From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Allan Goodall [agoodall@interlog.com] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 10:13 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Grotto's Cthulhu Pages Updated After several months, the Grotto's Cthulhu Pages have finally been updated. Due to personal reasons, the web site had been dormant, but now it is back online. Along with our group's most recent Delta Green, Call of Cthulhu, and Cthulhu Now scenario write-ups, (and the now completed CthulhuPunk and Cthulhu By Gaslight campaigns) I've added two of our big house rules. These include our modifications for simplified automatic weapons resolution, and our home-grown hit location system (which takes the damage done and finds the location instead of the other way around). These rules have come in very handy in Delta Green, where gun play (especially against the Karotechia) is more prevalent than in Call of Cthulhu. The Delta Green write-ups are up to date (as of last month's scenario). Our recent scenarios include "Dead Letter" and "Night Floors" from the Countdown book, and our rendition of "The Killer Out of Space" from the Cthulhu Now sourcebook. The site still looks much the same as it used to, but it's been set up for easier maintenance. This, and our write-up author learning HTML, makes the update process much easier. You can find the new Grotto Cthulhu Pages at: http://www.interlog.com/~agoodall/cthulhu.htm The home page for Goodall's Grotto can be found at: http://www.interlog.com/~agoodall I'd love to hear any questions or comments about the site, particularly from anyone using the house rules. Allan Goodall agoodall@interlog.com Goodall's Grotto: http://www.interlog.com/~agoodall/ "Surprisingly, when you throw two naked women with sex toys into a living room full of drunken men, things always go bad." - Kyle Baker, "You Are Here" From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jason R. Armstrong [gerwalkveritech@juno.com] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 10:45 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: South Africky > And then the inexplicable. They put it to a vote? They voted to go >sane? >What the fuck? > > Just let me believe it all worked out and everyone is cool about it >now. I'm >begging you here. > >Mark McFadden > Wants to believe > Yeah, well. Don't. I wasn't there. Neither were you (I assume). That's something to be happy about. Read MY TRAITOR'S HEART, by Rian Malan, 1990, Atlantic Monthly Press/Morgan Entrekin Books, New York (no ISBN that I can find, probably look for this at a library rather than a bookstore, it's probably had a thin run, mostly amongst altie-student bookstores). That confusion you feel at the absurd turnover? Completely justified. If even a tenth of this story is true...things were very, very bad there. Far more ugly and sickening than the worst of what Americkay got to see. And they never *really* cleared up. Believe...that we are very privileged and lucky. Yeah, like you need to be told that from me :) But still. obDG: Read the fuckin' book, alright? :) If you can't come up with something, well, goddamn it, just think Ahtu. Just think Nyarly of any sort, actually. xJAYx PS- This got raves from Don Delillo and John LeCarre, so I hope it's not completely gone from the world at this point. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:51 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: That Talkshow Madness Davide Mana schrieb: > Greetings. > > Eckhard should watch less TV.... ;> Oh my, you sound like my parents. BTW: In France the people where I lived had several Satelite dishes and thus I received more than 400 channels from all over the world. Believe me: You really learn a lot about how the world works when you zap across the world's TV for 15hours without interuption. Just three of the lessons: 1. There are no good entertaining shows on North African TV 2. Latin American Childrens' TV very often is hosted by ex-playmates in bikinis 3. Certain American shows are always to be seen across the globe, hopping from chain to chain without interruption always changing the language in the process [ examples: Golden Girls, The Flintstones, The Cosby Show, The Waltons ] ObDG: An American conspiracy to dominate the world by influencing the people's or peoples' minds to the American way of life? Hidden messages in the show? [snip] > > My godness - your brain looks to me like a sort of inventory-from-hell of > all we Italians would rather forget. I already mentioned "colpo grosso", didn't I? > 'Io Confesso' was a late 80s thing that ran for just one season. > The idea, as Eckhard exactly points out, was to get a guy under a pixelated > screen and he'd go on in a vocoder-altered voice about his sin - usually > the cheap-thrill thing a 10 p.m. audience would like. Actually the concept was adapted by German TV and it also only ran for one season. [ Colpo Grosso was also adepted but ran very successfully for about 6 seasons. The final season even used some 3D technology ]. "Highlights" of German "Io Confesso" were the cow molester, the child molester and the guy who slaughtered his family. During that season many discussed whether you could show stuff like that on TV. Nowadays stuff like that is shown on a daily basis in daily talkshows well visible and audible without any pixels. ObDG: Obviously TV gets worse. A conspiracy to lower or morals and values? To make us more like the mythos? To prepare us for the Endtimes? > > I'd rather see a former member of fate or Enolsis as a 'Io Confesso' guest > than a Karotechia turncoat. Or a DO-Hybrid: "My mother had sex with fish beings and I am the bastard of it" > > Two other Italian TV shows, on the other hand, could be of interest. > > . Chi l'Ha Visto (Who Saw Him?) > One of Italy's longest running prime-time investigation journalism shows. > Each week, three or four cases about missing persons are presented - > families and friends are interviewed, a reconstruction of the last actions > of the disappearing person is shown, photos both straight and digitally > manipulated to add aging or makeup are presented. > then the audience is invited to phone (the show goes on air live) should > they have any info on the case. > Some of the cases presented were actually solved thanks to audience > intervention, and a number of specials were produced, centering on > particularly mysterious cases from the past. > > Possible applications are obvious - PhenomenX could run something like this. A TV format well known to German viewers [ "Bitte melde Dich" / Please call ]. But I'd prefer another application: Often people disappear because they have good reasons to do so! Like former MJ-12 Agents who finally came to the result they were working for the wrong side, Desperate traitors hiding from ANDREA, Teenaged hackers who managed to hack into VERY, VERY secret networks of the government. Searching them by using such a show might be a pretty elegant way. > > . Strix > This one from 1980 is a true freak. I have to admit that I do NOT know this one. > The most common rationalizationof the thing is, someone had dosed with LSD > the director's board of the state television. > The prime-time 'song & comedy', set during an endless bacchanal and > structured around Roman Mysterian Cult models, featured a host introducing > numbers by cracking a whip, and an audience/chorus of skimply clad and > frolicking kids. But what was it? A game show, some kind of discovery channel or a sitcom? > The show featured full frontal nudity (female), full-tilt orgies, blatant > homosexuality, demon worship, hinted incest, various forms of fetishism, > drug abuse, paganism and blasphemy. Sounds like they used many elements from classical Italian cinema ==> Caligula > Not to mention some of the worst music ever broadcast. Hey, that's definitely going to far! [snip] > To this day, the show rests as an embarassing freudian slip on the > otherwise highly morigerated palimpsest of our state TV. You mean this ran on your PUBLIC CHANNELS!?!??? Ay Caramba. > The only (unsurprisingly) experiment of its kind, it was completely > cancelled from the popular memory. > In a country in which half of the TV programming is made up by reruns, > Strix was never recycled, and according to some insider sources, the > original tapes were destroyed/lost/stolen. Now these are good scenario seeds: Stolen by whom? Cancelled by the popular memory by memory deleting technology? Probably by using hidden messages in other popular shows that kind of adress to the same audience. [ Did I already mention "Colpo Grosso"? ] > > Now, let's face the fact - any show regularly featuring a young Grace Jones > in a leopard bodysuit wielding a bullwhip is worth using as a set-piece in > a DG game. I think an old Marlon Brando in a leopard bodysuit wielding a bullwhip would frighten my players even more. > As a whole, the thing had a high degree of Shub-Niggurath compliance in its > chaotic structure and sexually frenzied attitude. Read my lips: Y'Golonac ECKHARD From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Amanda A. Cronk [bodezilla@erols.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 3:12 AM To: Delta Green Subject: DG: Bring me the head of the Okanagan Lake monster. There's an offer of $2,000,000 Canadian for scientific proof of "Ogopogo", the *monster* that inhabits Okanagan Lake in British Colombia. http://www.excite.co.uk/news/news_story/oddly/reuters_oddly_20000501213014_0.txt Be seeing you, Amanda "God is dead." "Nietzsche is dead." --Friedrich Nietzsche --God From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Daniel Harms [dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 4:25 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: RE: Inside the Deep Ones At 02:33 AM 4/29/2000 EDT, you wrote: > I used to (somewhat) jokingly go on about the fact that some sharks never >stop growing. Then I would casually mention that since sperm whales are the >only *known* predators of giant squid, how come we aren't up to our tushes in >giant squid since the decimation of sperm whales? > Great big honkin' Alfa class sharks, that's why! Cruising the deeps, >occasionally bumping into, oh I don't know, the Thresher? The Scorpion? Laugh now, Mr. McFadden - but stay out of the water: http://www.strangemag.com/megalodon.html If you see one of these, then I suggest striking it on the nose with this article: http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~bz050/megalodon.html ObDG: If you're a Keeper and can't come up with a use for a 50' prehistoric shark... To place this more firmly on-topic, I recommend them as guard-dogs for DO cities. "The good news, sailor, is that we won't be getting anywhere near those shoggoths..." Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu The Internet: Learn what you know. Share what you don't. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Amanda A. Cronk [bodezilla@erols.