From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 8:58 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DGML NPCs in other games On 1 September 2001, two days before Shenandoah Day, trueprophet@talk21.com (Voidchaser, DGCF#001) suggested: > >Well, if you're asking, mention the MIB! I'm *sure* he won't mind dying in >a humiliating and grisly way which strips away all his manly dignity ;) > >Voidchaser. >DGCF #001(Delta Green Cockroach Fondler) You mean Herr Galt will taunt the MiB, promising to "get" him -- "und your little gerbil, too"?:) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Arjun Roy [karna1819@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 9:08 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] TCCorp rocks my world yet again. > -----Original Message----- > ...WHAT? > > You people are pathetic! > The Man in Black is : never appreciated. WHAT? Oh, gods, he's back. Not that I have anything to worry about: the MiB's only ever been nice and civilized when responding to me...hehehe. Touch wood. Arjun _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Rodemaker [dar@horusinc.com] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 8:53 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] A few words on Books. > I quite like Andy McNab's books for trade craft. Immediate Action > (autobiography) contains a section about the time he worked in 14th > Intelligence Company in Northern Ireland - serious stuff. The thrillers > (Remote Control, Crisis Four & Firewall?) have some great trade craft > tips about: <> > Good stuff. > Quiller. I concur, and see that I *should* have listed non-fiction also... First I have two things to add to the fiction list that I omitted the first time: Neverwhere: Neil Gaiman Dreamlands, Dreamlands, Dreamlands, Dreamlands The Brotherhood of War Series (all 6): WEB Griffin Excellent work on the Army from the end of WWII to the middle of Nam. My wife tells me that this all but required reading for the Army officer corps. His other work may be decent, but I cannot recommend his Marine series (seems a clone). Non-Fiction... Let's see: Vengeance: George Jonas Israeli response to the Munich Olympics. Excellent but "I'm not sure this is really true" Absolutely marvelous look at cell structures and the terrorist underground Mindhunter, Journey into Darkness, and Obsession: John Douglass and Mark Olshaker The story of the FBI profiler that helped found the Investigative Support Unit aka the Serial Crimes Unit Zodiac: Robert Graysmith All about the California Zodiac killings. The Tunnels of Cu Chi: Tom Mangold and John Penycate Tunnel Rats of Viet Nam, the definitive book. Charlie Ranger: Don Erikson and John L. Rotundo LRRP's in Nam, I knew Don, pretty good book and has a couple of funny stories in it. Hunters and Shooters: Edited by Bill Fawcett SEAL's in Nam Black Hawk Down: Mark Bowden The Somalia/Mogidishu incident. Generally hailed as very fair to all involved, and excellent, gripping reading. Plague Wars: Tom Mangold and Jeff Goldberg Frightening history of state of modern biological warfare. Excellent companion volume to The Hot Zone and The Coming Plague What Cops Know: Connie Fletcher Semi-Anonymous tales of the Chicago PD. Well written. The Zimmerman Telegram: Barbara W Tuchman Exactly what it says it is, well done as usual by Mrs. Tuchman. And the general Occult Library that every Keeper should have: The Golden Dawn: Israel Regardie The Classic, duh. If you cannopt find 15 adventures in this volume, you're braindead The Egyptian Book of the Dead: EA Wallis Budge See above volume for commentary. Ibid. Three Books of Occult Philosophy: Agrippa Ibid Ibid Magick: Alister Crowley Ibid Ibid (Except that it's *30* adventures) The Santeria Experience and other various books: Migene Gonzalez-Wippler Writes very accessable books on Santa Ria and the related religions of Vodun and Candomble Chaos Magick (various books) Rather than list specific books I'll go for authors: Peter Carroll (The easiest reads) Phil Hine (Not Bad) Kenneth Grant (Dense but great material and some interesting scholarship) Occult Pseudo-non-fiction: Holy Blood, Holy Grail; The Messianic Legacy: Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, and Henry Lincoln The Bloodline of Christ was the orginal Kings of France and... If you haven't read these yet, they should be the first. The Spear of Destiny: Trevor Ravenscroft Hitler and the Spear of Destiny... need I say more? The Sign and the Seal: Graham Hancock The Ark of the Covenent in Ethiopia... need I say more? Born In Blood: John Robinson All about the Freemasons, and I hesitate to put it into the Pseudo-non-fiction. Seems to be very decent scholarship FWIW. David _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 5:07 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: RE: [DG] TCCorp rocks my world yet again. Can you smell what the MiB is...