From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Peter Devlin [peter.devlin@axisanimation.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 9:50 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] The living dead girl!!!!! Ah, inspired by Rob Zombie, one of the more talented graduates of Club Apocalypse. What a career he's had, working as a designer for porno mags then fronting Beavis and Butthead's fave band (White Zombie) on MTV. http://www.robzombie.com/index1.html Keep an eye out for his forthcoming big-screen movie "House of 1000 Corpses", which the original distributors dropped as it was too bloody, gory and gross-out violent. Guaranteed not to be another teen-oriented slasher flick ;) "We anticipate an NC-17 rating for the picture, which would unfortunately be at odds with our motion picture releasing strategy." - Stacey Snider, Universal Pictures. Cheers. Peter Devlin (peter.devlin@axisanimation.com) "Whatever it is, it's weird and pissed off!" >Subject: [DG] The living dead girl!!!!! > > >http://members.home.net/margoschreck/hindex.htm > >comes complete with a way to do it in CoC! : ) > >This looks amusing... > >J. Edward _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:59 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] US security and tradecraft No worries... it's just I used to work on similar systems. -----Original Message----- From: Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord [mailto:wardjr@aston.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:30 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] US security and tradecraft On a computer, far, far away, Rayburn, Russell E. wrote: > Intelink is not the 'internal intranet'. It's a web site containing > intelligence reports from various agencies (FBI, NCIS, CIA, DIA, et. al.). For once, mea non culpa. I was fed disinformation. Jon -- Jonathan Ward || School of Engineering || Aston University || j.r.ward@aston.ac.uk || _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 5:16 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Question on volume rarity... ----- Original Message ----- From: "ialdaloboth *genzundheit!*" > I'm working in the library of the American University of Dubai, and we > happen to have a 13-volume edition of The Golden Bough, C 1980, along with > an abridged version from the 1950's. > > Should I click my heels together with joy to have such a thing in my grasp, > or is this as common as muck thoughout most libraries? The 13-volume whole thing? Dude! Even Colonel Kurtz only had the condensed. Now get yourself a copy of "From Ritual to Romance" by Jessie Weston, "The Wasteland" and "The Hollow Men" by T. S. Eliot and a widescreen copy of "Apocalypse Now", deal yourself a hand of 5-Card Tarot (Pentacles wild) then wait for the fnords. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 9:02 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Question on volume rarity... If they have a course that pertains to mythology (that is, any given campus), then I would imagine that text would not be far behind. I perused the text at random, and if I'm remembering the correct text, there's a passage that basically states the whole of mythology is the result of primative minds trying to grasp at why the universe works. That part may hold some water as stated, however it goes on to state that our ancestors came up with their conclusions because they were lunkheads, and that Christ is the obvious, evolved answer. Ie, better brain == Christ is obvious. Makes me wonder what his thoughts on Mohammeadians are. Not to go too into the religion aspect of it, but if he's willing to explain religion as a function of brain computational ability, which is tenuous at best (c'mon now, Christian theologians have been working at a good logical proof for God for at least 1.5 millenia), I'm very curious how such a (to me) boneheaded conclusion colours the rest of his work. Of course, I may have been reading the text next to it in the library.. went through the shelf. If I'm off base, feel free to fwap me. =p Then again, reading a work writ by a bonehead may be good for some SAN rolls. I think we can all agree I'm off my rocker... > Hey folks, got a curiousity Q: > > I'm working in the library of the American University of Dubai, and we > happen to have a 13-volume edition of The Golden Bough, C 1980, along with > an abridged version from the 1950's. > > Should I click my heels together with joy to have such a thing in my grasp, > or is this as common as muck thoughout most libraries? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bryan Fennell [bryan.fennell@uleth.ca] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 6:32 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Khorne is back Let the games begin... Sporadically over the last year, I've been on the list under my old e-mail address handle, Khorne. I'm back, so whenever you see BCF, that's Khorne. On another topic, can anyone tell me anything about Chris Womack, the fellow who shows up here sporadically? I ask because I'm taking an economics course in Lethbridge, Alberta, taught by a Chris Womack, and it would be a supreme, perhaps Lovecraftian, irony if they were one and the same (he'd have yet another reason to mark me down). Anyway, lets go go go!!!! From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Rodemaker [dar@horusinc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 5:47 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Question on volume rarity... Errmmm... The Golden Bough has been pretty well "discounted" as Frazer himself ended up admitting that he made some things up whole-cloth. Evidently when he had some concept that he wanted to expound upon but couldn't find a real-world example he would find some thing similar and ...invent. I always used to get a laugh out of seeing it as one of the lesser tomes in CoC. The San loss is from wading through it... David PS: The whole primitive minds thing is not a Frazer original... Look to the works of Mircea Eliade on shamanistic religions and the much laters works by Campbell for the same thread. Though both of them far post-date Frazer thier scholorship is much, much better. D. