From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 5:11 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Fw: [jasfa] Ken Talton has sent you an article from thescotsman.co.uk Greetings. Iceweb wrote >I got sent this from another list I am on, and well it just seemed odd. >Anyone got any takes on this? >>A 64-year-old man lies dead for a year and no-one raises the alarm Happens all the time, especially in the summertime. We got at least three cases here in Italy this august. You can blame the syncopated tempo of our modern living, the weakening of social ties, the fact that as Bob Dylan sang "nobody gives a damn" or what. The newspapers mostly will if you won't. But there's a DG angle to the whole. Poppy Z. Brite (admittedly not my favourite provender of weird fiction, but YMMV) wrote a story ("Calcutta, Lord of Nerves", IIRC) based on the simple assumption that in such a place as Calcutta living conditions are such that you can't tell the dead from the living. Neat little idea, I say. Now, what we have here is another option - in the somewhat better-off West, you can't tell the living from the dead simply because the living entomb themselves in their apartments (and here I echo Thibault DeCastries' "Megalopolismancy") well before the Grim Reaper comes to pay a visit. Are your neighbors alive, now, in this very moment? And if they are not alive, what are they? In a truly Lovecraftian universe, we know that it's not a binary situation. I'm sure a scenario (or a story) hides in here somewhere. Davide Mana home alone Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 5:22 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Fw: [jasfa] Ken Talton has sent you an article from thescotsman.co.uk Iceweb wrote >I got sent this from another list I am on, and well it just seemed odd. >Anyone got any takes on this? ... >A 64-year-old man lies dead for a year and no-one raises the alarm Davide Mana wrote >But there's a DG angle to the whole. Poppy Z. Brite wrote a story based >on the simple assumption that in such a place as Calcutta living >conditions are such that you can't tell the dead from the living. I'm feeling a strong Hastur vibe on this as well. Substitute Carcosa for Calcutta and the statement is even more true. As the times begin that a man can lay dead for eight months before being noticed, is our world shifting towards Carcosa? It sure sounds like it. Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Marc J Cassell [nekonube2k@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 6:35 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Fw: [jasfa] Ken Talton has sent you an article from thescotsman.co.uk Well it looks like I'm not stepping on PISCES toes here so.... On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:11:03 +0200 Davide Mana writes: > >>A 64-year-old man lies dead for a year and no-one raises the alarm > > Happens all the time, especially in the summertime. > We got at least three cases here in Italy this august. Well I had no idea that many old Chinese men were dropping dead in Italy Seriously but what about the smell, no one noticed? Eight months is quite a while, no smell, no bugs? Nothing that attracted the neighbors to complain? Doesn't sound right. > > You can blame the syncopated tempo of our modern living, the > weakening of > social ties, the fact that as Bob Dylan sang "nobody gives a damn" > or what. > The newspapers mostly will if you won't. True, it could be a sign of the endtimes, but I like to use Grandpa's distrust of foreigners in this type of case. It doesn't get enough play, IMHO > > But there's a DG angle to the whole. > Now, what we have here is another option - in the somewhat > better-off West, > you can't tell the living from the dead simply because the living > entomb > themselves in their apartments (and here I echo Thibault DeCastries' > > "Megalopolismancy") well before the Grim Reaper comes to pay a > visit. > Are your neighbors alive, now, in this very moment? > And if they are not alive, what are they? > In a truly Lovecraftian universe, we know that it's not a binary > situation. Here I like the concept of the fear of dieing alone or unknown. What if in a sense the man had died and lived undead until he was about to be found when he could leave the mortal realm. But another thought which came to me is that what if he was truly alive yesterday or so? Someone comes out of the woodwork saying that they talked to / saw him yesterday. What uses could there be for a spell, tech, or item that could age a body 8 months in a day? What happens if an agent comes home to find the informant he talked to a week ago dead in his home, and the forensics report shows about 8 months of decomposition. Then it gets strange that no one else has seen the guy for that length of time, or isn't willing to admit it. > > I'm sure a scenario (or a story) hides in here somewhere. > > Davide Mana > home alone > Torino, Italy > I'm sure it does, but one last thing gets me here. The man has six children. Plus him that is 7 We heard from the MIB only a little while ago, stating that he wasn't dead but he felt like it. Is this a warning? Iceweb ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Rodemaker [dar@horusinc.