From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:52 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] TCCorp rocks my world yet again. From: David A. Farnell <1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp> >From: "Mr. Zero" >> Just wanted to express how GREAT the customer service at TCCorp is.... [Butt Kissing Snipped] >> you guys rule. > >They do indeed. If only the rest of the world knew it. ...WHAT? You people are pathetic! If you think that Pagan gives one rat's ass about what you scumbags think, you are sorely mistaken. Those drunkards in Seattle are more interested in what's at the bottom of their bottles that whatever might be rattling around in your hollow skulls. You make me sick! WHAT? You make me sick! WHAT? Look atcha! WHAT? You think you can get anywhere with your pitiful mewlings... * gives Dave the Stunner * Gives Mr. Zero the Stunner * Gives both them sunsovbitches the double middle finger * The Man in Black is : never appreciated. WHAT? Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Arjun Roy [karna1819@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:49 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] A few words on Books. Anybody ever read the 37th Mandala, by Marc Laidlaw? It's quite scary. The hardcover's out of print, though. (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/102-2219156-5956122) And hey, you can't go wrong with what I believe to be a modern classic-- House of Leaves, by Mark Danielewski. Again, great reviews, not too easy to find, though not rare. (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/102-2219156-5956122) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com > [mailto:owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com]On Behalf Of Mr. Zero > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:10 PM > To: Delta Green Friendlies > Subject: [DG] A few words on Books. > > > Since the topics came up I thoguht I through in my $.02 > > 1) No where in the Ice Cave is Thomas Ligotti mentioned...._The Nightmare > Factory_ ought to be required readings....scariest thing I've ever read. > > sean _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Mr. Zero [mrzero@twilite.org] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 7:37 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] TCCorp rocks my world yet again. MiB } * gives Dave the Stunner * Gives Mr. Zero the Stunner * Gives both them } sunsovbitches the double middle finger * *sniff* now I feel part of the DGML sean [I'll shoot the Mac-10] -- mrzero@twilite.org Homepage: http://www.twilite.org/~mrzero ICQ: 121817936 DG-DarkTide: http://brsp.net/~mrzero "Scotch, straight up, no xeno-linguistic virus. Please." _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 7:54 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Weird Games And Reactions To Them > Agents, > take a look at this: > http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=5&i=114561&loc=0&t=114561 Give me the Mythos to this anytime. I don't mean as a sign of preferential gaming system. I mean, honestly, pack me up and ship me to our favorite 50 year island... > The DG ideas should just come flowing out from San blasting tomes and > reactions to them... His quotes page. Wow. 70% of it is one guy, one text. That sort of quoting would be ... great, I can't even spell it, it's never been a concern for me.. 'plagarism'. there we go. close enough. that is, if one didn't suspect that was his roommate or his pen name. A desperately needed ObDG: Then he has the gall to quote Grandfather. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 4:30 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Send in the Clowns Joe Camp wrote.... >There's an amazing two-part article on Salon.com about a decade-long >campaign by the owner of Ringling Brothers Barnum & Bailey Circus to >discredit and destroy his enemies. Under the leadership of Clair George, a >veteran CIA leader disgraced by the Iran-Contra scandal, the circus >assembled an amazing team of dirty-tricks operatives drawn from the DC >intelligence community and turned them loose on anyone who threatened the >circus's image as a wholesome, family-friendly operation. Great, but old news hereabouts. In 196_-something, a young hot-shot attorney discovered that the man billed as "Personal driver" to the president of FIAT was in fact a former Air Force Intelligence (SIOS) colonel, in charge of a network of former agents whose sole purpose was collecting data on "troublesome individuals" and their families. About 130.000 FIAT employees were filed, the files including everything - from political leanings to financial situation to "the dirt" handy in case the subject had to be put straight. The case was never brought to court. This came out as part of the research I did (and am still doing) about all sort of weirdness and conspiracy material in my home town - Masons, Templars, the Grail, aliens, voodoo and stuff like the crackpot that swears the FIAT has been pushing a selective breeding programme using its employees and such. Curiously enough, when I tried to use such material in a contemporary conspiracy campaign, my players revolted _as one man_, and forced me to drop it. The couldn't stand the setting, their level of unease was incredible. I guess they were starting to see the fnords, and were scared. So I'm saving it all for a fiction project. Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Hans-Christian Vortisch [greytiga@zedat.fu-berlin.de] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 12:57 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] OT:Call for help MILITARY WORLDWIDE OFF TOPIC, PLEASE RESPOND IN PRIVATE! Lads, I am researching for a game book and need some first-hand knowledge or at least some people with language skills ;) I need the infantry squad structure and current armament issue of the following armed forces: AUSTRALIA, CHINA, FRANCE, ISRAEL, JAPAN, RUSSIA (and I dont mind hearing about others) If we have former or current servicemen on the list, please mail me. OR if you can read Japanese, Chinese or Russian, perhaps you might be able to help as well. Thanks Cheers HANS From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jerzy Cichocki [deepone@go2.pl] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 7:23 AM To: Delta Green Subject: [DG] online game Hi Everybody, Majestic, the new online conspiracy game: http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,46340,00.html?tw=wn20010830 Anybody has already tried it? George, Warsaw Poland _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:13 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] A few words on Books. At 10:48 PM 8/30/2001 -0400, Arjun Roy wrote: >Anybody ever read the 37th Mandala, by Marc Laidlaw? It's quite scary. The >hardcover's out of print, though. >(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/102-2219156-5956122) It's been brought up on DGML before, which is how I came to read it in the first place. The book gives an excellent idea for creating a cult leader that doesn't know he is a cult leader until it's time for the big ritual. In that same vein, the second scenario in UNSEEN MASTERS offers a way to play this role with a PC. UNSEEN MASTERS is extremely fifty-fifty - the scenarios are interesting, use a lot of Mythos background, and play with some interesting themes (though this is never as clear in the actual scenario as it is in author's summing up); but, none of the scenarios are very cohesive, requiring some railroading to get the PCs from point A to point B, bears some Mythos hoedown (but what would a Chaosium scenario be unless there was a star vampire being used as a guard when you can't just use, gee I dunno, a well-armed guard), but worst of all throws in what could be interesting elements but for no damn reason. I really hate what the author did with the Templars, creating a heavy conspiracy backstory for them so we can have a Shub-Niggurath cult that is pretty much the same as every other Shub cult. Some of the very basic ideas brought up here years ago are a thousand times better than what is done with the Templars in UNSEEN MASTERS. And then the author throws in the Hashishin as a Nyarlathotep cult for absolutely no damn reason - they don't even appear in the scenario. Ugh.... anyways, the book has potential and I plan on running it but it could have been so much better. And above all else, it has notes for running the book with Delta Green, a wonderful feature. It's a hell of a lot better than NOCTURNUM and maybe better than AT YOUR DOOR. >And hey, you can't go wrong with what I believe to be a modern classic-- >House of Leaves, by Mark Danielewski. House of Leaves was brought up here just a couple of weeks ago, which much gnashing of the teeth over whether it was a good book or not (which means shit on DGML BTW, all that matters is whether it makes good source material or not). Gil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:55 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] A few words on Books. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. Zero" > > 1) No where in the Ice Cave is Thomas Ligotti mentioned...._The Nightmare > Factory_ ought to be required readings....scariest thing I've ever read. I agree, a reading of Ligotti is an absolute **necessity** for understanding the contemporary Dreamlands. Lovecraft dreampt, but he was basically a rationalist. He overlaid his dream data and synthesisied it with conscious explanatory material. Ligotti is an unabashed worshiper of nightmares and excells Lovecraft in **this** respect beyond all measure. However he has been mentioned on list many times, not least by me. > 2) Given how hard we all seem to get over the KiY I'm surprised that no > one mentioned: _The Yellow Sign and other stories: Again, it has been discussed - the included collection THE MYSTERY OF CHOICE is second only to THE KING IN YELLOW, though it starts rather weakly. You have taste The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord [wardjr@aston.