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com > [mailto:owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com]On Behalf Of talaphid > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 9:02 AM > To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com > Subject: Re: [DG] Question on volume rarity... > > > If they have a course that pertains to mythology (that is, any given > campus), then I would imagine that text would not be far behind. I perused > the text at random, and if I'm remembering the correct text, there's a > passage that basically states the whole of mythology is the result of > primative minds trying to grasp at why the universe works. That part may > hold some water as stated, however it goes on to state that our ancestors > came up with their conclusions because they were lunkheads, and > that Christ > is the obvious, evolved answer. Ie, better brain == Christ is obvious. > Makes me wonder what his thoughts on Mohammeadians are. Not to go too into > the religion aspect of it, but if he's willing to explain religion as a > function of brain computational ability, which is tenuous at best (c'mon > now, Christian theologians have been working at a good logical > proof for God > for at least 1.5 millenia), I'm very curious how such a (to me) boneheaded > conclusion colours the rest of his work. > > Of course, I may have been reading the text next to it in the > library.. went > through the shelf. If I'm off base, feel free to fwap me. =p > > Then again, reading a work writ by a bonehead may be good for some SAN > rolls. I think we can all agree I'm off my rocker... > > > Hey folks, got a curiousity Q: > > > > I'm working in the library of the American University of Dubai, and we > > happen to have a 13-volume edition of The Golden Bough, C 1980, > along with > > an abridged version from the 1950's. > > > > Should I click my heels together with joy to have such a thing in my > grasp, > > or is this as common as muck thoughout most libraries? > > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 9:09 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] The living dead girl!!!!! On 4 September 2001, Peter Devlin advised, re Rob the Zombie: >Keep an eye out for his forthcoming big-screen movie "House of 1000 >Corpses", which the original distributors dropped as it was too bloody, >gory >and gross-out violent. Guaranteed not to be another teen-oriented slasher >flick ;) Mad Zombie Slashers! They're not just for teenaged kids any more! And stay tuned for the SCA Zombie film "Knight of the Living Dead"!:) (In which the combined armies of the East, Middle, AEthelmearc, and their allies take on the "Resurrected Casualties" of Team Rhino in the Woods at Coopers' Lake!) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com Two SCA fighters, with green triangles of duct tape on their helmets, run up a steep path toward the top of a wooded hill. They do this in 60 lbs of armor, and they normally do this for fun... Today, they are being chased by a horde of armored zombies... Fighter #1: "When ALPHONSE told me to be prepared for a Night at the Opera at _Pennsic_, I thought he was kidding! These zombies are worse than _Dukes_!" Fighter #2: "Save your breath for running!" -- from promotional clip for "Knight of the Living Dead":) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:11 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Question on volume rarity... > PS: The whole primitive minds thing is not a Frazer original... Look to the > works of Mircea Eliade on shamanistic religions and the much laters works by > Campbell for the same thread. Though both of them far post-date Frazer thier > scholorship is much, much better. There we go. I'm sorry, I had confused a neighboring Campbell text. The author's name has, for some reason, stuck. Yes, I was commenting -against- the scholarly value of the work, based on the writing's constant, "And the reason for these primative people having these primative notions is their inferior brain." _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 1:47 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Question on volume rarity... >If they have a course that pertains to mythology (that is, any given >campus), then I would imagine that text would not be far behind. We don't seem to have one, here. It's limited course offerings, I'm afraid. And though this may be the American University in Dubai, we're still in Dubai -- I don't think examining old, 'pagan' religions is going to go over too well. We snagged our collection from another liberal art's college that either went belly up or wanted to get