From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Khorne [khorne@cyberlink.bc.ca] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 12:55 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Harry bloody Potter The funny thing is that the Plush Cthulhu doll can be one of the least threatening you can by. He is round and fuzzy, and has no noticeable teeth; just big soft tentacles and round friendly eyes. I've known kids who are terrified of dolls at night who probably wouldn't mind a plush cthlulhu. >>>>>>And that's a good thing.<<<<< From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Khorne [khorne@cyberlink.bc.ca] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 1:11 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: the Gof'nn Hupadgh Shub-Niggurath Maybe you all can help me out here. The section on the changes wrought by accepting the Seal of God in the Skoptsi section of Countdown is wonderfully detailed about game rules, but doesn't tell us what the Gof'nn Hupadgh Shub-Niggurath look like. Now, this may be one of those questions where you get the ambiguous non-answer of "it's up to the Keeper", which tells you sweet fuck all. I'm after more than that. What changes does being thrown into the maw of the Magna Mater cause? The Skoptsi section says they look different. How? In what way? Obviously, based on game rules, they stay weedy little pikers, but how are they different? It's more than just the mutilation of the genitals, because the Skoptsi section is very clear that the Seal of God is different from the creation of the Gof'nn Hupadgh Shub-Niggurath. What do they look like? I only ask because it might be useful to tell my players what exactly they're mowing down with Cetme Squad Automatic Weapons looks like. And while I'm at it, clear this one up for me. We are told that Fedor Berezhkov was a stone cold bastard, and that he fled Russia one step ahead of the GRU and Spetsnaz, hooking up with the CIA after he'd crossed the border with Turkey, but how does he link up with the Skptsi? Was he a member before leaving Russia, and was using Soviet resources to uncover his faith's old center, or did he join up after immigrating? Since I'm asking questions, where does Ghroth come from? Ghroth is mentioned as the nemesis of the Shans in the PISCES section of "Countdown", and I seem to remember Ghroth or someone like him from the original printing of the old "Cthulhu By Gaslight" supplement, when they discuss transforming H. G. Welles stories into game scenarios. Is this it, or is there a story Ghroth appears in? If there is, what is it's title, and who wrote it? And... Is there any information on the state of affairs in Innsmouth today, in the late 1990s/ 21st century? As story, a game supplement, anything? Does anyone know how things are there? From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Perry Lyons [john_o_dreams@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 1:24 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Harry bloody Potter >The funny thing is that the Plush Cthulhu doll can be one of the least >threatening you can by. He is round and fuzzy, and has no noticeable teeth; >just big soft tentacles and round friendly eyes. I've known kids who are >terrified of dolls at night who probably wouldn't mind a plush cthlulhu. Subtle psychological manipulation. Get children to view mythos entites in a nonthreatening...almost friendly light. Then...wham...cultists. Cuddlywuddly Cthlulhu wouldn't hurt me...he wants to be my friend!. Cultists before Kidnergarden. Scary, ain't it? Perry Lyons Who isn't turning into a Deep One, no matter what his aunt smells like. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 3:17 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Psychic exercises ... On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Agent Caiius wrote: > Well, basically, the idea that the dreamlands have shattered into multiple > nodes, That's mine (it can be found in my Dreamlanders story starring edwards and his crew) > as well as the idea that Nodens is a split identity with Hastur. When did you hear this? > Also the idea of Caracosa being a dreamland cast adrift That's mine. I think I have the original post somewhere. It will also be an important part of the Dreamlanders stuff. > As for stelaing my ideas ... maybe we can do a prisoner exchange ? What > is INVISIBLE ? INVISIBLE is a Psionic global conspiracy (not Psychic, but Psionics) behind a lot of weird phenomenon. They are generally anti-mythos, allied to the CMAI of the Tesseract and most importantly, they differ from your standard bunch of fanatically individual Kn'Yanese Psionics because they are a Gestalt made up of many other Gestalts. Each Gestalt having its own unique flavor (like the Brainstorm Gestalt, specialists in the destructive aspects of invasive telepathy). INVISIBLE is exactly what the Mi-Go have been looking for all this time. The Gestalts know this, hence the name INVISIBLE, and the mega-gestalt has been able to hide so successfully because they can see the future. Their oracular visions are usually corroborated by the Time-Altering CMAI of the Tesseract and their "Hari Seldon-esque" probability analyses. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 3:16 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Clowns: Threat or menace? At 09:44 AM 7/11/00 -0700, Cheeky Caiius wrote: > (Who's leanings towards cowboy tactics happily do *not* >predispose him to Rodeos, or Rodeo clowns for that matter either) > > Hey, that's great! If DG are the cowboys, who are the rodeo clowns? New slang on the boil, anyone? ;-)) JT Amazing himself, ALL the time... sent from the Irish News. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 3:29 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: Fw: DG: Cults On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > Take the Masons for example. Conspiracy buffs find their tracks from Alamout > to Dallas, books are written about their efforts for the British Empire and > French and American revolutions, they are the template for ancient > conspiracies. Their theoretical doings and assumed agenda are very cultish. > Tie them in with anti-Templar propaganda and they were worshipping Baphomet. > I've read that the 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion' was really an > anti-Mason document that got edited and re-used. I believe I'll reiterate that the only way I would ever deign to run in the twenties would be my Good Masons vs. the Mythos game. Of course, that doesn't preclude the notion of Bad Masons farting around with the Mythos. After all, the people who say these kinds of things say that the American Revolution was a Masonic Schism. Good Wholesome Democratic American Masons vs. Bad ol' Eurotrash Mythos Masons. > Ever wonder why a professed Christian organization didn't form around > carpenters? > Of course, that would have made Hiram Azif the architect of Solomon's gazebo. That, and the fact that Stonemasons require a lot more money (thus had to deal with Usurers), logistics, transport (ships and wagons and roads from quarry to cathedral), engineering, mathematics, art, training, and political worries. All these factors make a strong organization absolutely necessary. The Man in Black is : shaking hands with the enemy. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 3:37 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: Fw: DG: Cults (fwd) On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Khorne wrote: > > But then, imagine the sort of pull a tantra-oid cult of Shub-Niggurath > > would have in such a scenario.... > The Black Mother...hmmmm. I see Shub as more linked to Kali and the > pseudo-Christian mystetry religions of the eastern Mediterranean following > the Diaspora than to Islam, but you can make anything work. I think he meant that the Momma's Boys would be sending in the chicks to seduce these Muslim guys and turn the tables on them, hoping to eventually pervert Islam from within. It won't work of course. Not with the Society of the Mountaintop in action. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 3:43 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Harry bloody Potter On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, David.Clements wrote: > I'm actually linking the evil kids and evil clowns themes in the current > simulation exercise I'm running for my DG cell. An evil clown cult? Would the members have anything to do with Our Hero: Mr. John Wayne Gacy, convict? The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Noyes [ft203004@fsinet.or.jp] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 3:56 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: RE: DG: Re: Clowns: Threat or menace? >Hey, that's great! If DG are the cowboys, who are the rodeo clowns? New >slang on the boil, anyone? ;-)) That would have to be the folks from Phenom-X. Which would lend a new meaning to the lyrics of "Send in the Clowns." Jay From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 3:46 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Harry bloody Potter On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Jonathan Turner, a man without a beanie, wrote: > >Too late, they already have been in several idiotic places, thanks to the > >ease with which simple minds can be altered by the new and improved > >tin-piercing Orbital Mind Control Lasers! > > Aw no! Now what?? Cardboard reinforced beanie hats? The corrugated type > gets my vote as it keeps the rays OFF your head... > > JT > Now verrry worried My advice: glue lots of lead miniatures to your head. The more spiky bits the better, as that breaks up the signal. They have to be lead, not pewter. Pewter is an evil Conspiracy designed to gouge the market, and doesn't block the OMCL very well at all. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 3:48 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Chaos on the Emerald Isle At 08:05 PM 7/11/00 +0200, Evil Eckhard wrote: >As far as I know we Germans promised the Irish support for the Easter Rising of >1916: Weapons and equipment. But because of this Great War going on in Europe the equipment never arrived. We >know the result. > >Do you know something about that, JT??? > Well, I'm afraid my own in-depth knowledge strictly starts with the Troubles in the Sixties. While I'm obviously aware of the 1916 stuff (taught it in school) the 40s is a bit of a cloudy area for hard facts. Certainly the IRA would have enjoyed some German assistance, on the principle that my enemy's enemy is my friend. But as a strictly nationalist force, I don't think they would have been too keen on letting the Nazis too near the