From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:08 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers Deepest sympathy, friends. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Robert Thomas [ThomasR@Cardiff.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:30 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] DG: New York Related Hello All, BBC is reporting that Iraq has shot down an American spy plane over the Southern No Fly Zone: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1537000/1537128.stm thoughts are with you guys in the US. Rob. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jussi Marttila [velcrokf@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:33 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers >On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Davide Mana wrote: > > > Two planes crashed into the Twin Towers in New York City. > > > > What the hell's happening out there?! > Just got home from watching NBC. Seems like the End Times are coming down. The rumor mill is running wild, and this isn't over by far. My sympathy for all American listmembers. Jussi, feeling dumb after seeing that MiB quote in the light of what has happened now _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nerva Vels [nerva.ramos@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:50 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers I'm sorry for continuing the thread, everyone's watching, and we're all taking in the tragedy. Wanted to check in; New York here, we're in a state of shock and personally I've lost friends in both buildings, as well as my already rather feeble security. nana nervy grieving and mad as hell _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:14 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] The mechanics of the day Hopefully I will avoid anything resembling 'news', and deal more with real world mechanics of what has occured. Personally, I would find any mention of the day's events in a DG related scenario/campaign distasteful, but to each their own. However, today was a nice reminder of what can occur. Being an Americano, I should like to point out what today's experience was like for myself. I am currently residing near the middle of nowhere -- I once got lost an hour from here, and found a state road dead ending in a corn field. I kid you not. My personal fear level sits at about zero. My parents are both employees in the District of Columbia. When I woke up, every radio station was news (I did not bother to check, but it seems ABC news and Peter Jennings are dominating the rebroadcasting -- the only other voices I heard were local personalities recaping). I am not exaggerating. Every radio station. Nothing has occured for a good distance from here, and I am saturated with the goings on. Have been for hours. The news outlets, after feeding us, are quick to point out they are reporting fragments as they get them, and are prone to revision -- this reeks to me of GWB's scolding remarks election night ("You called the election too early!"). To hell with my day, I attempted to contact my family. I will leave the details out, but I have gotten either a) no answer or b) circuits full. I suspect that B will be far more common in the areas... I at least get to dial. No need for sympathies, the odds are against my parents being at target locations... so far. Walking around, every TV is displaying news. Events are cancelled, people are, by and large, standing transfixed. Clusters of people where ordinarily there'd be none. A friend of mine, last night, placed a stock order. He's a penny stock investor (by and small, I suppose). Stocks that are worth fractions of a dollar, and may not be around the next day. They can easily move to twice their value, hence the allure. He's fumbling around for an internet connection to check on his order, and perhaps cancel it. Going on with internet access, the fone lines around here have rarely been cooperative, but now they are being down right disgusting in terms of my connectivity. I've redialed a number of times while typing this e-mail. Oh, yes. On the news they recently interviewed a general, who had been a NATO commander, or something of this nature. I was definately thinking spin control, and how he was presenting a calm, cool, collected demeanour. He answered some questions, he stated his lack of knowledge on others, and generally was the big dad image to reassure we the american people that yes, everything will be okay. Let's see. Tom Clancy was interviewed by, I think, Peter Jennings. Maybe everyone on the news seems to be Peter Jennings. Love Clancy or hate him (and I have strong suspecions as to which is more popular on this list...), he didn't leap up and down and this that or the other. Jennings was the one to mention a scenario similar to the events of the day was in one of Clancy's books, Clancy said noone would have suspected an event on this scale (he only had one plane). There seems to be some eagerness to hop up and down and point at Islam. Clancy was eager to point out that Islam holds the same tenets as Judaism and Christianity, there's a loving God and the whole nine yards, and madmen of any group are not representative of the group -- they're madmen, and that's it. Speaking of eagerness to hop up and down, the news outlets seem to be pointing more and more towards ?Osama? Bin Laden *sp*, despite the fact that there's just no information at the moment. Jennings has pointed out that Bin Laden's orginization often acts more like a foundation then as the impliment itself. What else... okay, I broke my promise, this is all resembling news. But it still fits in with mechanics. Large scale terrorism and suddenly OSL is the boogeyman. Hopefully this information will help set some ambiance in the event anyone wishes a DG scenario to have some chaos in it. Hopefully this sort of noise will be relegated to fiction. =/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Chris Womack [jcwomack@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:13 PM To: deltagreen revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers on 9/11/01 11:49 AM, Nerva Vels at nerva.ramos@verizon.net wrote: > > I'm sorry for continuing the thread, everyone's watching, and we're all > taking in the tragedy. Wanted to check in; New York here, we're in a state > of shock and personally I've lost friends in both buildings, as well as my > already rather feeble security. Nerva--I'm greatly relieved to hear that you're safe, as are we all, I have no doubt. Bill, Rob, et al.