From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andrew John Farrow [andrew.j.farrow@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 6:06 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Re: Tricky Financing ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 11:18 PM Subject: DG: Re: Tricky Financing > Just make sure you're aware of whether the bonds have already been called - one of the downsides of anonymous bond ownership is you don't get notified of these things. how are these bonds called ? dont they have seiral numbers , I know almost nothing on this topic > > In the US, IIRC, bearer bonds are no longer issued, as part of the 1982 tax reform. Not sure about other countries. > I assume the UK still does them , a recent news article mentoned a lost attache case with a fortune of the bonds being handed in by a londoner . for a pityfull reward , who says honesty pays . yours - andy From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andrew John Farrow [andrew.j.farrow@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 6:18 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Gyrojets ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 2:53 AM Subject: Re: DG: Gyrojets . > The examples provided are a _little_ futuristic(the adventure is set in > 2015). The rounds fire from the weapon using CO2, then the rocket ignites; > bringing the projectile up to speed, but to me they're still _definately_ > plain ol' "Gyrojet" weapons. right - CO2 primer sends the round up the barrel , then the rocket ignites - then IMO forget accuracy , how do you co ordinate CO2 booster charge with rocket ignition - the droop / yaw betwen the 2 must be immense as for malfunction - jesus wept - to expect a mechanical ammo feed , a gas injection primer and rocket main stage to mesh so well requires faith beyond the pale > _Shotshell_, which is essentially a 12guage round.shotshell does WHAT ? how doea the rocket motor accelerate the shot charge , and when / how do thet separate. yours - andy . From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 6:33 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Heavy Money (or: "Carry *that* pirate-boy!") ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Layne > For the benefit of teams that might literally come into the possession >of the enemy's "war chest", here is something recently posted to another >list I'm on (the SCA Nautical List)... We are no longer on the Gold standard. Though we may be again. Hindu women still refuse to give up their wedding ornaments for the bankers, wisely, it may be. And when Levine and his ilk - the Oligarchs - master the Internet, I trust only gold and bullets. > -- I just hadn't really considered it the way this person did! Pieces of eight. FYI The densest element is Osmium - sg = 22, I think - and value probably twenty times that of Gold. The Glove Cleaner. > Yo, ho, ho! It's not funny From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andrew John Farrow [andrew.j.farrow@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 6:34 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Emerging Tech Weapons ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 12:05 AM Subject: Re: DG: Emerging Tech Weapons > My favorite low-tech anecdote was the costly hi-tech US sensors left along > the Ho Chi Minh Trail as a sort of SOSUS array to monitor troop movements. > Charlie quickly discovered that pissing on them fried the circuitry. > Tradecraft and morale-building activity in one. > Charlie definitely got the best bang for the buck. are we taliking about different programs , or have I lost the plot - cos IIRC pising in trees was the VC antidoe to some hi tech "people sniffer" to detect folk lurking in the jungle the ho chi mihn trail sensors were IIRC avoided ast all costs cos the US zapped any hit or malfunction on the trail w/- a arclight strike or *puff the magic dragon * run yours - andy > > Mark McFadden > Actually, it's a little known fact that very few Vietnamese are actually > named Charlie. This was all apparently a Hollywood error that was repeated > until it became accepted as fact. But no matter how many times you see people > yelling at or complaining about "Charlie" in movies or on TV, only a handful > of VC actually had that name, and fewer still had it for a nickname. > Just wanted to clear that up. > please cos I bought the VC = victor charlie ( US phonetic ) , that the GI shortened to "charlie" yours - andy . From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 6:52 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Emerging Tech Weapons ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Creitz > The Center for Army Lessons Learned offers this great title at > http://call.army.mil/call/fmso/fmsopubs/issues/techy.htm > Bashing the Laser Rangefinder with a Rock I like this. Atomic warheads are now a fifty-year-old technology. Their production is an engineering problem, not a problem of scientific knowledge. The atomic weapon could represent the primitive technological counter to US technological superiority and place the US on the opposite side of its former flexible response doctrine. This man is right, and this is a great article. Thank you! God help us come the Endtimes if we can't use nukes *casually* . . . . . The Glove Cleaner. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 6:50 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Gyrojets Well, since we're on the subject of guns to fondle, has anyone any references to the multi-stage firing schemes such as the Chi-Com "Peerless Pestle" 2-stage anti-tank weapon? The concept was a standard shell with sabot round, but the muzzle velocity was boosted to ludicrous levels by a second stage which (gathered from a fuzzy picture in a Jane's IIRC) consisted of blanks aimed inward and mounted in a radial pattern approximately halfway down the barrel's length. I don't know what the triggering mechanism for the second 'stage' was, but premature firing would be understandably disastrous. Obviously this thing isn't going to be lighter or built frailer than a normal AT weapon, in fact it should be markedly heavier, tougher and slower to reload. But it looked kewler than all get out and makes everyone else at the Armoury green with envy. To wield the Peerless Pestle is guaranteed to shrivel your rivals and intimidate them into fawning obeisance. Some swoon at the sight of it, which leaves them confused and vaguely guilt-ridden. Mark McFadden From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 7:07 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Gyrojets! (was Re: DG: Weapon Stats) On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Michael Layne deep-sixed all that was noble and right with the Buck Rogers TV show starring sitcom cutie Erin Gray: > Hey, it's 2000 AD, after all! I'm willing to accept that it might > still be a few years before I can buy my own rocket ship (or even buy my > own space suit off the rack), and I can (for now) settle for flying cars > still being in prototype form, and laser cannons rather than laser > pistols, but where's my Buck Rogers Rocket Pistol?:) [RADIO EDIT] > It has been over thirty years now... If the Japanese R&D people working > for Tiger Tanaka have continued refining the Gyrojet, they may already > have rocket small-arms the equal of the Gyrocs in "GURPS Ultra-Tech", According to a recent quote discussing the OGRE laser tower... I mean the US Missile Defense Laser from Pyramid Online (Thanks Dave!) "We *are* in TL 8 you know," And about them there "prototype" flying cars (besides SkyCar (TM) of course: http://retrofuture.web.aol.com/flyingcar.html > I wonder if old Tiger Tanaka's Gyrojets actually were a > second-generation "Black" Japanese weapons program (back in the 60s!)