From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 12:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Newbie Greetings. >Hi, Iīm Eduardo and I am from Brazil! Welcome! >Sorry for my written english, happilly I can understand everything you >guys write, but not always you wil understand what I write, so, please TRY to. Take it easy - I have it on good authority we second-language English writers are the best ones ;> >I have already ordered my copy od DG at amazon, but a havenīt received it yet. > >But, I have some questions: > >1) What movies should I whatch tho get the feeling of DG campaigns ( >except for X-files )? >2) What books to read? >3) Does Tom Clancyīs book have something in common with DG universe? > >Thank you All There should be reference lists for books, movies and even background music in the Ice Cave. There should be?! I put them there! http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm Check out the CO and General Utilities section - the stuff in there should be useful for any starting DG keeper. This is true for all the other new members (welcome, by the way!) too - just take a look around the Cave: while there's a search engine and stuff, browsing can lead you to something you were not looking for, but might find useful. As for Clancy, he writes good reference but (IMHO) so-so fiction. As long as you lift his tech (with moderation) and have better plots, your games should rock. Hope this helps. Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 4:19 PM To: Dgrpg (E-mail) Subject: [DG] NRO on easter egg hunt "Spy Probe Seeks Cache Of Classified Documents" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10293-2001Aug28.html The interesting thing is the spy in question worked for the NRO. More interesting: why is this guy alive (Considering Leupus). Rus Rayburn Department of Technology City of Columbus, Ohio rerayburn@cmhmetro.net 614.645.5719 _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Hans-Christian Vortisch [greytiga@zedat.fu-berlin.de] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 4:13 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Clancy Bashing was Re: [DG] Newbie >As for Clancy, he writes good reference but (IMHO) so-so fiction. As long as you lift his tech (with moderation) and have better plots, your games should rock. Actually, given the rescources and access the guy has to all that stuff he writes about, his reports are remarkably faulty. I find you loads of factual mistakes in ANY book he has written, which is why I have ceased reading them (plus, as FEstus remarked, the guy knows shit about the world outside his own experience). Just my pedantic two Pfennige here. Cheers HANS _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Mr. Zero [mrzero@twilite.org] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 4:51 PM To: Delta Green Friendlies Subject: [DG] TCCorp rocks my world yet again. Preaching to the choir I know. Just wanted to express how GREAT the customer service at TCCorp is.... I called earlier today to check on my Countdown order and left a voicemail. Scott called back in just a few hours to let me know what the situation was.... you guys rule. sean -- mrzero@twilite.org Homepage: http://www.twilite.org/~mrzero ICQ: 121817936 DG-DarkTide: http://brsp.net/~mrzero "Scotch, straight up, no xeno-linguistic virus. Please." _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 5:52 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: Clancy Bashing was Re: [DG] Newbie Greetings again. Hans wrote >Actually, given the rescources and access the guy has to all that stuff he >writes about, his reports are remarkably faulty. I find you loads of factual >mistakes in ANY book he has written, which is why I have ceased reading them >(plus, as FEstus remarked, the guy knows shit about the world outside his >own experience). Just my pedantic two Pfennige here. I'll accept your word on the tech. I'm no expert. My main problem with Clancy is the way he builds his plots and the way he narrates them. He lacks subtlety, or even a technique - he just goes on relentlessly, like a brick flying through a window pane. He's clearly much more interested in hitting you with technobabble and his own agenda, so there's no showing in his tales, just a lot of telling. I won't get into the man's politics here, now. He goes about them as he goes about the rest of his narrative tropes - bluntly. I can just say I find his leanings somewhere between the quaintly amusing and the downright offensive. Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Arjun Roy [karna1819@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 8:29 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] DG T-Shirts > Emerald Hammer isn't finished by a long shot! Nope, the first > official (?) DGML project to come to completion was the Challenge from Beyond > (-ond, -ond, -ond ~ ~ [echo effect]) > Dave > CfB2K: www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/Robin.htm erh... now that I've returned to regular List Reading Class, after absencing out, I have to ask-- when was the CFB2K completed? I remember you waiting... and waiting... and STILL waiting for the MiB to finish his allotted chapter. And I'm looking through my email archives (most of which I still haven't read yet) for any CFB2K stuff. Nope, can't find much. