From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 8:59 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Earth special? > > I thought the TT's were the offspring of the Miri Nigrii (raised up from > > prehistoric reptiles by Chaugnar Faughn) and those humans that the Miri > > Nigrii mated with? > > >Someone else is going to have to call that one. It doesn't change Nuge's >essential point. (I wasn;'t trying to put the squash on Nuge : ) I was just wondering if what I'd read about the TT's was wrong or not being used or whatever, or if I'd made a mistake) Even if the Tcho-Tcho's are geneically aberrent, there are >all sorts of depraved human cults whose members are 100% human - the >cultists in "The Call Of Cthulhu", for example, or the Mi-Go aiding sect in >"The Whisperer In Darkness". (Nods) yep! We do a very fine job of screwing ourselves over without having to screw anything else first, thank you. "Transcosmic Sex for Dummies" - coming soon to a bookstore near you. J. Edward _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of John Petherick [jpetheri@cyberbeach.net] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:02 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: RE: DG: Lethal Homebrew > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com [mailto:owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com]On > Behalf Of Snake Eyes > Sent: November 20, 2000 12:00 AM > To: dgrpg@delta-green.com > Subject: Re: DG: Lethal Homebrew > > > At 09:41 PM 11/19/00 +0000, JT wrote: > > >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20001118/wl/kenya_drinking_deaths.html > > > >And it killed 22 people and blinded another 80. Homebrew laced > with methanol > >which may have originated from a chemical plant. > > > >ObDG: SAPPHIRE anyone? How about a town of people poisoned by > homebrew, then > >resurrected a few hours later? > > This kind of stuff happens out in rural western Alaska all the > time. A lot > of the native villages are "dry" and some residents will try > drinking just > about anything that even remotely resembles (or smells like) > alcohol: cologne, paint thinner, copier fluid, antifreeze -- you name > it. I've been to a couple dry reserves here in Ontario, and to dry fly-in mining camps. Part of the reason for the dry camps is that the mines hire a significant portion of its workforce from the dry reserves. Personally, I've never been searched but they do it sometimes if there's a lot of contraband coming in. Of course, they're interested in more than alcohol if they come across it. Sometimes they search before the trip out but then they're looking for high-graders who've stolen gold. A more common problem here in Canada is gas-sniffing. A reserve or community can declare itself dry and have a reasonable expectation of keeping alcohol out. But it's impossible for a community to declare itself a "gasoline free" area. So there are gasoline pushers, most of whom sell pre-soaked rags with a plastic baggy for the convenience of their addicts. One band council has reached the point of proposing the forcible removal of all of their children, over the objections fo the parents. This has a great deal of cultural baggage in Canada where we're still dealing with the legacy of residential schools. Stories from the National Compost, the propaganda organ of Conrad Black and the Canadian Alliance party follow: http://www.nationalpost.com/search/story.html?f=/stories/20001120/376617.htm l http://www.nationalpost.com/search/story.html?f=/stories/20001118/375493.htm l Alcohol and solvent abuse in some native communities is so extensive and prolonged that brain damage is almost the norm, rather than the exception. Academics have estimated the incidence of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome on one Manitoba reserve to be 100 cases per 1000 people (10%) compared to the expected 1 case per 1000. Here's a review article that discusses the study http://www.cma.ca/cmaj/vol-157/issue-1/0059.htm ObDG: Forcible removal of children. Consumption of a substance that creates pliable, easily led humans. A plot of Nyarlothotep? The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:20 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Lethal Homebrew In a message dated 11/20/00 8:03:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, jpetheri@cyberbeach.net writes: << A more common problem here in Canada is gas-sniffing. A reserve or community can declare itself dry and have a reasonable expectation of keeping alcohol out. But it's impossible for a community to declare itself a "gasoline free" area. So there are gasoline pushers, most of whom sell pre-soaked rags with a plastic baggy for the convenience of their addicts. >> There is something darkly poetic about the numbers of poor people sniffing industrial glues and solvents and lubricants and fuels. Surely Whole Earth Enterprises is into glue sales in the Third World. Street children stagger and spasm clutching baby food jars full of shoe glue which surely sells in greater quantities than would be expected for making shoes locally. They huff to forget they are starving. Muckrakers film them and confront the American glue maker. They announce publicly how concerned they are about alleged abuses by foreign children who don't heed the label warnings and vow to change the formula to one that smells too vile to huff. The children huffing the new improved glue say they can't tell the difference and remain loyal to their brand. Meth labs have some dangerous substances in them, but the tell-tale for the really low end dealer in South Central is a smell of avgas at the curb. 