? They > seemed as destructive as the Buck Rogers rocket guns from "Armageddon > 2419"... I forget, did Buckyball use the gyrocs, or did the Yellow Peril? (BANZAI, Roger-san! Whoosh! Whoosh! Ka-Blam! Ka-Boom!) The Man in Black is : inventing a wrestling move called The Black Peril. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 7:22 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: Gyrojets! (was Re: DG: Weapon Stats) On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Andy Robertson opened the door for some fart jokes: > (groan) Gunfondlers!!! *That* would be us, yes... > If so, it is surely time to work in the FAEs > > Could your rocket-propelled gyrojet not fire a minature FAE? Thus making > it a pocket version of that Russian weapon the Afghans called the "Satan > Stick"? I don't think you could achieve sufficient gas diffusion at that size, but the mysteries of ideal and derived gas law escape me. Maybe ECKHARD the Barrister could help? He's a Lawyer, and farts around with various legal systems. The Man in Black is : smelling the gasses he's cookin' Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 7:39 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: Gyrojets! (was Re: DG: Weapon Stats) ----- Original Message ----- From: The Man in Black > > Could your rocket-propelled gyrojet not fire a minature FAE? Thus making > > it a pocket version of that Russian weapon the Afghans called the "Satan > > Stick"? > > I don't think you could achieve sufficient gas diffusion at that size, > but the mysteries of ideal and derived gas law escape me. Tee hee. Actually the FAE thing is not that stupid. A gram of TNT produced about 1 Kilocalorie of energy when it explodes. A gram of the FAE ethylene glycol stuff produces eight times as much. Eight times as much bang per gram weight. Something the size of a shotgun might throw bomblets big enough to work well. The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 7:45 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Heavy Money (or: "Carry *that* pirate-boy!") AVAST YE MATEY! On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Cabin Boy Micheal Layne attached a cheese slicer to his severed stump and quoted: > >Gold! Y'know they always show burly pirates carrying large chests of > >gold? Two cubic feet of solid gold, the size of a common cardboard > >"book box," or a little larger than a copy-paper box, would weigh 2,332 > >pounds -- and would be worth about $11M these days. Carry *that* > >pirate-boy! (Calculations available upon request.) -- cv ARR~! I would think that few scurvy seadogs had two solid cubic feet of 24ct gold in their chest. I would think that a few goblets, necklaces, rings, bejewled trinkets, silver coins, gravy boats, and 18ct or even 10ct Pieces O' Eight would make the chest (which would be about 2-4 inches thick) weigh considerably less. Or so me Quartermaster tells me. AYE~! Not that ye solid gold is light and fluffy either. The Olmec/Toltec head that landlubber Indiana Jones dodged Grimtooth's Bowling Ball of Death (TM) for must have weighed in at 40-60 pounds. Shiver me timbers! The Pirate in Black is : certain that all plunder is virtual. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off me suspisciously cannon-like cast iron peg leg." http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 8:02 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Heavy Money (or: "Carry *that* pirate-boy!") In a message dated 00-06-23 20:48:15 EDT, you write: << Not that ye solid gold is light and fluffy either. The Olmec/Toltec head that landlubber Indiana Jones dodged Grimtooth's Bowling Ball of Death (TM) for must have weighed in at 40-60 pounds. Shiver me timbers! >> Have you noticed the way people toss bars of gold about in movies? Or how the 3 foot stack of gold bars is on a wooden pallet? Which gets lifted and scooted away my a mini Bobcat forklift? People will hold a gold bar the size of a common red brick in one hand and heft it, saying "Hmmmm, it's heavier than it looks". Think twice before melting that gold down and molding it into a car bumper for driving over the border, the bumper will weigh more than the rest of the car and a few others parked nearby. Mark McFadden First, you need to get better *shocks*. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 8:11 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Heavy Money (or: "Carry *that* pirate-boy!") On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 LizardRoi@aol.com turned into Andy Rooney: > Have you noticed the way people toss bars of gold about in movies? I saw Three Kings... 'member the luggage scene? > First, you need to get better *shocks*. Mark, I'm pregnant. Call your lawyer. The Man in Black is : with child. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 8:18 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Heavy Money (or: "Carry *that* pirate-boy!") In a message dated 00-06-23 21:11:52 EDT, you write: << > First, you need to get better *shocks*. Mark, I'm pregnant. Call your lawyer. The Man in Black is : with child. >> Well, now that we've established who's doing the pitching and who's doing the catching.... Oh yeah, you want a better shock? Look into the Force MiB and see that it is true. I *am* you're father. But you can call me Uncle Lizard to keep up appearances. Mark McFadden From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [father.sabatini@vampirehunter.com] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 8:09 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Heavy Money (or: Greetings. Despite the as usual excessive talk of guns, it's nice to see tha a quaint family atmosphere is developing on the list while I'm away. > Mark, I'm pregnant. Call your lawyer. > > The Man in Black is : with child. >> > I'm honestly moved by all this. When the day comes, can I be the Godfather? You know we Italians are good at that. > Oh yeah, you want a better shock? > Look into the Force MiB and see that it is true. I *am* you're father. > > But you can call me Uncle Lizard to keep up appearances. And I guess there's an Aunt Daisy Lizard hidden somewhere. All this smells of Disney, to me. Next, they'll be pushing Merchandise on us. Anyway. Keep up the good work (if any) Be seeing you (irregularly) Davide Mana DGML's Exile ________________________________________________________________ Get Email, News, Links and The Best Selection at http://AnimeNation.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of MurfNMurf@aol.com Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 8:36 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Gyrojets In a message dated 6/23/00 6:20:54 PM Central Daylight Time, andrew.j.farrow@btinternet.com writes: << right - CO2 primer sends the round up the barrel , then the rocket ignites - then IMO forget accuracy , how do you co ordinate CO2 booster charge with rocket ignition - the droop / yaw betwen the 2 must be immense as for malfunction - jesus wept - to expect a mechanical ammo feed , a gas injection primer and rocket main stage to mesh so well requires faith beyond the pale > _Shotshell_, which is essentially a 12guage round.shotshell does WHAT ? how doea the rocket motor accelerate the shot charge , and when / how do thet separate. yours - andy . >> Andy wonders aloud at the mechanics required to fire a gyrojet shotshell round. Well Andy, y'got me. If you stop to think about it, it _does_ seem a little wonky, now doesn't it? I included the Gyroweapon stats for completeness, in case someone didn't have access to the _Strange Aeons_ book, and have no idea how the things might actually work. -Ken- From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of MurfNMurf@aol.com Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 