From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 5:12 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Looking for Suggestions Greetings. Excellent setup and good suggestions. I like the idea of a virus that induces "terminal post coital depression" In particular, EdDrWho wrote >>In particular, they are trying to implement a >> > new >> > assassination tool from the cookbook - a suicide virus. > > >Perhaps the woman who was murdered by her ex-boyfriend was sexually >promiscous; she could have spread the virus to any number of people before he >killed her. A chance fo good detective work, if ought else. Indeed. Also, I'd keep only _one_ of the workplace accidents as a red herring. The other guy was simply thinking about his current sentimental situation in the wrong moment, and distraction was the death of him. Workplace colleagues might attest that he had been "behaving funny" in the last few days. Maybe trouble with his wife (who found out about him sleeping around and kicked him out). Of course he had _no connection at all_ with the doctor. Just my two cents. Davide Mana Torino, Italy The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Nuge [jessthecatasc@ireland.com] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 7:28 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: Re: DG: Re: Earth special?+ PUN ALERT Someone wrote: >From: The Nuge > 2: I refuse to evolve. As an Irishman, my job is to drink, shag, eat, sing and fight. >Hence the source of Deep One problems in the Irish Sea. The aforementioned >Irish tendency to DRINK and SHAG, Too much drink means "sleeping with the >fishes" in an entirely different context. Don't mistake the Irish Sea with the Channel. Theres this tiny piece of rock in the way called mainland Britain. As for the Deep Ones in the Irish Sea, NOT ANY MORE. It is the most pulluted stretch of water in the world. Thanks to Sellafield, there was an outbreak of child Luekemia in Dundalk (40 miles north of Dublin) a few years back (or perhaps it wasn't Sellafield, but Shub Niggurath's milk?) If the Deep Ones were in the Irish sea, they aren't any more. And its unlikely they would be there, since the proximity of Dublin and Holyhead would mean they got out long ago. Unless you're saying that the British rule in the 1400's was inbreeding with Deep Ones, the West Brits would have culled the Deep Ones before the industrial age. Much more likely is in the Atlantic. The Formor, the ancient demon people, whose name roughly translates as "Under-sea inhabitors", were supposed to be based in Sligo. Sligo is a reasonably large town (but claims it's a city) in the north west, surrounded by rock, rock, and rocky bog. There is no sun in the sky, only grey overcast and night. Sligo has an unproportionate supply of Goths, and Westlife was spawned there. Sligo is a strange and horrible place, a definite contender to the true location of the Hellmouth (only beaten by Paris, for its wickedness, LA for its shallowness, NY for its Myriad faces, or Navan , for its inhabitants downright miserableness... to quote Tommy Tiernan, a Navan man who got out and now hosts a BBC comedy show- "Arts Festival? Arts Festival? Haven't we got a fuckin' shoppin' Centre?!?", or "we don't have a drugs problem in Navan - we have a drugs solution"). However, another consideration: When the Tutha De Dannan (Serpeant People, since they are "the little people" and the Tutha De Dannan are thefairys) arrived, they purged the Formor; they killed their warriors and exterminated their line. The Deep Ones don't have a presence on land - more likely, any hybrids in Ireland are half-serpeant person. - The Nuge _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Juergen Hubert [snjuhube@pop.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 7:48 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Grist for the Canadian Mill.... WAS: Looking for Suggestions SpasticLemur@aol.com wrote: > > Speaking of Canada > > _____________________________________________________________________ > Canadians Looking South to Meet Sperm Demand [snip] Wonder who - or what - will rush to meet that demand. Deep Ones would propably prefer to do it the "natural" way, though if some elders were seriously worried about the future of the species... And the Mi-Go, in their disguise as the Greys, have also done a few experiments with human pregnancies. And isn't "Mother's Milk" supposed to look somewhat sperm-like? - Juergen Hubert The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Nuge [jessthecatasc@ireland.com] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 7:58 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Alcoholic Irishman's rant (was Re: Earth special?+ PUN ALERT) Keepers Eyes Only >Hee hee hee - but jokes apart: there were the For Mor (sp?) of ancient Irish >myh, who are always called "sea demons" -  they've been mentioned before - >and the Celtic fringe of  Europe has always been the place where legends of >strange undersea lands  (Ys, Avalon)  and strange undersea people  (kelpies, >keksies, mermaids) are frequent. >So there might be something in what you say. >    The Glove Cleaner As i mentioned in the previous post, the Deep Ones ain't operating here no more. the Formor were never benevolent, helpful, or loved - they were cruel, evil, spiteful creatures who harvested noses and ate children, and didn't fight tied together (yes, the Irish did that - would explain why we alone amongst the European nations have NEVER possessed an empire). The Tutha De Dannan purged them. Balor of the Evil Eye was the Formor Lord, whose daughter was married to a king of the pre-Tutha De Dannan people (from Africa, supposedily...). She was cut into very small pieces and fed to birds, so you can imagine what happened to the rest of the Deep Ones. No, more likely are the Serpent People, who are the fairies. Also of note are: 1: Banshees: Faceless, pure white, harbingers of Death with a strange whistling scream - Albino Nightgaunts, or just Nightgaunts reflecting light? 2: The Puca: Ghost Dog the size of a horse, who is a harbinger of Death. Very rare, very bad. Tindlosi Hound, anyone? 