From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Matt Cowger [mcowger@kc.rr.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 2:40 AM To: Secured Server One Cc: Drew Subject: DG: a brief bio of Kinsolver The suicidal Mark Kinsolver is something of a beat generation mystery. He was a known drunkard, with a fondness for vodka. Also an alleged communist and bi-sexual, there are a few (very few) biographies of his life, the most noted being 'Pages and Rages, a Life of Kinsolver' by former girlfriend Nancy Keyes. Kinsolver was noted for his dabblings in the occult assosciated with such personages as L. Ron Hubbard and Jack Parsons. He wrote several small collections most published under the Heat Death label (est 1957, by Fred Rowland). the most notable were 'The Four Poems of Anything Goes' and 'Now Maybe Then'. Small collections of poems. Mark Kinsolver lived a short and tragic life, born in Carbondale, Kansas to a small farming family and moving to Santa Fe, New Mexico when he was 18. He worked several transient jobs, writing on the side untill he is (rumoured) to have thrown himself to his death in a canyon outside of the city at the age of 24. Stories of his having children have not been proven. (Presented as a possible investigatory tie in) The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of R L [sushi_with_extra_rice@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 2:49 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG:City of Darkness, NEW ORLEANS >Gotta chime in and support the town I lived in for 6 years. > >As US cities go New Orleans rates very highly as a city of darkness. Definately a very cool possibility. It's also a city most of my players have some impression of (mostly due to the movies mentioned, where I have at least two in my collection). Can I rip and rewrite you mail as an intro sort of... :) Thanks. NO now rates very high on my list of possible cities. Ron "The breath of the fluteplayer, does it belong to the flute?" -Rumi _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of R L [sushi_with_extra_rice@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 2:52 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: City of Darkness, please help Paris might be a bit more > > decadent...? > > Paris would have the cultural mix you are looking for. I >still want to find some way of using Ho Chi Minh's years as >a chef in Paris. He was a fan of the Grand Guignol. Paris is obviously also a city I need to research before setting anything up... > Don't even think of trying to settle in L.A. unless you >clear it with Kilroy first. ;-) Uhu? Ron "The breath of the fluteplayer, does it belong to the flute?" -Rumi _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 1:33 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: Karotechia Meaning Revealed! (was Re: DG: RE: Countdown returning) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark McFadden" To: > > I was referring to the Karotechia's reversed Nazi swastika which reverses > it to an unreversed gammodion, which reverts it to a sun symbol, which would > be an appropriate Azathoth symbol FWIW consider this symbol, which I will be using for AZATHOTH in my Domain Science Letters site http://home.clara.net/andywrobertson/dsl_azathoth.gif This is an iterative fractal, mathematically derivable, but I chose it precisely because it **looks** like a repeated gammadeon or ffoliot. The idea is to hint that AZATHOTH and the greater GOO can be approached through mathematics, or are buried in the depths of mathematics. But under some treatments the maths produces patterns like this, which the old magicians glimpsed, through Yith-dreams or on the consoles of Serpent Men, and copied crudely, giving is some of our familiar mystic symbols. I'd like to do something similar with the trifid Yellow Sign, but I have not yet found a suitable fractal. The Glove Cleaner The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Hans-Christian Vortisch [greytiga@zedat.fu-berlin.de] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 5:52 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: [OT] Bashing the Frenchies >That subspecies will soon be completely extinct. > Really? I just read about this very popular woman (can't remember her name) who wants to run for president or something. A Commie. In France. CHeers HANS The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Charles Ripper [yeroshka7@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 3:39 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: City of Darkness, please help >From: "R L" > >I'm building a setting for a campaign, where the players are going to be >mostly DG friendlies. Most of the action is going to be set in one city, >which is going to be portraied as a pool of corruption, occultism, violence >and things-in-the-shadows. I don't know where you live, but I find that any home town has more than enough shadows if you look hard enough. I come from Pittsburgh, PA, which would seem tame at first glance, but there were colleges with government contracts, biomedical research (we had the first baboon heart transplanted into a human being there), steam tunnels that imagination had stretch under half the city, quick access to an under-educated backwoods area, ghosts, spooks and such. Charles _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of R L [sushi_with_extra_rice@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 3:42 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Chess > > Meanwhile have a look at this: > > > > http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/chess Very cool. The intro really sets the mood. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Sylvain Clément [sylvain.clement@wanadoo.fr] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 3:41 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: On Topic? Re: DG: [OT] Bashing the Frenchies Khorne wrote : > What if the Muroroa test wasn't a test at all, but the second offensive use > of nuclear weapons in history? What if the French government decided to > take unilateral action against a fragment of a sunken city-continent with a > 50 kiloton blockbuster? What if Greenpeace knew about this and threatened > to blow the whistle. We all know what a little knowledge can lead to in > Lovecraftland. Naturally, the eco-activists had to be > silenced...somehow...lest a dangerous truth get out. > > "Or was the Muroroa test something completely different and not a nuclear > operation at all?" The place's underground circumference has been thoroughly nuked along the years, by successive and geographically close detonations (or so we are told) ; it can be viewed as a mere way of rationally using up the available testing volume, or as an intentional and systematic demolition program of some muvian place that's better not viewed (G********a's lair ?). OTOH, we can imagine underground summoning tests with a readily available nuke back-up to help send back the thing. Or the experimental systematization of summoning minute-sized antimatter beings, for military ends. Anyway, it can't be as simple and mundane as mere "nuclear weapon validation tests". Sylvain Clément The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Sylvain Clément [sylvain.clement@wanadoo.fr] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:34 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: [OT] Bashing the French commies A propos des cocos : > >That subspecies will soon be completely extinct. > > > Really? I just read about this very popular woman (can't remember her name) > who wants to run for president or something. A Commie. In France. Heck ! They are a pretty macho bunch, and I cannot tell who she can be, apart from the old Arlette Laguiller (of Lutte Ouvrière, a marginal leftist movement), who has been a regular sight in the last decades' presidential elections. SC The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of G. Maerkerke [Gmaerk@wanadoo.fr] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:13 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: [OT] Bashing the Frenchies > >That subspecies will soon be completely extinct. > > > Really? I just read about this very popular woman (can't remember her name) > who wants to run for president or something. A Commie. In France. Oh, I see... That damn Arlette Laguiller : she's running at least for the 4th or 5th time ! But she's not a commie, it's even worse, she's trotskist, and she still thinks that communism crimes around the world are only a detail... Really scary... She and her party are still considered as "sect" by the "Renseignements généraux", our kind of political police. The problem with commies in France is not their political power - they were crushed during the municipal elections - but they still have influence on some of the biggest trade-unions - especially the state employees' one. Result : each week, a new strike. This is no surprise : the French communist party was the thoughest (and most dumb) of western Europe... Tchao ! Guillaume Maerkerke The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Nick Brownlow [stabernide@netscape.net] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:12 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Robot with Eel's Brain http://www.iht.com/articles/17225.htm "The cyborg is no RoboCop, but it is a revolutionary experiment in combining a mechanical device with living tissue. The robot is controlled by an immature lamprey eel brain that was removed, kept alive in a special solution and attached to the palm-sized robot by wires so it can receive signals from the device's electronic eyes and send commands to move the machine." And the down side;- http://www.seanbaby.com/news/robots3.htm "Now that I have science's attention, I want to know why you assholes put the brain of an eel inside a robot. Why the only animal brain that instincively sucks blood and fires electricity? Why not the brain of something less dangerous like a fire-breathing crocodile or Joseph Stalin? " __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of R L [sushi_with_extra_rice@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:28 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: City of Darkness, please help >I don't know where you live, but I find that any home town has more than >enough shadows if you look hard enough. Oslo, Norway isn't exactly the worlds occult centre, but I see where you're coming from. We're (a couple of buds of mine and I) are planing a short movie with our home town as background (it's where we live damnit) with plothooks relating to norse mythology. So it's doable but I was looking for something more exotic this time around. Thanks anyway. Ron "The breath of the fluteplayer, does it belong to the flute?" -Rumi _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Juergen Hubert [snjuhube@pop.