rid of 25,000 volumes at a go. I'm not sure which. >Makes me wonder what his thoughts on Mohammeadians are. Well, hopefully he'd use the more accurate term, "muslims." ; ) Other than that, I'll just have to read it and find out. J. Edward _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bill Nichols [themaninawhitecar@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 5:05 PM To: Delta Green List Subject: [DG] Secret CIA Germ Warfare Research! This one speaks for itself: http://www.msnbc.com/news/623713.asp?pne=msn&cp1=1#BODY Bill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 5:34 PM To: Delta Green Community (E-mail) Subject: [DG] questionable shan behaviour If this is a repost, my apologies. I haven't received anything from the list since early this morning (including my posting below) so hopefully it's just a slow list day and mine didn't go through for some reason. Regardless, here 'tis again. (And I didn't even have to be a lamer and say "test post, please ignore"!! In fact, please don't ignore!) Anyway without further blathering.... I'm slogging though Countdown right now (hey, better late than never) and came across something that made no sense. So I'll see what y'all think... C O U N T D O W N S P O I L E R S P A C E The Army of the Third Eye seems to have life way too easy. Drill a hole, introduce sunlight, induce panic, squish a bug. Cool. But these bugs have six lobed brains that allow them to be super-intelligent, right? And the sunlight is only fatal to them after a longish period of exposure unlike, say, a vampire. Add to that the fact that they are already aware of the Army of the Third Eye, and I don't understand why they would come flying out of a persons head the moment sunlight shows up. They already know that somebody is standing by waiting for them to exit. Wouldn't they be much more likely to withstand the sunlight for even a little while in hopes that people will have their guard down when they get around to leaving? Go ahead and take the sunlight for half an hour or so. Use that time to your advantage. Torture your host with memories of Azazoth until you can get him to run away. Tell him, "Look! Way over there! A place without Azazoth! Run for it!" Go ahead and drive the host as crazy as you must to get them to run away. (Preferably to a nice dark place.) Then, once they are safely away from the shan hunters with their blowtorches and oversized shoes, fly away home. Trepanation works nicely to get rid of them, but they shouldn't fall so easily into such a simple trap. Or do you think they should? Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Luis Vilaça [iberika@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 11:10 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Beyond the Mountains of MAdness I bought "Beyond the Mountains of Madness" at Amazon. Still waiting for it to arrive. Anyone played it before? If so, I wonder if giving Lovecraft's "At the Mountains of Madness" novel to read to my players is a spoiler regarding the adventure that I intend to play in a few months. Thanks in advance, Luis ===== v.i.s.i.t | m.y | 3.D | g.a.l.l.e.r.y http://www.cortereal.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 12:11 PM To: Dgrpg (E-mail) Subject: [DG] More info on Intellink There was a brief discussion of the rouge NRO agent who administered the intellink web site. Some followup info on the site itself: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33605-2001Sep2.html "Former Air Force Master Sgt. Brian P. Regan's alleged attempt to sell to Libya documents he downloaded from Intelink, the U.S. intelligence community's classified Web site, has reopened long-standing doubts about putting all that secret data in one place." One thing the article does not mention: The site itself is on SIPRNET, the DOD 'internet'. It's physically isolated from the rest of the internet, so no having players say they hacked in from home (grin). _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Chris Womack [jcwomack@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 4:14 PM To: deltagreen revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Khorne is back on 9/4/01 6:31 PM, Bryan Fennell at bryan.fennell@uleth.ca wrote: > On another topic, can anyone tell me anything about Chris Womack, the fellow > who shows up here sporadically? Wrong--I lurk constantly. I only bother to post sporadically--most typically when somebody's managed to trip my COOF alarm in a most egregious fashion. I find that since I've begun autodeleting messages from certain listmembers sight unseen, this happens with much less frequency of late. > I ask because I'm taking an economics course > in Lethbridge, Alberta, taught by a Chris Womack, and it would be a supreme, > perhaps Lovecraftian, irony if they were one and the same (he'd have yet > another reason to mark me down). No, that's not me. So I have an evil twin, eh? (He *must* be the evil one--he's Canadian and he teaches economics.) Now, give me another year or two to finish my dissertation, and I might turn up teaching your next English lit. or comp. class. > Anyway, lets go go go!!!! Okay, consider yourself gone gone gone. C Chris Womack jcwomack@earthlink.net Keeper of the DGML (Ret'd.) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 7:54 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] More info on Intellink Unless they're a former (pardon if I hit the wrong alphabet soup) CIA head... in which case, access from home is possible. =p > One thing the article does not mention: The site itself is on SIPRNET, the > DOD 'internet'. It's physically isolated from the rest of the internet, so > no having players say they hacked in from home (grin). _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Rodemaker [dar@horusinc.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 9:11 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Question on volume rarity... > > PS: The whole primitive minds thing is not a Frazer original... Look to > the > > works of Mircea Eliade on shamanistic religions and the much > laters works > by > > Campbell for the same thread. Though both of them far post-date Frazer > thier > > scholorship is much, much better. > > There we go. I'm sorry, I had confused a neighboring Campbell text. The > author's name has, for some reason, stuck. Yes, I was commenting -against- > the scholarly value of the work, based on the writing's constant, "And the > reason for these primative people having these primative notions is their > inferior brain." Upon re-reading my original comment I have to clarify something. Eliade most certainly does not take the stance that "primitive religion/mysticism" is a result of a primitive mind. He takes the stance that the characteristics of religion result from the needs and desires of the culture. Fascinating stuff and very well written. Very respectful of the shamanistic religions (and religion in general) and was writing in an era when it was certainly more fashionable to cal it all the result of inferior minds. Really has some insightful commentary on the nature of religion. Campbell however... To wrench this back on topic: Eliade postulates (rough translation) that religion is a return to a sacred time and a sacred place that is co-existent with the mythical time when the 'gods' were manifest. He has a number of supporting examples from modern and ancient religion to support this. Sounds like the Mythos Cults and the Endtimes huh? Also, Eliade was Prof. Emeritus here at the University of Chicago up until his death in the ...80's (IIRC). I happen to know someone who studied under him and got to know him quite well. From the stories it sounds like he would be an excellent Friendly from that time period. Now I'm going to have to find out if there is a biography of him somewhere... David _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:27 AM To: Delta Green Community (E-mail) Subject: [DG] questionable shan behaviour I'm slogging though Countdown right now (hey, better late than never) and came across something that made no sense. So I'll see what y'all think... C O U N T D O W N S P O I L E R S P A C E The Army of the Third Eye seems to have life way too easy. Drill a hole, introduce sunlight, induce panic, squish a bug. Cool. But these bugs have six lobed brains that allow them to be super-intelligent, right? And the sunlight is only fatal to them after a longish period of exposure unlike, say, a vampire. Add to that the fact that they are already aware of the Army of the Third Eye, and I don't understand why they would come flying out of a persons head the moment sunlight shows up. They already know that somebody is standing by waiting for them to exit. Wouldn't they be much more likely to withstand the sunlight for even a little while in hopes that people will have their guard down when they get around to leaving? Go ahead and take the sunlight for half an hour or so. Use that time to your advantage. Torture your host with memories of Azazoth until you can get him to run away. Tell him, "Look! Way over there! A place without Azazoth! Run for it!" Go ahead and drive the host as crazy as you must to get them to run away. (Preferably to a nice dark place.) Then, once they are safely away from the shan hunters with their blowtorches and oversized shoes, fly away home. Trepanation works nicely to get rid of them, but they shouldn't fall so easily into such a simple trap. Or do you think they should? Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 8:10 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Agent STOBOR's Advice on Zombies (Humor) (was [DG] The living dead girl!!) Fellow Conspirators, On 5 September 2001 (the day before I reach the age of 47... and still not a Zombie), I forwarded the data concerning Zombies to Agent STOBOR, who holds a job in a WV State Agency that seems to be primarily staffed by Zombies (except at quitting time). As an expert on West Virginia Zombies, he wrote back: >How to make a zombie >1 Chain someone with musical taste to a chair in the grand ole opry for at >least two whole performances. >2 Tie someone to an easy chair and force them to watch a "Scooby Doo" >marathon, or worse, a whole day of the soap opera channel. >3 After either or both of the above, offer them free candy bars and soda >pop if they perform menial tasks without questioning, such as strangling >people at night, being shot by cops, attacking grave robbers, etc. > >the above methods are not guaranteed, and are void where prohibited > >Richard Mangus, Mining I, rmangus@wvbep.org Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 8:39 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Question on volume rarity... > > There we go. I'm sorry, I had confused a neighboring Campbell text. The > > author's name has, for some reason, stuck. Yes, I