3: In Co. Kerry is Carrigfoyle castle. Now, there's no specific legends about it, but my grandfather (a veeeery wiley man) was telling me once that in the 1970's, around october/november, a friend of his was on a night walk, and decided to walk up the castle. It is about 100 ft tall, completely intact save one side which was destroyed by cannon. The middle (wooden) floors are gone, but the roof, made of stone is still intact. Remember now that Kerry is in the path of the Gulf stream, thus they get very mild weather. Anyway, the view from the top is excellent, so he decided to walk to the top. Half way up, he suddenly and inexplicably stopped and went straight back down. This was a huge farm hand, nothing scared him; he said that he felt "an immense sense of evil" and that he had ran scared. Carrigfoyle is on the banks of the Shannon, in a reasonably low area. Lloigor, perhaps? Another ancient Irish point: Whiskey in Gaelige (Irish) is Uisce Beatha - trans directly means "The water of life". The celts used to get drunk in battle ("magic potion", a la Asterix and the Normans). And alcohol was not very pleasant to the inhabitant of the Dal'Negors'k sphere. what my limited research has turned up: Alcohol So many warnings tell you not to drink -- but do they really tell you why? Alcohol affects the body and mind in many different ways. When someone drinks a lot, you can actually see changes in him or her. Why? In your brain lies the cerebral cortex, which controls your use of reason and judgment. The nerves in these parts of the brain talk to each other by using impulses that travel through neurotransmitters. One of the most common neurotransmitters, gamma-aminobutyl acid (GABA) is inhibited when someone drinks alcohol. What this really means is that your brain cannot think as fast. And if this happens, someone could do things that they normally do not do because the alcohol affects the brain's logical thinking. Alcohol acts like a sedative, which means you feel soothing and relaxing effects. This could make someone feel more relaxed, and end up making fools of themselves and doing things that they later regret. Alcohol blocks the messages going to your brain, and alters your perceptions and emotions, vision, hearing, and coordination. Alcoholism is a disease -- just like diabetes or high blood pressure. But having the disease is nothing to be ashamed of. Many people have admitted they are alcoholics and are getting help through Alcoholics Anonymous. Viz: Alcohol inhibits mental communication. Since the Shan don't possess a body, they coerce a body (technically), when the body is so tanked up, they just can't get through. Second, i once heard that Alcohol "oils" the connections between the higher and lower brain. perhaps, this affects the Shans ability to stay in the human body? Dex V number of pints consumed to actually stay in the body? Third, perhaps shans get pissed. They like human emotions, perhaps they get sympathetically drunk? I'll put more on this up later - have a class to go to. _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jon Capps [narlymon@ioa.com] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 8:37 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: RE: DG: Looking for Suggestions > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com [mailto:owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com]On > Behalf Of Marc J Cassell > > Also it would be interesting if one of the infected subjects > that had lived to long was found in a dark warehouse > With and advanced case of Jaundice. > > Any one who has had or studied Jaundice > knows that the person's skin turns Yellow. > > Throw some underlying patterns into the skin > that look almost like an odd sigil. Quick clarification: Someone _is_ jaundice, not _has_ jaundice. You make jaundice sound like a disease. It's really more like a condition or symptom, indicating Something's Wrong. In all my past experience it was caused by having too much bilirubin (which is yellow/brown) in the system, and was a result of some serious liver problems. I don't know if there are other causes of it. I like the KiY/jaundice link. May use that... Jon Capps The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Graeme Price [graemep@immagene.MCG.EDU] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 9:12 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Looking for Suggestions >Greetings. > >Excellent setup and good suggestions. >I like the idea of a virus that induces "terminal post coital depression" Some form of genetically modified rabies or HIV, perhaps. Then, of course it would be a bioweapons testing program gone bad (or worse). A general caution with the virus thing, you have to think about things like incubation period and transmission route. The scenario could get bogged down very quickly if you don't (or worse if you have player with a medical background, or an investigator with a medical background played by a player _without_ a medical background... the latter is bad as it leads to spoonfeeding from the keeper). This is a general drawback when you consider any scenario with an element of hard science. A somewhat more malleable solution would be to set it up as follows: MJ-12 sponsored lab tests a chemical agent which triggers depression, but in some cases can result in suicidal or homicidal impulses. Lab accident exposes a technician (female: the options are, er, wider) to a massive amount of the chemical. After a brief loss of conciousness, she seems fine and is checked out (if you run the programme, what are you going to do - take her to a real hospital where they ask all sorts of odd questions or tell your superiors about the accident and face the wrath of MJ-12?). But, the chemical is fat soluble and released slowly into the bloodstream and then into, er, other bodily fluids. Now, the technician appears fine, if a little depressed, and decides to cheer herself up through hedonism (or the chemcial has subtly affected her psyche). She is unaware of her condition and has no outward symptoms. She is immune to the effects of the drug (perhaps due to an unknown genetic resistance) and is now worried that someone is stalking her and is out to silence her, because everyone she has slept with since the accident has died in what she takes as carefully covered up assassinations. Of course, this isn't so far from the truth as the lab has noticed her missing and MJ-12 agents are looking for her. The lab itself (and it's personnel may or may have been "cleaned" yet - that can happen during the scenario). Having a failed suicide is also good, as it gives the investigators a new laed that they can interrog.... sorry, interview. Run with it from there and let us know how it goes. Cheers Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Graeme Price [graemep@immagene.MCG.EDU] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 9:22 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: RE: DG: Looking for Suggestions >> Any one who has had or studied Jaundice >> knows that the person's skin turns Yellow. >> >> Throw some underlying patterns into the skin >> that look almost like an odd sigil. > >Quick clarification: Someone _is_ jaundice, not _has_ jaundice. That should be _is_ jaundiced. You make >jaundice sound like a disease. It's