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Arjun Roy [karna1819@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 8:45 PM To: Deltagreen@Revolutionsf. Com Subject: [DG] DGML NPCs in other games I'm writing the story for the Deus Ex Prequel, and I'd like to include a number of List members as NPCs. Well, it's more like you'd just be mentioned in emails (in the story). Anybody have objections to it? And one more question. Is it legal to mention DG in a mod? Or would we be sued for it? Arjun Roy Visit the DXP website! www.planetdeusex.com/dxprequel Go there today! _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 8:45 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] TCCorp rocks my world yet again. From: "Mr. Zero" > Just wanted to express how GREAT the customer service at TCCorp is.... On my last order, when they mailed my package, they discovered a way to ship it just as quickly for less money--so they credited the savings back to my credit card. Now how many companies wouldn't just pocket that money instead of giving it back to the customer? > you guys rule. They do indeed. If only the rest of the world knew it. Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Mr. Zero [mrzero@twilite.org] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:00 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] TCCorp rocks my world yet again. Dave F } They do indeed. If only the rest of the world knew it. Evangelize.... hell I have my DG campagin in my .signature.... it's all over the netand I'm constantly point people to the game.... sean -- mrzero@twilite.org Homepage: http://www.twilite.org/~mrzero ICQ: 121817936 DG-DarkTide: http://brsp.net/~mrzero "Scotch, straight up, no xeno-linguistic virus. Please." _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Mr. Zero [mrzero@twilite.org] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:10 PM To: Delta Green Friendlies Subject: [DG] A few words on Books. Since the topics came up I thoguht I through in my $.02 1) No where in the Ice Cave is Thomas Ligotti mentioned...._The Nightmare Factory_ ought to be required readings....scariest thing I've ever read. 2) Given how hard we all seem to get over the KiY I'm surprised that no one mentioned: _The Yellow Sign and other stories: The complete wierd tales of Robert Chambers_ Thank you Chaosium. (Speaking of which I still giggle everytime I see the cover of UA: Postmodern MAgick) anyway there you go....two more... sean [pesky yankee] -- mrzero@twilite.org Homepage: http://www.twilite.org/~mrzero ICQ: 121817936 DG-DarkTide: http://brsp.net/~mrzero "Scotch, straight up, no xeno-linguistic virus. Please." _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Arjun Roy [karna1819@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:36 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] TCCorp rocks my world yet again. > Evangelize.... > hell I have my DG campagin in my .signature.... > it's all over the netand I'm constantly point people to the game.... > > sean Oh, yes. I'd say pretty much everyone who's gone to the DXP site knows about Delta Green. I make sure of that! :) I suppose it's that I don't actually expect a whole lot of people to be interested in RPing, so I'm constantly surprised-yet-not-surprised when people exclaim how great DG is after visiting the website. Then it's a process of trying to convert them, you know, like any good evangelist would. It's all a conspiracy. Arjun Roy [is not the Grand Foozle!] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:25 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: CfB2K and NPCs (was Re: [DG] DG T-Shirts) Welcome back, Arjun! From: "Arjun Roy" > erh... now that I've returned to regular List Reading Class, after absencing > out, I have to ask-- when was the CFB2K completed? I remember you waiting... > and waiting... and STILL waiting for the MiB to finish his allotted chapter. And he never did. Unfortunately, we had to move on. All but Davide Mana's final chapter are up at the site (use the link in my sig--it's case-sensitive, so earlier URLs may lead to nothing). I can email you the final chapter offlist, if you can't wait. I've done the copy editing and Davide is in the process of remaking the site--all should be in readiness soon. We will even have the MiB's Lost Fragment--what he did write before disappearing into the Land of Dead Modems. Very interesting reading, and it might have taken the Challenge in a very different direction. And I've just realized that the next Challenge will start in exactly 2 months...the horror...the horror. And in another email: > I'm writing the story for the Deus Ex Prequel, and I'd like to