From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Edward Lipsett [translation@intercomltd.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 7:02 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Japan sourcebook project Thanks to writers like Yamada Futaro, the ninja in Japan is generally thought of as having an infinite store of essentially magical gadgets, not to mention being superhuman. A human ninja, ie with shuriken, the ability to run half the day without tiring (but not all day), and the ability to make himself look like a tree (as opposed to becoming invisible) would work fine in any campaign - it would be esentially the same as any dirty tricks department. So modern-day ninja, sure, no problem. I draw the line at supermen wandering around, though - the fundamental definition of Mythoc games is the its normal people versus the abnormal, dark universe. Or at least that always been my take on it. Andrew John Farrow wrote: > why not ? i do - well maybe thats not a compelling reason , but as a a > patsy / force multiplier / deniable asset for the machinations of the BDS / > BOS they are ideal , ive only just introduced them so havnt decided which > side of the mythos fence they will jump on yet . but after only 2 encounters > they are showing signs of going thier own inscrutible way . they are > mercenaries after all . > > and i am toying with idea of them being an independant pos. anti mythos > faction . but which ever way they go - they are already proved to be > dangerous . ===== Edward Lipsett Intercom, Ltd. Fukuoka, Japan translation@intercomltd.com http://www.intercomltd.com Fax: +81-92-712-9220 From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 7:12 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Japan sourcebook project At 09:02 AM 9/21/2000 +0900, Edward Lipsett wrote: >I draw the line at supermen wandering around, though - the fundamental >definition of Mythoc games is the its normal people versus the abnormal, >dark universe. Or at least that always been my take on it. Wouldn't ninjas work as part of the abnormal dark universe (as NPCs) the normal people (the PCs) are fighting against? I dimly recall reading that ninjutsu involved a certain amount of magical practices, and legend has painted them as something sorcerous. Maybe ninjas would make good foot soldiers for Genyosha. Ninjas still smack of uncoolness, though. Years of bad B-movie fight scenes have done far more harm than can be outweighed by cool ninjas, like Frank Miller's the Hand and.... I don't know of any other cool ninjas. Gil Trevizo furrylogic@mindspring.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Edward Lipsett [translation@intercomltd.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 7:24 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Japan sourcebook project It's as valid a view of life as mine, I suppose... I just figure that the Mythos already has plenty of bad guys with plenty of superhuman (or at least inhuman) powers, and don't really see any need to drag superpowered human beings into the fray. Plus which, as you say, the word "ninja" has all sorts of bad associations. GI Joe and Doc Savage can climb sheer cliffs with their bare hands without needing to be called "ninjas", and that's about as far as I like going with human beings. Maybe my gaming views are too sedentary... Gil Trevizo wrote: > > At 09:02 AM 9/21/2000 +0900, Edward Lipsett wrote: > >I draw the line at supermen wandering around, though - the fundamental > >definition of Mythoc games is the its normal people versus the abnormal, > >dark universe. Or at least that always been my take on it. > > Wouldn't ninjas work as part of the abnormal dark universe (as NPCs) the > normal people (the PCs) are fighting against? I dimly recall reading that > ninjutsu involved a certain amount of magical practices, and legend has > painted them as something sorcerous. Maybe ninjas would make good foot > soldiers for Genyosha. > > Ninjas still smack of uncoolness, though. Years of bad B-movie fight > scenes have done far more harm than can be outweighed by cool ninjas, like > Frank Miller's the Hand and.... I don't know of any other cool ninjas. ===== Edward Lipsett Intercom, Ltd. Fukuoka, Japan translation@intercomltd.com http://www.intercomltd.com Fax: +81-92-712-9220 From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Rain Crow Lee [raincrowlee@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 7:36 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Spanish Civil War Rob Shankly said: > >Here follows a ramble about Spanish history. You have been warned. > and a lot more stuff. Prior to Roman occupation of the Iberian peninsula, Spain was home to a branch of the Celts, who had spread from the Halstatt civilization in central Europe centuries before. The Halstatts were adept iron workers, and their designs for the sword were further developed in Spain, and became the sword known to us as the Roman Legionnaire's sword. Before the Celts were, of course, the people we know today as the Basques. RCL _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Edward Lipsett [translation@intercomltd.