Emerald Isle. Personally, I have been tinkering with an idea involving the Special K and the IRA, but tracking down hard facts about what happened in the 1940s has proved a little elusive. Not that I've REALLY tried, of course. Too busy packing. Still, this reminds me of something equally interesting, if not more so. In the Mitrokhin Archive, it was revealed that a Russian spy trawler dumped weapons and equipment overboard off the north coast of Ireland, which was recovered by elements of the Official IRA during the feud with the Provos. They never got to use it, apparently. As Marxists, the Officials enjoyed a ideological connection with the Soviets. That wacky old Colonel `G' In The House Of the SA-7 of course just trained Provos because he liked to stir it up on the world terrorist front, a bit like the MiB when he doesn't drink his damn milk. Ideologically, they shared a hatred of British imperialism. On a related topic, personally, I don't like the use of the Green Man as mentioned in Countdown. Yeah, I think that has come up before. I'm sorry, but that entity is just a kinda cheap pseudo-Celtic reference. Any real research would have revealed much more sinister and definitely Celtic entities, such as Morrigan. http://www.pantheon.org/mythica/articles/m/morrigan.html Personally, when I read that I see Shub-Nigguruth in flaming letters about a hundred feet high. Not perfect, but it could be worked. But my medication dosage is being increased and I should feel fine in a couple of days. While I have no wish to resurrect the Deep One/Fomorian thread, that's one I also have to refer to when we discuss activities here. It's perfect, IMHO. Stay tuned. Plans are being laid. JT sent from the Irish News. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 3:49 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Harry bloody Potter On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Jonathan Turner wrote: > At 07:25 PM 7/10/00 -0400, the slightly squidgy, roly-poly MiB wrote: > > >The Cthulhu in Black (of course) has mysteriously vanished shortly after I > >gave it to my three year old nephew. I think he ate it, the little shit. > >RIP Cthulhu. > > Ate it? No, you fool! It ate HIM, and then morphed its appearance to take > his place! Blast him with your proton pack! That never worked on my nephew before, I don't see why it would be any more effective on a Cthulhumorph, but I'll give it a shot. I still think he ate Plush Cthulhu, you don't know my nephew. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 3:55 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Cc: doctor.dee@libero.it Subject: Re: Lord of the Flies (spoilers) (was Re: DG: Sanity question/debate (fwd)) On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: > I am looking forward to the day that the group splits like in the "Lord > of the Flies" and that these group start to fight each other. > > This would really be must-see-TV. That would be boring. I'm waiting for the neighboring islanders to get tired of their decadent Cthulhu worshipping ways and leave a bunch of star-shaped soapstones all over their publicity seeking hybrid corpses. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jonathan Turner [j.turner@irishnews.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 4:06 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Harry bloody Potter At 04:48 AM 7/12/00 -0400, the fully washable MiB wrote: I still think he ate Plush Cthulhu, you don't know my nephew. > Bastard. Hope it gave him slightly soapy gas... JT sent from the Irish News. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 4:09 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Cult Psychology On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Khorne wrote: > The cults will always have a trickle of new recruits, since there are always > those who want power right now. The new membership to a cult depends not so > much on how it's meme infects the popular consciousness or if it can get > into a remote area and really chew away, but whether or not it offers > something to someone they want. Really? So dreaming Cthulhu's projected dreams, Deep One blood, and delusional participation in the King in Yellow's reality disturbing play aren't of paramount importance to people joining those respective cults. Not to mention the personal appearances of our buddy Nyarlathotep, the parasitism of the Shan, Eihort, and Glaaki. Of course, some cults (Shub-Niggurath, YOG-SOTHOTH) are based more in the occult/religion tradition of recruitment. But that is by no means the only route to adoration of these entities. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 4:26 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Ultraviolet & Nuclear winter (fwd) On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Davide Mana wrote: > All of which does not solve the problem, I realize, simply puts it in a > difefrent light - the plan is crazy and doomed. > Not the first time we face a madman hell-bent on wiping out the life on the > planet, right? Ahem! That was never proven to be my goal, and you know it! Anyway, the Vampires need to watch out, all we have to do is turn on the HAARP and expose their region to some rather interesting narrow-band radiation. That, or just walk up to them one by one and expose them to the Wayne Optics/STAR Labs UV Strobelight. Remember kiddies, in Gotham City By Night, the Batmobile's headlights can kill you faster than you can say "The Huntress! She's got a crossb... [THUNK!] ...ARRGH!" The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Yossi Gurvitz [ygurvitz@netvision.net.il] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 5:16 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Sanity question/debate/Dick At 01:21 AM 7/12/00 , you wrote: >>>>>>The Keystone Spooks? I think it's a mistake to call it intelligence. >However well- (or ill-)meaning intelligence agents are, their screw ups are >both monumentally incompetent and hilarious.