--I apologize if you feel that I overstepped my bounds as just another listmember with my previous request. C Chris Womack jcwomack@earthlink.net Keeper of the DGML (Ret'd.) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Tal Meta [talmeta@cybercomm.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers Bill Nichols wrote: > > Does anyone doubt what the U.S. will do now? > Only more blood, suffering and pain will follow > from this. No good for anyone, no good at all. I think we can count on the world realizing that the proverbial 'sleeping giant' is now wide awake, and reaching for his club. Damn. -- talmeta@cybercomm.net - Heretic, Dilettante, & God-Machine AIM - talmeta ICQ - 12594453 Homepage - Everything that you know is wrong, but you can be straightened out. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:18 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers > > Does anyone doubt what the U.S. will do now? > > Only more blood, suffering and pain will follow > > from this. No good for anyone, no good at all. > I think we can count on the world realizing that the proverbial > 'sleeping giant' is now wide awake, and reaching for his club. Damn. This morning, when I heard the news, I felt like enlisting. I wanted a smouldering hole in the ground somewhere. *shrug* _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:22 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Twin Towers I can't see any response other than 'unrestrained action' no one that I've talked to today wants a trial. they're looking for heads on sticks. nothing the us government does will be 'over the top' in the eyes of the public at large. those of us with relatives in the area are still wondering if they're ok. -----Original Message----- From: Tal Meta [mailto:talmeta@cybercomm.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers Bill Nichols wrote: > > Does anyone doubt what the U.S. will do now? > Only more blood, suffering and pain will follow > from this. No good for anyone, no good at all. I think we can count on the world realizing that the proverbial 'sleeping giant' is now wide awake, and reaching for his club. Damn. -- talmeta@cybercomm.net - Heretic, Dilettante, & God-Machine AIM - talmeta ICQ - 12594453 Homepage - Everything that you know is wrong, but you can be straightened out. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:27 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers I did some searching to see what else happened on September 11th. Since the Oklahoma City bombing was on the anniversary of Waco and terrorism is all about symbolism, I thought there might be some correlations. All I've found so far is this is the anniversary of the military coup in Chile and the subsequent death of Salvador Allende. http://www.historychannel.com/thisday/ Of course, that ugly little chapter in history isn't one of the prouder moments in America's past. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Ethan Butterfield [primus@veris.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:29 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 12:27:02PM -0700, The Lizard King wrote: > All I've found so far is this is the anniversary of the military coup in > Chile and the subsequent death of Salvador Allende. > 1978 - The Camp David peace accords brokered by Jimmy Carter. 1991 - The beginning of Desert Storm. - -- "And as things fell apart, nobody paid much attention." - Talking Heads, "(Nothing But) Flowers" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7nmX9AmwSMwnpLHgRAl6bAKCNGfHIeFPIr0S0XqDbY8/C4FW5HwCdES2z HQaalIRMpm2bGb7H2TAFfEI= =HGue -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:30 PM To: 'Delta Green Community (E-mail) ' Subject: [DG] Exactly 1000 words about Kaiser Permanente I just finished searching the Ice Cave to find out what kinds of horrid conspiracies the whacked minds on this list have attributed to Kaiser Permanente, one of (if not THE) largest "chain" of hospitals in the world. Imagine my surprise that it isn't ever mentioned, even once! (At least it doesn't come up in the searches I did.) Here's a group with access to medical records to literally millions of people as well as the patients themselves. Hospitals ALL OVER the place that have a common hierarchy and thus via powerful people at the top. And yet they aren't involved in any way? I don't think so. Here's my take, for a campaign that I'm planning on starting in a few months. I'd love to hear of anybody else has used Kaiser Permanente for other things in their games. I'd also love to hear of any improvements to my own stuff that people might have. This is going to have some spoilers, so I guess I'd better add the space... f u n g i s p o i l e r s Majestic-12 isn't the only organization in contact with the Mi-Go, though they think they are. Knowing that the endtimes are fast approaching, the Mi-Go have actually worked a few different contact methods in parallel in order to be able to collect more data faster. In 1982 the Mi-Go directly contacted some officials at the fast growing hospital chain Kaiser Permanente and enticed them with medical technology. In return for this, certain doctors saw to it that the Mi-Go were granted access to many new born babies during the first day or two of their lives. The Mi-Go were whisking the infants away to a facility in San Francisco where they would place implants into the infants' brains, and then quickly return them. The plan was that information recorded from the brain into these implants during the formative years would provide insight into the workings of the human mind. The implants were designed to be left in place for eighteen years after which time the now grown person would feel compelled to return to the place where the implant was inserted so that it could be removed. These implants were administered over a five-year period to thousands of infants. Unavoidably, many of the implant carriers have become victims of the normal mortality rate. A few others have had head trauma sufficient to disable the devices. But most are still alive and well with working implants still in their heads. Those people are now beginning to feel a compulsion to return, like spawning salmon, to the place they received the implant - San Francisco. Unfortunately, the facility no longer exists. For reasons unknown to us, the Mi-Go lost interest in this project. Perhaps they realized that the data on the implant was going to be non-useful for some reason. Perhaps they had more