From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nocstar [shepherd93@home.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 8:00 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com; deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Why Hasn't Alphonse Gone Insane? At 01:06 AM 8/21/01 -0600, Khorne wrote: > >The mere existence of ANDREA makes a good guys-bad guys camp again, and its >very simple: if ANDREA hasn't come looking for you, you're a good guy. How do you know ANDREA hasn't been compromised? Maybe she isn't looking for you because you haven't caught her attention yet. Imagine an insane, rogue, random cleaner. Who knows where she'll turn up. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Peter Devlin [peter.devlin@axisanimation.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:56 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] buying Kevlar And so it was written: >The query about modern armor reminded me of a question I've >wanted to ask >for some time. Can a person go and buy sheets of Kevlar or >Sprctra, so as >to make their own bullet proof/ bullet resistant attire? In the UK it is possible to get Kevlar and other composites via mail order, cut to preferred size. AFAIK it is not a proscribed material. Cheers. Peter Devlin (peter.devlin@axisanimation.com) "Whatever it is, it's weird and pissed off!" _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Nuge [jessthecatasc@oceanfree.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:54 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com; Nocstar Subject: Re: [DG] Why Hasn't Alphonse Gone Insane? >How do you know ANDREA hasn't been compromised? Maybe she isn't looking for >you because you haven't caught her attention yet. Imagine an insane, rogue, >random cleaner. Who knows where she'll turn up. and maybe ANDREA is Alzis in Drag. Or Ramona. Or The Bloated Woman in a corset. You can come up with theories till the cows come home (5:43 PM GMT) - but since DG hasnt fallen apart yet, obviously she hasnt totally fucked up yet Visit http://www.oceanfree.net to get your free e-mail account and use our unique Irish Internet directory _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Philip_Ward@yestelevision.com Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 8:16 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] buying Kevlar Peter Wrote: > In the UK it is possible to get Kevlar and other composites via mail order, > cut to preferred size. AFAIK it is not a proscribed material. Well, that rather surprises me! Looking here: http://www.recguns.com/XJ3.html It appears that you can cut spectrashield plates into the desired size.shape, odds are you'll need some fairly hefty cutting gear. But you can cut the final product up. Kevlar I'm not sure so about... 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One presumes that this would make excellent ablative plating if you were so inclined. Isn't this the approach used by those nutters who build RC gadgets for the TV show 'Robo Wars'? Another thing worth noting is that modern bikers' leathers can be purchased with kevlar panels. I have leather trousers with kevlar plates in the shin, knee and thigh areas. A friend recently purchased a racing leather jacket which had kevlar panels in the lumbar, shoulder and arm areas, and a central spinal reinforcement. This also applies to all in one bikers body suits. I believe my partner's brother (a competition rally driver) can also get his hands on exotic materials, although I'd need to confirm that one. Cheers. Peter Devlin (peter.devlin@axisanimation.com) "Whatever it is, it's weird and pissed off!" _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David.Clements [David.Clements@astro.cf.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 8:33 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] buying Kevlar On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 Philip_Ward@yestelevision.com wrote: > > Peter Wrote: > > In the UK it is possible to get Kevlar and other composites via mail > order, > > cut to preferred size. AFAIK it is not a proscribed material. > > Well, that rather surprises me! > > Looking here: > http://www.recguns.com/XJ3.html > > > It appears that you can cut spectrashield plates into the desired > size.shape, odds are you'll > need some fairly hefty cutting gear. But you can cut the final product up. > > > Kevlar I'm not sure so about... One place to look for these things are army surpluss shops. I don't know the current situation, but a friend of mine got a nylon-plate flack jackets from a surpluss store in the mid-80s. I see no reason why more modern body armour using kevlar etc. would not be available through the same route. This was in the UK. YMMV elsewhere... Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Rodemaker [dar@horusinc.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:02 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] (SPOILERS) Andrea > >Besides, the idea of a charcter like ANDREA is just a hackneyed > piece of bad > >spy fiction. I've been led to expect better from the DGML. > > Check out "La famme Nikita", by Luc Besson. > Forget the crappy TV series or the crappy Yank remake. > Forget ranty speed-head fantasies by Quentin tarantino. > Check out Nikita. > Watch out for The Cleaner. > That's where we got our idea for a cleaner in the days of old. Thanks Davide! I couldn't remember the director so didn't mention the film. It is exactly what I envision when somebody says "cleaner" (I also agree with the opinions about the other versions...). I have to think that part of the issue when an Cell has to report that the problem hasn't been solved is not only the fear of what the Mythos may do but also the very real understanding that the higher-ups within DG may