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 3:20 AM To: Delta Green Subject: DG: Re: Bring me the head of the Okanagan Lake monster. I realize now that the previously posted link has expired. I've attached a new one. Amanda From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 3:55 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Mass Loss? In a message dated 5/1/00 3:24:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, theherald@hotmail.com writes: << "...And, after Pluto has evaporated, we can be sure the President will say it is the fault of the previous administration, Congress will order the Coast Guard to prevent Mi-Go refugees from flooding into the US, Greenpeace will hold the nuclear power industry and fluorocarbons responsible, and MJ-12 will find some way of blaming it on Delta Green!":) >> No no no. It was the Evil Empire. It was godless Communis.........shit. OK, it was, uh, ARABS! Yeah. Hand-lopping, jihad-starting, women in black bags AY-RABS, dammit. And don't give me any of that Persian Irag-Iran only difference is one damn letter picky picky quibbling. Ay-rabs. Say it with me. Abdul al Hazrad, the Mad AY-RAB! Dammit. Oh sure, I tried to go with that PC "We Are The World' flapdoodle. But ever' time I turn on that CNN there's a bunch of 'em dressed in bathrobes and waving signs with...grafitti on 'em or something. Or their whoopin' and hollerin' and whipping themselves on Sunday or whenever it is they all drink Christian baby's blood because that Ali of theirs said they can't drink beer. Gives me the creeps just thinkin' about it. Why, I'd snuggle up to a Frog before I'd give the time of day to no Ay-rab. Yep, no doubt about it, that's some guilt-free hate I got goin' here. Feels good. Some guy who borrowed Mark McFadden's keyboard. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 3:55 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Inside the Deep Ones In a message dated 5/1/00 3:25:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, graemep@immagene.mcg.edu writes: << much snippage. Good stuff, too. The problem to my mind is the level of internal (not to mention external) re-arrangement that this hypothesis entails. The gil-filaments in the neck hypothesis outlined in the Emerson report is simpler from a physiological view point. But OTOH, if it worked for the Man From Atlantis then I suppose it's possible. But hang on a moment... perhaps I just dreamt that in the shower? >> First of all....that was a really good convoluted multi-tiered media reference. I was particularly impressed with the shower\dream detail and sub-ref rather than a flat Dallas link. It felt good writing that, didn't it? Scratched an itch you hadn't been aware of, didn't it? Didn't it? Hehe. No problems with the tweaks. That's why I brought it up. The major problem I have with the gills being in the goiter around the neck is water flow. They would have to be gulping at a pretty good rate whenever they aren't swimming. Nothing unusual about that; I just don't like the way it looks. Maybe I'm being hasty. Hmmmm. Every scene of DO city life has all the DO constantly opening and closing their mouths. Maybe. But I'm partial to the goiter being filled with the filters to screen seawater going through the more fragile lungs. Further, I would consider sealing the esophagus off from the lungs at some point in the transition, perhaps after submerging. If they are going to be gulping all the time and eating underwater, they need to keep the food particles out of their lungs. Exhaling through the rib slits would help keep the lungs flushed. I know, it adds more gross modification, but come on, he's going to end up looking like a mesomorphic frog anyway. I think we are being a little restrained in rearranging their insides. The restriction on the form the changes could take is that the transition state must be able to survive on land. And perhaps function well underwater before being completely changed. I liked Davide's thoughts about the fluid-filled lungs. Liquid lighter than water would withstand pressure and provide bouyancy. Here's a thought. Perhaps the lymph or whatever it is gets oxygenated directly from the gills and acts as a sort of oxygen storage. It could allow periods of no gulping, a handy trait for predators depending on stealth for an advantage over faster swimmers. Also, it keeps the lungs involved rather than deflated. BTW, DO lung fluid is one of the essential ingredients to the most expensive perfumes. Entropy, by Leroy Enjaune. Another fine product from Rhino Research, a division of Whole Earth Enterprises. Perhaps there was an earlier not-quite-amphibian stage of the DO evolution. Perhaps the fluid was original saturated through hyperventilating and then diving deeper than a seal could. Or simply staying immobile in shallow reefs longer. I like the coughing up liquid on the pillow. Give all those funny-looking people who are coughing all the time a closer look. You know who I mean. The ones who always smell like medicine over something rotten. Always have a handkerchief and use it until it squishes. Sometimes you can catch them checking out some woman when she doesn't know it. Look at their eyes. They just stare, man. Mark McFadden Watch the shores From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 3:55 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Pluto In a message dated 5/1/00 3:45:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, andywrobertson@clara.co.uk writes: << I very much doubt Pluto = Yuggoth. Pluto is a mere fragment of the Kuiper belt, a glorified comet. I favor the Planet X option. >> The nature of Pluto has plagued me for years. I mean, he's a dog, right? So how come he can't drive a car or talk like Goofy? What is he, some kind of Goof-monkey? A proto-Goofy? Goofepanthecus? Man that bugs me. Mark McFadden From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Amanda A. Cronk [bodezilla@erols.