important things to keep track of and erased the memory of the implants from their minds to make room. Whatever the reason, the humans are still drawn to San Francisco with no idea why they want to be there. Communication between the Mi-Go and Kaiser has been cut off. Those in the know at Kaiser have mixed feelings about that. They knew they were playing with fire and are glad to have ostensibly escaped without being burned. On the other hand, they do miss the donations from their most powerful benefactors. In the meantime, the homeless problem will increase as more and more people arrive with nothing but the clothes on their backs. Having achieved their final goal by arriving in the city, they will be content to do nothing but wait for whatever grand event drew them here. An event that will never happen. Their listlessness will affect the city. San Francisco, already in the throes of a terrible decline from its glory days, will become more and more a ghost of it's former self. Eventually, months, years, or even decades from now, the Phantom of Truth will appear and make his assessment. And then San Francisco will be consumed by Carcosa. All because some management types at Kaiser thought it'd be nice to have an edge. One of the high-ranking doctors at Kaiser caught the attention of Outlook a few years ago when he introduced a new invention that those at Outlook recognized as one that they'd been using for some time and that had been given to them by the Greys. Outlook arranged to kidnap the doctor and interrogate him. Using their stress simulation environments, they were able to learn from him that indeed Kaiser had been in contact with an alien race and that they had given lots of babies over to that race temporarily. They didn't make the connection, though, between the Greys and the Mi-Go. With their incomplete information, they contacted some of the other Kaiser officials who were involved and threatened them with exposure. They blackmailed the officials, basically, into turning Kaiser into an Outlook extension. Most of what Kaiser does is the perfectly normal stuff they've been doing for decades. However, when Outlook needs access to a patient for whatever reason, they are given it without question. Pity the compromised Delta Green agent who wakes up after a firefight and finds himself in a Kaiser emergency room. Outlook has arranged to have many of it's own staff put in place in every Kaiser hospital. These plants are the real power behind the dark things that go on their. They are hospital administrators, nursing managers, doctors. And they keep the rest of the employees and doctors in the dark. When there is an internal investigation of the hospitals, Outlook arranges to have it carried out by it's own people. Thus, nothing is ever found. Kaiser has sunk so deep into Outlook's power, that they have become little more than a front for them. So that's what I've got. What've YOU got? Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:21 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers - 911? My initial take is that it's a response to the US walking out of the UN "conference on racism". However I note september 11 = 9-11 911? Might indicate domestic involvement, but it's probably just a coincidence. The Glove Cleaner ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Lizard King" > I did some searching to see what else happened on September 11th. Since the > Oklahoma City bombing was on the anniversary of Waco and terrorism is all > about symbolism, I thought there might be some correlations. > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nerva Vels [nerva.ramos@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:37 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The mechanics of the day A few things: the law firm I used to work for represented family of bin Laden; I'm fearful for my friends there - in the lower Manhattan portion of New York, and all phonelines there are dead. I wish I could bring out that IT IS NOT a religious thing, please don't blame the islamics! I was islamic and they are by and large NOT of this mindset. this is the act of people beyond respecting life and innocence. These are people touched by a terrible darkness. new york as you can guess is paralyzed. the skyline will never ever be the same. icons of the seventies that represented to me the future of our fair city is gone; it is a scar that will exist in our lives, memories, and our self-perception for decades to come. and yes, even in this, I can add a ObDG: tying this in with the horrors of the random acts of violence on the other side of the continent, we're seeing the gradual destruction of the sense of security people rely on to protect them from the world at large. We, when we game, often don't get the magnitude of the horror that would be The Endtimes. an aside; on my police scanner, I heard the screams of a female police officer as the floors collapsed at One World Trade Center. She was on the second floor. And then, "officer down" and utter mayhem. okay, I'll shut up now. but it is understandable and healthy to channel the emotions of this day into terms we can deal with, it is not blasphemous to put it in game terms. But pray for the lost souls today, and the loss of security and innocence we americans seemed loathe to shed. nana nervy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Arjun Roy [karna1819@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:04 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Twin Towers Hello from NYC, ladies and gentlemen. As I write this, Towers One and Two of the World Trade Center are in shambles. There's limited intra-city public transport available, most tunnels and bridges in/out of the city are closed. I live literally two blocks from the WTC, so I count myself lucky. Oh god. I am stunned. NO, this is beyond that. Beyond words. At first this all seemed too surreal to be happening. My mom saw both planes crash, and had to walk back here from the CitiBank Building, since it was closed down. My dad was supposed to be at a meeting with Merril-Lynch at the WTC, and I haven't heard from him yet. All our newscasters are in shock, and you can bet the rest of us are, too. No matter what the repercussions are, the heroism shown by the New York City Emergency Services departments, all the policemen and firefighters, and EMTs, was and is amazing. The FDNY and NYPD have had so much loss in life that the mayor can't bring himself to release the statistics yet. I feel like I'm in shock right now. I