have to take more serious action in order to contain the threat. The concept that DG is there to protect the innocent at any cost, and that there is very often some form of collateral damage at any particular Night at the Opera should be viewed with the understanding that if the threat is large enough that the collateral damage could be *very* high if the threat is great. SPOILERS BELOW What if the end result of Night Floors is that after a Cell (or two?) disappears that DG decides to truck-bomb the building (as is mentioned as a possibility). The higher-ups among DG do this knowing exactly what effect this will have on society at large but decide it is for the greater good. (Go see the movie The Siege for an semi-exploration for the possible repercussions of this act) What if in "The New Age" DG gets enough information (somehow) as to what is going on and instead of staging a cowboy raid on the HQ... Drops Ebola or some other suitable nasty and then has the CDC and USAMRIID come down like a hammer on the complex in Tulsa? Or just frames them with having good old Sarin gas or some other nonsense, how about just *hits* them with Sarin gas? DG doesn't know that Enolosis intends to send Ghroth away, they just think that they want to end the world and bring about the New Age... Sounds like a time for desperate measures for me. David _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jeff Schreier [schreierj@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:40 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Digest? I just recently joined this list -- and am very interested in keeping up to date on DG - I was just able to pick up Countdown at Wizards of the Coast :) After a year of looking, I finally found it (Of course it was re-released, but ...) I was wondering - is it possible to receive this list in digest format? If so, how does on go about setting that up? Thanks, Jeff --- Peter Devlin wrote: > And so it was written: > > >The query about modern armor reminded me of a > question I've > >wanted to ask > >for some time. Can a person go and buy sheets of > Kevlar or > >Sprctra, so as > >to make their own bullet proof/ bullet resistant > attire? > > In the UK it is possible to get Kevlar and other > composites via mail order, > cut to preferred size. AFAIK it is not a proscribed > material. > > Cheers. > > Peter Devlin (peter.devlin@axisanimation.com) > > "Whatever it is, it's weird and pissed off!" > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 11:18 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] buying Kevlar (Warning: Kevlar Fondling) >Can a person simply buy Kevlar or Spectra, the penetration preventer, >though, or are they controlled materials? >Come to think of it, how would a person cut Kevlar or Spectra to make >bullet proof clothing? Can it be cut with scissors, or does one have >to hot melt it? That's always been my concern about Kevlar, that it >can be penetrated by a hot projectile that melts a hole through it. >Shrapnel, I'm told, is kind of hot, opening up the possibility of some >unpleasantness. Why bother making your own? Vests are freely available. And the stuff you can buy will be a lot better than the stuff you can make, unless your PC happens to be a tailor with a Kevlar specialty. For instance, take a look at http://www.survivalinstinct.com/bulproofvesb.html where you can buy a good vest online. There's a zillion others, that's just the first I found. Some places say they'll only sell to law enforcement officers - more power to 'em, but they have less paranoid competitors. You'd be surprised at how easy you can get this stuff. When I bought mine, it was literally from my next door neighbor who gave me a deep discount on the promise that I would send business his way. But if you want to make something weird, like a bullet-proof vest for a shoggoth, then only the material itself will do. You can buy Kevlar by the yard from these guys: http://www.noahlamport.com/safty_protect.htm As for cutting, you just need a good sharp blade and some patience. It's not easy to cut, but not too difficult either. Keep in mind the very accurate comment made earlier on the list that Kevlar vests do almost nothing against knives. You can get cut resistant Kevlar, but it still isn't cut-proof. As for melting, it's made of carbon fibers. It doesn't melt. It can be ignited, but will stop burning when the ignition source is removed. Burning it produces combustion gases similar to those from wool - mostly carbon dioxide, water, and oxides of nitrogen. If you're really set on cutting by temperature, you can do it with a laser - it will decompose at 800F degrees, but then it'll put out a variety of toxic gases. Be more concerned with Teflon-coated bullets than hot slag. Just as a side note, Kevlar has a very low toxicity - they've tested it by feeding the fibers to rats. So feel free to have a beastie eat a toting-toting PC whole. They won't even get indigestion. 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Could explain many hauntings, temporal and dimensional encounters. Maybe 90deg angles act as an amplifiers for creatures that can see through time. Mad architects and engineers anyone? Cheers, Don Fougere Image Sleuth - Analytical Imaging Solutions Lazo, B.C. bolide@mars.ark.