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 7:42 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Spanish Civil War OK, I track you that far... Now where did the Basques come from? Not to mention their language! Rain Crow Lee wrote: > Prior to Roman occupation of the Iberian peninsula, Spain was home to a > branch of the Celts, who had spread from the Halstatt civilization in > central Europe centuries before. The Halstatts were adept iron workers, and > their designs for the sword were further developed in Spain, and became the > sword known to us as the Roman Legionnaire's sword. > > Before the Celts were, of course, the people we know today as the Basques. ===== Edward Lipsett Intercom, Ltd. Fukuoka, Japan translation@intercomltd.com http://www.intercomltd.com Fax: +81-92-712-9220 From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Rain Crow Lee [raincrowlee@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 7:48 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Japan sourcebook project Edward Lipsett >It's as valid a view of life as mine, I suppose... >I just figure that the Mythos already has plenty of bad guys with plenty >of superhuman (or at least inhuman) powers, and don't really see any >need to drag superpowered human beings into the fray. >Plus which, as you say, the word "ninja" has all sorts of bad >associations. > >GI Joe and Doc Savage can climb sheer cliffs with their bare hands >without needing to be called "ninjas", and that's about as far as I like >going with human beings. Maybe my gaming views are too sedentary... > There's a guy around called Glenn Morris who has written three books. He claims to have been trained by a unified Headmaster of nine Ninja clans. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tripe. I'm hedging because I have not dealt with the guy, only read his books and anyone can write anything. BUT He points out that most of what people think of as the 'magic tricks' that the ninja used are actually practical war arts based on yoga meditation/enlightenment and energy manipulation. It's a way of actually transferring the energy underlying our motions in a very specific way. Sure, you say, something else to be sceptical about. Still, I've seen a couple of things that make me think that it might not be all crap. Still, for DG, who says that the Mythos is the only way to power? They started letting rules in for folk magic. Why not explore the side roads of Chinese medicine and qi manipulation? Also, who said the ninja had to work for the Mythos? Not all mysteries have to be linked with the Mythos. What if there are supermen who want nothing to do with the Mythos fight? Ninja are very Zen -- very Buddhist. Mi-go are just as much an illusion as desire. Just imagine the PCs' frustration. It'd be like giving them a Sun-Killer weapon and no ammo... Glenn Morris has a web site that can be accessed at www.hoshin.com. Either look with interest or look to see another used car salesman. That way you know not to trust him on sight. RCL _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Edward Lipsett [translation@intercomltd.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 7:55 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Japan sourcebook project Rain Crow Lee wrote: > He points out that most of what people think of as the 'magic tricks' that > the ninja used are actually practical war arts based on yoga > meditation/enlightenment and energy manipulation. It's a way of actually > transferring the energy underlying our motions in a very specific way. > > Sure, you say, something else to be sceptical about. Hey, I have nothing against ninja, yoga, et al. I just don't like "strong" people running around in my campaigns, that's all. ===== Edward Lipsett Intercom, Ltd. Fukuoka, Japan translation@intercomltd.com http://www.intercomltd.com Fax: +81-92-712-9220 From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 8:22 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Ninjas Yes, bad artists have made the very word equivalent to cheesey fight scenes. So what does everyone mean when they say ninja? Do you mean the black-suited acrobatic "Orcs" of so so so many chop sockey extravaganzas? The cool Zen magician\assassins of the modern day legend rewriters? The samurai clan that had to retreat into the forests and trained themselves into the wall-crawling super soldiers? The mystical freelance assassins guild that did the dirty work that samurai couldn't dishonor themselves by doing? Howzabout the scouts that were used by the military, fighters who were not constrained by the samurai code and could therefore scout, get intel and *not fight the enemy* as a samurai would have to. Like the Hwa Rang of Korea. I've even read that the usual depiction of a ninja is based on the prop man in Kabuki. He wears the same outfit and is traditionally 'not seen'. This would make the various woodcuts and paintings depicting ninjas symbolic representations of fighters who are invisible. Other writers have stated that the ninja invisibility was simply disguise and posing as commonplace people who are not noticed, such as servants. 