8:45 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Heavy Money (or: In a message dated 6/24/00 8:13:26 AM Central Daylight Time, father.sabatini@vampirehunter.com writes: << All this smells of Disney, to me. >> If we're going to invoke Disney, then MiB'll be having a not-really-all-that-surprising trio of identical nephews whose names'll all start with the same letter. Congratulations you two. I'm so happy for you.... -Ken- From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of jpetheri@cyberbeach.net Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 12:12 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: From the MMWR - A variety The latest issue of the "Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report" contained the following items that are near and dear to listmembers' hearts. Or for the MiB, who has been accused of being heartless, near and dear to that beating, pulsing blob of protoplasm that will soon develop into a Mini-MiB. Lab Accident at USAMRIID Yep, the boys in white Chemturion had a small, non-fatal accident. http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4924a3.htm MiB, Close your eyes for this one! Infertility treatment, or is it breeding technology from the Tcho-tcho? http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4924a4.htm Trainspotting, or How Do You Kill a Scottish Heroin Addict? More on this incident http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4924a6.htm Gunfondler Alert! In time for July 4, fireworks injuries http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4924a7.htm ======================================== John Petherick, CIH e-mail: jpetheri@cyberbeach.net ----------------------------------------------- Did you know ? Cyber Beach has extended its monthly plan to UNLIMITED surfing per month !! Happy Surfing ! http://www.cyberbeach.net ----------------------------------------------- Brought to you by Cyber Beach's BottleMail ! http://www.cyberbeach.net From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Graeme Price [graemep@immagene.mcg.edu] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 1:48 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Soviet Greys? Auntie's monitoring service is reporting the following story http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/monitoring/media_reports/newsid_80400 0/804079.stm Basically, a crop circle event in southern Russia involving the apparent extraction of soil samples. Doubtless one for GRU SV-8. Perhaps a shift in Grey activity is occuring, or could it be an elaborate hoax by MJ-12 REDLIGHT intruder aircraft to examine the Soviet response to UFO activity? But why the soil sampling? Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 1:50 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: From the MMWR - A variety There are URL's , there are great URL's, and there are legends. Then there is John Petherick: > Lab Accident at USAMRIID > Yep, the boys in white Chemturion had a small, non-fatal accident. > http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4924a3.htm My favorite quote : "The patient reported no exposures to horses, mules, or donkeys." Other than his or her self of course :) Those familiar with the "Hot Zone" by Preston (ISBN: 0385479565) will realize that the USAMRIID's quarantine facility deliberately sucks, and the horse's ass in question will be in there for a while. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Graeme Price [graemep@immagene.mcg.edu] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 2:12 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: From the MMWR - A variety >Lab Accident at USAMRIID >Yep, the boys in white Chemturion had a small, non-fatal accident. >http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4924a3.htm One can only wonder at the length of time taken for the diagnosis to be made considering the patient's history and known occupational exposure to the organism in question (it's also a bit odd that the patient went to a civilian hospital. I should have thought that there would be an internal mechanism - along the lines of a souped up occupational health unit - for dealing with staff health problems... especially considering the rarity of some of the agents used. But then this _is_ the military, I suppose). Doubtless there will be a subsequent arse-kicking of epic proportions at USAMRIID following this incident. Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 2:09 PM To: The MiB's Mailing List Subject: DG: DOMAIN NAME THEORY Why don't we get busy and investigate domain name registration like DGML.com, Delta-Green.org, Delta-Green.net and so forth. dg.com can and should retain its situation as the main site, dg.org or dgml.org can be the mailing list site (ICE CAVE) while dg.net can be for online gaming, chat rooms, and huge illegal transactions involving .mp3 files, pirated software, and image files of the time the drunken Adam Scott Glancy sat on the scanner instead of the marketing department's toilet. Nice tattoo, man. Very tasteful. Goes well with the piercings. The way I understand it, there are places that will host your domain for free, much in the same manner that tripod, fortunecity and similar freewebs do for websites. Also, having a .com, .net and .org will allow us to have a triangle of websites. Neato Keen! Color it Green! The Man in Black is : wary of used scanners from Seattle. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 3:04 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: From the MMWR - A variety ----- Original Message ----- From: Graeme Price > >Lab Accident at USAMRIID > >Yep, the boys in white Chemturion had a small, non-fatal accident. > >http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4924a3.htm > > One can only wonder at the length of time taken for the diagnosis to be > made considering the patient's history and known occupational exposure to > the organism in question (it's also a bit odd that the patient went to a Interesting, also, to consider cross-species infections of all sorts. Soon, we have are going to have transplants of hearts & such from animals into human beings. Pigs are considered likely donors. There is a lot of worry about the possible transmission of viruses into the human population. However, the worst diseases seem to come from animals which are close relatives of humanity. HIV is supposed to have come from chimps. In chimps, it's harmless. The logic is that something like HIV is exquisitely "tuned" to persist for years in a chimp without killing it. But, this exquisite tuning is exquisitely "just off" in a human host, producing a disease which can persist for years but then *does* kill its host. Logically, if diseases from chimps are this serious when they hop to humans, could not diseases from even closer relatives - Ghouls, Deep Ones and Tcho Tcho - be even more serious? What has the CDC had to do with the investigations at Innsmouth and elsewhere? Are any serious diseases known to have moved into the human population from these near-humans? Bearing in mind the reports on Prions in a Ghoul brain, is it possible this is the root of CJD disease? What other diseases might occur? (And, by the way, I think we need a portmanteau term for the populations like the Tcho-Tcho, DO and Ghouls who are biologically capable of interbreeding with humanity but are not fully human. Near Human Anthropoids? NHA?) ---- **** ---- And here's three great links to a guy who, if he doesn't already know Alphonse, should be introduced soonest. http://www.mcsweeneys.net/1999/03/08calisher.html http://www.mcsweeneys.net/1999/03/09calisher.html http://www.mcsweeneys.net/1999/03/11calisher.html The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Noyes [ft203004@fsinet.or.jp] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 4:55 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: RE: DG: Gyrojets > I included the Gyroweapon stats for completeness, in case someone didn't >have access to the _Strange Aeons_ book, and have no idea how the things >might actually work. Heh, this reminds me... WARNING! GAMING ANECDOTE! LEVEL ONE BOREDOM ALERT! WARNING! Also, maybe-possible spoiler alert in the bargain. spoiler spoiler spoiler Before I ran the Strange Aeons near future adventure, I read up on the history of the gyrojet and found that it required something on the order of thirty feet for the projecttile to get up to enough speed to damage someone. Then I noted, with some amusement, the moonbase in the maps provided had only one or two hallways that were actually long enough to use the weapon. So what I did was make up a little bit of false background about how the gyrojet weapon had been created for combat against the soviets on the moon's surface, but that a bureaucratic glitch had made it the standard weapon -- regardless of conditions -- during peacetime. Only the security officer had an alternative in the form of a smuggled 9mm. The results were amusing (even for the players, when they consider it retrospectively) to say the least. Incidently, this particular game ended in true horror fashion, with one character sitting suitless on the surface of the moon, being kept alive indefinitely by the effects of space mead and unable to expect a rescue. Jay From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 8:11 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: From the MMWR - A variety On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, Andy Robertson wrote: > Logically, if diseases from chimps are this serious when they hop to humans, > could not diseases from even closer relatives - Ghouls, Deep Ones and Tcho > Tcho - be even more serious? Your logic is of course, completely wrong. You posit that species jumping diseases are deadly because they are tuned for a an entirely different environment. Then hypothesize that closer environments increase the deadliness of infection among subspecies (?) that can interbreed. I would say that due to the fact that Ghouls et. al. can successfully do the booty-shake with humans that there are two significant disease problem are with environmental vectors and alien contamination. Deep Ones bringing seaborne disease, Ghouls with Prionic Grave Rots, and Tcho-Tcho with jungle fever would be fairly minor compared to CthulhuVirus (TM) > (And, by the way, I think we need a portmanteau term for the populations > like the Tcho-Tcho, DO and Ghouls who are biologically capable of > interbreeding with humanity but are not fully human. Near Human > Anthropoids? NHA?) I like Subspecies. But there's probably a scienctifiktik term for 'em, like Chimeras. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 10:59 PM To: The MiB's Mailing List Subject: DG: LUCENT STRAND : DELTA GREEN SECURE SERVER v. 49.0 : TEMPEST WIRE BREACH DETECTED : ERROR TRACKING SOURCE : command mode : @RPO2501 : DIRECT TRANSMISSION LUCENT STRAND ALPHONSE, I still haven't tracked down Lace, one of TIGER's former team members. The credit card trail left by Lacey Chalaine was a hack, and the "Lingerie Gurl" identity proved to be a network distributed sophisticated Turing Bot. Of all "her" possible identities, I have to assume that Lace is an online alias created to spy on Delta Green. Our computer model of her known activity demonstrates that Los Alamos, New Mexico, is the most prominent trace for physical connections. This points to Majestic, but I'm not convinced. TIGER's crusade is directed toward New World Industries and so far no evidence of a direct connection between NWI and Majestic has been uncovered. My hunch is that whoever deleted SYRINX from the Crystal Matrix is acting again. With V-Cell in STRANGE RAIN and SYPHON without a "RL interface", as he calls it, I request that a Cell be assigned to LUCENT STRAND to see if we can't recover Lace's stolen Delta Green source code, computer files and PARIAH's copy of the Judas List. Anyone capable of disconnecting SYRINX should be able to break the encryption emitted by SCROUNCE in short order. I'll watch the Cell and report on the investigation's progress. : ERROR LOGGING PACKETS : CANNOT FIND traceback.o : ERROR ROUTING ENCRYPTION KEY The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 2:04 AM To: The MiB's Mailing List Subject: DG: STRANGE RAIN STAGE FOUR : ZIRCON [.SIGNALREC...] [.transmode : 4.stage...] [.endstage : ?.stage...] [.sorting 4.stage packet series...] [.sort complete...] STAGE FOUR : ZIRCON The chamber had no door and was constructed with a hard, crystalline, nearly luminous, substance. Unlike the rest of the alien complex, this room was lit with an excruciatingly bright white light. The MiB remained outside, and a solid block of opaque crystal seamlessly materialized in the doorway. Salinas lost control of herself and began pounding at the crystal chamber's former doorway. VICTOR and VINCENT struggled to restrain her, but she broke free when the chamber began to resonate. When debriefed, VICTOR described that an insubstantial lattice of white crystalline energy grew in intensity, permeating his body and mind until he began convulsing. VINCENT reported aural and visual hallucinations: a discolored mass of swimming worms sliding through him, a maze of glass breaking inside of him. Both men reported an ozone smell throughout the resonation, and that the sensations ended when all three people were struck by what seemed to be a bolt of iridescent lightning. After recovering from the convulsions, partial unconsciousness, and nausea, they found themselves in the surf of a rocky beach. The sky was overcast and it appeared to be twilight, instead of the mid-morning of French Guiana. VICTOR's electronic wristwatch was no longer functioning normally, displaying instead an apparantly random series of changing characters. The condition of VICTOR's hand became progressively worse. Without anesthesia, VINCENT and Salinas were forced to conduct a crude amputation of VICTOR's injured hand with his own folding combat knife. Searching along the shore for signs of human habitation, they came upon a flat concrete surface that VINCENT and VICTOR tentatively identified as a Surface to Air Missile hardpoint. Several hours later, after much walking and a brief but intense rainfall that preceded sunset, they were relived to find an airfield that, according to VINCENT and VICTOR, showed signs of recent use. While investigating the surrounding area, they stumbled upon a patrol of four British SAS soldiers in full combat gear. In the distance stood the lights of what could only be described as a small maximum security prison. The soldiers approached with flashlights drawn and Enfield IW rifles in firing position. Unsure, VINCENT prepared to negotiate, while VICTOR stood behind him, ready to return fire with a pistol, and concealing his crudely bandaged stump. Maria Salinas stood to the side, VINCENT noticed that she was visibly trembling and holding her handgun behind her back. VINCENT explained to the SAS patrol that they were visitors from America touring a nearby island, and had been in the process of sailing, recreational fishing and nature watching, but had lost their GPS (Global Positioning System) and ended up here, in what seemed to be some sort of military facility. This flimsy ruse seemed to be temporarily working and Maria was becoming calmer. Then a prismatic glow, a strong ozone smell, and an insubstantial crystalline lattice identical to the one that VINCENT, VICTOR, and their new friendly experienced in French Guiana surrounded them once