really more like a condition or >symptom, indicating Something's Wrong. In all my past experience it was >caused by having too much bilirubin (which is yellow/brown) in the system, >and was a result of some serious liver problems. I don't know if there are >other causes of it. Post natal jaundice is due to the break down of red blood cells (haemolysis) after birth. It fades in a week or two. Bilirubin is (IIRC) a breakdown product of haemoglobin, which is released when red blood cells lyse. Normally it is eliminated in the liver, but a malfunctioning liver can cause bilirubin to build up in the bloodstream (and then get deposited in the skin) and urine (the latter can come out quite dark brown). In dark skinned people, the only obvious sign of jaundice may be the whites of the eye turning yellow. It's a common symptom of liver damage, particularly (but not neccessarily) of hepatitis, although there are many causes. Note that the liver is an amazingly regenerative organ, and jaundice is normally transient lasting a few weeks and fading once the damage to the liver is repaired. Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Jon Ward [wardjr@aston.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 9:53 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Looking for Suggestions On a computer, far, far away, Graeme Price wrote: [Original attribution lost] > >Excellent setup and good suggestions. > >I like the idea of a virus that induces "terminal post coital depression" > Some form of genetically modified rabies or HIV, perhaps. Ideally, you want something that has a incubation period of between 3-7 days. Enough for more people to become infected, but short enough that the PC's can still track it. HIV takes 6 months to become detectable, which is a bit over long. My candidate - modified meningitis. It already affects the brain (less to modify), and has an incubation period similar to what we are talking about. As you may gather from my .sig, I work in a University. Us staff are constantly reminded to be on the look out for symptoms on meningitis (esp. as one of our students died of it last year). Of course, Uni's are seen to be a hot bed [sic] of polyamoury and promiscuity [0]. Jon [0] This is, of course, a myth. Or at least in Engineering it was when I was at Uni. -- Jonathan Ward || "Architecture, said Hegel, is frozen music, and School of Engineering || Donald Swann's music has often been described Aston University || as defrosted architecture." j.r.ward@aston.ac.uk || Michael Flanders "At the Drop of a Hat" The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Marc J Cassell [nekonube2k@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 10:03 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Looking for Suggestions On Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:22:18 -0500 graemep@immagene.MCG.EDU (Graeme Price) writes: > >> Any one who has had or studied Jaundice > >> knows that the person's skin turns Yellow. > >> > >> Throw some underlying patterns into the skin > >> that look almost like an odd sigil. > > > >Quick clarification: Someone _is_ jaundice, not _has_ jaundice. > > That should be _is_ jaundiced. > > Post natal jaundice is due to the break down of red blood cells > (haemolysis) after birth. It fades in a week or two. > > Graeme > > graemep@immag.mcg.edu > > > The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > Ok thanks for the correction. I had/is/was bad Jaundiced when I was born and when my parents tell me about it they always use the verb had. Now they aren't doctors and I'm a computer geek and they have been wrong in the past. Glad we have some real doctors on the list to correct the fools like me :) Also who says you need any hard science to run this thing? We have a Mythos Reagent here that is the best part. The players can know anything they need about hard science and the best part Is you can keep changing it as you go along. The whole point is that when they think that it can be transmitted they should get worried about an epidemic. Then when they try to figure out how it can be passed and why and how long and all that stuff, make shit up and feed them bullshit! If they have a doctor in the party dock him a SAN as he does the research and tell him that it makes no sense cause it doesn't seem to follow anything he understands. Give him the hint that the information that he needs would be much more costly to him then to just get out there and stop it. If they use a NPC as a doctor to try to find out about it have the doctor commit suicide and let them find his repeated lab notes. Some science stuff but mostly at the end badly handwritten phrases of "It makes no sense, It makes no sense" Getting more and more illegible and hectic nearer to the end. Remember it is easy to scare a char you just roll some dice and give a result. Your main goal is to scare the players. Now in all of this I have never said that it is even spreadable through any normal ways. The concept was that the kid could have been used to infect the child molester in any number of ways and never had been a carrier. I'm sure MJ-12 could find a way to convince a kid to do something they needed. The point should be to let the players think that this thing could spread and become an epidemic when there is no or little risk. But if you plant that seed and let them water it the mood will be tense and they will be franticly rushing the whole time trying to stop the epidemic that will never happen, but they are sure it will. Iceweb who has been is Jaundiced Oh man yellow snow! ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of festusdirk@yahoo.de Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 11:51 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: Fwd: DG:Pre-History of the Tcho-tcho (part 3) (long) snip Great Khan of the East,> and he records a strange custom in Tibet: when one's father is about to d> ie, all the relatives meet together and eat him.  A decade later, the > Fran> ciscan monk William de Rubruquis heard the same tale while travelling in C> entral Asia, and adds the detail that they also make a drinking cup of the> skull in memory of the deceased.  He also reports that there were many > 'm> isshapen individuals' among this people.  