'Ninja' is a big murky subject with a lot of mutually exclusive tales attached. They are the Teflon-coated FAE Rhodesian Jungle Round of Zenfondlers, but you know what they are like. I think ninjas can be used in the DG world with great effect, both for and against the Mythos. But first you've got to shuck all the baggage and figure out just what the hell we are talking about. Mark McFadden From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Kindred [kindred@wizard.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:44 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Ninjas His Majesty the Great and Terrible Lizard King decreed: >I think ninjas can be used in the DG world with great effect, both for and >against the Mythos. But first you've got to shuck all the baggage and >figure out just what the hell we are talking about. It says here that ninjas can read people's minds! Gad! I never knew they could do so much! I thought they just hung around airports and got sucked up into jet engines. -The Tick techno-ninjas seem to be quite the rage as well. The first ones I saw were in the George Takei/Robert aspirin novel "Mirror Friend, Mirror Foe". Since then they seem to be everywhere. kindred I am a hedge. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Joseph Camp [alphonse@delta-green.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:13 PM To: dgrpg Subject: DG: Urgent Latin Translation Needed John Tynes at Pagan has asked me to forward the following request to the list: >Hey folks, > >I've got two short sentences that I need to be translated into Latin: > >"What is the price of knowledge?" > >"What is the price of wisdom?" > >If any of you erudite souls could help, I'd appreciate it. We've polled >the Ars Magica list to no avail. If you have answers, you can contact him directly at rev@tccorp.com. be seeing you, Alphonse From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Edward Lipsett [translation@intercomltd.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:26 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Urgent Latin Translation Needed I used a little creative editing and posted the following on LANTRA; we should get a reply within 24 hours. > I have been asked by an author writing a game-related book to come up > with some motto-ish Latin for the following sentences. > This is related to the Cthulhu mythos, and they are basically saying that > "there are things too horrible for the human mind to know." (if you've read > Lovecraft, you already know...). The mottos would be for some semi-religious > organization dedicated to destroying these baddies. Joseph Camp wrote: > > John Tynes at Pagan has asked me to forward the following request to the > list: > > >I've got two short sentences that I need to be translated into Latin: > >"What is the price of knowledge?" > >"What is the price of wisdom?" > > > >If any of you erudite souls could help, I'd appreciate it. We've polled > >the Ars Magica list to no avail. ===== Edward Lipsett Intercom, Ltd. Fukuoka, Japan translation@intercomltd.com http://www.intercomltd.com Fax: +81-92-712-9220 From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Hauptkov [lhopt@uswest.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:31 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com; rev@tccorp.com Subject: Re: DG: Urgent Latin Translation Needed Alphonse wrote: > >I've got two short sentences that I need to be translated into Latin: > > > >"What is the price of knowledge?" > > > >"What is the price of wisdom?" > be seeing you, > Alphonse I'm only a second-year highschool Latin student, but these are easy. :) Respectively, Quid pretium cognitionis? Quid pretium sapientiae? Be seeing you. -Hopt From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Hauptkov [lhopt@uswest.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:36 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com; rev@tccorp.com Subject: Re: DG: Urgent Latin Translation Needed Oops. Those should be: Quid pretium cognitionis est? and Quid pretium sapientiae est? From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Reinhold Messner [asicono@netscape.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:57 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: [Re: DG: RE: Japan sourcebook project] Gil Trevizo said . . . ".... I don't know of any other cool ninjas." Jubei, from the anime masterpiece Ninja Scroll. Just don't watch the sequel. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 11:10 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Ninjas At 09:22 PM 9/20/2000 -0400, LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > I think ninjas can be used in the DG world with great effect, both for > and against the Mythos. But first you've got to shuck all the baggage and > figure out just what the hell we are talking about. Obviously this requires some research. I ain't gonna do that now because I'm plowing through the jingoistic Japanese-bashing "I told you so" memoir of a bitter naval intelligence officer to finish my DG-relevant history of the Office of Naval Intelligence that should be done soon. Whatever research mana I got left is downed into Genyosha/Kokoryukai study, but this kinda ties into that, so here goes.... Got the new Dark Horse reprint of the Lone Wolf & Cub series this week, and while it's hardly the best source as a history of ninjutsu, it does place the ninja into the hierachy of the Tokugawa Shogunate, as the o-niwaban, network of ninja spies that dug up dirt for the shogun on disloyal daimyo. Fast forward to the Meiji Restoration, as the shogunate goes the way of the dodo and a bunch of samurai find themselves unemployed like they had elected a Republican into office. The jobless samurai in Kyushu, from whence our nationalist secret societies are born, rally under the Satsuma clan and its leader Saigo Takamori, who leads them in a failed rebellion against the central government but for the Emperor in a twisted little relationship. That's when they decide that direct action ain't where it's at, and become Genyosha, which continues their campaign of reverence for the Emperor while trying to bring down his administration and end westernization. This eventually gets translated into conquering China, which becomes the focus of Genyosha and its child, the Black Dragon Society. I don't know what happened to the o-niwaban and its ninja spies after the shogunate fell. I don't even know if there was a such thing as the o-niwaban or it was just made up the manga. Like I said, this needs research.... but ninjas were a part of the shogunate hierarchy and the boys who part of that hierarchy end up creating Genyosha. Hence and thereforth, I put forward that Genyosha could have inherited the old shogunate spy network and therefore must have ninjas. Or maybe shinobi, which the glossary in the back of the Lone Wolf & Cub volume defines as "ninja". I don't what the difference is between ninja and shinobi, or if there even is one. I do know that Chuck Norris, Michael Dudikoff, Jeff Speakman, et. al. never took out a platoon of shinobi on a late night cable movie though, which makes shinobi infinitely more cool than ninja. Gil Trevizo furrylogic@mindspring.com From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Rain Crow Lee [raincrowlee@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 1:12 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Spanish Civil War >From: Edward Lipsett > >OK, I track you that far... >Now where did the Basques come from? >Not to mention their language! > "Archaeological and ethnographic findings indicate that Basque man evolved from Cro-Magnon man in this area over a period dating from 40,000 yers ago until distinct features were acquired approximately 7000 years ago." from students.washington.edu/buber/Basque/History/shorthist.html As for the language, it is an artifact from pre-Bronze Age Europe. Who knows? It might be what they spoke in Atlantis. RCL _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 2:56 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Cc: rev@tccorp.com Subject: Re: DG: Urgent Latin Translation Needed Greetings. >Oops. Those should be: > >Quid pretium cognitionis est? >and >Quid pretium sapientiae est? Some ultrafast notes. First - you can drop the 'est', which is automaticaly implied in Latin if no other verb is attached to the sentence. Alternatively, you can place the 'est' after the 'quid' to reinforce the rethorical sense of the question. Second - Both phrases above imply a monetary evaluation of the price. 'Quid praetium' is practically 'How much?' Solid alternatives (IMHO) could be 1 - Quale praemium scientiae What is the price of knowledge 2 - Quale praemium prudentiae What is the price of wisdom. Praemium is a more generic term for 'price' . I'm avoiding 'sapientiae' because depending on time and place it can both mean 'knowledge' and 'wisdom'. ['prudentiae', on the other hand, came to mean 'caution' to later-than-classic-writers] Hope this helps. Davide Mana Torino, Italy From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 3:04 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: [Re: DG: RE: Japan sourcebook project] Greetings. Let's compare ninjas. >Gil Trevizo said . . . >".... I don't know of any other cool ninjas." > > >Jubei, from the anime masterpiece Ninja Scroll. Just don't watch the sequel. Kagemaru, from Sampei Shirato's 'Ninja Bugeicho'. Accept no substitute. Davide Mana Torino, Italy ^^^^^^^ [home of the Turin Hill Ninja] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Robert Thomas [ThomasR@Cardiff.