From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 4:49 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: FIAWOL (wasRe: [DG] Re: California, Cokaine, and the land of red-dye-wood) Now we know why they deemed shogoths essential.... >I know i will regret this... >But , if you need some book to take your fix of SciFi , you can hang arround >undernet irc , and go to the #bookz channel... a net of friendlies >once there , just ask Thanks for the pointer. So far, standard channels (both analogue and digital) have so far kept me well read and my VISA card one small step from annihilation. But I'll save your pointer for those gray, sad days.... Thanks! [now I stop this absolutely off-topic thread, oh yes] Davide Mana needs more hours to read and a job to pay for books Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 3:18 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: FIAWOL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Davide Mana" > Reamy himself - died young after a short but highly promising career > (bagged a Campbell award the year before he died, five times Nebula > nominated), had only one novel published postumously, Ellison lamenting his > demise etc - makes for a great campaign hook. I take it we are interested not so much in SF as the sort of para-SF writing that has DG applicability. Tom Reamy, yes. And while we are at it, have a look at Jack Dann's JUNCTION. And more in from my Friendlies about the California Sorcerers http://www.rodserling.com/csorcerers.htm The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Shoggoth [root@shoggoth.net.dhis.org] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 4:26 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: FIAWOL (wasRe: [DG] Re: California, Cokaine, and the land of red-dye-wood) El Domingo 05 Agosto 2001 23:18, escribiste: > Cheers. > I know i will regret this... But , if you need some book to take your fix of SciFi , you can hang arround undernet irc , and go to the #bookz channel... a net of friendlies once there , just ask _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 4:19 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: FIAWOL (wasRe: [DG] Re: California, Cokaine, and the land of red-dye-wood) Cheers. Hard-liners in the I-was-a-science-fiction-fan-before-they-dubbed-it-scifi contingent are running rampage on the list. So, why not join them? Screw the X-Files, gimme a stack of old Galaxy.... > > Yes, science fiction: there was a time when the > > fantastic was the only literature, you know. Nowadays we are despised > > nerds, but in those days kings read us and men actually went out and found > > new worlds. > > It was worse before the present of being despised nerds. There was a time >(when men were men) when there was damn little science fiction or fantasy to >be found. Kid, I'm writing you from a country in which much is still that way - or worse. Science fiction and fantasy are childish and devoid of any redeeming feature. While mystery novels and (more slowly) comics are acquiring some kind of recognition, the whole field of sf/fantasy is still regarded as cheap entertainment for retards. As luck would have it, just this morning (and no kidding) I left a stack of half a dozen novels (Cheryh, Vance, Brunner et al) in a bookstore, having been insulted by the shop assistant about the worth of my prospect purchase _and_ my intelligence for reading science fiction. Or to be more explicit, the brainless girl had the excellent commercial idea of asking out loud about "What kind of moron would read this shit" (and keeping harping about "such worthless crap" for about ten minutes solid), while I was two meters away, picking more books (I was about bagging ten of them!) > On the other hand, I'm working on some DG interpretations (via Kilroy, >natch) of the band of "California" writers that came to be known as The >Group or The Green Hand. The doomed Charles Beaumont was their leader and >Rod Serling financed them. Harlan Ellison was from the last generation of >The Group. > Incidentally, most were Lovecraft fans and "honorary" members include Ray >Bradbury and Robert Bloch. Not forgetting Tom Reamy (1935-1977), whose short (and weird) fiction was collected in "San Diego Lightfoot Sue and Other Stories" (ISBN: 093512800X). Reamy himself - died young after a short but highly promising career (bagged a Campbell award the year before he died, five times Nebula nominated), had only one novel published postumously, Ellison lamenting his demise etc - makes for a great campaign hook. You get his bibliography at http://www.sfsite.com/isfdb-bin/pbiblio.cgi?Tom_Reamy Just a suggestion, of course. Davide Mana science fiction reader from the age of 9 Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 3:57 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] DG schools that go boom in the night (was Quiet... Too Quiet) --- Graeme Price schrieb: > Is it just me, or is the new DGML far too quiet. I > mean there's bound to be > someone out there... isn't there? > > On a more topical note, Auntie is reporting the > following story: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1474000/1474631.s > tm > > Evidence of the end times or an example of what > happens when Green Boxes go > bad? I was particularly interested/worried by the > comment: > > "Officials said a madman was responsible for that > blast, but some parents of > victims said their children had been forced to make > illegal explosives at > the school." > > OK, so perhaps I _did_ make illegal explosives when > I was at school, but I > was never _forced_ to. I know that there's call for > a broad curriculum, but > that's taking things a bit far! afaik producing fireworks is a way to earn some cash for the seriously underfunded chinese schools. festus __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Graeme Price [graemep@immagene.MCG.EDU] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 3:49 PM To: Delta Green Mailing List Subject: [DG] DG: Quiet... Too Quiet Is it just me, or is the new DGML far too quiet. I mean there's bound to be someone out there... isn't there? On a more topical note, Auntie is reporting the following story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1474000/1474631.s tm Evidence of the end times or an example of what happens when Green Boxes go bad? I was particularly interested/worried by the comment: "Officials said a madman was responsible for that blast, but some parents of victims said their children had been forced to make illegal explosives at the school." OK, so perhaps I _did_ make illegal explosives when I was at school, but I was never _forced_ to. I know that there's call for a broad curriculum, but that's taking things a bit far! Graeme -- graemep@immag.mcg.edu _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 6:06 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: California Sorcery ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Lizard King" > > Ah yes, my poor dispirited brethren. Obviously, your present leadership has > let you down. Perhaps you will be more receptive to *my* plans now, > mwahahahahaha. Hmmmmm > Imagine generating enthusiasm for "Logan's Run" because it wasn't *bad*. > Now that's work. Bin there, done that. > On the other hand, I'm working on some DG interpretations (via Kilroy, > natch) of the band of "California" writers that came to be known as The > Group or The Green Hand. The doomed Charles Beaumont was their leader and > Rod Serling financed them. Harlan Ellison was from the last generation of > The Group. > Incidentally, most were Lovecraft fans and "honorary" members include Ray > Bradbury and Robert Bloch. Never heard of this grouping. I thought you were being, um, imaginative, so I put my Friendlies to work on it: they came up with a review of the book CALIFORNIA SORCERY http://www.sfsite.com/06a/cs105.htm Which maybe you know about anyhow. So there we go. I learn something every day. I surely agree that those writers had a particular and unique vibe. Beaumont, Bloch, Bradbury, Ellison, Matheson. Hmmmm. And I guess Tim Powers would be a modern-day sucessor, at least in his "Dinner at Deviant's Palace" phase. Hmmmm. I don't want to repot whatever tender plant is growing in the strange soil inside your head, but a quick take on this: 1) SF is really a hypostatising of the European expansion, colonisation, and exploration into the rest of the world, projected into space and a hopeful future. 2) So when that wave reached the Pacific and stopped expanding, SF, kid brother of the Western, had to change into something else, turn inward, turn wierd. Maybe? DG relevance? Let's wait and see. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nick Brownlow [stabernide@netscape.net] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 4:12 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Good to be back My God, my life was a barren, desolate place without the DGML. Let's make sure this never happens again, OK? ;) cheers, Nick __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 3:34 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: California, Cokaine, and the land of red-dye-wood ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Robertson" I don't know who it was, but there was some loose talk about B*ll Ga**s just > before the hammer came down.. Bull Ganns!!! I *hate* that guy. He's a messer-with of dogs from way back. Well, I was going to let him slide on the attempts to immanentize the Eschaton and bring about the Endtimes and all, but if he's going to mess with the DGML he's on the fightin' side of me. That's it Bull, the gloves are off! This time, it's personal. Somebody dial 9-1-1. Mark "Anti-hero" McFadden Coming This Summer To A Theater Near You _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 3:23 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: California, Cokaine, and the land of red-dye-wood ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Robertson" > Damn. You come back and find us crippled, castrated, and nine-tenths dead. > Never mind the DGML, I'm not feeling too chipper meself. They waited till > you were away: they picked the right time. Ah yes, my poor dispirited brethren. Obviously, your present leadership has let you down. Perhaps you will be more receptive to *my* plans now, mwahahahahaha. > Yes, science fiction: there was a time when the > fantastic was the only literature, you know. Nowadays we are despised > nerds, but in those days kings read us and men actually went out and found > new worlds. It was worse before the present of being despised nerds. There was a time (when men were men) when there was damn little science fiction or fantasy to be found. When Star Trek was cutting edge and Star Wars was still a novel in little Georgie Lucas's head. No sci-fi in a section at Borders, just used paperback copies of "Rod Serling Presents Stories From The Twilight Zone." Despised nerds? I wish. Try proto-Unabomber. It used to be *work* to be a sci-fi fan. You had to develop a heavy gorge to sit through the crap that was technically sci-fi and generate some enthusiasm so that someone might try sci-fi again some year. Imagine generating enthusiasm for "Logan's Run" because it wasn't *bad*. Now that's work. On the other hand, I'm working on some DG interpretations (via Kilroy, natch) of the band of "California" writers that came to be known as The Group or The Green Hand. The doomed Charles Beaumont was their leader and Rod Serling financed them. Harlan Ellison was from the last generation of The Group. Incidentally, most were Lovecraft fans and "honorary" members include Ray Bradbury and Robert Bloch. > You are lucky, or unlucky, that you don't live among places named Laputa, > Brobdignag, Atlantis, Poseidonis, or the Hesperidies. Well, I get to go to Arcadia to watch the horse races. Then I hop on a boat or take the chopper for a day in Avalon on Catalina. Does that count? Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 11:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: California, Cokaine, and the land of red-dye-wood ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Lizard King" > California is Aztlan melded with Avalon, and it > all began with the Magi of Persia, before the birth of Christ. Damn. You come back and find us crippled, castrated, and nine-tenths dead. Never mind the DGML, I'm not feeling too chipper meself. They waited till you were away: they picked the right time. I don't know who it was, but there was some loose talk about B*ll Ga**s just before the hammer came down.. ----- ***** ----- So it's Garcia Ordonez de Montalvo, is it? I have a friend who likes to point out that California is the first place in the world named after a Science Fiction story. Yes, science fiction: there was a time when the fantastic was the only literature, you know. Nowadays we are despised nerds, but in those days kings read us and men actually went out and found new worlds. The Oddessy (sp? have to be careful, I never can stop spelling that) and all that junk are Science Ficton for their day. The novel, the story of ordinary people, came later. That's why it's called novel, new. Excuse me, wrong mailing list. ------ ****** ---- America is overlaid with the dreams of the people of the Atlantic coast. Hy-Braseal, the land of red-dye-wood, one of the Islands of the Blest, became Brasil. The magical city of Cokaine was located elsewhere, in a powder, not a place. You are lucky, or unlucky, that you don't live among places named Laputa, Brobdignag, Atlantis, Poseidonis, or the Hesperidies. The Glove Cleaner, not feeling too well _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Farnell [daf@fukuoka-u.ac.jp] Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 11:24 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Lost message