*sniff sniff*......actually, I don't even want to know. Anyone got a new pair of pants for our friend here? Oh, and appreciate the MiB?! Isn't that illegal? I thought the Pope said anyone caught doing it should be hung, drawn, quartered, excommunicated and then given a cup of tea and a chocolate biscuit? Voidchaser Is:Loading The Gerbil Cannon. DGCF #001(anyone else want to join?;) Talk to the hand bec-arrrgh! The mouths!!! > > -----Original Message----- > > ...WHAT? > > > > You people are pathetic! > > > > The Man in Black is : never appreciated. WHAT? -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 5:10 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: RE: [DG] DGML NPCs in other games 'Manderley or whoever:Yes Paul, you must go to this island. There's one of our best operatives waiting to meet you. He was the first attempt at a nanite augmented agent and..well, it wasn't 100% successful. Still, as long as you don't make any sudden movements, point him in the right direction - that's the one away from you - and under no circumstances mention the g-word. Paul: G-word, sir? Manderley/Briefing dude: *coughs* Yes, the g-word. Small furry animal. Runs round in cages. Paul: You mean gerb- Manderley/briefing dude: Yes, dammit, I mean gerbil! Now, you must never speak of this again. You aren't cleared for such sensitive information.' I can see it now.... Voidchaser. DGCF #001 Talk to the hand, bec-arrrgh! The mouths! > Although I >wouldn't mind scripting a special Scroggins-type MiB on the Big Island >mission. > >Arjun Roy [details, details] >www.planetdeusex.com/dxprequel >amazingly, nobody rushed to stop me from assuming the writing position... > -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 8:34 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: Nightmare Project http://www.nightmareproject.com Quite serious, apparently. A praisworthy endeavour. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 11:34 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: Nightmare Project Greetings. >http://www.nightmareproject.com > >Quite serious, apparently. A praisworthy endeavour. Clearly an attempt at mapping and describing the Dreamlands, similar to the one I described a while back in an article published by The Whisperer. And no, this is not a plug. Obviously the Internet is the best tool for such a project. BUT! This could also be the sort of project MKULTRA might keep going as a matter of routine - after all, they're quite interested in what's going on in the back lots of our brains. And the Mushrooms might be interested in what's going on there, too. After all, they do not have direct access to Slumberland. Just ideas, of course. Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Edward Lipsett [translation@intercomltd.com] Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 7:08 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: CfB2K Davide, Sorry for my late reply... I was probably off in the States when you sent this in. Very nice; thank you sincerely. And thank you for remembering Kazuo, although I wonder if anyone else did... Edward Lipsett wrote: > > I never knew it had been finished, either... could you pop me a copy of > Davide's Stunning Conclusion? > > Thanx, Dave. > > "David A. Farnell" wrote: > > And he never did. Unfortunately, we had to move on. All but Davide Mana's > > final chapter are up at the site (use the link in my sig--it's > > case-sensitive, so earlier URLs may lead to nothing). I can email you the > > final chapter offlist, if you can't wait. ===== I had a large vocabulary and had been reading constantly since childhood, I had taken words and the art of arranging them. - Maya Angelou ===== Edward Lipsett Intercom, Ltd. Fukuoka, Japan translation@intercomltd.com http://www.intercomltd.com Tel: +81-92-712-9120 Fax: +81-92-712-9220 _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 4:11 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Unidentified skin parasites http://www.skinparasites.com/ From the site: "What is Unidentified Skin Parasitic Infection or USPI? Unidentified Skin Parasitic Infection occurs when an unnamed organism or life form lives, feeds and breeds, under the skin of a human host. This infection was first recorded in medical books, in the early part of this century. "However, because the parasite appears to have so many different metamorphic features, many of which may resemble, human hair, fabric or lint (for example) turn of the century physicians wrongly assumed their patients must have been suffering from a psychosomatic illness rather than a disease. "Even today, almost 100 years later, many in the medical community fail to recognize Unidentified Skin Parasitic Infection as a serious disease, affecting millions of men, women and children worldwide." and "Rashes, lesions, itching, burning sensations, track marks, scratches, and papules appear from nowhere on the surface of the skin, along with burrows under the skin, containing what the sufferer describes as "eggs". Some people complain of having symptoms in only one spot on the skin ( i.e., scalp, face, rectum, groin area) while others are infested from head to toe. Acute insomnia can also be a symptom of this disease. "Black specks, iridescent crystals, microscopic hairs, wormlike creatures, hairlike creatures (the size of an eyelash to several inches long, and colors ranging from transparent to shinny black) "lintlike balls" bloody and/saltlike granules and threads, have all been described as emerging from the lesions. Often clothes, bedding, carpets, furniture and cars are heavily infested, again without remedy." I'm thinking of all those people being dismissed as "suffering from a psychosomatic illness rather than a disease." I'm also reminded of the common delusion of having bugs under the skin. Damn. Nasty bugs burrowing under our flesh for over a hundred years and no one knows what they are? Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Peter Devlin [peter.devlin@axisanimation.com] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 5:44 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] online game And so it was written: >in Episode 2, you're given a link to a group called Sandline >International. Nothing to do with the game, just a go-and-see >thing. Turns >out Sandline is a mercenary...ahem...international >troubleshooter group. >So you dig a little bit more into them, and find their ties (a sister >corporation of, actually) to another outfit called Executive Outcomes, >which was originally formed by members of the old apartheid >government's >security apparatus. Both these organisations are real. Sandline has been implicated in a number of serious political coups d'etat in Indonesia or South Pacific (memory fails ATM), and MPs in the UK have come under fire for having connections to Sandline. EO have a similarly shady history IIRC. Cheers. Peter Devlin (peter.devlin@axisanimation.com) "Whatever it is, it's weird and pissed off!" _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord [wardjr@aston.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 7:22 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] online game On a computer, far, far away, Peter Devlin wrote: > Both these organisations are real. Sandline has been implicated in a number > of serious political coups d'etat in Indonesia or South Pacific (memory > fails ATM), and MPs in the UK have come under fire for having connections to > Sandline. Sandline was actually formed by ex-UK service people. They call themselves a Private Military Company (PMC). They really came into the UK public's eye during the Sierra Leone affair. There were reports of SI's helicopter being serviced by Royal Naval personnel. Loads could be made of Sandline International, or a fictional equivalent. Indeed, there is enough material to make an entire chapter of a new book, a la PICSES or Tiger Transit. Unfortunately, I am a mere sys admin, without enough background info to make a really detailed effort. I shall just constrain myself to providing the odd tit-bit from my Civil Service days, should anybody want to take on such a project. Jon -- Jonathan Ward || School of Engineering || Aston University || j.r.ward@aston.ac.uk || _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Abdul [lordabdul@vachefolle.com] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 7:48 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Newbie -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > There should be reference lists for books, movies and even > background music > in the Ice Cave. > There should be?! > I put them there! > > > http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/ice_cave.htm > > Check out the CO and General Utilities section - the stuff in > there should > be useful for any starting DG keeper. Hi everybody ! Yep, i'm another newbie. I've been lurking on the DGML a while back, when the MiB was actively..uh, active, and now i just got back to it, mainly because this time, i'll start running my 1st DG campaign. Anyway, it looks like the link, in the Ice Cave, to the DGML archives is broken...maybe it's my internet provider who fucks up (in france we're still in the middle age as far as internet is concerned...grrrr)...there are other archives on the official DG website, but i read somewhere that The Ice Cave's archives were more organized and searchable. So, are they lost or what ? Thanks for help! Abdul. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use Comment: Never trust you goldfish. iQA/AwUBO5Nt5ABMKvnjmtu2EQL/GgCfXOTxwvZ6BLEc2qyuC+iBRg7vEYMAoPe9 wEYo0xNC45krftvYXVbZV/8X =VAoL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 8:01 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Newbie Greetings. >Hi everybody ! Yep, i'm another newbie. They're multiplying! >Anyway, it looks like the link, in the Ice Cave, to the DGML archives >is broken...maybe it's my internet provider who fucks up (in france >we're still in the middle age as far as internet is >concerned...grrrr)...there are other archives on the official DG >website, but i read somewhere that The Ice Cave's archives were more >organized and searchable. So, are they lost or what ? Thanks for >help! It's just that the DGML archives moved and the link was not updated. Ack! More work to do. IIRC, You can access the archives through the official DG page www.delta-green.com Anyway, in the DGML archives you'll find each and every mail ever posted to the list, in strict chronological order. As for the Cave, hell, it was still there the last time I looked! Yes! It's still there! And indeed it still has a lot of digested and collated wisdom from this list. You just have to select a subject and press the relevant link button on the right of the screen. To wit... CO Utility - anything that pertains the keeper, from keeper's-only info to resources General Utility - I won't offend your intelligence by explaining this one Weapon Digest - gunfondling galore, and then some, plus the devastating DGAAA (you figure that out) Outer Gods - the whys and becauses of the OG/GOO Great Races - from Deep One reproduction to Tcho-Tcho genital mutilation, it's all here Tech Updates - Highly specific stuff, normally tech or science oriented DG WorldWide - global conspiracy Historical Data - historical conspiracy DG Reader - assorted weirdness Field Reports - precious few, alas! Containment - Things better kept under lock and key. Wash your hands before you leave. And as you're there, check out the Free Downloads Collection - it's marked by a big yellow button. Just let me know should you have any difficulty reaching the info you need. Davide Mana DGML Ice Delivery Boy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Abdul [lordabdul@vachefolle.com] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 10:12 