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 4:11 AM To: Delta Green Subject: Re: DG: Re: Bring me the head of the Okanagan Lake monster. From: David.Clements > Sorry, but I found your message unreadable and bloated since it was full > of HTML tags. It would be very helpful for those of us *not* using an > HTML mailer or Microsoft product if you could set your email to send > purely ASCII text and to turn off the HTML tags. > I'm sure what you sent was very interesting, but I was unable to read it. > Dave I attached the article in a *.txt file. Sorry about that to all who are not using MS. I'll get the hang of this mailing list yet... Be seeing you, Amanda "God is dead." "Nietzsche is dead." --Friedrich Nietzsche --God From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 4:25 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Bring me the head of the Okanagan Lake monste In a message dated 5/2/00 1:30:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bodezilla@erols.com writes: << I realize now that the previously posted link has expired. I've attached a new one. Amanda >> Attachments + mailing lists = ANARCHY. Screaming fornicating reveling in cats and dogs sleeping together. Also, a plain text version of that very URL could be cut&pasted by anyone who wants to use it. No trouble really, most of us are tool users. And many of us have *two* buttons or more on our mouse. The one element of your message guaranteed to get through to everyone on the list in the form you sent it in is the text. Plain vanilla text. The last attachment delivered to the list was a virus. We were ever so cross with them. The MiB swore a blasphemous oath that cannot be repeated in the vicinity of the weaker gender. Stout fellow, always good for putting the fear of GOOs into the Newbies and other lower orders. Now, if you would be so kind as to roll up some newspaper and swat yourself across the nose a few times, we'll say no more. Mark McFadden From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Amanda A. Cronk [bodezilla@erols.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 4:31 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Bring me the head of the Okanagan Lake monste ----- Original Message ----- From: Attachments + mailing lists = ANARCHY. Screaming fornicating reveling in cats and dogs sleeping together. The last attachment delivered to the list was a virus. We were ever so cross with them. The MiB swore a blasphemous oath that cannot be repeated in the vicinity of the weaker gender. Stout fellow, always good for putting the fear of GOOs into the Newbies and other lower orders. --------------------------------------------- No attachments. Got it. Won't happen again. Sorry. The URL I included didn't appear to be working after my initial post - sometimes they expire. How do you feel about my posting the text of the article in the body of the post? MiB seemed a little pissed that I had done so in my first post to this ML, so I wasn't sure what to do this time. Amanda "Hell is other people." --Jean-Paul Sartre From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Robert Thomas [ThomasR@Cardiff.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 6:09 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Traveller Alert Hello All, Everyone should be made aware that two traveller vehicles have been recovered in South Africa: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_732000/732604.stm congratulations to whoever we have in NASA for the wonderfull cover story they got into the article. About the T-Shirt I'm going to suggest that all those interested and who have questions join me in an online chat about it in MiRC details: Description: Undernet: US, NV, Las Vegas IRC Server: lasvegas.nv.us.undernet.org Port: 6667 Group: undernet I'm going to suggest this coming Saturday at 4pm GMT which will be morning in the USA and evening in the Far East. Anyone has any questions or comments or suggestions about the shirts show up then and I'll answer you online! Also if anyone had ICQ and wants to chat about it here's my number: 38464199 I'm on most days in work just send me a message (I'm usually invisible so just send one!) BCNU Rob. P.S. Amanda if you want to paste articles in I think its fine but ideally only a few paragraphs and if your sure the site will maintain the article then use the URL the BBC is great they never remove a URL once its up J.R.E.Thomas. ThomasR@cardiff.ac.uk Our kind. Us people. All of us that started the game with a crooked cue, that wanted so much and got so little, that meant so good and did so bad. Jim Thompson 'The Killer Inside Me' http://n.ethz.ch/student/hankef/DeltaGreen/tshirt.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 5:10 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Inside the Deep Ones Greetings. Steve writes.... >I like the idea Andy (?) put forward - that hybrids' lungs just start >filling up with fluid as they get older. It was me incidentally, but that's right - we geologists are used at engineers taking the credit ;> >I believe that there are genetic >conditions that cause that to happen in real life. The one that I know of is presence of salt water in the lungs. Let's see if I remember it right - in those cases in which you get sea-water in your respiratory system, the salinity of the liquid clashes with the internal salinity and pH conditions. The lungs start therefore filling with fluid as the body tries to rehestablish the proper salinity level. As a result, the busty Baywatch chick pulled you out of the soup, but you drown in your own liquids a