From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of USFORREC1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 3:46 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: OUTLOOK on the move? ***SOME MINOR COUNTDOWN AND ROE SPOILERS BELOW*** * * * * * * * * * * * Several Navy and Coast Guard warships and an estimated 1000 Marines have arrived off Vieques, Puerto Rico in conjunction with federal agents (led by the FBI) and local riot police. Their purpose is to remove about 50 protesters who have been encamped on the Navy bombing range on the island. Now knowing what really lurks on the island and the overwhelming show of force involved, this opens up some questions. Is this a cleanup operation by Majestic in the wake of a DG op (either the one described in ROE or another one) to provide security for the OUTLOOK operation? Have the events in ROE just come to pass and this is the cleanup/containment force (possible if you tinker with the dates in the book a bit)? Is this the beginning of a large-scale Majestic operation in the area or retribution mission because of the ROE op, spearheaded by OUTLOOK? Maybe OUTLOOK is moving to another base and they are there to assist with the move and provide security. Or is this a large-scale DG operation, either to hit OUTLOOK, send a message to Majestic to get them back within the rules of engagement, or as their own containment operation to the events that unfolded in ROE? You decide… -Dave K From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@disinfo.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 5:44 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Pluto On Tue, 2 May 2000 21:23:27 -0400 Mused wrote: >Yosemite Sam makes a good cult leader The idea of having a cult leader say "TAAAAARRRRNATION!" is indeed too good to pass up. And considering his interesting facial-hair situation, he may just be a leftover "fuzzy prehuman." But I was impressed the other day of the implications of Cow and Chicken. I mean, "Momma had a chicken Momma had a cow Daddy was proud He didn't care how" Talk about themes of miscegenation! And if The Red Guy isn't a manifestation of Nyarlathotep, I'll eat my ten-gallon hat. Just as so many human-looking Narly Avatars use names that are--er, not palindomes, the other thing (exhausted after the big Dontaku Festival today)--of Nyarlathotep, all of his names are pointers toward his horrifying lack of trousers. Captain Lackslax From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Steve Allison [sallison@netcomuk.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 5:58 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Pluto Dave Farnell wrote: > But I was impressed the other day of the implications of Cow and Chicken. A program designed to re-wire young brains into something other-than-human if ever there was one. The cartoon channel does my head in these days, not like when I was a kid and we had _proper_cartoons.... Steve -- Stephen Allison sallison@netcomuk.co.uk From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Austin Chamberlain [austin@light.mth.uct.ac.za] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 6:01 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: PARADISE ISLAND On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 07:20:39PM -0400, The Man in Black wrote: > On Mon, 1 May 2000 LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > > > Just let me believe it all worked out and everyone is cool about it now. I'm > > begging you here. > > OK, then you go out into South African slums. But crime is hardly the > problem, it's Debt Service that the IMF keeps rolling the third world > through that keeps the poverty level so high. You'll notice the IMF is > doing the same thing to Russia now. Probably an unwise thing to do to a > country with nuclear weapons. Say, did somebody say South Africa? > But we have no nuclear weapons! We're the only country in the world to have nuclear weapons, and then give them up. Really. I am not a crook. Austin -- These hands!! I can't get them off my wrists!! Oh, God!! - Happy Noodle Boy From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Austin Chamberlain [austin@light.mth.uct.ac.za] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 6:23 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: South Africky Getting rather OT, but hey ... > > And then the inexplicable. They put it to a vote? They voted to go > >sane? > >What the fuck? > Yeah. Go figure. We actually chose not to nuke the townships. > > Just let me believe it all worked out and everyone is cool about it > >now. I'm > >begging you here. > Nope, not really. Take a look at Zimbabwe at the moment - the militants there are getting cheered in the townships and cursed in the suburbs here. But! Despite sky-high corruption/crime/hypocricy etc, things are actually mostly ok. People go on living - what's the alternative? My neighbourhood has only had two bombs in the last two years (the police station and the mosque). > >Mark McFadden > > Wants to believe > > > Yeah, well. Don't. > I wasn't there. Neither were you (I assume). That's something to > be happy about. > Read MY TRAITOR'S HEART, by Rian Malan, 1990, Atlantic Monthly > Press/Morgan Entrekin Books, New York (no ISBN that I can find, probably > look for this at a library rather than a bookstore, it's probably had a > thin run, mostly amongst altie-student bookstores). > That confusion you feel at the absurd turnover? Completely > justified. > If even a tenth of this story is true...things were very, very > bad there. Far more ugly and sickening than the worst of what Americkay > got to see. And they never *really* cleared up. > Believe...that we are very privileged and lucky. Yeah, like you > need to be told that from me :) But