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Newbie -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > >Hi everybody ! Yep, i'm another newbie. > > They're multiplying! > Ah aaaaah ! we're worse than the Shans!!! (bzzz bzzz bzzz) > As for the Cave, hell, it was still there the last time I looked! > Yes! It's still there! > And indeed it still has a lot of digested and collated wisdom > from this list. > You just have to select a subject and press the relevant link > button on the > right of the screen. > To wit... wooops, sorry. there's this text, at the bottom of the page, that made me believe they had moved to www.nocturne.org/deltagreen (link that doesn't exist). i really should read the texts instead of looking for anything blue and underlined... > And as you're there, check out the Free Downloads Collection - > it's marked > by a big yellow button. yeah, well, with me, your big yellow button is a fortunecity ad. all the pictures have been replaced by a fortunecity ad. anyway, thanks. next time i'll try to ask something less stupid ! ;p -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use Comment: Never trust your goldfish. iQA/AwUBO5OPjABMKvnjmtu2EQI3+ACgpTNNMFlodHaJVPH2DtjD0dAMhwAAoI67 NrjqP/sDd7+9WnaB9BqcyS5d =w11M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Don Fougere [bolide@mars.ark.com] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 10:55 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Unidentified skin parasites Mr. King, Taking this all a step further, I've always considered that due to the unearthly nature and foulness of Chthuloid creatures, that any character that encounters them and survives an attack or even contact with many or most of the differing species, usually has long term complications related to health, even if it is a loss in one point of dex, con, str, app, etc. For example, a weeping wound that won't heal. Makes for a great medical quest as I see it. Related sites include: http://www.dermis.net/doia/mainmenu.asp http://162.129.72.40/derm/ http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/webpath.html Cheers, Don Fougere Image Sleuth - Analytical Imaging Solutions Lazo, B.C. bolide@mars.ark.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Lizard King" To: Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 2:11 AM Subject: [DG] Unidentified skin parasites > http://www.skinparasites.com/ > > From the site: > > "What is Unidentified Skin Parasitic Infection or USPI? Unidentified Skin > Parasitic Infection occurs when an unnamed organism or life form lives, > feeds and breeds, under the skin of a human host. This infection was first > recorded in medical books, in the early part of this century. > "However, because the parasite appears to have so many different > metamorphic features, many of which may resemble, human hair, fabric or lint > (for example) turn of the century physicians wrongly assumed their patients > must have been suffering from a psychosomatic illness rather than a disease. > "Even today, almost 100 years later, many in the medical community fail to > recognize Unidentified Skin Parasitic Infection as a serious disease, > affecting millions of men, women and children worldwide." > > and > > "Rashes, lesions, itching, burning sensations, track marks, scratches, and > papules appear from nowhere on the surface of the skin, along with burrows > under the skin, containing what the sufferer describes as "eggs". Some > people complain of having symptoms in only one spot on the skin ( i.e., > scalp, face, rectum, groin area) while others are infested from head to > toe. Acute insomnia can also be a symptom of this disease. > "Black specks, iridescent crystals, microscopic hairs, wormlike creatures, > hairlike creatures (the size of an eyelash to several inches long, and > colors ranging from transparent to shinny black) "lintlike balls" bloody > and/saltlike granules and threads, have all been described as emerging from > the lesions. Often clothes, bedding, carpets, furniture and cars are heavily > infested, again without remedy." > > I'm thinking of all those people being dismissed as "suffering from a > psychosomatic illness rather than a disease." I'm also reminded of the > common delusion of having bugs under the skin. > > Damn. Nasty bugs burrowing under our flesh for over a hundred years and no > one knows what they are? > > Mark McFadden > > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Don Fougere [bolide@mars.ark.com] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 11:11 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Alien superconductor... - Bucky Balls Get Superconductive http://www.spacedaily.com/news/carbon-01e.html Murray Hill - Aug. 30, 2001 - Scientists from Lucent Technologies' Bell Labs have shown that soccer ball-shaped carbon molecules known as bucky balls can act as superconductors at relatively warm temperatures, raising hopes for inexpensive, power loss-free organic electronics and other practical applications such as quantum computers. Cheers, Don Fougere Image Sleuth - Analytical Imaging Solutions Lazo, B.C. bolide@mars.ark.com From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Tim Craft [timothycraft@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 5:52 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] DG/CoC Rules Question Here's my first one. =) I noticed that you can take skill in Handgun and then a specific 'handgun' (Walther PPK, for instance). Why would you want to? What benefit would you get? If I have Handgun of 50, and PPK of 20, does that mean my effective skill is 70? But why would I do that when I could just put the 20 in handgun and have 70 for all of the different types of handguns? By the way, my first session of DG went great. Two players, totally ignorant of CoC and DG, loved it. They even liked the simplicity of the system. Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 8:19 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Unidentified skin parasites ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Fougere" > > Taking this all a step further, I've always considered that due to the > unearthly nature and foulness of Chthuloid creatures, that any character > that encounters them and survives an attack or even contact with many or > most of the differing species, usually has long term complications related > to health, even if it is a loss in one point of dex, con, str, app, etc. For > example, a weeping wound that won't heal. Just a thought. My first guess with DG applicability was - maybe parasites of some Mythos creature. Then it struck me: If they are up to millimeters in size it's not beyond the bounds of what is conceivable, even without invoking Mythos wierdness, that they might be intelligent themselves. Why shouldn't they *be* the Mythos entities? For some reason we often conceive of these things as physically vast, sometimes as of approximately human size, but never as tiny. Yet one can imagine ways that a parasite that tiny could have considerable intelligence, even without invoking too much Mythos wierdness - if it built up some sort of communal body-wide nerve net, for example. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 7:21 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] TCCorp rocks my world yet again. On 2 September 2001, a day before Shenandoah Day, Shoggoth suggested: >OBDG : We all know , of course , that ANDREA is just the MiB ... Truly and excellent cover and disguise! (Of course, the MiB, as a Secret Master of Disguise, could do it...):) Brings to mind a mental image of the MiB in a slinky black evening gown (a Paris original, of course, instep-length, with a side slit, of expensive raw silk lined with laminations of Ultra and Spectra ballistic fabric), elbow-length black Slashguard (tm) evening gloves (with a small amount of powdered lead hidden in the knuckles to enable them to work as sap gloves), closed-toe Spy Pumps (tm) with two-inch unbreakable heels (containing secret compartments for the lock-picks, miniature microfilm viewer (with escape maps), thermite charge, plastic explosive, and detonators) and the Spy Pump (tm) standard retractable razor-sharp blades in the toes (poison optional)... The pearls of his necklace are (of course) Semtex within a thin plastic shell, armed by pulling them loose, and impact fuzed... The small black clutch purse (with a thin lamination of thermite threads between two layers of silk, and the option of time or remote detonators) contains a C.O.P. .357 Magnum (his "_formal_ pistol"), plus a vial of poison, several exploding business cards, and a remote for detonating them... For those cool nights, he wears a black silk scarf, with a coin already sewn in, to be better used in Thugee-style stranglings...:) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com (Who has seen perhaps too many spy movies and "Wild Wild West" episodes, and also read several "Doc Savage" stories...) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 8:02 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Unidentified skin parasites > For some reason we often conceive of these things as physically vast, > sometimes as of approximately human size, but never as tiny. Yet one can > imagine ways that a parasite that tiny could have considerable intelligence, > even without invoking too much Mythos wierdness - if it built up some sort > of communal body-wide nerve net, for example. How about they're all one creature, and each physical manifestation is just the end of a tentacle reaching from a space just an angle out of phase of our own? And no, a tentacle itself doesn't reach through and grab a person... one splits in half (er, "normal reproduction"), and the tear in the fabric of reality is noosed a notch larger for it, and brought along with it. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 8:07 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG/CoC Rules Question From: "Tim Craft" > I noticed that you can take skill in Handgun and then > a specific 'handgun' (Walther PPK, for instance). Why > would you want to? What benefit would you get? If I > have Handgun of 50, and PPK of 20, does that mean my > effective skill is 70? I can see how you might get confused on this, seeing as some CoC skills (like Art, Other Language, etc) require specializations. In fact, in those skills, you *must* take them with specialization--you can't have a general Art 50% skill, for example; it has to be Art (Jazz Trumpet) 50% or something like that. The weapons skills don't work like that, though. Handgun is just Handgun, and applies to all normal handguns. (Something really freaky, like a Yithian lightning gun or that hawgleg Lepus carries in the Challenge, could require its own skill.) On your character sheet, you write in what handgun your character is carrying, but that's only for convenience, so you can also write the damage, etc. If the character dropped her Ruger Speed Six in a fight and picked up an enemy's Desert Eagle, her skill would be the same. > By the way, my first session of DG went great. Two > players, totally ignorant of CoC and DG, loved it. In my experience, those are