From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of david wienecke [dwienecke@usa.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:43 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Third times the charm I noticed the E-mail and Internet was performing inconsistently I sent this missive yesterday and never saw it post: Received: from 204.68.23.27 by nwcst282 for [65.91.162.163] via web-mailer(34FM.0700.21.01) on Wed Sep 12 02:10:09 GMT 2001 Date: 11 Sep 2001 22:10:09 EDT From: david wienecke To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [Re: [DG] Pentagon bombing] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.21.01) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a friendly that was in the pentagon in the section that was hit in the "A" ring in an employee break room. He relayed that the rigs "E" through "C" were demolished but the plane failed to penetrate the last two sections. This individual did not know the fate of his wife in another section of the building. She was stationed in an office near the infirmary and was not allowed to leave until after 6 PM in order to control the media coverage. In other sections of the Pentagon the only noticeable effect, other than the sound, was nearly every door in the building flew open due to the air pressure. This makes sense to me as the building is almost entirely made up of reinforced concrete and the twin towers are only made up of steel beams and lighter weight inside materials to allow the height.The only major structures inside the towers would be reinforced concrete towers containing the stairs and elevators. Dave W. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:51 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] The mechanics of the day >And what of the Fate? Did Stephan Alzis die (again) in the World Trade >Center collapse? Was the Fate complicit in the event, poised to take >financial and political advantage of the situation? Or was the >Karotechia lashing out at the Fate due to some falling out between the >two groups? Actually, I've been thinking of Alzis too, but in a much different role. Right now there is more world unity than there has been for a long, long time. Support and offers of assistance are coming in from all corners of the globe. Also, the economy is likely to have a surge over the next several weeks - historically, whenever there has been a terrible disaster, the stock markets have always climbed dramatically about thirty days later. George W. is in a position of having lost the popular vote, and his approval ratings have been in the toilet. He's gotta live up to daddy, but isn't terribly well equipped. (Yeah, okay, the people who disagree will rightfully flame me - just let's keep those flames off-list, okay?) I can easily see him making a deal with Alzis. "George," Alzis says, "I'll tell ya what. I can make world leaders stand beside you in a united front against a common enemy. I can make you the president that united the world. I can even grant your economy a reprieve so that at the next election you can point out what a powerful leader you are. All ya gotta do is...." Dubya eagerly nods his head and wonders what beautiful thing Alzis is going to arrange, knowing that it couldn't possibly be anything bad because Stephen's such a nice guy. This just really seems like Alzis' style to me. At least from what RoE let on about him. The question becomes, though, what does Alzis demand in return? What is it that Dubya is uniquely able to give him? I'll leave that up to the list. Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord [wardjr@aston.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:56 AM To: Delta Green Mailing List Subject: [DG] A little light humour. A little light humour I found by accident. http://www.darksites.com/souls/horror/mythoswars/hobanner.gif Jon -- Jonathan Ward || "Strange, the transfers stopped after about 30,000." School of Engineering || "After 32767?" Aston University || "Oh. Yeah." *click* j.r.ward@aston.ac.uk || [Real conversation at a previous place of work] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bryan Fennell [bryan.fennell@uleth.ca] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:04 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Third times the charm "This makes sense to me as the building is almost entirely made up of > reinforced concrete and the twin towers are only made up of steel beams and > lighter weight inside materials to allow the height.The only major structures > inside the towers would be reinforced concrete towers containing the stairs > and elevators." One thing to remember about the World Trade Center is that almost all of the load bearing members were in the center of the building to give those fantastic views. Each floor was then "hung" from the central support. Damage that central support and it all comes crashing down. In buildings like the Empire State and Chrysler Buildings, the windows are much smaller because the building is essentially constructed inside a cage of structural steel. I've heard from reliable sources that either the Empire State or the Chrysler Building would have probably soaked up the force of the jet collisions with substantially less damage. Plus, both buildings have the added advantage of an external sheath of stainless steel, which is pretty tough stuff. The World Trade Center just has windows as the majority of it's external skin. The people who planned this thing probably knew that by hitting the World Trade Center, they were hitting a relatively fragile building. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jussi Marttila [velcrokf@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:35 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] The mechanics of the day >From: "Gatten, Marshall" >Actually, I've been thinking of Alzis too, but in a much different role. > >Right now there is more world unity than there has been for a long, long >time. Support and offers of assistance are coming in from all corners of >the >globe. Also, the economy is likely to have a surge over the next several >weeks - historically, whenever there has been a terrible disaster, the >stock >markets have always climbed dramatically about thirty days later. > >George W. is in a position of having lost the popular vote, and his >approval >ratings have been in the toilet. He's gotta live up to daddy, but isn't >terribly well equipped. (Yeah, okay, the people who disagree will >rightfully >flame me - just let's keep those flames off-list, okay?) > >I can easily see him making a deal with Alzis. "George," Alzis says, "I'll >tell ya what. I can make world leaders stand beside you in a united front >against a common enemy. I can make you the president that united the world. >I can even grant your economy a reprieve so that at the next election you >can point out what a powerful leader you are. All ya gotta do is...." > >Dubya eagerly nods his head and wonders what beautiful thing Alzis is going >to arrange, knowing that it couldn't possibly be anything bad because >Stephen's such a nice guy. > >This just really seems like Alzis' style to me. At least from what RoE let >on about him. > Like they say in "Quest for the Holy Grail" : "Let us not go there. It is a silly place." Although you remained strictly within DG Universe, stuff like this starts flame wars. However, I've been thinking about how this could be carried out without being detected and basically, there are two major reasons (IMO): 1. Since it has most likely been done by a religious group, secrecy has been way better than inside an organization based on something else. This is why the cults DG fights are tough opponents. 