still. > obDG: Read the fuckin' book, alright? :) If you can't come up > with something, well, goddamn it, just think Ahtu. Just think Nyarly of > any sort, actually. > Things were very bad in the late 80s, when every mall had armed guards and metal detectors. The country was in a state of emergency, and you could feel it. But when you grow up like that, it starts to feel normal after a while. The 80s saw the "dirty tricks" war, where the liberation/terrorist groups were bombing everything in sight and the police and defense force were assassinating leaders and conducting cross-border raids. Around 1990, the government saw the light, and released people, repealed the Group Areas Act and the other cornerstones of apartheid. Nowadays we're just another third world country, with massive crime, endemic corruption, and an untouchable "liberation" class who can do no wrong. Could be better. Could be much, much worse. Ever think of a nuke as a riot control weapon? Austin Turned 18 just after the end of conscription. -- These hands!! I can't get them off my wrists!! Oh, God!! - Happy Noodle Boy From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Steve Allison [sallison@netcomuk.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 7:08 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Royal Academy to host Apocalypse Inter-gallery rivalry in London leads Royal Academy to hosting 'Apocalypse', an exhibition featuring "the extremes of horror and beauty": http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,216675,00.html According to the curator "It's not about shocking people, though it is about shock. There is a kind of aesthetic to shock which is not respectable in England... Well, we're trying to change that". Yet again life imitates DGML. -- Stephen Allison sallison@netcomuk.co.uk From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 7:21 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Royal Academy to host Apocalypse At 01:08 PM 5/3/00 +0100, you wrote: > >Yet again life imitates DGML. > A friend of mine went to see an Apocalpyse exhibition in London last month... They also had the Red Dragon painting by Blake. So of course he ate it... ahem... From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Til Eulenspiegel [duggerj@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 7:40 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: WACO--He Knew Too Much (long) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Wednesday, 03 May 2000 Attention Conservation Notice: DG relevant real-world news; Waco, TX cover-up - From last Sunday's St. Louis Post-Dispatch: "(AP) WASHINGTON -- Police said Saturday that they are investigating the death of an expert hired by a congressional committee who alleged last October that shots were fired in the Waco siege." Carlos Ghigliotti, 42, a thermal imaging analyst, claimed shots were fired from the ground at the Waco siege on 19 April 1993. He also said IR videotapes confirmed "Davidians fired repeatedly at FBI agents during the assault". Last Friday afternoon, after having not been seen for several weeks, Ghigliotti's badly decomposed body was found at the firm of Infrared Technology outside Washington. "Police found no sign of a break-in or struggle". Maryland's Chief Medical Examiner's office performed an autopsy in Baltimore, and should have finished Monday. Ghigliotti's accusations met FBI denial. The Bureau explained bright spots on IR tape "as reflections of sun rays on shards of glass or other debris that littered the scene." An independent (?) British group agreed with the official explanation. ObDG: *1 Ghigliotti's study of IR videotapes reveals unusual anomalies not normally visible captured on film (Star Vampires while feeding, Fire Vampires, DS, etc.). Further research leads him to dangerous knowledge (re-discovery of summon X spell, for instance). A fatal mishap leads to his disappearance and death. *2 Ghigliotti served as a DG friendly. He became dissatisfied with DG for whatever reason, and then attempted to blackmail the group by first threatening to, and then partially revealing Waco's true nature. Then: *3 or *4 below. *3 ANDREA or other DG agents fix a leak. Yet why did Ghigliotti go missing, and why leave his body at his employer? Do we have evidence of independent action by a DG cell? *4 MJ investigation into DG revealed Ghigliotti as possible friendly. After questioning at OUTLOOK, they Ghigliotti's remains returned to his place of work. *5 MJ investigation into Waco revealed DG involvement. MJ pressured Ghigliotti into giving testimony that might bring attention to DG. If uncooperative, Ghigliotti might have been subject to MK-ULTRA persuasion techniques. If cooperative, Ghigliotti might have been provided a whole new identity as a reward. "Hi there! Welcome to the Majestic-12 Witness Protection Program." *6 The phrase "badly decomposed body" might be a euphemism for a number of different things: a partially eaten body, a ritually dismembered corpse, or ye liveliest awfulness. Perhaps Jean Qualls paid Ghigliotti a visit to learn who or what killed him. A ritually dismembered corpse could lead to an investigation for the murderer(s), and fits nicely with *1 above. Ye liveliest awfulness requires a caster to botch the resurrection spell. This suggests The Fate or other high-powered spell casters. Perhaps the devout Branch Davidians didn't all burn. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBORFvjoJ4fAzAb7AFEQJNewCg+f2T6bdxa/EAirv0afOL3l4aTAcAoIoF XnBqywcODV1T2V57ZbfSByu5 =xqw3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@disinfo.