From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Christopher (Case Officer) [christopher@delta-green.com] Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 11:59 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Weird, weird <> Much appreciated, and I regret the inconvenience to everybody. Unfortunately the host killed majordomo before they asked me about it, so there wasn't much I could do in this case except work on it after the fact. As for yahoo! groups, my only reservation is that delivery can be sporadic on that system - I've been on several Yahoo! lists and have heard from people who lost mail on a daily basis. But they have the advantage of a steadier infrastructure and built-in digests and other goodies, so there are advantages either way. In any event, the location of the list is ultimately up to Alphonse, and I'll be happy to help set it up if I can wherever he recommends. Sorry again for the problems. Hopefully this sort of thing won't happen again. - Shane Ivey R E V O L U T I O N s f the revolution in sci-fi http://revolutionsf.com/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com [mailto:owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com]On Behalf Of Gil Trevizo Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 10:59 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Weird, weird At 02:20 PM 9/8/01 +0100, David Pullen wrote: >Nope, me too. (put it off for a while though 'cause I assumed one of you lot >was buggering around when I recieved the message) >It looks like we have quite a few people here still, though. I just sent a >'who' command to the majordomo server and there are around 70 of us. That can't be right - there are more people subscribed to the DGWW2 list and I think something like that are subscribed to Kurotokage. Probably a lot more people still haven't gotten to their computers to resubscribe... I hope. I have a bad feeling that with the last outage and now this one, we have lost a number of subscribers from DGML. With all respect to Shane and his efforts, I really wish I had voted differently back when there was some movement to move DGML to a Yahoogroups list... we'd have a digest, a complete archive, and probably not these problems. Gil P.S. I don't want to take away any props to Shane Ivey, who's done so much to keep DGML from falling apart. Appreciation is few and far between here, but you've got my thanks, Shane. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Mr. Zero [mrzero@twilite.org] Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 12:06 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Weird, weird On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, David Pullen wrote: } From: "Eckhard Huelshoff" } > Am I the only one that had to resubscribe to DGML!?!? } Nope, me too. (put it off for a while though 'cause I assumed one of you lot same here... sean -- mrzero@twilite.org Homepage: http://www.twilite.org/~mrzero ICQ: 121817936 DG-DarkTide: http://brsp.net/~mrzero "Scotch, straight up, no xeno-linguistic virus. Please." _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 5:30 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: The world's funniest joke http://www.nature.com/nsu/010906/010906-17.html The search is on for the funniest joke in the world. A year from now, when thousands of contenders have given way to the single greatest side-splitter, scientists hope to have learned something fundamental about the difference between an hilarious joke and a groaner. Laugh Lab, an online humour experiment, was launched on Wednesday at the British Association for the Advancement of Science's annual meeting in Glasgow. It will be the largest-ever look at the psychology of humour, say its creators. No, it's not Monty Python, but apparently a serious scientific study. Wierd. The Glove Cleaner (Just got back from three days off) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 6:05 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] [OT] Re: The world's funniest joke > Laugh Lab, an online humour experiment, was launched on Wednesday at the > British Association for the Advancement of Science's annual meeting in > Glasgow. It will be the largest-ever look at the psychology of humour, say > its creators. > No, it's not Monty Python, but apparently a serious scientific study. > Wierd. Has the Ministry of Funny Walks been notified yet? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 8:34 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: The world's funniest joke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Robertson" > Laugh Lab, an online humour experiment, was launched on Wednesday at the > British Association for the Advancement of Science's annual meeting in > Glasgow. It will be the largest-ever look at the psychology of humour, say > its creators. This could have some DG relevance. OK, we're back to why the Mi-Go hang around so near the Endtimes to study something unique about our mental processes. You can make a good case for humor being at least a part of what makes humans special. They are looking for non-linear thought processes and humor fits the bill nicely. Even puns would probably give Mi-Go the shits and blind staggers. I'm trying to imagine breaking down what I find amusing in an episode of Mystery Science Theater 3000 for analysis. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 2:34 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: Mi-Go internet naughtiness ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Lizard King" > You can make a good case for humor being at least a part of what makes > humans special. They are looking for non-linear thought processes and humor > fits the bill nicely. You can, indeed. Tie that in with the Nightmare Project I reported a week or so back http://www.nightmareproject.com/ and you have the launching pad for an immense amount of internet-based Mi-Go naughtiness. Notice: it starts with nightmares and humour(**). But I think the heads-up here is that both these projects depend on the participation of innocently, naturally, incontinently, creative human beings, the great resource freed by the Internet. (*) What will the Mi-Go do with that resource? What comes next? The Glove Cleaner (*) A commercially unexploitable resource, alas, which is ultimately why the stock market is tanking. He he he. But back on subject. (**) PS. Humor or humour I don't care. Spelling thread VERBOTEN _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nerva Vels [nerva.ramos@verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 12:31 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] killing sprees http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010909/ts/crime_guard_dc_1.html What's up with Sacramento??? hrm... nana nervy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 5:37 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] killing sprees ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nerva Vels" > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010909/ts/crime_guard_dc_1.html > > What's up with Sacramento??? You refer to the earlier spree by the Ukranian immigrant? Or has that already gone onlist? http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_393724.html The Glove Cleaner ((listbot buggered again, guys? sigh)) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 5:31 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] killing sprees ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nerva Vels" To: Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 6:30 PM Subject: [DG] killing sprees > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010909/ts/crime_guard_dc_1.html > > What's up with Sacramento??? > > hrm... > > nana nervy > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > > > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bryan Fennell [bryan.fennell@uleth.ca] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 9:26 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] killing sprees and the Social Control Program Society is beset by an alarming number of so-called random acts of violence (RAVs or "raves"): workplace shootings, schoolyard massacres, serial and spree killers, violent hold-ups, gang violence (the little gangs, not the Mafia), and so on. Hundreds of people have thousands of theories why these things happen. None of these myriad theories is 100% right or wrong. Social violence is blamed upon disenfranchisement of the white male, relaxed social morals, the gun culture, people's inability to properly handle stress, future shock, the inability to suppress mankind's natural predatory urges, glorification of violence in the media, sun spots, the lunar cycle, environmental stress, cities, population pressure, disparate levels of affluence, and many other things. Were the truth to be known, all of these factors and dozens more probably combine to produce social violence. But what if it was something else altogether? What if the raves weren't random at all? What if each individual rave were but one part of a planned campaign, one more course correction towards some outcome on down the line? Most dark and terrible of all, what if this course, this campaign of terror, were being guided, planned even, by some spectral conspiratorial group, some secret cabal employing this program to accomplish their own ends? This is the Social Control Program, the dreaded SCP. The SCP employs and endless variety of events, including raves, terrorist attacks, riots both racially and politically motivated, high profile crimes, the introduction of drugs into specific areas, kidnapings, and many other things that will get the public's attention. Many of the most shocking things that happen today are the direct result of SCP policy. But why plan, encourage, or even commit these types of crimes? What purpose, what social benefit, can derive from these terrible things? The Social Control Program was conceived by men who felt that society had to be protected, often from itself, and that the best way to protect society was for those who "knew better" to have unrestricted access to every facet of life and license to do whatever they felt they had to. This meant that law enforcement would be justified in any action, with that justification provided by an atmosphere of terror. The public's fear and paranoia would be deliberately heightened, causing the public to demand more comprehensive action from all levels and types of law enforcement bodies. Those law enforcement bodies would be granted essentially unrestricted freedom of action, and would have a mandate to protect society from itself. The SCP as an organization does not exist. It is a set of procedures and policies, never written down, that people above a certain key level are aware of, and which policy is caused to conform to. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bryan Fennell [bryan.fennell@uleth.ca] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 8:49 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Weird, weird Has there ever been any thought to making the DGML a Delphi forum, like the X-Files forum? I've had a lot to do with the Delphi forums, and they seem to work alright. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher (Case Officer)" To: Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: RE: [DG] Weird, weird > < much > to keep DGML from falling apart. Appreciation is few and far between here, > but you've got my thanks, Shane.