repost (was Re: No wonder) From: > I re-subscribed today, but that was because I went away. Did the list crash > or something in the last 5 weeks? Yes, the Night of the Long Tweezers took out Agents Alphonse and Christopher--I think Andrea is running things now, so watch your netiquette! No, seriously, we just changed servers and there were some technical difficulties, causing the list to go down for a few days. I think Shane is planning to send out an invite to all those on the old subscription list. And, here is a post I sent that never got here due to the Crash: From: "Nick Brownlow" >>> John Carpenter was on a panel at the SDCC talking about his new film Ghosts of Mars, when he was asked about doing a film based on a Lovecraft story;- "I can't get anybody to make HP Lovecraft. I've talked about it with studios, I've talked about it for TV movies, nobody gets it - nobody gets him". <<< He said much the same in his interview in Migliore and Strysik's _The Lurker in the Lobby: A Guide to the Cinema of HP Lovecraft_ (Armitage House, ISBN 1-887797-15-7). There, he also mentions the idea of doing a miniseries of HPL TV-movies, which sounds like a great idea to me. What he meant by "nobody gets it" is that the suits, the studio execs, the ones who put their stamp on the project and give him the money, don't get it. And if they don't get it, we don't get to see it. And while I do believe that a lot of regular folks also don't get Lovecraft (a lot of people just don't like horror, and of the ones who do, a lot prefer squickie horror over atmospheric horror), I don't think he was referring to the general run of humanity in that statement. (Sorry for the delayed reply, but I had the book in my office--part of the series of books I've ordered for the university library in order to turn Fukuoka University into the top HPL research center in Japan--mwahahahahaaa!) Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Machiavelli132@aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 10:29 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] No wonder I re-subscribed today, but that was because I went away. Did the list crash or something in the last 5 weeks? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of david wienecke [dwienecke@usa.net] Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 10:08 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Fwd: [] List From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of david wienecke [dwienecke@usa.net] Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 10:07 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] No wonder No wonder things are so quiet. There are only 40 people who re-subscribed to the list out of 300+. MJ12 must have compromised someone at the top we seem to have experienced 80% fatality rate. Or folks are on holiday... Dave W _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 8:34 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Musings on Joshua Norton For those of you hip to the doings of the Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico, and those who've heard the name and title bandied about and wondered what the hoopla was about, I've found a great online resource. http://www.notfrisco.com/colmatales/norton/norton2.html * Rant On (Note the pathetic attempt by Friscans to avoid their True Name. I'll drop the Frisco when y'all call my town by the proper title, "El Pueblo de la Reina de Los Angeles" and not a moment sooner. LA is either Louisiana or a cool location in the Dreamlands.) * Rant Off Joshua Norton's sad and glorious history is covered, including Mark Twain's recollections (Joshua Norton was the inspiration for the Dauphin in "Huckleberry Finn"). Twain "excoriated Colonel Mustard for ridiculing the Emperor in his syndicated columns." Colonel Mustard? I thought he was in the Drawing Room with a lead pipe. I was pleased to note that the city gave an elaborate funeral for one of the Emperor's dogs. Maybe I'll lighten up on the "Frisco" digs. To tell of Norton is to also tell of the other street characters of the time, also written-up in the papers and a staple of cartoonists. Willie Coombs aka George Washington II A small-time phrenologist who almost made it big as Norton's chief rival. Early reports by Colonel Moustache spoke of both them as crowning glories of the city's indigent population. Coombs, a native of New York, walked through the city, carrying a banner and wearing a tricorn hat over his long powdered hair. Herbert Ashbury says that he wore a Continental uniform of tanned buckskin. A plump little man, he was confident of his comeliness and touted himself via the banner, posters, and his own voice as The Great Matrimonial Candidate. The Great Unknown San Franciscans wondered about the strange, tall man who they saw walking every day and they called him The Great Unknown. Tailor Wilhelm Frohm himself did not know he was the subject of conversation for some time. When he found out, he tried to capitalize on his fame by renting a hall and selling tickets for the opportunity to meet him and find out who he was. Only one reporter showed and by the next morning, all of San Francisco knew the identity of the mysterious man in black. The King of Pain I'll never hear The Police the same. The King of Pain told those who bought the liniment he sold outside the Pacific Clinical Infirmary that if they covered their bodies with the ointment as he did, they would need no clothes. He himself wore a bright red union suit, a heavy velour robe, a ostrich-feathered plug hat, and a heavy sword. As he grew wealthier from the sales of his aconite ointment, he bought himself a coal-black coach and six snow-white horses to draw it. He lost it all at the gaming tables and ended his life a suicide. The Little Drummer Boy This little fellow appears in many of Ed Jump's caricatures, which also feature the likes of Willie Coombs, the Emperor Norton, the Great Unknown, and many other early San Francisco street characters. The author spent many fruitless weeks trying to find who this little guy was. Then, in a musty file at the San Francisco Archives, he discovered the truth: Jump had made him up because he figured Emperor Norton needed a drummer. Quite a collection. No doubt about it, San Francisco had some weird mojo workin'. >From http://www.notfrisco.com/colmatales/norton/norton2.html : "Let us go back to the beginning of Norton's lunacy and reverse the wheels of our consideration. The date is September 17, 1859, a day of mourning in the City. The town has hung black crepe and gathered in Portsmouth Square to listen to E.D. Baker's eulogy of Senator David Broderick, felled by the bullet of David S. Terry. Slavery and states rights have led to bloodshed. The odd man who many have seen walking the streets mounts the stairs of the Bulletin and announces to the reporter he finds there that he has a solution for the nation's troubles: he