the best kind. Most of my players here in Japan have never even played an RPG before, and they really get into it, concerned only with the story and characters and completely uninterested in things like experience points and damage classes and other miscellania. > They even liked the simplicity of the system. Same here. BTW, the latest (or maybe last week's, by now) Pyramid has an article by Shane Ivey (our new listowner) with some clever ideas for the Martial Arts skill, and Hans-Christian's long-awaited GURPS Police Weapons article is in the same issue. And in the issue preceding that, Ken Hite has a report on the Unknown Armies campaign he ran, with John Tynes playing in it. Interesting reading. Dave PS: If you sign up for Pyramid, remember that if you tell them who recommended it to you, that person will get a 1-month free extension. So if you know anyone who is a subscriber, it costs you nothing to give them a little present. (And my User ID is "superdave", BTW. ;-) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 9:45 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Unidentified skin parasites ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Robertson" > My first guess with DG applicability was - maybe parasites of some Mythos > creature. > > Then it struck me: If they are up to millimeters in size it's not beyond > the bounds of what is conceivable, even without invoking Mythos wierdness, > that they might be intelligent themselves. Why shouldn't they *be* the > Mythos entities? Much as I like the idea of a new Mythos beastie, I also like the idea of the parasites being "native" to some other lifeform. For example, these parasites evolved to ride around on Serpent People but they can infest humans as well. The symptoms weren't recorded until the 20th Century because they weren't out and about prior to then. The leap to human hosts is an indication of the increasing number of Serpent People among us, probably due to unprecedented number of Sleepers roused by the encroaching Endtimes. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 10:21 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Unidentified skin parasites From: "The Lizard King" > For example, these > parasites evolved to ride around on Serpent People but they can infest > humans as well. The symptoms weren't recorded until the 20th Century because > they weren't out and about prior to then. The leap to human hosts is an > indication of the increasing number of Serpent People among us, probably due > to unprecedented number of Sleepers roused by the encroaching Endtimes. Perhaps they could have used chickens as an intermediary host--we get a lot of diseases from chickens. And IIRC, birds and reptilians trade diseases pretty easily too. Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 11:15 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Shenandoah Day (Long) (Warning: Dirigiblefondling) Folks, Today marks the 76th anniversary of a crash that was mentioned in the timeline in the CoC book, and which may have had Div P involvement in the investigation... On the night of 2-3 September 1925, the US Navy airship "Shenandoah" (ZR-1) (http://www.nlhs.com/shenandoah.htm) was destroyed inflight by a severe thunderstorm near Ava, Ohio. Some 14 of the 43 men aboard were killed, including her CO, Zachary Lansdowne. (See "Death of a Dirigible" http://tristate.pgh.net/~bsilver/Airship.htm) This crash formed part of the background several years ago for a 20s CoC LARP run by local Charleston area Keeper Brion Hatcher. I was not a PC in it, but, partly because of my knowledge of the crash, of airship operations, and the Navy, and partly because I possessed a Service Dress Blue USN officer's uniform (which, interestingly enough, I had picked up at the local Goodwill), Brion asked me to serve as a technical advisor (at least on the airship and Navy related parts) and an NPC. Thus, I got to play a survivor of the wreck of the "Shenandoah"... Some of the data below might be interesting to those Case Officers wishing to run Ops Simulations as LARPS...:) I brought along some photos of the ship inflight and moored, plus several photographs of the wreckage (which had been stripped by ghoulish souvenir hunters even before the crash investigation team could arrive onsite), maps, and photocopies of newspaper articles concerning the crash. I also had two crew lists for the dirigible's last trip, assembled from some of my data. I even crossed out two names on the original list and wrote two others in by hand above them -- two men who had originally been scheduled to make the trip were unable to, and two other airshipmen from the base at Lakehurst, New Jersey, had volunteered to make the flight instead. The only difference from the real list was the addition of my character's name as a rider. One of the copies of the "Shenandoah" crew roster was in mint condition, except for some check marks I had placed beside the names of the men killed in the crash. The second copy, meant to be the one carried aboard ship, and found in the wreckage, I left outside for part of one night, weighted down with a rock, to weather a thunderstorm that was passing through... While it hadn't really been through an airship crash, it was rained on, and whipped by wind gusts, while pinned under a heavy object! On the real last flight, there were two passengers aboard -- Walter Richardson, a Navy Reserve Lieutenant serving as a photographer, and Colonel Chalmers Hall, aboard as an Army observer... In the game, we added the fictitious Commander Michael Grant, a Navy