guess the country had it coming for awhile now, but this is still a horrific, monstrous event. And ground zero is not the place to be. It's seven hours since the beginning of the worst attack on mainland America in our history. One section of the Pentagon's collapsed. BOTH WTC towers are just gone. Just like that. It just hurts so badly right now. Thanks for your concern, it's good to hear that the rest of the world is still out there. And Nervy, drop me a line, will you? Same goes for anybody else from NYC on the list. Arjun Roy in shock > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:15 AM > To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com > Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers > > > From: > > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Davide Mana wrote: > > > Two planes crashed into the Twin Towers in New York City. > > > What the hell's happening out there?! > > > > And the Pentagon too apparently. > > From Rob Shankley and myself, our sympathies go out to our > American list > > members. > > > Nervy and all others in NYC and DC--are you OK? Report in. > > Dave > stunned > > This...is going to get much worse before it's over. And not just for > America. Oh...hell. PS: I agree with Dave. We're all going to hell in a handbasket. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:09 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers - 911? Fort Henry September 11, 1782 "The last battle of the American Revolution" Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:33 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers Holy Jesus Christ. I'm sure e list members feel deeply for you and your frinds...Dammit, I'm a f***ing English student and I can't think of any goddamn words that are enough!!! I guess *someone* may have been worried about the Bush administrations foreign policy and outlook in general..- the nerve and sense of necessity(for the terrorists) that this must have taken...I can't see that they'd have thought it necessary under a more liberal(?) leader. Or maybe someone wanted to show how ridiculous the whole missle defense system was... This is me trying to be objective - I'm deeply sorry for anyone who's lost friends in all this, while I sit safely in London and gaze impotently at my TV screen, and I don't know what else I can say. I'm really hoping that no-one I know was hurt or worse and I'm quite a way away so I don't know a bloody thing. Finally, this is all BBC is giving for anyone who for whatever reason isn't getting coverage: Trade Towers collapsed 1 side of the Pentagon collapsed Another plane down near Pennsylvania Fighter jets in the air over Washington All planes grounded Hundreds dead (Also, a BBC correspondent who was reporting on it may be dead, but that's unconfirmed) Dammit. What a day to get off school early and see the first bulletins. I shudder to think who could have done this. I guess the End-Times must truly be upon us. Voidchaser, still stunned. > I'm sorry for continuing the thread, everyone's watching, and we're all >taking in the tragedy. Wanted to check in; New York here, we're in a state >of shock and personally I've lost friends in both buildings, as well as my >already rather feeble security. > >nana nervy >grieving and mad as hell > -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of PM [mermoud@easynet.fr] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:32 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers >1991 - The beginning of Desert Storm. Desert Storm began early 1991 (January IIRC but it may have been early Feb) Desert Shield may have began in Sept 1990. Not sure about that. ============================================= Patrice Mermoud mermoud@easynet.fr ============================================= _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Rodemaker [dar@horusinc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:55 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Twin Towers NPR reported earlier today that one of the Bin Laden bombers was going to be sentenced tomorrow in Manhattan. David > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com > [mailto:owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com]On Behalf Of The Lizard King > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:27 PM > To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com > Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers > > > I did some searching to see what else happened on September > 11th. Since the > Oklahoma City bombing was on the anniversary of Waco and terrorism is all > about symbolism, I thought there might be some correlations. > > All I've found so far is this is the anniversary of the military coup in > Chile and the subsequent death of Salvador Allende. > > http://www.historychannel.com/thisday/ > > Of course, that ugly little chapter in history isn't one of the prouder > moments in America's past. > > Mark McFadden > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:04 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The mechanics of the day From: Nerva Vels >and yes, even in this, I can add a ObDG: tying this in with the horrors of >the random acts of violence on the other side of the continent, we're seeing >the gradual destruction of the sense of security people rely on to protect >them from the world at large. We, when we game, often don't get the >magnitude of the horror that would be The Endtimes. I need to view this through the eyes of Delta Green. I simply can't help noticing how this horrific event has all the earmarks of a Karotechia's Mass Sacrifice: Terrorism, Arab Bauer, seemingly impossible seizure of commercial aircraft (easily accomplished through sorcery), massive loss of innocent life. And what of the Fate? Did Stephan Alzis die (again) in the World Trade Center collapse? Was the Fate complicit in the event, poised to take financial and political advantage of the situation? Or was the Karotechia lashing out at the Fate due to some falling out between the two groups? And now as I write this it appears that there are explosions in Kabul, Afganistan... The Man in Black is : hoping it won't go nuclear. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Marc J Cassell [nekonube2k@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:37 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Pentagon bombing Wanted to chime in that there were a few more devlopements The hit on the pentagon was a miss if they had hit the center it would have taken down the whole building. The building is still burning and the fire is spreading. The car bomb outside the state deparment was false. There was no car bomb there. And there were just explosions in Afganastan America is claming not to be responsable for them. In DC and OK Iceweb ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:50 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Fw: Sobran column, The Unknown Enemy, 9/11/01 This column, from a fairly well known conservative commentator, struck me as containing so much sense that I am forwarding it to the list. " The United States is now a global empire that wants to think of itself as a universal benefactor, and is nonplussed when foreigners don't see it that way." I don't know if this is the start of the EndTimes, but it strikes me that it might be the beginning of an unashemed move towards Imperial America. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Griffin Internet Syndicate" > The Unknown Enemy > September 11, 2001 by Joe Sobran [The usual two-week embargo on Joe Sobran's columns is lifted for this column. You may distribute or disseminate it if you will use the following disclaimer: Subscribe to the Sobran column. See http://www.sobran.com/e-mail.shtml or http://www.griffnews.com for details and samples or call 800-513-5053 or write fran@griffnews.com. Copyright (c) 2001 by the Griffin Internet Syndicate, www.griffnews.com. All rights reserved.] [Breaker quote: Why should anyone want to hurt us?] It was predictable. For years I've been writing that the U.S. Government has been making more enemies than Americans really need, all over the globe, and that one of these days some of them would have a nasty surprise for us. In fact it nearly happened a few years ago, when Islamic radicals tried to blow up the World Trade Center. But of course they made a botch of it and got caught. This time, though, someone pulled off what must have been an extremely cunning conspiracy, a criminal feat for the ages. They managed to execute a secret plan calling for four simultaneous hijackings of airplanes. Those who committed these coordinated deeds -- in spite of all security measures -- also had the determination to die in hitting their targets. This wasn't "terrorism." This was war. It wasn't a random attempt to scare people with an arbitrary atrocity, like the bombing of a pizza joint; it was a serious attempt to kill as many people and do as much material damage as possible at two strategic targets, the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. But, as I write, hours after the attacks, we don't know who is at war with us. We may never know. Who has reason to hate this country? Only a few hundred million people -- Arabs, Muslims, Serbs, and numerous others whose countries have been hit by U.S. bombers. Imagine hating a country so much that you were willing to cross an ocean and carry out an elaborate revenge against its people, killing yourself in the process. This is something far more than the sort of ideological anti-Americanism that leads student mobs to throw stones at U.S. embassies abroad; that's kid stuff. This is an obsessive, fanatical, soul-consuming hatred. Foreigners aren't quite real to Americans, and most Americans are unaware of how profoundly their government antagonizes much of the human race. We are easy-going people who generally have no idea how bullying we seem to foreigners. Until now, we have had no experience of what the U.S. Government has so often inflicted on others. Now, at least, we have an inkling of what it feels like. Government spokesmen have responded with their usual cant of "cowardly attacks" by "terrorists" who "hate democracy and freedom." Rubbish. A fanatic who is ready to die is the opposite of a coward, and nobody can "hate" such abstractions as "democracy and freedom" with that kind of intensity. It's dangerous to belittle your enemy, especially when his courage and cunning have already proved as formidable as his hatred and cruelty. The first question you should ask about your enemy is why he is your enemy in the first place. You may be deluding and flattering yourself if you assume he hates you for your virtues. But our "leaders" assure us that our enemies are unnaturally evil people who hate us only because we are so wonderful. And they manage to utter this nonsense with an air of tough-minded realism. True realism, on the other hand, doesn't mean blaming Americans for bringing these horrifying and truly evil acts on themselves. It does mean trying to imagine alien perspectives from which our government's conduct might appear so intolerable that some people might be driven to take atrocious revenge. "To understand all is to forgive all," says the French aphorism. Not true. But understanding all can at least teach you how to avoid making enemies, and avoiding making enemies is the best defense -- better than a $300 billion "defense" budget that didn't defend the World Trade Center. The great director Jean Renoir was once asked why there were no villains in his films. He answered simply: "Everyone has his reasons." Your bitterest enemy may have his reasons for hating your guts. You may not think they are good or sufficient reasons, but you'd better take them into account. If he has any brains, he may find a way to hurt you. The United States is now a global empire that wants to think of itself as a universal benefactor, and is nonplussed when foreigners don't see it that way. None of the earlier empires of this world, as far as I know, shared this delusion; the Romans, the Mongols, the British, the Russians and Soviets didn't expect to rule and to be loved at the same time. Why do we? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Adam [adam@fiendishthingy.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:33 PM To: Grumpsie Subject: Re[2]: [DG] Twin Towers Still numb, Still waiting to hear from friends who live in New York. Tuesday, September 11, 2001, 8:37:27 AM, Grumpsie wrote: G> End Times indeed "In the city of God there will be a great thunder, two big brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb. The third big war will begin when the city is burning." Nostradamus -- Adam mailto:adam@fiendishthingy.org _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:35 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Pentagon bombing > Wanted to chime in that there were a few more devlopements > The hit on the pentagon was a miss > if they had hit the center it would have taken down the whole building. > The building is still burning and the fire is spreading. The Pentagon has an open center. They would hit a hotdog stand. And if you believe Under Seige 2 and what's his face.. Steven Seagull or something... a nuclear reactor, but that's a few miles down. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of the fiend [turner23@thehub.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:26 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Pentagon bombing - conspiracy tilt talaphid wrote: > > > Wanted to chime in that there were a few more devlopements > > The hit on the pentagon was a miss > > if they had hit the center it would have taken down the whole building. > > The building is still burning and the fire is spreading. > > The Pentagon has an open center. They would hit a hotdog stand. And if you > believe Under Seige 2 and what's his face.. Steven Seagull or something... a > nuclear reactor, but that's a few miles down. to be horribly delta greenish and morbid, illuminatus points out that yog sogoth was kept trapped by the completed form of the pentagon. the lloligor in robert anton wilsons world have been freed. agent fiend suprised that they intervied tom clancy but no ones gone near raw yet. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Ethan Butterfield [primus@veris.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:46 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Pentagon bombing - conspiracy tilt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 01:25:41PM +1000, the fiend wrote: > to be horribly delta greenish and morbid, illuminatus points out that > yog sogoth was kept trapped by the completed form of the pentagon. the > lloligor in robert anton wilsons world have been freed. > We having list problems again? I sent in an e-mail nearly a duplicate to this one about 40 minutes ago, and it never appeared. - -- "Nothing's the same anymore." - Cmdr. Jeffrey Sinclair, "Chrysalis" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7ntpzAmwSMwnpLHgRAoPTAKC1ATpsrgbPSpXTcUbDAhAtTwVb3QCZAb55 UzwqfMIOaGk+NcPmcaLDDAg= =Gna9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:44 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Pentagon bombing - conspiracy tilt From: "Ethan Butterfield" > We having list problems again? I sent in an e-mail nearly a duplicate to > this one about 40 minutes ago, and it never appeared. Probably not. My email's been erratic all day. Most likely, the lines are just overloaded, is all. Nervy, Arjun, Marc, and others in the Zones--very good to hear you're alive, and my deepest sympathies on any losses you've had. I wish I were there with you. I know that sounds unlikely, but it's absolutely true. I feel like I've got a 10-pound weight on my chest. Andy--Sobran wrote exactly what I've been thinking all day. Dave (I know most of the messages today are off-topic, and I apologize for adding another, but it's a way of coping. We're all coping in different ways--let's just let each other do so for a couple of days.) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Diego Garcia [malkion666@yahoo.com.ar] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:00 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: Re[2]: [DG] Twin Towers > Tuesday, September 11, 2001, 8:37:27 AM, Grumpsie wrote: > G> End Times indeed > > "In the city of God there will be a great thunder, two big brothers > torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will > succumb. The third big war will begin when the city is burning." > Nostradamus > > -- > Adam mailto:adam@fiendishthingy.org I have been searching in the internet for this quatrain, and I didn't find it. Please could you give me any link or reference from where did you get it. I'm as shocked with what happened as everyone else that wrote about this on the list. I hope everyone from the list is ok (including the ones that didn't resuscribed yet). GOOd luck. Diego Garcia _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:26 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here Hey folks: Love and hugs go out to those in the NY and DC area. I hope for the best, here. As for the signifigance of the date... I'm starting to wondering if they weren't trying to hit us in the pocketbook. The Dow was already keeling over -- maybe they waited until it got below a certain point, and then sent out the signal to hijack the planes? This has definately caused a shock to our economy, and a penniless adversary is a weaker adversary. And -- the report on the ground here in the Gulf: There aren't any anti-american demonstrations going on here in the UAE, or even most places. Most of the gulf countries are horrified and shocked, and their leaders are condemning what happened. Arafat was really devastated by this, and not just because Palestine's already-poor PR with the US just fell through the floor. The only places that seem to think this is a great thing are Palestine and Egypt, and then it's just some of the more radical folks who are out celebrating. I think that's a case of the usual idiot-with-a-fat-mouth-and-no-brain set that -- inevitably -- gets to talk on TV before the clear-headed, well-educated people do. I'm also sure this is happening back in America. I can already sense the talking heads gearing up for a jaunty bombing run, somewhere... Among the crazier statements I've heard from some Palestinian liberation groups is that America is looking in the wrong hole, and that the Israelis were behind this. They seem to think that only the Mossad could have pulled this off. I'm sure you can guess my reaction to that... : P Past that, there's an eerie calm and an attempt to proceed as normal. Internet City -- right next to AUD -- had folks out front denying car entry to anyone without an IC ID badge. I'm going to try and sneak into their food court for lunch, as usual: wish me luck... the alternative is crappy cafeteria food. ANd that's all the shit I'm fit to print right now. If you want a more local view on things, I can recommend the Gulf News: http://www.gulf-news.com/news/2001/0912/default.asp J. Edward -- CAMPUS CRUSADE FOR CTHULHU -- Dubai, United Arab Emirates /-----------/---\-----------\ ------------|O O|------------ ------------\VAV/------------ -------------I I------------- "and who knows what depths lay in limitless sand; or what horrors are leashed by a great ebon hand?" - Ialdaloboth >From: "Arjun Roy" >Reply-To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com >To: >Subject: RE: [DG] Twin Towers >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:04:25 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [216.122.162.136] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD67B97C00B84004321AD87AA288EEC50; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:05:18 -0700 >Received: (from revoluti@localhost)by revolutionsf.