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 10:30 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] US security and tradecraft On a computer, far, far away, Rayburn, Russell E. wrote: > Intelink is not the 'internal intranet'. It's a web site containing > intelligence reports from various agencies (FBI, NCIS, CIA, DIA, et. al.). For once, mea non culpa. I was fed disinformation. Jon -- Jonathan Ward || School of Engineering || Aston University || j.r.ward@aston.ac.uk || _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:23 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Double Newbie Invasion! (was Re: Newbie) > > >>>3) Does Tom Clancy´s book have something in > > common with DG universe?<<< > >No, seriously, I have > > found some inspiration from Clancy's _Rainbow Six_, > > and if you're running a > > techno-thriller style game you could > > do worse than read Tom Clancy (and Clive Cussler). > > However, there's no > > direct connection, as far as I know. Actually, I seem to be one of the few on the List who will freely admit he likes the work of Clancy (and Cussler). Say what you will about his writing style, he founded (or at least popularized) the genre of the technothriller, in the same way that Verne did with science fiction! People can point to technical errors in his work, but it isn't a problem unique to him -- we can do the same with Harold Coyle or Dale Brown, for example, if we really wanted to... We can nitpick technical stuff and characterization with Verne, or Ian Fleming, for that matter... We're a diverse group of individuals on this List, with a variety of tastes in literature and other things, and that is one of our strengths, IMHO. But, not wanting to start a flamewar (I've seen fun, and flamewars aren't it), I'll move on to DG applications here! I've borrowed a few of his ideas, such as the fake pirate "hanging" that unfortunately didn't make it into the film version of "Clear and Present Danger", for my own campaigns. (Though Clancy was anticipated in the fake-run-em-up-the-yardarm-and-see-who-salutes department by the late Admiral Daniel Vincent Gallery (does anybody besides me remember him?) who had his hero try a similar scheme to pull the Russian Navy's chain in the novel "Cap'n Fatso"! BM1 "Fatso" Gioninni would make a great DG Friendly, IMHO...)):) And, back last November, even before the controversy in Florida, I found myself wishing that Jack Ryan was on the ballot -- I would have voted for him in preference to either Bush or Gore! (I wonder how a President Ryan would have felt about Majestic and the Treaty? Would they have told him? Would he have known about Delta Green?):) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com (Who runs techno-thriller style games on occasion, and even admits it...):) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Rodemaker [dar@horusinc.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 7:57 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] A few words on Books. You know, I wasn't going to dive into this but after looking at the list I saw some notable omissions... Alistair Crowley: Moonchilde Duh. But if Dion Fortune is one the list... Storm Constantine: The Grigori Trilogy The Grigori aren't angels, but I cannot really explain without giving the series away. Storm Constatine: The Wreathu Trilogy Post-modern goth, very dark version of the Dreamlands Daniel Keys Moran: Everything he wrote before dropping off the face of the earth. Time-travel, aliens, humans as gods, psychics, very cyberpunk F. Paul Wilson: The Tomb, and the Reborn Trilogy (trilogy?) More Semi-Mythos stuff, and the trilogy is all about the Endtimes... Katherine Kurtz: The Adept series Modern occult. English magical Lodges fighting the remnants of the Nazi's... John Le Carre: Most everything. Spies, spies, and more spies. Tradecraft galore. David Morrell: Fraternity of the Stone, League of Night & Fog, Brotherhood of the Rose, etc. Assassins, Assassins of the Church, Nazi's, Betrayal and Conspiracies everywhere... I'm not even going to touch the 'Non-Fiction' list... David _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Mr. Zero [mrzero@twilite.org] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:22 PM To: Delta Green Subject: Re: [DG] online game } Majestic, the new online conspiracy game: I play... so DG it hurts. sean [mrzero232] -- mrzero@twilite.org Homepage: http://www.twilite.org/~mrzero