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:57 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Perdido Street Station (Was: Re: City of Darkness, please help) "David A. Farnell" wrote: > > From: "R L" > > -I need suggestions of what city to choose as background. > > It has to be a major city, and I would also appreciate pointers to > > where I can gather background info. > > List synchronicity strikes again, Ron-san. Today I started reading a *very* > interesting book, _Perdido Street Station_, by China Mieville. While the > city, New Crobuzon, is not one in our world, it otherwise matches all your > specifications. I've been thinking of New Crobuzon as either a Dreamlands > city, or perhaps a relatively stable neighborhood in Carcosa. It could also > work well in a near-future EndTimes campaign, or (better) in an > alternate-timeline campaign with steampunk elements. Of course, the novel > has plot hooks, setting out the wazoo (the city itself feels like a major > character), major characters, crime networks and government (the line > between the two is very blurry, but when is it not?), etc. With all the > aliens, thaumaturgical science, Remade criminals/victims, and other > SF/fantasy elements, it may be too wild for what you had in mind, but it's > worth a look for inspiration anyway. > > I'm not really far enough along in the book to decide what I think of the > story itself yet, but the setting's great for game purposes. Only thing that > annoys me: an important race is called the Garuda--bird-men named after the > creatures from Indian mythology. That's the same name I use for Byakhee in > my more-mundane Mythos tomes and in my fiction. Grr--makes me look like a > copycat. Heh, heh. I've read the book last year, and I couldn't agree more. And the protagonists make a _very_ good template for Mythos investigators (and they are investigating what could easily described as a Mythos threat) in a lot of ways, which you will see when you have finished it... ;-) The technology could be described as "advanced steampunk with scientific magic". And the city could certainly fit into the Dreamlands if you feel comfortable with dropping metropolises with nearly seven million inhabitants into it... Go read it. It has lots of details to inspire Mythos campaigns... - Juergen Hubert The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Juergen Hubert [snjuhube@pop.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 6:03 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: City of Darkness, please help R L wrote: > > >Do you need an American City? > > Not per se, although the advantage of te US is the mishmash of different > cultures, making the plotpossibilities almost endless. Well, Berlin has also _lots_ of immigrants from all corners of the world. Germany has had the most asylum seekers in Europe for most of the recent decades (and only recently passed that "award" to the UK), and the number of illegal immigrants is also staggering. Plus it has lots of juicy potential for leftovers from the Third Reich and the Cold War (the Fuehrer's Bunker, for example, is regularily paved over again as soon as someone accidentally digs it up...). And I am sure Eckhart could tell you more about the German criminal underworld... - Juergen Hubert The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 6:44 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Robot with Eel's Brain From: "Nick Brownlow" >>> "The cyborg is no RoboCop, but it is a revolutionary experiment in combining a mechanical device with living tissue. The robot is controlled by an immature lamprey eel brain that was removed, kept alive in a special solution and attached to the palm-sized robot by wires so it can receive signals from the device's electronic eyes and send commands to move the machine." <<< Synchronicity redux--I just ordered The Collected Short Stories of Cordwainer Smith--I remember him using the idea of animal brains controlling spacecraft and other machinery quite often. However, I know what a lamprey is, and I know what an eel is (heck, I ate an eel today), but what the heck is a lamprey eel? Anyway, this is the perfect line of research for building a cyborg body for that friend who got his brain put in a Mi-Go cannister. >>> "Now that I have science's attention, I want to know why you assholes put the brain of an eel inside a robot. Why the only animal brain that instincively sucks blood and fires electricity? Why not the brain of