this weeks "DER SPIEGEL" magazine writes in an article on creutzfeld-jakob /"mad cow disease" that traditional cannibals in NewGuinea having the habit of eating their deceased relatives brains until about 1960 tend to show symptoms much alike mad cow disease even today. the carrier most probably is a so called "prion" molecule that tends to settle in the brain and spine obviously able to sit quiet between a half and 40+ years before causing problems. nanotechnology anyone? greetings festus ----------------------------------------------------------- Diese Mail wurde von http://www.urbia.de (we are family ) durch IMP (http://www.horde.org) versandt . Schauen Sie doch mal bei uns vorbei! ----------------------------------------------------------- The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Graeme Price [graemep@immagene.MCG.EDU] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 12:53 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The LA Cacaphony Society > At last, I've found my clique. > >http://la.cacophony.org/CS_gate.html Really Mark? You do something subversive? Surely some mistake, but perhaps I'm suspicious of an organization which appears to be comprised of anarchists (note for the irony impaired: think about the phrase "organization of anarchists"). However, the cacophony theme does remind me of a late-lamented character in one of my old cyberpunk games, who upon being arrested and questioned as to why he was carrying several silenced automatic weapons claimed it was because he was a member of the noise abatement society. Ah. Happy times. Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Morpheus [morpheus_76@usa.net] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 3:23 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Out for shopping ! Hi all ... yesterday I was skimming through the mailing list archives, and I've saw that somebody (Mib ?) had proposed to organize a sort of list of equipment useful for DG Agents & Friendlies. Well, I don't know if someone had saw it, but there is this interesting link : Galls - The Authority in Public Safety Equipment & apparel http://www.galls.com/index.jsp It's an online shop that provide equipment for law enforcement agency, governament organization and so on. Shopping categories include Badge&Identification, Bags&Organizers, Duty Gear, Emergency Equipment, Evidence Collection, Law Enforcement, Military, and many others. And it has also prices ! Take a look (alas is a little slow ... ), it's worth. Your agents will start wonder what kind of toys they will buy for xmas ... And it will be time to use that empty room inside their Green Box ! Your lovely vendor, Morpheus ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 3:40 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Cattle raid ----- Original Message ----- From: The Nuge Keepers Eyes Only > As i mentioned in the previous post, the Deep Ones ain't operating here no more Thanks for correction, and for very interesting information. I know a bit about this, though only from the outsider's point of view. I've read THE TAIN (Kinsella's translation) and a few other bits of ancient Irish lit. So. How's about Cuchulain's Warp-Spasms? (Sorry, can't find this online to paste a link It's damn good anyhow.) "The first warp-spasm seized Cuchulainn, and made him into a monstrous thing, hideous and shapeless, unheard of. His shanks and his joints, every knuckle and angle and organ from head to foot, shook like a tree in the flood or a reed in the stream. His body made a furious twist inside his skin, so that his feet and shins and knees switched to the rear and his heels and calves switched to the front. The balled sinews of his calves switched to the front of his shins, each big knot the size of a warrior's bunched fist. On his head the temple-sinews stretched to the nape of his neck, each might, immense, measureless knob as big as the head of a month-old child. His face and features became a red bowl: he sucked one eye so deep into his head that a wild crane couldn't probe it onto his cheek out of the depths of his skull; the other eye fell out along his cheek. His mouth weirdly distorted: his cheek peeled back form his jaws until the gullet appeared, his lungs and liver flapped in his mouth and throat, his lower jaw struck the upper a lion-killing blow, and fiery flakes large as a ram's fleece reached his mouth from his throat. His heart boomed loud in his breast like the baying of a watch-dog at its feed or the sound of a lion among bears. Malignant mists and spurts of fire - the torches of the Badb - flickered red in the vaporous clouds that rose boiling above his head, so fierce was his fury. The hair of his head twisted like the tangle of a red thornbush stuck in a gap; if a royal apple tree with all its kingly fruit were shaken above him, scarce an apple would reach the ground but each would be spiked on a bristle of his hair as it stood up on his scalp with rage. The hero-halo rose out of his brow, long and broad as a warrior's whetstone, long as a snout, and he went mad rattling his shields, urging on his charioteer and harassing the hosts. Then, tall and thick, steady and strong, high as the mast of a noble ship, rose up from the dead centre of his skull a straight spout of black blood darkly and magically smoking like the smoke from a royal hostel when a king is coming to be cared for at the close of a wintry day." Smell of the Mythos? The Glove Cleaner (and yeah, the thing about getting drunk to foil the Shan is worth trying ...) .. The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 4:12 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Jerry's Choirboys vs the Shan Greetings. It is now official. By a special order of the Italian Health Ministry, Italian citizens that spent six months or more on British soil between 1980 and 1996 have been forbidden from donating blood The public explanation is this is to avoid the spreading of Mad Cow disease in Italy through human vectors. You can imagine much more sinister going ons. I'll refrain from offering speculation for the time being, but one: the government is implicitly admitting all persons in question are potential Kreutzfeld-Jacob (sp?) victims running on borrowed time. There is of course, our masters say, no reason to panic. Cheers. Davide Mana Who spent 7 months in London in '92 and is now a runner up for the title of "First Delta Green Listmember in the Afterlife (if any)" by official decree of his government (bastards!) Just what I needed to top a bad month. The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Hans-Christian Vortisch [greytiga@zedat.fu-berlin.de] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 5:08 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Jerry's Choirboys vs the Shan Davide Mana, hoping to be the first government-sanctioned DG member in a madhouse, wrote: >spent 7 months in London in '92 and is now a runner up for the title of >"First Delta Green Listmember in the Afterlife (if any)" by official decree >of his government (bastards!) >Just what I needed to top a bad month. > The German government decreed the same some time ago. I spent a year in London in 