>> > > Much appreciated, and I regret the inconvenience to everybody. > Unfortunately the host killed majordomo before they asked me about it, so > there wasn't much I could do in this case except work on it after the fact. > > As for yahoo! groups, my only reservation is that delivery can be sporadic > on that system - I've been on several Yahoo! lists and have heard from > people who lost mail on a daily basis. But they have the advantage of a > steadier infrastructure and built-in digests and other goodies, so there are > advantages either way. In any event, the location of the list is ultimately > up to Alphonse, and I'll be happy to help set it up if I can wherever he > recommends. > > Sorry again for the problems. Hopefully this sort of thing won't happen > again. > > - Shane Ivey > > R E V O L U T I O N s f > the revolution in sci-fi > http://revolutionsf.com/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com > [mailto:owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com]On Behalf Of Gil Trevizo > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 10:59 AM > To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com > Subject: Re: [DG] Weird, weird > > > At 02:20 PM 9/8/01 +0100, David Pullen wrote: > >Nope, me too. (put it off for a while though 'cause I assumed one of you > lot > >was buggering around when I recieved the message) > >It looks like we have quite a few people here still, though. I just sent a > >'who' command to the majordomo server and there are around 70 of us. > > That can't be right - there are more people subscribed to the DGWW2 list > and I think something like that are subscribed to Kurotokage. Probably a > lot more people still haven't gotten to their computers to resubscribe... I > hope. I have a bad feeling that with the last outage and now this one, we > have lost a number of subscribers from DGML. With all respect to Shane and > his efforts, I really wish I had voted differently back when there was some > movement to move DGML to a Yahoogroups list... we'd have a digest, a > complete archive, and probably not these problems. > > Gil > > P.S. I don't want to take away any props to Shane Ivey, who's done so much > to keep DGML from falling apart. Appreciation is few and far between here, > but you've got my thanks, Shane. > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 1:11 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] List-member compromised It would seem that a member of this list has had his identity compromised: http://www.theonion.com/onion3731/plan_to_get_laid_fails.html Remain vigilant! J. Edward -- CAMPUS CRUSADE FOR CTHULHU -- Dubai, United Arab Emirates /-----------/---\-----------\ ------------|O O|------------ ------------\VAV/------------ -------------I I------------- "and who knows what depths lay in limitless sand; or what horrors are leashed by a great ebon hand?" - Ialdaloboth >From: "Andy Robertson" >Reply-To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com >To: >Subject: Re: [DG] killing sprees >Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 23:30:57 +0100 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [216.122.162.136] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD6560EE002340043893D87AA288F9B20; Sun, 09 Sep 2001 18:22:56 -0700 >Received: (from revoluti@localhost)by revolutionsf.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id >RAA27734for deltagreen-82778930; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 17:43:59 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from oracle.clara.net (oracle.clara.net [195.8.69.94])by >revolutionsf.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27654for >; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 17:43:39 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from [212.126.134.73] (helo=default)by oracle.clara.net with smtp >(Exim 3.11 #5)id 15gDIV-000MA6-00for deltagreen@revolutionsf.com; Sun, 09 >Sep 2001 23:43:28 +0100 >From owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Sun, 09 Sep 2001 18:23:13 -0700 >Message-ID: <001001c1397f$191c4f00$49867ed4@default> >References: >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 >Sender: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com >Precedence: bulk > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Nerva Vels" >To: >Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 6:30 PM >Subject: [DG] killing sprees > > > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010909/ts/crime_guard_dc_1.html > > > > What's up with Sacramento??? > > > > hrm... > > > > nana nervy > > > > _______________________________________ > > The Delta Green Mailing List > > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ >The Delta Green Mailing List >http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Crossingham, Adam [Adam.Crossingham@markelintl.com] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 11:00 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: [DG] Echoes in the silence Hello? Anyone there? Hello? AFC _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:27 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Echoes in the silence I'm here... had a resubscribe notice from the majordomo... guess something happened this weekend. -----Original Message----- From: Crossingham, Adam [mailto:Adam.Crossingham@markelintl.com] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 12:00 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: [DG] Echoes in the silence Hello? Anyone there? Hello? AFC _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 11:04 AM To: Delta Green Community (E-mail) Subject: [DG] The latest conspiracy at Starbucks Our favorite conspiracy-ridden coffee house has been slightly compromised: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010907/sc/health_starbucks_dc_1.html And you can just bet that it doesn't stop with ephedrine in the Tazo. Next, it'll be Reverb in the Torani. Coming soon to a Starbucks near you: The