<<<<< This one is simply unbelievable. A bunch of our finest went to Switzeerland, in order to tap the phone of a suspected Hizbulla activist. They went down to the cellar which contained the switch box. The place had two entries, so naturally they guarded only one of them. As luck would have it, all the noise and lights at 2. AM woke up an insomniac neighbour, who, being Swiss, called the police. The police came through the unguarded entry, obviously. The three agents in the cellar - two men and a woman - claimed they were tourists, setting up a "love nest". The police were less than convinced, and demanded to see the bag one of the men held, the one with all the obvious electronic devices. At which point the man holding them identified himself as an Israeli diplomat, and claimed the bag was a diplomatic bag, which could not be searched - so much for the "love-struck tourists" story. The police were now really suspicious, and called in reinforcements. The reinforcements found two very Israeli-looking men sitting in a car outside the building - they were guarding the wrong entry - and when they tried to interrogate them, one of the man faked a heart attack, while the other demanded he be allowed to take him to a hospital. This was allowed, but the police escorted them there. All this happened shortly after the most bungled assassination in recorded history, when two Mossad assassins tried to kill a Hamas bigwig in Amman, Jordan. The assassins assaulted the guy in the street, and injected poison into his ear (!). His bodyguard - of whom, for some reason, they were not aware, even though they had the bigwig under surveillance - chased them to the Israeli Embassy car (!) which was used as the get-away vehicle, beat them up (one of the would-be assassins tried to defend himself with a Coca-Cola can), at which point the police intervened. The agents were taken to prison. The rest of the crew fled the kingdom hastily. Both assassins had Canadian passports; however, they knew nothing whatsoever of Canada, had obvious Israeli accents, and the Canadian consul (called in by the police, not the agents) said that "these people were never in Canada in their life." Now, Jordan has recently (in 1994) signed a peace treaty with Israel. It now (September, 1997) had two Israeli agents in its cells, though it was unaware of that - or of the assassination; it was still considered an assault. The Prime Minister, Netanihau, became frantic. He phoned the late King Hussein, and informed him of the fiasco. It seems he feared the agents would be executed. The King blew his top. He demanded formal apology, the antidote for the poison, and the release of Hamas leader, Ahmed Yassin. Israel has, up to that point, sacrificed five soldiers to terrorists, and refused to release him. He was released within 48 hours. All of which did wonders for the national mood. The Mossad became the butt of many jokes. >This is a pet peeve of mine; New Agers around here publish Blavatski's book, >apparently unaware of her involvement in racist theory, and the publication >of her works in Hebrew annoys me to no end. >>>>>>It's all perception. The New Agers want a popular, famous figure to >hitch their wagon to, for credibility, and Blavatsky serves, skeletons in >her closet be damned. The things they're doing with Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >are annoying me to homicide, as well. My university granted an honorary >degree on Emmanuel Velikovsky, fer chrissakes, and he things Jupiter barfed >out Venus in historical times.<<<<< How can Blavatski be considered credible? I was under the impression she was exposed as a fake in the late 19th century. >Which brings us to the old question of whether HPL was a racist. >>>>>>One must consider HPL's milieu. His was an age, and he consciously >adopted the values of earlier ages that also beleived in the white man's >burden. It was beleived that the white man was superior, because his >acheivements were plain to see: great cities, wealth, technology, and so on. >It was the duty of the white man to bring along the savages, which were >pretty well everyone else on earth. HPL has a real distaste for This is all classified as racism today. Yet I cannot think of HPL, or of Kipling for that matter, as member of the Klan. >>>>>>Ironically, seeing the things they saw, Delta Green would have actual >experience to base racism on, instead of crack-pit ideas like >Blavatsky.