include a > number of List members as NPCs. Well, it's more like you'd just be mentioned > in emails (in the story). Anybody have objections to it? I'd say you can safely assume it's OK to do so unless someone specifically objects. But if they would object, they ought to request to have their writeup removed from the NPC Depot. I mean, that's what it's for--so Keepers can use them in their games--any game, really. That's my understanding of it, anyway. Certainly I have no objections. > And one more question. Is it legal to mention DG in a mod? Or would we be > sued for it? You'll want to contact Alphonse to discuss it, I'm sure, but here is some info that might hold the answer: http://www.delta-green.com/humint/dp_home.html Right, back to textbook writing! Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 12:01 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Newbie Question Welcome aboard! Since Delta Green came out of CoC, I don't see why not : ) Just remember that the answers you get might be somewhat to extremely technical, over-the-top and terribly paranoid ; ) I hang out for the energy J. Edward _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Machiavelli132@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 12:20 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Newbie Question <<>>>> We can probably help, but you might also want to try the Strange Aeons mailing list. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Joseph Camp [alphonse@delta-green.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:31 AM To: dgrpg Subject: [DG] Send in the Clowns There's an amazing two-part article on Salon.com about a decade-long campaign by the owner of Ringling Brothers Barnum & Bailey Circus to discredit and destroy his enemies. Under the leadership of Clair George, a veteran CIA leader disgraced by the Iran-Contra scandal, the circus assembled an amazing team of dirty-tricks operatives drawn from the DC intelligence community and turned them loose on anyone who threatened the circus's image as a wholesome, family-friendly operation. As an in-depth history of a private, clandestine espionage effort that ultimately came to ruin, it's riveting reading and required for all COs: Part One: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/08/30/circus/index.html Part Two: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/08/31/circus/index.html Clair George's deposition in a lawsuit brought the whole thing down--a deposition that he chillingly intimates he only agreed to give because "the squeeze they put on me you'll never dream." It's wild stuff. Read it immediately. be seeing you, Alphonse _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Morpheus [morpheus_76@usa.net] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 4:49 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Clancy,Newbies and Books Well, as I'm back from my Southern France holidays, what's new from my favourite RPG ML ? Two newbies ! Welcome onboard, boys, and watch your six about HTML attachments, trimming quotes,heavy gunfondling and the recursive answer "you may find it on the Ice Cave". And now, let's go straight to the point ... Davide Mana wrote: [snip!] > I'll accept your word on the tech. Beside the certain Hans reliability, I can confirm that Clancy sometimes make wrong technical judgements. And not only in his novels : did someone read his essays about the various military branches and corps ? I've read : - Armored Cav : A Guided Tour of an Armored Cavalry Regiment - Fighter Wing : A Guided Tour of an Air Force Combat Wing - Marine : A Guided Tour of a Marine Expeditionary Unit NO ONE of this can be confronted with the similar books published by Jane's. And did someone noticed how much military propaganda he throws in ? These books are sooo boring ... > He lacks subtlety, or even a technique - he just goes on relentlessly, > like a brick flying through a window pane. And he doesn't seem to care to construct true three-dimensional characters. In fact, many of his characters behave like Hollywood-action-movies stars. > He's clearly much more interested in hitting you with technobabble and > his own agenda, so there's no showing in his tales, just a lot of > telling. Should the editors put on the front cover a tag like [TECH&GUNS&MILITARY FONDLING!] ? > I won't get into the man's politics here, now. > He goes about them as he goes about the rest of his narrative tropes - >bluntly. Read "Politika" if you dare ! Clancy's best work : "The hunt of red october" Personal advices about DG related authors : -John LeCarré -Clive Barker (old works useful for the "squick-factor" !) -P. Dick ("The man in the high castle" especially) -Robert Harris -Shirley Jackson (well, not exactly DG ...) -Something of Crichton ("The andromeda strain" and "Congo" comes to mind) Ok, I must go back to work. Bye ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of William Nova [william_nova@att.net] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 