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 7:50 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Discordians Discordianism, Eris, 23, etc have been much discussed on this list, perhaps mystifying the few non-Illuminated members. DG-Friendly organization Disinformation has a very useful dossier on all that, just up, at www.disinfo.com (it's the top dossier just now, titled Discordianism). ObDG: Discordians are better prepped than the average Joe or Jill to accept the Everything We Know Is a Lie. As such, they could more easily transition from "normal life" to taking up arms against the GOO. While their anti-establishment tendencies may get on DG Agents' nerves (feds tend to be pretty conservative), their subversive nature will tend to complement DG's little conspiracy. This makes them good Friendly fodder. Just don't expect them to take orders with a straight face. Dave From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of MARTIN WOLFF [martin_wolff@globalcrossing.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 8:21 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Inside the Deep Ones The way the DO physiology is going, there seems to be some kind of consensus the DOs are cold blooded. If so, what kind of changes would need to take place to a human/DO half 'n' half to change from warm to cold blooded. I remember last week that someone found a fossilized dinosaur heart and concluded that dinosaurs could be warm blooded so there's a start. Can anyone who knows flesh it out further? Martin. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Chris Pencis [cpencis@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 8:59 AM To: Delta Green Subject: DG: Bouncing mail messages ->Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown Apparently a Florian Lang in Munich has subscribed to the DGML. This is great - its great to have new members... however his email server bounces everything from a yahoo.com email address. So for every DG message I send to the list, I get a returned mail - user unknown. Where's the Womack stick when we need it! Anyone know of a way to fix this? Of course Florian won't get this email as of course it'll be bounced to me. Anyone else getting messages reflected due to someone's subscription? Its the little things that make life so meaningful.... aaargh (sound of easily frustrated net user running and venting). Chris   ---------------------- Mail Delivery Subsystem wrote: Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 06:50:18 +0200 (MET DST) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: Subject: Returned mail: User unknown The original message was received at Wed, 3 May 2000 06:50:17 +0200 (MET DST) from vm.fh-muenchen.de [129.187.85.9] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to mx0.gmx.net.: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 The recipient does not accept mails from 'yahoo.com' over foreign mailservers 550 ... User unknown > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/delivery-status > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:18:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Pencis Subject: Re: FAQ Urgency (was Re: DG: People...people who hate people) To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Reply-to: dgrpg@delta-green.com [Body of original-bounced message snipped] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of R. Hyrum Savage [hyrum@otherworlds.cx] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 10:05 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Trouble in Texas I thought this would be interesting. It seems like the Universe just wants me to get my game underway. <> http://www.startext.net/news/doc/1047/1:TOPHOME4/1:TOPHOME40502100.html ObDG: I think the article speaks for itself. :) Hyrum. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Steve Allison [sallison@netcomuk.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 10:11 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Inside the Deep Ones > The way the DO physiology is going, there seems to be some kind of consensus > the DOs are cold blooded. Which doesn't make much sense to me I'm afraid. I reckon the metabolic differences between cold/warm blooded organisms would make interbreeding tricky. Whales and so on manage to swim about in the deeps (admittedly they don't spend all their time there) despite being warm blooded, *and* DOs are routinely described as being 'blubbery', which to me indicates some kind of insulating layer. Similarly they don't seem to exhibit the sluggish-when-cold behaviour of cold-bloods. The problem of maintaining core temperatures despite having to pass gallons of cold water over their gills to breathe is really the only sticking point. I think I shall present a maverick 'warm blooded' hypothesis at some point :) Steve -- Stephen Allison sallison@netcomuk.co.uk From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 11:11 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Bouncing mail messages ->Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown On 3 May, 2000 AD, Chris Pencis reported: >Apparently a Florian Lang in Munich has subscribed to the DGML. This is >great - its great to have new members... however his email server bounces >everything from a yahoo.com email address. So for every DG message I send >to the list, I get a returned mail - user unknown. Where's the Womack >stick when we need it! Anyone know of a way to fix this? Of course >Florian won't get this email as of course it'll be bounced to me. Anyone >else getting messages reflected due to someone's subscription? Yes, I'm experiencing the same problem with my posts bouncing off Florian Lang! (Sort of like bullets bouncing off Superman's chest -- though I don't know if Mr. Lang would then duck the revolver if I threw it at him...) It's been going on for several days, now. So, it isn't just yahoo.com addresses it does it to -- my email account is on Hotmail! By the way, has anybody else had trouble accessing the Emerald Hammer site? I haven't been able to get to it since January or so, and I've tried it from several computers, using the link the MiB provides in his signature, as well as that on the DG Webring site, and entering the address manually! (It keeps saying "unable to access"!) Could the two problems be related somehow? (Like any good conspiracy theorist, I'm looking hard for patterns where there are probably none...) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 11:54 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Trouble in Texas R. Hyrum Savage schrieb: [snip] > < Jail inmate considered to be possessed with demons. > > Several officials called the ceremony an "exorcism," while a jail spokesman > described it as an "individual religious service" that became "loud and > potentially disruptive." > > An unnamed volunteer chaplain conducted the ritual, replete with chants, > about 8:30 a.m., in an attempt to expel evil spirits from a 38-year-old man > charged with sexually assaulting a child, Sheriff's Department officials > said.>> Pretty strange incident. And what I consider the most disturbing is the fact [ as stated in the article ] that the exorcism was stopped before it was finished. Probably DG should check out wether the officials at Tarrant County Jail are cultists who keep their inmates obsessed by demons and who interfere with any desperate attempt to rescue those poor souls. Just an idea, ECKHARD From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of EdDrWho@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 11:56 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Bouncing mail messages ->Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown In a message dated 5/3/00 11:15:07 AM Central Daylight Time, theherald@hotmail.com writes: > Yes, I'm experiencing the same problem with my posts bouncing off > Florian Lang! (Sort of like bullets bouncing off Superman's chest -- though > I don't know if Mr. Lang would then duck the revolver if I threw it at > him...) It's been going on for several days, now. So, it isn't just > yahoo.com addresses it does it to -- my email account is on Hotmail! I'll jump on the bandwagon with a hearty "Me Too, Dammit!" From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Louise Hayes [Pandora@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 7:27 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: That Talkshow Madness -----Original Message----- From: Davide Mana To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Date: 02 May 2000 00:00 Subject: Re: DG: That Talkshow Madness > >Two other Italian TV shows, on the other hand, could be of interest. > > . Chi l'Ha Visto (Who Saw Him?) >One of Italy's longest running prime-time investigation journalism shows. >Each week, three or four cases about missing persons are presented - >families and friends are interviewed, a reconstruction of the last actions >of the disappearing person is shown, photos both straight and digitally >manipulated to add aging or makeup are presented. >then the audience is invited to phone (the show goes on air live) should >they have any info on the case. >Some of the cases presented were actually solved thanks to audience >intervention, and a number of specials were produced, centering on >particularly mysterious cases from the past. > >Possible applications are obvious - PhenomenX could run something like this. > Ah, the delights of Italian TV... About the only we get here in the UK is the Stripping Housewives on cable. Italian TV has the reputation (not wholly undeserved) of being the worst in Europe, but when the networks can buy up American imports relatively cheaply, you need to spend less to make/sell home grown material. But then the American imports were a necessity if Christian Democrats wanted to continue the war against the Communists... I should explain that I did a degree in Journalism Studies and one of disertations I submitted was on Berlusconi. Everyone goes on about how scarey Rupert Murdoch and his media empire is... Paah!! Murdoch would never get away with the overt media manipulation that Berlusconi got away with... How else do you think he could have built a party and got elected as Prime Minister in seven weeks? One wonders what links there may be to the Italian government from MJ? -- Pookie (Pookie@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk) "Don't take your pineal gland for granted. Pamper it! Essential Oils! Rubdowns! It could save your ass someday." - Tlg'manh, Unspeakable Oath 14/15 See http://www.chorazin.org.uk/pookie/ for GURPS: Jorune, Luther Arkwright, 2300AD, Rally Cry!, Strikeforce Morituri, Xenozoic Tales & Black Kiss NOTE: Posted via my girlfriend's e-mail service. She's Pandora. I'm the above. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Louise Hayes [Pandora@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 7:28 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: [Re: DG: Re: Pagoda] -----Original Message----- From: Nick Brownlow To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Date: 02 May 2000 00:07 Subject: Re: [Re: DG: Re: Pagoda] > >>Ah. That would be Dungeons and Starships opposite the Coach Station >>then.... unless you mean the Virgin MegaStore (seriously, I went into the >>latter once and tried to buy one but they claimed to be out of stock. >Bait >>and Switch, that's what I call it...). There would seem to be a nasty >case >>of coincidence going on here. > >>Confused yet? > >I know *exactly* what you're talking about. Regarding your earlier Bournville >post- Toytown man, totally toytown. > >On the subject of Erdington- you're a braver person than I am. > Actually it's not too bad if you like the view of spaghetti junction... -- Pookie (Pookie@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk) "Don't take your pineal gland for granted. Pamper it! Essential Oils! Rubdowns! It could save your ass someday." - Tlg'manh, Unspeakable Oath 14/15 See http://www.chorazin.org.uk/pookie/ for GURPS: Jorune, Luther Arkwright, 2300AD, Rally Cry!, Strikeforce Morituri, Xenozoic Tales & Black Kiss NOTE: Posted via my girlfriend's e-mail service. She's Pandora. I'm the above. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Louise Hayes [Pandora@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 7:39 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Amber Room -----Original Message----- From: Gil Trevizo To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Date: 02 May 2000 00:14 Subject: Re: DG: The Amber Room > >And to add more DGness to all this, check out Ken Hite's recent >article on the Amber Room at Pyramid Online, if you're a subscriber*: > >http://www.sjgames.com/pyramid/login/article.cgi?1471 > >Gil Trevizo >furrylogic@mindspring.com > >* which every self-respecting DG Keeper should be, for Hite's >Suppressed Transmissions alone. > And if you haven't picked up the collected edition of the first year, you should... Suppressed Transmission - The First Broadcast ISBN 1-55634-423-6 Also picked up picked Warehouse 23 this weekend - a real bargain at £5. -- Pookie (Pookie@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk) "Don't take your pineal gland for granted. Pamper it! Essential Oils! Rubdowns! It could save your ass someday." - Tlg'manh, Unspeakable Oath 14/15 See http://www.chorazin.org.uk/pookie/ for GURPS: Jorune, Luther Arkwright, 2300AD, Rally Cry!, Strikeforce Morituri, Xenozoic Tales & Black Kiss NOTE: Posted via my girlfriend's e-mail service. She's Pandora. I'm the above. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Louise Hayes [Pandora@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 7:46 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: FAQ it. -----Original Message----- From: The Man in Black To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Date: 02 May 2000 01:21 Subject: Re: DG: FAQ it. >On Mon, 1 May 2000, Louise Hayes wrote: > > >> >3. LURK YOU FREAK~! If you do not lurk for an appreciable period, you will >> >be swimming with the sharks, I guarantee it. How did you get a computer >> >and learn email operations without enough brains to bother with >> >netiquette. This applies to discussion lists and usenet as well, BTW. >> > >> Please/Thank you. There's netiquette and there's etiquette. I believe in >> both. > >I thought Emily Post was dead. Pushin' up the daisies, restin' in peace, >she's singin' in the choir invisible. Her book can die too. The MiB >doesn't need to know what side of the dish the fork is on. Come to think >of it, who needs a fork or a dish anyway, if ya' smell what I'm cookin'. > Well, there's etiquette and there's etiquette. After all, we're not inviting anyone to dinner are we? (Hell, I don't even know any DG players in the area...) But that said, there is still the need for good manners. Without those you quickly find that you have no friends, no life... >> How a list of reccomended reading on the FAQ - or a link to one? > >Yeah, the ICE CAVE has one, along with Music and stuff. It could use some >reviews or summaries pointing toward ObDG however. > This should be something along the lines of other reccomended media - books non/fiction, RPGs, movies, TV and music as well. -- Pookie (Pookie@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk) "Don't take your pineal gland for granted. Pamper it! Essential Oils! Rubdowns! It could save your ass someday." - Tlg'manh, Unspeakable Oath 14/15 See http://www.chorazin.org.uk/pookie/ for GURPS: Jorune, Luther Arkwright, 2300AD, Rally Cry!, Strikeforce Morituri, Xenozoic Tales & Black Kiss NOTE: Posted via my girlfriend's e-mail service. She's Pandora. I'm the above. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Louise Hayes [Pandora@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 8:26 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Pluto -----Original Message----- From: Mused To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Date: 03 May 2000 00:40 Subject: Re: DG: Pluto >The problem is that PLuto repeatedly demonstrates that he understands the >content of Mickey's speech as well as intent. He is intelligent. Maybe he is >a mutant of some kind. > >The mutants, born without developed vocal cords opr thumbs are forced into >servitude and are not allowed to wear clothes. > >HAY-ZEUS, is Walt Disney's world evil or what? > Walt Disney. Now there's a nice man. Couldn't even draw Mickey's head... Disliked Union labour and was reputedly a fan of a certain A. Hitler. That is until it very became UnAmerican... -- Pookie (Pookie@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk) "Don't take your pineal gland for granted. Pamper it! Essential Oils! Rubdowns! It could save your ass someday." - Tlg'manh, Unspeakable Oath 14/15 See http://www.chorazin.org.uk/pookie/ for GURPS: Jorune, Luther Arkwright, 2300AD, Rally Cry!, Strikeforce Morituri, Xenozoic Tales & Black Kiss NOTE: Posted via my girlfriend's e-mail service. She's Pandora. I'm the above. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Louise Hayes [Pandora@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 7:51 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Out of the closet (was Re: FAQ Urgency) -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Ewing To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Date: 02 May 2000 02:20 Subject: Re: DG: Out of the closet (was Re: FAQ Urgency) > > >Davide Mana wrote: > > >> .....Sorry, another intermission. >> Does someone remember when last summer we did a 'Suckiest Job' poll, and I >> sort of came on top having worked as a scarecrow? >> Well, I've got a new entry. > >Ah, "Suckiest Job"! That was YT, and I got a Womack-Down for my >trouble. The SJs were, if memory serves correctly, to be incorporated >into the self-as-NPC, but sadly, that seems to have been lost. With so >many esteemed new list members, perhaps it is time to revisit this >topic. I submit that this *can* be highly DG-relevant, as fleshing out >for NPCs or Agents, cover stories or scene setting. One of my favorites >was (Mr. Petherick, perhaps?) the suggestion that poultry slaughtering >was the single worst job ever. I now long to set a scene in a poultry >slaughter house: terrified South Asian workers in respirators who won't >cooperate with Feds for fear of INS retribution, the noise, gore and >flying feathers, potential neutral adversaries in the form of escaped >panicked 25 lb turkeys, etc., etc. Also a brief note of my favorite >X-Files which was set around a poultry processing plant that did a >sideline in Long Pig; "Good People Make Good Food". High marks also to >Dr. Dee's starling-frightener: what could be better surveillance cover >than a job that keeps a person stationed in a downtown square with >electronic gear at all hours? > Suckiest job? I have student friends who gripe about MacDonalds/restaurants/etc... I just go, "I bagged chicken feet. For two summers..." Wins everytime. -- Pookie (Pookie@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk) "Don't take your pineal gland for granted. Pamper it! Essential Oils! Rubdowns! It could save your ass someday." - Tlg'manh, Unspeakable Oath 14/15 See http://www.chorazin.org.uk/pookie/ for GURPS: Jorune, Luther Arkwright, 2300AD, Rally Cry!, Strikeforce Morituri, Xenozoic Tales & Black Kiss NOTE: Posted via my girlfriend's e-mail service. She's Pandora. I'm the above. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Louise Hayes [Pandora@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 8:06 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: That Talkshow Madness -----Original Message----- From: Davide Mana To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Date: 02 May 2000 13:24 Subject: Re: DG: That Talkshow Madness Greetings. >> Eckhard should watch less TV.... ;> > >Oh my, you sound like my parents. .... and they are wise persons. You should heed their counsels. >ObDG: An American conspiracy to dominate the world by influencing the people's or >peoples' minds to the American way of life? Hidden messages in the show? Jokes apart - I once attended a sociology lecture in which it was explained how the Brazilian government supported soap-operas as these were giving teh population a new, more - sorry - 'first world' outlook. In particular, the depiction of independent women and of well-to-do families with no more than two children were considered important points to get through to the population. Apparently something similar is being attempted in India. [This was also done in Mexico to educate the Roman catholic population as the advantages of birth control via a soap opera. I did a six week course on second world TV - particularly Australian Aboriginal braodcasting and Brazilian TV. Can't remember a word of it without consulting my notes and they're in a box 150 miles away. I think. Seriously, this was done in Italy for the 1948 elections, though not with TV. Bombarded the population with American way of life through postcards from and free telephone calls to relatives in the USA; plus cinema vans touring the countryside. The later ironically, was an idea first used by the Bolsheviks in the civil war period of 1918-20.] -- Pookie (Pookie@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk) "Don't take your pineal gland for granted. Pamper it! Essential Oils! Rubdowns! It could save your ass someday." - Tlg'manh, Unspeakable Oath 14/15 See http://www.chorazin.org.uk/pookie/ for GURPS: Jorune, Luther Arkwright, 2300AD, Rally Cry!, Strikeforce Morituri, Xenozoic Tales & Black Kiss NOTE: Posted via my girlfriend's e-mail service. She's Pandora. I'm the above. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Louise Hayes [Pandora@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 8:30 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Bu-bye, and thanks for all the.....whatever -----Original Message----- From: LizardRoi@aol.com To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Date: 03 May 2000 01:14 Subject: Re: DG: Bu-bye, and thanks for all the.....whatever >In a message dated 00-05-02 16:54:27 EDT, you write: > > > Note: some police officers (including plain clothes) wear a clip-on tie, >since they are reluctant to provide a convenient handle for a perp to grab. > Actually I belive this is now standard for all UK police forces. -- Pookie (Pookie@banshee-lair.freeserve.co.uk) "Don't take your pineal gland for granted. Pamper it! Essential Oils! Rubdowns! It could save your ass someday." - Tlg'manh, Unspeakable Oath 14/15 See http://www.chorazin.org.uk/pookie/ for GURPS: Jorune, Luther Arkwright, 2300AD, Rally Cry!, Strikeforce Morituri, Xenozoic Tales & Black Kiss NOTE: Posted via my girlfriend's e-mail service. She's Pandora. I'm the above. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 12:34 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Bouncing mail messages ->Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown Well. Everything is fine with me. No bouncing from Herr Lang. Does anybody know just what kind of e-mail server he is using? ECKHARD EdDrWho@aol.com schrieb: [snip] > > I'll jump on the bandwagon with a hearty "Me Too, Dammit!" > From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Joseph Camp [alphonse@delta-green.