will be its Emperor. How very simple! Just say the words and it is done! Many wished for the power to right the nation's wrongs and set it back on the course of peace again. The reporter knows that it is not so easy, but Lord knows this town -- battered as it was through the 1850s by the fires, the riots, the lynchings, and now this assassination -- needs a laugh. The next day the Bulletin prints the Emperor's first proclamation under the question "Have We an Emperor Among Us?"" Check http://www.notfrisco.com/colmatales/broderick/index.html for the history of Senator David Broderick. Here are the salient details: He was a stone cutter and son of a stone cutter. His father worked on the nation's capitol building. He was a fireman. He was a ward boss for the Tammany machine in New York, but abruptly left for California. Secret honor? When he got involved in California politics, the big question was whether California would be a free or slave-holding state. The Southern Chivalrist's were attempting to stack the deck in the usual ways, ways that had led to Bloody Kansas earlier. They imported instant voters, had Enemies Lists (Broderick was at the top of the list), bribed and had a jolly old time with the budget. "In Senator David Broderick, who believed that all men deserved a fair wage for their labor, the Californian Chivalrists had an enemy. In his colleague, Senator William Gwin, they had a pawn. The Federal Customs House in San Francisco was known as "the Virginia poor house" because of all the Gwin men who held positions there." Tension, apprehension and dissension have begun. "The admission of Kansas gave the Chivalrists the opportunity to tear open the chest of the nation and hold it's democratic heart hostage. Though Kansas voters clearly rejected the constitution proposed by slavery proponents, Democratic President James Buchanan, who might be termed a Southerner with a Pennsylvania accent and breeding, sought to get Kansas admitted under the unpopular Lecomptom Constitution. Senator Stephen A. Douglas of Illinois was the first Democratic Senator to rise in opposition to his own party and he was soon joined by others, including Senator Broderick." California Supreme Court Justice David S. Terry took to libeling Broderick. He was too genteel to resort to calling an opponent a "nigger-lover", but that was the thrust of most of his quotes. He opined that Broderick was a follower of Douglas; not Stephen A. Douglas, but Frederick. It should be noted that "Colonel Mustard" tried to defame Samuel Clemens by stating that Clemens had been seen walking arm-in-arm with Mary Pleasants, a black businesswoman. * Rant On I would like to start a modern campaign of slander by calling certain politicos "honky-lovers" and showing them again and again sucking-up to white businessmen. I can't wait until Dubya gets pressured into publicly saying "many of my closest friends are black" and doing photo ops with rappers. Colin Powell doesn't count because no real black man would allow himself to be named for the alimentary canal. Jesus, can't he even pronounce it Collin so I don't get the image of a talking sphincter as the Secretary of State? * Rant Off So, the libel continued, politics got weird, tension built and finally the pro-slave forces were able to claim that Broderick had besmirched some reputations. Terry issued the challenge. The champion of "law and order" challenged the protector of the democratic process to an illegal duel. "Broderick's seconds won the choice of position. The Senator positioned himself with his back to the sun, which making an effort to present itself through the mists that covered San Bruno Mountain to the east. Terry's seconds secured for him the choice of weapons and he chose a pair of oddly-shaped, ornate French pistols which he had brought along for the occassion. He had been practising with these for several months prior to his making of the challenge. The gunsmith who loaded the weapons later testified that the pistol which was assigned to David Broderick had a hair trigger. He claimed to have warned the Senator's seconds of this flaw. They denied this." Due to the hair trigger, Broderick's gun went off prematurely and he stood unarmed to receive Terry's shot. Terry didn't miss. As he was taken away, dying, Broderick said "They have killed me because I was opposed to a corrupt administration and the extension of slavery." Now, maybe those words weren't what he actually said, but that is what the people of California believed. His death got California off of the fence and they came down solidly for abolition. The cause of slavery in California essentially died with Senator Broderick. The voters were disgusted with the Chivalrist tactics and there were a few hasty departures from the state, some with tar. Which brings us to September 17, 1859. The city of San Francisco was in mourning, thousands gathered to hear the eulogy by E.D. Baker and mourn the loss of a great man. Joshua Norton woke up from the depression that followed his bankruptcy and life on the streets, seen by those who knew him as a successful businessman. Norton went to the newspaper office and made his proclamation. The editor printed it because he was depressed and felt the city could use a laugh. The rest is history, or something like it. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 5:38 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] What I Did On My Summer Vacation Well gang, I'm back. I puttered around Sacramento and Shasta County with my antennae up and this is what I saw: First up, Mount Shasta. When I was a lad I was sent to the Boy Scout National Jamboree at Lake Pend Oreille in Idaho. We took over a week to drive up from LA, hitting every scenic vista and National Park on the way. We spent an evening in Weed, CA camping on a high school football field with Shasta looming over us. It pretty much (as I remember it) took up the whole horizon. It reeks of profundity. From http://www.mountshastamagazine.com/ms_mystique/ : "Few people know that the author, James Hilton, was inspired in his vision by a visit to Mount Shasta. As he crossed the Siskiyou Mountains, coming down from Ashland, he beheld glacier clad Mount Shasta and the serene valley at its base, bounded by stunning mountains on nearly every side. As he descended into the Shasta Valley in the neighborhood of Yreka, he met friendly, peaceful people, and his vision of Shangri-La took substance." Was James Hilton dreaming? Or, was he perceiving something which actually exists in some other dimension, some other time ? He is not alone in his inspiration. Many others have had similar visions on visiting the area. Some have seen white columned temples resembling the Parthenon on the slopes of the Mountain, or been visited while camping on the Mountain by tall beings in long robes who spoke of an ancient race who lived on the far side of Mount Shasta, from where they