96/97, but since I am a vegan (and already was back then), I guess this doesn't apply to me ... Incidently, our chancellor, Mr Schröder, was quoted today in saying that even a layman could see that no good could come out of feeding ground meat to herbivores like cows and sheep. Hear, hear! They might have figured that one out a couple years earlier. Stupid bastards. CHeers HANS The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 5:15 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Grist for the Canadian Mill.... WAS: Looking for Suggestions I<< SpasticLemur@aol.com wrote: Speaking of Canada ____________________________________________________________________ Canadians Looking South to Meet Sperm Demand >> Do I get a T-shirt or a coffee mug or a Team Progenitor bookbag or something? No? Well, are they going to play any SCTV or Kids in the Hall? Do I get to meet Shatner? Is that Lorne Michaels? Dammit, no, I said Lorne Green! Look, if you don't turn down the Celine Dion music this is going to take all day. Mark McFadden Maybe it's the sperm 'demand' bit that's getting in the way. Talk about pressure. The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Nick Brownlow [stabernide@netscape.net] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 5:35 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Jerrys Choirboys vs the Shan >By a special order of the Italian Health Ministry, Italian citizens that >spent six months or more on British soil between 1980 and 1996 have been >forbidden from donating blood >The public explanation is this is to avoid the spreading of Mad Cow >disease >in Italy through human vectors. >I'll refrain from offering speculation for the time being, but one: the >government is implicitly admitting all persons in question are potential >Kreutzfeld-Jacob (sp?) victims running on borrowed time. You've got it good. I don't even remember leaving the country during this period. >Just what I needed to top a bad month. All just a preamble to financial ruin come the end of December. regards, Nick ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of John Petherick [jpetheri@cyberbeach.net] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 6:38 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: RE: Jerry's Choirboys vs the Shan > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com [mailto:owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com]On > Behalf Of Davide Mana > Sent: November 23, 2000 5:12 PM > To: dgrpg@delta-green.com > Subject: DG: Jerry's Choirboys vs the Shan > > > Greetings. > > It is now official. > By a special order of the Italian Health Ministry, Italian citizens that > spent six months or more on British soil between 1980 and 1996 have been > forbidden from donating blood > The public explanation is this is to avoid the spreading of Mad > Cow disease > in Italy through human vectors. > You can imagine much more sinister going ons. > > I'll refrain from offering speculation for the time being, but one: the > government is implicitly admitting all persons in question are potential > Kreutzfeld-Jacob (sp?) victims running on borrowed time. > There is of course, our masters say, no reason to panic. > > Cheers. > I just donated blood today, and Canadian Blood Services has the same exclusion. Of course, most of the exclusions deal with potential acquisition of HIV, Hepatitis, Chaga's disease, Leishmaniasis, and other tropical nasties. We have Canadian Blood Services now because the government took the Red Cross Society out of the blood collection business after the tainted blood inquiries. Among the problems, besides not testing for Hepatitis C when tests were available (shades of France here), was the purchase of blood products from a US company. This US company ran blood collection clinics in prisons in the US South. Of course, convicts are not exactly what would be considered low risk donors. The interesting thing that I noted today was that at the bottom of the donation information form was the following print: "CJD France" followed by a series of numbers and letters that may have represented dates. The print didn't quite match the main part of the form, suggesting that it was added to the master at a later date. Is this a prelude to excluding donors who spent more than six months in France, after a certain date? Of course, a more paranoid person than myself would see blood collection as part of the follow-up to a surreptitious inoculation or genetic engineering experiment. I wonder if Whole Earth Enterprises, and the UK subsidiary formed after they discovered what the acronym meant, is in the blood products business? The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 6:47 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Jerry's Choirboys vs the Shan In a message dated 11/23/00 2:16:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, doctor.dee@libero.it writes: << I'll refrain from offering speculation for the time being, but one: the government is implicitly admitting all persons in question are potential Kreutzfeld-Jacob (sp?) victims running on borrowed time. There is of course, our masters say, no reason to panic. >> What's their position on kuru? Stop laughing, this is serious. I said, what's their position on kuru? Mark McFadden What are you giggling about *now*? On a more serious note, does this have the feel of a real health concern or is it economic warfare? I'm thinking of the Chocky Wars. The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 7:35 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The LA Cacaphony Society On Thu, 23 Nov 2000 LizardRoi@aol.com, aka "Bozo", wrote: > At last, I've found my clique. > > http://la.cacophony.org/CS_gate.html Yes... you ought to fit right in with the... NECROPHILIAC CLOWNS~! http://la.cacophony.org/CS_museum.html I always knew you were going to join the legions of greasepaint sooner or later. Their brightly colored evil is anathema, and *will* be exterminated! YOU AND ALL YOUR EVIL CLOWN ALLIES WILL FALL BEFORE MY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION~! So bring your slapsticks. Bring your funny noses. Bring your silly oversized shoes... BRING your Roo-DEE-Poo, Candy-@$$, Jabronie-sized, Monkey-Crap ugly hermaphroditic selves... ...but just... BRING IT~! IF YA SMEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLL-LA-LA-LA... what the MiB... is Cookin' The Man in Black is : vindicated at last. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven [THE 7th CHEMICAL] http://www.emerald-hammer.org [EMERALD HAMMER] The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Popeyesays@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 8:04 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The LA Cacaphony Society In a message dated 11/23/00 7:34:19 PM Central Standard Time, mib@cyberspace.org writes: > I don't know isn't vindication a 'karmic" kind of thing that cannot quite be grasped in this life? From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 8:06 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Blood In a message dated 11/23/00 4:37:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, jpetheri@cyberbeach.net writes: << Of course, a more paranoid person than myself would see blood collection as part of the follow-up to a surreptitious inoculation or genetic engineering experiment. I wonder if Whole Earth Enterprises, and the UK subsidiary formed after they discovered what the acronym meant, is in the blood products business? >> Of course Whole Earth Enterprises is into blood. Someone's got to take up the slack in tapping street people, convicts and IV drug users. Blood. Meditate on it for a while. We intuitively know it's significance. Mankind has mixed blood to forge brotherhood, drank it for power, spilled it for more. It's a sacrament and a blasphemy, hot cold red blue pure and tainted. Sanguine or possessed of a remarkable sangfroid. I had a flash during my First Communion. Something about "this is my Body, and *this* is my Blood" kept nagging me. Was a distinction greater than solid and liquid being made? Isn't the blood part of the body? It's more than liquid medium, it's an organ in it's own right. It's the organ than connects all of the others, the motherboard to the brain's CPU. Oh sure, you can get DNA from any of the parts, but when families devolve is it due to bad sperm or bad blood? You would think that a paranoid patriarchy would have insisted on charting spermlines, just to keep the inheritance straight, but custom prevails and it's bloodlines we follow. It's thicker than water you know. It's the currency of magick. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch with the gods, they are out for blood. Sometimes you can joke 'em along with some rooster or goat or dove or sheep or ox blood, that's fine for the 9-to-5ers, but if you want deal with the shakers and movers you better show up with something better than vin ordinaire. Perhaps a naive domestic with a charming blush and an impertinent nose. I found this little beauty at a tasting up north at the Bohemian Grove. Private stock and very dear, but as Muffy says, "You only live forever once." Too true. I can write it off as a business expense anyway. "Weaving spiders come not here," my pedigreed ass. Be a sport and hold the legs for a bit, would you? All this silly thrashing about almost toppled the Warhol. Where's that razor? Toad, fetch the decanter and some glasses. Yes, one for you as well. I prefer to let it breathe for a bit if you don't mind, helps to settle the coppery quality. Mark McFadden The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Popeyesays@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 8:10 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Blood In a message dated 11/23/00 8:07:22 PM Central Standard Time, LizardRoi@aol.com writes: > Of course Whole Earth Enterprises is into blood. Someone's got to take up > the slack in tapping street people, convicts and IV drug users. > Vampirism is symbolic with blood for a lot of reasons besides "food". Many maintain that the horror behind Dracula (Stoker's) was the terror of syphillis - an insidious disease that slowly stole away your mind, and forever tainted your blood and seed. It is a stuff of omens and significance. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 9:09 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: The LA Cacaphony Society In a message dated 11/23/00 5:34:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, mib@cyberspace.org writes: << Yes... you ought to fit right in with the... NECROPHILIAC CLOWNS~! http://la.cacophony.org/CS_museum.html >> I will not insult your dubious intelligence by claiming to want to 'change from within the system.' Be assured that my conqu..., uh, membership will be accompanied by unambiguous loyalty oaths and a rigorous inspection of noses and feet of the pogrom survivors. There isn't anything funny about clowns, they need to learn this. << I always knew you were going to join the legions of greasepaint sooner or later. Their brightly colored evil is anathema, and *will* be exterminated! YOU AND ALL YOUR EVIL CLOWN ALLIES WILL FALL BEFORE MY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION~! >> Hold that thought. I might need to borrow a cup of anthrax to settle any final differences with quislings and running dog lackeys of the Bozgeoisie. << The Man in Black is : vindicated at last. >> Yeah, I remember when I first got vindicated. You'll never forget your first time. It was sort of clumsy and frantic, but sweet. Mark McFadden I want to be a part of stuff like: The Small After All World inferno at Burning Man http://la.cacophony.org/CS_smallafterall.html The Bubonic Faire http://la.cacophony.org/BubonicFaire.html#whore Santa Rampage '99 http://la.cacophony.org/santa1999.html The Cement Cuddlers http://la.cacophony.org/CS_cement.html The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 10:04 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Tainted Sperm (was grist for the canadians) Now there's an idea... some of the younger deep ones who keep in contact with the shore get wind of this way that their sperm can be given to people with their permission. They have folks who were already half-breeds who haven't undergone the change yet (and just look ugly as opposed to "fuggin 1/2way to deep one ugly") to donate their happy juice to clinics in big cities that are on rivers bound for the ocean... Wait a few years and..., surprise! I dunno what good it would do the deep ones, other than increasing their numbers in a day and age when inbred coastal towns are hard to hide. Maybe it's already been happening... and it's just now starting to take effect... J. Edward _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of John Petherick [jpetheri@cyberbeach.net] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 10:15 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: RE: DG: Blood -----Original Message----- From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com [mailto:owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com]On Behalf Of Popeyesays@aol.com Sent: November 23, 2000 9:10 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Blood > > >In a message dated 11/23/00 8:07:22 PM Central Standard Time, >LizardRoi@aol.com writes: >> >>Of course Whole Earth Enterprises is into blood. Someone's got to take up >>the slack in tapping street people, convicts