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 1:11 PM To: dgrpg Subject: Re: DG: Bouncing mail messages ->Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown >Anyone know of a way to fix this? Curious. Florian's account isn't bouncing any email back to the list admin, which is what typically happens when, for example, a mailbox is full; I have to unsubscribe a couple people every week because their in-box exceeds their mail server's quota and they start kicking back all the email, but that hasn't happened with Florian's account. Nor has his account bounced my recent post. Florian? be seeing you, Alphonse From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Chris Womack [jcwomack@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 1:11 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Bouncing mail messages ->Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown As I've seen my name invoked in conjunction with the problem in question, I might as well chime in: This is definitely something for the FAQ. "Hey, what do I do when my e-mail bounces back to me from one of the listmembers?" The correct answer is NOT to blather about it on the list and touch off yet another round of "hey me too!" "does anybody know what this guy's problem is?" etc. posts. It's certainly a TDTD, and not just for this list. If you think the list is misbehaving (in a purely technical sense), then send an e-mail to the list admin *OFF-LIST*, who will in turn exercise his obligation to pester the site admin to fix the problem. This was how it worked in the past, and I've no doubts as to its continued efficacy. Chris Womack jcwomack@earthlink.net Keeper of the DGML (Ret'd.) From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of forvalaka@juno.com Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 1:08 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Trouble in Texas > < Tarrant County > Jail inmate considered to be possessed with demons. That's only 20 minutes from me. Maybe I should check it out. Maybe as a matter of self defense. ObDG: Undercover ops in prison. Experiments being run on prisoners. Could be The Fate, given the setting. Could be MJ-12 working with a captive audience. DG operative or friendly gets arrested after committing a heinous and uncharacteristic crime. Did he slip over the edge or was he a victim of a mind transfer spell? And who was that chanting in the cell? PC(s) are arrested for a crime and put in jail. Were they framed, or did they do something they don't remember? And who does that nice young chaplain work for. That doesn't sound like Latin... Inmate is the tip of the iceberg. Cleric in question is legit, if perhaps unconventional. (Is your church BATF approved?) The inmate belongs to/is a victim of a local cult, or a local chapter of a larger cult. Charles O. Baucum Jr. Mortuus non est quod in aeternum insiditur et aetate ignota mors ipsas finiretur From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of forvalaka@juno.com Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 1:31 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Trouble in Texas > Pretty strange incident. And what I consider the most disturbing is > the fact [ as > stated in the article ] that the exorcism was stopped before it was > finished. The thing I find most distrubing is that it happened about 30 minutes drive from my home. Charles O. Baucum Jr. Mortuus non est quod in aeternum insiditur et aetate ignota mors ipsas finiretur From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of William Timmins [wtimmins@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 2:07 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Bouncing mail messages ->Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown >From: Joseph Camp > > >Anyone know of a way to fix this? > >Curious. Florian's account isn't bouncing any email back to the list >admin, which is what typically happens when, for example, a mailbox is For what it's worth, this has been happening to me for a while, now. -=Will ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Joseph Camp [alphonse@delta-green.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 3:41 PM To: dgrpg Subject: DG: The Conspiracy Slips Up On CNN Headline News this afternoon, Secretary of State Madelaine Albright is chastising her department over security issues. In the clip on CNN, she is wearing a distinctive lapel pin: that of a penny-farthing bicycle, emblem of the Village. Evidently she is the new Number Two. be seeing you, Alphonse From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Quiller [quiller@quiller.demon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 3:39 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Bu-bye, and thanks for all the.....whatever In message <48.4e18fc2.2640c7ca@aol.com>, LizardRoi@aol.com writes > Note: some police officers (including plain clothes) wear a clip-on tie, >since they are reluctant to provide a convenient handle for a perp to grab. A trick used by bodyguards/protection officers for many a long year. Decent tailors will make clip-on out of whatever nice silk tie you choose, whilst altering your suit to allow for the bulge under the armpit. Steve Pritchard "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" -Juvenal, Satires, VI, 347 From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 3:49 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Inside the Deep Ones ----- Original Message ----- From: MARTIN WOLFF > The way the DO physiology is going, there seems to be some kind of consensus > the DOs are cold blooded. If so, what kind of changes would need to take place > to a human/DO half 'n' half to change from warm to cold blooded. I don't think it's that absolute. I think the DO are able to switch between two metabolic "phases". There is far more oxygen in a given volume of air than an equivalent voulme of water and gill-breathers simply cannot sustain the metabolic rate necessary to keep warm while immersed in water. So the phases are: 1) Gill-breathing, low metabolic rate, low core temperature (10-15 degrees Centigrade). 