journeyed out into the world on missions of guidance, peace and healing. According to Pearl, a long time resident of the area who introduced me to the teachings of the Ascended Masters, there was a story in the San Francisco Chronicle that told of half a dozen men in violet robes crossing the San Francisco Bay on the ferry, walking through town to the mayors office, and delivering a prophecy of a great earthquake that would devastate that city if people did not live more moral lives. The mayor had said, "Who will believe me, and how do I know you speak the truth?" One of the tall beings leaned over and drew his finger across the mayors desk, effortlessly leaving a deep groove in the wood. "Who are you, and where do you come from?" asked the mayor. "We come from a colony on the slopes of Mount Shasta," was the reply, and they departed as they had come, back across the bay. For many years that groove remained on the mayors desk, a reminder of the words that foreshadowed the event to come." At http://www.divinerevelation.org/MountShasta.html there is info on a spiritual retreat. What I found interesting is that all of the other retreats are in the Himalayas. Found at http://www.treehaus.addr.com/matthew/ : "Welcome to the Mountain of Paradise...welcome to California, the Unseelie Kingdom of America. California has an undeserved reputation for strangeness. People on the East Coast snicker at Californians as fruits and nuts, referring in no small part to those people who have escaped to the West Coast in order to be free to pursue ideals or lifestyles outside the narrowly defined 'norm' of America. What people don't realize is that California is no odder than any other part of the country, exactly...it's just that the rules of reality run a little widdershins there. California is the remnant of a magical experiment, heir to the fantastic energies of the Native People of the American Continents welded to the visionary mysticism of men like Lope de Vega, Cervantes, and Garcia Ordonez de Montalvo. California is Aztlan melded with Avalon, and it all began with the Magi of Persia, before the birth of Christ. "Rollant, my friend, fair youth that bar'st the bell, When I arrive at Aix, in my Chapelle, Men coming there will ask what news I tell; I'll say to them: `Marvellous news and fell. My nephew's dead, who won for me such realms!' Against me then the Saxon will rebel, Hungar, Bulgar, and many hostile men, Romain, Puillain, all those are in Palerne, And in Affrike, and those in Califerne The Song of Roland, Lines 2915-2924, Translated by Charles Scott Moncrief "In 1510, Spain was a rising power, its domination of the new source of gold and slaves swelling its influence over Europe. At that time, Garcia Ordonez de Montalvo wrote a book entitled Las Sergas del Esplandian, which portrayed a magic island named California swarming with griffins and Amazons who were rather loose with their affections. It resonated with an earlier work by the English Knight Sir John Mandeville, the infamous Travels, which portrayed the Amazons as living between modern Azerbaijan and Persia, in the mountains on the Silk Road to India. Now, why would Montalvo (yes, again, the name derives from mountain) displace the Amazons? Because the very mountains they lived amidst were the mountains of Alamut, where the Persian paradise resides. In magick, transference is a powerful tool, especially when attempting to create a bond between the Old World and the New. But while the School of Night would later seek to conquer the magic of the natives with their own, the people of the Californian Conspiracy were after synergy. They wanted to fuse the power of the old with the new. In California today, Mount Shasta stands as a monument to the old merging with the new. Hollow Earth enthusiasts believe it to be where the Agarthan Secret Masters ascend to speak to select humans. The Heaven's Gate Cult thought it was where the Hale Bopp aliens would land to pick them up. The native tribes called it Wyreka, the 'Mountain to the North.' From Lemurians to aliens to Gitche Manitou to Bigfoot sightings, Mount Shasta's seen it all. In 1934 (the same year that Flash Gordon was blasting off to Mongo, oddly enough) Guy Warren Ballard published Unveiled Mysteries, wherein he alleged that he met a mysterious old man on the mountain (a Sheik-al-gabal, perhaps) who gave him a 'creamy liquid to drink' and then revealed himself to be the Comte de Saint Germaine...the supposed immortal magus of indeterminate origins who seems to have had a hand in everything from Transylvanian succession (a lot of mountains in Transylvania) to the mystical education of Cagliostro, the Masonic Master (and possible con man) who was born Guiseppe Balsamo, and who may or may not have taught Thomas Jefferson how to transmigrate his soul. As you can see, an impressive amount of weirdness swirls around Mount Shasta...is it Kar-i-farn? I believe it is, as Mount Olympus was the divine heart of Greece. Shasta is El-Gabal, the Mountain God, home of the Old Man. Yet Greece had two other hearts, and so does magical California. The Iberian Mages planned it that way." "Imagine, if you will, that California is a very deliberate attempt to harness the awesome magical power of the American Continents and channel it along lines of thought brought to Spain centuries before, when the first Moorish armies flooded across the Pillars of Heracles in 711? By utilizing the magickal principles of Contagion and Similarity, a link was intended to be forged between the ancient Old World Pyrenees Mountains, as the Moors had intended in 711, creating the Pyrenian state of Calyferne as a link back to Alamut...but with Roland's sacrifice, a backlash was created that eventually allowed his warrior soul to re-enter the world in the body of Rodrigo Diaz, the knight known as Sayyid by the armies of Islam and El Cid to the Spanish. However, if at first you don't succeed...assimilated into Spanish culture, these neo-Hashishin were willing to attempt a similar feat in this New World, helped by their enemies' ignorance of their design. (Similarly, when the English learn of this magickal working, they will attempt one of their own on Roanoke Island...I mention this here but be warned, there's a lot of ranting to wade through.) By taking elements that were already present, like Mount Shasta, and grafting elements of their own alongside them, like Kar-i-farn, a true alchemical nation could be created." "Mount Shasta is the divine heart. Where, then, is the mind of the Californian Dream State? San Francisco, home of the Emperor Norton I, Fisher King of the West and Discordian Maimed King par excellance. Norton symbolizes the insane meta-sanity of the Californian experiment. He declared himself Emperor, and nobody minded. It has long been pointed out that in Islam, the mad are considered divine, and so too with the Iberian descendants of the Hashish