'Sherms' are a Sherman cigarette dipped in aviation fuel and dried. It is passed off as PCP since Sherman cigarettes had similarly been laced with it and were called 'Mint.' Seduction of the Innocent: The Testor's Years Testor's claimed that they made their glue unhuffable long ago, circa '72 IIRC. I did all my model making in the 60s. I never consciously sniffed any Testor's, but I made all of the Aurora Universal Monsters, the entire US space program through Apollo 11, all the cooler planes of WWII, a collection of Big Daddy Roth 'Rat Fink' custom cars and the eldritch things I would make with X-Acto tools and more Testor's. I remember those boyhood hours under a bright light with airbrush and lacquer paint and plastic glue as happy timeless stretches of mindless Zen oneness with my hobby. My models had lots of wa. In the Navy, the Lifer's at-sea tipple of choice was Aqua Velva aftershave lotion, a tradition going back to WWII. Cooks huffed Pam. JP-4 and -5 (avgas and jet fuel) were easily available on a carrier, just walk under a wing with your TL-29 (Boy Scout knife) and tap one of the water condensation drains under the wing tanks. Also good for refilling a Zippo. Water is scarce at sea if you don't want salt. You have to boil seawater and collect the steam for all your freshwater needs. This results in some interesting conditions on the older carriers. First, all the water was tainted with jet fuel. They never gave a reason for it, but it was. In the 70s you would seldom see a sailor at sea drinking straight water. Work groups with their own lockable workspace would invest in pallets of soda and sell them for 1-2 dollars a can at sea (this was called a Coke Mess), and those were 70s dollars. Our skin was always dried-out from showering in polluted water and the fumes from the shower made smoking a bad idea. Due to the arcane plumbing and source the hot water tap gave you live superheated steam. All showers were hot hot showers, you turned on the icy tap of cold water all the way then cracked the hot tap as little as you could through a washcloth. With fresh water at a premium and salt in the air, corrosion was a constant concern. Planes had to be thoroughly washed down daily with fresh water to clean off the accumulated salt on metal surfaces. But they didn't have the water to do that. Instead, the Corrosion Control crew of each squadron (and what choice duty that was) would handwipe the entire plane with solvents. Hour after hour climbing into intakes with a soaked rag or a spraycan of solvent. ObDG: note for OUTLOOK field experiments, there are lots of ways to introduce chemicals into the system. More WEE endeavors. Dark poetry, the rejects of society getting high on the substances of a machine culture. Mark McFadden The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Nuge [jessthecatasc@ireland.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 5:03 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: Re: DG:  Earth special? The Glove Cleaner Wrote: >I hope you are right, I hope I am wrong, but I know what I think is the more >likely. I don't. I'm happy in the uncoordinated bag of skin and brittle bones that Alan Moore so delicately described in The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, and have no intention of evolving. I had the greatest lecturer last year, a Mr. Kelly, who had such wonderful disdain for young people, that I can't help not wanting to evolve. Anyway, my logic for this overall deduction is lacking in Lovecraftianism, true, but Lovecraft is not the be-all and end-all of the Mythos. If you take the ultimate extremes of the Mythos, it predates him by 50 years (Poe, Machen, HG Wells), and has long since survived him. It has been infected by the banality of Cliche (oh look, another alien race that has some evil use for mankind but is inadertantly saved by the dashing hero and his tight-sweatered assisstant...thank you Mssrs Lumley & Derleth). However, DG is not just a 90's setting, its about a complex and mature realisation of the Mythos - not just Icky slimy horror, its scientific, social, political reanalysis. As I once said to a major goth who thought Vampire was the greatest game ever (so anal retentive he once had a 45 minute argument over the rules with the GM of a larp because he wouldn't let him be invisible and have infinite ammo at the same time) that World of Darkness is an Adult game - but Delta Green is a game for Adults. On that logic, mankind's terrible growth might have a purpose. As for Lovecraft himself, well he didn't drink, smoke, watch movies, get on well with women, or anything remotely …fun. Apart from writing stories and correspondence, he did bugger all (hence a 4 person turnout at his funeral). I find that if Delta-Green was ultimately Lovecraftian, we wouldn't have the Skoptski (sex is bad), the GRU-SV8, PISCES, MJ-12, or Delta-Green, since humans are too dumb/corrupt/ignorant to do anything about the Mythos (Yes, yes, I know, Shadow Over Innsmouth - but even DG says that was not organised as a paranormal-busting affair), no guns, no characters other than bookworms and fainting dilitantes, and say goodbye to any female character that wasn't evil or a sex-changing possessee (and that's just from the 3 HP Lovecraft Omnibuses I've ever been able to acquire). We need obviously to depart from Lovecraft to a degree, since the times have changed and Lovecraft, in all his genius, was sometimes a fairly awful writer, and definitely lacked a perspective of the more human aspects of life. Anyway, "Through the gate of The Silver Key" was more psychadelic than horror, and that's a Randolf Carter story, and what I base my logic on. We are now 4 sides, but we understand 5, soon six, and finally all. The Nuge -Wondering that if Alphonse was made into a happy meal, who then is running this great conspiratorial McDonalds? _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Julian Breen [jules@bigjules.