From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@disinfo.net] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 8:44 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Elder Sign On Thu, 04 May 2000 12:14:40 EDT William Timmins wrote: >In any case, my explanation is that the Elder Sign is a domain stabilizer. >That is, it's geometry enforces the stability of our dimension and limits >crossdimensional effects. Why are beings warded by it? Obviously, their >inherent makeup is multidimensional and, thus, irritated or damaged by this >dimensional obstruction. That makes a lot of sense, much more than my previous vague ideas about it somehow acting against some sort of "GOO-ness" factor. But if this is the answer, then here are a few it would *not* work against (probably): Most cultists Ghouls Shoggoths Elder Things Deep Ones But we "know" it works against Deep Ones, because of "The Shadow over Innsmouth." Well, maybe. Assuming old Zadock has the right info *and* rememberd correctly *and* was telling the truth, maybe the DO's connection to Cthulhu--maybe through constant telepathy--was messed up by proximity of the Elder Sign, and this could throw them into confusion or even cause pain or some such sensation. Regarding Shoggoths, we could say that the Elder Things programmed them to bow down to the Elder Sign; thus, the reason for its affect on them could be different. This could also apply to the Ghouls--they could have a religious regard for the ES. Heretics might be a problem, though. THis has got my brain spinning. Good. Dave From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@disinfo.net] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 9:06 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Jury endures `yuck factor' On Thu, 4 May 2000 16:05:53 EDT LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > "I aimed a front snap kick at his ass. It struck clean and true. It was good. > Later, I relaxed with my team eating buckets of large shrimp boiled in >seawater with lime, washed down with the cold, light beer of the Keys. They >were tart and good and the beer was pure and true. > It was a good day." I always love a good Hemingway parody, and Faulkner parodies are almost as much fun. At the same time, I love the originals, but there's just something about their distinctive styles that is easily parodied. There are yearly "Bad Hemingway" and "Bad Faulkner" contests; so why not start our own "Bad Lovecraft" contest? Hell, even HPL wrote parodies of his own works. Plenty of people *unintentionally* parody the Old Man; I say it's time we do it on purpose. Dave From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of EdDrWho@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 9:12 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Jury endures `yuck factor' In a message dated 5/4/00 9:10:01 PM Central Daylight Time, superdave@disinfo.net writes: > so why not start our own "Bad Lovecraft" contest? Hell, even HPL wrote > parodies of his own works. Plenty of people *unintentionally* parody the Old > Man; I say it's time we do it on purpose. My attempts at Lovecraftian fiction would make your virgin eyes ache. Ed (Who is a humor columnist for the College paper, and wishes he could write "serious" prose) From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Daniel Harms [dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 10:57 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: WACO--He Knew Too Much (long) At 10:42 PM 5/3/2000 EDT, Mark McFadden wrote: >Cults, Anti-Cultists and the Cult of Intelligence >http://www.blythe.org/NameBase/newsline.05 > Good stuff. Shows how your cell can get some people killed with another >agency's agents. Plus, the bit down at the end about the "Finders" is definitely worth a story seed or two, and should probably have a place on the DG timeline. Yrs., Daniel Harms dmharms@acsu.buffalo.edu The Internet: Learn what you know. Share what you don't. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@disinfo.net] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 11:18 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re:DG: Traveller Alert On Tue, 2 May 2000 11:08:54 GMT0BST Robert Thomas wrote: >I'm going to suggest this coming Saturday at 4pm GMT which will >be morning in the USA and evening in the Far East. Thanks for the instructions, Rob, but as that's 1 a.m. here, and I'm spooked by the present virus, I'm going to steer clear. I don't really have any questions anyway--like I said before, I want a shirt, and if not enough people go for it and I have to pay a little extra, that's OK by me--just let me know the price before you charge it on my card. Take care, Dave From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Philip A Posehn [paposehn@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 11:20 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Jury endures `yuck factor' Considering HPL's love of adjectives it could be the "Dark and Stormy Night in Arkham" contest. Phil On 5 May 2000 02:05:57 -0000 "Dave Farnell" writes: > > why not start our own "Bad Lovecraft" contest? Hell, > even HPL wrote parodies of his own works. Plenty of people > *unintentionally* parody the Old Man; I say it's time we do it on > purpose. > > Dave > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Joseph Camp [alphonse@delta-green.com] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 11:37 PM To: dgrpg Subject: DG: [ADMIN] Getting Help This is as good a time as any to note that I don't keep up with many of the messages and discussion threads of the list; I tend to skim them looking for matters requiring official reply. So if you need list-related admin assistance of some sort, please write to me directly: alphonse@delta-green.com Messages to owner-dgrpg may not catch my eye, as I'm using some email scripts to process the likes of "Warning: Could Not Deliver Your Message For Four Hours." I catch the usual subscription/unsubscription requests and such, but I may miss some others. I'll update the new-subscriber message soon with this. As noted earlier, I'll also be adding the FAQ to that message whenever the FAQ organizers feel it's ready. And incidentally, the folks at Pagan Publishing tell me that most every Project RAINBOW order as of last Monday has been shipped out. Orders since Monday should go out early next week. be seeing you, Alphonse From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Philip A Posehn [paposehn@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 11:51 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: The Stars are right. Didn't see anything about this when I skimmed my mail today so forgive me if someone else mentioned it under an unrelated subject line. Yesterday all 7 visible planets were in Taurus. The last time all 7 were in the same house was during the Cuban Missle Crisis. Phil ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 11:58 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: That Talkshow Madness On Tue, 2 May 2000, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: > DRESSED AS A MAN IN BLACK? USING LEATHERBOUND TOMES? MOLESTING TEENAGERS? > Heaven, finally we know what the MiB did as a part-time job!!! Hey, it's a living :) The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 12:05 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: That Talkshow Madness On Tue, 2 May 2000, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: > ObDG: TV experiences in your early years seem to be very important for the > development of character and interests. Therefore confronting children with > certain kind of shows could make them a) better citizens b) mass murderers / > serial killers c) people who like boobies. Or all of the above! > > Yep, it was probably the first Italian broadcast of Carcosa Television. > > Carcosa TV. Sounds like a cool name for small but developing private TV > station that is said to change its viewers. In Europe, maybe, I wouldn't know. In N. America, Carcosa TV would be a Public Access cable program. The freak that presses play and where said freak gets those fancy super beta tapes is a whole 'nother story. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 12:09 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: That Talkshow Madness On Tue, 2 May 2000, Davide Mana wrote: > >Carcosa TV. Sounds like a cool name for small but developing private TV > >station that is said to change its viewers. > > I'd prefer Yith-TV.... > A bit second hand, 'tho. > Like the 'My goodness, I'm trapped in a TV show' concept - TDTD. > > The question is - what possible Mythos uses can be devised for television > that have not already been done to death by TV itself? Let's not forget MAX HEADROOM. Instead of sending agents into the TV, have them interact with an entity from within. The possibility of Fractals iterating themselves into the mix cannot be overlooked either. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Popeyesays@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 12:22 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: That Talkshow Madness In a message dated 5/5/00 12:09:47 AM Central Daylight Time, mib@cyberspace.org writes: << Let's not forget MAX HEADROOM. Instead of sending agents into the TV, have them interact with an entity from within. The possibility of Fractals iterating themselves into the mix cannot be overlooked either. >> Ah the good old days of cyberpunk television - I miss the Max Headroon series - wish I could get all the episodes on tape! From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 12:27 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Pluto On Tue, 2 May 2000 Popeyesays@aol.com wrote: > Definitely a dog as Clarabelle was a cow and Harry was a horse. Of course I > always thought Warner Brothers cartoons were far more surreal and also > funnier - Wiley Coyote is the paragon of evil cult leaders, don't you think? The only thing Wile E. Coyote "SuperGenius" (note the correct spelling) happens to be is a paragon of virtue and overly loyal ACME customer. If you are looking for an evil cult leader, you need go no further than that filthy rodent known as Mickey. All the desert wolf tries to do is enjoy a simple gourmet meal of roadrunner. Meanwhile, the Disney corporation is rapidly accumulating power and wealth for theier dead and frozen god. Who's the cult leader now, I ask you? The Man in Black is : an ACME stockholder. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Popeyesays@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 12:34 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Pluto In a message dated 5/5/00 12:27:57 AM Central Daylight Time, mib@cyberspace.org writes: << Who's the cult leader now, I ask you? >> I think Mickey was only the front man stooge for the operation - the real successor Walt "Old Gnarly" Disney was Jimminy Cricket - he fooled everyone including the blue fairy. Good old Pinocchio was carved from what kind of wood and invested with life by the Blue Fairy - obviously an avatar of of good ol' Shub Niggurath - Jimminy cashed in quick with control of the wooden boy. Getting turned into flesh and blood is a pastiche of some vile ritual at best and Jimminy was right in there egging on the powers that be and cutting a big slice of the pie for himself. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 12:44 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Traveller Alert On Tue, 2 May 2000, Robert Thomas wrote: > Everyone should be made aware that two traveller vehicles have > been recovered in South Africa: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_732000/732604.stm > > congratulations to whoever we have in NASA for the wonderfull > cover story they got into the article. I think the phrases "big metal balls" and "white hot" are the key words in this article. How else would Rob find out about this arcticle? The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Amanda A. Cronk [bodezilla@erols.com] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 12:51 AM To: Delta Green Subject: Re: DG: Re: Bring me the head of the Okanagan Lake monster. ----- Original Message ----- From: The Man in Black DON'T SEND ATTACHMENTS TO MAILING LISTS~! A simple URL leading to the article saves a lot of server load (and therefore time and money). Why ALPHONSE doesn't set the server to refuse attachments is beyond me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I already went over this with Mark McFadden. I won't attach anything again. Sorry. Amanda "God is dead." "Nietzsche is dead." --Friedrich Nietzsche --God From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 12:58 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Jury endures `yuck factor' In a message dated 5/4/00 7:10:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, superdave@disinfo.net writes: << There are yearly "Bad Hemingway" and "Bad Faulkner" contests; so why not start our own "Bad Lovecraft" contest? Hell, even HPL wrote parodies of his own works. Plenty of people *unintentionally* parody the Old Man; I say it's time we do it on purpose. Dave >> If we restrict it to a few paragraphs that capture the style, just as the Bad Hemingay and Bad Faulkner contests (why no Bad Steinbeck to complete the Triumvirate?) do, it could be fun. Although I find the 'shaggy-dog story ending with a pun' format adopted in recent years to be a bit annoying. I'd love to see an HPL post to alt.cult.movies, or an HPL letter to Dear Abbie, or an HPL movie review, or an HPL letter to the IRS, or even an HPL message to the DGML about bouncing messages. How about an HPL presentation of the new paradigm fostering proactive teamwork presented in Powerpoint? HPL ad copy? An HPL TV Guide column? I'd like to read an HPL fax warning parents everywhere about the danger of the Elder Sign lick'n'stick tattoos appearing in school yards throughout the country. Of course, the Playboy Interview with Howard Phillips Lovecraft has it's appeal. Mark McFadden Howard, you might want to spin counter-clockwise for awhile. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 1:01 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RIPTIDE (long) (was Re: DG: Useful Resources for Deep One Society ... On Tue, 2 May 2000, Michael Layne wrote: > Has anyone ever settled on just how fast Deep Ones can swim? As > someone reminded us, they aren't fish. Their body is adapted to the water, > but not as much so as even a sea lion, much less a dolphin. Sustained > swimming speed, even given their webbed digits, might not be that much > greater than that of a SCUBA diver. In CoC they swim at 10. The same rate as a Lion on land. This is probably a little off, as movement rules in CoC suck... Uh, I mean, are vague and undefined. How fast does a human move? Not covered by the rules. A Bunyip swims at 16! and a Giant Squid goes at 10. But what does it all mean in yards per second? In GURPS a Deep One would have some level of SuperSwimming, multiplying their base rate (based on human average) by 10. So most Deep Ones would swim somwhere between 10 to 20 yards per second. The base rate would be modified by basic stats and the Swimming skill. Dagon class Deep Ones might have more levels of superswimming, which doubles move per level purchased (as I recall, it's been a while). The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 1:15 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Switzerland during WWII On Tue, 2 May 2000, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: > ObDG: Why did Herr Canaris hide these documents? Why did he feel obliged > to save the Swiss from being conquered by the Wehrmacht? Did he do this > to protect something in Switzerland from Karotechia's grip? There is a school of thought that suggests that Abwehr leadership (that's German military intel) despised the Nazis, and were a sort of Fifth Column. I suppose it could be possible. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 2:24 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: That Talkshow Madness In a message dated 5/4/00 10:09:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mib@cyberspace.org writes: << Let's not forget MAX HEADROOM. >> And let us by all means never ever forget which channel Edison Carter reported for. Carter? Mark McFadden From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 2:24 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Pluto In a message dated 5/4/00 10:27:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mib@cyberspace.org writes: << The Man in Black is : an ACME stockholder. >> So you know ACME is a name you can trust. I'd like to take this opportunity to address some of these rash and libelous urban myths about some of the fine products available from the ACME catalogue, now online and operators are standing by. The ACME Roman Catapult w\Boulder Assortment. Contrary to some wild footage seen on TV, there is nothing wrong with the trigger mechanism of the ACME 'Miles Grandioso' model Roman Catapault. The footage did not show that the shipping safety pin had not been removed. The vibrations caused by the user jumping repeatedly on the boulder shook the pin loose, but remember, this was after it had been triggered by the user who had improperly assembled that fine product, winner of the Palm d'Perspire at the Ukiah Renaissance Fair for 'Really Scarey Design'. First of all, the ACME 'Hermes' model Rocket Skates plainly state on the packaging the proper protective attire suitable for motorcycle demolition derby be worn. Let's keep that in mind. Second, no claims regarding cornering ability are made or implied. And last, the complaint that the rocket fuel is insufficient to carry a user across a canyon are too ridiculous to entertain. They are rocket-assisted inline skates, get an ACME 'Albatross' Rocket-Assisted Ultralight for those sort of *aerial* journeys. And finally, these strange tales of the ACME Basic Black latex paint creating 'gateways' through which birds can run and trains or trucks can emerge at high speed for short periods before apparently drying into a simple coating of paint..... I think I should point out that inhaling the fumes from the paint is specifically warned against on the package per Federal standards. Mark McFadden NOT a paid spokesman for ACME. Hint hint. Incidentally, Whole Earth Enterprises acquired ACME in a hostile takeover, but dropped them like a hot rock after two weeks. Who needs the grief? From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 2:24 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Pluto In a message dated 5/4/00 10:35:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Popeyesays@aol.com writes: << I think Mickey was only the front man stooge for the operation - the real successor Walt "Old Gnarly" Disney was Jimminy Cricket - he fooled everyone including the blue fairy. Good old Pinocchio was carved from what kind of wood and invested with life by the Blue Fairy - obviously an avatar of of good ol' Shub Niggurath - Jimminy cashed in quick with control of the wooden boy. Getting turned into flesh and blood is a pastiche of some vile ritual at best and Jimminy was right in there egging on the powers that be and cutting a big slice of the pie for himself. >> Man, it's all so clear now. So Pinocchio is made flesh through occult means. He has adventures in a land where boys smoke cigars and eat candy until they puke and God knows what else if they are past puberty. A land with surrreal structures enshrouded in smoke from the cyclopean cigars. Cigars, tobacco, Morleys...get my drift? Native Americans knew what they were doing. Later, he is consumed by Leviathan, and emerges to be reborn in flesh as a gift from the Outside. And when you consider that Jiminy Cricket sang the original version of 'Big 10 Inch', the mind boggles. Shubby for sure. And let's not forget his MJ-12\Grey contacts so coyly hinted at in 'Close Encounters'. Jiminy Cricket!! Er, I mean, Jesus Christ!! Mark McFadden Can go on like this all night long. I ain't proud. Or tired. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@disinfo.net] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 3:37 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re:DG: Traveller Alert D'OH! Sorry, thought that was going straight to Rob. Dave From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 3:55 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Pinocchio (was Re: DG: Pluto) Greetings. Pinocchio? Why not.... > Man, it's all so clear now. So Pinocchio is made flesh through occult means. [snippage] > Later, he is consumed by Leviathan, and emerges to be reborn in flesh as a >gift from the Outside. OK, believe it or not, but there's a 'serious' anthropology work looking into the Occult Roots of Pinocchio, that recycles most of the reverend McFadden's musings, and more. According to Cecilia Gatto Trocchi (about whom more later), Pinocchio is a blatant initiatic treatise written by a freemason of the Florence Lodge (Carlo Collodi) to infuse the Teaching in small kids. [note: the following refers to the novel. The Dissney movie misses many interesting points.... on purpose?] . Pinocchio is born of raw matter . he is the son of a carpenter (like a more famous travelling man....) . he silences his conscience (the Cricket) . he escapes the restraining forces of society (the two Carabinieri called to arrest him) . during his travels he meets a Demon (the pupeteer), the