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:29 PM To: Delta-Green Mailing List Subject: [DG] Lords of the Instrumentality?? Ok... IIRC it was on this list that Cordwainer Smith and his tales somehow relating to a group known as "The Lords of the Instrumentality" was mentioned. Could whomever knows what this group is/what they represent send me a private email with a shortish synopsis? I am not worried about spoilers, I just want a decent idea of what they are and if I want to track down the stories and novels... Of course, if it is truly DG relevant please feel free to post to the list. Thanks, David _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Charles Ripper [yeroshka7@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:56 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Fw: [jasfa] Ken Talton has sent you an article from thescotsman.co.uk >From: Marc J Cassell >Seriously but what about the smell, no one noticed? > >Eight months is quite a while, no smell, no bugs? >Nothing that attracted the neighbors to complain? >Doesn't sound right. Death does not equal putrefication. Depending on the humidity of the area where the body sat, it probably desciated (dried out). The stench of death comes from putrefication. I spent a summer attached to the Medical Examiner's in Philadelphia and got to see a number of bodies that had been exposed and untended for several days, and there was no discernable smell to them. Charles _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of CelticHound [celtichound@foobox.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 9:40 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] From the CDC "John Petherick" wrote: > Now, far more interesting, especially to the more prurient - botulism from > eating improperly fermented beaver. > http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5032a2.htm Well, it could have been porcupine... "But, Venerable Sir, were you not aware that porcupine can be fatal unless properly prepared?" -- The Bridge of Birds -- CH _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 11:49 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] buying Kevlar (Warning: Kevlar Fondling) On 21 August 2001, "The Lizard King" wrote: > Speaking of resistance to cuts, there are knit Kevlar glove liners, >forearm >sleeves, work gloves and mittens. LEOs use the glove liners and sleeves as >lightweight protection from slashing blades and the work gloves and mittens >can be found in industrial safety equipment catalogues. I think they can also be found in the Brigade Quartermaster and Gall's catalogs. > > There are also gloves for LEO use that are reinforced with Kevlar. >Frisking >suspects is a risky endeavor in the age of AIDS. Also for sale in Gall's & Brigade QM. Besides the Kevlar-reinforced gloves, there are some others which provide protection against "hazardous fluids", "blood-borne pathogens", and the like. And I believe I've heard of some which combine the Kevlar and the fluid barrier, yet are still thin enough for easy weapons handling, and the like... Just the sort of wear for Nights at the Opera! Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com "...Agent's gloves.... Wearing them, I could have stirred boiling acid, or picked up a dime and told you by feel whether it was heads or tails..." -- Agent CAVANAUGH, "The Puppet Masters", Robert A. Heinlein _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Khorne [khorne@cyberlink.bc.ca] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 1:51 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] buying Kevlar (Warning: Kevlar Fondling) A very good friend of mine is a combat engineer in the Canadian Army. Among his duties is the emplacement of rolls of barb wire (not so common anymore) and razor wire (very popular). He told me that the engineers who have to actually handle the stuff use simple heavy leather work gloves and butcher's aprons, although a lot of them are investing in a set of butcher's chainmail gloves, which cannot be cut (at least, not easily enough to trouble one's peace of mind). I asked him about Kevlar gloves. He told me that Kevlar gloves were expensive, and unpopular with the engineers he knew because they made your hands sweat. Although permeable to moisture, they weren't permeable fast enough, and trapped a lot of persperation next to the skin. Apparently, razor wire will cut a Kevlar glove, too, or, at least, the ones he worked with. The holy grail for cut proof things to wear on your hands is something called a Slashguard glove. These cannot be cut, and are made of some combination of canvass and nylon, which allows the skin to breathe. ">> Speaking of resistance to cuts, there are knit Kevlar glove liners, >>forearm >>sleeves, work gloves and mittens. LEOs use the glove liners and sleeves as >>lightweight protection from slashing blades and the work gloves and mittens >>can be found in industrial safety equipment catalogues." Kevlar and Spectra are also popular as the materials that mountaineering ropes are made from. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 7:54 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Greetings and Questions From: "Jeff Schreier" > Also - do any of you ever have problems with the DG > system? We've always run into issues with power > levels ... it frequently seems that characters with > starting stat packages are too weak I have to agree that the regular CoC system, which is weighted toward generating "regular folks" with high education levels, can turn out DG agents who seem a bit wimpy for people in their line of work. But the new edition of the CoC rulebook has an alternate character generation system that gives players points to buy characteristics and skills. It's very easy to just tweak that until you've got the "power level" you prefer. You could also create "package deals" for various character types, like "intelligence agent," "criminal investigator," and so on. These could come with bonuses to certain crucial skills and attributes, like "+20% to handgun" or something like that. Hans' suggestion to use another system is a good choice, too. Personally, I got comfortable with 3 or 4 rule systems years ago and just use those for all my games--I don't have much time to learn any big new rule sets these days. If you've got one that you prefer, CoC is generally quite easy to convert. The magic rules are simple, and after all, "unstoppable cosmic horror" doesn't really NEED stats. A lot of rules conversions and other mods (and tons of other info) are available in the Ice Cave: http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm This is also the place to go for any newcomers wanting to catch up on the best of the old threads. Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 8:54 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Fw: [jasfa] Ken Talton has sent you an article from thescotsman.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Davide Mana" > Now, what we have here is another option - in the somewhat better-off West, > you can't tell the living from the dead simply because the living entomb > themselves in their apartments (and here I echo Thibault DeCastries' > "Megalopolismancy") well before the Grim Reaper comes to pay a visit. > Are your neighbors alive, now, in this very moment? > And if they are not alive, what are they? > In a truly Lovecraftian universe, we know that it's not a binary situation. Harlan Ellison's "The Whimper of Whipped Dogs" is my favorite piece of urban horror. No name for the god or spells or incantations. It's already out there doing what it does among the thousands of threats of urban living. The invocation is simply "Not me! Anyone but me!" and worship consists of witnessing all the awful things that happen to everyone who isn't on the inside. Kitty Genovese called on the wrong god. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rob Shankly [ludo@bigpond.com.au] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 9:33 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Why Hasn't Alphonse Gone Insane? Greetings all dg@fomalhaut.mmcc.monash.edu.au wrote: > > On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Khorne wrote: > > > And the player will react any better to the GM bumping them off? Once more, > > I must stress that the game mechanics use for ANDREA that I'm perceiving is > > as a rather heavy handed 'correction factor' for the way the players are > > playing. Game mechanics? Que? Players and playing? I think not. It is pretty clear that A-cell is paranoid and intensely defensive. ANDREA as envisioned by the list is their leukocyte. She protects the conspiracy. If the PCs endanger the conspiracy, they get warned if possible. But if the warning is unheeded or the damage too great, then ANDREA steps into the action. This is all about the _character's_ actions, not the playing style of the group or individual player. A GM who attempts to solve social problems within his group through in game actions is sucking about for trouble. The GM _must_not_ apply his/her own moral code to the PC's actions. The GM should apply A-Cell's code. There is a moral component to this, IMO, but it is dominated by A-Cell's survival instinct. > > > As the player of a character who was shot in the back of the head at point > blank range by another character because ANDREA told him that was what he > needed to do to sort out the mess they were in, I was extremely angry at > the other player for the next five minutes or so, and spent the rest of > the session calming down by calling him a "back stabbing mother fucker". > I suspect that had an NPC agent shot me, I would have cursed my stupidity > for allowing the sneaky bastard to stand behind me, but that would have > been the limit of my response. The emotional ties between PCs are far > stronger than between a PC and an NPC and so if a trusted PC (or group of > PCs) breaches that trust the player feels the effects much more so than > if an NPC were to do so. > > It's just not a good session unless the players want to kill each other > afterwards, eh Rob? Ahem. A remarkable night of play, large parts of which were discussed on list about 18 months ago- I won't reinvent the wheel. The player who character carried out the execution was shocked, scared and _horrified_. The other players were dismayed. Tim has described his own reaction. This is what horror is about. One brief point- the game had been running for a year, and I trusted the players involved to back out if it got too intense. The whole power of the event came from the fact that it was _player_ characters who were involved, not Andrea played by me (I co-opted a friend called Anthony for a one-night appearance and instructed him to get one of the regular players to do the job). And to get to Tim's question- I thought he was going to kill _me_ :-) > > > That's horror. Knowing the corretion is coming mitigates the horror, > > because you can say "Those ANDREA punishes are the villains." Deliberately I sprang it on the group, not even telling them to expect Anth on the night, and not letting him talk to them when he arrived. I didn't want to mitigate the effect. >From time to time PCs may be able to say "We did the right thing, A-Cell have given our actions blessing", but this is a delusion. ANDREA does not necessarily punish villains. ANDREA deals with threats, villainous or saintly. The Ends Justify The Means, etc. DG agents may be able to find justification for their actions, if they are lucky. But often they do not: "Get used to the taste of ashes". The same game saw the PCs resurrect two pre-teen victims of a serial kidnapper/killer. All five characters were convinced that the others would decide to kill the kids. All of them prepared to kill the other agents so that they could keep the children alive. None of them responded to A-Cell's attempts to get in touch. The tension as the players eyes darted about the room was extraordinary. Paranoia ruled. Horror. For those with a nasty turn of mind (OK, quite a lot of us) there is an interesting theme to explore here, repeated loss of innocence. First the neophyte character has his first mythos experience. Then s/he encounters DG, or MJ12. Then they prove themselves and are admitted to the conspiracy. Next the situations and instructions become increasingly morally ambiguous, but all the time the PCs are saying "It is OK, A-Cell knows best, they are good guys, we are on the right hand of God". Then they realize that A-Cell is groping in the dark, reacting by crude reflex... (-) -- Rob Shankly ludo@bigpond.com.au Better living through reckless experimentation. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 11:27 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: [DG] The bugs revisited A fitful night of sleep last night gave me plenty of wakeful moments to ponder some ideas, new and old. I thought some of you might like to hear the fruits of my insomnia. Besides, I'm looking for a suggestion on how to plausibly explain part of it. Feedback welcome and encouraged. I started with the alien bug thread that we had here several weeks ago. For those new to the list and those with short-term memory issues, a super-short recap: A gate to another world accidentally gives a swarm of alien insects access to Earth before it's closed. The bugs swarm around the nearest person, biting, and then fly off. A few weeks later all the eggs they laid in the person hatch, the larvae grow quickly, and fly off to find new hosts to hatch eggs in. That's the Readers Digest version of a long and very cool thread. But where would it go from there? The insects just reproducing seems so ordinary for the DG universe. There's gotta be more. That's where insomnia came in useful last night. has been working on some new nanotechnology. Basically, when introduced to a host it's primary program is to build replicas of itself. Those replicas build replicas, and so on, for a predetermined number of iterations they have enough of the nanomachines to fulfill the rest of their functions. Some of the machines are assigned the function of infiltrating the central nervous system in such a way as to do no damage but to be able to take control of it. Others congeal into a computer implant, of sorts. This computer includes a transmitter and receiver that allows it to talk to any other system like it within a mile or two. As long as it receives no commands, the whole system lies dormant - waiting. But how to spread the nanomachines? This is a problem that the creators of the machines have been working on with little success. For a long time now they have resorted to manually injecting them into unsuspecting people who think they are getting vaccinations, treatments, transfusions, whatever. But this is a tedious process in the big picture, and fraught with the danger of being caught. But these new alien insects that have been causing quite a stir show some promise. They capture a few of the insects and identify the females. Then they surgically implant the nanomachines into the unfertilized eggs of the females, let the males fertilize them, and then release them into the wild. Inside the egg, some of the nanomachines are inside the developing creature and some are in the liquid surrounding the creature. The egg gets implanted by the insect into a bitten human host and continues it's development. Once it hatches, the nanomachines that were not inside the larvae are released into the human host. The ones that were inside the bug fly off with the bug. Now, if the bug is female, any eggs that it develops will also be infected so when they are laid they will infect another human. If the bug is male then it is just a carrier with no possibility to spread the infection to a human. However, if it mates with a female, then that female becomes infected. As the modified swarms grow, infection rates in humans grow exponentially. Eventually, the network is pervasive. Using a command module, a controller can address any infected individual through the network and monitor or control their central nervous system. Cool stuff. One problem that I have worked out yet: There needs to be a plausible explanation of why an alien insect species would target only humans as hosts for their eggs. Is there an example in nature of an insect that targets only humans for it's bites? I think probably not. Any ideas on how to explain this? Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of lwinkler@bradley.edu Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 12:05 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The bugs revisited Quoting "Gatten, Marshall" : > One problem that I have worked out yet: There needs to be a plausible explanation of why an alien insect species would target only humans as hosts > for their eggs. Is there an example in nature of an insect that targets only humans for it's bites? I think probably not. Any ideas on how to explain > this? Maybe the creatures need certain Electro-Magnetic signatures to mature while inside the host. May or may not work scientifically. Alternately, go for something like Orgone energy or just straight up POW/MP. Alternately, there are a ton of species of these creatures on the alien world. They are all hyperspecialized, only paristatizing(sp?) one species. A single alien species is close enough in body chemistry that its insects can infect us, but only us (maybe because we're the only species heavily modified by the Mi-Go?). Third option. They don't evolve very quickly on their homeworld. Low radiation and whatnot. Their genome is set up to grab ahold of what differences they do get (less meaningless sections, overlapping genes). So now, all the bugs inside the Agents' bodies mutate rapidly, killing all the ones who don't mutate to use human body chemistry to their advantage. Not quite sure on the long term effects of the third, and the first sounds a little hooky. Number Two makes a lot of sense to me, but I'm just throwing out ideas. Anyway, sorry for rambling. Landon Out _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Don Fougere [bolide@mars.ark.com] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 12:25 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The bugs revisited The bugs revisitedGatten, Along a similar line of thought, in relation to other RPGs, most specifically SF related, I was thinking about the possibility of a NASA or similar probe, such as Stardust, going about and collecting cosmic dust from the solar plane. What would happen if they brought the mission platform back after recovering it by