2:54 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Make that a Triple Newbie Invasion! (was Re: Newbie) To heighten the horror ever higher to all ye liste olde tymers, I'm sure. ("Who the f*** *are* all these idiots? Would've thought the server meltdown would've taken care of them once and for all..") :) I'm Maas. No, that's not my real name. I'm new to CoC & DG, but not to RPGs. But since this is DGML, I guess technically I'm still a newbie. Right now I'm getting things together for my campaign. I have one solid player; my steady RPG partner-in-crime for allmost 10 years now, and a few more skittish creatures. Do we still do that intro-as-CoC-character-thing? (Yes I've been looking thru the ICE CAVE archives..) If so I'll be glad to oblige. Maas out. ObDG: Who are we kidding? This is an intro. There is no DG content. Other than hello, nice to meet you all. Be typing at you all soon about DG, Etc.. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of William Nova [william_nova@att.net] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 2:55 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Send in the Clowns > [...] As an in-depth > history of a private, clandestine espionage effort that ultimately came to > ruin, it's riveting reading and required for all COs: On a related note, looking at media manipulation for political (or Political) ends, how self-styled "elites" attempt to shape popular perceptions for one awful end or another: PR! A Social History of Spin Stewart Ewen ISBN: 0465061796 For anybody who's heard Ewen's books are academic dry as a bone; this one isn't. Also, if there ever were a "Secret Master", Eddie Bernays might well have been one: The Father of Spin: Edward Bernays & the Birth of Public Relations Larry Tye ISBN: 0517704358 What I find interesting is how, with a little tweaking, this sort of material comes off as serious "Conspiracy Theory" material, minus the E.T.s & the Lizard ppl who live in the bowels of the earth. Noam Chomsky might be on the right track after all. :) ObDG: [POTENTIAL SPOILERS BELOW] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Who says spooky gov't agencies like MJ-12 have the sole task of manipulating media and public outlook via black bag jobs and various wetworks to cover up little grey men from Z. Reticuli and what sort of nano, exo, bio, chemo, god knows what elseo might be going on back at the ranch? Who says civilians can't have areas of exclusivity; whether they know what they serve or remain unaware until it's too late.. I can see some enterprising young cultist (21st cent. trans., "Captain of Industry") wanting to share the love, or at least the mores, of his favorite being of worship. Perhaps GAP takes on a new subsidiary and decides to get serious with it's genetically engineered Food of the Gods. Perhaps somebody, somewhere way up on high, somewhere very dark, decides Reverb or Coca Loco ought to be available in any corner bodega. These sorts of wars for society would be fought in the public eye, yet manipulated from behind the scenes. Since everybody knows that stereotype of "guns vs. the Mythos just ends up with Agents sobbing, one bullet left in the pipe for themselves as the voices in the head really start coming on strong," it's always been an intellectual war, of sorts. A battle of Memes, one viral marketing scheme vs. another, really rocks my boat. (And it allows Keepers to scrap those 250+ page encyclopedias of guns some players can't seem to sleep at night without..) After all, what is Hastur, other than a set of Memes to bring about the mindset humanity needs to become as the GOOs? The Secret Senate? THE CULT OF TRANSCENDENCE? I don't know about the list en mass; but knew I was hooked totally and utterly on DG when I read right in Tynes' intro, paraphrased, what if the conspiracy theory was a conspiracy thought up by the ultimate conspiracy, that which *really* cannot be named? "All my tales are based on the fundamental premise that common human laws and interests and emotions have no validity or significance in the vast cosmos-at-large." And that is the harshest conspiracy of all. Ia! Maas out. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord [wardjr@aston.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 3:25 AM To: Delta Green Mailing List Subject: [DG] US security and tradecraft http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/21327.html Apart from the obvious story about a ex USAF seargant abusing his security clearance to gain classified info, there is also a nice bit of information about Intelink - the US gov's internal intranet. There is also a link to a nice simulation of Intelink, which I reproduce below: http://www.topsecretnet.com/intelink/index.html Jon -- Jonathan Ward || School of Engineering || Aston University || j.r.ward@aston.ac.uk || _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 12:10 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Silbury Hill ><< Silbury Hill is a stone-age conical mound