<<<<< Granted. But wouldn't it cause a severe case of cognitive dissonance? And would the old-generation agents be able to convince the younger ones of these "unacceptable truths"? Wouldn't they be dismissed as old bigots? This would change after the first contact with Tcho-Tcho, one presumes; but how many agents are likely to encounter the Tcho-Tcho? Yours, Yossi From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 4:43 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Sanity question/debate/Dick Yossi Gurvitz, Atlantean UFO mechanic, wrote: > race" theory (the ancient source is, irony of ironies, Judaism and its > concept of "the chosen people"). This is a pet peeve of mine; New Agers > around here publish Blavatski's book, apparently unaware of her > involvement in racist theory, and the publication of her works in Hebrew > annoys me to no end. Well how else are you supposed to conduct Kabbalistic magic with that stuff? Answer me that, Mr. Mossad? > In mythos terms, however, her ideas are correct. Which brings us to > the old question of whether HPL was a racist. I'll rather duck this > one, however, and ask another: given that racism has a basis in the > Mythos (Tcho-Tcho are a case in point), how would tat affect the > thinking of DG agents, brought up on the ideals of liberalism? The only thing that matters is the threat and the response. Distinction between human, partially-human, and not-human is otherwise irrelevant. Pathetic-12 is more of a threat right now than say, Tiger Transit or Deep One Hybrids. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of David.Clements [David.Clements@astro.cf.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 4:39 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: the Gof'nn Hupadgh Shub-Niggurath [NB Please turn off HTML tags for your email as it makes them tough to read!] On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Khorne wrote: > Maybe you all can help me out here. The section on the changes wrought = > by accepting the Seal of God in the Skoptsi section of Countdown is = > wonderfully detailed about game rules, but doesn't tell us what the = > Gof'nn Hupadgh Shub-Niggurath look like. Now, this may be one of those = > questions where you get the ambiguous non-answer of "it's up to the = > Keeper", which tells you sweet fuck all. I'm after more than that. = > What changes does being thrown into the maw of the Magna Mater cause? = > The Skoptsi section says they look different. How? In what way? = > Obviously, based on game rules, they stay weedy little pikers, but how = > are they different? It's more than just the mutilation of the genitals, = > because the Skoptsi section is very clear that the Seal of God is = > different from the creation of the Gof'nn Hupadgh Shub-Niggurath. What = > do they look like? If you go and read The Moon Lens by Ramsey Campbell you'll get some ideas. The problem is that they are *all different*, as in fact a close reading of Countdown and other sources will indicate. My take is as follows. Consider all the 'black magic' associated animals - goats, crows, cats, etc. - and think of various ways these could meld with the human form. Classic Satyrs are one possibility, but there are opthers far worse. This is the approach I used for the results of a particularly unpleasent series of experimentations using Shub-Niggurath milk. > I only ask because it might be useful to tell my players what exactly = > they're mowing down with Cetme Squad Automatic Weapons looks like. And I was only disappointed when the players, after mowing down my mutants, didn't bother to look at what changes had occurred udnerneath the lab coats. But I guess who can blame them - they wanted to leave that place as fast as possible - that is after placing the FAE packages at the right locations... Dave From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 4:54 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Sanity question/debate/Dick On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Yossi Gurvitz wrote: [Funny Canadians in the Mossad Redacted] > This is all classified as racism today. Yet I cannot think of HPL, or of > Kipling for that matter, as member of the Klan. That is because racism is the belief that one race is superior. Bigotry is the belief that because one race is superior, it excuses mistreatment of the "inferior". HPL was a racist, not a bigot. This is discussed in 5.5 CoC. The rulebook: read it, learn it, it's your friend. > Granted. But wouldn't it cause a severe case of cognitive dissonance? And > would the old-generation agents be able to convince the younger ones of these > "unacceptable truths"? Wouldn't they be dismissed as old bigots? This would > change after the first contact with Tcho-Tcho, one presumes; but how many > agents are likely to encounter the Tcho-Tcho? That's why compartmentalization is so important. Don't tell 'em jack until it's time to show the Tcho-Tcho the doorway into hell before they do the same to us. Need to Know. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 5:02 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Cc: doctor.dee@libero.it Subject: Re: DG: Chaos on the Emerald Isle On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: > Good afternoon, everybody. > > m > i > n > o > r > > c > o > u > n > t > d > o > w > n > > s > p > o > i > l > e > r > s > > > The reason is the following: With all the activities of British agencies > in Ireland and the British Shan-problem it would be a huge surprise if > the IRA never ever stumbled upon our alien guests. It wouldn't suprise me to find that the IRA is clueless about the Shan. How much aerospace industry is there in Eire anyway? I think the ESA has a tracking station but that's about it right? Wouldn't the Green Man, the Lloigor and the Druids work a bit better? The most the Shan might want in Ireland is the opportunity to torture and kill in an SAS body. If the IRA start monkeywrenching the aerospace industry, their days are numbered. Aerospace is a hard target. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of David.Clements [David.Clements@astro.cf.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 4:59 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Harry bloody Potter On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, The Man in Black wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, David.Clements wrote: > > > I'm actually linking the evil kids and evil clowns themes in the current > > simulation exercise I'm running for my DG cell. > > An evil clown cult? Would the members have anything to do with Our Hero: > Mr. John Wayne Gacy, convict? Actually no. I don't know much about him - I must have missed much of the coverage since I'm outside the US. The cult is actually based around an idea I've pinched from Victor Hugo (don't laugh!) and the medieval tradition of having mutilated and/or disfigured clowns in royal courts. The idea is that a group, called the Comprachicos (and stolen from Hugo) developed in the dark and middle ages who specialised in preparing orphans and other stray children for lives either asd beggars or as court jesters through ritual mutilation and training. The Comprachicos developed into a powerful shaddowy force who, through their court jesters, had the ears of many European royal families. The darker secret is that the Comprachicos have developed connectiosn with the Mythos, and specifically Cthulhu. They have enetered the modern age in two ways. They now run a number of child care institutions. These are seemingly very successful, producing apparently well behaved, well adjusted and motivated adults, many of whom do well at universities and in professional careers. Its easy to take delinquent orphans and turn them into model citizens if you have mythos magic behind you. These people then become lawyers and other professionals with the ears of today's powerful men. At the same time, many of the Comprahcicos charges are subconsciously traumatised, and easily driven insane by myhtos-associated experiences. There is also an inner core of children programmed to become psychotic killers when the time is right and the End Times are to be ushered in (The Time to Reap as the Comnprachicos would put it). In this way Cthulhu not only gains influence over world leaders, all the better to draw the End Times near, but also gains an army that will unthinkingly do his bidding through his Comprachico servants. Meanwhile, the success of the Comprachicos in turning disadvantaged orphans into successful lawyers, journalists, etc. has led some politicians into thinking their methods should be introduced to the whole school system. But don't worry, Cell G is working on the case. Or at least they will be as soon as they can persuade a local Comprachico-infulenced sheriff to let them out of jail... Dave From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 5:08 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Cc: doctor.dee@libero.it Subject: Re: DG: Re: Clowns: Threat or menace? Jonathan Turner schrieb: > At 09:44 AM 7/11/00 -0700, Cheeky Caiius wrote: > > > (Who's leanings towards cowboy tactics happily do *not* > >predispose him to Rodeos, or Rodeo clowns for that matter either) > > > > > > Hey, that's great! If DG are the cowboys, who are the rodeo clowns? New > slang on the boil, anyone? ;-)) If you have a group that can be compared to the Lone Gunmen in the X-Files supporting your players [ Saucerwatch for example ], they might well be the Rodeo-Clowns. ECKHARD From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 5:08 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Cc: doctor.dee@libero.it Subject: Re: DG: Harry bloody Potter The Man in Black schrieb: > On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, David.Clements wrote: > > > I'm actually linking the evil kids and evil clowns themes in the current > > simulation exercise I'm running for my DG cell. > > An evil clown cult? Would the members have anything to do with Our Hero: > Mr. John Wayne Gacy, convict? > Ah, the mother of all evil Clowns. I guess it was him who finally ruined the clowns' public image. Not to forget Sideshow Bob. ECKHARD From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 5:20 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Ultraviolet & Nuclear winter On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Khorne wrote: > The US and Russia have pointed their missiles away from each other > these days, so you cannot rick one into blasting the other, not right > away.<<<<< Allow me to correct your ignorance. The missiles are currently aimed to hit somewhere in the ocean in case of accidental (yeah right) launch. However, it takes about ten seconds of keystrokes and button pushing to aim an ICBM anywhere in the world. That's about as close to "right away" as it gets. > >>>>>Carbon bullets aren't hard to find. Any machinist or specialty > gunsmith could make them. The question is why. Carbon is too light, and > either too soft or too fragile to be useful as a bullet. It wouldn't hit > hard enough to do damage the way a conventional bullet would, and it would > be too light to have proper ballistics beyonf maybe a hundred feet.