few hours later. >Could we posit that >humanity and deep ones share a common ancestor? In the past juvenile deep >ones could have lived on land (thus avoiding competition with the adult >population), and if some stayed there, perhaps interbreeding with higher >apes (not so absurd giving DO's propensity for sex outside the species, and >recent news that neanderthal man and the proto-homo sapiens may have >inteerbred), producing the species known as homo-sapiens. Jaques Mayol quoted some data about the possibility of our oldest ancestors being water-friendly apes - like the ones in Japan that take thermal baths during winter, or the ones in Africa (IIRC) that use sea-water to wash and add salt to insipid foods. In his 'Homo Delphinus' (which is a required reading for anyone with an interest in deep-sea diving) Mayol discusses the matter at lenght, and comes to the conclusion (most probably not justified) that said ancestors of ours practiced water-based birthing of youngs. Mayol's main suspect in the water-ape ancestry of human beings is the Proconsul, a great primate of the Miocene. According to some studies published in the '60s, the Proconsul was a water-friendly creature, and the same researchers also placed him in the Homo sapiens family tree.. >This could >explain features such as our hairlessness, affinity for water etc etc. Exactly Mayol's main argument - a lot of our traits seem to suggest a certain degree of water adaptation. The thing should be checked in more depth - what if the DOs coupled with the Proconsul to produce us? Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 4:50 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Amber Room Greetings. Isn't it nice to get people talking about you just like you were not there? Two camel-herders wrote.... > I always wanted to do something with Gunter's art collection. Especially > in regards to EMERALD HAMMER, but it just slipped through the cracks. This > might be a good thing to add onto the European chapters, which might just > be the straw that breaks the Camel of Turin's back. > >> > >Don't you know how to load a burden on a camel - the camel complains when you >put on its pack saddle, the camel complains as you add to the load when the >camel STOPS complaining you stop loading it - because that is all it can >bear. So, as long as Davide keeps groaning you can add to the load, but be >careful to stop when he quits. Groaning? I'm not groaning! I haven't the time to groan anymore! As for any similarity between me and a camel, you are wide off the mark. Unsurprisingly ;> Be seeing you. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 5:21 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Out of the closet (was Re: FAQ Urgency) Greetings. Jeff, the man who created the Suckiest Jobs Award, wrote >Ah, "Suckiest Job"! That was YT, and I got a Womack-Down for my >trouble. The SJs were, if memory serves correctly, to be incorporated >into the self-as-NPC, but sadly, that seems to have been lost. With so >many esteemed new list members, perhaps it is time to revisit this >topic. I submit that this *can* be highly DG-relevant, as fleshing out >for NPCs or Agents, cover stories or scene setting. The old but recently resurrected Dark Conspiracy RPG featured a character creation that - while a bit complicated for newbies - included the 'sucky job' option, in spirit if not in actual application. In a lenghty process that forced the players to roleplay _during_ character creation, you chose what you'd like to be when you grew up and started working in that direction. Things like part-time jobs to pay for tuition, fall-back night shifts to round up your income and such were contemplated, and gave each character a very varied and original life history. I now wonder if . a - the system can be adapted to Basic Roleplaying . b - the good gentlemen of Demonground would be interested in a short set of 'sucky jobs stats' for their fine e-zine. >So, to make a start, Two of my suckiest jobs were: [redacted] >But really, Davide, you're going to inhibit people from contributing if >you don't stop pulling out these incredibly outlandish and sucky jobs! Well, if it's any consolation to you, I'm officially unemployed as of this morning's 10.00 hours. Boss: 'What problems exactly did you experience with the attitude of your supervisor?' Davide 'Wild Dog' Mana: 'Sir, if I were working for Hitler I'd get at least a pair of shiny boots and a uniform'. I might have aded a leopard on a leash, considering my current bulk, but anyway I'm pretty sure they'll remember me for a while. Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 6:12 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Pluto LizardRoi@aol.com schrieb: [snip] > The nature of Pluto has plagued me for years. > I mean, he's a dog, right? So how come he can't drive a car or talk like > Goofy? What is he, some kind of Goof-monkey? A proto-Goofy? Goofepanthecus? > Man that bugs me. > > Mark McFadden > He's probably the missing link between regular dogs and Goofy. That is, if Goofy is a dog. Is he? And aren't nearly all the extras in the comics painted as kind of dog? Now this bugs me too. ECKHARD From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 7:09 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Bring me the head of the Okanagan Lake monster. Gretings. Amanda, kindly worrying about my future income, writes.... > $2,000,000 Canadian for scientific proof of "Ogopogo", the *monster* >that habits Okanagan Lake in British Colombia. Do they pay the same if a scientifically DISproof Ogopogo? How's the weather in British Columbia? Davide