airship officer (who had also worked with ONI), who had served on the "Shenandoah" before, and who was scheduled to be Lansdowne's relief after the ill-fated goodwill junket. (This fit in with fact -- Lansdowne was scheduled for transfer off the "Shenandoah" to sea duty after this trip; the Navy bureaucracy in 1925 did not consider command of an airship to be "sea duty", and commanding a destroyer would make him more eligible for promotion...) After a mysterious murder (with one of Brion's other friends starring as the corpse), the PCs ended up talking to Commander Grant, who, with a bit of urging, described the final flight, and the loss of his friends. I based my account on a composite of the statements of Richardson and Hall (who left the control car just before it broke loose from the hull in the storm, and were the last people to see Lansdowne and his command crew alive), and LCDR Charles E. Rosendahl, who was senior surviving officer of the ship's complement, and a true hero that night, saving a number of lives. Some of the PCs congratulated me later on, on my performance, saying that I sounded like I had really been there! Their investigation turned up some "salvage from the crash site" -- a piece of a weed-eater (which "Grant" identified as the generator for the ship's short-wave radio), and a stone tablet (actually styrofoam, IIRC) in fragments, with Mysterious Writing (tm). One of the investigators got the willies just touching the generator, and lost big amounts of SAN while working the tablet puzzle. Another, surmising (correctly) that Ithaqua was behind the storm, decided to hypnotize "Grant" and look for clues the officer might not have noticed consciously. (Yes, this was part of the Keeper's plans, and some clues were found that way....) The following session included a SAN-bereft PC now in a straightjacket (I don't know where Brion got it, either), and more clues and weirdness. Things had just gotten really interesting, when Brion delayed the next session of the LARP... It is still "on hold", years later, and he seems to have no real interest in restarting it -- in fact, several of the players have since moved away! While Brion was talking to me about Ithaqua indeed being responsible for the storm and crash ("Shenandoah" was scheduled for a flight to the North Pole following the Midwest PR tour, and the Big I apparently saw this as an invasion of his domain), I never was able to get many of the other details of the proposed plot. Grant was actually based on a character I had occasionally played in 20s CoC -- he was "with ONI", and one of his superiors was apparently interested in seeing that the various weird phenomena the investigators were fighting were prevented from "posing a danger to national security". While this was before DG was released, it sounds like he was with Div P! (In 2001, he's long since retired (hopefully at Flag rank), assuming he's even still alive -- unless, of course, he vanished in the Bermuda Triangle on a mission for Delta Green, and mysteriously reappeared this year...):) He may or may not have been involved in the investigation of the L-8 mystery, in which a WWII Navy blimp came home -- minus its crew! IIRC, there is an adventure in one collection ("Fearful Passage"?) involving a rigid airship, about the size of the ZR-3/LZ-126 (USS "Los Angeles"). I wonder if (assuming the ship survived the adventure) she ended up in the hands of Division P?:) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 11:21 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Unidentified skin parasites On 4 September 2001, the day after Shenandoah Day, "David A. Farnell" <1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp> suggested: >Perhaps they could have used chickens as an intermediary host--we get a lot >of diseases from chickens. And IIRC, birds and reptilians trade diseases >pretty easily too. Well, they're more related than is commonly believed... "Birds are just dinosaurs who have gotten smaller, and who have learned to hide in trees!" (I saw a button once that said this!):) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 11:30 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Shenandoah Day (Long) (Warning: Dirigiblefondling) Just after midnight, on 4 September 2001, in a post he composed on the 3rd, "Michael Layne" said (among other things): > On the night of 2-3 September 1925, the US Navy airship "Shenandoah" >(ZR-1) (http://www.nlhs.com/shenandoah.htm) was destroyed inflight by a >severe thunderstorm near Ava, Ohio. Oops! Should be http://www.nlhs.com/shenando.htm! They abbreviated -- I didn't! Naval Air Station Lakehurst Historical Society -- interesting stuff for those who want to include airships in CoC!:) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 11:57 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Unidentified skin parasites ----- Original Message ----- From: "talaphid" > > For some reason we often conceive of these things as physically vast, > > sometimes as of approximately human size, but never as tiny. > How about they're all one creature, and each physical manifestation is just > the end of a tentacle reaching from a space just an angle out of phase of > our own? He he. That's excellent. Imagine the problems a doctor would have recognising, tracing and extirpating the disease. Explains a lot about why this is "Unidentified". The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 6:26 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Question on volume rarity... Hey folks, got a curiousity Q: I'm working in the library of the American University of Dubai, and we happen to have a 13-volume edition of The Golden Bough, C 1980, along with an abridged version from the 1950's. Should I click my heels together with joy to have such a thing in my grasp, or is this as common as muck thoughout most libraries? Just curious. J. Edward -- CAMPUS CRUSADE FOR CTHULHU -- Dubai, United Arab Emirates /-----------/---\-----------\ ------------|O O|------------ ------------\VAV/------------ -------------I I------------- "and who knows what depths lay in limitless sand; or what horrors are leashed by a great ebon hand?" - Ialdaloboth _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 6:16 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Question on volume rarity... I will put my Friendlies on to it, agent . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "ialdaloboth *genzundheit!*" > > I'm working in the library of the American University of Dubai, and we > happen to have a 13-volume edition of The Golden Bough, C 1980, along with > an abridged version from the 1950's. > > Should I click my heels together with joy to have such a thing in my grasp, > or is this as common as muck thoughout most libraries? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 5:22 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Unidentified skin parasites > > > For some reason we often conceive of these things as physically vast, > > > sometimes as of approximately human size, but never as tiny. > > How about they're all one creature, and each physical manifestation is > > just > > the end of a tentacle reaching from a space just an angle out of phase of > > our own? > > He he. That's excellent. Imagine the problems a doctor would have > recognising, tracing and extirpating the disease. Explains a lot about why > this is "Unidentified". Metamorphic nature being that it has different tendrils to stick out across the planes, and uh... it has allergic reactions to some common medicine things (antibotics, or whatever you please) which would cause a tendril to pull back in agony... if far enough, it'd slip out of its tear, and back into the nativespace of the host organism. So the superficiality of the more or less ordinary disease can be maintained for quite a bit. But the whole "my skin is crawling" just blasts the hell out of infec.. er, symboticed person's SAN... nice Mythos tie there... and then you want to push it a notch further, once the disease has a few hooks in a person that have reached sufficent maturity, they begin wrestling with the central nervous system for control of the body. People doing things they didn't want to do. Various degrees of recall, consciousness, et cet (ie, if a tendril controls the hand and has it strangle someone, the host watches helplessly + in horror... but if a tendril is controling at the spine, it could induce unconsciousness -forcing a reduction of oxygen to the brain, blunt trauma, et cet-).... and then we can have a cult of the controlling tentacle, mostly controlled human agents who are furthering the propagation... perhaps even running asylums that persons who claim to see insects crawling into their skin are all let into... SURE we'll help you *waits for the "If you read DG manual so and so..." response* _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 8:17 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] The living dead girl!!!!! http://members.home.net/margoschreck/hindex.htm comes complete with a way to do it in CoC! : ) This looks amusing... J. Edward _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 7:41 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Question on volume rarity... >From: "Andy Robertson" >I will put my Friendlies on to it, agent . . . > thank you sir -- much obliged : ) J. Edward _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Matt "TrollBoy" Wiseman [trollboy@shoggoth.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 9:36 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The living dead girl!!!!! It is pretty good, and aside form the Schrek stuff, the history is fairly accurate. The nazi's and the SS did have a major occult interest, even to the point of having a run in with Crowley. Matt "TrollBoy" Wiseman Webmaster: Shoggoth.net Site Designer: phpslash.org The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown. -H.P. Lovecraft --------------------------------------------------------- Please do not resell my e-mail address to anyone or send me unsolicited e-mail --------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "ialdaloboth *genzundheit!*" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 9:17 AM Subject: [DG] The living dead girl!!!!! > http://members.home.net/margoschreck/hindex.htm > > comes complete with a way to do it in CoC! : ) > > This looks amusing... > > J. Edward > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 6:59 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Question on volume rarity... 13-volume edition of The Golden > Bough, C 1980, along with > an abridged version from the 1950's. > > Should I click my heels together with joy to have > such a thing in my grasp, > or is this as common as muck thoughout most > libraries? a quick net research shows that in my state nearly every university library has at least one copy or translation (probably heavily editet) dating somewhere between 1900 and and 2000 (1087 pages translated pocket edition), though some are standing in rather strange places. just remember: do not click three times. festus __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/