something less dangerous like a fire-breathing crocodile or Joseph Stalin? "<<< LOL--I found myself checking to make sure it wasn't the MiB writing this. Dave The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 6:29 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Birth aversion training On this subject, an interesting paper in Science Daily http://www.sciencedaily.com/print/2001/04/010424073740.htm Human genetic adaptations to industrialisation (and its unprecedented selective forces - contraceptives, no hunger, no disease) are apparently taking place as women *evolve* towards having more kids earlier. Genes, not just socialisation The Glove Cleaner New Research Confirms That Natural Selection Is Acting On The Current Human Population New evidence suggests that natural selection is leading women to have their first child at earlier ages. This is shown to be an inherited evolutionary change that is taking place despite the influence of social factors such as religion and education. The findings, by a team of British, Australian and American scientists, show for the first time that both genetic and social factors, such as religion and education, are having a profound effect on the timing of human reproduction. These factors are influencing human evolution to a greater extent than at any time in the pre-history of humans. The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Lee Williams [lee@grizz.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 7:19 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Debris egregore /lurk OFF/ The South African movie Dust Devil, whilst not precisely about a whirlwind of debris, has as its plot the African legend that the evil wind spirits can take on solid form and cause destruction and mayhem...recommended viewing I would say. Lee. /lurk ON/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Khorne To: Sent: 03 May 2001 12:29 Subject: Re: DG: Debris egregore > Australia aboriginal culture ascribes an entire identity to the dust devil, > which they beleive hides the passage of an onerous demon referred to as a > willy-willy. > The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Steven Ghouti [steven.yellowcab@wanadoo.fr] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 7:25 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: the CEA and what goes on there... Dave the valley under the Saclay plateau is indeed full of watery places... But what is the most distressing is the fact that around where I live there are a lot of radioactive hot spots left over from when Pierre and Marie Curie discovered radioactivity! The Curies lived 150m away and 200m from my home there's a place where they used to produce radioactive water, something very sought about in the 20's to "cure all ills" (sort of like a different version of Coca Cola...). So now there is a battle between local inhabitants and the town hall/State about why these hot spots had not been properly cleened up as they should have been and why the information was kept from the general public. So maybe I should also look out for the odd mutant? smelling also of fish? Man I got to move out of here! Steven The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:42 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: Karotechia Meaning Revealed! (was Re: DG: RE: Countdown returning) Greetings. Khorne calls it a "gammodion" and writes.... >Not to rain on anyone's parade, because this is all rather fascinating, but, >if I remember the timeline from the original Delta Green sourcebook >correctly (and I know I'll be corrected if I don't), the Karotechia were put >together after the Nazi party had congealed and adopted the reversed >gammodion as their symbol. Had the Karotechia come first, then you'd hear a >big "Amen" from me, but the Nazis chose the reversed hakenkreuz before there >were any Karotechia. But there was a Thule Society before there was a Nazi party, and it heavily influenced many Nazi choices. And the Thule guys were in contact with a number of similar organizations, including what was left of the Golden Dawn. And the Golden Dawn had its own implementation of the Enochian language, mutuated by Mathers (IIRC) from the Dee/Kelley manuscripts. So we could argue that while the "Karotechia" (as organized branch of the Party) is successive to the foundation of the Nazi party, while the Karotechia/Carortiachis as a subset of ideas, rituals and symbols floating in the occult background, was already there. But all this is speculation, of course. Be seeing you. Davide Mana Outlaw Calls it a Swastika when he sees one. Torino, Italy The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Bomias1@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 10:15 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: City of Darkness, please help In a message dated 5/4/01 5:30:25 AM Central Daylight Time, sushi_with_extra_rice@hotmail.com writes: << Oslo, Norway isn't exactly the worlds occult centre, but I see where you're coming from. So it's doable but I was looking for something more exotic this time around. >> But that's just the hell of this whole