ICQ: 121817936 DG-DarkTide: http://brsp.net/~mrzero "Scotch, straight up, no xeno-linguistic virus. Please." _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Ethan Butterfield [primus@veris.org] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:28 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] online game -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 02:23:15PM +0200, Jerzy Cichocki wrote: > Majestic, the new online conspiracy game: > > http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,46340,00.html?tw=wn20010830 > > Anybody has already tried it? I have, in fact, been playing it for over a month now. Partway through the third scenario, their "Episode 2". Thoughts: * The difficulty level of the puzzles is insanely easy. Basically it's get an AIM, go to a webpage, go to another webpage, puzzle solved. The difficulty has been ratcheted up a notch in Episode 2, where I had to decipher some ASL and find hidden binary numbers & convert them to a date, but it's still nowhere near the difficulty of the AI "Cloudmakers" game that was built around the movie. * They use this horrible thing called Standby. Basically, you can't play at your own pace. You can only do a certain amount of the game a day before you hit Standby, and you're done until the next day. Now, this wouldn't be so bad if you only end up doing things for maybe 20 minutes a day. I wake up around 8am, and I'm usually done for the day by 8:30am. It completely ruins the immersiveness of the game. * The AI of the computer players which AIM you is very primitive. All of them will fail a Turing Test on the first question. Worse than that, it's easy to get them confused and turned around as they are based solely on keyword recognition. The game background does a decent job of the whole conspiracy angle. It's much more X-Files-ish than DG-ish, in and of that the bad guys seem to just want control, as opposed to squicking everyone. Recently they've started to add in some very interesting sidelines to the game. Earlier on in Episode 2, you're given a link to a group called Sandline International. Nothing to do with the game, just a go-and-see thing. Turns out Sandline is a mercenary...ahem...international troubleshooter group. So you dig a little bit more into them, and find their ties (a sister corporation of, actually) to another outfit called Executive Outcomes, which was originally formed by members of the old apartheid government's security apparatus. It's kind of fun for a little while. I'm prolly going to stop playing after the second episode. - -- "And as things fell apart, nobody paid much attention." - Talking Heads, "(Nothing But) Flowers" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7kDm2AmwSMwnpLHgRAgHBAJ9QrRxa2vNAIxUuNEjn5GLhpbCiZACgnPOY HN6/gXn7c2YnhzVRgdCm0ag= =hZuJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Tim Craft [timothycraft@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 2:41 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] DG Question Wow. Thank you guys for such good and quick responses. I think I'm going to like this list. =) TLC --- Jon Capps wrote: > Tim Craft wrote: > > > How much info do I give? > > > > > Uhmm, spoilers for those who have not read the core > DG book. > > > > > Avert thine eyes, heathen spawn~! > > > > > As little as possible to get the job done. If a new > recruit were told by > his superior that the US goverment has a secret > organization to liaison with > puppet aliens; and that it is contested by another, > now illegal > organization, which was originally founded to combat > fish-men and fought > occult battles with nazi fleshmongers; and that the > strings for *all this* > are pulled by an ageless entrepreneur of Arabic > descent, who is worshipped > as a god by organized crime lords; then he'd > probably laugh in his > superior's face, and have him restrained and > sedated. The more gradually > this info comes out, the more likely the agent is to > stick with the program. > > Cells are generally told, "This situation has been > brought to our attention. > We've arranged to get you a few days away from the > office, and [if they're > lucky] a false ID. Go check this out. Determine > what, if any, strangeness > is going on. Eliminate any strangeness found. If > the cause of the > strangeness can be prosecuted within US Law, arrange > to do so. Otherwise, > prosecute by extra-legal means. Follow these > directives as closely as > possible without releasing any knowledge of DG to > the public, and minimizing > any public knowledge of freakyness. You may ask for > help. We will provide > what help we can, so long as that does not > compromise public ignorance of > DG. Thank you." > > DG's knowledge of the mythos, MJ12, Greys, > Karotechia, and the Fate is > incomplete and often inaccurate. DG does