more. The SAS instantly replied with some sort of countermeasure: one of the soldiers threw a chemical grenade which electrically detonated, releasing a burst of "Angel Hair" similar to the fiberoptic material which had been falling on French Guiana over the past several weeks. The grenade also generated a substantial, visible electric charge that mildly shocked the agents and may have rendered any electronic devices they were carrying inoperative. It was at this point that Maria Salinas began screaming obscenities in Spanish and opened fire on the British soldiers with her handgun. VICTOR and VINCENT, suffering from detrimental effects of the rapidly intensifying teleportation, were unable to intervene in time. A SAS soldier took three hits to the head, two were deflected by his combat helmet. However, the third bullet impacted with an excellent biting angle and penetrated the side of his helmet, entering the skull. Unsurprisingly, a Shan fled his face and was shielded by the remaining three soldiers. The survivors returned fire: killing Maria Salinas and wounding VINCENT in the abdomen. This was the last thing VICTOR and VINCENT could recall of the incident before the teleportation rendered them unconsciousness. VICTOR and VINCENT regained consciousness with an immediate feeling of falling and complete lack of pressure. They were illuminated by a sourcesless blue-green light and surrounded by a floating cloud of fibers from the SAS grenade and spherical droplets of VINCENT's blood. Also floating with them was VICTOR's amputated hand containing the dead shan from Hospital Tenon. Being experienced skydivers, both agents were able to maneuver out of a large, partially substantial, glowing lattice into a swarm of several hundred Shans. Far below the two agents was the Earth. In the airless environment, the mass of phasing insects began sliding through their bodies in the dozens. They bypassed VINCENT's nylon jacket, but were apparantly able to pass through 100% cotton materials like VINCENT's T-shirt and VICTOR's Polo shirt. After a period of initial disorganization, the insects flew in line formation, passing through each agent's head in rapid sequence. VICTOR noted that this reminded him of an obsolete video game named "Galaga". Later analysis hypothesized that too many insects were phasing through them for any kind of control to be established. VICTOR and VINCENT report severe mental effects from this encounter - perhaps telepathic memory sharing or projected hallucination. The content of the experience was a sadistic tour of alien worlds and being present before a godlike entity perceived by the Shan to be an embodiment of electromagnetic radiation, exposure to which feeds the creatures in a manner similar to photosynthesis. Before the vacuum suffocated or freeze-dried them to death, yet another teleportation occured. This time, they awoke on a crystal platform in full gravity. Both agents were in severe pain: headaches, blurred vision, fatigue, joint aches and bleeding in their mouths, noses and throats. It was difficult for them to distinguish the effects of the teleport from the effect of the vacuum. Examination of their surroundings showed that they were inside a state of the art sixty foot communications trailer which was equipped with a small teleportation chamber. The interior was entirely demolished, panels had been torn off, wires left hanging, and entire circuit boards either missing or broken. The monitors appeared to have been penetrated by microneedles; nothing was left unbroken, including the two dozen corpses littering the floor. Half of the dead were Shan, with their characteristic decomposing petrochemical odor. They performed what little first aid they could on each other. Then VICTOR carried VINCENT, who was having difficulty walking due to his abdominal injury, out of the trailer. Outside, a translucent goo was raining heavily. The trailer was parked on what appeared to be a service road overlooking the Caribbean sea. Before they could get out of sight of the blue and white tractor trailer, a series of detonations destroyed the teleportation trailer and sent the entire vehicle over the cliff, where the explosions continued long after it had splashed underwater. Luckily for the two agents, it was only an hour or so until Lt. Macleod, Micheal Elder, and VALERIE were able to pick them up in a rented SUV. An anonymous call on VALERIE's Delta Green encrypted satellite phone had tipped her off to their location. TO BE CONTINUED... The Man in Black is : dodging his English 100 paper to write this. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 2:31 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: From the MMWR - A variety ----- Original Message ----- From: The Man in Black > > Logically, if diseases from chimps are this serious when they hop to humans, > > could not diseases from even closer relatives - Ghouls, Deep Ones and Tcho > > Tcho - be even more serious? > > Your logic is of course, completely wrong. You posit that species jumping > diseases are deadly because they are tuned for a an entirely different > environment. Then hypothesize that closer environments increase the > deadliness of infection among subspecies (?) that can interbreed. Parasites need to tread a thin line between killing their hosts and being killed by their hosts. The most "successful" parasites are the ones we don't notice. In chimps, HIV is such a parasite. In order "not to be noticed" by its host's immune system a parasite has to be very clever indeed. It may cover itself with host proteins (like schistosomes), hide inside a host cell (like malaria) or manipulate the host immune system directly (like HIV. Where is the one spot a 360 degree radar scanner can't see? The back of its own radar dish.) Because the parasite is not being killed by its host, it has to self-regulate its reproduction - somehow - or it will kill its host. So you have these two very delicate processes: one, dodging the host immune system; two, controlling your own population. Transfer to a distant species and one or both process will go wild. 99% of the time this results in the quick death of the parasite. (Whether or not the host dies is irrelevant - the parasite cannot spread) . Transfer to a nearby, closely related, species, and one or both processes will go just a bit wrong. This is where the really bad things happen. With HIV you have a process "designed" to keep the disease hidden from the chimp's immune system, and another "designed" to keep HIV reproducing at a low, constant, level, for the chimp's whole life span. In humans the first process works, the second almost works. It runs just a bit too fast. > > I would say that due to the fact that Ghouls et. al. can successfully do > the booty-shake with humans that there are two significant disease problem > are with environmental vectors and alien contamination. Deep Ones bringing > seaborne disease, Ghouls with Prionic Grave Rots, and Tcho-Tcho with > jungle fever would be fairly minor compared to CthulhuVirus (TM) Sounds good > > > (And, by the way, I think we need a portmanteau term for the populations > > like the Tcho-Tcho, DO and Ghouls who are biologically capable of > > interbreeding with humanity but are not fully human. Near Human > > Anthropoids? NHA?) > > I like Subspecies. But there's probably a scienctifiktik term for 'em, > like Chimeras. > No, Chimaeras are genetic mosaics, built by fusing two blastulae. Subspecies is a good class term, but I was thinking of something that applied to these two or three troublesome human subspecies, and any new ones that might turn up, in particular. Anomalous Subspecific Humanoids (ASH?) The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 3:01 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: From the MMWR - A variety On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Andy Robertson wrote: > > I like Subspecies. But there's probably a scienctifiktik term for 'em, > > like Chimeras. > > > > No, Chimaeras are genetic mosaics, built by fusing two blastulae. It's known in the canon that Tcho-Tcho are a chimera of Miri Nigri and humans. Deep Ones are probably a Cthulhu version of this, or not. Perhaps they are homo sapiens dampus wettia. Ghouls are a totally non-science thang, being a Dreamlands original, but you could call them homo sapiens eatus brainus sleepyheadus snorus maximus. > Subspecies is a good class term, but I was thinking of something that > applied to these two or three troublesome human subspecies, and any new ones > that might turn up, in particular. > > Anomalous Subspecific Humanoids (ASH?) I'm just gonna call 'em bigfoots, with a small "b". Big "B" Bigfoots will remain Voormis as always. Although I'm also partial to "Belgians", another imaginary group of humans. The Man in Black is : brought to you by the letter B and the number 7. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "B7? Hell, I got bingo. BINGO~! WOO~! Show me the Belgian Money!" http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 5:20 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: FAE! (was Re: Gyrojets! (was Re: DG: Weapon Stats)) At 10:27 AM 6/23/00 +0200, you wrote: >You may find some data about the 'Shmel' launcher on this page : > >http://call.army.mil/call/spc_prod/mout/docs/thermodoc.htm Man, the FAE/incendiary weapons thread does crop up a lot, doesn't it? Bloody hell. We're all firebugs, I guess. Can we figure that into the FAQ somewhere, Davide? JT From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 5:35 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: New toys OK, so plenty of DG cells have got some guy in it who used to be a SEAL. Or someone who knows a guy who used to be a SEAL. Hell, it's just an excuse to offer a link to a virtual tour of the USS Tornado, a newly-commissioned small craft which looks ideal for those tricky coastal missions. Personally, my own model will be in matte-black, and may feature a pulsing red light on the bow... http://www.specialoperations.com/Navy/Patrol_Coastal/Tornado/Tour_Main.htm JT From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 5:51 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Cc: doctordee@interfree.it Subject: DG: More royal rambling (long) >From http://www.royal.gov.uk/today/waleses.htm : "Financial arrangements of The Prince of Wales The Prince of Wales does not receive any money from the State. Instead, he receives the annual net revenues of the Duchy of Cornwall and uses them to meet the costs of all aspects of his public and private commitments and those of his children. The Duchy's name is derived from the Earldom of Cornwall (developed from a compilation of lands spread throughout England), which Edward III elevated to a duchy in 1337. The Duchy's founding charter stated that it should be in the stewardship of the Heir Apparent, to provide the Heir with an income independent of the Sovereign or the State." Significance? Don't know yet, but the arrangement was created by Edward III, the same fella that brought us the Order of the Garter. Just finished 'From Hell', and I'm off after more signs of the war between man\woman Sun\Moon. Maybe some stuff on the tension between the Nyarly\Hastur\Shubby trinity and the dance of history. ***********Sidebar: My Game Cosmology Du Jour ******** We've discussed a Hastur\Nyarly dichotomy, others have noted a polarity relationship between Shubby and Hastur. Without too much farting around, here's what I'm seeing from a symblic POV: Equate Shubby\Nyarly\Hastur with things as in the Tarot or astrology or Qabbala or psychology. Some of these systems note that there are inverted traits as well. Some psychological theorizing says that we have inverted personalities that come out under stress or unrelieved tension. Shubby = Life, growth, reproduction, mutation to chaos. Sun. Hastur = Entropy, devolution, absolute order, death. Moon. Nyarly = Will. That is as far as I'm going so far. Maybe you put them all together they spell Azathoth, I wouldn't know. I'm agnostic. And incidentally, I intend to claim the trinity thing is a human construct and only one way of interpreting the data, but if you step back and squint history is a fractal depending on the light and angle, when it's not a hologram. Also, time is a tactic to prevent perceiving everything at once. EWG applies if you want it to, do what thou wilt. I like my cosmology extra crunchy. Your mileage may vary. Fnord. ******************************************************************* Here's another piece of the official story, straight from the Official Source. http://www.royal.gov.uk/history/angevin.htm#HENRYII Maybe I just love the stories of these folk because I was raised by their stories at the movies. See young Henry II played by Peter O'Toole in 'Becket' (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0057877) at the beginning of his reign and then play him again at the end of his days in 'The Lion In Winter' (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0063227) See King John Lackland (or John the First and Only) and Richard I in any damn move about Robin Hood, then ask yourself why Robin Goodfellow (who might be a Puka, and how are you today Mr. Wilson?) got involved in politics. Also, don't leave out those [redacted] French, cuz although these guys are listed as English most of the action was happening in what is now France, usually with someone named Philip involved. There's a bunch of them and I have trouble keeping them straight, but eventually in there somewhere some Philip or other goes Medeival on the Templars which led to a Louis getting beheaded. "Jacques DeMolay, thou art avenged!" during the Age of Revolution. Lots and lots of Masons, who were behind the Ripper Murders which inspired this Chattaqua. Whoops, I came unstuck in time there, let's backtrack a bit. Eleanor of Aquitane. What a babe. Some have written that modern love as we in the West know it was invented by Eleanor at her Courts of Love. She made a lady love essential to a parfait knight. Poetry as important as martial skills. She was married to a Louis, went on a Crusade and road bare-breasted at the head of the troops, ran off with a young Henry and England got good government. The Official Version "Personally interested in government and law, Henry made use of juries and re-introduced the sending of justices (judges) on regular tours of the country to try cases for the Crown. His legal reforms have led him to be seen as the founder of English Common Law." Here's something from the Official Version that I found intriguing in reference to Henry II: "The King spent only 13 years of his reign in England; the other 21 years were spent on the continent in his territories in what is now France. Henry's rapid movements in carrying out his dynastic responsibilities astonished the French King, who noted 'now in England, now in Normandy, he must fly rather than travel by horse or ship'. " So did Henry run off with Eleanor, or did Eleanor run off with Henry? Either way, it must have been fast. It certainly wasn't a marriage of convenience, but was it a marriage of Rose and Cross? Their son, heir to the throne was named Arthur. But he died. The remaining sons had their own movies. It goes 'Becket' - 'The Lion In Winter' - then 'Ivanhoe'\'Robin Hood'. Also 'Prince of Thieves', 'When Things Were Rotten', 'Men In Tights' and 'Rocket Robin Hood', but let's not get silly. So that's the connection between Richard the Lionheart and Oscar Wilde and how does that relate