was commenting -against- > > the scholarly value of the work, based on the writing's constant, "And the > > reason for these primative people having these primative notions is their > > inferior brain." > Upon re-reading my original comment I have to clarify something. Eliade most > certainly does not take the stance that "primitive religion/mysticism" is a > result of a primitive mind. He takes the stance that the characteristics of I haven't read Eliade, nor, apparently, Golden Bough *sp*. I had triggered the text name for some reason as Campbell's opus. > Eliade postulates (rough translation) that religion is a return to a sacred > time and a sacred place that is co-existent with the mythical time when the > 'gods' were manifest. He has a number of supporting examples from modern and > ancient religion to support this. I believe I was reading.... Ethopian and Egyptian mythology, and the kings/queens in one were gods/goddesses in the other, and vice versa. Same countries reflecting on the other (regions, well, anyway), with the royalty of one visiting the deities of the other. A tiny case for 'primative mythology' as a magnification upon retelling (ad deitiness?) of heroes. If it needs spelling out, the kings and... well, queens only, if memory serves... of the foreign land always come to the native gods as supplicants. ObDG: None in my post, anyway. Oh, wth... Mythos entities and their related Elder God having a similar Mythosological exchange? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Greg Muir [gregmuir@adelphia.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 11:36 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] A few words on Books. > The Brotherhood of War Series (all 6): WEB Griffin > Excellent work on the Army from the end of WWII to the > middle of Nam. The weird thing in these books, though: no action scenes! Everything is extremely well-written but doesn't it seem just a bit odd that three wars are covered with no combat scenes? :) This isn't just a reflection of real life being slightly less exciting than the movies, i.e. not every major character is gonna be involved in the big historical battles. In the Marine Corps novels, there was a character who did happen to fight in hte battle of midway -- and he has no recollection of it due to being wounded in combat. Now I'm all for character development and the Army novels were very well-written. I enjoyed them a lot. I'm also not a Rambo freak that thinks the point of a war story is big battles. I just find it incredibly odd that the author takes such great pains to avoid depicting combat, even when it is a logical and expected outcome of the events as depicted in the story. (I do agree with you about the Marine series, it was a total clone. Can't say anything about his cop series, gave up on reading him after the Marine stuff.) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Mr. Zero [mrzero@twilite.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 8:59 PM To: Delta Green Community (E-mail) Subject: Re: [DG] questionable shan behaviour On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Gatten, Marshall wrote: } C } O } U } N } T } D } O } W } N } } S } P } O } I } L } E } R } } S } P } A } C } E } And the sunlight is only fatal to them after a longish period of exposure } unlike, say, a vampire. Add to that the fact that they are already aware of } the Army of the Third Eye, and I don't understand why they would come flying } out of a persons head the moment sunlight shows up. They already know that } somebody is standing by waiting for them to exit. I'm getting through it right now as well, and am in fact writing a series of one-shot tie ins to my main game. My impression was that the Shan generally slept during the day, that's why they bugged out when the sun suddenly hit them. sean [mmmm 'the frolic'] == mrzero@twilite.org Homepage: http://www.twilite.org/~mrzero ICQ: 121817936 DG-DarkTide: http://brsp.net/~mrzero "Scotch, straight up, no xeno-linguistic virus. Please." _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Rodemaker [dar@horusinc.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 7:36 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Question on volume rarity... > Mythos entities and their related Elder God having a similar > Mythosological > exchange? I can think of two... err three... err *four* right of the top of my head. (In the order that they came to me) Tcho-Tcho's Mi-Go Shan Deep Ones All of these are rather no-brainers for this argument. If you also factor in the Dreamlands then almost everyone has the ability to do so in one form or another... Duh! Two More! North American Indians => Ithaqua (Eliade wrote the *book* on Shamanism BTW, entitled 'Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy') Serpent People => Yig David _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Rodemaker [dar@horusinc.