Hounds of Tindalos Teabags! From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 11:03 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Echoes in the silence On 10 September 2001, "Crossingham, Adam" inquired: >Hello? >Anyone there? >Hello? I'm still here, though running silent after a severe depth-charging yesterday at the hands of corrupt officers of my local SCA Barony...:) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com "The only thing more accurate than incoming enemy fire is incoming _friendly_ fire!" -- Murphy's Rules of Combat Operations _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 1:57 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com; deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] killing sprees At 11:37 PM 9/9/2001 +0100, Andy Robertson wrote: >You refer to the earlier spree by the Ukranian immigrant? Or has that >already gone onlist? A security guard in Sacramento has also recently bugged out and murdered a bunch of folks. Add to that the guy who went on a spree down in Southern California. It must be the mean season in my home state. I plan on using the Ukranian immigrant case as part of a Skoptsi campaign, using the incident to create a scenario that will lead into a flashback scenario using "Dream Factory" from MORTAL COILS, and then finishing up by heading out to Russia to stop a resurgence of the cult in its homeland. Maybe. It's all vaporware at this point. But the Ukranian murders make an excellent Skoptsi connection, and I encourage any keepers interested in the Crimean Cock-Cutting Corps to check out the news archives on it. Gil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:08 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] killing sprees and the Social Control Program But what if the raves were even more than that? What if under the calls for order, a wish for chaos festered? What if the leaders of this organisation where the antithesis of all they pretended to uphold? Wheels within wheels...remember, deception is a right... So I guess there's only one thing left to say: Brother, have you seen the Yellow Sign? Voidchaser, Possibly misreading here(caffine does that) > Society is beset by an alarming number of so-called random acts of violence >(RAVs or "raves"): workplace shootings, schoolyard massacres, serial and >spree killers, violent hold-ups, gang violence (the little gangs, not the >Mafia), and so on. > >Hundreds of people have thousands of theories why these things happen. None >of these myriad theories is 100% right or wrong. Social violence is blamed >upon disenfranchisement of the white male, relaxed social morals, the gun >culture, people's inability to properly handle stress, future shock, the >inability to suppress mankind's natural predatory urges, glorification of >violence in the media, sun spots, the lunar cycle, environmental stress, >cities, population pressure, disparate levels of affluence, and many other >things. Were the truth to be known, all of these factors and dozens more >probably combine to produce social violence. > >But what if it was something else altogether? What if the raves weren't >random at all? What if each individual rave were but one part of a planned >campaign, one more course correction towards some outcome on down the line? > >Most dark and terrible of all, what if this course, this campaign of terror, >were being guided, planned even, by some spectral conspiratorial group, some >secret cabal employing this program to accomplish their own ends? > >This is the Social Control Program, the dreaded SCP. > >The SCP employs and endless variety of events, including raves, terrorist >attacks, riots both racially and politically motivated, high profile crimes, >the introduction of drugs into specific areas, kidnapings, and many other >things that will get the public's attention. Many of the most shocking >things that happen today are the direct result of SCP policy. > >But why plan, encourage, or even commit these types of crimes? What >purpose, what social benefit, can derive from these terrible things? > >The Social Control Program was conceived by men who felt that society had to >be protected, often from itself, and that the best way to protect society >was for those who "knew better" to have unrestricted access to every facet >of life and license to do whatever they felt they had to. This meant that >law enforcement would be justified in any action, with that justification >provided by an atmosphere of terror. The public's fear and paranoia would >be deliberately heightened, causing the public to demand more comprehensive >action from all levels and types of law enforcement bodies. Those law >enforcement bodies would be granted essentially unrestricted freedom of >action, and would have a mandate to protect society from itself. > >The SCP as an organization does not exist. It is a set of procedures and >policies, never written down, that people above a certain key level are >aware of, and which policy is caused to conform to. > -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bryan Fennell [bryan.fennell@uleth.ca] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 2:55 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] killing sprees I was quite surprised to discover that the Skoptsi are real, not just the products of the fevered imaginations at Pagan. Boston Corbett, the soldier who allegedly shot John Wilkes Boothe in the burning barn, was a religious fanatic who had supposedly castrated himself to achieve religious purity. Although imprisoned in an asylum, he escaped without a trace. Corbett has offered up his wedding tackle on the alter of the Russian Skoptsi sect, who were a pagan goddess cult into transvestism here in the mundane reality. "> I plan on using the Ukranian immigrant case as part of a