2. I've heard plenty of times that the HUMINT capabilities the US has aren't that good (too much focus on the technical aspect of espionage). This ties in with point 1. Jussi, analyzing to avoid thinking about the horror. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:53 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The mechanics of the day RE: [DG] The mechanics of the day----- Original Message ----- From: Gatten, Marshall > George W. is in a position of having lost the popular vote, > and his approval ratings have been in the toilet. He's gotta > live up to daddy, but isn't terribly well equipped. (Yeah, okay, > the people who disagree will rightfully flame me - just let's > keep those flames off-list, okay?) Hey, I'm as Right as they come, but I agree Dubya is dumb. There are limits to party loyalty. > The question becomes, though, what does Alzis > demand in return? What is it that Dubya is uniquely > able to give him? I'll leave that up to the list. I'm inclined to say "wait and see". Like many people, I feel as though the last 48 hours have been a dream. And I even feel sort of guilty about it. Does that make sense? We have fantasised about this kind of thing so long, now it's here? --- *** --- Well. My take. What will happen first of all is Normality. Normality will seem to return. But it is going to be a crippled and frightened normality. The drivers behind this, ultimately, are the demographic decline of the West and the expansion of Islam. These facts have deep roots in culture and religion, and are not going to go away. It is going to continue and it is going to get worse. The twenty first century is going to be a century of great wars. These will not be wars between nation states. They will be wars between ethnic groups, religions, and other sub-divisions which will cut across national boundaries. Cutting in on this will be a severe contracton of the world economy as oil gets short (prob before 2010). --- *** --- The cultural and political leaders of the West imagine themselves to be part of an international multicultural elite who will lead the world into an era of peace. In fact they are hopless, flabby, dreamers, living in a media-driven paradise far disconnected from reality. They can't allow themselves to see these facts because it would be electorially disasterous for them to proclaim them. Poor Boobya is a good model for them. --- *** --- What does Alzis promise? Return to normality, I think. Peace in the Middle East, another plaster, assured supply of Oil. As I said, a frightened normality will return, for a while. --- *** --- What does Azis demand? You will have to tell me what he wants. To furthur weaken the West? Then he will try to accelerate immigration, and break up the US monopoly on nukes. To save the West? Then I don't know what he will do. I can't imagine how to save the West, without transforming it. Knowledge, power, the Eye in the Pyramid? A place in the Shelter with the elite? That vial of smallpox the Russians have never actually destroyed? Five hundred tons of gold? All of the above? I know what Alzis *knows*. But I don't know what he wants. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Mr. Zero [mrzero@twilite.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:50 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Majestic } Maybe you heard about Electronic Arts' new game, Majestic, an online } conspiracy game with a strange kind of gameplay. Anyway, i can't } beta-test it, i'm not in the USA or Canada. (btw, anyone tested it ?) I was playing for a few months..... the game is curently suspended due to the attacks. } Anyway, i just wondered...EA's got the legal rights on the name } "Majestic", now. Does that mean that MJ12 will have to pay them to } continue their activities and write reports ? Mmmh... That sounds } stupid. I love that. MJ12 is a long standing orginization all there own.... ;) -- mrzero@twilite.org Homepage: http://www.twilite.org/~mrzero ICQ: 121817936 DG-DarkTide: http://brsp.net/~mrzero "Scotch, straight up, no xeno-linguistic virus. Please." _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:07 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: Re[2]: [DG] Twin Towers >"In the city of God there will be a great thunder, two big brothers >torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will >succumb. The third big war will begin when the city is burning." >Nostradamus Just to quickly put that one to rest, according to http://www.nostradamus-repository.org/cityofgod.html that quatrain was not actually written by Nostradamus. (And they oughtta know!) From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Marc J Cassell [nekonube2k@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:38 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The mechanics of the day On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:53:01 +0100 "Andy Robertson" writes: > RE: [DG] The mechanics of the day----- Original Message ----- > > Well. My take. > > What will happen first of all is Normality. Normality will seem to > return. > But it is going to be a crippled and frightened normality. > > The drivers behind this, ultimately, are the demographic decline of > the West > and the expansion of Islam. These facts have deep roots in culture > and > religion, and are not going to go away. It is going to continue and > it is > going to get worse. > > The twenty first century is going to be a century of great wars. > These will > not be wars between nation states. They will be wars between > ethnic > groups, religions, and other sub-divisions which will cut across > national > boundaries. > > Cutting in on this will be a severe contracton of the world economy > as oil > gets short (prob before 2010). > > > The Glove Cleaner > You know the more I look at all this it seems like a type of OUTLOOK project. Seeming normal people getting on planes then turning violent. Taking over the planes with no more than knives. Piloting aircraft into buildings. It just seems like a bit of mind control could go a long way to achiving these goals. Now I can't see MJ doing it themselves, but I can think of a reason for the Mi-go forcing them to. The Endtimes, there getting closer. We know about the discriptions of the endtimes from forbiden texts. We know that people go mad, and the great old ones teach man new ways to kill in the horror. What if OUTLOOK was trying to prevent this. Where was the mass panic in the tragedy? Where were the people turning on each other? It didn't happen. People were strong and helped each other. They donated blood and picked up the wounded. Could be some use of OUTLOOK to keep people calm and helpful in a major crisis. The Endtimes will be a lot easier for humanity if we don't turn on ourselves when it happens. If we work together we still lose but not as quick and not as bad. The Mi-Go could be trying to help us there. Since there is some theory on the list that the Mi-Go are an evolved from of man, this would carry more weight. Any Ideas? Trying to make sense of it all Iceweb ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:59 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com; christopher@delta-green.com Subject: Re: [DG] The mechanics of the day dear fellow listmembers, as i happened to be unsubscribed during what might have been the cruelest majestic operation ever, and as the archives take some time to catch up, has somebody by chance collected the messages since last friday? i´d really like to catch up with the efforts to get any sense in these terrorist acts. as the following quotes from another list (not that devoted to handling paranoid thoughts) show there are interesting memes going round. festus Message: 18 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:25:56 -0400 From: "Jason Weiser" Subject: Re: breaking news 1,2 and 3. Ben, don't need to, am at 20th and 1st. It's Pearl Harbor, guys. No other way to put it. Jason (INSERT FESTUS: INCLUDING REASONABLE DOUBT THAT REALLY NOBODY IN GOVERNMENT, MILITARY AND INTELLIGENCE GUESSED SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN IN PEARL HARBOUR ?) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <2300ad@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [2300ad] breaking news 1,2 and 3. > I keep typing in part because I can't really talk. I am in knots. If anyone wants the view from here, we took pictures on the digital camera and uploaded them. I can e-mail if anyone wants to see what this looks like. > > Ben >Message: 22 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:59:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenji Schwarz Subject: Another kind of call-up One of my coworkers said a little while ago that quick revenge on likely culprits by the US will be a nation-sized Snickers bar -- a pause that satisfies, but rots away the innards. I can only hope and trust that the US retribution will be *exceedingly* correct; it seems likely that our generous dispatch of cruise missiles to various cities fed the sense of powerlessness and desire for revenge behind these attacks in the first place. (On the other hand, I'm sure we all remember the immediate and certain identification of Middle Eastern terrorists as being behind the Oklahoma City Federal Building bombing, too, right?) Given my continued legal battle with the US over my citizenship & identity, and threats made during the course of it, there's a good likelihood that the next few days I'll be incarcerated, in one way or another. Either way, I'll hope that those of you who have considered me -- or anyone else designated as 'enemy' by our leaders -- as a person, will consider continuing to do so. I've already unsubscribed to a couple other email lists; I don't need to be reminded how this brings out the very worst in people's character, not the best. Particularly while I wait for new summonses, or handcuffs. Ben, I'm very glad to hear you're okay; for what it's worth coming from me, in your shoes, I would be proud to be a builder at this time. Hope to continue hearing from you all, Kenji Message: 23 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:24:44 -0500 From: "Lane Willard" Subject: Re: Another kind of call-up Kenji wrote: > One of my coworkers said a little while ago that quick > revenge on likely culprits by the US will be a > nation-sized Snickers bar -- a pause that satisfies, > but rots away the innards. I can only hope and trust > that the US retribution will be *exceedingly* correct; > it seems likely that our generous dispatch of cruise > missiles to various cities fed the sense of > powerlessness and desire for revenge behind these > attacks in the first place. (On the other hand, I'm > sure we all remember the immediate and certain > identification of Middle Eastern terrorists as being > behind the Oklahoma City Federal Building bombing, > too, right?) Kenji, are you fucking insane to post this drivel? - Lane Message: 24 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:25:42 -0000 From: scott_d_ash@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Another kind of call-up Hello Kenji, For what it's worth, if "they" do come for you, then in my opinion the bad guys have won. While I have my doubts that it would come to that, at this point we *all* are moving into uncharted territory. Hopefully soon this nastiness will be over with, and we can go back to our usual discussions. My thoughts and prayers for all of us affected. Scott Message: 25 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:47:27 -0500 From: "Lane Willard" Subject: Re: Re: Another kind of call-up From: > Hello Kenji, > > For what it's worth, if "they" do come for you, then in my opinion > the bad guys have won. While I have my doubts that it would come to > that, at this point we *all* are moving into uncharted territory. A quote from Jerry Pournelle's web site, posted today: "Clearly the nation is at war. The consequences will be far reaching. One is probably the end of any realistic hope that we will restore the republic. For good or ill, today's events have determined that: we will be an empire. Don't make of that more than I said: it's an easy prediction, and at the moment isn't intended to imply either approval or lack of approval. It's merely inevitable now. The nation has been shut down from coast to coast. When it reopens it will not be the same country. The call for war has begun. I said in mail: The Empire will strike back. It is war, and republics are not good at waging war other than in defense of their homelands against invasions. Other wars require other forms. We are in another kind of war. Waging it requires that we become a different kind of nation. One cannot have open borders during war. Many other liberties must or will be suspended. Some have been suspended since 1941. A few since 1917. The Seventy Years war pushed us to the edge. We might have recovered and restored republican institutions. Now I doubt we will. The above list leaves out Iraq and Palestine. I doubt the National Security Council will. It will suffice for here. " Kenji liked to wax poetic about US imperialism. He ain't seen nothing yet. Its interesting that 90% of Kenji's post was about himself and his concerns about himself. - Lane __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of mythago@pacbell.net Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:12 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Majestic EA just sent out a notice that it will be suspending the game indefinitely, given the recent tragedy. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:38 PM To: delta-green Subject: [DG] DG: more grist for the terrorist mill --- Jim schrieb: > I subscribe to a newsletter from a unique > investigative reporter. His name is Michael Moore. > Some of you may have heard of him from a couple of > his tv shows or his movie "Roger and Me" > This is what he had to say about the recent attacks. > Read it...it's very eye opening. > > Dear friends, > > I was supposed to fly today on the 4:30 PM American > Airlines flight from > LAX to JFK. But tonight I find myself stuck in L.A. > with an incredible > range of emotions over what has happened on the > island where I work and > live in New York City. > > My wife and I spent the first hours of the day -- > after being awakened by > phone calls from our parents at 6:40am PT -- trying > to contact our daughter > at school in New York and our friend JoAnn who works > near the World Trade > Center. > > I called JoAnn at her office. As someone picked up, > the first tower > imploded, and the person answering the phone > screamed and ran out, leaving > me no clue as to whether or not she or JoAnn would > live. > > It was a sick, horrible, frightening day. > > On December 27, 1985 I found myself caught in the > middle of a terrorist > incident at the Vienna airport -- which left 30 > people dead, both there and > at the Rome airport. (The machine-gunning of > passengers in each city was > timed to occur at the same moment.) > > I do not feel like discussing that event tonight > because it still brings up > too much despair and confusion as to how and why I > got to live. a fluke, a > mistake, a few feet on the tarmac, and I am still > here, there but for the > grace of. > > Safe. Secure. I'm an American, living in America. I > like my illusions. I > walk through a metal detector, I put my carry-ons > through an x-ray machine, > and I know all will be well. > > Here's a short list of my experiences lately with > airport security: > > * At the Newark Airport, the plane is late at > boarding everyone. The > counter can't find my seat. So I am told to just "go > ahead and get on" -- > without a ticket! > > * At Detroit Metro Airport, I don't want to put the > lunch I just bought at > the deli through the x-ray machine so, as I pass > through the metal > detector, I hand the sack to the guard through the > space between the > detector and the x-ray machine. I tell him "It's > just a sandwich." He > believes me and doesn't bother to check. The sack > has gone through neither > security device. > > * At LaGuardia in New York, I check a piece of > luggage, but decide to catch > a later plane. The first plane leaves without me, > but with my bag -- no one > knowing what is in it. > > * Back in Detroit, I take my time getting off the > commuter plane. By the > time I have come down its stairs, the bus that takes > the passengers to the > terminal has left -- without me. I am alone on the > tarmac, free to wander > wherever I want. So I do. Eventually, I flag down a > pick-up truck and an > airplane mechanic gives me a ride the rest of the > way to the terminal. > > * I have brought knives, razors; and once, my > traveling companion brought a > hammer and chisel. No one stopped us. > > Of course, I have gotten away with all of this > because the airlines > consider my safety SO important, they pay > rent-a-cops $5.75 an hour to make > sure the bad guys don't get on my plane. That is > what my life is worth -- > less than the cost of an oil change. > > Too harsh, you say? Well, chew on this: a first-year > pilot on American > Eagle (the commuter arm of American Airlines) > receives around $15,000 a > year in annual pay. > > That's right -- $15,000 for the person who has your > life in his hands. > Until recently, Continental Express paid a little > over $13,000 a year. > There was one guy, an American Eagle pilot, who had > four kids so he went > down to the welfare office and applied for food > stamps -- and he was eligible! > > Someone on welfare is flying my plane? Is this for > real? Yes, it is. > > So spare me the talk about all the precautions the > airlines and the FAA is > taking. They, like all businesses, are concerned > about one thing -- the > bottom line and the profit margin. > > Four teams of 3-5 people were all able to penetrate > airport security on the > same morning at 3 different airports and pull off > this heinous act? My only > response is -- that's all? > > Well, the pundits are in full diarrhea mode, gushing > on about the > "terrorist threat" and today's scariest dude on > planet earth -- Osama bin > Laden. Hey, who knows, maybe he did it. But, > something just doesn't add up. > > Am I being asked to believe that this guy who sleeps > in a tent in a desert > has been training pilots to fly our most modern, > sophisticated jumbo jets > with such pinpoint accuracy that they are able to > hit these three targets > without anyone wondering why these planes were so > far off path? > > Or am I being asked to believe that there were four > religious/political > fanatics who JUST HAPPENED to be skilled airline > pilots who JUST HAPPENED > to want to kill themselves today? > > Maybe you can find one jumbo jet pilot willing to > die for the cause -- but > FOUR? Ok, maybe you can -- I don't know. > > What I do know is that all day long I have heard > everything about this bin > Laden guy except this one fact -- WE created the > monster known as Osama bin > Laden! > > Where did he go to terrorist school? At the CIA! > > Don't take my word for it -- I saw a piece on MSNBC > last year that laid it > all out. When the Soviet Union occupied Afghanistan, > the CIA trained him > and his buddies in how to commits acts of terrorism > against the Soviet > forces. It worked! The Soviets turned and ran. Bin > Laden was grateful for > what we taught him and thought it might be fun to > use those same techniques > against us. > > We abhor terrorism -- unless we're the ones doing > the terrorizing. > > We paid and trained and armed a group of terrorists > in Nicaragua in the > 1980s who killed over 30,000 civilians. That was OUR > work. You and me. > Thirty thousand murdered civilians and who the hell > even remembers! > > We fund a lot of oppressive regimes that have killed > a lot of innocent > people, and we never let the human suffering THAT > causes to interrupt our > day one single bit. > > We have orphaned so many children, tens of thousands > around the world, with > our taxpayer-funded terrorism (in Chile, in Vietnam, > in Gaza, in Salvador) > that I suppose we shouldn't be too surprised when > those orphans grow up and > are a little whacked in the head from the horror we > have helped cause. > > Yet, our recent domestic terrorism bombings have not > been conducted by a > guy from the desert but rather by our own citizens: > a couple of ex-military > guys who hated the federal government. > > From the first minutes of today's events, I never > heard that possibility > suggested. Why is that? > > Maybe it's because the A-rabs are much better foils. > A key ingredient in > getting Americans whipped into a frenzy against a > new enemy is the > all-important race card. It's much easier to get us > to hate when the object > of our hatred doesn't look like us. > > Congressmen and Senators spent the day calling for > more money for the > military; one Senator on CNN even said he didn't > want to hear any more talk > about more money for education or health care -- we > should have only one > priority: our self-defense. > > Will we ever get to the point that we realize we > will be more secure when > the rest of the world isn't living in poverty so we > can have nice running > shoes? > > In just 8 months, Bush gets the whole world back to > hating us again. He > withdraws from the Kyoto agreement, walks us out of > the Durban conference > on racism, insists on restarting the arms race -- > you name it, and Baby > Bush has blown it all. > > The Senators and Congressmen tonight broke out in a > spontaneous version of > "God Bless America." They're not a bad group of > singers! > > Yes, God, please do bless us. > > Many families have been devastated tonight. This > just is not right. They > did not deserve to die. If someone did this to get > back at Bush, then they > did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT > VOTE for him! Boston, New > York, DC, and the planes' destination of California > -- these were places > that voted AGAINST Bush! > > Why kill them? Why kill anyone? Such insanity. > > Let's mourn, let's grieve, and when it's appropriate > let's examine our > contribution to the unsafe world we live in. > > It doesn't have to be like this. > > Yours, > > Michael Moore > mmflint@aol.com > > __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of CelticHound [celtichound@foobox.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:43 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The mechanics of the day Here is a tidbit that may help in a game. I'm seeing cats and dogs lying down together. This quote is typical: "I heartily disagree with the politics of [snip]'s parent organization. Regardless, I'll put that aside in the interest of [...]" Sorta like the AKC giving donations to PETA/ALF to rescue the pets trapped in New York. Short term good for long term ill. -- CH _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of CelticHound [celtichound@foobox.