and IV drug users. > > >Vampirism is symbolic with blood for a lot of reasons besides "food". Many >maintain that the horror behind Dracula (Stoker's) was the terror of >syphillis - an insidious disease that slowly stole away your mind, and >forever tainted your blood and seed. It is a stuff of omens and significance. Of course, vampirism is all about sex. I hadn't heard the syphilis idea before, more of the concept of lust and corruption would appeal to a Victorian or Edwardian audience. Having seen people with tertiary and congenital syphilis, I can also appreciate the horror. The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 11:10 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Tainted Sperm (was grist for the canadians) On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* wrote: > I dunno what good it would do the deep ones, other than increasing their > numbers in a day and age when inbred coastal towns are hard to hide. > > Maybe it's already been happening... and it's just now starting to take > effect... This would be a bad program for the Deep Ones. Eventually (several decades or possibly much much sooner with Biotech being what it is) people would uncover the Deep One Genome in the mix by genetic screening and expose the Fish Folk. It might not be a bad scenario seed for an unknowing Hybrid Donor to be uncovered by some sort of clandestine genetic screening. Of course Majestic would be doing the screening, and they would eventually uncover the link between the donor and the dried fish trapped in the YY-II facility. It would be at this point where Gavin Ross or the Nazi Bugs Bunny (Adolph Lepus) would attempt to use Delta Green to probe the mess. Note the presence of Nazi Easter Bunnies at one of the Lizard King's new EVIL CLOWN allies odd events: http://la.cacophony.org/CS_nazieaster.html Can there be any better proof that clowns are irrevocably evil and the Lizard King is their lickspittle apologist? To Sum Up: Lizard King = bad Clown wannabe Nazi's = Rabbits MiB = staunch defender of Liberty and Freedom from Clowns (Evil) Majestic = Won't like seafood Canadians = after our precious bodily sperm (I TOLD YOU SO~!) Clowns = the heart of darkness. The Number Seven = darker. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven [THE 7th CHEMICAL] http://www.emerald-hammer.org [EMERALD HAMMER] The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 1:11 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Tainted Sperm (was grist for the canadians) (MIB sayeth) >This would be a bad program for the Deep Ones. Eventually (several decades >or possibly much much sooner with Biotech being what it is) people would >uncover the Deep One Genome in the mix by genetic screening and expose the >Fish Folk. (ah... yes... that pesky problem. Unless the change really IS more 'magic' than genetic in origin, but that's a BEEEEG can of wyrms to pop open. It also sounds kind of 'gee whiz.') > >It might not be a bad scenario seed for an unknowing Hybrid Donor to be >uncovered by some sort of clandestine genetic screening. Or, since deep ones are kind of anarchic, it could still play out but not as a group effort. A small gang of them thought this was just a SWELL idea, and did it. Then, then when kids on the river started getting 'innsmouthy' and swam for the ocean, older, wiser deep ones found out and, realizing the danger, moved to shut it down. So the DG agents get caught in a squeeze play between 'young & dumb" deep ones & their hybrid agents trying to keep this project going, 'old & wise" deep ones & their hybrid agents trying to shut it down and MJ-12 trying to grab Deep One HYbrid Happy Juice for their own hideous purposes... Or you could always flip the coin a little and have folks play MJ-12 trying to get the happy juice, and being stymied by three different groups of "weirdoes" -- one of whom is delta green. mmmmm. smell fishy? J. Edward _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Austin Chamberlain [achamber@its.uct.ac.za] Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 2:01 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Divers guard Kremlin sewers Hi all Found a very interesting article on the BBC this morning: http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/world/monitoring/media_reports/newsid_1037000/1037574.stm Basically, an elite team of combat divers, with specialist equipment including four-shot underwater pistols, guards the sewers underneath the Kremlin. What are they guarding against? Ghouls? Stray deep ones? Austin The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 2:13 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Blood In a message dated 11/23/00 8:13:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, jpetheri@cyberbeach.net writes: << Of course, vampirism is all about sex. I hadn't heard the syphilis idea before, more of the concept of lust and corruption would appeal to a Victorian or Edwardian audience. >> In many ways, blood is all about sex. Every 28 days or so, expect a reminder. I was always fascinated with the 'sorority effect', when all the women living in close proximity get in synch with the Alpha female's menstrual cycle. In a small college town in Nebraska where most of the female population lives in a dorm, after a little shakedown the whole campus found the beat. Shine on harvest moon. Back when we lived in tribes, I'll bet all the women were in synch. Maybe most of that ostracism and taboo stuff was for those contrary women who just wouldn't get with the program. The first shot in a matriarch power struggle would be to get out of synch, maybe set the new beat. I could see how having the womenfolk waging PMS wars hormone a hormone might make the men contemplate taking some decisive action. Mark McFadden The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 2:18 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Divers guard Kremlin sewers In a message dated 11/24/00 12:03:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, achamber@its.uct.ac.za writes: << Basically, an elite team of combat divers, with specialist equipment including four-shot underwater pistols, guards the sewers underneath the Kremlin. What are they guarding against? Ghouls? Stray deep ones? >> Remember the Fluke Man (AKA The Doo-doo Man) on the X-Files? He was from a Russian boat. Mark McFadden The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Nuge [jessthecatasc@ireland.com] Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 2:47 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Alcoholic Irishman's rant (was Re: Earth special?