From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 7:00 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: That Talkshow Madness Greetings. >> Eckhard should watch less TV.... ;> > >Oh my, you sound like my parents. .... and they are wise persons. You should heed their counsels. >ObDG: An American conspiracy to dominate the world by influencing the people's or >peoples' minds to the American way of life? Hidden messages in the show? Jokes apart - I once attended a sociology lecture in which it was explained how the Brazilian government supported soap-operas as these were giving teh population a new, more - sorry - 'first world' outlook. In particular, the depiction of independent women and of well-to-do families with no more than two children were considered important points to get through to the population. Apparently something similar is being attempted in India. >> . Chi l'Ha Visto (Who Saw Him?) > >A TV format well known to German viewers [ "Bitte melde Dich" / Please call ]. >But I'd prefer another application: Often people disappear because they have good >reasons to do so! Like former MJ-12 Agents who finally came to the result they >were working for the wrong side, Desperate traitors hiding from ANDREA, Teenaged >hackers who managed to hack into VERY, VERY secret networks of the government. >Searching them by using such a show might be a pretty elegant way. Also, some people disappear simply because they need a break. Indeed, in a pair of occasions the 'missing' person simply called the show and asked please to be left in peace - like the young woman that after twenty-odd years slaving for her seven brothers and senile parents simply ran away and started working as a painter 1000 kms away. Setting up the whole as a dry run for the players might be a nice change of pace for a PhenomenX campaign. As for 'Stryx' (I mispelled it on the previous post).... >> The prime-time 'song & comedy', set during an endless bacchanal and >> structured around Roman Mysterian Cult models, featured a host introducing >> numbers by cracking a whip, and an audience/chorus of skimply clad and >> frolicking kids. > >But what was it? A game show, some kind of discovery channel or a sitcom? A variety show, with stand-up 'comedians', ballet and singers, a few guests (including, IIRC, Brian Ferry on one night). It was 'light entertainment', but the show structure was somewhat loose - basically there was this big bad party going on all over the soundstage, with lots of separate 'numbers' running at the same time; the camera roamed here and there, following the host as he opened up his way through the crowd with his whip and led the audience to this or that performance - be it a comic routine, some kind of ballet, a guest singing his latest single or some short sit-com like set-pieces. Weird, very experimental. Also worth noticing is the fact that a lot of very respectable Italian entertainers joined this bandwagon, only to disappear completely from the scene for ages afterwards. The list includes songwriter Tony Renis - currently a big bucks musical producer in the US (does the name Bocelli ring a bell?) - dressed as the Black Man and reading cues from a thick leatherbound volume held by a teenager in filmsy chiton. Amongst those whose name I can't remember presently, a well-known stage performer that played 'comedy intermissions' in the role of a wine/drug-addled lesbian queen and a well respected tv actress (specializing in the part of the slightly naive wife in a number tv series) that was cast as a topless, horny 'witch' with a penchant for licking frogs. No, really. The fact that the call of an owl signalled the start of the show and the call of a cock the end of it is another detail that sprag to my mind in this moment. >Sounds like they used many elements from classical Italian cinema ==> Caligula 'Classical'? Man, classical Italian cinema is 'Cabiria', not 'Caligula' ;> And please note that Caligula was never shown on Italian screens. You can find edited tape version - but little else. But yes, there was a lot of psaeudo-Imperial Rome ambience, together with a liberal dash of Lower Middle Ages and Reinassance. The musical score under ballet/orgy scenes was basically medieval music with a disco beat superimposed. >You mean this ran on your PUBLIC CHANNELS!?!??? >Ay Caramba. Obviously - it was RAI (Radiotelevisione Italiana). Privately owned TV channels at the time were still garage-based operations financed by the roast chicken shop on the corner. Can't remember the channel proper - but I exclude the first, as at the time it was the Catholic Democrats dominion. >Now these are good scenario seeds: Stolen by whom? According to a friend of mine, by some RAI exec that looped the tape and used it as 'inspiration' while [CENSORED] away in his lonely nights. Or maybe they resold selections of it as snuff in Bangcock. Another flash - a girl laying on a marble table with a rost pork laying over her, and people crowding around, tearing off chunks of roast meat and eating as she wriggles and laughs wildly. God! So yes, maybe there was something in the tapes - subliminal messages? Or maybe by freeze-framing certain scenes you could be able to see 'other things' mixing with the revellers? >Cancelled by the popular memory by memory deleting technology? More likely, by the fact that it was a turkey. And yet - production values were very high - it was (IIRC) one of the first tv shows to be shot in Cinecittà, using some of the soundstages predilected by Fellini and a lot of the technical talent was first class plus. As I said, it was one of those make-it-or-break-it things - it could have deeply influenced Italian TV and, by reflection, society. Instead it went belly up. >Probably by using hidden messages in other >popular shows that kind of adress to the same audience. [ Did I already mention >"Colpo Grosso"? ] No, sorry. Let's make this thing clear - this was not a show aimed at voyeurs or sexually starved individuals or whoever it is that enjoys things like Colpo Grosso. It would have been more.... normal. This was a legit, seriously produced, high-profile entertainment show aimed at the family audience. It aired at 8.30 pm on a national channel. And it bombed after (I think) four or five weeks. I doubt any Colpo Grosso fan ever watched it, or vice versa. >> Now, let's face the fact - any show regularly featuring a young Grace Jones >> in a leopard bodysuit wielding a bullwhip is worth using as a set-piece in >> a DG game. > >I think an old Marlon Brando in a leopard bodysuit wielding a bullwhip would >frighten my players even more. I don't know - does he sing as bad as a young Grace Jones? >> As a whole, the thing had a high degree of Shub-Niggurath compliance in its >> chaotic structure and sexually frenzied attitude. > >Read my lips: Y'Golonac Could be. After all, the thing was killed in mid-course. One wonders what they could have summoned to feast on the national souls after, say, three months running. Sure as hell, it sunk a lot of money and it permanently froze the carreers of many of its cast members. I'll have to check my contacts for more data. Later! Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@disinfo.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 7:40 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Inside the Deep Ones On Tue, 2 May 2000 04:54:44 EDT LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > I like the coughing up liquid on the pillow. > Give all those funny-looking people who are coughing all the time a closer >look. You know who I mean. The ones who always smell like medicine over >something rotten. Always have a handkerchief and use it until it squishes. >Sometimes you can catch them checking out some woman when she doesn't know >it. Look at their eyes. They just stare, man. 'Round these parts, folks wear little surgical masks when they have colds. Never thought before how effectively that could cover up the Innsmouth Look. Now I'm gonna get creeped out on the subway again. Dave From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@disinfo.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 8:27 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re:DG: Newbie FAQ advice On Mon, 1 May 2000 22:21:22 +0100 (BST) Stephen Joseph Ellis wrote: > If you earn the MiB's wrath, then give as good as you get. >Consider it as rite of passage or something. Points will be awarded for >the skill and elegance of your arguments and insults. And the humor--especially that. Showing no sense of humor shows you didn't get the joke, which shows you haven't been lurking or checking the Archives or all those other things you should do for a while when joining any list. Dave From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 8:44 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: That Talkshow Madness Davide Mana who was obviously one of "Stryx"'s major supporters [ one should add Stryx Lore: 72% to his character sheet ] wrote: > Greetings. [snip] > Jokes apart - I once attended a sociology lecture in which it was explained > how the Brazilian government supported soap-operas as these were giving teh > population a new, more - sorry - 'first world' outlook. > In particular, the depiction of independent women and of well-to-do > families with no more than two children were considered important points to > get through to the population. > Apparently something similar is being attempted in India. Ironically it's just the other way round in Germany. Conservative politicians criticise soap-operas because of an outlook considered too liberal: Nearly every soap has a gay or lesbian couple, people change their partners pretty often, and so on. Speaking of India: There's a debate going on in Germany about wether one should introduce something like the American Green Card. The reason is that there aren't enough well-trained computer experts in Germany. Then somebody came up with the information that India has a well developed software industry and the idea that it might help to "import" Indian experts. >From an objective point of view imigration of good people is a good thing. But hey, there will be regional elections in one of our states and election time is not the time to be objective. Therefore the conservative party CDU came up with the pretty stupid slogan "Kinder statt Inder" [ Children instead of Indians ]. After this type of campaign was called racist and offensive, they chose another "softer" way. Now the slogan is used by the far right party that calls itself "Republikaner". ObDG: What if the Tcho-Tcho people develop special skills that are useful for some nation's industry or economy and this country starts a huge immigration program? [snip] > As for 'Stryx' (I mispelled it on the previous post).... [snip] > A variety show, with stand-up 'comedians', ballet and singers, a few guests > (including, IIRC, Brian Ferry on one night). > It was 'light entertainment', but the show structure was somewhat loose - > basically there was this big bad party going on all over the soundstage, > with lots of separate 'numbers' running at the same time; the camera roamed > here and there, following the host as he opened up his way through the > crowd with his whip and led the audience to