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:56 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Reading your mouse movements [I hadn't seen this on the list, but wanted to add to everyone's general paranoia... -- CH] Reading your mouse movements Some mouse movements are common to all By BBC News Online's Alfred Hermida A website that can read your body language and know what you want before you have even clicked on anything may sound like science fiction. But this is what researchers in the US are working on. A team at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in Boston, US, say they have developed a way to record mouse movements on a page and learn how people behave when they are on the internet. They found that certain movements of the mouse are common, allowing them to predict how someone uses the web. This sort of information would be invaluable to content providers who are looking for ways of increasing the effectiveness of their websites. "Just by looking at the way the mouse moves, I can tell whether you are reading a web page," says Ted Selker, an MIT professor focusing on context-aware computing. "I can tell because when you read a webpage, you do one of a couple of things. You either shovel the mouse off to the right so that it is out of the way, or you will walk down the page with your mouse," he told the BBC's Go Digital programme. Follow the Cheese The system developed by the team at MIT is called Cheese, since they are following the mouse, like a mouse follows cheese. This is incredible. Can you imagine if I can actually tell that you wanted to press a link but didn't Ted Selker, MIT It provides the means to find out exactly how people navigate a webpage. The researchers say that if you could analyse in real time how someone goes through a website, the content and navigation could be adapted to create a more personal experience. "This is incredible," says Mr Selker. "Can you imagine if I can actually tell that you wanted to press a link but didn't. "And 75% of the time, I can tell that you were looking at a website but you didn't click to buy a vacation but were thinking of taking a vacation, while doing your travel plans." "I can change the way the travel site prepares material for you based on what intentions and interests you've demonstrated through your actions that aren't even recorded in the links you followed." Current technology The system developed at MIT works by including mouse movement data automatically with embedded scripting. The information is analysed and stored on a server. This collection technique is implemented using current technology and does not require any additional software on the user's browser. For their study, the researchers took a group of 17 people familiar with computers and web browsing, but from diverse backgrounds. They recorded the mouse activity as people performed a list of tasks common in web browsing, such as ordering a CD. The data was evaluated by redrawing the mouse movements on each page for each user and then visually comparing the patterns on mouse behaviour. Predicting choice In one case, people were asked to buy a CD or DVD of their choice. We're working very hard to make those kind of natural simple communications that people make with their body through computer interfaces Ted Selker, MIT By studying the mouse movements, the researchers were able to predict what their second choice would have been. This was done by determining the link on which they hesitated longest before clicking their first choice. Some people occasionally moved the mouse straight to the link of interest without hesitation. The MIT team believe this behaviour shows that a user has visited the page before and is familiar with its layout. "People are extremely good at remembering graphic design," says Ted Selker. "So when you act like you know where you are going on a place where you have no reason to know, then we know you have been there before." Computer scenarios The researchers now plan to put together a website with content that would change according to mouse behaviour. The research by the team at MIT is part of their efforts to create a world where desires and intentions are enough to get computers to act on our behalf. They aim to do this by developing environments that use sensors and artificial intelligence to create so-called "virtual sensors" - adaptive models of users to create keyboardless computer scenarios. "We're working very hard to make those kind of natural simple communications that people make with their body through computer interfaces so that people spend less time and effort trying to laboriously remember what command to type," says Mr Selker. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1528000/1528426.stm _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Mr. Zero [mrzero@twilite.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:37 PM To: Delta Green Friendlies Subject: [DG] 'Alone in the Dark: the New Nightmare' it's a great game...so CoC (they even have a hound of tilandos) and very DG with the whole FBI 713 back to the terror -- mrzero@twilite.org Homepage: http://www.twilite.org/~mrzero ICQ: 121817936 DG-DarkTide: http://brsp.net/~mrzero "Scotch, straight up, no xeno-linguistic virus. Please." _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jerzy Cichocki [deepone@go2.pl] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:45 PM To: Delta Green Subject: [DG] Terror attack Hi Everybody, It's terrible what had happend in America. We, in Poland, are still in shock. Best regards drom Warsaw. Good luck! George _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Chris Womack [jcwomack@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 6:02 PM To: deltagreen revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] FW: Réf. : [Cthulhu Live!] stranger thanfiction Hey-- Somebody brought up the bogus Nostradamus quatrain earlier; here's a nice explication of it that cropped up on the Cthulhu Live list. No point spreading ill-founded, false paranoia, when there's such an abundance of the real stuff going around. C Chris Womack jcwomack@earthlink.net Keeper of the DGML (Ret'd.) ------ Forwarded Message From: rdunoir@aol.com Reply-To: cthulhu_live@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:06:25 EDT To: Subject: Re: Réf. : [Cthulhu Live!] stranger than fiction *Similar, yet different* >From an entirely other source, I rec'd the following e-mail... I don't know which to believe, but just to fight the flames of hysteria, here it is: ****************************************** Many of you have received this email: "In the year of the new century and nine months, >From the sky will come a great King of Terror... The sky will burn at forty-five degrees. Fire approaches the great new city..." "In the city of york there will be a great collapse, 2 twin brothers torn apart by chaos while the fortress falls the great leader will succumb third big war will begin when the big city is burning" Here is a response to this fear mongering First, many of Nostradamus' prophecies were WRONG. Second, most of them are vague and can be applied to any time period. Third, his writings are voluminous. Any ancient scripture (even the Bible) can be taken out of context and used to explain modern day events. Fourth, we like to think our lifetime is so important that the ancient prophecies must be referring to us. Fifth, and most importantly, whoever compiled this quote did not understand his writings. This is a total farce. This quote is