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 5:43 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Legal question May not get time to do a web search on this so any help would be much appreciated. One of my PCs has been arrested for drink driving. Crashed his car injuring both himself and his passenger but they have both only suffered minor injuries. No previous convictions. He was 3 times over the legal limit in allowed alcohol (do you guys even _have_ a limit over there or is it illegal to drink any amount of booze and then drive?). Accident happened in Massachusetts FWIW. Any ideas on likely outcome? Thanks, -- Julian The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Nuge [jessthecatasc@ireland.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 5:53 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Ireland & England I have mentioned that i'm working on DG's Irish equiv. Well, here's a portent: This morning, Thursday 5th October, 2000, a number of searches are being conducted simultaneously in 12 locations in Ennis, Limerick, Raheen, Sixmilebridge and Shannon. These searches are being conducted under the Forgery Act, 1913. This operation is being investigated as part of a Mutual Assistance request from the United States Authorities. The request relates to the alleged sale of counterfeit aircraft parts to aircraft maintenance and repair facilities. In total 150 Gardaí are involved in the operation which could last for a number of weeks. These Gardaí are drawn from the Southern Region, the Garda Bureau of Fraud Investigation, National Bureau of Criminal Investigation, Air Support Unit and the Technical Bureau." Garda press release, 5th Oct 2000. http://www.irlgov.ie/garda/news/default.htm Plus: I came across a site for Channel 4's tragically short lived Vampire series UltraViolet. I recommend it, both as a show, and to give a few ideas for PISCES scenarios and settings: http://members.nbci.com/LBroadley/uvmain.htm The Nuge aka. OUTLOOK MAN _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Julian Breen [jules@bigjules.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 6:16 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Lethal Homebrew > > There is something darkly poetic about the numbers of poor people sniffing >industrial glues and solvents and lubricants and fuels. Surely Whole Earth >Enterprises O.K. Which other Brits on this list think that WEE stinks..? Should of called it Future Earth Enterprises or something. Much more apt. -- Julian The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Crossingham, Adam [Adam.Crossingham@markelintl.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 6:26 AM To: 'dgrpg@delta-green.com' Subject: RE: DG: Lethal Homebrew Julian Breen writes: > O.K. Which other Brits on this list think that WEE stinks..? I had never thought about it before now, but now you've pointed it out, WEE is a pretty pissy acronym.... The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Julian Breen [jules@bigjules.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 6:50 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: Oak Island (was Re: DG: Pagan's take on the Grail) Gil Trevizo writes > >There have been several projects to unearth the Oak Island mystery, all of >them failures and some of them marked by fatalities. Among those seeking >treasure on Oak Island was Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who participated in a >failed excavation in his youth and was interested in Oak Island all his >life. Not that automatically much should be made of this, as FDR dabbled >in all kinds of weird shit, but hey, the guy was Assistant Secretary of the >Navy and all chummy with the ONI when P Div was created in 1917 and of >course he presided over DG in wartime. Could make for a connection. > Also, of fun interest is the current excavation company, ~Triton~ Alliance Ltd, that owns the island. Could well have fishy tie-ins with Y'ha-Nthlei denizens? In any case, a Whole Earth Enterprises subsidiary no doubt. -- Julian jules@bigjules.demon.co.uk The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of John Stanley [JohnS@CENTROMINE.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 7:06 AM To: 'dgrpg@delta-green.com' Subject: DG: RE: Legal question >>He was 3 times over the legal limit in allowed alcohol As far as I know the new legal limit is .08%. >>Any ideas on likely outcome? With the amount of publicity drunk driving has been getting in our country, he will surely be convicted. He probably wont do any time but will more than likely have his license suspended. I dont know the specific laws in Mass. Side Note: My local news just ran a story of a man who has just gotten his ninth DUI. He has never served time for any of them. John The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 7:05 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: [EH] Arianna Agency Template Agency Name : Arianna Symbol: A blue-white shield decorated with the crests