near Avebury (and associated > stone circle. The village is actually _inside_ the circle). Now, most > people argue whether it was a stone age religious monument, or a stone > age rubbish tip. However, some people are claiming it's a power station > for UFO's. Is that the one that Peter Gabriel wrote the song about, or was that Salisbury Hill? I can't remember. Peter Gabriel is responsible for many strange things. Ask anyone. J. Edward _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Edward Lipsett [translation@intercomltd.com] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:43 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: CfB2K and NPCs (was Re: [DG] DG T-Shirts) I never knew it had been finished, either... could you pop me a copy of Davide's Stunning Conclusion? Thanx, Dave. "David A. Farnell" wrote: > And he never did. Unfortunately, we had to move on. All but Davide Mana's > final chapter are up at the site (use the link in my sig--it's > case-sensitive, so earlier URLs may lead to nothing). I can email you the > final chapter offlist, if you can't wait. ===== Real education consists in drawing the best out of yourself. What better book can there be than the book of humanity? - Mohandas Gandhi ===== Edward Lipsett Intercom, Ltd. Fukuoka, Japan translation@intercomltd.com http://www.intercomltd.com Tel: +81-92-712-9120 Fax: +81-92-712-9220 _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nick Brownlow [stabernide@netscape.net] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:25 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: Re: [DG] Silbury Hill <> It was neither - Pete Gabriel wrote a song called 'Solsbury Hill', which is a big hill just outside of Bath. Apparently there used to be a Roman fort there, and I believe the locals try to pass it off as the place where Arthur made his last stand. <> He certainly is. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David.Clements [David.Clements@astro.cf.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 4:58 AM Cc: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Silbury Hill On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* wrote: > > ><< Silbury Hill is a stone-age conical mound near Avebury (and associated > > stone circle. The village is actually _inside_ the circle). Now, most > > people argue whether it was a stone age religious monument, or a stone > > age rubbish tip. However, some people are claiming it's a power station > > for UFO's. > > Is that the one that Peter Gabriel wrote the song about, or was that > Salisbury Hill? I can't remember. No - that was Solsbury Hill, though I'm not sure if that's a real place. > Peter Gabriel is responsible for many strange things. Ask anyone. This is definitely true! Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 4:15 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] A few words on Books. Cheers! >1) No where in the Ice Cave is Thomas Ligotti mentioned...._The Nightmare >Factory_ ought to be required readings....scariest thing I've ever read. Really there's no Ligotti in the list? Curious. I'm pretty sure I put The Nightmare Factory there myself. >2) Given how hard we all seem to get over the KiY I'm surprised that no >one mentioned: _The Yellow Sign and other stories: The complete wierd tales of >Robert Chambers_ Thank you Chaosium. (Speaking of which I still giggle >everytime I see the cover of UA: Postmodern MAgick) One simple reason - the book was still a flicker in Chaosium's mind (meaning, not yet published) when the list was last updated. I'll try and set things straight ASAP. Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 10:04 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] US security and tradecraft Intelink is not the 'internal intranet'. It's a web site containing intelligence reports from various agencies (FBI, NCIS, CIA, DIA, et. al.). The network it's on, however, is SIPRNET (Secure Internet Protocol NETwork). Basically the same as the internet (protocols, hardware, etc.) but physically isolated. -----Original Message----- From: Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord [mailto:wardjr@aston.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 4:25 AM To: Delta Green Mailing List Subject: [DG] US security and tradecraft http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/21327.html Apart from the obvious story about a ex USAF seargant abusing his security clearance to gain classified info, there is also a nice bit of information about Intelink - the US gov's internal intranet. There is also a link to a nice simulation of Intelink, which I reproduce below: http://www.topsecretnet.com/intelink/index.html _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Tim Craft [timothycraft@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 12:21 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] DG Question (Yes, I've looked on the Ice Cave for this, but I thought I'd poll current opinion here) How much info do I give? Assume that