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Gatten, Marshall To: Delta Green Community (E-mail) Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:45 AM Subject: [DG] How to haunt a boat I just stumbled across this and it just begs to be used in a DG context. http://www.newscientist.com/lastword/answers/609sound.jsp?tp=sound1 I imagine intentionally designing a mast that resonates these signals so that the boat has a scientific explanation for the fact that voices are heard on it all the time. Now you have a place to put "trapped souls" of what kind you like, and nobody will ever notice them because they are camouflaged by the perfectly explainable voices. Bwah hah hah hah ha! From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Khorne [khorne@cyberlink.bc.ca] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 12:08 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: Re: [DG] Why Hasn't Alphonse Gone Insane? >You're missing the point. ANDREA is a name. It could represent a she, a he, or even an it. It might be one agent, or it might be several. There might really be an ANDREA, or there might not be an ANDREA at all. In-jokes about Velma and Angelina Jolie aside, there's been no attempt to create a 'definitive' ANDREA on list. rather, she's always been shorthand for describing something ugly and unpleasant in Delta Green - the notion that as an agent you walk the fine line between expendable asset and dangerous liability in the eyes of your masters. I doubt anyone makes much use of the concept as anything other than a colloquial way of reminding players that A-cell is watching them. A Cell, like each other cell, has three members. Which one is ANDREA? Pehaps I'm mixed up, but as I understand it, Delta Green isn't a monolithic organization. Its a network, stitched together by Joe Camp and a few other (emphasis on a few) individuals who know that sometimes, shit happens, somebody's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call? If it isn't a monolithic organization but a network (I'm thinking of graduated fraternity brothers now), then there would not be a formal "cleaner". Maybe one cell would like to watch the watchers, but Delta Green is specifically organized so cell members know little about each other. A cleaner would have to know an awful lot about each cell, more than Camp and the other leaders do. Its a classic conspiracy, remember, with cells isolated as much as is practical. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Khorne [khorne@cyberlink.bc.ca] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 12:33 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] How to haunt a boat In the first Ghostbusters film, the top of the apartment building that Dana Barrett lives in had apparently been specifically designed to accumulate and concentrate spiritual turbulence. In reading about the Aboriginal peoples of Ausyralia, I have also come across the idea that certain land forms - rock formations like Ayers Rock - accumulate spiritual energy. -----Original Message----- From: Don Fougere To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Date: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [DG] How to haunt a boat Gatten, Just expanding on that line of thought, if a ships/vessels mast and stays can perform as an antenna for various freqs, why not structural designs acting as antennas for other energies. Could explain many hauntings, temporal and dimensional encounters. Maybe 90deg angles act as an amplifiers for creatures that can see through time. Mad architects and engineers anyone? Cheers, Don Fougere Image Sleuth - Analytical Imaging Solutions Lazo, B.C. bolide@mars.ark.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Gatten, Marshall To: Delta Green Community (E-mail) Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:45 AM Subject: [DG] How to haunt a boat I just stumbled across this and it just begs to be used in a DG context. http://www.newscientist.com/lastword/answers/609sound.jsp?tp=sound1 I imagine intentionally designing a mast that resonates these signals so that the boat has a scientific explanation for the fact that voices are heard on it all the time. Now you have a place to put "trapped souls" of what kind you like, and nobody will ever notice them because they are camouflaged by the perfectly explainable voices. Bwah hah hah hah ha! From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 12:05 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] How to haunt a boat > Just expanding on that line of thought, if a ships/vessels mast and stays > can perform as an antenna for various freqs, why not structural designs > acting as antennas for other energies. Could explain many hauntings, > temporal and dimensional encounters. Maybe 90deg angles act as an > amplifiers for creatures that can see through time. Mad architects and > engineers anyone? RAY No! Nobody ever made them like this! The architect was either a certified genius or an aesthetic wacko! PETER Ray, for a moment, pretend that I don't know anything about metallurgy, engineering or physics and just tell me what the hell is going on. RAY You never studied. The whole building is a huge super- conductive antenna that was designed and built expressly for the purpose of pulling in and concentrating spiritual turbulence. Your girlfriend, Pete, lives in the corner penthouse of Spook Central! Seriously, though, what effect might properly designed antennas have on summonings? A lot of buildings have antennas on their roof for no good reason. (Just last Friday I noticed the roof access door was open in my building and I couldn't resist. I went up and had a look. There were satellite dishes and antennas all over the place. I'm not aware of a single receiver or transmitter in my whole building.) Obviously, one of the companies in the building is a front for cultist activity and their working on summoning something huge and needed the right antenna for the job. Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 12:51 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] buying Kevlar > > > In the UK it is possible to get Kevlar and other > composites via mail > > order, > > > cut to preferred size. AFAIK it is not a > proscribed material. > One place to look for these things are army surpluss > shops. I don't know > the current situation, right now some mail-order surplus stores in germany (and having a real world shop attached for those interested in lesser traceability) sell used british desert pattern flak jackets, german and french camouflaged ones too. you donīt know the history of these, they may have been stored in a wet place or badly wrangled, but even a brand new one wonīt stop any standard issue bullet. at last faking proper soldiers is easier with this stuff. but with two to four weeks time, a working postal adress and bank account and if you donīt insist on having a law enforcement agency stencil on it, pretty much anything in black, blue, standard german or us/french woodland camos or "bamboo" (a pale yellow, our police shirt colour) up to level III will be delivered in germany. festus __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jerzy Cichocki [deepone@go2.pl] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 12:55 PM To: Andy Robertson Subject: Re[2]: [DG] Natural Laws not constant? wtorek, 21 sierpnia 2001, Andy wrote: AR> Lem (one of the few humans brilliant enough to uncover the AR> truths of the Mythos by pure mentation, I would judge) [cut] If you like Lem's fiction or (and) theory I recommend "Twinkling of an eye" . It's about the universe and our future on the Earth. However I don't know if it already is in USA, it was printed in 2000 in Poland :)) George, Warsaw Poland _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 1:04 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: Re: [DG] Why Hasn't Alphonse Gone Insane? For DG to work at all, someone has to know everyone that's involved. It's asset management: Something Bad (tm) happens in Sacramento. Where is the closest cell? How do I contact them? If the primary contact is off gibbering and clinging to furry objects (don't ask) how do I contact the rest of the cell? Individual cells may not know much, but someone (Alphonse) has to. Think about when MJ12 paid a visit to the General... right before he went out in a blaze of glory, he sent out his files. What do you think those files contained? Kudos to Davide... I'll have to watch Nikita again tonight, just to remember what good Cleaners really do ;-) BCNU Rus -----Original Message----- From: Khorne [mailto:khorne@cyberlink.bc.ca] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 1:08 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: Re: [DG] Why Hasn't Alphonse Gone Insane? A Cell, like each other cell, has three members. Which one is ANDREA? Pehaps I'm mixed up, but as I understand it, Delta Green isn't a monolithic organization. Its a network, stitched together by Joe Camp and a few other (emphasis on a few) individuals who know that sometimes, shit happens, somebody's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call? If it isn't a monolithic organization but a network (I'm thinking of graduated fraternity brothers now), then there would not be a formal "cleaner". Maybe one cell would like to watch the watchers, but Delta Green is specifically organized so cell members know little about each other. A cleaner would have to know an awful lot about each cell, more than Camp and the other leaders do. Its a classic conspiracy, remember, with cells isolated as much as is practical. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 2:00 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] buying Kevlar (Warning: Kevlar Fondling) RE: [DG] buying Kevlar (Warning: Kevlar Fondling) ----- Original Message ----- From: Gatten, Marshall >As for cutting, you just need a good sharp blade and some patience. It's not easy to cut, but not too difficult either. Keep in mind the very accurate comment made >earlier on the list that Kevlar vests do almost nothing against knives. You can get cut resistant Kevlar, but it still isn't cut-proof. Speaking of resistance to cuts, there are knit Kevlar glove liners, forearm sleeves, work gloves and mittens. LEOs use the glove liners and sleeves as lightweight protection from slashing blades and the work gloves and mittens can be found in industrial safety equipment catalogues. There are also gloves for LEO use that are reinforced with Kevlar. Frisking suspects is a risky endeavor in the age of AIDS. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of lwinkler@bradley.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 2:18 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] How to haunt a boat Reminds me of the "Witch House" story by HPL himself. Can't remember the full name (don't lynch me *cringe*) Basically, certain angles function as resonators for extradimensional energies. And then you build a creepy old house with all of them and rent it out to college kids. I think theese are the same "Non-Euclidian Angles" that turn up in all of his writings. But what do they have to do with the Hounds of Tindalos? Landon "OW! I'm loosing sanity. Not my character, I'm loosing sanity." Quoting Don Fougere : > How to haunt a boatGatten, > > Just expanding on that line of thought, if a ships/vessels mast and > stays can perform as an antenna for various freqs, why not structural > designs acting as antennas for other energies. Could explain many > hauntings, temporal and dimensional encounters. Maybe 90deg angles act > as an amplifiers for creatures that can see through time. Mad architects > and engineers anyone? > > Cheers, > Don Fougere > Image Sleuth - Analytical Imaging Solutions > Lazo, B.C. > bolide@mars.ark.