+ PUN ALERT) Keepers Eyes Only > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another ancient Irish point: Whiskey in Gaelige (Irish) is Uisce Beatha - trans directly means "The water of life". The celts used to get drunk in battle ("magic potion", a la Asterix and the Normans). And alcohol was not very pleasant to the inhabitant of the Dal'Negors'k sphere. what my limited research has turned up: Alcohol So many warnings tell you not to drink -- but do they really tell you why? Alcohol affects the body and mind in many different ways. When someone drinks a lot, you can actually see changes in him or her. Why? In your brain lies the cerebral cortex, which controls your use of reason and judgment. The nerves in these parts of the brain talk to each other by using impulses that travel through neurotransmitters. One of the most common neurotransmitters, gamma-aminobutyl acid (GABA) is inhibited when someone drinks alcohol. What this really means is that your brain cannot think as fast. And if this happens, someone could do things that they normally do not do because the alcohol affects the brain's logical thinking. Alcohol acts like a sedative, which means you feel soothing and relaxing effects. This could make someone feel more relaxed, and end up making fools of themselves and doing things that they later regret. Alcohol blocks the messages going to your brain, and alters your perceptions and emotions, vision, hearing, and coordination. Alcoholism is a disease -- just like diabetes or high blood pressure. But having the disease is nothing to be ashamed of. Many people have admitted they are alcoholics and are getting help through Alcoholics Anonymous. Viz: Alcohol inhibits mental communication. Since the Shan don't possess a body, they coerce a body (technically), when the body is so tanked up, they just can't get through. Second, i once heard that Alcohol "oils" the connections between the higher and lower brain. perhaps, this affects the Shans ability to stay in the human body? Dex V number of pints consumed to actually stay in the body? Third, perhaps shans get pissed. They like human emotions, perhaps they get sympathetically drunk? My theory is this: Another ancient Irish point: Whiskey in Gaelige (Irish) is Uisce Beatha - trans directly means "The water of life". The celts used to get drunk in battle ("magic potion", a la Asterix and the Normans). And alcohol was not very pleasant to the inhabitant of the Dal'Negors'k sphere. what my limited research has turned up: Alcohol So many warnings tell you not to drink -- but do they really tell you why? Alcohol affects the body and mind in many different ways. When someone drinks a lot, you can actually see changes in him or her. Why? In your brain lies the cerebral cortex, which controls your use of reason and judgment. The nerves in these parts of the brain talk to each other by using impulses that travel through neurotransmitters. One of the most common neurotransmitters, gamma-aminobutyl acid (GABA) is inhibited when someone drinks alcohol. What this really means is that your brain cannot think as fast. And if this happens, someone could do things that they normally do not do because the alcohol affects the brain's logical thinking. Alcohol acts like a sedative, which means you feel soothing and relaxing effects. This could make someone feel more relaxed, and end up making fools of themselves and doing things that they later regret. Alcohol blocks the messages going to your brain, and alters your perceptions and emotions, vision, hearing, and coordination. Alcoholism is a disease -- just like diabetes or high blood pressure. But having the disease is nothing to be ashamed of. Many people have admitted they are alcoholics and are getting help through Alcoholics Anonymous. Viz: Alcohol inhibits mental communication. Since the Shan don't possess a body, they coerce a body (technically), when the body is so tanked up, they just can't get through. Second, i once heard that Alcohol "oils" the connections between the higher and lower brain. perhaps, this affects the Shans ability to stay in the human body? Dex V number of pints consumed to actually stay in the body? Third, perhaps shans get pissed. They like human emotions, perhaps they get sympathetically drunk? Furthermore, alcohol makes the body less coordinated, less tactful, and smell bad. The Shans, by infesting PISCES, operate as discreetly as possible. And shans are not exactly masters of psychology - thus a drunk body is next to useless to them. I suggest that alcohol (of if you're picky, Irish Alcohol) is detrimental to parasitic life: 1 dose = 1 POT, cumulative. Therefore, to remove a shan with Con 10, 1 pint of bitter would have 5% chance of forcing the parasite to leave or take 1/2 POT damage. So, once our infested friend has ingested 7 pints, the shan has 65% chance of staying, 11 pints 45% chance, and after 21 pints, the shan automatically ejects or takes 1/2 Pot damage per hour. Assume that POT deteriorates at 1/4 ingested per hour - this might mean a little keeping track of how much is drunk, but then again, a character with a shan has a lot to worry about. On the other hand, the human body can only take so much booze (!), and at the GMs discretion, the POT should be rolled against the PC's Con, a failure meaning the PC gets sick and can't drink for a certain amount of time (Indefinity Insanity time table, perhaps). While this might seem an easy solution to the brain opening, remember that: 1: there's a spell in Day Of the Beast that "sings out shans". 2: to get an average shan, you need to get at least a naggin of Vodka in you. 3: You still need a mate to smash the bugger - at that point, you're probably going to have difficulty standing. 4: Tobias Knight: Psychic - more suseptable to psychic intrusion - what a wonderful host he would make. Perhaps the reason why he hasn't been possessed yet is his continual alcohol abuse? For topical information, i refer you to the Guinness case. Guinness moved Admin to England. Ernest Saunders, the 1st non-Guinness to run the Brewery group, commited huge amounts of embezellement, tax fraud, and general bastardry (Up there with Robert Maxwell). Then, at his trial, he was going to get 5 years, but the judge let him off on grounds of "pre-senile dementia"; of which he has now "miraculously" recovered from, and now works as a consultant in Geneva. He is referred to as "the Fiend in Human form" by the BBC's topical News Show "Have I got News for You", such is his complete arseholehood and his scott free escape, thanks to the British court. Perhaps PISCES infected/coerced Saunders to contaminate Guinness (removing the anti-shan element - that might explain Guinness Extra-Cold), then when he got caught, rigged the trial and sent him packing. _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/