the characters have just been introduced to the concept of Delta Green. How much are they told? Does their 'Skinner' tell them of MJ12? Greys? Past history of DG (including the fact that they're not an official organization)? Karotechia? Fate? I assume he might touch on some of these in the most vague of manners. My *players* are ignorant of most of these things, by the way. And finally, does anyone know where I can get a gif of a 'Top Secret' stamp for handouts...? Thanks! Tim <-- Newbie #2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 12:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG Question > How much info do I give? if at all possible, nothing real. > Assume that the characters have just been introduced > to the concept of Delta Green. How much are they > told? Does their 'Skinner' tell them of MJ12? no. > Greys? no. > Past history of DG probably not much. (including the fact that they're > not an official organization)? no, positively not. Karotechia? no. Fate? no. > I assume he might touch on some of these in the most > vague of manners. if anything, he might touch exactly those things the characters have already encountered or are probably prone to encounter in the very near future. My *players* are ignorant of most > of these things, by the way. great. keep them that way. providing plausible deniability is everything. so feed them any other weird shit (probably t.m.somewhere, if not, itīs mine from now) and get them paranoid. really paranoid. fnord! > And finally, does anyone know where I can get a gif > of > a 'Top Secret' stamp for handouts...? recently saw a company page selling these together with cia, kgb and the like stamps, but the page provided no usable pics. if you can lay your hand on a hardcopy of steve jacksons "principia discordia" (canīt remember the exact title), there are lots of disuseful stamps and other stuff to scan. hope this hells oh my freud! hope this helps. festus __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 12:55 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG Question > gif > > of > > a 'Top Secret' stamp for handouts...? > > recently saw a company page selling these together > with cia, kgb and the like stamps, but the page > provided no usable pics. no small wonder, its sjg too http://www.warehouse23.com/item.cgi?SOV204124D > > if you can lay your hand on a hardcopy of steve > jacksons "principia discordia" (canīt remember the > exact title), there are lots of disuseful stamps and > other stuff to scan. http://www.sjgames.com/principia/index.html __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 12:56 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] DG Question >How much info do I give? >My *players* are ignorant of most of these things, by the way. That would depend on how you want to tell your story. The DG as presented in the sourcebooks (and especially in Rules of Engagement, an absolute must-read) keeps all information HIGHLY compartmentalized. Everything - EVERYTHING - is on a need-to-know basis only. What you need to know is that you are going to go get rid of an unusual and dangerous creature in that warehouse over there. You don't need to know that the creature comes from another planet, nor do you need to know that creatures from other planets even exist. Part of the game is revealing the terrible truth to the characters bit by bit and allowing them to make the connections themselves and slowly go mad as they do. If you have a superbriefing where the entire contents of the Delta Green sourcebook and Countdown are revealed, then you will be having a very different game. And that's fine, if that's how you want the story to be told. But be careful with it because the universe loses a lot of mystique when you know everything about it. Keep in mind that your players are ignorant of most of these things, but will never be ignorant of them again once they learn about them. I would strongly advise against wasting that opportunity. If you want to run a game where there's a high level of character knowledge, do it some time in the future when your players already know the stuff. In the game that I'm currently playing in, DG has been public ally exposed. All the walls have come tumbling down and the characters (and general public) are aware of ALL the information in Delta Green and in Countdown. This has changed the game dramatically, and it's still a lot of fun, but the game was going on for well over a year and a half before DG exposure occurred. >And finally, does anyone know where I can get a gif of >a 'Top Secret' stamp for handouts...? How's this? http://www.canonprintplanet.com/gallery/images/top_secret_label.jpg Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord [wardjr@aston.