this or that performance - be > it a comic routine, some kind of ballet, a guest singing his latest single > or some short sit-com like set-pieces. > Weird, very experimental. There might be a connection between this show and the Hastur Mythos as we know it from COUNTDOWN. [snip] > The list includes songwriter Tony Renis - currently a big bucks musical > producer in the US (does the name Bocelli ring a bell?) - dressed as the > Black Man and reading cues from a thick leatherbound volume held by a > teenager in filmsy chiton. DRESSED AS A MAN IN BLACK? USING LEATHERBOUND TOMES? MOLESTING TEENAGERS? Heaven, finally we know what the MiB did as a part-time job!!! [snip] > > >Sounds like they used many elements from classical Italian cinema ==> > Caligula > > 'Classical'? > Man, classical Italian cinema is 'Cabiria', not 'Caligula' ;> Oh boy, I am glad that I did not mention my first ideas of classical Italian cinema: L'insegnante balla...con tutta la classe or L'insegnante va in collegio [snip] > >Now these are good scenario seeds: Stolen by whom? > > According to a friend of mine, by some RAI exec that looped the tape and > used it as 'inspiration' while [CENSORED] away in his lonely nights. I thought that was what happened to the films that really showed what happened on Dallas' Elm Street? > > Or maybe they resold selections of it as snuff in Bangcock. That's a cool idea for any snuff related scenario! PCs investigate after they hear from the appearance of snuff videos and they find out that it's just cheap crap produced in Cinécitta to be sold for enormous amounts of cash on the net! [snip] > And yet - production values were very high - it was (IIRC) one of the first > tv shows to be shot in Cinecittà, using some of the soundstages predilected > by Fellini and a lot of the technical talent was first class plus. I have to admit that a lot of what you described of this show kind of reminded me of Fellini's Roma... > As I said, it was one of those make-it-or-break-it things - it could have > deeply influenced Italian TV and, by reflection, society. > Instead it went belly up. You seem to feel sorry about that. ECKHARD From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of William Timmins [wtimmins@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 8:45 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Inside the Deep Ones I vote for the dual system model... While the change occurs, the structures below the ribs form, including muscles along the botton of the cage... maybe along the backribs? Anyhow, I like the idea that the lungs collapse completely underwater. The gillslits open, feeding water through new tubes along the sides of the neck. The new neck is really thick, to accomodate the new structures (which fits our depictions of the Deep Ones) So the lungs collapse, and new structures open up in the chest cavity, filling with (filtered) liquid. Flow is ... hmm. Ooo! Here's an idea... Water flows in the mouth. It is filtered, with debris flushed out from the 'gill slits' (which are not truly gills, in this sense). The 'good' water flows into the chest cavity, into an oxygen exchange system, and then, on exhale, flushed out the backslits. So... breath in. Water flows in, filters, some shunted, with debris, out the slits, into the gill-lungs. Mouth (nostrils) shut, gills shut, water is flushed through the system and out the back. When swimming at high speeds, with a large mouth, you get improved flow through the entire system. DO don't swim all THAT fast, but improved flow when they exert themselves is a good thing. They would need a REALLY fancy glottal mechanism, to handle water flow versus air flow AND food intake. Again, coughing and breathing difficulties during the transition seem likely. Also a lot of body aches and pains. Major assumption is that the DO have very controlled metabolisms. Yes, waterflow of this sort would really screw with core body temperatures. But I suspect DO metabolism would vary depending on environment. In the deeps, a slow metabolism is suitable, reducing oxygen requirements. Cold may not bother them unduly. Anyhow, more thoughts. -=Will ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Rob Shankly [ludo@bigpond.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:24 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: DG FAQ, was Trapanning (Long) Greetings. Trepanning: here's another topic for the "we _have_ discussed that before, please check the digests" list. Mused wrote: > > I thought this was amusing. A trifle long but explains what the Shan have > done to us.... (Whacking great big cut) Not the Muser's fault- it can be hard to find stuff. -- Rob Shankly ludo@bigpond.com.au From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Nocstar [shepherd@infocom.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:32 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re:DG: DGML T-Shirt At 12:57 PM 5/2/2000 +1000, you wrote: >On Mon, 1 May 2000, Dave Farnell wrote: > > > >http://arcadia.buseco.monash.edu.au/~eccles/images/t-shirts/dg_spotting > _huge.gif > > >http://arcadia.buseco.monash.edu.au/~eccles/images/t-shirts/dg_spotting > _small.gif > > > > Um, Tim, those links lead to porno...I think maybe someone hijacked > your pictures. Damn, all I got was pictures of t-shirts! From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Nocstar [shepherd@infocom.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:49 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Pluto > And aren't nearly all the extras in the comics painted as kind >of dog? > >Now this bugs me too. >ECKHARD Yeah, look at Black Pete.