shuttle (weird stuff could happen here too)! What if a piece of alien nanotechnology was lodged in the aerogel filters meant to collect cosmic dust. Humanity isn't the only civilization that would use nanotechnology to do all it's dirty work mining jobs and maybe other tasks, such as harvesting the components that make food for its masters. Taking this a step further, what would happen is Panspermia came into play. If biogenic material could??? conceivably migrate between stellar systems, why not nanotechnologies. Nothing to say that some alien intelligence couldn't even send out nanotechnology probes. Then again nothing states that the nanotech has to migrate from out of our stellar system, It could be from Yoggoth. Has all sorts of possibilities, depending on the function of the nanotechnology and the chain of events that leads to the recovery. Especially if it is only first discovered under quarantine within NASA or similar labs, say in Japan or Europe. Cheers, Don Fougere Image Sleuth - Analytical Imaging Solutions Lazo, B.C. bolide@mars.ark.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Gatten, Marshall To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 9:26 AM Subject: [DG] The bugs revisited A fitful night of sleep last night gave me plenty of wakeful moments to ponder some ideas, new and old. I thought some of you might like to hear the fruits of my insomnia. Besides, I'm looking for a suggestion on how to plausibly explain part of it. Feedback welcome and encouraged. From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Marc J Cassell [nekonube2k@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 12:59 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The bugs revisited On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:26:52 -0700 "Gatten, Marshall" writes: > A fitful night of sleep last night gave me plenty of wakeful moments > to > ponder some ideas, new and old. I thought some of you might like to > hear the > fruits of my insomnia. Besides, I'm looking for a suggestion on how > to > plausibly explain part of it. Feedback welcome and encouraged. I had horrid insomnia last night also. Anyone got satellite imagery of where RyLeth should be, any thing odd happen round there? > > > has been > working on some new nanotechnology. > One problem that I have worked out yet: There needs to be a > plausible > explanation of why an alien insect species would target only humans > as hosts > for their eggs. Is there an example in nature of an insect that > targets only > humans for it's bites? I think probably not. Any ideas on how to > explain > this? > > Marshall Ok bad guys who got nano tech. Why do they have to be on this side of the gate? Bio engineer an insect race to seek out and infest humans. Inject them with the nano bots, and then wait for a fool to open a gate. Plenty of fools in this world you know. Iceweb ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 2:06 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Gone Insane? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Wayne Zeller" >> >> The point is that some substance that blunts emotional responses to avoid >> san loss could be a very useful thing, but you'd have to be very careful >to >> only give it to people who fit a psychological profile that says they >won't >> use their sociopathic state to do "evil" things. This does not sounds like avoiding SAN loss, this sounds like increasing it in order to shift the resulting insanity into a more controlled direction. I'd say that such a substance would MAXIMIZE sanity loss making 1d6/1d20 into a 6/20, but with a limited pallette of available insanities, and side effects including addiction to the substance. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 2:09 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Greetings and Questions -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Schreier >More recently, we converted the game into GURPs .... >there is a supplement, Cthulhupunk, which has stats >for a lot of the mythos creatures --- and the system >has worked fairly well thus far. Study of the following documents is mandatory: http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/char.html http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/rules.html http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/dggurps.htm http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/dggurps2.htm Should you fail to do so, you may be used as reactor shielding. That is all. Thank You for your Cooperation. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Ethan Butterfield [primus@veris.org] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 2:10 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Greetings and Questions -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 09:09:11AM -1000, The Man in Black wrote: > Should you fail to do so, you may be used as reactor shielding. That is > all. Thank You for your Cooperation. Lock up the severed heads, the MiB is back in town! (and there was much rejoicing) - -- "And as things fell apart, nobody paid much attention." - Talking Heads, "(Nothing But) Flowers" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7hVUKAmwSMwnpLHgRAoyeAJ4wLMoR38iuetYT7DzQavrxZT+HOQCfTrf4 NyFyYl839tcV95iNWuKIOz8= =Mhcx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 2:18 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Greetings and Questions Welcome back, man in black! eckhard The Man in Black schrieb: [snip] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 2:40 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Gone Insane? *gibbers in greeting to MiB* _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 2:52 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] toner supplies WHAT? Christopher (Case Officer) you are about to graduate from Stone Cold University: >My apologies, folks. I have changed a setting on the list so it should now >refuse messages from nonsubscribers. WHAT? You apologize to the folks? WHAT? Lookatcha! YOU'RE PATHETIC! You Make me Sick! WHAT? That's right, you Make me SICK! With your s f REVOLUTION and your spam-magnet list... WHAT? Yes, that makes you a spammer, an accomplice to spam. WHAT? My Name is the Man in Black and I do not DESERVE to be spammed by the likes of you and your Vortex pals. WHAT? Your Vortex pals... You know what I think about your Vortex spam buddies? I THINK THEY COMPLETELY SUCK! I think YOU suck! WHAT? YOU SUCK! Lookatcha! Yer PATHETIC! * gives Agent Christopher the Stone Cold Stunner and the Double Middle Finger * >- Shane Ivey (who sucks) > >R E V O L U T I O N s f (which sucks) >the revolution in sci-fi >http://revolutionsf.com/ The Man in Black is : hoping to be appreciated and loved someday. WHAT? Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:02 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Why Hasn't Alphonse Gone Insane? From: Gil Trevizo > This brought up the general question of how Alphonse >could know all that he must know about the Mythos based on being the center >of DG intel and not go balls-to-the-wall bonkers in record time. [A bunch of crap WHAT? CRAP! snipped] Big Al just made all his SAN rolls and got a lot of Sanity awards you retard. WHAT? That's right, YOU'RE RETARDED! The Man in Black is : deserving better than this thread. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:20 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: MiB and Digest (was [DG] (SPOILERS) Human Psy...) From: David A. Farnell <1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp> >His PC has been broken for months...I think we'll have to take up a >collection. Or we could just send him random parts (without explanation) and >hope one fixes the problem. Cable Modem = Replaced, Life in General = Sucking huge gaping gulping gasps of Suck. And to make an actual On-Topic post: The thought of someone receiving weird shit in the mail needs further exploration. Horror By Postal Service Mailmen "Go Postal" The US Postal Inspection Service (Highly Underrated Agency I might add) A person who gets clockwork parts in the mail from an unknown or mysterious source and builds a Carcosan Device (TM) or investigates the Clockworker source (parts sent to him by robots and the finished product replaces the addressee?) Mail Order Mythos Tomes (like the Rosicruicians) And let us not forget Majestic's Groversville Junk Mail facility. The Man in Black is : still Stone Cold (WHAT?) Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Shannon [darklord@pophost.alaska.net] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:34 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Why Hasn't Alphonse Gone Insane? >The Man in Black is : deserving better than this thread. >Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum >http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] >http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] Well, I'll be damned. The myth has returned. Either that or he finally learned what the terms "library" or "cyber-cafe" mean and deigned to send us a message. DarkLord _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Shannon [darklord@pophost.alaska.net] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:43 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] osirs.net Has anyone used this site in a DG or other consiracy game? I ran across it in the latest demonground, which someone posted a link to a while back. I've registered at the site, but I'm not running a game right now, though the possibilities for keeper(s) w/ computer savvy and net connected (i.e., not the MiB) players is truly mouth-watering. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Khorne [khorne@cyberlink.bc.ca] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 1:14 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The bugs revisited "Some of the machines are assigned the function of infiltrating the central nervous system in such a way as to do no damage but to be able to take control of it. Others congeal into a computer implant, of sorts. This computer includes a transmitter and receiver that allows it to talk to any other system like it within a mile or two." I like the idea of the insects themselves becoming this CPU within the host. Sort of like the Aliens from the films of the same name, the flying insects are self-mobile penises, whose only function is to lay eggs in a host. These eggs then amplify within that host into the biological computer implant. "Eventually, the network is pervasive. Using a command module, a controller can address any infected individual through the network and monitor or control their central nervous system." Building on the theme of the insects becoming bio-CPU, they may control their home plent and the species larger and more capable then themselves in this way. Thus, they intelligently seek out the apex species, and, when looses on earth, they do the same with people, always attempting to assert their control. "Is there an example in nature of an insect that targets only humans for it's bites?" I don't know about a predator specifically targeting humans, but I think there are cases of predators having a specific single species as a prey animal. This is not exactly the case, but sperm whales prefer squids, and great white sharks prefer seals. Jumping onto a different train from my last statement, great white sharks and seals are enemies. Does it seem plausible that a military unit organized to oppose the US Navy SEALs would be called the White Sharks? From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Khorne [khorne@cyberlink.bc.ca] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Son of Sam The murder spree of the .44 Caliber Killer, David Berkowitz, in New York in 1976 and 1977 was plenty terrifying, but, if author Maury Terry is right, the Son of Sam is but the tip of a Satanic conspiracy enough to make a strong man