of all armed forces and the motto "In umbra.... pugnabimus" (In shadows.... we'll fight) Date Founded: somewhere in '98/'99 Mission When Founded: secret, "black op"-style multiforce unit inside the regular Law Enforcement and Military Divisions of the Italian Republic, pursuing the hard line against Drug cartels outside of national regulations Mission Today: see following discussion. Annual Budget: 22 billions Lire (about 1 Million US$) Number of Operatives: unknown; 70 currently being investigated. Headquarters: none fixed, a provisional coordination center in Latina History/Profile/Structure The brainchild of Lt. Luciano Ridolfi, "Ariana" is a web-like, cell-based organization, made up of members of different Armed Forces and Law Enforcement agencies, recruited by Ridolfi himself and his friends, sifting through the 'friendly milieu' and singling out of likely-minded individuals. "Arianna" is organized in three regional sections (North, Center, South) - this reflecting the territorial division of most Italian Forces and Agencies - with "Capisezione di Coordinamento" (Coordinating Heads of Section) for each Force. A number of "Sale Operative" (Operation Rooms) scattered throughout the National Territory are under the direct control of a "Vicecaposezione" (Sub-Head of Section), with training facilities and "Cellule di Risposta" (Response Cells) depending from them. Response Cells are formed by an unknown number of Arianna agents, with the purpose of bringing the Arianna presence to the most basic level, the organization finally having a man in every base, command, unit of both the Armed Forces and law Enforcement agencies. Like the old Steve Jackson Illuminati T-shirt read, "Someone you trust is one of us" - that was the idea. The final purpose of the organization is to spy upon Force or Agency members, both following official investigation to 'step in' should the weak Italian legal system allow a way of escape to the guilty, and collecting evidence of corruption or connivance in the Italian administration. It is not clear how Arianna men would deal with corrupted military or police officers, but the resolution would likely be "outside of official channels" --------------------------------------------------- OK, now file this under "Stranger than Fiction". Lt. Ridolfi (a name that rings quite a bell in my Elizabethan-crowded brain) was nailed a few days back with 70 prospect "recruits". The charge - the setting up of a secret organization operating against and outside the Italian Law. Ridolfi - 35 years old, described as a "man of action" and "ambitious" - apparently decided a while back that law enforcement was too weak in Italy, and dreamed up the project for Arianna in order to set things straight. He drew the organization chart, recruited a number of collaborators, started taking names. He collected a number of CVs, for positions ranging from agency driver to individuals willing to "crack a few heads". He even presented the whole thing to a Drug Enforcement Division head in Latina and here is where the thing gets really interesting. So far Ridolfi is just a jackbooted wimp dreaming of becoming like Alphonse, but when he gets in touch with doctor Flavio D'Achille, Italian State Police, the man - instead of arresting him immediately (the right thing to do) or to simply tell him to take two Prozacs and go back to sleep (the sensible thing to do) - suggests to Ridolfi he should find some "Political Connection" to bring his project to full development. In other words, find a party - or a single politico - willing to cough up the 1 Million bucks necessary to finance 1 year of operation, "tie indemnities" included (a "tie indemnity" is the money paid to friendlies for jobs done on behalf of the Secret Services). Arianna would then become a privately-owned secret service, spying on members of the Italian defence and law enforcement. And with built-in strike-force functions. Scary. Did Ridolfi find a man or group willing to pay? That is currently unknown. Being a fool, he started making waves and was nailed, bringing down 70 other persons (most members of the State Police, plus a number of hopefuls from the large cohorts of Italian unemployment). At the moment the government is trying to minimize the scandal - Ridolfi & Co. are portrayed as something out of a comedy movie, and chances are they'll get grilled and finally let off the hook. The political side of the Arianna caper is likely to last longer than the legal process, as political forces are obviously trying to turn the thing to their advantage - already the right wing has pointed out that the fact that a number of cops and soldiers decided to take the law in their hands is the demonstration that the current administration has failed to satisfy the Italian people's need for legality. What _everyone_ is trying its best to do is distract the public from the fact that a private secret service can be set up in our country with a minimum of fuss, quickly and for cheap. There's even Police Chiefs willing to point you to a likely patron. And nowhere's written that the Ridolfi Plot was not successful, a buyer was indeed found, and a number of decoys were simply thrown in the open to help Arianna operational sister to get deeper underground. And with this, I close the current report. Till further notice. Cheers Davide Mana Torino, Italy [ps: a note to web-searchers for relevant articles. Avoid "Arianna" as a subject - that's the name of an Italian search engine, you'll get bogged down by useless URLs. Try with Ridolfi (ignoring Elizabethan references) and D'Achille] The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of SuperDave [chaucerwatch23@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 7:45 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: CfB2K:Chapter3: World's End Thank you, Gregory! Things are getting...well, I'm not really sure where they're getting to, but I'm enjoying the ride. Right! Next up is Nick "Stabernide" Brownlow. For those who may not have read it, Nick has a D-lightful DG story here: http://www.delta-green.com/opint/case_histories/ch_ADG.SN-0118.html Check it out while we wait impatiently for him to write his chapter. Due out November 27 (Japan time). ===== Dave Challenge from Beyond 2000 www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/robin.