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gatten, Marshall > To: Delta Green Community (E-mail) > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:45 AM > Subject: [DG] How to haunt a boat > > > I just stumbled across this and it just begs to be used in a DG > context. > > http://www.newscientist.com/lastword/answers/609sound.js p?tp=sound1 > > I imagine intentionally designing a mast that resonates these signals > so that the boat has a scientific explanation for the fact that voices > are heard on it all the time. Now you have a place to put "trapped > souls" of what kind you like, and nobody will ever notice them because > they are camouflaged by the perfectly explainable voices. > > Bwah hah hah hah ha! > > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 11:44 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] How to haunt a boat How to haunt a boat>> ----- Original Message ----- >> Remember the Ghostbuster movie, the building's structural material >>was never used in anything like that before. Designed to turn the Megapolisomancy - see OUR LADY OF DARKNESS (Lieber) . The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 4:20 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] ANDREA / My 2 cents Good Evening. Nick Brownlow wrote: > You're missing the point. ANDREA is a name. It could represent a she, a he, > or even an it. Well.. I always wondered, why a certain Italian on this list never came up with this: Andrea is of course a male name as well.... Thus the first ANDREA my players were confronted with was a 50year old man of Italian heritage whose real name was Carmine Sapia, a former mafia leader turned into DG-cleaner [ sorry, Davide for that cliché overkill ;-) ] After Sapia got killed [*not* by the PCs!!!!] and therefore replaced my players never again met an ANDREA eye to eye, but they have two theories [ thanks to my clues ! ] about just what or who the new ANDREA might be. The first is that the new ANDREA is indeed a woman, a former IRS chick gone violent. But not with the looks of Andrea Jolie, but more like a mix of Rosie O'Donnel and Janeane Garafalo [sp?]. Frightening. But the second theory is even more frightening! Agent ANDREA is in fact [...] [...] [...] the woman we know as Nancy Reagan! eckhard _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of chris_10271 [chris_10271@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 3:25 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] How to haunt a boat How to haunt a boatRemember the Ghostbuster movie, the building's structural material was never used in anything like that before. Designed to turn the building into one big psychic/spiritual energy accumulator/attractor. Just expanding on that line of thought, if a ships/vessels mast and stays can perform as an antenna for various freqs, why not structural designs acting as antennas for other energies. Could explain many hauntings, temporal and dimensional encounters. Maybe 90deg angles act as an amplifiers for creatures that can see through time. Mad architects and engineers anyone? Cheers, Don Fougere Image Sleuth - Analytical Imaging Solutions Lazo, B.C. bolide@mars.ark.com From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 5:14 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] ANDREA I understand the reluctance of some to accept the DGML interpretation of ANDREA as a Cell Terminator, and I have enjoyed some of the descriptions of the allure of ANDREA; but, for me, the best description will always be what Christian Conkle wrote nearly three years ago (damn!) on the subject. So I hunted it dow and am reposted it for your reading pleasure: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:09:05 -0800 From: Christian Conkle Subject: DG: RE: Zero SAN characters Don't forget there's always the La Femme Nikita-esque response of assigning Agent VICTOR or Agent ANDREA to come in and act as a sort-of backup. Agent LAURA taps her case files into a neat stack and places them to the side on her desk. She looks at Agent LISA sternly. LISA squirms momentarily in her seat while LAURA removes her reading glasses and clasps her hands together. "Lisa, I see this mission is affecting you personally. I have no other choice but to put in a request to assign back-up to your investigation. An agent ANDREA will meet you in Groversville tomorrow morning." Agent LISA, having heard rumors from other, older, DG agents, shudders.. "No, please.." Catching herself mid-blurt, she regains her composure and eases back into the chair. "I.. I can handle it." Agent LAURA is undeterred. She gets up from her chair with an audible sqwonk. She crosses her arms. "I'm sorry. I feel there is no other alternative. Things have already gone too far. I've given you too many second chances already." LAURA walks across her office and opens her door. The clatter of keyboards and din of office work filter in from outside. The harsh flourescent light beyond is cold and uncaring compared to the warm incadescent glow of the richly appointed office. LISA solemnly rises and and gets her coat. She slowly walks past LAURA out of the office. LAURA tersely adds "I'll expect a full Case Report Friday afternoon." before closing the door. The next morning, LISA is alone in her rental car, parked outside of a truck stop off I-75, crying, occasionally slamming her fists into her steering wheel. Another car comes up the off-ramp and slowly enters the gravel parking lot. LISA's fists clench around her steering wheel. She tries to hold back her sobs, but is unsuccessful. The other car's door opens up. An attractive blonde woman in a long black coat and dark ray-bans exits the driver's side. For a moment, her coat catches a gust of wind and becomes a dark cape billowing behind her. The blonde woman is wearing a dark Italian women's business suit with long collared white blouse. She slowly covers the distance across the gravel lot to LISA's car and gets in the passenger side. LISA is inconsolable. She is rocking back and forth in the driver's seat and sobbing. "No No No! I.. I can do it.." The blonde woman fixes her gaze forward, not even looking at