not know > what the Keeper knows. > Therefore, when the cell asks for information, > filter and distort the truth > based on what you think DG can provide. If they ask > for generalized > information, make it only partly accurate. The more > specific their > questions, the more specific the answers, but also, > the (much) more likely > DG does not have relevant info. The agents should > *never* learn that DG is > an illegal operation, until they have broken enough > laws on ops to > essentially black mail them into continuing, or > until they've seen enough > that they can honestly justify the law-breaking to > themselves. As the game > progresses, more complete information can be > discovered during > investigations, but reveal it slowly, one layer at a > time. > > Jon Capps. > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of REFLECTING SKIN [reflectingskin@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 2:45 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] DG Question DEAD FLAG BLUES SPOILERS DEAD FLAG BLUES PLAYERS, DO NOT READ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >From: "Gatten, Marshall" >>That would depend on how you want to tell your story. >>The DG as >>presented in the sourcebooks (and especially >>in Rules of Engagement, an >>absolute >>must-read) keeps all information HIGHLY >>compartmentalized. Actually, that's my one criticism of "rules of engagement", There are a couple of scenes where the cell meets Alphonse and RECOGNIZES another DG member's real identity because he's sitting in a bar chatting with them! That really bothered me. I think that for the most part, you know your handler, you know Alphonse exists, but other than that, you certainly dont meet people face to face. Perhaps under extreme situations (and in the book's defense a possible War with Majestic is pretty extreme), cells and the structure might become a bit less compartmentalized, but nothing short of world-ending apocalypse should be worth risking that for. One of the themes Im playing with in my campaign is how that because of the Cell Structure DG Agents and Friendlies can run all sorts of their own private little wars if they so chose, all with a nod and the familiar paperwork shuffle. It's not like your contacts and friendlies can go to an oversight committee and check to see if your legit, I just don't imagine it would be worth the risk to contact Alphonse everytime someone wants to shuffle some numbers or get a off the books look at some government records. there's a lot of potential for abuse in a cell structure, esp say, if a cell contact where to go less conspicuously insane. ;-) For Example, In my current campaign, The characters think they work for a government agency called Delta Green. They Don't. They're friendlies who've been duped into being a cell as an experiment between two members of other cells. Their primary handler believes that their is a leak in teh Delta Green Structure, he's using the players to flush it out, seeing what he can find. The other contact they have (the cell lower than them) is totally insane. He believes that he is the anointed assassin of Stephen Alzis, and is using the players to work himself further and further into the arms of the Fate so that he can ONE day, be close enough to Alzis to kill him with a ritualistic weapon he designed. (Um, he's full of crap, btw. He might kill Alzis, then he dies, then Alzis comes into Club Apocalypse the next morning looking, tanned, rested and ready_. That's the meta plot of my game, besides all the Tiger Transit, Cho Chou Tsu, Fate, Tsothoggua and Serpent person madness I've described before. If anyone would like a full chronology, conception of my campaign let me know. It's narcissisic fun, but it may be a nice way to share some ideas. -ReSkin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:41 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DGML NPCs in other games On 30 August 2001, "Arjun Roy" said: >I'm writing the story for the Deus Ex Prequel, and I'd like to include a >number of List members as NPCs. Well, it's more like you'd just be >mentioned >in emails (in the story). Anybody have objections to it? I have no problem with it! Just try to see to it I die well...:) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 1:00 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: Re: [DG] Silbury Hill ><Salisbury Hill? I can't remember.