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 6:00 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Missile Blast Hello All, Just not sure what to make of this one yet, MI6 was attacked by a missile today more details here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_934000/934937.stm Does this have that bouquet or what? I'm thinking someone in MI6 found out about the shans in MI5 and the Shans took direct action. Later Rob. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 5:53 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Cc: doctor.dee@libero.it Subject: Re: [Re: DG: The Spanish Civil War] On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: > And I love to use our most-favourite fertility goddess for the following > reason: I always thought of Bull-Fighting as a ceremony where the bull > is sacrificed to Shub Niggurath. Moron. Bullfighting is a bastardization of Mithras worship. Clearly that goes to Nyarlathotep, the Toe Jam Tapper. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 6:02 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Japan sourcebook project On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Gil Trevizo wrote: > scenes have done far more harm than can be outweighed by cool ninjas, like > Frank Miller's the Hand and.... I don't know of any other cool ninjas. I happen to think Leonardo, Donatello, Raphael and Michaelangelo are pretty kewl. And they have shuriken too! The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 6:07 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Japan sourcebook project On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Edward Lipsett wrote: > I just don't like "strong" people running around in my campaigns, that's all. This is a fairly narrow minded and self limiting view. The occasional Powergamer fest can be quite amusing. You just have to let the story flow from the extraordinary players, rather than to the ordinary players. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of void if removed [turner23@thehub.com.au] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 6:19 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Urgent Latin Translation Needed stumbled upon this site the other day whilst trying to create a literal translation for "house of pain." http://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/Lexis/Latin/ a marvelous site although certain requests can give extended results. agent fiend fiendo - the making, it will be made. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 6:24 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Cc: rev@tccorp.com Subject: Re: DG: Urgent Latin Translation Needed On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Hauptkov wrote: > Alphonse wrote: > > > >I've got two short sentences that I need to be translated into Latin: > > > > > >"What is the price of knowledge?" > > > > > >"What is the price of wisdom?" Tynes you hillbilly, like all great propagandists, you must bow to the Rule of Three: What Price Knowledge? What Price Wisdom? What Price Sanity? > Quid pretium cognitionis? > > Quid pretium sapientiae? That price will be $5,555 in unmarked $1 bills. Bury them at the base of the seventh tree to the left of the entrance to the seattle needle. The Illuminati will contact you in 23 days or at the time of your "mysterious disappearance", whichever comes sooner. May cause Cancer in Igneous Rocks. Void where Prohibited. Offer valid in 49 states, SORRRRRRRRRRY Tennessee! The Man in Black is : applying the invisible hand. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 6:40 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Missile Blast On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Robert Thomas wrote: > Hello All, > > Just not sure what to make of this one yet, MI6 was attacked by a > missile today more details here: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_934000/934937.stm > > Does this have that bouquet or what? I'm thinking someone in MI6 > found out about the shans in MI5 and the Shans took direct action. Smells more like 3-eye to me. I figure the "missile" was a shoulder launched deal like a LAW or Stinger. Maybe an insane 3-eye guy, trying to assassinate a shan host, either real or imagined. Of course, in one game I played in, I made up this elaborate BS cover story about how some neo nazi idiots shot a Grenade Launcher at the federal building I was working in. In reality, The Great Cedric Krazer, USMS, used a few live fragmentation grenades that he kept in his desk (as paperweights) to blow up a Hunting Horror. Unfortunately, the wounded Horror made off with the Necronomicon. But thanks to this BS cover story, I was able to mobilize the shit out for our taskforce against the Karotechia numbnuts. Sometimes I'm so good I scare myself... The Man in Black is : fondling his grenades. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum "Don't make me take off my sunglasses!" - Griss, Bringing Out the Dead http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com [EMERALD HAMMER] From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Rain Crow Lee [raincrowlee@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 11:51 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Would you let this charcter in your game?:NPC me Rain Crow Lee real name: Eric Hansen aka: Brett, Alex, Constantine Type: Caucasian Religion: Lapsed Athiest and part-time Discordian Birthday: 9/23/71 (and you thought you had it bad, Jussi;)) STR 14 DEX 14 INT 16 Idea 80 CON 12 APP 11 POW 12 Luck 60 SIZ 14 SAN 40 EDU 15 Know 75 Skills Archaeology 25% History 55% SCUBA 20% Climbing 60% Martial Arts 30% Music Theory 50% Art(Guitar) 20% Say the Wrong thing at the Wrong time 85% Other Language (French) 25% Other Language (Chinese) 35% Other Language (Latin) 15% Physical Description 6' 3", 200 lbs. Short brown hair, glasses. Always seems to be going somewhere purposefully, speaks like he knows what he's doing, and doesn't fake it on purpose. Has a tendency to scare little people with his height and silence, but it's not his fault, dammit. Situation Description More suited to Trad CoC, he has been a student for more years than he cares to talk about. He is currently studying Asian Studies at California State University in Long Beach, California, and is a year from getting his BA. Researches heresies in his spare time, as if he has any spare time. Has studied martial arts for the past five years, with a brown belt in Kempo, a green belt in Jujistu, and the basics in Wing Chun and Aikido. Has also studied Tai Ch'i. Is currently studying Jujitsu and Aikido. Roleplaying Notes Realizing a long time ago that most people don't get his jokes, he keeps telling them anyway. When asked dumb or obvious questions, will answer in the most ridiculous manner possible, while trying to maintain a straight face. Always kind of chipper and optimistic in a bleak and cynical way. Said to talk like a book. *sigh* Now all I need is to be insulted by MiB and then I'll really belong to the list. RCL _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 12:28 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Missile Blast On 21 September, 2000 AD, "Robert Thomas" reported the missile attack on MI6, which 007 will surely be asked to deal with: >Just not sure what to make of this one yet, MI6 was attacked by a >missile today more details here: > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_934000/934937.stm According to the above news report, "the missile shattered an 8th floor window on the southern side of the building". (I wonder whose office that was?) Probably bullet-resistant glass, but the missile was no bullet... Makes you wonder if they were just shooting at the building, or if they had that particular office (and its occupant) in mind? (I remember one of my instructors, back when I was still doing archery in the SCA, telling me, "Shoot for the gold (bullseye)! If you simply aim for the target, that's all you'll hit -- the target..."):) What kind of missile? There are a number on the market which could have done the job... Dragon comes to mind, or Javelin, or a simple SMAW, AT-4, or RPG-7! Most of these employ shaped-charge warheads, but the damage to the building doesn't seem heavy enough for an anti-armor missile. Other possibilities are the various varieties of shoulder-launched SAMS -- such as the Russian SA-7 Strella (GRAIL), the US Redeye and Stinger, or even the UK's own Blowpipe. Most of thse are by now in a variety of hands, by now (the SA-7 was a common Russian arms export, for example, and the Stinger was supplied to the Afghans by the CIA...), and it isn't at all far-fetched for your garden-variety terrorist group to get hold of a few... While they can be deadly if you're lucky, shoulder-launched AA missiles are not ideal for blasting buildings -- the warhead size is generally smaller than you would find in an equivalent antitank weapon, and is optimized for blast and fragmentation, rather than punching through things by Munro Effect. Since the warhead is intended to scatter shrapnel to tear up an airplane, it is proximity fuzed (though probably with an impact fuze to back it up, and a time fuze that is intended to blow up the missile if it misses the target, so you don't go dropping live warheads on your own troops...). > >Does this have that bouquet or what? I'm thinking someone in MI6 >found out about the shans in MI5 and the Shans took direct action. Probably the chap with the eighth-floor office on the south side... (I wonder if part of the shooters' intel was those alleged plans to the MI6 building?) Of course, if we're dealing with a traitor in MI5, the missile very well could have been a Blowpipe... (Although, if they had asked me, I would have recommended an SA-7, simply because it would be easier to implicate foreign terrorists for the act!) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com (who can probably provide URLs for data on much of the above ordnance, if anybody is really interested...):) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 2:34 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Missile Blast ----- Original Message ----- From: The Man in Black > > Just not sure what to make of this one yet, MI6 was attacked by a > > missile today more details here: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_934000/934937.stm > > FREE SUSSEX!! No more jokes about Boxing Glove bolts NOW, eh? The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Steve Dustin [yetiseti@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 2:52 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Dark Theatres? I just saw on Pagan's coming soon page at Wizard's Attic something called Delta Green: Dark Theatres (or something like that--memory, you know, terrible when you start losing it). Anyway, what's the scoop? Anybody want to enlight us? What's the ETA? Steve Dustin yetiseti@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 2:54 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The Spanish Civil War ----- Original Message ----- > "Archaeological and ethnographic findings indicate that Basque man evolved > from Cro-Magnon man in this area over a period dating from 40,000 yers ago > until distinct features were acquired approximately 7000 years ago." > > from students.washington.edu/buber/Basque/History/shorthist.html > > As for the language, it is an artifact from pre-Bronze Age Europe. Who > knows? It might be what they spoke in Atlantis. > I believe that it's not an Indo-European tongue, nor is it related to any other major language family; which seems to indicate that the Basques were a relict population, original inhabitants who were not overwhelmed by various waves of invaders. I have also heard that the Basques are genetically distinct from the Spanish (not in obvious ways, but it is shown in their blood group frequencies, etc) though many neighbouring "Spanish" people are genetically Basque but have changed their language. http://www.cogs.susx.ac.uk/users/larryt/basque.faqs.html As I mentioned before, the Basques were the unconscious template for Lovecraft's "Miri Nigri" or "Strange Dark Folk", who dwelt in the mountains of Spain & worshipped ill-defined Mythos entities. The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 3:00 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Menwith Hill Here is an amusing site, perhaps with DG relevance. Menwith Hill is one of those lots-of-giant-golf-ball places the Ordinance Survey maps leave tactfully blank. The locals, sick of this, are offering Hot Air Ballon flights across it . . . . www.menwithhill.com The Glove Cleaner From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Kindred [kindred@wizard.com] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 3:05 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Fun things to do to PCs with Live Ammo conspirators, a buddy of mine just sent this one to me: Wednesday September 20 8:12 AM ET Doctors Remove Live Grenade From Soldier MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian doctors have operated to remove a live grenade from the leg of a soldier wounded in Chechnya, the armed forces newspaper reported Wednesday. Doctors and nurses performed the surgery clad in body armor and helmets, and draped flak jackets over the patient, who was hit by a grenade-launcher round in a battle near the southern Chechen town of Urus Martan. The grenade did not explode, but was trapped, still live, in his right leg near the knee, according to accounts in the military's official newspaper, Krasnaya Zvezda (news - web sites) (Red Star). ``Military doctors had to de-mine Junior Sergeant Andrian Chebodayev,'' the paper said. The operation was carried out in an open field rather than inside a hospital, so that if the grenade blew up it would be less dangerous for the medical staff. ``We worked...in silence, understanding each other perfectly,'' surgeon Yuri Sikorsky told the newspaper. ``The de-mining experts warned us the grenade still had one live capsule, which could explode. Physically, the work was not difficult, but the moral responsibility was 100 times greater. We really wanted to save the guy.'' The surgeons removed the grenade and put it in a metal box for de-mining experts to defuse, the paper said. Kindred