LISA. "Drive." LISA hesitates, stops rocking and looks at the blonde. Her lower lip sucking under her upper teeth. She watches the blonde for any sign of emotion or understanding. The blonde turns her head toward LISA and, more forcefully, adds, "Drive, or I'll kill you." Sorry, I know it's trite, but I couldn't help myself. Just got caught up in the scene... - ----------------------------------------------------- Christian Conkle Web Development Specialist Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory work: conklec@nwrel.org home: conkle@europa.com - ----------------------------------------------------- Is it a little cheesy? Maybe. Heaven forbid anything Lovecraftian, which has produced the likes of Herbert West Re-Animator or rat-sized things with full human faces, should include anything cheesy. DELTA GREEN has undead Nazis, after all! But it works for me. Gil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Rodemaker [dar@horusinc.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 5:40 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] ANDREA > the allure of ANDREA; but, for me, the best description will > always be what > Christian Conkle wrote nearly three years ago (damn!) on the > subject. So I > hunted it dow and am reposted it for your reading pleasure: That was nice... Of course seeing Christian's name here on the DGML was a bit of a surprise, but knowing him from the pretty much defunct CPML It shouldn't surprise me. David _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 8:45 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] ANDREA From: "Gil Trevizo" > I understand the reluctance of some to accept the DGML interpretation of > ANDREA as a Cell Terminator, and I have enjoyed some of the descriptions of > the allure of ANDREA; but, for me, the best description will always be what > Christian Conkle wrote nearly three years ago (damn!) on the subject. So I > hunted it dow and am reposted it for your reading pleasure: Thanks, Gil! That was a trip down memory lane. Ah, I miss Christian. And very good to see Dave K back too! I just want to repeat what I said before--ANDREA-as-Cleaner is a list legend. She (or he) is the natural result of overactive imaginations that haven't been given any official information, and thus, she's exactly the kind of bogeyman that agents in the field would conjure up. She's *supposed* to be cheesey! Urban legends are always cheesey! DG agents aren't professional writers, striving to create 3-dimensional characters and deep, multilayered plots--they're cops and spies and tax agents, scared and poorly informed, and if the rumor of ANDREA started getting whispered around, I'm quite sure it wouldn't take long for all of DG to have heard it, and for a lot of them to half-believe it. Note the *half* part there--DG agents are also intelligent, and unlikely to accept what is so obviously an urban legend. But they'll still repeat it because it's fun. That, and it serves as a "warning legend" for rookies. Yes, the rookies probably won't believe it either, but they will take the hint that this is serious, that people do die to protect the conspiracy, and they'd better not "cowboy up." Giving DG agents an urban legend or two makes the organization deeper and more believable. If the real ANDREA were ever to show up in my game, of course I would try to make her deep and complex and interesting, something very different from what the players have been led to expect. (I like Dave K's idea--very realistic.) And if you don't want to use her...DON'T! Jeez. Nobody's trying to make you. Dave PS: I have a feeling that there is really only one person on this list who needs all this explained to him, and that he'll miss the point anyway. Everybody else gets it; he alone never seems to. I've realized that there's not any point in trying to help him understand--he will stubbornly, *willfully* misinterpret what other people write, and go off on a humorless half-dozen-post-a-day crusade to win people to his view, as if there's only one possible choice, as if this list wasn't about floating lots of ideas and letting people take the ones they like and leave the ones they don't. But that's why I plonked him weeks ago, and now hear only his echoes in people's replies. Ah, sweet! _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 8:45 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] ANDREA From: "Gil Trevizo" > I understand the reluctance of some to accept the DGML interpretation of > ANDREA as a Cell Terminator, and I have enjoyed some of the descriptions of > the allure of ANDREA; but, for me, the best description will always be what > Christian Conkle wrote nearly three years ago (damn!) on the subject. So I > hunted it dow and am reposted it for your reading pleasure: Thanks, Gil! That was a trip down memory lane. Ah, I miss Christian. And very good to see Dave K back too! I just want to repeat what I said before--ANDREA-as-Cleaner is a list legend. She (or he) is the natural result of overactive imaginations that haven't been given any official information, and thus, she's exactly the kind of bogeyman that agents in the field would conjure up. She's *supposed* to be cheesey! Urban legends are always cheesey! DG agents aren't professional writers, striving to create 3-dimensional characters and deep, multilayered plots--they're cops and spies and tax agents, scared and poorly informed, and if the rumor of ANDREA started getting whispered around, I'm quite sure it wouldn't take long for all of DG to have heard it, and for a lot of them to half-believe it. Note the *half* part there--DG agents are also intelligent, and unlikely to accept what is so obviously an urban legend. But they'll still repeat it because it's fun. That, and it serves as a "warning legend" for rookies. Yes, the