Skoptsi campaign, > using the incident to create a scenario that will lead into a flashback " _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 2:52 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: Depth charges ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Layne" > > I'm still here, though running silent after a severe depth-charging > yesterday at the hands of corrupt officers of my local SCA Barony...:) > I'm still standing, but, yes, the mail server has been buggered again, it's resubscribe tiume. Meanwhile, talking about depth charges, how about http://www.kursksalvage.com/ Also the very cool http://kursk.strana.ru/english/ The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bryan Fennell [bryan.fennell@uleth.ca] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:07 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] killing sprees and the Social Control Program "> But what if the raves were even more than that? What if under the calls for order, a wish for chaos festered?" What is chaos but a different breed of order? "What if the leaders of this organisation where the antithesis of all they pretended to uphold? Wheels within wheels...remember, deception is a right..." Remember, I said that the SCP as an organization doesn't exist. It is a set of procedures and policies, never written down, that people above a certain key level are aware of, and which policy is caused to conform to. The SCP really is smoke. There is no SCP organization you can hunt down and burn through. Its just a set of policies, a set of things that people are supposed to do. Very few know why, and even fewer question the policies. This is the problem I have always had with Majestic 12. The key people in Majestic 12 have names and stats. One can conclude from those that, at some point, the PCs are supposed to encounter them, and, as the idiots in the old Dungeons and Dragons game I used to play would say "If they got stats, we can kill 'em." If Majestic 12 is really supposed to be this hovering threat, always present and never defeatable, then the principles shouldn't have names or stats. Key figures, like Lepus and Yrjo should, but you should never be able to see the heads of the serpents to chop them off. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of John Daly [jdaly_iv@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:30 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: The world's funniest joke And all I can think about is the Monty Python Skit. John --- The Lizard King wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Robertson" > > > Laugh Lab, an online humour experiment, was > launched on Wednesday at the > > British Association for the Advancement of > Science's annual meeting in > > Glasgow. It will be the largest-ever look at the > psychology of humour, say > > its creators. > > This could have some DG relevance. > > OK, we're back to why the Mi-Go hang around so near > the Endtimes to study > something unique about our mental processes. > > You can make a good case for humor being at least a > part of what makes > humans special. They are looking for non-linear > thought processes and humor > fits the bill nicely. Even puns would probably give > Mi-Go the shits and > blind staggers. I'm trying to imagine breaking down > what I find amusing in > an episode of Mystery Science Theater 3000 for > analysis. > > Mark McFadden > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Rodemaker [dar@horusinc.com] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:36 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Echoes in the silence > Hello? > Anyone there? > Hello? No. There's nobody here at all. Nothing to see here, move along. David _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:43 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] DG: Azathoth Located? Folks, NASA may have detected Azathoth, cleverly disguised as a huge black hole! This message was passed on to me by Agent STOBOR, and I thought some on the List might find it interesting! Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com >Hi! >I thought you'd be interested in this story from Science@NASA: > >NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory has spotted a curious outburst from our >galaxy's core -- a sign that the Milky Way's central black hole may be >snacking on its neighbors. > http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast05sep_1.htm?friend >(or > >Black Hole Snacks .) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Chris Womack [jcwomack@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:50 AM To: deltagreen revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Weird, weird Bryan, we've been through this before. And by "this" I mean you suggesting we move the list to a forum, and then a stridently vocal majority of the list telling you exactly where you can stick your forums. Folks belong to the list *because they prefer a list format*. If you want to start a DG forum somewhere, by all means do so. (In fact, that's what I thought you'd done the last time you disappeared from the list.) You can even advertise it here. Mebbe some of these folks will come check it out--or not. But don't expect the suggestion that the list actually be *replaced* by such rubbish to be met with any warmth whatever. Don't pretend you don't remember, and *don't* make the same stupid suggestions over and over again. C Chris Womack jcwomack@earthlink.net Keeper of the DGML (Ret'd.); COOF #0 on 9/9/01 8:48 PM, Bryan Fennell at bryan.fennell@uleth.ca wrote: > Has there ever been any thought to making the DGML a Delphi forum, like the > X-Files forum? I've had a lot to do with the Delphi forums, and they seem > to work alright. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 5:25 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG: Azathoth Located? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Layne" Azathoth Shmazathoth. It's just a piddling little 2.5-million-sol-mass black hole. http://www.nature.com/nature/links/010906/010906-1.html > > NASA may have detected Azathoth, cleverly disguised as a huge black > hole! > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Laurel Halbany [mythago@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 2:45 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] OTOH...killing sprees > > Society is beset by an alarming number of so-called random acts of violence > >(RAVs or "raves"): Technically there isn't an increase or a really large number of these, but information and the speed thereof is much faster and more widespread than it used to be. The lightning spread of knowledge itself, of course, could be part of the evil one's plan... ----- Most of her is honey-pale And all of her is snake. --Stephen Vincent Benet, "For All Blasphemers" _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:42 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] killing sprees and the Social Control Program ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Fennell" > "> But what if the raves were even more than that? What if under the calls > for order, a wish for chaos festered?" > > What is chaos but a different breed of order? > > "What if the leaders of this organisation where the antithesis of all they > pretended to uphold? Wheels within wheels...remember, deception is a > right..." 1) This SCP idea is, essentially, that there are illuminati who provoke violence in order to destabilise society and concentrate power in their puppet-agencies. 2) But if what voidchaser is here is correct, then you have to "put quotes" round this. 3) I put it to you that one of the corrosive memes the real Illuminati are spreading is that There is a group of illuminati called the SCP who provoke violence in order to destabilise society and concentrate power in their puppet-agencies. 4) And that perhaps the real illuminati provoke violence simply out of joy and hate. 5) And that perhaps the idea that "there is an SCP whose sinister message must be resisted" is their most powerful and useful "meta-message" - an enslaving instruction which hides itself one layer deep under the cloak of rebellion and independence. Perhaps society needs *more* order, more restraint, more hierarchy, to resist the Endtimes: (it ain't a cool idea: but is it a true idea?) Perhaps by making the most creative and influential people rage against that, the Destroyers are teasing us into doing their own work? The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Til Eulenspiegel [duggerj1@home.com] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 6:13 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Life Imitates Art...Bell, That Is. Monday, 10 September 2001 Hello all, As long-time readers know (and COOFs despair) I listen to Art Bell's radio and internet show. I just returned from England, and while catching up on my mail I heard shows that referred to these images of crop glyphs. http://www.artbell.com/hoagland3.html (Several pages, great images, awesome props!) While I didn't have any chance to see this particular crop glyph pair, I did visit a crop circle on a trip to England in July. The close-ups do crop circles justice. They really do have braided plant stalks like that. Another fine detail to use in your games: fields in England tend to be muddy. The soil really clumps onto your shoes and boots. Details collect, and their accretion builds verisimilitude. Once you have realism, then you whack PCs with the supernatural. ObDG: Oh, come on. A crop circle that looks like the Face on Mars? Another one that looks like a SETI broadcast? Just in case you really are that helpless, blame the Pineapple in Black and the Shan possessing it. (Not Mr. Squick, though. This is a family show.) ------ Til Eulenspiegel: til_e@hotmail.com I once had a witty quote; now I have a job. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bryan Fennell [bryan.fennell@uleth.ca] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 6:27 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Weird, weird Whoah, settle down. I was just asking. Evidently, its not a popular idea, so lets just leave it at that. All I was saying is that the Delphi forums SEEM to work well, and MIGHT be seen as a viable alternative. Apparently, they aren't seen as such an alternative, so that's all that has to be said about it. And actually Chris, in utter, complete honesty, I don't remember any dialogue on this topic before. > Bryan, we've been through this before. And by "this" I mean you suggesting > we move the list to a forum, and then a stridently vocal majority of the > list telling you exactly where you can stick your forums. Folks belong to > the list *because they prefer a list format*. If you want to start a DG > forum somewhere, by all means do so. (In fact, that's what I thought you'd > done the last time you disappeared from the list.) You can even advertise it > here. Mebbe some of these folks will come check it out--or not. But don't > expect the suggestion that the list actually be *replaced* by such rubbish > to be met with any warmth whatever. > > Don't pretend you don't remember, and *don't* make the same stupid > suggestions over and over again. > > C > > Chris Womack > jcwomack@earthlink.net > Keeper of the DGML (Ret'd.); COOF #0 > > > > on 9/9/01 8:48 PM, Bryan Fennell at bryan.fennell@uleth.ca wrote: > > > Has there ever been any thought to making the DGML a Delphi forum, like the > > X-Files forum? I've had a lot to do with the Delphi forums, and they seem > > to work alright. > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 6:35 