to...? Glad you asked. Richard I Coeur de Lion (the Lionheart) who was in very little danger of producing heirs, achieved his life's ambition and went on a Crusade to warmer climes were there might be folk sensitive to his needs. Which combined with Templars who were already getting cozy with Hassan i Sabah and the Assassins and who knows what other mad Arabs, and then some of them who were (ahem) not too enthusiastic about the marriage of Rose and Cross or some of the activities inherent in the preparations created their own (strictly) fraternal order which led to The Apostles which was a conspiracy within the Masonic conspiracy that orchestrated the Ripper murders. Buggery on the playing fields of Eton (well, maybe not *on* the fields, it rains a lot, but you know what I mean) and gay Masons. That's as good as Mad Monks in my book. Damn those Changewinds. Where was I? Wales has a stake in all this at the time, because John's daughter is married to Llewellyn and it got complicated what with John taking over while Richard was Crusading and dragging his feet on paying back the ransom for him and all that from all the Robin Goodfella movies. Eleanor survived Henry and got to do more power-brokering, she had some influence even if she was still under house arrest. Maybe she wasn't all that restricted in her movements. Remember the flying from Normandy (or Aquitane) and England? But that was according to a Philip so who knows? More from the Official Version: "In Richard's absence, king Philip of France failed to obtain Richard's French possessions through invasion or negotiation. In England, Richard's brother John occupied Windsor Castle and prepared an invasion of England by Flemish mercenaries, accompanied by armed uprisings. Their mother queen Eleanor took firm action against John by strengthening garrisons and again exacting oaths of allegiance to the king. John's subversive activities were ended by the payment of a crushing ransom of 150,000 marks of silver to the emperor, for Richard's release in 1194. Warned by Philip's famous message 'look to yourself, the devil is loosed', John fled to the French court. On his return to England, Richard was recrowned at Winchester in 1194. Five years later he died in France during a minor siege against a rebellious baron. By the time of his death, Richard had recovered all his lands. His success was short-lived. In 1199 his brother John became king and Philip successfully invaded Normandy. By 1203, John had retreated to England, losing his French lands of Normandy and Anjou by 1205." John is mostly remembered for being a shithead and signing the Magna Carta. Notice that there are no more Johns among the kings of England. I've read some books indicating that John was not really a shithead, BTW. But what does that matter when the movies say you were a bad guy? Incidentally, all of this going on in England was going on elsewhere to varying degrees with local color. But the Matter of England prevails partly because of the language it was all happening in which is the one you are reading it in, but also because they got the best movies and miniseries. Sorry France. You guys get losers and posers with a few notable exceptions when they are really vile or inept. Here's the rulers of France according to the movies that people who speak English see: Charlemagne -- some Philips -- some Louis'(s's's) ending in the Louie Louie that lost his head and was replaced by Napolean -- DeGaulle -- who cares? Speaking of movies, and I usually do, my Mel Gibson vehicle about Edward III is coming along nicely. Here's some backstory and updates: From the Official Version "Henry III (reigned 1216-1272), John's son, was only nine when he became King. By 1227, when he assumed power from his regent, order had been restored, based on his acceptance of Magna Carta. However, the King's failed campaigns in France (1230 and 1242), his choice of friends and advisers, together with the cost of his scheme to make one of his younger sons King of Sicily and help the Pope against the Holy Roman Emperor, led to further disputes with the barons and united opposition in Church and State. Although Henry was extravagant and his tax demands were resented, the King's accounts show a list of many charitable donations and payments for building works (including the rebuilding of Westminster Abbey which began in 1245)." So it's John to Henry III. Bad blood. Now we've got Sicily involved, the Pope with all those celibate priests and castrati choirs and the legacy of Rome. Also, lately my alarms go off when I read about kings going on building binges. Step back and squint and history seems to consist of schemes to grab more land or sidetrack funds to stack stone into buildings or walls. Or refining the stone into gold for more convenient storage behind more stone walls. How's this? The barons make more Magna Carta-ish demands through the Provisions of Oxford and Westminster and Henry III tries to weasel out by *tada* having the Pope declare his oaths null and void with some support from a Louis who came after a Philip. Wheels within wheels. The barons line up after a Simon de Montfort (or Simon of the Strong Mountain (?) which makes me think of Simon Magus\Templar and Hassan the Assassin at his mountain fortress of Alamout) but they lost, sort of (Simon was killed at the Battle of Evesham in 1265), and everyone compromised. Next comes Edward I (played by Patrick MacGoohan, and American educated in Ireland made famous by an English TV show, now playing a king who conquers Wales and Scotland). Noteworthy stuff: he started the first modern Parliament, inviting silverbacks other than lords to fuck the proles. He beat a Llewellyn, the one who was married to John's daughter. Not one of the other Llewellyns who are as thick in Wales as Philips in France. I heard somewhere vaguely that Llewellyn is pronounced 'David', but they had to be shitting me. That would start dragging in House of David symbology, and I'm saving that for Haile Selassie. So forget it, and don't bring up the Dragon symbols in Wales or the Saint George slaying one on Victoria's buckle for her Order of the Garter sash. Because that would be silly. Henry made damn sure that Wales wouldn't bother him again by ringing it with lots of stone castles, which cost a pretty penny. In 1284, the Statute of Wales brought Wales under Edward's rule. In 1301, he created his eldest surviving son, Edward, the first English Prince of Wales. Actually, those of us who watch the movies know that the first English Prince of Wales was cuckolded by Mel Gibson (and American educated in Australia playing a Scottish hero) and the French queen married to Patrick MacGoohan. The implication is that the first English Prince of Wales was ill-suited to the term Sire due to his other interests. Edward II, who had been the first English Prince of Wales, was the Edward who had to deal with Robert the Bruce after he grew a spine. He didn't do too well. From the Offficial Version: "Edward II (reigned 1307-27) had few of the qualities that made a successful medieval king. Edward surrounded himself with favourites (the best known being a Gascon, Piers Gaveston), and the barons, feeling excluded from power, rebelled." Shall we speculate about the sexual polarity of this Gascon and other bad advisors? Lets. "Finally, in 1326, Edward's wife, Isabella of France, led an invasion against her husband. In 1327 Edward was made to renounce the throne in favour of his son Edward (the first time that an anointed king of England had been dethroned since Ethelred in 1013). Edward II was later murdered at Berkeley Castle." Edward was murdered at Berkeley Castle by having hot stuff poked up his rectum. Shall we speculate some more? Like wonder what happened to