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 5:29 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Silbury Hill On a computer, far, far away, ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* wrote: > ><< Silbury Hill [snip] > Is that the one that Peter Gabriel wrote the song about, or was that > Salisbury Hill? I can't remember. No, that was (Little) Solsbury Hill, which is near Bath, UK. It has an Iron Age fort on top, and some people believe it was the location of the Battle of Badon (in Arthurian Legend). http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?grid2map?x=376500&y=168500&zoom=3&isp=200&ism=1000&arrow=y?172,199 Jon -- Jonathan Ward || School of Engineering || Aston University || j.r.ward@aston.ac.uk || _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jon Capps [jon@monster-net.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 2:19 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] DG Question Tim Craft wrote: > How much info do I give? Uhmm, spoilers for those who have not read the core DG book. Avert thine eyes, heathen spawn~! As little as possible to get the job done. If a new recruit were told by his superior that the US goverment has a secret organization to liaison with puppet aliens; and that it is contested by another, now illegal organization, which was originally founded to combat fish-men and fought occult battles with nazi fleshmongers; and that the strings for *all this* are pulled by an ageless entrepreneur of Arabic descent, who is worshipped as a god by organized crime lords; then he'd probably laugh in his superior's face, and have him restrained and sedated. The more gradually this info comes out, the more likely the agent is to stick with the program. Cells are generally told, "This situation has been brought to our attention. We've arranged to get you a few days away from the office, and [if they're lucky] a false ID. Go check this out. Determine what, if any, strangeness is going on. Eliminate any strangeness found. If the cause of the strangeness can be prosecuted within US Law, arrange to do so. Otherwise, prosecute by extra-legal means. Follow these directives as closely as possible without releasing any knowledge of DG to the public, and minimizing any public knowledge of freakyness. You may ask for help. We will provide what help we can, so long as that does not compromise public ignorance of DG. Thank you." DG's knowledge of the mythos, MJ12, Greys, Karotechia, and the Fate is incomplete and often inaccurate. DG does not know what the Keeper knows. Therefore, when the cell asks for information, filter and distort the truth based on what you think DG can provide. If they ask for generalized information, make it only partly accurate. The more specific their questions, the more specific the answers, but also, the (much) more likely DG does not have relevant info. The agents should *never* learn that DG is an illegal operation, until they have broken enough laws on ops to essentially black mail them into continuing, or until they've seen enough that they can honestly justify the law-breaking to themselves. As the game progresses, more complete information can be discovered during investigations, but reveal it slowly, one layer at a time. Jon Capps. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord [wardjr@aston.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 2:24 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG Question On a computer, far, far away, Dirk R. Festus Festerling wrote: > > if you can lay your hand on a hardcopy of steve > > jacksons "principia discordia" (canīt remember the > > exact title), there are lots of disuseful stamps and > > other stuff to scan. FNORD Principia Discordia or How I Found Goddess & What I Did To Her When I Found Her being an Beginning Introduction to the Erisian Mysterees Which is Most Interesting as Divinely Revealed to My High Reverance MALACLYPSE THE YOUNGER, KSC Omnibenevolent Polyfather of Virginity in Gold and HIGH PRIEST of THE PARATHEO-ANAMETAMYSTIKHOOD OF ERIS ESOTERIC (POEE) /FNORD Hail Eris, all Hail Discordia! http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tilt/principia/body.html There, you asked for the exact title! Jon (Kallisti) -- Jonathan Ward || School of Engineering || Aston University || j.r.ward@aston.ac.uk || _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 2:37 PM To: Dgrpg (E-mail) Subject: [DG] player handouts Ok, so this might be going fishing with dynamite... but if you want handouts which look Very Authentic and don't mind a huge download, go to: http://neds.nebt.daps.mil/Directives/table47.html Look for SECNAVINST 5216.5 (Navy Correspondence Manual) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Kindred [kindred@wizard.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 7:01 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Weird Games And Reactions To Them Agents, take a look at this: http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=5&i=114561&loc=0&t=114561 Read some of the replies to this thread, especially the ones by Darren MacLennan and NONCOG The DG ideas should just come flowing out from San blasting tomes and reactions to them... kindred _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/