thing. From here in L.A. (Lower Alabama) Oslo, Norway seems pretty damn exotic to me. It's the "to me" part that is particular. To you Oslo is just the old homestead and there is never anything exotic about that. At the same time, the wilds of Alabama may seem pretty exotic to you; at least in a "Deliverance" sort of way. To me, its just home. The Thug Whisperer "Back off man! I'm a scientist." -----Peter Venkman The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 11:02 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Robot with Eel's Brain On 4 May, 2001, stabernide@netscape.net (Nick Brownlow) reported: >http://www.iht.com/articles/17225.htm > >"The cyborg is no RoboCop, but it is a revolutionary experiment in >combining a mechanical device with living tissue. The robot is controlled >by an immature lamprey eel brain that was removed, kept alive in a special >solution and attached to the palm-sized robot by wires so it can receive >signals from the device's electronic eyes and send commands to move the >machine." I noticed the story is from Chicago... Is it a coincidence that one of the last surviving WWII German U-Boats is in Chicago? (Of course, the U-505 is permanently ashore, but it would be available to serve as a training aid for the brain-in-a-box...) Also, Lake Michigan is adjacent for various test runs once a suitable seaworthy sub is procured for the lamphrey... It is probably too early to check on mysterious sinkings in the area.:) > >And the down side;- > >http://www.seanbaby.com/news/robots3.htm > >"Now that I have science's attention, I want to know why you assholes put >the brain of an eel inside a robot. Why the only animal brain that >instincively sucks blood and fires electricity? Why not the brain of >something less dangerous like a fire-breathing crocodile or Joseph Stalin? >" Because they are easier to obtain, and still deadly enough for the Mad Scientists' purposes? The type of brain gives us a clue as to the body they actually plan to put the eel brain in, once these small preliminary experiments are finished. A nuclear submarine could (in theory) be suitably automated for control by an eel brain. (I'm suggesting a nuclear sub rather than a diesel one, so there would be no worries about refueling... Even a depleted reactor core could still give an SSN performance in excess of any diesel boat!) One problem undersea pirates frequently face is the recruiting of suitable crewmembers, and, in modern times, the pay of a submarine crew can add up to a considerable sum! Also, one of the major limitations on a modern submarine, now that the nuclear powerplant affords effectively indefinite range, is the crew. Men must be fed, and even the 60 to 90 day patrols of SSBNs are seen as a long time to be at sea. With no crew, the problems of provisioning and crew morale disappear! True, there are still some expendable items (such as torpedoes and cruise missiles) that would need to be replenished during wartime, but a submarine crewed only by an eel brain would still be able to spend considerably more time underway than any human-crewed counterpart! Thus, the development of the cyborg SSN, controlled by the brain of an eel! The source of the sub would depend on the Mad Scientists' government connections. While a new submarine could be built for the project, this would cost a large sum, and consume valuable time, as well as not being easy to hide. A more cost-effective solution, especially for a non-government organization (such as an illegal conspiracy):), or one which wants to get the project to sea in minimum time, would be to use an existing hull which her original owners no longer need. With the experiments in Chicago, the Mad Scientists of this project are presumably American... While most of the US submarines of the "Sturgeon" class, for example, have been sent to the shipbreakers (officially the "Submarine Recycling Program") at Puget Sound, a clique with the right connections might have been able to divert one of these boats, with the official records still indicating she had been scrapped. (There was even a "Sturgeon" class boat with an appropriate name for the eel-brain program -- USS "Sea Devil" (SSN-664) (http://www.subnet.com/fleet/ssn664.jpg), deactivated October of 1991!) The added weight of the automation systems and torpedo room autoloader equipment would be far less than the weight saved in provisions. The comment on "shooting electricity" is interesting, as the brain is that of a lamphrey eel, which is not (IIRC) an electric fish. Still, if appropriate precautions are taken ("Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" glossed over the effects to electrical-equipment grounding, current surge damage, accidental explosion of torpedo fuel or even warheads, etc., when one electrifies a submarine hull), an electric attack could serve as a backup to the more usual torpedo armament, and a deterrent to Deep Ones, Sea Serpents, etc. If an ex-USN sub is unavailable to serve as a body for the eel brain, the Russians could probably sell an appropriate used SSN to the Mad Scientists. (One possibility here is one of those November class boats with the poor radiation shielding... The Mad Scientists could protect the eel brain with point shielding about its box.) Another possible source (especially for PISCES) might be the Royal Navy, which retired its older "Valiant" class SSNs during the 1990s. So, the eel brain experiment indicates that the underwater counterpart of the infamous Pirate Robot Blimps may soon be going to sea -- the Pirate Cyborg U-Boats! And don't worry, kiddies! The fire-breathing crocodile and Joseph Stalin will have their day! Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 11:15 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Robot with Eel's Brain On 4 May, 2001, "Michael Layne" said: >(There was even a >"Sturgeon" class boat with an appropriate name for the eel-brain program -- >USS "Sea Devil" (SSN-664) (http://www.subnet.com/fleet/ssn664.jpg), >deactivated October of 1991!) One correction to the above data: That URL for the "Sea Devil" should be: http://www.subnet.com/fleet/ssn664.htm! Sorry! Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Popeyesays@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 12:07 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Debris egregore Glove Cleaner, I assume you are aware of the Robert Heinlein story where a dust devil plays a central role. Named "Kitten" it is instrumental in providing evidence of corruption on the part of city officials. I like them being revenge spirits, but I would allow them to become very old and self-willed under the right circumstances. They would be capricious (the self-willed ones) but not necessarily malicious. From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 11:41 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Debris egregore ----- Original Message ----- From: Popeyesays@aol.com >> I assume you are aware of the Robert Heinlein story where a >> dust devil plays a central role. Named "Kitten" No, never heard of it. I will look it up - sounds like the early, tight, good, Heinlein .. <<>> The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of John Peralta [johnnype@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 1:09 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: DG fiction? I need something to read on the bus. Can anyone recommend some kind of DG-related fiction? I've read Alien Intelligence a short while ago. I'd like something along those lines. I should also confess that I'm not very familiar with most of the Cthulhu stories. Should I read those, and if so which ones? Any help would be greatly appreciated. John Peralta __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 1:38 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: RE: HTML (was Re: Tim Coram) Gil Trevizo schrieb: [snip] > But this is no excuse for people using aol and the like. I know of at > least two folks using aol address that regularly post HTML. > > It's not a big thing for me. Eudora loads them fine, and as I'm not > archiving for the Ice Cave anymore, it's not something I need worry > about. But it is in the FAQ and it is a part of basic Netiquette. And it sucks. My email-software does not support html. Therefore I only get a blank email with the whole bloody post in an attachment. And even though this might seem paranoid: I do not open any attachments that I get from mailing lists. BTW: The good tradition of trimming posts has as well been ignored way too often in the last few weeks [ KHORNE [ among others ]! Please trim your quotes! ECKHARD The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Khorne [khorne@cyberlink.bc.ca] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 12:27 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Debris egregore I dunno. My exposure to the windigo myths has always been of the native american variety, which are rather precise on what the windigo is. I find it difficult to shoehorn a wind being into that cosmology. I've had enough troubles with Ithaqua, and even postulated that Ithaqua himself encountered the true windigo, and now acts like a front man for it. The windigo is bad mojo, not bad breath, to me. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Cowger To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Date: Friday, May 04, 2001 12:06 AM Subject: Re: DG: Debris egregore >Bing! Wendigo spirit. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Khorne" >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 6:29 AM >Subject: Re: DG: Debris egregore > > >> Australia aboriginal culture ascribes an entire identity to the dust >devil, >> which they beleive hides the passage of an onerous demon referred to as a >> willy-willy. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Andy Robertson >> To: dgrpg@delta-green.com >> Date: Thursday, May 03, 2001 2:16 PM >> Subject: Re: DG: Debris egregore >> >> >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: >> > >> >> << A creature or dispossessed entity controlling at most a 10X10 mass >of >> >> small debris. Debris=small stick, rock shards, torn up issues of Screw, >> >beer >> >> bottles, etc, ect. >> >> > >> > >> >It's true that dust-devils - small whirlwinds - seem to have a sort of >> life. >> >Anciently Spirit = soul = "wind, breath". That's what I thought of when >I >> >first read of this - a sort of wild wind-demon, gone to the big city, and >> >gone bad. >> > >> > The Glove Cleaner >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ >> > >> > >> >> The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ >> > >The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > > The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Kelly, Sean [SKelly@PinpointTech.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 2:58 PM To: 'dgrpg@delta-green.com' Subject: DG: RE: DG fiction? Read some HPL if you haven't done so before! Of course the Call of Cthulhu, At the Mountains of Madness, The Dunwich Horror, The Shadow Out of Time, The Colour Out of Space, The Shadow Over Innsmouth and so on and so on. If your local library has any HPL anthology, check it out. It should have most of these and more. If not, most bookstores have anthologies of his stuff, and they vary a little from edition to edition, but most have the best of his work. Nothing like reading the classics to get a good foundation for where CoC and DG are coming from. Just my opinion ;-) Sean Kelly John Peralta wrote: >I need something to read on the bus. I >should also confess that I'm not very familiar with >most of the Cthulhu stories. Should I read those, >and if so which ones? The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 2:27 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: RE: DG fiction? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly, Sean" To: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:57 PM In my opinion (and Steven's) Algis Budrys' classic novel ROGUE MOON has the pure spirit of Mythos/DG fiction. It is marketed as SF, not horror, and I don't think Budrys intended any Mythos reference, but I think he is standing in the same place Lovecraft stood. The Glove Cleaner The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Sylvain Clément [sylvain.clement@wanadoo.fr] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 3:24 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: DG fiction? JPeralta asks > I need something to read on the bus. Can anyone > recommend some kind of DG-related fiction? I've read > Alien Intelligence a short while ago. I'd like > something along those lines. I should also confess > that I'm not very familiar with most of the Cthulhu > stories. Should I read those, and if so which ones? Between traditional HPL or CASmith stories and purestrain DG texts, I recommend modern-day cthuloid fiction like the one published by Chaosium. "The Shub-Niggurath Cycle", "Cthulhu's Heirs" and their dozen+ siblings contain stories of various quality and scope, but gems are to be found there (humorous things by Robert Price, a few by Wilum Pugmire ...). Although, of course, I rank texts like "An item of mutual interest" amongst the best cthuloid fiction published. Sylvain Clément The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Bruce Harada [bruce@ask.ne.jp] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 4:19 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: DG fiction? On Fri, 4 May 2001 11:09:27 -0700 (PDT) John Peralta wrote: > I need something to read on the bus. Can anyone > recommend some kind of DG-related fiction? It's not Mythos, and it has its flaws, but in the sense that it's a spy novel with supernatural themes, Tim Powers' 'Declare' might be an interesting read for those who enjoy DG-related fiction. (Amazon link below.) I read it about a year ago, and I think I'm almost ready to read it again, now that time has blunted my memory of the details. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0380976528/qid=989008683/sr=1-1/ref=sc_b_2/103-5347925-1548612 Other than that, you might like to pick up a collection of Mythos-related short stories; there's plenty around, and many of them include stories from modern authors, as well as the "traditional" ones. Bruce The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:12 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: DG fiction? On Fri, 4 May 2001 11:09:27 -0700 (PDT) John Peralta wrote: > I need something to read on the bus. Can anyone > recommend some kind of DG-related fiction? I've read > Alien Intelligence a short while ago. I'd like > something along those lines. I should also confess > that I'm not very familiar with most of the Cthulhu > stories. Should I read those, and if so which ones? Best of H.P. Lovecraft : Bloodcurdling Tales of Horror and the Macabre (Del Rey; ISBN: 0345350804) This volume collects 16 classic tales, including The Call of Cthulhu The Shadow Over Innsmouth The Dunwich Horror The Colour Out of Space The Shadow Out of Time The Whisperer In The Darkness The Picture In The House The Outsider Pickman's Model In The Vault The Silver Key The Music Of Erich Zann The Haunter Of The Dark The Thing On The Doorstep The Dreams In The Witch-House The Rats in the Walls A good price for damn near one-stop shopping. Mark McFadden The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/