Amanda, and when she came >back from America she immediately noticed the change in him. This encouraged >her to join him on the mental plane by doing her own trepanation. The >operation was carefully recorded. She had obtained a cine-camera, and Joey >stood by, filming, as she attacked her head with an electric drill. The film >shows her carefully at work, dressed in a blood-spattered white robe. She >shaves her head, makes an incision in her head with a scalpel and calmly >starts drilling. Blood spurts as she penetrates the skull. She lays aside >the drill and with a triumphant smile advances towards Joey and the camera. >Ever since, Joey and Amanda have lived and worked together in harmony. >>From the business of buying old prints to colour and resell, they have >progressed to ownership of the Pigeonhole Gallery and seem reasonably >prosperous. They have also started a family. There is nothing apparently >abnormal about them, and many of their old friends agree in finding them >even more pleasant and contented since their operations. There is plenty of >leisure in their lives, mingled with the kind of activities they most enjoy. >These of course include talking and writing about trepanation. They have >lectured widely in Europe and America to groups of doctors and other >interested people, showing the film of Amanda's self-operation, entitled >_Heartbeat in the Brain_. It is generally received with awe, the sight of >blood often causing people to faint. At one showing in London a film critic >described the audience 'dropping off their seats one by one like ripe >plums'. Yet it was not designed to be gruesome. The soundtrack is of >soothing music, and the surgical scenes alternate with some delightful >motion studies of Amanda's pet pigeon, Birdie, as a symbol of peace and >wisdom." From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Mused [mused@idirect.com] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 9:28 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Yuggoth -----Original Message----- >On Mon, 1 May 2000, Andy Robertson wrote: > >> I very much doubt Pluto = Yuggoth. Pluto is a mere fragment of the Kuiper >> belt, a glorified comet. I favor the Planet X option. > >Are you saying the Mi-Go are responsible for Ghidrah? No, the opposite. Mi-Go are the fleas of Ghidrah From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Til Eulenspiegel [duggerj@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 1:24 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Unearthly threads from above... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sunday, 30 April 2000 > >Go to your local library and check back back issues of Aviation > >Week for details of the anti-power plant weapons used by USAF in > >recent bombings. If you heard this story recently, it might be > >that the glass-aluminum (not carbon fiber) threads used by these > >specialized [snip] > Dispensers for these threads are now apparently an available > submunition load for one of the Tomahawk land-attack variants > (TLAM). They were used to good effect as long ago as Desert > Storm... (Never thought I'd hear myself [snip] Somebody didn't go to their local library and check back issues of AvLeak. The article specifically mentions in its text, as I did in my original post, that this is _not_ carbon fiber, but glass-aluminium threads. The article specifically mentions in its text that this was not a TLAM submunition. Tomahawks do have carbon fiber warheads, and even some experimental EMP/HPM (high-power microwave) warheads, but this ain't it. ObDG: AvLeak in 1993 published a short article, never picked up by the mainstream press, that CIA, USAF, and US Army all tested non-lethal weapons at Waco, TX during the Branch Davidan siege. A rare instance of MJ/DG co-operation, or just some enthusiastic cowboys? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOQ3LsIJ4fAzAb7AFEQJttQCgyKQoGAg/umVpgr7FYn9dOQLLB6gAoPLB 08R/wzYc/Q52RbUyBtzcSuES =KldW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Til Eulenspiegel [duggerj@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 12:51 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Ant Rant (was Re: DG: Crawler war and Ratwar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sunday, 30 April 2000 Humanity missed a big chance when we failed to domesticate the ant. Of course, GE might let us fix this terrible terrible mistake. Can you imagine...programmable ants? Agriculture suffers an overnight revolution. Pesticides, herbicide, fungicide--who needs them? Soldier ants patrol fields looking for pests, and swarm when they spot them. Worker ants tear apart weeds and fungus providing on-site mulch for improved irrigation and topsoil conservation.Does your crop need better soil areation? Just have your ants dig tunnels down and around the roots of your plants. Harvest time remains much the same, but the ants glean kernels or fruit missed by the machines. For military uses beyond what we've discussed, I refer you to Stanislaw Lem's "Weapon Systems of the 21st Century," in his collection "One Human Minute." The pieces on precognitive bacteria and x-ray pornography have their own appeal. Consumer applications? Housekeeping is very easy when ant colonies come out at night to pick up every crumb. Pest control was touched on above. Aesthetics? Well, with ants of different sizes and colors or identical ants carrying little cards, you could have living cellular automata displays or very slow animation done by ants flipping their placards. More inspiration can probably be found within E.O. Wilson's "The Ants." ObDG: The COOKBOOK covers non-human biology, and we know that MK-ULTRA succeeded in game-world. MJ agents might well have access to such subtle things as crudely programmable ants. You could harass a target by painting his house with an attractive chemical signal and then seeding his property with fire ants. This doesn't fit my idea of the character of MJ agents, but your mileage may vary. If you prefer "Nature strikes back," have the genetically altered and Milk-fortified tobacco and coca plants from DG:CD affect the local wildlife. If ants aren't spectacular enough for you, just move up the food chain a notch or two: toads, birds, etc. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOQ3D7oJ4fAzAb7AFEQIdhwCg1fcqx21uUXXtg3+CUgEfXM5dtR0An1S4 UjvugaLNyAori34gZb/lidMr =5IU5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Timothy Betz [vag@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 9:58 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re:DG: DGML T-Shirt On Mon, 1 May 2000, Dave Farnell wrote: > >http://arcadia.buseco.monash.edu.au/~eccles/images/t-shirts/dg_spotting_huge.gif > >http://arcadia.buseco.monash.edu.au/~eccles/images/t-shirts/dg_spotting_small.gif > > Um, Tim, those links lead to porno...I think maybe someone hijacked your pictures. I apologise profusely on behalf of myself and the server administrator. Damien is an idiot, he has had trouble with people linking into other images on his site. To deal with this, any request for images that has a referer external to his site (say your e-mail client) gets different images sent to them. He forgot to unprotect the images after he ghave me the urls. If you just type in the urls, it should have a null referer and work fine... Anyway, I am treppaning him as we speak. I will shift the images to the following urls: http://enoch.buseco.monash.edu.au/~vag/dg_spotting_huge.gif http://enoch.buseco.monash.edu.au/~vag/dg_spotting_small.gif I apologise again to anyone who was offended. I must go now... *whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr* -- Tim