guardian of the threshold (a green snake barring his way), two nature spirits (the Cat and the Fox), the Green Fisher (a sea creature that is not in the Disney movie, I wonder why), and a personification of death (the Fairy) . he flies on the back of a great bird (like in the Egyptian book of dead) . he is turned into an ass by falling for material pleasures (echopes of Apuleius) and because he followed 'Lucignolo' (an obvious 'Lucifer' reference, as the meaning is the same) . he is swallowed whole by a whale (in the original a 'dogfish' or shark) as a novel Jonas. . he dies three times, hanged, drowned and eaten by sharks . he is finally born again, becoming a 'Good son'. All of the above is from Gatto Trocchi's 'Il Risorgimento Esoterico' a 1996 book about the evidence of esotheric activity in the birthing throes of the Italian state. Cecilia Gatto Trocchi is not (IMHO) a reliable analyst of facts - she is too eager to impress the reader with her intellectual and cultural superiority. Considering that she struck gold with her first book about the occult in everyday life in Italy, she is more than willing to fuel the discussion and publish other bestsellers by seeing the occult angle of just anything. She is not above stealing other people's work - and she is currently a defendant in court for plagiarizing the published work of other authors. She is also (according to a friend that used to know her) 'the kind of woman that fantasizes about being raped by the postman'. Anyway, the 'Pinocchio' book is there for reading, and then you can attach any meaning to it. Mythos? Why not, as I said. . The talking snake Pinocchio has to face at the start of his travels is possibly a snakeman, or maybe Yig. . the Green Fisherman is a Dagon-class deep one . Jiminy Cricket! Are you kidding? What is insect-like, talks in a buzzing tone and might as well love to tell you how to behave....? . 'Mangiafuoco' (Fire Eater) the Pupetteer, with his court of slave puppets, is possibly Nyarlathotep (a manipulator if ever there was one) or the KiY (he promises a future of slavery forever performing the same play) . the Blue Fairy (which is described as a 'Beautyful Child' in the book) does have the attributes of death, but also causes things to grow, so maybe a Shuub Niggurath connection can be found. She is attended by a crawling sluglike servant - can you say shoggoth? . the Cat and the Fox are possibly ghouls, dressed as they are in ill-fitting second hand clothes and sporting pointed animal faces. They cheat and finally hang Pinocchio to a tree (to tenderize him?) . Lucignolo (the evil kid that corrupts Pinocchio and like him turns into an ass) is a cult leader of sorts - after all, are not cultists made intojackasses by their gods? . the Leviathan that swallows Pinocchio and his father is Great Cthulhu, Dreaming. The fact that Pinocchio can escape from within the Leviathan (from the Dream) by following a tunafish's suggestions reinforces my theory that the Deep Ones do also dwell in Cthulhu's Dreams. . add to all of the above that, to become a human being, Pinocchio has to stop living by the lies that are his second nature. Not bad, eh? Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 4:02 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Possible interesting reading Cheers! Amazon.com just sent me a note about a new book, just out. The following paragraph in the presentation, well.... >Sy Montgomery has a thing for the world's mysterious river >dolphins--particularly the oddly humanlike "bufeo colorado," >or pink dolphin, that is believed to come ashore in the >guise of a stranger and lure the unsuspecting to a fantastic >watery underworld. The book is called "Journey of the Pink Dolphins: An Amazon Quest," by Sy Montgomery. Investigation might be on order. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 7:29 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Spot the Mythos / Raglan Road Sometimes you really meet the Mythos where you'd really not expect it. May I quote from the beautiful Irish traditional "Raglan Road" [ which disguises itself as a love song ]: I gave her gifts of the mind I gave her the secret sign [!] That's known to the artists who have known The true gods [!] of sound and stone May singing this song open doors to Carcosa? Worried, ECKHARD From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of William Timmins [wtimmins@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 7:53 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Elder Sign >From: "Dave Farnell" > >In any case, my explanation is that the Elder Sign is a domain >stabilizer. >That makes a lot of sense, much more than my previous vague ideas about it >somehow acting against some sort of "GOO-ness" factor. But if this is the >answer, then here are a few it would *not* work against (probably): > >Most cultists >Ghouls >Shoggoths >Elder Things >Deep Ones > >But we "know" it works against Deep Ones, because of "The Shadow over >Innsmouth." Well, maybe. Assuming old Zadock has the right info *and* >rememberd correctly *and* was telling the truth, maybe the DO's connection >to Cthulhu--maybe through constant telepathy--was messed up by proximity of >the Elder Sign, and this could throw them into confusion or even cause pain >or some such sensation. That's my take on it... that the Deep Ones are woven into some