rookies probably won't believe it either, but they will take the hint that this is serious, that people do die to protect the conspiracy, and they'd better not "cowboy up." Giving DG agents an urban legend or two makes the organization deeper and more believable. If the real ANDREA were ever to show up in my game, of course I would try to make her deep and complex and interesting, something very different from what the players have been led to expect. (I like Dave K's idea--very realistic.) And if you don't want to use her...DON'T! Jeez. Nobody's trying to make you. Dave PS: I have a feeling that there is really only one person on this list who needs all this explained to him, and that he'll miss the point anyway. Everybody else gets it; he alone never seems to. I've realized that there's not any point in trying to help him understand--he will stubbornly, *willfully* misinterpret what other people write, and go off on a humorless half-dozen-post-a-day crusade to win people to his view, as if there's only one possible choice, as if this list wasn't about floating lots of ideas and letting people take the ones they like and leave the ones they don't. But that's why I plonked him weeks ago, and now hear only his echoes in people's replies. Ah, sweet! _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of g m [sneezythesquid@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 11:12 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] (SPOILERS) Human Psychic Ability and Mi-Go > Back in the day, the Man in Black used to post > intriguing elements from his > campaign involving psychic ability among mankind. Ahh yes, the ever-luvin' MiB. Does he still lurk here abouts? I was a way for a while. His stuff in the Section 8 should be required reading. Sneezy the Squid __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of g m [sneezythesquid@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 11:12 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] (SPOILERS) Human Psychic Ability and Mi-Go > Back in the day, the Man in Black used to post > intriguing elements from his > campaign involving psychic ability among mankind. Ahh yes, the ever-luvin' MiB. Does he still lurk here abouts? I was a way for a while. His stuff in the Section 8 should be required reading. Sneezy the Squid __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of dg@fomalhaut.mmcc.monash.edu.au Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 11:17 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Why Hasn't Alphonse Gone Insane? On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Khorne wrote: > It still mitigates the horror. As I said, the players may notice that, > SOMEHOW, the threat is being contained, even when the threat is them, and > they start to think, well, its not so bad. Which is scarier: knowing that > some mysterious stranger is going to "bust a cap in your ass" because you > spent too much time with that old moldy book, or knowing your BEST FRIEND is > going to do it...may even want to do it? Knowing the mess will get cleaned > up makes it less scary. If one PC has become a liability, ANDREA should not be the one to cap them in the back of the head. She should maybe be the one to give the order to the rest of the Cell to start putting holes in their ex-associate. If on the other hand the rest of the Cell refuses to retire their insane friend, then ANDREA should be on hand to call in the SWAT team that takes them down. Forget any thoughts of a cold unstoppable killer wading through the PCs guns blazing, I don't think anybody was suggesting that. By the time the cell is nuts enough to decide to throw in their lot against DG nothing short of an assualt team is likely to take them down. The one time I would consider using ANDREA directly against the PC in question is if you don't think that the player will react well to having the other players conspire against them. In that case step in as ANDREA and kill them. That way it's only the GM conspiring against them and they just have to deal with the loss of the character. > > The mere existence of ANDREA makes a good guys-bad guys camp again, and its > very simple: if ANDREA hasn't come looking for you, you're a good guy. But then, if you've killed a school bus full of children to stop the horror and ANDREA hasn't come a calling, does that mean that you did the right thing. It must do, unless the people you work for don't care, or are just as bad as the things you stop, they just hide it better under a person skin. Just because lack of ANDREA can be seen as approval from on high, doesn't relegate you to the good guys bench. If ALPHONSE sent you a thank you note and a bottle of rat-wine after every successful Op, it wouldn't make the bad things you've done seem any better. > As > soon as its us-them, there's less fear. 'They' become demons, who are > capable of any depravity, while 'we' are always the heroes. The good guys > and bad guys are identified. But if the PCs have to be self-cleaning, then > its existential horror time again. The wilderness of mirrors, where you're > never sure who's a friend and who's an enemy. > The PCs can and should do whatever they like or need to justify to themselves that what they're doing is right. I don't want players who will do whatever it takes to defeat the evil and then forget about it afterwards. I want them to try to rationalise it, and if they use approval from A Cell as a means of justifying what they've done, all the better. When A Cell gets corrupted, and they're not sure how long it's been that way, their world can come crashing down... -- Tim Betz _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of dg@fomalhaut.mmcc.monash.edu.au Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 11:17 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Why