advisors and courtiers who flourished up until his ignonimious end through his ignominious end? Who helped whoever had to flee? Where did they go, what did they take with them. Was a compromise reached? Which was ascendant at this point, Sun or Moon? Next up from the Official Version: "Edward III (reigned 1327-77) was 14 when he was crowned King and assumed government in his own right in 1330. In 1337, Edward created the Duchy of Cornwall to provide the heir to the throne with an income independent of the sovereign or the state. An able soldier, and an inspiring leader, Edward founded the Order of the Garter in 1348." Ah yes, the Order of the Garter. Well, I've flogged that filly before. Let me just harp on the femaleness, the Lunar atmosphere of it's genesis. The Order of the Garter has trappings of Wicca and witchcraft, covens in your face. Qabbalistic numbers on the arms invoking Yahweh, 13 thirteens on the king's mantle for the Order. Thirteen covens of thirteen. Does the Yahweh in the Arms imply an alliance with the Masons? Masons and witches and heirs, Ohm eye. He kicked a Philip's ass, then his son (another Edward, The Black Prince) did it some more. Then the French caught on and sicced a Charles on them and England got to practice for Dunkirk, ending with Calais and a strip near Bordeaux. The Black Plague pretty much took up the rest of his reign until "1376, [when] the 'Good Parliament' (which saw the election of the first Speaker to represent the Commons) attacked the high taxes and criticised the King's advisers. The ageing King withdrew to Windsor for the rest of his reign, eventually dying at Sheen Palace, Surrey." I think the movie will focus on those heady days with the Countess of Salisbury, putting the Orders in order and making the Prince of Wales independent. Let's skip the Black Plague and the Black Prince's turn at bat billed as Richard II. Poor Richard, he was beaten and eclipsed by Henry IV, three plays by Shake-spear to one (four to one if you count 'Merry Wives of Windsor'), Laurence Olivier and Kenneth Brannagh. At least Henry V had him buried in Westminster Abbey. Do you see the ebb and flow? Sun\Moon, male\female? Tracts of land to supply stone for the buildings or gold to finance their erection (pun intended), with Parliamentary or baronial or common rebellion tapdancing and stirring things up? And it's not like Wales and Scotland and Ireland weren't having their own internal epics all that time, as were all the places who haven't had movies in English made about them. ERRATA: Notice how crosses and roses are all through English history and heraldry? In 'Rosebud: The Story Of Orson Welles' (ISBN 0-679-77283-9), David Thompson gets cute and surmises that Peter O'Toole might be the love child of Orson and an Irish dancer in Connemara after Welles swept through on his walkabout. August 1932. The actor who played John in 'The Lion in Winter' played Arthur in 'Excalibur', while a Philip was played by a James Bond. Henry's earlier burden, Thomas a 'Becket', was played by a Richard Burton who also played Arthur in 'Camelot', but it was only a model. That Richard Burton was Welsh. The other Richard Burton was a rough knight for the Queen. That would be Victoria, who reigned over Whitechapel and maybe condemned the Daughters of Joy to ritual sacrifice against the Fenian bombings. Unless it was gay Templars who infiltrated the Masons. Wheels within wheels. What's a revolution, Industrial or otherwise, but another turn of the wheel? My father's name is Bruce. Robert the Bruce was played by Angus McFadyean in 'Braveheart'. Hail to the King, baby. On my mother's side I'm a Wilmot. Look up John Wilmot, the Earl of Rochester some time. No resemblance other than attitude, although he does have a monkey with him in his most famous portrait. Charmed and pissed off the King mightily, spent much of his life hiding out in the country waiting for things in court to cool off. Kidnapped his wife and horizontally mentored the leading actress of the Age. Goethe learned English to read his poetry in the original. I *will* have the Aquitane! Some other Philip (unless it was that Philip, there was no shortage of Philips for supporting roles) got his ass kicked at Agincourt by Laurence Olivier and Kenneth Branagh, apparently over some tennis balls. Also, that king got three plays by Shakes-spear, or four if you count 'The Merry Wives of Windsor'. The Windsors also dis the Phils, note that in my verbatim cut&paste of "In Richard's absence, king Philip of France failed to obtain Richard's French possessions through invasion or negotiation." that Philip is a king and not a King? That typo straight to you from the Royal website. Don't they check these things before they put them out for the world to see? Speaking of some not-so-merry wives of Windsor, I would think the recent death of Diana (England's Rose) while dating someone from Crusades country could do with a little examination in light of Sun\Moon. Shan aren't behind *everything* in Blighty, they just get a piece of the action. Hmmmmmm. Camelot also ended in a car. The sniper kills with injurious vision. James Douglas Morrison Apparently, so do paparazzi. The Lizard King So which was the sacrifice, JFK or Marilyn? Jack dies, Jackie gets canonized, goodbye Norma Jean? Naaaaahh. That's Bohemian Grove stuff, homoerotica and Moloch worship. Where the Yankees and Cowboys gather to fuck the proles, protected by an organization founded and run by a cross-dressing power-broker who oddly left no heirs. He had other interests such as overseeing the loyalty verification process for most everything of importance. How far the presidency has sunk. JFK nails Marilyn, Clinton has prison sex with the chunky girl who brings in the mail. JFK didn't finish one term, Clinton's winding down a second. If Clinton was getting quality poon we'd be on Mars by now. I say let's re-evaluate Gary Hart. Hilary is coming on very presidential, don't you think? Don't answer, that was rhetorical bait. Following the imposed pattern, since the cradle of the Industrial Revolution generated the Ripper killings, the cradle of the Computer Revolution should do likewise. I suppose the Zodiac wasn't caught because the stars weren't right. However, he never got to build his infernal machine and pick the children off one by one as they tumbled from the yellow yellow bus. Children sacrificed on a yellow altar. One of the Zodiacs messages had an unbroken (AFAIK) cypher. Code? Anyway, he had some kewl fonts. 'Goodbye England's Rose' was writ by Elton *John* who is really Reggie Dwight or Reg D'White, which means nothing. Sorry I brought it up. Although that would make Bernie Taupin the Nicholas Hawksmoor of pop. Be afraid, be very afraid. Mark McFadden Invisible, but not transparent. It's good to be the King. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 5:51 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: From the MMWR - A variety In a message dated 6/25/00 1:01:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mib@cyberspace.org writes: << It's known in the canon that Tcho-Tcho are a chimera of Miri Nigri and humans. Deep Ones are probably a Cthulhu version of this, or not. Perhaps they are homo sapiens dampus wettia. Ghouls are a totally non-science thang, being a Dreamlands original, but you could call them homo sapiens eatus brainus sleepyheadus snorus maximus. >> I've been playing with the idea of Deep Ones as Cthulhu 'remora' that possessed amphibious humanoids made from the same genetic stock as their female primate servants. I don't think there is a monolithic Deep One culture, but I'm still working on the differing flavors and agendas. I think of Ghouls as the result of a similar situation, but in the Dreamlands. Mark McFadden