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id >PAA18224for deltagreen-82778930; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:03:22 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net >(harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12])by revolutionsf.com >(8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18181for ; Tue, >11 Sep 2001 15:03:17 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from indie (pool-63.53.79.192.mhub.grid.net [63.53.79.192])by >harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA24225for >; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:03:11 -0700 (PDT) >From owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:07:05 -0700 >Message-ID: >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 >In-Reply-To: <001001c13acc$25cb3ba0$1651a5cb@nishi1.ky.home.ne.jp> >Importance: Normal >Sender: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com >Precedence: bulk > >Hello from NYC, ladies and gentlemen. As I write this, Towers One and Two >of >the World Trade Center are in shambles. There's limited intra-city public >transport available, most tunnels and bridges in/out of the city are >closed. >I live literally two blocks from the WTC, so I count myself lucky. > >Oh god. I am stunned. NO, this is beyond that. Beyond words. At first this >all seemed too surreal to be happening. My mom saw both planes crash, and >had to walk back here from the CitiBank Building, since it was closed down. >My dad was supposed to be at a meeting with Merril-Lynch at the WTC, and I >haven't heard from him yet. All our newscasters are in shock, and you can >bet the rest of us are, too. No matter what the repercussions are, the >heroism shown by the New York City Emergency Services departments, all the >policemen and firefighters, and EMTs, was and is amazing. The FDNY and NYPD >have had so much loss in life that the mayor can't bring himself to release >the statistics yet. > >I feel like I'm in shock right now. I guess the country had it coming for >awhile now, but this is still a horrific, monstrous event. And ground zero >is not the place to be. It's seven hours since the beginning of the worst >attack on mainland America in our history. One section of the Pentagon's >collapsed. BOTH WTC towers are just gone. Just like that. It just hurts so >badly right now. > >Thanks for your concern, it's good to hear that the rest of the world is >still out there. > >And Nervy, drop me a line, will you? Same goes for anybody else from NYC on >the list. > >Arjun Roy >in shock > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:15 AM > > To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com > > Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers > > > > > > From: > > > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Davide Mana wrote: > > > > Two planes crashed into the Twin Towers in New York City. > > > > What the hell's happening out there?! > > > > > > And the Pentagon too apparently. > > > From Rob Shankley and myself, our sympathies go out to our > > American list > > > members. > > > > > > Nervy and all others in NYC and DC--are you OK? Report in. > > > > Dave > > stunned > > > > This...is going to get much worse before it's over. And not just for > > America. Oh...hell. > >PS: I agree with Dave. We're all going to hell in a handbasket. > >_______________________________________ >The Delta Green Mailing List >http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:00 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Fw: [fictionmags] An eyewitness account Forwarded from another list, agents. FYI The Glove Cleaner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Webster" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:04 AM Subject: [fictionmags] An eyewitness account Jerry Pournelle posted this tonight on one of the SFF Net newsgroups; I have no reason to think it isn't authentic. Dear Jerry, Following is a message which my one of my best friends passed along with permission to distribute to those who might be interested. It fills in the details that I missed in my original conversation with him and attempted to relate to you. Tom has given me permission to distribute the message - please feel free to post it if you deem it appropriate. Sincerely, Art Russell Major, US Army (Retired) Message Follows: Today was a tragedy for all of America and to my family, a very personal one. Lynn and my Niece Liz's husband, Jeremy Glick was on United flight 93 this morning. When the Hijackers took control of flight 93. Jeremy called my niece who in-turn conferenced him to 911. Jeremy relayed to the police what was happening as the hijacking unfolded. As our niece Liz listened, Jeremy told the police there were three Arab terrorists with knives and a large red box that they claimed contained a bomb. Jeremy tracked the second by second details and relayed them to the police by phone. After several minutes of describing the scene, Jeremy and several other passengers decided there was nothing to lose by rushing the hijackers. Although United Flight 93 crashed outside of Pittsburgh, with the loss of all souls. Jeremy and the other patriotic heroes saved the lives of many people on the ground that would have died if the Arab terrorists had been able to complete their heinous mission. Please offer your prayers for all of those who perished or were injured in this tragic of all days and to our niece Liz Glick and her 2-month-old child, Emerson, who are left without their loving Husband and Father. May we remember Jeremy and the other brave souls as heroes, soldiers and Americans' on United flight 93 whom so gallantry gave their lives to save many others. Lynn, our four adult children and I are headed to New York to be with our family during this time of great sadness All of my best, Tom _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Lord Abdul Baan [lordabdul@vachefolle.