Hasn't Alphonse Gone Insane? On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Khorne wrote: > It still mitigates the horror. As I said, the players may notice that, > SOMEHOW, the threat is being contained, even when the threat is them, and > they start to think, well, its not so bad. Which is scarier: knowing that > some mysterious stranger is going to "bust a cap in your ass" because you > spent too much time with that old moldy book, or knowing your BEST FRIEND is > going to do it...may even want to do it? Knowing the mess will get cleaned > up makes it less scary. If one PC has become a liability, ANDREA should not be the one to cap them in the back of the head. She should maybe be the one to give the order to the rest of the Cell to start putting holes in their ex-associate. If on the other hand the rest of the Cell refuses to retire their insane friend, then ANDREA should be on hand to call in the SWAT team that takes them down. Forget any thoughts of a cold unstoppable killer wading through the PCs guns blazing, I don't think anybody was suggesting that. By the time the cell is nuts enough to decide to throw in their lot against DG nothing short of an assualt team is likely to take them down. The one time I would consider using ANDREA directly against the PC in question is if you don't think that the player will react well to having the other players conspire against them. In that case step in as ANDREA and kill them. That way it's only the GM conspiring against them and they just have to deal with the loss of the character. > > The mere existence of ANDREA makes a good guys-bad guys camp again, and its > very simple: if ANDREA hasn't come looking for you, you're a good guy. But then, if you've killed a school bus full of children to stop the horror and ANDREA hasn't come a calling, does that mean that you did the right thing. It must do, unless the people you work for don't care, or are just as bad as the things you stop, they just hide it better under a person skin. Just because lack of ANDREA can be seen as approval from on high, doesn't relegate you to the good guys bench. If ALPHONSE sent you a thank you note and a bottle of rat-wine after every successful Op, it wouldn't make the bad things you've done seem any better. > As > soon as its us-them, there's less fear. 'They' become demons, who are > capable of any depravity, while 'we' are always the heroes. The good guys > and bad guys are identified. But if the PCs have to be self-cleaning, then > its existential horror time again. The wilderness of mirrors, where you're > never sure who's a friend and who's an enemy. > The PCs can and should do whatever they like or need to justify to themselves that what they're doing is right. I don't want players who will do whatever it takes to defeat the evil and then forget about it afterwards. I want them to try to rationalise it, and if they use approval from A Cell as a means of justifying what they've done, all the better. When A Cell gets corrupted, and they're not sure how long it's been that way, their world can come crashing down... -- Tim Betz _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 11:22 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] ANDREA ----- Original Message ----- From: "David A. Farnell" <1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp> > > I just want to repeat what I said before--ANDREA-as-Cleaner is a list > legend. She (or he) is the natural result of overactive imaginations that > haven't been given any official information, and thus, she's exactly the > kind of bogeyman that agents in the field would conjure up. She's *supposed* > to be cheesey! Urban legends are always cheesey! It's right about there that I started thinking about Bloody Mary. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 11:22 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] ANDREA ----- Original Message ----- From: "David A. Farnell" <1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp> > > I just want to repeat what I said before--ANDREA-as-Cleaner is a list > legend. She (or he) is the natural result of overactive imaginations that > haven't been given any official information, and thus, she's exactly the > kind of bogeyman that agents in the field would conjure up. She's *supposed* > to be cheesey! Urban legends are always cheesey! It's right about there that I started thinking about Bloody Mary. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Chris Womack [jcwomack@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 11:26 PM To: deltagreen revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Why Hasn't Alphonse Gone Insane? on 8/21/01 2:06 AM, Khorne at khorne@cyberlink.bc.ca wrote: > Besides, the idea of a charcter like ANDREA is just a hackneyed piece of bad > spy fiction. I've been led to expect better from the DGML. Y'know, if the list isn't living up to your exacting standards, I've got the perfect solution for you: Sign off. Do us *all* a favor, already. Chris Womack jcwomack@earthlink.net Keeper of the DGML (Re'td.); COOF #0 _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Chris Womack [jcwomack@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 11:26 PM To: deltagreen revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Why Hasn't Alphonse Gone Insane? on 8/21/01 2:06 AM, Khorne at khorne@cyberlink.bc.ca wrote: > Besides, the idea of a charcter like ANDREA is just a hackneyed piece of bad > spy fiction. I've been led to expect better from the DGML. Y'know, if the list isn't living up to your exacting standards, I've got the perfect solution for you: Sign off. Do us *all* a favor, already. Chris Womack jcwomack@earthlink.net Keeper of the DGML (Re'td.); COOF #0 _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/