2) Air-breathing, high metabolic rate, high core temperature (35-40 degrees Centigrade). In phase 1) they can swim underwater indefinitely but are not very quick or energetic. Only in phase 2) do they have the energy needed to run about while standing erect on land. In phase 2) they might also be "surface swimming" - swimming near the surface and air breathing. The crucial point is that the high metabolic rate needs air breathing to sustain it. While they are in phase 2) they are homeothermic - "warm blooded" in common parlance. In phase 1) they are piolkiothermic - "cold blooded" - but they never lose the ability to switch (unless they lose it when they get very big, very old, too big to ever come back to the land). To switch to "warm blood" they would have to generate about 600 Kilocalories of heat - equivalent to a third of your resting metabolic output for a day. This is a big effort, equivalent to climbing a 2000 ft hill. The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of William Timmins [wtimmins@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 3:57 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Inside the Deep Ones >From: "Andy Robertson" >To switch to "warm blood" they would have to generate about 600 >Kilocalories >of heat - equivalent to a third of your resting metabolic output for a day. >This is a big effort, equivalent to climbing a 2000 ft hill. > Would it be possible that they can store oxygen in some long term sense? If they could slowly bind oxygen into another medium, they could then, perhaps, hyperoxygenate as they rise to the air, giving them a kickstart, essentially. Yes, still the same effort, but this gives them some lead time. Of course, all of this misses the possible supernatural aspects. Given the aversion for Elder's Signs, for example, my pet setup would define them as 'not fully terrene'. Perhaps their metabolism has some unusual component that assists in various aspects of our discussion. I still think the current line of discussion is quite valid, given diverse tastes. Those who like an 'odd' bent can always twist science to suit. Those who like science have more trouble. Add to that the lack of any other clear, supernatural aspects to the Deep Ones. Anyhow, some thoughts. -=Will ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 4:06 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Discordians In a message dated 00-05-03 08:52:30 EDT, you write: << ObDG: Discordians are better prepped than the average Joe or Jill to accept the Everything We Know Is a Lie. As such, they could more easily transition from "normal life" to taking up arms against the GOO. While their anti-establishment tendencies may get on DG Agents' nerves (feds tend to be pretty conservative), their subversive nature will tend to complement DG's little conspiracy. This makes them good Friendly fodder. Just don't expect them to take orders with a straight face. >> I don't generally use Discordians per se in gaming, they do offer a lot of useful proclivities. I've been putting out vague hints about a "Kilroy" out there. I've sometimes made vague references to the West Coast DG. This is more than me clowning with stuff from the Illuminatus Trilogy. It's not advertised much, but when the race to the moon got kicked off and we upped the ante in Vietnam, there was a sudden need to get lots and lots of MIT and CIT grads security clearances so we could fight the Evil Empire's German Scientists. They quickly learned that they would have to back off on the recreational drug use and sexual activity questions if they hoped to fill their quota with the best from CalTech, or Stanford or any number of graduates from other schools. Unofficially, there were two standards of security; one for California and one for everyone else. When you consider that there are more Nobel prizes awarded to California residents than any other demographic, this is not a small consideration. Kilroy (ex-OSS and a peer of Joe Camp's) has his own take on the Cowboy Code. 1) Some things are too important to leave to the government. 2) Espionage is a poor imitation of professional crime. 3) Who watches the watchers watching the watchers? 4) Not so sure about the policy of keeping information away from people. Says who? And you are qualified to make these decisions because....? 5) Doesn't see much difference between DG and MJ-12, at least from the citizen's POV. 6) Fnord I'm in the process of writing the story that explains all this ('A Day At The Races'), and it includes a biographical sketch of Kilroy that might even be true as we usually define truth. No one gives orders to Kilroy if they want to continue the dialogue. He'll work with you, but not for you. And his organization, (it only seems like chaos to outsiders and the congenitally binary) can do more than you might imagine. That's one of their strengths. Look at the airports with offices for Tiger Transit. Do you see one of the largest and busiest airports on the west coast, strategically located next to the Valley of the Black Holes, the USAF Space Command and Spook Central West on that list? You do not. Does The Fate have a foothold in Los Angeles, is there a strong East Coast organized crime presence in Los Angeles? Not since Kilroy recruited Dudley Smith. Fuck those mooks and stregas, they're out-of-state and reek of Toetapper. They can just stop at Vegas where they belong. Enough for now. First, finish the story, then start working on the sourcebook. Eyes Only Volume 23: The Show Mark McFadden