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 7:46 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] A few words on Books. > > The Brotherhood of War Series (all 6): WEB Griffin > > Excellent work on the Army from the end of WWII to the > > middle of Nam. > > The weird thing in these books, though: no action scenes! Everything is > extremely well-written but doesn't it seem just a bit odd that three wars > are covered with no combat scenes? :) This isn't just a reflection of real > life being slightly less exciting than the movies, i.e. not every major > character is gonna be involved in the big historical battles. In > the Marine > Corps novels, there was a character who did happen to fight in > hte battle of > midway -- and he has no recollection of it due to being wounded in combat. > Now I'm all for character development and the Army novels were very > well-written. I enjoyed them a lot. I'm also not a Rambo freak that thinks > the point of a war story is big battles. I just find it > incredibly odd that > the author takes such great pains to avoid depicting combat, even > when it is > a logical and expected outcome of the events as depicted in the > story. (I do > agree with you about the Marine series, it was a total clone. Can't say > anything about his cop series, gave up on reading him after the Marine > stuff.) Hmmm.... I had never noticed that before but you are sort-of correct. The is some action, but most of it is very personal/ one-on-one. I suspect that it is the style of writer. Felter gunning down the officer in Greece, Parker shooting the officer in Korea, Lowell sniping at the Koreans the first night they attack his company, there are a number of times where various people deck one another... For some reason I recall the earlier novels better than the later ones. I suspect that this was merely a choice on the part of the author. He seems to be much more interested in describing the community of the military. "The Brotherhood of War" than describing the actual combat. When I think about this, and factor in my wife's comments I applaud him. He has by any number of votes captured life in the military of that time period. And evidently captured it in a manner that still spoke true to people serving 20 years later. David _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bryan Fennell [bryan.fennell@uleth.ca] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:37 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] More info on Intellink "> There was a brief discussion of the rouge NRO agent who administered the > intellink web site. Some followup info on the site itself:" "Rouge" NRO agent? He's both red colored and French? I guess I'd be bitter too, then. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bryan Fennell [bryan.fennell@uleth.ca] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:42 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Question on volume rarity... > Eliade postulates (rough translation) that religion is a return to a sacred > time and a sacred place that is co-existent with the mythical time when the > 'gods' were manifest. He has a number of supporting examples from modern and > ancient religion to support this. > > Sounds like the Mythos Cults and the Endtimes huh? Sounds more like the Dreamtime to me. If this fellow is right, then religion is an echo of the Dreamtime in our mundane sort of space, and our activities to foster religions are attempts to "tune in" or amplify the signal that the Dreamtime is putting out. Now, if this Elidae fellow is right, and we're after 'a sacred time and a sacred place that is co-existent with the mythical time when the 'gods' were manifest' which echoes into our world as religion, co-existent with time, then could religion not be a reverberation of Yog-Sothoth, and represent his vector into mundane reality? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:58 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Beyond the Mountains of Madness From: "Luis Vilaça" > I bought "Beyond the Mountains of Madness" at Amazon. > Still waiting for it to arrive. Anyone played it > before? Welcome, Luis. This was a much-discussed topic in the past, although unfortunately I was unable to uncover a unified thread in the Ice Cave, so I don't have any convenient "go here for more info" URL for you. However, a trip to www.delta-green.com will let you use the search app there--typing in "beyond mountains madness" turned up 36 entries from the Archives and the Cave. That should give you some evil ideas to spring on your players. I also seem to remember that at least one Keeper here ran the campaign, perhaps even updated to the modern era. Did anyone ever put up notes for that on a website? > If so, I wonder if giving Lovecraft's "At the > Mountains of Madness" novel to read to my players is a > spoiler regarding the adventure that I intend to play > in a few months. _Beyond the Mountains of Madness_ discusses that very question in detail. To put it simply, there's really no problem if your players read the story, or not. (I've read the campaign, but I haven't had a chance to run it.) Related to that, ideas for using HPL's stories within a campaign: http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/dghplbks.htm BTW, I just want to mention that when someone brings up a topic we discussed in the past, and I suggest a look in the Ice Cave or Archives or whatever, that suggestion should not be read in a "Read the Archives before you ask any goddam questions, newbie! Arrrrrrrr!!!" tone of voice. The voice in my head while writing is more like, "Take a look at this--I hope it helps. And if you read it and have anything to add, by all means go for it." Some people seem to get insulted by recommendations that they should read what's already been written on a subject, but it only makes sense to do so. Some very insightful listmembers are no longer with us, and others have become less active, so they might not bother to respond to questions they've already talked about. OTOH, people with new ideas might draw them out. And reading those old ideas is just more fodder for coming up with new ones. Old threads never die--they just sleep, dreaming, until the stars are right... Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jim Clunie [jim_clunie@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:23 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Secret CIA Germ Warfare Research! >From: Bill Nichols > >This one speaks for itself: > >http://www.msnbc.com/news/623713.asp?pne=msn&cp1=1#BODY > >Bill > "The facility did not produce any germ warfare agents, but in two separate tests produced two “simulants,” or fake viruses." ?? "The program, code-named Clear Vision, was so poorly coordinated at one time that then President Clinton was never briefed on it, several people who held top posts during the Clinton administration told the Times." ! Jim C _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Peter Devlin [peter.devlin@axisanimation.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 6:58 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Beyond the Mountains of Madness And so it was written: > I bought "Beyond the Mountains of Madness" at Amazon. > Still waiting for it to arrive. Anyone played it > before? Hello Luis. I have run BTMOM to completion (twice) and beyond (currently still going in modern DG/PISCES times). I was one of the original playtesters who worked through BTMOM prior to publication. >If so, I wonder if giving Lovecraft's "At the >Mountains of Madness" novel to read to my players is a >spoiler regarding the adventure that I intend to play >in a few months. No, it is not a spoiler. When you play through BTMOM, at the halfway point you actually have to give the players a full copy of 'At The Mountains of Madness' as a player handout! It is referred to as The Dyer Text, a factual (sic) account of the previous Miskatonic Expedition which the players can get a hold of in-game. I suggest that you wait before letting them read the story. If they haven't read it (my players hadn't read it before) the impact of reading it as an in-game clue has a huge effect on their group psychology. It serves to crystalise their fears and introduce lots of additional possibilities. Giving them the story beforehand will spoil the suspense and surprise. Wait. Be patient. Trust me. There is *nothing* in Antarctica, honest... :) Cheers. Peter Devlin (peter.devlin@axisanimation.com) "Whatever it is, it's weird and pissed off!" _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Crossingham, Adam [Adam.Crossingham@markelintl.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 8:22 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: [DG] [News] Police prepare to blow up cult statue THE followers of an obscure cult were moved from their hilltop base in Provence by police yesterday as preparations were made to demolish a 110ft-high concrete statue of their guru with explosives. http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/06/wcult06.x ml&sSheet=/news/2001/09/06/ixhomer.html _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 5:54 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Question on volume rarity... --- talaphid schrieb: > I believe I was reading.... Ethopian and Egyptian > mythology, and the > kings/queens in one were gods/goddesses in the > other, and vice versa. don´t know about ethiopia, but the egyptian pharao was a deity in his own country. the rest of the world outside the river nil valley actually did not count. nothing obviously OBDG, just nitpicking :-) festus __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Morpheus [morpheus_76@usa.net] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 4:53 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Beyond the Mountains of MAdness [spoiler!] Luis "Vilaça" wrote: > I bought "Beyond the Mountains of Madness" at Amazon. > Still waiting for it to arrive. Anyone played it > before? Well, when I was living in Verona (the Romeo&Juliet town, that's it!) I've made up a group to play it, but (alas) we never reach the end (due to RL causes : so I ended the last session killin' all the PCs...). Anyway, it's a veeery long campaign : I think it's very difficult to complete it in less than one year (with regular session). The multiple plots are very good, but the Keeper's has to offer a lot of NPC interaction (and there a lot of important NPC!). The pace of the story start slow, but it increase toward the middle. The ending it's probably one of the best things ever written in the RPG's history. The book itself it's well organized and with interesting section on polar survival, transports ... and a lot of players handout. > If so, I wonder if giving Lovecraft's "At the > Mountains of Madness" novel to read to my players is a > spoiler regarding the adventure that I intend to play > in a few months. [SPOILER SPACE FOR BTMOM!] [SPOILER SPACE FOR BTMOM!] [SPOILER SPACE FOR BTMOM!] [SPOILER SPACE FOR BTMOM!] In the BTMOM campaign, the Lovecraft's "At the Mountains of Madness" novel is a real life documents called (IIRC) "The Dyer's Text". I suggest that you give it to the players after a few session, as the PCs find it; this way you don't spoil some elements from the last part of BTMOM. So, you have the most complete (and interesting) Lovecraft's handout. Finally, I suggest also using Ennio Morricone "The Thing" (Carpenter version, of course) original soundtrack. Creepy. A "must" sourcebook, this BTMOM, and probably the best traditional 1920's campaign ever written. From a DG point of view, it's not so useful, because if you shift it to the 90s (with all this damn technology) you could lose many plots and risk to weak the mood. Now, when we make some useful adaptations for using it in DGWWII (more precisely pre-DGWWII)? To connect it to AKTION EISSCHLOSSE ? Gil , somebody is working on this things ? Bye, .M. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:17 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] More info on Intellink Right soup hit ;-) IIRC, that was a laptop dialing in to a modem connected to SIPRNET... definitely a no-no, but as any good agent can tell you, RHIP. Still, it would make an interesting plot for friendlies... watching government employees exiting from an unmarked building to see who is carrying laptops home, following them then a little b&e to access their notebooks... thinking 'Sneakers' here. -----Original Message----- From: talaphid [mailto:isa@zerg.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 8:54 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] More info on Intellink Unless they're a former (pardon if I hit the wrong alphabet soup) CIA head... in which case, access from home is possible. =p > One thing the article does not mention: The site itself is on SIPRNET, the > DOD 'internet'. It's physically isolated from the rest of the internet, so > no having players say they hacked in from home (grin). _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of REFLECTING SKIN [reflectingskin@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:31 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] questionable shan behaviour >From: "Gatten, Marshall" >C >O >U >N >T >D >O >W >N > >S >P >O >I >L >E >R > >S >P >A >C >E > >The Army of the Third Eye seems to have life way too easy. Drill a hole, >introduce sunlight, induce panic, squish a bug. Cool. Get hunted by MI-6, MI-5, Interpol, put into mental institutions, risk serious neurological trauma, get hunted by PISCES and occassionally just get eaten by a Xiclotl. (sp?cant remember right now) Sure that sounds great. ;-) >But these bugs have six lobed brains that allow them to >be >super-intelligent, right? Genius by human standards I believe (Cant remember avg INT score) but mostly just "differently' intelligent if you know what I mean. >And the sunlight is only fatal to them after a longish >period of exposure >unlike, say, a vampire. Add to that >the fact that they are already aware >of >the Army of the Third Eye, and I don't understand why >they would come >flying >out of a persons head the moment sunlight shows up. They >already know that >somebody is standing by waiting for them to exit. I've addressed this once before. Irrational Fear, Racial memory, take your average person down the street and suddenly make them Completely Blind, covered in a rubbing alcohol and they'd freak out and run like hell too...regardless of any 'real' danger... Also, Shans can always run away and head for the next victim, or the nearest Tree (being my favorite shan escape route - A forest is the perfect place to hide, all that nice stable organic material to phase into) >Wouldn't they be much more likely to withstand the >sunlight for even a >little while in hopes that people will have their guard >down when they get >around to leaving? I'd let an Elder SHan try it, but those pesky earth-borne Shans just run like the dickens... >Or do you think they should? It never bothered me and seems to work pretty well. Overall, their one of my favorite things In countdown if that's possible...(to pick one, I mean)... -Reflecting Skin- "How now Brown Cow I'm down with the Mau Mau, Clown downtown tried to put us in the dog pound, like H. Rap Brown with the situation,(Won't get no callouses),cause I'm spittin dialectical analysis. So how is this, we never had no Funk until you found out that I turned into a revolutionary, Punk!" - The Coup, Genocide & Juice _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:34 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] questionable shan behaviour >From: "Gatten, Marshall" >C >O >U >N >T >D >O >W >N > >S >P >O >I >L >E >R > >S >P >A >C >E > >>Wouldn't they be much more likely to withstand the sunlight for even >>a little while in hopes that people will have their guard down when >>they get around to leaving? >I'd let an Elder SHan try it, but those pesky earth-borne Shans just >run like the dickens... That's an answer I like. The Army of the Third Eye is unlikely to get an Elder Shan very often at all. So they can grow nicely complacent with the Earth born sissies. Once they think they have the whole thing mastered, they manage to kidnap the host of an Elder Shan and all hell breaks loose. The host goes nuts after trepanation, tries to kill everybody who's trying to save them, then runs off and packs dirt into the hole to block off the sunlight and hides in a forest. The Shan takes off into a tree and waits for nightfall. The next day the dead body is found by authorities and the Army of the Third Eye is now hunted by cops for killing a government official, and so are in a whole lot more trouble than they already were before. Cool.