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:47 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Exactly 1000 words about Kaiser Permanente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Exactly 1000 words about Kaiser Permanentef u n g i s p o i l e r s I had to check Kaiser Permanente on google cause, obviously, they're only present in the USA. According to their site, they're based in the states of California, Colorado, District of Columbia, Georgia Hawaii, Maryland, Ohio, Oregon, Virginia, and Washington. Anyway, the basic idea of the Mi-Go contacting other organizations in order to gather more information is good, but i think it's very dangerous for them to contact KP as Mi-Gos. In fact, if they have to know what's worse : MJ12 discovering that there are other alien races in contact with humans, or MJ12 discovering the Greys are not exclusively theirs "friends". In your campaign seed, MJ12 discovers that KP's in contact with some curious alien race that implants things in children, and can mentally control things, or whathever else they can figure out according to the doctor they kidnap. But MJ12's guys are not completely stupid. Implanting things in children, that sounds like Greys. KP's been offered a similar technology ? That definitely sounds like Greys. But the doctor says the aliens are called MiGos, are some kind of bizarre giant thelepathic insect ? Mmmh...MJ12 will therefore start to be very, very suspicious. And the Mi-Gos must know that if their contact with KP is discovered, MJ12 won't be long to suspect things, or even ask the Greys some embarassing questions. So, 2 things : either the Mi-Gos were too confident, and fucked up. MJ12 will start to investigate further more, and try to see if the Greys, or any other alien race, is not already in contact with foreign countries. Black Operations outside the American ground would be more and more frequent after the discovery. Whithin the US, MJ12 would be more kind to check out any weird event, because the question would be : how many alien races are here ? Therefore, Delta Green could have MJ12 agents doing their work, which is definitely not what they want. Then, the Mi-Gos could have been more cautious, and may have contacted KP as Greys. MJ12 discovers that, and then gets very angry to the Greys because they were supposed be the only ones in contact. This is preliminary stuff that just came in mind, so feel free to correct me if there's something wrong. Abdul. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use Comment: Never trust your goldfish. iQA/AwUBO58u9gBMKvnjmtu2EQKcnACffJ0miTiRffkVFMOZQVVdoG2G/FgAoKQu 0ty+OtTMNlpOAvaJ1Tm8CrD1 =MeWC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of david wienecke [dwienecke@usa.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:10 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Fwd: [Re: [Re: [DG] Pentagon bombing]] I noticed the E-mail and Internet was performing inconsistently I sent this missive yesterday and never saw it post: Received: from 204.68.23.27 by nwcst282 for [65.91.162.163] via web-mailer(34FM.0700.21.01) on Wed Sep 12 02:10:09 GMT 2001 Date: 11 Sep 2001 22:10:09 EDT From: david wienecke To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [Re: [DG] Pentagon bombing] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.21.01) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a friendly that was in the pentagon in the section that was hit in the "A" ring in an employee break room. He relayed that the rigs "E" through "C" were demolished but the plane failed to penetrate the last two sections. This individual did not know the fate of his wife in another section of the building. She was stationed in an office near the infirmary and was not allowed to leave until after 6 PM in order to control the media coverage. In other sections of the Pentagon the only noticeable effect, other than the sound, was nearly every door in the building flew open due to the air pressure. This makes sense to me as the building is almost entirely made up of reinforced concrete and the twin towers are only made up of steel beams and lighter weight inside materials to allow the height.The only major structures inside the towers would be reinforced concrete towers containing the stairs and elevators. Dave W. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Lord Abdul Baan [lordabdul@vachefolle.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:35 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Majestic -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Maybe you heard about Electronic Arts' new game, Majestic, an online conspiracy game with a strange kind of gameplay. Anyway, i can't beta-test it, i'm not in the USA or Canada. (btw, anyone tested it ?) Anyway, i just wondered...EA's got the legal rights on the name "Majestic", now. Does that mean that MJ12 will have to pay them to continue their activities and write reports ? Mmmh... That sounds stupid. I love that. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use Comment: Never trust your goldfish. iQA/AwUBO59yfgBMKvnjmtu2EQIqxwCfZBZkxmQx4PjMWUaEgXGL/JMhq7UAn2B9 NmNyeoEsDYpiHencXFkHZJr1 =tjJP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Marc J Cassell [nekonube2k@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:34 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Pentagon bombing Yes the Pentagon has a hot dot stand in the center. Workers lovingly refer to it as ground zero. The main point is that news reports state that the pilot was extremly skilled to have been able to get down to the penatgon without crashing into something else. People also think that it was rushed and the primary target was the White house. But as I was saying the news reports state that had the plane hit closer to the center it would have been likely to take the whole building down. Reports on the world trade center crashes estimate that the force was at least the eqiuvlent of a 5 richter earthquake for the inital hit. Plus the flamibilty of the jet fuel and most of the pentagon would have been lost, in best case senario. On the good news they seem to have gotten the fire in the penatgon put out some time late last night. I think around midnight EST. To all who had friendlys in the buildings my heart goes out to you Iceweb On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:35:13 -0400 "talaphid" writes: > > Wanted to chime in that there were a few more devlopements > > The hit on the pentagon was a miss > > if they had hit the center it would have taken down the whole > building. > > The building is still burning and the fire is spreading. > > The Pentagon has an open center. They would hit a hotdog stand. And > if you > believe Under Seige 2 and what's his face.. Steven Seagull or > something... a > nuclear reactor, but that's a few miles down. > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/