Eaters who carefully constructed California. Norton is Quetzalcoatl, the bearded white god from the east, born in Deptford, England (where Chris Marlowe was assasinated...another connection to the School of Night? An English attempt to usurp the magick, or perhaps the Sheik-al-gabal thinks further ahead than we can imagine, and in Norton saw a perfect chance to combine two magical empires in one) and intimate with the sea and with Pirates (at one time, he owned a great shard of the Barbary Coast) as well. One might say that San Francisco is the Athens of California, and Norton was its Solon. From the gleeful Discordians of Robert Anton Wilson fame to the Airships of the 1890's onward to the present, with every bend and twist along the way, San Francisco has survived Earthquakes and the 1960's and the death of Harvey Milk. In San Francisco men like Terrance McKenna argued for the chemical liberation of the unconscious mind, which surely must have led the old man of the mountain and his hashish eaters to grin knowingly. San Francisco is the Sacrificed City, the Mithras of the West Coast, where Ormazhd weeps mad with mourning for his dead son." Father, O father! what do we here, In this land of unbelief and fear? The land of dreams is better far Above the light of the Morning Star. William Blake, Songs of Innocence "Los Angeles is the Smoking Mirror, where the defiled spirits of the dethroned Aztec gods refuse to die. It is the Waste Land of Eliot, the Inferno of Dante, and yet...there is power here too, a power ripped from the desert by sheer will and influence. The Bright Son of Morning has gilded his half of the Californian paradise, for we mustn't forget that Paradise is where the final battle will be raged. Please don't think I view Los Angeles as evil, however...I quoted Blake for a reason. An act of magick such as the creation of California, a theft so brazen as this, must have its backlash. The outrage must be addressed, there must be a city to evoke this experience. A city which shows us the penalty for hubris, and yet encourages it. A Sparta, a Rome, a Constantinople, the black dot in the white to San Francisco's white dot in the black. Call it Yin and Yang, call it balance, call it the Ourborous facing itself. Ahriman waits among the gilded streets of Los Angeles. The state of California throbs with concentrated dream energy, crackling and burning as it slams into the bowshock of the American zeitgeist. The combination of the East and the West has created a mad empire, a burning land of gunmen and poets, con-men and Christs. If America is Arcadia than California is Tir Tairngiri, the Land of Promise. The Old Man of the Mountain wrought better than anyone understood when he shaped Paradise in the New World, for in Los Angeles and San Francisco, you can see Ahriman and Ormazhd gearing up for the final battle. But the old tempter has grown wise and cunning and the great white lord is demented and brilliant, and who can say who the winner should be?" Sorry for the long quote, but I probably would have taken up as much space with a synopsis. "Los Angeles is the Smoking Mirror", you can't find a better opening line than that. Anyhow, that's the sort of vibe coming off of Shasta. Strange place. It's common to see people just standing there looking at the mountain for long periods. There are tours and day hikes, but the area is a wilderness and hiking alone is NOT a good idea. I was at the ranger station reading up on trails and I noticed how often it was emphasized that placing your camp out of sight and hearing of other campers is Shasta etiquette. I also noticed that I would be expected to haul out my own feces with a handy-dandy hiking kit available at the station. They are pretty serious about the alpine ecology up there. Lake Shasta Caverns are rather south of the mountain in Shasta County. They got more scenic than they know what to do with. You get there by driving a few miles off the Interstate through winding forest roads that leave you by the western shore of Lake Shasta, a starfish-shaped artificial lake framed by evergreen forest and steep mountainsides. Due to the record-breaking droughts (which we have been assured by the Best People are not due to jiggery-pokery with the ozone layer) the red soil that used to be covered in water now encircles the lake. Between treeline and waterline there is now about a hundred yards of terraced red clay soil, waiting for the water level to rise again. Still scenic, though. http://www.umti.com/shastacaverns/img05.jpg From the eastern shore you take a boat trip to the western shore where you catch the bus that careens up the mountainside to the cave entrance. It turns out that there are caverns all through the mountains, these are the more accessible ones. While I'm waiting for photos to develop, here's a page of thumbnails of Shasta Caverns: http://www.umti.com/shasta.html Since cave formations take their color from surrounding minerals, most of the features of the caverns are brown. This led to scatological musings at times (http://www.umti.com/shastacaverns/img20.jpg). The tour guide was a teenager who got my Cthulhu references for some of the formations. http://www.umti.com/shastacaverns/img13.jpg shows a steel ladder that was placed in the caverns circa 20s-30s by the Odd Fellows, a fraternal order that lived up to their name by holding their initiations in the caverns. They would lead the initiate into the caverns blindfolded and leave them with some water, sandwiches, and a ("a") book of matches to find their way out. Jeez, couldn't we just skip to the ritual circumcision? There's a brand new golden pyramid (a Mayan pyramid) on the banks of the American River in Old Sacramento. I immediately flashed on the pyramid-capped (Canary Wharf?) building Grant Morrison featured in "The Invisibles." It also made me notice that the capital of California is a sacrament. The building is of gold glass and is a financial center. Right next to a drawbridge. For the last few years, when driving to Folsom where my mother lives on the banks of the American River (hehe, we used to live along the Russian River farther north and west) I've noticed a big ostentatious modern church with a typo on the expensive metal letters forming the name. It's the Capital Methodist Church according to the sign. I like to think that they meant "capitol" in reference to being located in the state's capitol, and that it was a goof. Speculations on Freudian slips, truth through typos or the concept of a large, obviously affluent clientele that hasn't noticed for over five years I leave as an exercise for the class. I also got to peek in at Folsom Prison, where, oddly, I didn't hear no trains a comin'. That hunk of stone is sitting on some beautiful land. I found the display of weapons confiscated from prisoners edifying. Prisoners got lots of tradecraft. If you think a knife made from a can or a spear made with newspaper is impressive, you have to see a tattooing needle made on the sly. I was impressed. Anyhow, I'm back and rarin' to DGML. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 2:19 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] just a test And here's another. Let's see if replies work too. Mark McFadden ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dirk R. Festus Festerling" To: "delta-green" Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: [DG] just a test > really > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paranoid bunch > > __________________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 12:24 PM To: delta-green Subject: [DG] just a test really paranoid bunch __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 2:06 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Etna Cheers. First off >Hello everyone (this is my first post to the list). Welcome, Amanda - any woman that has "strain" in her signature can't be totally bad, despite siding with the great white devil Barberi ;> [and I'm not implying with this you are just "any woman", mind you....] >For a small defense of one Dr. Barberi rest of sound geological reasoning snipped, but highly appreciated. It's refreshing to get finally some sound reasoning (geological or whatever) attached top Barberi's name. :-P >But the other important point is that it's more than Dr. Barberi's >reputation and image on the line. You tell him. >However, I haven't been closely following the situation in Italy, so >Davide's opinion of Dr. Barberi may be much more informed than mine. In brief (considering most of this is off-topic) - we are dealing with a level of intervention against natural hazards in which science is no more an issue; we are dealing with politics. In particular, what we've got here is volcanologists, that have been monitoring the mountain these last fifteen years, coming forth with solid, rather unpleasant data, and a man (the oft-mentioned Dr B.) that dismisses such data and feeds unreasonable hopes. The end result is exactly what Amanda mentioned - the simple people facing the volcano do no longer put their trust in the scientific data, because a big shot came down from the sky in a chopper, surrounded by a chorus of chanting newsmen, and told them's there's nothing to fear and the factual data are "just theories". Next week they might not be as lucky as they've been so far. People living at the mouth of Etna are like someone that put a stuffed chair on the London tube tracks, and now is peacefully reading the news. If you sit on the tracks, you have to face the possibility that the train is coming sooner or later. Ignoring or denying the possibility just for quiet living does not help making that living any longer. As the man said "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled" And I expect you to recognize the quote, Dr. Robertson! Sorry for the rant, ladies and gentlemen. I won't touch the matter anymore unless it has some Mythos connection. Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 2:11 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Etna >BTW here is an excellent site for volcano pictures > >"Stromboli on-line" > >http://educeth.ethz.ch/stromboli/index-e.html Checking out http://www.spotimage.fr/accueil/news/month/ might also be interesting. Sorry if it's in the wrong language - it was sent to me by transalpine friendlies ;> Davide _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Shoggoth [root@shoggoth.net.dhis.org] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 2:36 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Etna El Viernes 03 Agosto 2001 21:06, escribiste: Great Kudos to Our man in Torino Let's get on matter..... [Big Snip] > > Sorry for the rant, ladies and gentlemen. > I won't touch the matter anymore unless it has some Mythos connection. For Hastur's sake , old boy! It has Everything to do with the Mythos! 1st : The big worms are uneasy under the Etna. That is a fact. 2nd : The goverment knows it. They go to the people and says "Hell , don't be fooled by the scientist , they know nothing" , wich is true , the nature is under the Mythos will , not bended by such thing as "Laws" , or that pity things that humans pass as "science". 3rd : As my last incursion in the secret expedients (Code Name : Craxi) of the italian cleaners shows , the worms are being appraised rigth now , using some undocummented inmigrants as bait (I'd used that in one campaign). So , my friend , the big shots is perfectly saying the true (In the mythos world , of course) See you in my secret webcam (tm) P.D. : All the data are rigorous true. Maybe in a parallel universe , not necesary in this , but for sure that there are some universe where this is true. And if not , blame the bloody teorethical phisics!!!! Your Friendly Shoggoth _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 2:31 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Etna ---- Original Message ----- From: "Shoggoth" To: > > > > Sorry for the rant, ladies and gentlemen. > > I won't touch the matter anymore unless it has some Mythos connection. > > For Hastur's sake , old boy! It has Everything to do with the Mythos! I agree. As I said earlier, we are all "living on the volcano": One may joke about the GOO under Etna, but in a real sense the question is, how do you force people to interface with reality when reality is deeply unpleasant but must be faced, in order that the commonality may navigate through it competently? Apart from game "applicability", there are an hundred real-life examples of this, not just wrt extreme endeavours like the building of the space shuttle. Though I'm not a Green, I won't deny that human survival now depends less and less on the bounty of an overstressed and rebellious Nature, and more and more on technologies that are not self-stable or necessarily safe. At the same time, the people in power in our societies are those who have made it to the top in a profession of manufacturing pleasant lies. A bad combination. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of root [root@shoggoth.net.dhis.org] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:23 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Test 1,2,3,4... testing (And the testing was done) Genesis , V2.03(beta) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:11 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Etna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vicious Strain" > Hello everyone (this is my first post to the list). An unwontedly sensible and rational one, if I may say so. > For a small defense of one Dr. Barberi, Yes, yes, but, but. Has Dr Barberi been feeding his graduate students to the gods that only he knows live in the depths of Etna? What is the linkage between the ancient legend of the Titans, the Mediterranean volcanoes, and the GOO? What of Santorini, the Atlantis/Posiedonis connection, an the Lizard men? That is what we want to know. BTW here is an excellent site for volcano pictures "Stromboli on-line" http://educeth.ethz.ch/stromboli/index-e.html The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Vicious Strain [vicious_strain@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:07 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Etna Hello everyone (this is my first post to the list). For a small defense of one Dr. Barberi, I wanted to point out that Mt. Etna is one of the most studied volcanoes in the world, with a frequent eruption record that dates back to around 1500 B.C. (and evidence of previous frequent eruptions that go back much further). The frequency of eruptions also helps keep each individual eruption small, and large eruptions are a rarity for Etna. Admittedly, that may mean next to nothing as far as predicting a large or even medium sized eruption, and may mean even less when predicting the behavior of a lava flow. But the other important point is that it's more than Dr. Barberi's reputation and image on the line. An evacuation order tends not to be given until the volcanologists feel it is really necessary for a reason; if an order is given, people evacuate, the flow stops, and people return, then people tend to not heed subsequent warnings and/or evacuation orders. However, I haven't been closely following the situation in Italy, so Davide's opinion of Dr. Barberi may be much more informed than mine. -Amanda >Point the second - shoving a huge cork in the mouth of Dr. Barberi, the >head of Civil Protection, might indeed be a partial but welcome solution to >the problem; as long as the wanker says everything's all >right to look >good on TV (what if he had the place evacuated and then >the volcano >stopped? No, better keep the people there facing lava flows) things can >only get worse. BUT you have to admit it - anyone >that can convince people >living at the mouth of a volcano that'everything's fine despite the hot >stuff pouring in your parking >lot is an artist in his own right. > >Davide Mana >running scared >Torino, Italy > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:58 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] File under "Knowing Thy Enemy" Sorry if this has been posted before: "So You've Decided to Be Evil: A Step-by-Step Guide to Joining the Forces of Darkness" http://evil-guide.tripod.com/ TOP TEN GOOD THINGS ABOUT THE END OF THE WORLD 10) Really big boom. 9) Get to kill everyone. 8) Burning fires light up earth like Christmas tree. 7) Boiling seas like hot tubs. 6) Whore of Babylon a total babe. 5) Get to watch moon turn to blood - Cool! 4) Ravaging demons - 'nuff said. 3) Bio-plagues turn people funny colors. 2) Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: Party animals! (Chug it! Chug it!) 1) Heart-to-heart talks with C'thulhu before he eats you. If I didn't know the MiB had broken his computer, I'd think HE had something to do with this... Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 5:56 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] On the slopes of the volcano ----- Original Message ----- From: "Davide Mana" > >Incidentally Davide, > >shouldn't you be with the rest of your italian geology buddies in Sicily > >trying to shove corks into a volcano? > > No, better keep the people there facing lava flows) things can only get > worse. BUT you have to admit it - anyone that can convince people living at > the mouth of a volcano that'everything's fine despite the hot stuff pouring > in your parking lot is an artist in his own right. He he he . . . but aren't we all in that position? Living on the slopes of the Volcano? Ain't it a condition of existence? Those people are an excellent figure for the whole human race as the EndTimes draws near. --- *** --- And BTW, I thought there was a custom, a convention, that the lava was never to be diverted? Since that could only divert if from one man's patch to another's? Or has that been replaced by more rational, less wise, modern solutions? --- *** --- The lava must not be diverted. One imagines - - - The half-hidden, half-surviving, community. Now, They come again, to pick and pluck and harvest what they want. And the rule is, you must not flee, you must not warn anyone, you must not even think of resisting, you must do nothing that might deflect the choice from yourself to another. The Glove Cleaner (reposted from the DGMLDISCUSSION yahoo list as Agent Farnell suggests. Clever. Clean. Neat. Obedient. That's me) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Crossingham, Adam [Adam.Crossingham@markelintl.com] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 5:21 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] roll call Hi guys, I'm back too. Talk about bad luck, first week back at work after six months recuperation and the list goes down - just as well I have six months of back post to plough through :) AFC _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Nuge [jessthecatasc@oceanfree.net] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:50 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com; Davide Mana Subject: Re: [DG] roll call >Now we'll just have to spread the news and tell everybody to resubscribe. >It's gonna be a long summer.... > >Davide Mana >torino, Italy Amperora! Il mio abitante del favorito di Torino! Come siete oggi? Visit http://www.oceanfree.net to get your free e-mail account and use our unique Irish Internet directory _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:57 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] roll call I'm here! eckhard _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 11:25 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] testing Night and silence who is there? The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:50 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Testing! And I bet I'm not the only one . . . _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of duran.goodyear [duran@alphex.com] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:29 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] TEST test > -----Original Message----- > From: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com [mailto:deltagreen@revolutionsf.com]On > Behalf Of Til Eulenspiegel > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 3:52 PM > To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com > Subject: [DG] Re: DG Testing > > > It seemed unusual for my In-box to look so empty. > > Any takers for bets on how long it takes for the first explanation to show > up on the list? Pagan's website doesn't count for this. Any > takers for bets > on how long before the first non-transfer thread starts? > > Jay Dugger : Til Eulenspiegel > duggerj1@home.com : til_e@hotmail.com > > Future Shock != Righteous Indignation > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/