>> > >It was neither - Pete Gabriel wrote a song called 'Solsbury Hill', which is >a big hill just outside of Bath. Ah... thanks for the clarification. : ) J. Edward _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 4:07 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] online game Hell, cloudmakers was *the* online game. Bit too tech-y to be Delta Green material, although the conspiracy angle(big business wants to rule the world - well, kinda - and squick employees which find too much, as well as other things) was cool, and at one point there were 3 MIB's beating 7 shades of Nyarlathotep out of a rather too clever computer hacker locked in 'Room 63' somewhere in the Statue of Liberty.. Plus, we had another hacker arranging his own death, but downloading part of his personality into a toy monkey(I kid you not) to avenge him for stuff too complicated to explain. Hmm: DevilToys of Doom(tm)? Finally, it gave me a load of ideas for computers: hooking adventurers with them, hiding messages on them, und so weiter - very 90s and 00s behaviour. Voidchaser, gripping relevance by the skin of his teeth. >but it's still nowhere near the difficulty of the AI "Cloudmakers" game >that was built around the movie. >The game background does a decent job of the whole conspiracy angle. It's >much more X-Files-ish than DG-ish, in and of that the bad guys seem to >just want control, as opposed to squicking everyone. Recently they've >started to add in some very interesting sidelines to the game. Earlier on >in Episode 2, you're given a link to a group called Sandline >International. Nothing to do with the game, just a go-and-see thing. Turns >out Sandline is a mercenary...ahem...international troubleshooter group. >So you dig a little bit more into them, and find their ties (a sister >corporation of, actually) to another outfit called Executive Outcomes, >which was originally formed by members of the old apartheid government's >security apparatus. > >It's kind of fun for a little while. I'm prolly going to stop playing >after the second episode. > -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Ross Howard [r.howard@angelfire.com] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 8:12 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] A few words on Books. >F. Paul Wilson: The Tomb, and the Reborn Trilogy (trilogy?) > More Semi-Mythos stuff, and the trilogy is all about the Endtimes... Don't forget the first book in that series, The Keep. Nazis vs the occult? Ripe potential there, I feel, although it's early Dg cos of the ww2 setting. Incidentally, has anyone ever seen the film? (dir. Michael Mann, Starring Jurgen Prochnow, Gabriel Byrne, Ian McKellen, Scott Glenn etc.) More importantly, has anyone ever seen a version that wasn't cut to bloody ribbons!!! Ross Howard "You are all such little people!" - Elizabeth Duncan Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 4:12 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DGML NPCs in other games > On 30 August 2001, "Arjun Roy" said: > >I'm writing the story for the Deus Ex Prequel, and I'd like to include a >number of List members as NPCs. Well, it's more like you'd just be >mentioned >in emails (in the story). Anybody have objections to it? > > I have no problem with it! Just try to see to it I die well...:) > >Michael Layne >DGGF#688 >theherald@hotmail.com > Well, if you're asking, mention the MIB! I'm *sure* he won't mind dying in a humiliating and grisly way which strips away all his manly dignity ;) Voidchaser. DGCF #001(Delta Green Cockroach Fondler) -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jim Clunie [jim_clunie@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 8:14 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] online game >From: Ethan Butterfield > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 02:23:15PM +0200, Jerzy Cichocki wrote: > > > Majestic, the new online conspiracy game: >Recently they've >started to add in some very interesting sidelines to the game. Earlier on >in Episode 2, you're given a link to a group called Sandline >International. Nothing to do with the game, just a go-and-see thing. Turns >out Sandline is a mercenary...ahem...international troubleshooter group. >So you dig a little bit more into them, and find their ties (a sister >corporation of, actually) to another outfit called Executive Outcomes, >which was originally formed by members of the old apartheid government's >security apparatus. > This, of course, is mostly or entirely true. Sandline International and Executive Outcomes were involved in a very dubious series of events in Papua New Guinea a few years ago: http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/97/0718/newsmap/guinea.html Jim C _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jim Clunie [jim_clunie@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 8:29 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] RE: 37th Mandala >From: "Arjun Roy" > >Anybody ever read the 37th Mandala, by Marc Laidlaw? It's quite scary. The >hardcover's out of print, though. >(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/102-2219156-5956122) > Something funny about that link, I found it