crumble. On the face of it, the explanation of the Son of Sam killings starts and end with Berkowitz. He fits the profile of a serial killer: a maladjusted loner with poor social skills. Since Berkowitz fits the profile of a serial killer, it also mitigates against a Satanic conspiracy, since serial killers, paranoid schizophrenics or sexually frustrated misfits they are, cannot easily function in any kind of group, especially a global occult conspiracy. Terry takes a U-turn by ascribing the killings not to Berkowitz alone, but to a kitschy Satanic cult that Berkowitz had affiliations to called the Children, who got up to things nefarious in Yonker's Untermeyer park. Terry germinates his theory in comments that David Berkowitz himself made to cell mates and other inmates in prison, and accepts Berkowitz' comments because they are not self serving, go only into the sketchiest details, and Berkowitz refused to use them as the basis for neither his defense during his original trial nor any subsequent appeals. It all begins with Berkowitz' purported inside knowledge of the murder of one Arliss Perry, who was found apparently ritually murdered in the Stanford University chapel on October 12th, 1974, a date which is significant because it is not only the birth date of infamous Aleister Crowley, but also of John Carr. John Carr is part of the North Dakota link to the Son of Sam killings. Carr matches the description of the gunman in one of the Son of Sam killings. He also went by the nicknames "Wheaties" and "John Wheaties". One of the Son of Sam's letters to the police makes "John Wheaties" out to be a rather unsavory character. Carr was a known Satanist, and Terry postulates that both he and Berkowitz were members of the Children. Sam Carr was a real son of Sam, since his father's name was Sam Carr. Sam Carr owned the dog who supposedly supplied David Berkowitz with his commands to kill. The North Dakota link runs like this. First, Arliss Perry as from North Dakota. Second, in 1978, North Dakota police received a package which contained a book on witchcraft. Written on the book, in David Berkowitz' handwriting, were the words "Arliss Perry Hunted Stalked Slain. Followed to Calif. Stanford University." Finally, Carr was found dead on a North Dakota air force base in 1979. He had apparently committed suicide with a shotgun blast to the head, although someone had thoughtfully daubed "666" and "NY SS" in his blood near the body. Maury Terry sees "NY SS" as a reference to the Son of Sam murders, although others link it to a vicious, legendary motor cycle gang with Mafia connections, the New York SS, which both Carr and Berkowitz had links with via their military service. So what is the significance of Arliss Perry? Terry's theory holds that Terry, a devout Christian, had first tried to convert, then expose a Satanic organization. This may have been the Children, or, as Terry prefers, the principle group mentioned in the book sent to North Dakota police in 1978, the Process Church of Final Judgement. The Process Church is based in San Francisco, a city with occult significance, and was founded and led by one Robert de Grimston (nee Moore), an acknowledged influence on Charles Manson. Knew he was gonna show up, didn't ya? A sandy haired man was seen near the Stanford University chapel around the same time as Arliss Perry's murder. This sandy haired man matches the description of the shooter in the second Son of Sam murder, and Berkowitz himself says the two individuals are one and the same, an "occult superstar" Berkowitz identifies only as Manson II. Here Perry finally has the ammunition to create his full blown theory. He fleshes this "occult superstar" out using allusions and intimations from Berkowitz. Manson II was an associate of the original Charles Manson and a member of a sort of transcontinental occult hit squad who cris-crossed the country to rub out renegade cultists, potential witnesses, outside meddlers, and "those pesky kids and their dog". Berkowitz gained his inside knowledge of the Arliss Perry murder from this Manson II individual, who regaled the Children with grisly tales in Untermeyer Park. This hit squad, then, did for Arliss Perry, committed some, if not all, of the Son of Sam murders, and put paid to John Carr. Perry's theory, then, has it that the various Satanic groups scattered across the country aren't individual enclaves of evil, but part of a loose affiliation which embraces the entire continent, perhaps the world, both held together and served by this mobile Satanic assassin squad. Terry tentatively identifies Manson II as William Mentzer. Mentzer did indeed move in the same circles as Charles Manson, and most likely the two knew each other. Mentzer also knew Abigail Folger, the coffee heiress murderer by Manson's Family. Mentzer had also been Larry Flynt's body guard. Mentzer was arrested in Los Angeles in 1988 for killing Roy Radin, and the Los Angeles police openly acknowledge Mentzer's membership in some type of hit squad. Radin was a film-maker and deviant whose last work, "The Cotton Club", was supposed to resurrect his Hollywood career. Instead, his attempt to have Miami drug dealer Karen Greenberger finance it led to his death at Mentzer's hands. All in all, the world is better off without Radin, if one believes the stories of the terrors he encouraged, then FILMED, in his Long Island mansion. Now things get ugly. There is a persistent rumor that at least one of the Son of Sam murders was filmed, and this "snuff movie" circulated among the deviant circles in the world. Radin also has tentative links to the Children, so, if the Children had a role in the Son of Sam murders, then the logical film-maker of one of the killings would be Roy Radin. There are equally nebulous but persistent rumors that Radin allowed the Children to conduct their rituals on properties he owned and/ or controlled, including his house on the island, where the NYPD broke up