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Eddy Roberts [eddyroberts1@home.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 10:07 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: RE: Legal question Well, If he's a US Senator in Mass, nothing will happen what so ever!!! sorry (crass political-joke) John Stanley wrote: > >>He was 3 times over the legal limit in allowed alcohol > > As far as I know the new legal limit is .08%. > > >>Any ideas on likely outcome? > > With the amount of publicity drunk driving has been getting in our country, > he will surely be convicted. He probably wont do any time but will more than > likely have his license suspended. I dont know the specific laws in Mass. > > Side Note: > > My local news just ran a story of a man who has just gotten his ninth DUI. > He has never served time for any of them. > > John > > The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ -- "Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that if these Democratic vote shenanigans were going on in Bolivia, the U.S. Government would condemn it?" -R. Limbaugh- *********************************************** Eddy Roberts eddyroberts1@home.com ICQ #64473713 *********************************************** The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Charles Ripper [yeroshka7@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 10:10 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Arabic, Chinese, Kikuyu, etc Speakers >From: "Hans-Christian Vortisch" >Any East African language, preferably Swahili We got yer Swahili here: >Mountain of the Black Wind Upepo Mweuesi wa Mlima >Cult of the Bloody Tongue Damu Hufunika Ulimi ya Ibada Just to let you know, I have never formally studied Swahili, and I'm sure a native speaker would laugh at what I've done, but I'm fairly certain they would understand what I meant. Ch.R _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Diego Garcia [dgarcia@ta.telecom.com.ar] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 11:05 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Roboagent! >Obviously, we need to buy one of those $131,000 robots for every cell. They >work in water, y'see, so we can send them in to scout out Deep One bases. >And I like the way they mention that the bot's 12-gauge shotgun is used >`mostly' for blowing doors off. Personally, I'd upgrade that to a belt-fed >10-gauge right away... Another interesting addition for every cell would be the new developemnt for which the DARPA is soliciting research proposals :The EHPA ( EXOSKELETONS FOR HUMAN PERFORMANCE AUGMENTATION) http://www.darpa.mil/baa/baa00-34.htm http://www.sainc.com/DARPA/EHPA/ On the other hand, some people that have been watching too much anime, wants to build an anime-style Mecha. http://www.mechaps.com/ They could be some interesting DG-Friendlies, if Majestic manages to get de EHPA first than DG. :-) GOOd Luck Diego Garcia After all, if you can't trust your own memories, what you can trust? The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 12:01 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Challenge page updated Greetings. Greg's Chapter Three is up on the Challenge page (which is part of the cave, but let's not get into that). To get there directly, as usual... http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/robin.htm We reached 100 hits in about twenty days. Let's call it a great underground success.... It's still a long way to go. Davide Mana The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Julian Breen [jules@bigjules.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 12:49 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Acronyms (was Re: Lethal Homebrew) Adam writes: >> O.K. Which other Brits on this list think that WEE stinks..? > >I had never thought about it before now, but now you've pointed it out, WEE >is a pretty pissy acronym.... > Something lost in the translation across the Atlantic I fear. :) If it had been named "Pure Earth Enterprises" the problem would be more apparent... -- Julian The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of m. caudron [a_alphaman@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:34 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Legal question The sentance one would receive would depend on the circumstances of the offence. eg. did he just wreak his car or was there other property involved, was he driving down the wrong lane of traffic or did he almost run someone over, does he have a previous criminal record. If its an instance where he just left a bar got into his car and was stopped shortly after by the police and he has no previous criminal record, I see a fine with a driving prohibition. Some