<<<<< Carbon is the most versatile substance around. Diamonds are made of carbon. So are Buckyballs and Buckytubes. If you think that the only form of carbon is pencil lead, then you are drastically mistaken. That having been said, I don't see why you can't just use API or tracers or something along those lines. Those would be cheaper and more effective than exotic carbon structure (ECS) rounds. Although ECS can be used to conduct electricity via superconducting Buckytube wires, the electrolaser is far better as a direct weapon. Artillery shells using the ECS zapper airbursts might prove effective on unshielded circuitry, but how this would work on bloodsucking fiends from beyond the grave is beyond me. For an example of a ECS grenade causing lasting EMP interference, see STRANGE RAIN. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 5:25 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Clowns: Threat or menace? On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Jonathan Turner wrote: > At 09:44 AM 7/11/00 -0700, Cheeky Caiius wrote: > > > (Who's leanings towards cowboy tactics happily do *not* > >predispose him to Rodeos, or Rodeo clowns for that matter either) > > > > > > Hey, that's great! If DG are the cowboys, who are the rodeo clowns? New > slang on the boil, anyone? ;-)) The job of a rodeo clown is to distract the penis-bound bull or horse (the animal, not the guy you pay to... well, nevermind) when the Cowboy falls off his ride, which takes .01 to 10 seconds in most rodeos. Thus, the Rodeo Clowns are the cleaners, sent in to pick up the pieces so Delta Green can get back on its feet and run to safety. Usually they get called in after a Cowboy op. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 5:47 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Evil clowns redux Enhance 34 to 46. Pull back. Wait a minute. Go right. Stop. Enhance 57 to 19. Track 45 left. Stop. Enhance 15 to 23. Give me a hard copy right there: LizardRoi@AOL.COM > It would seem that the Clown Conspiracy to impurify our essence and hog more > than their share of the strawberries is gathering momentum. > > Mark McFadden > Note: not one rodeo clown in the whole bunch, although wrestling has an evil > one. Wrestling has several Evil Clowns. First, there is Doink the Clown, who for a while was a face before being exposed as the force behind the Evil Clown Midgets. Doink was just an amateur compared to the ICP, or Insane Clown Posse. There are a few on the indy circuit as well. None of these clowns have any wrestling ability that stands out in my mind. ICP also has some pretty crappy rap albums as well. Oh yeah, one more thing: leave the Pro-Wrestling around here to me Reptilian, or I will knock the fur right out of your Gerbil-Hole. Then you will feel what they feel when the Black Peril helicopters off the turnbuckle and puts your neck into the top rope. Whatta MOVE~! [SIGN: "Mark likes Gerbils"] The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 5:47 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Cc: doctor.dee@libero.it Subject: Re: DG: Chaos on the Emerald Isle Jonathan Turner schrieb: [snip] > Well, I'm afraid my own in-depth knowledge strictly starts with the > Troubles in the Sixties. While I'm obviously aware of the 1916 stuff > (taught it in school) the 40s is a bit of a cloudy area for hard facts. For what reason? Have the facts been covered up by somebody? > Certainly the IRA would have enjoyed some German assistance, on the > principle that my enemy's enemy is my friend. And don't forget that many Germans love Ireland and the Irish. There are even famous German witers like Heinrich Boell who wrote about Ireland. Many Germans [ including me ] love Irish literature, there's even a German translation of "Finnegan's Wake" [ that I found even more difficult to read than the English version ]. On the German side there is a certain respect for the Irish fight for independence. And of course you're right even from the German perspective: During history Germany and Great Britain had their problems and therefore the "my enemy's enemy is my friend" works for the German side as well. [snip] > On a related topic, personally, I don't like the use of the Green Man as > mentioned in Countdown. Yeah, I think that has come up before. I'm sorry, > but that entity is just a kinda cheap pseudo-Celtic reference. Any real > research would have revealed much more sinister and definitely Celtic > entities, such as Morrigan. > http://www.pantheon.org/mythica/articles/m/morrigan.html > > Personally, when I read that I see Shub-Nigguruth in flaming letters about > a hundred feet high. I agree with you on the Green Man and countdown. But in my opinion Morrigan is just TOO obvious as an avatar of Shub-Niggurath. ECKHARD From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 5:59 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: CLOWN CULTS OF WESTERN EUROPE Re: DG: Harry bloody Potter On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, David.Clements wrote: > > An evil clown cult? Would the members have anything to do