webwork of influence, that they have some other-dimensional aspect, not as obvious as in other entities, that is sensitive to the emanations Cthulhu gives out and is, thus, short circuited by Elder Signs. There could be degrees... psychic sensitives or those with a 'touch of magic' about them could be affected, as well. >Regarding Shoggoths, we could say that the Elder Things programmed them to >bow down to the Elder Sign; thus, the reason for its affect on them could >be different. This could also apply to the Ghouls--they could have a >religious regard for the ES. Heretics might be a problem, though. Again, there could be some less obvious 'shadow' of multidimensionality about Shoggoths and Ghouls. Consider the ghouls' ability to tunnel from our world to and from the Dreamlands. > >THis has got my brain spinning. Good. >Dave > (grin) Glad to hear it whirrrrrr! Anyhow, to recap... the above suggests three very rough classifications, rather than two. There are those who are completely terrene, like most humans, possibly Elder Race, serpentfolk, and others. They are not affected by Elder sign, at least not overtly, since they are almost completely attuned to only one domain/dimension/world/whatever. Then there are entities like the Great Old Ones, Azathoth, star vampires, Mi-go, ghosts, astral parasites, and other beings who are essentially distributed through multiple domains/dimensions. Their perceived forms are only the small segment that exists in our world. This nature explains why many of these beings are immune to many terrene weapons. These immunities is another potential 'check' to see which entities are truly multidimensional. These beings are affected by the Elder Sign, as it tears at their internal connections between domains. The last group are intermediate. Possibly beings with only 'growths' or small extensions into other worlds, or normal terrene lifeforms which have expanded their existance into other worlds. Ghouls and Deep Ones may have minds and non-physical extensions into other dimensions, existing with 'a toe in' to other worlds. Zombies, Psychics and gifted cultists may be similarly extended. These groups are affected by Elder signs, but more likely to result in pain and distraction than real damage. Corollaries: Mi-go should be vulnerable to the Elder sign. I don't know if this is established... (don't have the book handy). If the 'does it have immunities' thing is at all valid, this places Shamblers in the third category. They only have 'tough hide', but are as vulnerable to damage as any terrene being. They have a 'sense' of dimensions, but probably, along this logic, no inherent multidimensional nature. Beings in the third category should be limited and bothered by the Elder Sign, but not as severely hurt as the second group. Blessed blade sounds very much like a special form of Elder sign. It should follow the same rough guidelines. Thoughts? By the way, I've taken to hanging out on the DeltaGreen IRC channel, for those who care to stop by. -=Will ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of William Timmins [wtimmins@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 7:57 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RIPTIDE (long) (was Re: DG: Useful Resources for Deep One Society ... Human speed is listed as '8' in the book, I believe. My very very very rough rules for Mov>real speed is (from my equipment rules): Mov can generally be considered to be a comfortable speed of 'Mov' KPH, or Mov/2 MPH. Top speed Mov x3 KPH, or Mov x1.8 MPH. -=Will ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@disinfo.net] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 8:12 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Elder Sign On Fri, 05 May 2000 08:53:07 EDT William Timmins wrote: >Corollaries: >Mi-go should be vulnerable to the Elder sign. I don't know if this is >established... (don't have the book handy). It makes sense, as their wings seem to "push" against other dimensions, and they have that special damage resistance. >If the 'does it have immunities' thing is at all valid, this places >Shamblers in the third category. They only have 'tough hide', but are as >vulnerable to damage as any terrene being. They have a 'sense' of >dimensions, but probably, along this logic, no inherent multidimensional >nature. But that's odd--you'd think DSs would be quite multi-dimensional. Perhaps instead of causing damage to a DS, the ES could limit its ability to, er, shamble between dimensions. >Blessed blade sounds very much like a special form of Elder sign. It should >follow the same rough guidelines. This reminds me strongly of the rules for Orichalka in the Nephilim RPG. Most Elder Signs (ancient ones, anyway) are made from a soapstone-like mineral. We could posit that this mineral contains trace elements which are poisonous (radioactive, perhaps--and perhaps across numerous dimensions) to certain kinds of entities. The Elder Sign does not seem to require this substance, but perhaps it has better performance in conjunction with it. Some time back, I was toying with the idea of the woven-angle designs in Tibetan Buddhist temples being wards against Hounds of Tindalos (this was part of my stalled-out contribution for Emerald Hammer, which is on the back burner until I get Angel finished). Following Will Timmins' ideas, this slots in well as a variation