here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/084394658X/qid=999332822/sr=8-1/ref=aps_sr_b_1_1/002-6578344-8393628 I've read it, and used the Tuol Sleng ritual and the photo collection (though not in a CoC campaign, strictly speaking). It's just too gruesome and squicky an idea to pass up. Jim C _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jim Clunie [jim_clunie@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 11:18 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Silbury Hill >From: "Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord" > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1511000/1511448.stm > >Silbury Hill is a stone-age conical mound near Avebury (and associated >stone circle. The village is actually _inside_ the circle). Now, most >people argue whether it was a stone age religious monument, or a stone >age rubbish tip. However, some people are claiming it's a power station >for UFO's. > >Great for a PICSES campaign I thought... > >Jon "..Silbury Hill (my God! That devil-mound!).." - Professor Wendy-Smith (I think), The Burrowers Beneath Brian Lumley never did expand on this (and given his later writing I hesitate to quote him as a Mythos source at all) - was there another reference to Silbury Hill? Jim C _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 8:02 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] DG: test _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Rodemaker [dar@horusinc.com] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 8:57 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] A few words on Books. Didn't mention The Keep because it's the only one on the list already and the others certainly deserve mention. The film is very good also having a slew of my favorite actors... For 500 pts I will mention that there was also a rather unplayable game put out by West End Games based on the movie also (mid to late-80's IIRC)... Repairman Jack is a perfect DG Friendly to drop into your campaign, as is Glaeken (as the old guy). David > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com > [mailto:owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com]On Behalf Of Ross Howard > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 8:12 AM > To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com > Subject: RE: [DG] A few words on Books. > > > > >F. Paul Wilson: The Tomb, and the Reborn Trilogy (trilogy?) > > More Semi-Mythos stuff, and the trilogy is all about the Endtimes... > > Don't forget the first book in that series, The Keep. Nazis vs > the occult? Ripe potential there, I feel, although it's early Dg > cos of the ww2 setting. > Incidentally, has anyone ever seen the film? (dir. Michael Mann, > Starring Jurgen Prochnow, Gabriel Byrne, Ian McKellen, Scott > Glenn etc.) More importantly, has anyone ever seen a version that > wasn't cut to bloody ribbons!!! > > Ross Howard > > "You are all such little people!" - Elizabeth Duncan > > > Get 250 color business cards for FREE! > http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 10:37 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Picture of the Week I dropped by the Fortean Times page for a dose of weirdness and got more than I was ready for. The picture of the week: http://www.forteantimes.com/gallery/weekly_pic.shtml The caption: American medium Margery (Mina Stinson Crandon, 1889-1941) producing a teleplasmic hand from her vagina. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Quiller [quiller@quiller.demon.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 11:14 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] A few words on Books. In message , David Rodemaker writes >John Le Carre: Most everything. > Spies, spies, and more spies. Tradecraft galore. I quite like Andy McNab's books for trade craft. Immediate Action (autobiography) contains a section about the time he worked in 14th Intelligence Company in Northern Ireland - serious stuff. The thrillers (Remote Control, Crisis Four & Firewall?) have some great trade craft tips about: *fun with household chemicals *observation posts *close target recon (breaking and entering) - including how to defeat a motion sensor with a clock and an egg box... *blowing things up *kidnapping Good stuff. Quiller. You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nocstar [shepherd93@home.com] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 12:54 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] TCCorp rocks my world yet again. At 05:52 PM 8/30/01 -1000, you wrote: >The Man in Black is : never appreciated. WHAT? >Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum Man, I missed this dude! _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 2:20 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] A few words on Books. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arjun Roy" > Anybody ever read the 37th Mandala, by Marc Laidlaw? It's quite scary. The > hardcover's out of print, though. > (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/102-2219156-5956122) > Read a review copy years ago (languid yawn - always wanted to say that) but never got round to writing anything about it. The We-Are-Property vibe goes at least as far back as Fort. It's a good book until the mandalas appear, at which point the author totally loses his way, but there is definitely good stuff up till then. I like the idea of 37 as another Perverse Number, like 23. Anybody know any numerological lore to support this? The Glove Cleaner . _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 4:19 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] 5/5/2000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Robertson" > I like the idea of 37 as another Perverse Number, like 23. Anybody know > any numerological lore to support this? Nada on 37, but it's funny that you bring up Perverse Numbers this very day. I was just on the Disinfo website and stumbled upon a section dealing with numbers and weirdness. They had link after link on 23 and touched on 420 (or 4:20), which is working it's way into the mainstream. But, the link that gave me the weird feeling was http://www.disinfo.com/pages/dossier/id347/pg1/, which covers the 5/5/2000 speculations. It even includes a link to (drumroll) David Icke's site for more on this. http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles2/planet-align.html "THE MAY 5TH GRAND ALIGNMENT: WHAT DOES IT MEAN?" Holy moley! A grand alignment? Like when the Moon is in the Seventh House and Jupiter aligns with Mars? Harmonic Convergence stuff? Ahem. Long-time readers might remember that as the date I went a little wacky over the opening of "Gladiator" on Cinco de Mayo in the Year Zero. Naturally, I intend to make a Big Damn Deal out of that, especially since it ties in so well with the Spartacus Conspiracy. Watch this space. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Arjun Roy [karna1819@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:52 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] DGML NPCs in other games Haha. ...um. See, there's this funny little thing called irony-- the fact is, Deus Ex is absolutely *rife* with MiBs and, indeed, WiBs too! Although they _are_ rather freaky, they're rather less abusive than our own MiB. Although I wouldn't mind scripting a special Scroggins-type MiB on the Big Island mission. Arjun Roy [details, details] www.planetdeusex.com/dxprequel amazingly, nobody rushed to stop me from assuming the writing position... > -----Original Message----- > trueprophet@talk21.com > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:12 AM > > Well, if you're asking, mention the MIB! I'm *sure* he won't > mind dying in a humiliating and grisly way which strips away all > his manly dignity ;) > > Voidchaser. > DGCF #001(Delta Green Cockroach Fondler) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 8:49 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] online game On 1 September 2001, trueprophet@talk21.com (Voidchaser) reported a new form of cybernetic gorilla warfare: >Plus, we had another hacker arranging his own death, but downloading part >of his personality into a toy monkey(I kid you not) to avenge him for stuff >too complicated to explain. > >Hmm: DevilToys of Doom(tm)? Or: Delta Green and the Robot Monkeys of Doom? Fighting Aussies of DG versus the Killer Robot Koalas? Attack of the Haunted Furby Assassins? Robot Devil Dogs of Delta Green? Planet of the Ape Robots? Robot Rhino Jox? (distributed in some places as "RhinoTech") > >Finally, it gave me a load of ideas for computers: hooking adventurers with >them, hiding messages on them, und so weiter - very 90s and 00s behaviour. So watch out for that mechanical monkey banging those cymbals together -- he could be a secret agent! Secret Aaagent Chimp! They're givin' you a monkey, and takin' 'way your... Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com "The good news, Agent CORNELIUS, is that we were able to save your mind, even though the Unspeakable Mythos Critters (tm) destroyed your body! The bad news is that we did it by downloading you into a robot monkey!" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Shoggoth [root@shoggoth.net.dhis.org] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 8:49 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] TCCorp rocks my world yet again. El Viernes 31 Agosto 2001 05:52, escribiste: > > ...WHAT? > > You people are pathetic! If you think that Pagan gives one rat's ass Ah , the old MiB we all know and love , is back! Greetings , Executor OBDG : We all know , of course , that ANDREA is just the MiB ... _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/