at least two drug and sex orgies, which Radin was filming. It would appear that, in addition to all the mistakes Radin made in trying to get the Cotton Club off the ground, he also ran afoul of the Satanic conspiracy, and was dispatched by the hit squad in the person of Bill Mentzer. Rounding things out, the same prison sources that led Maury Terry to Berkowitz' allegations of involvement in a Satanic cult also attest that Charles Manson was instructed by unnamed parties to direct his Family to kill Tate, LaBianca, et al. So now we have a tentative link between four sets of murders: Arliss Perry in 1974, the Son of Sam in 76-77, John Carr in 1978, and the manson Family's actions of the late 1960s. Is that the end of it? Apparently not. The Son of Sam correspondence was marked up with occult symbols created by 19th century occult impresario Eliphas Levi, which Berkowitz feels he was directed to place on the letters (smells like mind control, doesn't it?). One of the Son of Sam murders occurred outside a New York area disco called Elephas, and in one of the Son of Sam letters, the killer referred to himself as a "chubby behemoth", possibly an elephant. Michael Hoffman II runs with this idea and posits the idea that Eliphas Levi either discovered or created a set of psychoactive occult symbols that, when assembled properly, would compel a person to commit ritual murder. Berkowitz did, Manson did, and the symbol combinations were apparently known to both the Children, the Process Church, and the unnamed hit squad. That's quite a theory, isn't it? If there isn't something for Delta Green in here somewhere, I'll eat my hat. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jussi Marttila [velcrokf@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:04 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Greetings and Questions I second that emotion. The list has been way too tame without you. And the Gerbils have been restless. Jussi >Welcome back, man in black! > >eckhard > > >The Man in Black schrieb: >[snip] > >_______________________________________ >The Delta Green Mailing List >http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 4:27 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Greetings and Questions He's back! Now we can really get going again! Welcome back MiB - I've been missing you badly (and that says it all) ;-> Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 12:16 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] buying Kevlar (Warning: crossbow fondling) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Khorne" > aprons, although a lot of them are investing in a set of butcher's chainmail > gloves, which cannot be cut (at least, not easily enough to trouble one's > peace of mind). Interesting. You remark about sweat. I've worn full plate armour and mail (in my SCA days) and I can testify that mail has a tremendous advantage when it comes to sweat. I.e you can sweat. Hmmm. I'd love to try my crossbow (Excaliber Exomag - http://archery1.com/exomag.htm ) on some of that Kevlar stuff. If a knife can penetrate it, would a hunting point (razor sharp) do as well? Only one way to find out. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:33 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Gone Insane? [Damn, how did he escape the Mutated Fire Ants and Rabid Mongeese\ooses?] Er, I mean, welcome back! [Point Five, ready the CyberSharks(tm)!] Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:46 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] buying Kevlar (Warning: crossbow fondling) > If a knife can penetrate it, would a hunting point (razor sharp) do > as well? Only one way to find out. A hunting point on a crossbow bolt will do quite nicely against Kevlar. The Kevlar might slow it down a bit, but not usually enough to be useful unless the bolt has already expended most of its energy. Threats like this and knives are the reason most Kevlar vests have special pockets in them made for steel plates. A steel plate will stop most anything short of a very high power rifle with special bullets. The vest that I used to wear had a heart covering plate (about 6 inches by 7 inches), and four small plates (4" by 4"?) around the stomach to avoid "gut wounds". One thing to be careful of if you have characters running around in Kevlar is making sure that the players are quite aware that being shot in Kevlar HURTS! Basically, the force of the bullet gets spread around an area about six inches wide instead of nine millimeters wide (or whatever the bullet would have been). That's enough to knock you on your butt and probably break a rib or three if it was fired from a powerful gun. Even a small handgun is going to hurt like hell and keep you from running after whoever shot you. The best bet if you get shot with a vest on is to play dead until they go away, because if you move they'll just shoot you again and this time probably not in the chest. Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 7:37 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Greetings and Questions Just when you thought it was safe to bugger the hedgehog... the Man in Black returneth! Where ye been, man? J. Edward -- CAMPUS CRUSADE FOR CTHULHU -- Dubai, United Arab Emirates /-----------/---\-----------\ ------------|O O|------------ ------------\VAV/------------ -------------I I------------- "and who knows what depths lay in limitless sand; or what horrors are leashed by a great ebon hand?" - Ialdaloboth _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 6:33 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Why Hasn't Alphonse Gone Insane? At 10:01 AM 8/23/2001 -1000, The Man in Black wrote: >Big Al just made all his SAN rolls and got a lot of Sanity awards you >retard. WHAT? That's right, YOU'RE RETARDED! Boy ain't here a day and he's already itching for a milk bath. Oh it's true, it's DAMN true... Gil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/