of the Elder Sign. Dave From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Austin Chamberlain [austin@light.mth.uct.ac.za] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 9:58 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Traveller Alert On Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:43:52AM -0400, The Man in Black wrote: > On Tue, 2 May 2000, Robert Thomas wrote: > > > Everyone should be made aware that two traveller vehicles have > > been recovered in South Africa: > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_732000/732604.stm > > > > congratulations to whoever we have in NASA for the wonderfull > > cover story they got into the article. > Update on the big metal balls: http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/world/africa/newsid_732000/732604.stm They're parts of a Delta II rocket, apparently. I'll be checking this with my contacts at the observatory. Austin -- These hands!! I can't get them off my wrists!! Oh, God!! - Happy Noodle Boy From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Abel Lindburg [abel_123@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 12:21 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Computer Warfare (was Virus) In my current game, when Majestic-12 decided to have a go at a DG Secure Server (the players slipped up and let the information get to MJ12) There huge bit of electronic warfare which ended in several different viruses getting release (chaff, and a reason not to go poking into what was perhaps a DG Sever). And the server was shut down and "relocated". The virus was a form of blackmail to protect the servers from prying eyes (only partially effective, and MJ12 will simply be a little more discrete about going after a suspected server). Holding the World's e-commerse as hostage to insure your privacy is perhaps a dirty tactic, but it beats the alternative... Abel From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 9:07 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Elder Sign Greetings. SuperDave writes.... <<<< Some time back, I was toying with the idea of the woven-angle designs in Tibetan Buddhist temples being wards against Hounds of Tindalos (this was part of my stalled-out contribution for Emerald Hammer, which is on the back burner until I get Angel finished). Following Will Timmins' ideas, this slots in well as a variation of the Elder Sign.>>>> Indeed. After all, unless I missed some posts, we are discussing _on which targets_ does the Elder Sign work. Not _how_ does it work. But if we determine that it has a particularly strong power over multidimensional beings, then we could logically infer that there is something about the Elder Sign that messes with n-dimensional physics. Maybe the Elder Sign works by slightly but significantly hardening the dimensional interface, thus causing pains and possible death to beings taht exist on more than one dimension at the same time. How this happens, of course, is for Multidimensional Physics PhD.s on the list to discuss. ;> Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 12:10 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Doing the FAQ Thing Greetings. I'm working on the FAQ and I must admit it's shaping up quite nice. Sadly, the curse of irony slipped in here and there, but such things cannot be helped. It's either be ironic or be crippled, so there. I hope Mark will be happy ;> So far I've been taking care of the netiquette/list quirks angle, mostly cannibalizing snippets of posts from this or that listmember. The thing is growing in a modular way, so that should people offer chunks of FAQ material it will be rather easy to attach them in the right place. But there's a thing I noticed: the thing's huge. So, I'm thinking about breaking the FAQ in two main sub-sections. The first, dealing with the basics, netiquette and 'how to survive on DGML', and a second dealing with the real most frequently asked questions that do not have to do with the lists administration, like . how do I start a campaign . is this Necronomicon thing a real book etcetera. This way, we'll be able to post the admin. chapters to new subscribers, so they can ruminate them and be duly impressed. That first half of the faq will also include a pointer to the second half's house on the net. What do you guys think? Davide Mana Torino, Italy doctor.dee@libero.it The Ice Cave - http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Abel Lindburg [abel_123@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 12:24 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: That Talkshow Madness Consider my fornicating quotes trimmed, and mopped up after like a quarter peepshow. ----- Original Message ----- From: The Man in Black To: Abel Lindburg Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 12:10 AM Subject: Re: DG: That Talkshow Madness On Tue, 2 May 2000, Abel Lindburg wrote: From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Nocstar [shepherd@infocom.com] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 12:48 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Stars are right. >Yesterday all 7 visible planets were in Taurus. The last time all 7 were >in the same house was during the Cuban Missle Crisis. > >Phil That's right, the world was supposed to end yesterday. DARN! I missed it; now I have to wait for the NEXT end of the world.