with Our Hero: > > Mr. John Wayne Gacy, convict? > > Actually no. I don't know much about him - I must have missed much of the > coverage since I'm outside the US. Serial Killer, liked to dress like a clown, paints a lot of clowns. Buried a lot of raped teenaged boys in the basement. Perfect Clown Cult material. > The cult is actually based around an idea I've pinched from Victor Hugo > (don't laugh!) and the medieval tradition of having mutilated and/or > disfigured clowns in royal courts. I always thought that the dwarfs and disfigured jesters were produced by too much inbreeding among the nobility. Not that I know jack about these things, but that's a concept you should address. Maybe the disfigured "real" nobility are pissed that they can't take their rightful throne, and founded this Hasturish sounding cult to set them and theirs as the powers behind the throne. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 6:18 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Chaos on the Emerald Isle The Man in Black schrieb: > On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: > > > Good afternoon, everybody. > > > > m > > i > > n > > o > > r > > > > c > > o > > u > > n > > t > > d > > o > > w > > n > > > > s > > p > > o > > i > > l > > e > > r > > s > > [ snip ] > > Wouldn't the Green Man, the Lloigor and the Druids work a bit better? In my opinion those are too obvious, just a bit too much of celtic clichés. ECKHARD From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Yossi Gurvitz [ygurvitz@netvision.net.il] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 7:12 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Sanity question/debate/Dick At 11:53 AM 7/12/00 , you wrote: >the belief that because one race is superior, it excuses mistreatment of >the "inferior". HPL was a racist, not a bigot. This is discussed in >5.5 CoC. The rulebook: read it, learn it, it's your friend. Still using my old and battered 5th edition. Is the new version worth my money, given that I use the 5th edition? Looks cooler, no doubt, but are there many changes? >it's time to show the Tcho-Tcho the doorway into hell before they do the >same to us. Need to Know. Then it's time to walk the tight-rope again: how to balance the "need to know" requirements with the knowledge that if your agents don't know enough, they'll be in ho Mother's Milk to their eyeballs? Yours, Yossi From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Yossi Gurvitz [ygurvitz@netvision.net.il] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 7:08 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Sanity question/debate/Dick At 11:43 AM 7/12/00 , you wrote: >Yossi Gurvitz, Atlantean UFO mechanic, wrote: > >> race" theory (the ancient source is, irony of ironies, Judaism and its >> concept of "the chosen people"). This is a pet peeve of mine; New Agers >> around here publish Blavatski's book, apparently unaware of her >> involvement in racist theory, and the publication of her works in Hebrew >> annoys me to no end. > >Well how else are you supposed to conduct Kabbalistic magic with that >stuff? Answer me that, Mr. Mossad? Why would I want to do Kabbalistic magic with the writing of an ignorant, anti-semite gentile. when I have Shas, the third largest party, at my disposal? Shas uses Kabbalism in every political campaign. They bless (or curse, which they do rather more often) political candidates, mass-produce and mass-distribute talismans, and during the 1991 Gulf War, they used that most terrible rite, Pulsa-DeNura ("Arrow of Fire", in Aramic) against Saddam Hussein. This one was supposed to kill him within a year, and some of their Kabbalist say it did; they say the Saddam Hussein we see on television from time to time, cheerfully butchering people, is a look-alike. The rite says that if the rabbis using it are not pure, or if the target is not worthy, they will die. instead of the targets. And since all the kabbalists involved are still alive (the most powerful of them, the near-official chief wizard of Israel, is 104 years old), it's obvious Saddam dies. I am not kidding. I am terribly, terribly serious. And this is the third-largest party, soon to become the second largest, possibly the largest. You have those guys at your side, who needs a Blavatski? Interesting tidbit: most Israeli roleplayers are secular. Most seculars hate Shas with a passion. Every CoC campaign set in Israel I've ever seen (except for mine, which dealt with holocaust survivors who knew too much) included Shas as a pawn of the GOO. >The only thing that matters is the threat and the response. Distinction >between human, partially-human, and not-human is otherwise irrelevant. >Pathetic-12 is more of a threat right now than say, Tiger Transit or Deep >One Hybrids. Not at all sure. Sure, PA-12 deal directly with the Mi-Go, but they do so unaware of their true nature; TT deals directly with Shub-Niggurath. Not with some lesser, if independent, races, but with one of the 10/100 SAN loss monstrosities. And, what's more, they're mass-marketing it. PA-12 may kidnap a dozen or so humans a year, and may decimate a minor town here and there, but these guys are going to reach millions within the next few years - and that's a conservative estimate. I say we leave Pathetic for a while, and concentrate on TT and the Tcho-Tcho. Yours, Yossi