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] killing sprees and the Social Control Program ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Robertson" > 5) And that perhaps the idea that "there is an SCP whose sinister message > must be resisted" is their most powerful and useful "meta-message" - an > enslaving instruction which hides itself one layer deep under the cloak of > rebellion and independence. > > > Perhaps society needs *more* order, more restraint, more hierarchy, to > resist the Endtimes: (it ain't a cool idea: but is it a true idea?) We can play dueling history here, but I am honestly asking when more order, restraint and hierarchy has been a good thing for the majority of humans. Maybe my view is Americentric and I'm buying in to the hype, but history seems to indicate that most of the significant advances in science and technology (and politics and art and yada yada) come from unorthodox thinkers and people outside of the hierarchies. Actually, you'd have me if you had left hierarchies off your list. I don't have many problems with order or restraint but I have yet to see the benefits of hierarchies, which seem to be all about restraining everyone else to the vision of order at the tippy top of the pyramid. From what I've seen of the RW hierarchies are the parasitic load that has to be carried along to make some progress, not the architects of progress. Hierarchies are all about maintaining the hierarchy with the "mission" merely a secondary consideration. But maybe I've had more experience with the SNAFU Principle in action. As for an SCP, sure, why not? Conspiracy theory doesn't have to be literally true to be useful. There doesn't have to actually be a smoke-filled room full of pudgy old white men running the show if you pretend they are there and speculate accordingly. Using the Evil Old White Men model you can predict the outcomes of elections, economic trends, the passage of laws and the frequency of wars over nothing that you give a shit about. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 8:51 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] killing sprees On 10 September, 2001, Gil Trevizo wrote: >>At 11:37 PM 9/9/2001 +0100, Andy Robertson wrote: >>You refer to the earlier spree by the Ukranian immigrant? Or has that >>already gone onlist? > >A security guard in Sacramento has also recently bugged out and murdered a >bunch of folks. Add to that the guy who went on a spree down in Southern >California. It must be the mean season in my home state. That, or one of the Mad Scientists who has set up shop in Silicon Valley is actually a member of the Society for Creative Paranoia (SCP), and is testing his latest invention! "This will go over well at the Mad Scientist's Convention! It can turn anybody I hit with the ray into a homicidal raving maniac!" "But this is California, Master! How can you tell if it works?" "Silence, Igor! I'll handle the inventions, you handle the shambling about! (a) HAHAHAHAHA! (b) They said I was crazy! But they said Copernicus was crazy! They said Hawking was crazy! They said Howard Carter was crazy! They said Uncle Kenny was crazy!" "I think they were right about Uncle Kenny, Master..." "Silence, Igor!" a. Union Rules and all that... b. The Mad Scientist Laugh taught in Maniacal Laughter, one of the 200-level courses at the Mad Scientist Academy. Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:42 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: Depth charges On 10 September 2001, Glove Cleaner "Andy Robertson" wrote: >I'm still standing, but, yes, the mail server has been buggered again, it's >resubscribe tiume. Hope this isn't a monthly thing... (Beginning of month: Pay rent & bills, buy groceries, resubscribe to DGML...):) > >Meanwhile, talking about depth charges, how about >http://www.kursksalvage.com/ > >Also the very cool http://kursk.strana.ru/english/ Now there are a couple that even I didn't find! Thanks! The "Kursk" continues to be useful as a setting or scenery for DG ops! While it's now "Raise the Kursk!" (the new Dirk Pitt novel?):), that doesn't prevent the GUSM (Giant Under Sea Monster) that bumped into the "Kursk", prompting the launch of the defective torpedo and soon afterlaunching the "most heavily armed rescue force in recent history"... or the Russian cabal which sabotaged the sub to sink the SV-8 agents who were too close to the Admiral's side operation (nuclear subs sold to the Karotechia?)... or Agent DARREN and his team covertly checking out the wreck (gotta do something about these pesky Deep Ones)... or all of the above! Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Ethan Butterfield [primus@veris.org] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 6:34 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Weird, weird -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 05:27:08PM -0600, Bryan Fennell wrote: > Whoah, settle down. I was just asking. Evidently, its not a popular idea, > so lets just leave it at that. All I was saying is that the Delphi forums > SEEM to work well, and MIGHT be seen as a viable alternative. Apparently, > they aren't seen as such an alternative, so that's all that has to be said > about it. And actually Chris, in utter, complete honesty, I don't remember > any dialogue on this topic before. Discussion of a list migration to a web-based forum seems to have a period of about 12 months. Whether or not it's undamped, heavily damped, or critically damped is left as an exercise to the reader.[1] [1] ObPhysicsJoke. - -- "And as things fell apart, nobody paid much attention." - Talking Heads, "(Nothing But) Flowers" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7nU3sAmwSMwnpLHgRAlHfAKC45PBNUchgbuVFmFdaZolSllqamQCg3c2u X9fApRsEyrQ8K8ua1s2XyTo= =yVj9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/