states may have an automatic licence suspension (licence suspended without conviction) I am not familiar with Ma laws. You would have to research the matter further for Ma laws. --- Julian Breen wrote: > May not get time to do a web search on this so any > help would be much > appreciated. > > One of my PCs has been arrested for drink driving. > Crashed his car > injuring both himself and his passenger but they > have both only suffered > minor injuries. No previous convictions. > > He was 3 times over the legal limit in allowed > alcohol (do you guys even > _have_ a limit over there or is it illegal to drink > any amount of booze > and then drive?). Accident happened in Massachusetts > FWIW. > > Any ideas on likely outcome? > > > > Thanks, > -- > Julian > > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 2:59 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Earth special? ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Earth's situation has much in common with Shroedinger's Cat, locked in a box > with the GOOs. Until it's opened for the perusal of the perfect platonic > ur-observer the situation hasn't been determined yet. We're dead/alive, > triumphantly doomed, a dessert topping *and* a floor wax, either/or/and/but. > And those are just the binary states. > > Every prophecy "is" a self-fulfilling prophecy. Peace, brother-in-arms: "I tell you naught for your comfort, Yea, naught for your desire, Save that the sky grows darker yet And the sea rises higher. "Night shall be thrice night over you, And heaven an iron cope. Do you have joy without a cause, Yea, faith without a hope?" I do believe. I do have joy, and faith. I like the taste of ashes, is all. Don't mistake that for a posture of surrender. And thanks. The Glove Cleaner The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 2:53 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: A Farewell To The Master ----- Original Message ----- From: > graemep@immagene.MCG.EDU writes: > > << I have only one thing to say to this thread: > > Klaatu Barada Nictu. > Um. The story "A Farewell to the Master" included one final bit that did not make it into the film. It went like this. "Gort," he said earnestly, holding carefully the limp body in his arms, "you must do one thing for me. Listen carefully. I want you to tell your master---the master yet to come---that what happened to the first Klaatu was an accident, for which all Earth is immeasurably sorry. Will you do that?" "I have known it," the robot answered gently. "But will you promise to tell your master---just those words ---as soon as he is arrived?" "You misunderstand," said Gort, still gently, and quietly spoke four more words. As Cliff heard them a mist passed over his eyes and his body went numb. As he recovered and his eyes came back to focus he saw the great ship disappear. It just suddenly was not there anymore. He fell back a step or two. In his ears, like great bells, rang Gort's last words. Never, never was he to disclose them till the day he came to die. "You misunderstand," the mighty robot had said. "I am the master." THE END I assume everyone knew that? Did everyone know that? The Glove Cleaner The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of box_nine@ix.netcom.com Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 3:28 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Earth Special? In response to the Nuge: 1) Lovecraft did watch movies, as noted in his letters. In fact, there's at least one anecdote about him being the life of a particular party, though the person telling the anecdote claims she was told it was due to spiking HPL's drink. How humorless can a man who runs to a church organ to play "Yes, We Have No Bananas" be, though? He also traveled extensively. 2) It's possible to be true to the themes of Lovecraft's fiction without slavishly imitating his prose style and narrative structures. And Delta Green derives from the government raid on Innsmouth in "The Shadow Over Innsmouth." 3) To avoid another recapitulation of previous arguments, it's possible for there to be no hope, but the characters to act as though there were (which I have no problems with). Steven The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Charles Ripper [yeroshka7@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 3:35 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG:pre-history of the Tcho-tcho(part 1) (long) These are some preliminary findings in my research into the real history of the Tcho-tcho and related tribes in Central and Southeast Asia. I hope you forgive me if you find them rough. Let me begin by taking on the idea of reptilian descent. The appropriate remark for this is: "In the beginnings of time, Chaugnar Faugn made a race of beings to serve it, the Miri Nigri, a race of dark dwarfs fashioned fromt he flesh of primitive amphibians. The Tcho-tcho are said to have intermingled with the descendants of that hybrid race." p49, Curse of Chaugnar Faugn, from the Curse of the Cthonians, 1984. This is a typical origin myth, no matter where it is found. You have a god that creates a special race, imbued with a magical nature (see the parallel of elves and dwarves in Norse mythology, fairy folk, etc), that mates with and breeds the tribe of followers. The most familiar parallel for this in the West is the Eden story. You have the Adamic tribes, represented by his 'sons' Cain and Seth, who go down among the western tribes to find wives and children. The descendents of these marriages become the 'Chosen People,' special to their god. The fact that this quote is based on an earlier extant story ('The Horror in the Hills,' Frank Belknap Long) and the phrasing "The Tcho-tchos are said to have..." hint that this might be a later addition to the mythical corpus, and was pobably used to legitmize the rule of a Chaugnar Faugn-worshipping king. A later addition to the mythical history of the Tcho-tchos comes from Scott Glancy. The relevant quote is: "They are the Tcho-tchos, a vile, homeless race, perhaps tainted down to their DNA by their long history of cannibalism and worship of the Cthulhu Mythos. No one is sure where they originated. As early as 128 BC, history records a Central Asian tribe known to the Greeks as the Tochoa and to the Chinese as the Yueh-chih. The Tochoans ruled an area encompassing Afghanistan and the southern regions of what is now the former Soviet central-Asian republics until the 3rd century AD, when they were forced east by the Sassanid Persians.... Today they are found mostly in communist-controlled areas of Asia. The Indochinese wars of the 1950s, '60s and '70s, as well as the Red Chinese Cultural Revolution and pogroms in Tibet, have caused a further diaspora of this vile group." p143, Delta Green: Countdown, 1999. This is more relevant to the actual history of the Tcho-tcho. First, this traces them in the actaul histories of different countries, and provides a verifiable theory as to their origis. It is also geographically much more likely. Chaugnar Faugn is associated with the Pyrennes, which is at the other end of Eurasian continent, several thousand miles away, with many intervening cultures. What is important now is to see how relevant the connection with the Tochoa is. In 221 BC, when the Emperor Qin Shihuangdi established the first Empire in China, one of his first orders was the extention and defense of a series of walls in north China which were transformed into the Great Wall. The Wall was designed as a defense against the nomads of the Mongolian steppes, who regularly raided the Chinese cities to supplement their traditional herding culture. As these tribes used up the grazing lands, and they could not raid the Chinese, they were forced to migrate to other lands. In India, around the same time, they were experiencing the end of an empire. After the death of Ashoka, Emperor of the Mauryan dynasty, in 239 BC, the sub-continent fell into disunity and the power of regional princes began to rise. Their power was gone even by the time of the death of the final Mauryan emperor, Pushyamitra, in 180 BC. This disintegration of central rule gave the people of Central Asia a chance to raid and even settle in the sub-continent. One of the tribes that settled in northwest India was the Saka tribe, known to the Greek historians as the Scythians. By 128 BC, they had been forced out of their lands around the Aral Sea by the nomads tribes forced out of the Mongolian steppe by the Great Wall. In the following century, they were followed by the tribe that pushed them out of the Aral area, the tribe of the Yueh-Chih (pinyin Yuezhi). It is here in the area known today as Peshawar in modern Pakistan that the Yuezhi settled and became kings. They were known as the Kushans by then, and though they effectively reigned for about a century, what was done under their rule affects the world to this day. Not much is actually known about the Kushan kingdom. The Tochoa ruled over a mixed group of peoples, representing Indians, Sakas and even Greeks (remnants of Alexander's colonies). The beginning and end dates are fuzzy, and the names of the kings are uncertain. It is thought that it came to its greatest glory under Kanishka, who ascended the throne in 78 AD. The empire lasted until the rise of the Sassanid Persians in the west, who swept across the Iranian plains and deposed and already weak Kushan king. How do these Kushan people compare to what we know about the Tcho-tcho? Well, one of the most important occurances in the Kushan kingdom was the widespread acceptance of Buddhism. It is thought that Kanishka called the Fourth Buddhist Council, which mediated disputes on doctrine among the Buddhist schools, and most importantly decided that Buddhist scripture would be written in Sanskrit. Buddhism was apparently widespread among the Kushan. One of their greatest contributions to Buddhism was their use of the human figure to depict the Buddha. In previous Indian Buddhist art, there was a taboo on the image of the Buddha. He was shown only by a symbol, such as an empty throne, or footsteps. The Kushan art, probably influenced by Greek scuplture and artisans, began to depict the Buddha as a stylized human figure, and this formed the basis for all depictions of the Buddha and bodhisattva down to this day. The Tcho-tcho, on the other hand, worship gods of the Cthulhu Mythos, and had ritual cannibalism. There are no real traces of either in the admittedly scanty records of the Kushan kingdom. Another problem is that of geography. Modern Tcho-tcho are found among hill tribes of southeast Asia and the island of Malaysia. The Kushan kingdom was based in northwest India and Pakistan, and had easier escape back into the Central Asian plains. There should also be traces of the population across the Indian sub-continent, but none have been found in my preliminary enquiries. The most damning, though, is simply the question of race. Modern Tcho-tcho are definitely among the Mongoloid/Asian physiotype, with the distinctive eye folds and short stature of the eastern type. The Kushans, or Tochoa, were described by eyewitnesses as tall, red or blond haired and pale skinned. Archaeological examination of the area shows a large number of people with Caucasoid features, and there are tomb paintings and sculpture that depict distinctively sharp-nosed, blond-haired people ruling in Central Asia. Modern archaeologiast are now identifying them with the Tochoa. Where does that leave the search for the Tcho-tcho? 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FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 8:57 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Acronyms (was Re: Lethal Homebrew) In a message dated 11/21/00 10:55:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, jules@bigjules.demon.co.uk writes: << Something lost in the translation across the Atlantic I fear. :) If it had been named "Pure Earth Enterprises" the problem would be more apparent... >> Or: Peaceful International Synergistic Solutions Pan-global Optimization Organization Foreign Affiliate Research Testing and Trilateral Association of International Natural Technologies Mark McFadden The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 8:57 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: [EH] Arianna Agency Template In a message dated 11/21/00 5:10:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, doctor.dee@libero.it writes: << Agency Name : Arianna Symbol: A blue-white shield decorated with the crests of all armed forces and the motto "In umbra.... pugnabimus" (In shadows.... we'll fight) Date Founded: somewhere in '98/'99 >> Very nice. Who needs fiction when we have newspapers? Arianna has the same feel as the "Operation VampireKiller2000(tm)" pamphlet I saw a few years ago. Somewhere between a Lyndon LaRouche jeremiad and comic book based on "The Turner Diaries" with the anti-Semitism disguised as concerns about the New World Order. "Operation VampireKiller2000" not only had a bombastic name, but it had the usual prolific Victorian Capitalizations and breathless use of exclamation points! Trilateral Commission, check. New World Order, check. Bilderbergers, check. Rothchilds, check. 29 Palms NWO survey, check. Black helicopters and UN occupation forces, check. Luckily, there is *already* a well-organized and financed conspiracy of true hum...uh, *Americans* within American law enforcement who are dedicated to resisting the New World Order from the shadows. Inspired by van Helsing & Co., they have dubbed themselves 'Operation VampireKiller2000' to really really strain the dubious parallels and lend that 'trying too hard' ambiance that is a trademark of the NWO warning genre. I was given the pamphlet by a previous neighbor. The one who mopped his sidewalk and had his lawn trimmed to the foliage equivalent of a Boot Camp haircut. He was a cop groupie, watched all the crime reenactment shows and ran his house with an iron hand. Gave his kid a toy lawnmower for Christmas, can't start 'em too early on front yard territoriality and anal compulsion. His house had been burglarized twice before we moved in and he had responded with security systems and signs warning of them. Lit up his compound at night with security lights and restocked his armory. So he got burglarized again and they took that arsenal too. He was showing the strain, frantic for those few days when all that stood between his family and the encroaching chaos was his car gun. Imagine my bemusement when he caught me doing yardwork and started making buddy overtures. I think my habit of displaying the flag at random intervals, sometimes at half-mast, sometimes upside-down struck a chord he thought he recognized. He felt we were on the same wavelength. I didn't explain to him that my flag display is my own little performance art piece. I enjoy broadcasting ambiguous signals and watching reactions. I figure since I didn't invite anyone to my front door, they can damn well make themselves useful by being subjects for my experiments while they are annoying me. So I made him comfortable by telling him about my 8 year hitch with the First Earth Battalion practicing Aikido and Dorsai tactics in preparation for clandestine first response against international terrorism and incipient brushfire wars. What later became Delta Force. I had been an electronic warfare and psyops specialist, but I got out when it became obvious that they were becoming a tool of the UN. Wink. You cannot get too outre with these guys, they won't challenge your assertions so you won't challenge theirs. Soon we were doing the 'King of the Hill' thing, standing out in the front yard sipping beer and overseeing the neighborhood. He didn't trust those Samoans up the street or those Koreans across it. I said I didn't trust those Canadians across the street. Trying to pass themselves off as Americans, I wonder how many actually have green cards? They run Hollywood you know. Always so polite you know they're up to something. If you are seeing some redneck in your mind's eye, readjust the picture. Much of my bemusement came from his being what I call 'assimilated Hispanic.' Watches NFL football and disdains soccer. Doesn't speak Spanish; although he does, he was raised with it. A Gingrich Republican who thinks Pat Buchanan has some good ideas. Well, since I was obviously such a patriotic guy who knew what's what, I'd certainly be interested in 'Operation VampireKiller2000,' a little something some of his law enforcement buddies (wink, nod) had given him. He was like >