a cut and paste of his different writings and prophecies. This is a misquote from his writing:Century 10, verse 72: "In the year of the new century and nine months, >From the sky will come a great King of Terror... This is the real verse: "The year 1999, seventh month, from the sky will come a great King of Terror: To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols, before and after Mars to reign by good luck" This is another misquote from Century 6, verse 97 The sky will burn at forty-five degrees. Fire approaches the great new city..." Here is the real passage: "At forty-five degrees the sky will burn, fire to approach the great new city: In an instant a great scattered flame will leap up, when one will want to demand proof of the Normans" The last four lines cannot even be found in all of Nostrodamus' eleven writings: "In the city of york there will be a great collapse, 2 twin brothers torn apart by chaos while the fortress falls the great leader will succumb third big war will begin when the big city is burning" As you can see, this original email was misquoted, taken out of context, and clearly designed to freak people out regardless of its bogus historicity. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/7tRolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> - CTHULHU LIVE! - Live-Action Roleplaying in the worlds of H.P. Lovecraft. Cthulhu Live Website http://www.cthulhulive.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------ End of Forwarded Message _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:08 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com; deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The mechanics of the day What if this was all a huge message to mankind, engineered by - well, pick a group. Worshippers of Azathoth or any major god, saying: "See how your cities crumble. See how Chaos reigns. The Endtimes are here, and soon you all will die. Know this, and tremble." I'm not trying to trivialise this - I've already gone through anger, shock, more anger, and now I seem to be in some limbo zone - I went for a walk in the dusk and found that I couldn't focus on things around me, but odd things kept leaping out out me - darkened churches, howling wind. I almost convinced myself the Mythos was somehow encroaching on reality. (Hmm. So this is what SAN loss feels like.) I just pray that people don't act too quickly in light of all this and get the wrong people.(Don't think this means I don't care about the dead - I do, but what words are enough to convey the horror and sadness? Words are dust, cast to the winds.) Voidchaser, who needs to get a grip. 'Though much is taken, much abides: and though We are not now that strength which in old days Moved heaven and earth, that which we are, we are One equal temper of heroic hearts, Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.' Ulysses - Alfred, Lord Tennyson. > From: Nerva Vels > >and yes, even in this, I can add a ObDG: tying this in with the >horrors of >the random acts of violence on the other side of the continent, we're >seeing >the gradual destruction of the sense of security people rely on to >protect >them from the world at large. We, when we game, often don't get the >magnitude of the horror that would be The Endtimes. > >I need to view this through the eyes of Delta Green. I simply can't help >noticing how this horrific event has all the earmarks of a Karotechia's >Mass Sacrifice: Terrorism, Arab Bauer, seemingly impossible seizure of >commercial aircraft (easily accomplished through sorcery), massive loss >of innocent life. > >And what of the Fate? Did Stephan Alzis die (again) in the World Trade >Center collapse? Was the Fate complicit in the event, poised to take >financial and political advantage of the situation? Or was the >Karotechia lashing out at the Fate due to some falling out between the >two groups? > >And now as I write this it appears that there are explosions in Kabul, >Afganistan... > >The Man in Black is : hoping it won't go nuclear. >Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Matt "TrollBoy" Wiseman [trollboy@shoggoth.net] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:23 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers www.shoggoth.net we have a memorial page up. Matt "TrollBoy" Wiseman Webmaster: Shoggoth.net Site Designer: phpslash.org The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown. -H.P. Lovecraft --------------------------------------------------------- Please do not resell my e-mail address to anyone or send me unsolicited e-mail --------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "PM" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers > >1991 - The beginning of Desert Storm. > > Desert Storm began early 1991 (January IIRC but it may have been early Feb) > Desert Shield may have began in Sept 1990. Not sure about that. > > ============================================= > Patrice Mermoud > mermoud@easynet.fr > ============================================= > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Doctor TOC [otherchris@erols.com] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:31 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The mechanics of the day trueprophet@talk21.com wrote: > > Hmm. So this is what SAN loss feels like. Excellent obsevation. I'd imagine this is *exactly* what SAN loss feels like. Our perception of the world has undergone a sudden change, things we were once certain of are no longer true, and we're left with the chilling realisation that they may never have been true. The safe facade is stripped away, and we're left with a reality which *looks* the same as before, but one that we now know is riddled with hidden peril and forces that regard our lives as nothing. Doctor TOC -- The Reverend Doctor "The Other Chris" Assignment: Secret Elf Wu Name: Jive Talkin' Choirboy ICQ # 4814586 Daleks! 3D - http://users.rcn.com/otherchris/ Time War RPG - http://jump.to/TimeWar alt.tv.sevendays FAQ - http://welcome.to/7-Days The TOC Files - http://members.fortunecity.com/toc _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of PM [mermoud@easynet.fr] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:37 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here >Among the crazier statements I've heard from some Palestinian liberation >groups is that America is looking in the wrong hole, and that the Israelis >were behind this. They seem to think that only the Mossad could have pulled >this off. I'm sure you can guess my reaction to that... : P My reaction would have been the same but it made me think, though. That would be an "intelligent" (note the quotes) terrorism act : Striking at a thrid party and claiming / leaving clues leading to the opposite faction, to alienante the third party from the opposition. Now clearly, there wasn't any need to go this way, considering the US support of Israel over the years. ObDG : I think that has already been discussed but : What event in the past may have been used by DG or MJ-12 to alienate the higher spheres from the Other Side ? What consequences would it have ? ============================================= Patrice Mermoud mermoud@easynet.fr ============================================= _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:41 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Twin Towers quote Found this during my daily check-in at http://www.cruel.com/, it's so short I'll simply quote the whole thing. Eric Darton, author of the World Trade Center history Divided We Stand, in an interview last year: "One great irony of the towers is that they were built to withstand a 747 slamming into them -- the disaster scenario of a more 'innocent' era. No one in the mid-'60s, when the buildings were designed, could have anticipated that thirty years later the threat would not come from a stray airplane -- a symbol of the machine age gone awry -- but from modernity's discontents: terrorists who knew the building's true vulnerability was in its basement." Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:02 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here >My reaction would have been the same but it made me think, though. >That would be an "intelligent" (note the quotes) terrorism act : >Striking at a thrid party and claiming / leaving clues leading to the >opposite faction, to alienante the third party from the opposition. That it would, and that's a pretty scary thought. All the same, if this was something by Mossad, I think they'd have just done one airliner, and left PLO pamphlets in the car. There's no sign of the latter, and we know too well about the former... obdg: I'm sorry... I might be able to think of this in terms of an obdg at some point in the future, and if others can do it now -- or NEED to do it now -- they're more than welcome... But I just can't. It's too fresh and too horrible. Maybe in a few years I'll be able to think of it in those terms, but right now it's just another reminder that no matter what a warped and creative mind can put down on paper, reality is both stranger -- and more terrifying -- than fiction. J. Edward _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Mr. Zero [mrzero@twilite.org] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:01 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here J. Edward } obdg: I'm sorry... I might be able to think of this in terms of an obdg at } some point in the future, and if others can do it now -- or NEED to do it } now -- they're more than welcome... I just scrapped 2 months worth of work on my campaign opener.... felt sick looking over the notes where I was trying to figure out the death toll. sean -- mrzero@twilite.org Homepage: http://www.twilite.org/~mrzero ICQ: 121817936 DG-DarkTide: http://brsp.net/~mrzero "Scotch, straight up, no xeno-linguistic virus. Please." _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:09 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] OT - 'the view from here' (my wife wrote this. Feel free to send it along to whoever you want, just don't alter it and leave her name attached. Thanks) -------------------------------------------------------------------- (I'm mailing this to anyone and everyone I have contact with. Feel free to pass it on if you think someone needs to read it, so long as you keep my name with it) The View From Here 5:00 pm, Wednesday, September 12th, 2001. I walked into my classroom this morning, and found a room full of scared, worried young women. Classes have only barely started for this semester, so my students didn't know me that well yet. As soon as I came in, they asked, "Are you from America?" When I said yes, they asked if I had friends or family in Washington or New York. I told them I had friends in Washington, but they were alright. I said I'd been awake until three am, to make sure everyone was safe. And then we just sat and talked. Forget the lesson plans, and getting into the meat of the semester. Today wasn't a day for teaching. The quiz, the editing and the research guidelines just didn't matter today. Being a teacher, part of my job is to help my students make sense of the world. Since my students are University age, at that stage where one minute they are mature young adults and the next minute children, I'm here to help guide them as they sort out their worlds for themselves - along with teaching the subject matter in my class description, of course. How can I help them make sense of this when I can't make sense of it myself? I'm in just as much shock as they are. I want someone to say it's alright, just like they do. Nothing in this is straightforward. All the emotions are complex. Relief that my own family and friends are safe combined with worry for those whose aren't, or remain unknown. The most striking emotional cocktail of this for me is the reassurance and heartbreak at how desperately my students want this not to have been done by Arabs. You see, I teach in the Middle East. All those young women who are my students are Arabs. Muslims. I've seen and heard of people in the US saying "Damn Arabs" or "Damn Muslims" or "Damn Middle Easterners". That, and worse. To some of you, Arabs may be nameless and faceless, counted as suspicious or dangerous. Easy to blame. To me, Arabs are my students and their families. Arabs are as diverse a group as any other. Hating them all would be like hating all Europeans for the atrocities in Kosovo or Serbia. Let me make them less faceless for you. My students are young women. Like University students anywhere, they're worried about grades and exams, about course requirements and majors, and, of course, about juggling their classwork with their social lives. They have dreams and plans, about their careers, about marriage and family, about places they'd like to travel to. They may dress differently than a group of women the same age in the US, but underneath the shayla and abaya, they're not very different at all. Today, they're in shock. They're worried about war. They're concerned about their relatives who are in the States. They remember the Gulf War, and they're afraid this will be so much worse. Our University is near an airport. Normally, they just ignore the planes as they take off and land. Either they pause until the sound has died down, or try to talk over it. Today, they flinched. I've never seen the planes make them nervous before. They're horrified by the attacks on the United States. While they are angry that the US appears to support Israel, they cannot accept what has happened. My students do not celebrate this, nor do they take it lightly. They say it is harram - forbidden by religion. The deaths of so many innocents can never be acceptable. Not for any reason. My students are still learning English. They had to struggle, sometimes, to express themselves. They know how to talk about classes and majors. They know the vocabulary for the lives of University students. They don't have the words for the deaths of innocents. I find it tragic that they had to learn the word "innocent" under such appalling circumstances. I can no more make sense of this for you, or for myself, than I could for my students. All I can do is pray for the victims, and pray for Peace. Chris Tremlett English Language Center College of Arts and Sciences Zayed University Dubai, UAE _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nick Brownlow [stabernide@netscape.net] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:58 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] RE: [DG] FW: Réf. : [Cthulhu Live!] stranger thanfiction <> Apparently these are two seperate lines - "In the city of york there will be a great collapse, 2 twin brothers torn apart by chaos while the fortress falls the great leader will succumb" and "third big war will begin when the big city is burning" The first quote wasn't written by Nostradamus at all, but by Neil Marshall - a Canadian high school senior in his Critical Analysis of Nostradamus. he uses it as an example of how if you make a prophecy fairly abstract, you can interpret it in many thousands of different ways (which he then goes on to do so). No one I know has been able to track down the second quote. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Crossingham, Adam [Adam.Crossingham@markelintl.com] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 5:22 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: [DG] Missing messages It seems that the list continued during the time I was unsubbed, so I'm missing a few messages. Can some kind soul forward the messages after Jeff Schreier's "RE: [DG] questionable shan behaviour" (sent Friday) but before my "[DG] Echoes in the silence" message (sent Monday). Thanks in advance. AFC _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Kindred [kindred@wizard.com] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:51 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers Matt "TrollBoy" Wiseman wrote: >www.shoggoth.net >we have a memorial page up. The original was a radio broadcst in 1973 by Gordon Sinclair from a station in Toronto. Snopes.com, the Urban Legends debunking site, declares this to be real: http://www.snopes2.com/quotes/sinclair.htm Here is a link to a recording of Sinclair's broadcast, which given the events of Tuesday, is a welcome tonic: http://www.rcc.ryerson.ca/ccf/news/unique/american.ram http://www.rcc.ryerson.ca/ccf/news/unique/am_text.html The Canadian Broadcasting history site which hosts the recording also has the full, original, text (link above). This, I think, has even more power than the edited Internet version Kindred _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Matt "TrollBoy" Wiseman [trollboy@shoggoth.net] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 6:52 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers You didn't procede on and read the first article did you ;-) Matt "TrollBoy" Wiseman Webmaster: Shoggoth.net Site Designer: phpslash.org The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown. -H.P. Lovecraft --------------------------------------------------------- Please do not resell my e-mail address to anyone or send me unsolicited e-mail --------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kindred" To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers > Matt "TrollBoy" Wiseman wrote: > > >www.shoggoth.net > >we have a memorial page up. > > The original was a radio broadcst in 1973 by Gordon Sinclair from a > station in Toronto. Snopes.com, the Urban Legends debunking site, > declares this to be real: > http://www.snopes2.com/quotes/sinclair.htm > > Here is a link to a recording of Sinclair's broadcast, which given the > events of Tuesday, is a welcome tonic: > http://www.rcc.ryerson.ca/ccf/news/unique/american.ram > > http://www.rcc.ryerson.ca/ccf/news/unique/am_text.html > The Canadian Broadcasting history site which hosts the recording also > has the full, original, text (link above). This, I think, has even more > power than the edited Internet version > > Kindred > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord [wardjr@aston.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:41 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers On a computer, far, far away, Matt TrollBoy Wiseman wrote: > You didn't procede on and read the first article did you ;-) I've read the article and it makes me really sick. Full of inaccuracies, and forgets a lot of the politcal pressure the US aplies to "Allies". Britain was the only country to repay it's war debt in full, and bankrupted itself to do so. This is the basis of the "Special Relationship". The British "Blue Streak" rocket programme was cancelled due to US pressure. The British TR2 delta wing fighter cancelled due to US complaints. It was the first delta-wing fighter to fly. Only two prototypes were built, and it was yonks ahead of other designs. The atomic bomb was only possible due to the calculations of a UK mathematician, who solved the problem of the compression wave. Turing, one of the twin fathers of computing, was cut out of computing research a little after the war on the demands of the US, due to his sexuality. He was fortunate enough to hook up with the Baby project in Manchester. There are far more, but U-571 is the ultimate insult. Now, we are lagging behind. Too many projects cancelled, or not receiving enough funding. I hate what happened in NYC and Washington. I didn't sleep for 48 hours trying to find out if friends and an ex-lover were OK. Remember that these attacks were not just against the US, it was against the whole Western World Ideal(tm). Many of the companies in the WTC are actually based in other countries. NATO article 5 has been invoked, for the first time ever. Thousands of innocent people have died. ObDG: Dunno. Maybe some PICSES stuff can be made out of the above. I am just too sickened and upset. That article was the last straw. I'm sorry I've lashed out, but I had to say it. Jon -- Jonathan Ward || "Strange, the transfers stopped after about 30,000." School of Engineering || "After 32767?" Aston University || "Oh. Yeah." *click* j.r.ward@aston.ac.uk || [Real conversation at a previous place of work] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:01 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here At 02:00 AM 9/13/2001 -0400, Mr. Zero wrote: >I just scrapped 2 months worth of work on my campaign opener.... >felt sick looking over the notes where I was trying to figure out the >death toll. I'm going through something very similar. I just started a DG campaign last week with Puppet Shows & Shadow Plays and had planned to run The Wild Hunt from UNSEEN MASTERS next week, which is set in New York City. In fact, I had planned for the next several scenarios to all be set in New York. I'm finding it very difficult to concentrate on DG at this point, and thinking of anything DGesque with all this makes me feel sick. I'm finding it hard to concentrate on anything really.... this *is* SAN loss. Gil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jonas Bolander (ERA) [Jonas.Bolander@era.ericsson.se] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:10 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Pentagon bombing Satellite-images of the Pentagon before and after the attack : http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/misc/pentagon_after.shtml I remember the morning I woke up and heard on the radio that the Prime-Minister of our peaceful little country had been assassinated. Suddenly the world was a little darker, a little more threatening. I can only imagine how it must feel for you Americans ... My condolences. /JoB (Whose english vocabulary can't quite match what he wants to express) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gary (Freeserve) [gary@matthewsg2.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:53 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Pentagon bombing Jonas, I'm not sure anybody's vocubulary can quite match what they want to express... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonas Bolander (ERA) To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:09 PM Subject: RE: [DG] Pentagon bombing > Satellite-images of the Pentagon before and after > the attack : > > http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/misc/pentagon_afte r.shtml > > > I remember the morning I woke up and heard on the > radio that the Prime-Minister of our peaceful little > country had been assassinated. Suddenly the world > was a little darker, a little more threatening. > I can only imagine how it must feel for you > Americans ... > My condolences. > > > /JoB > (Whose english vocabulary can't quite match what he > wants to express) > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andrew John Farrow [andrew.j.farrow@btinternet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:13 PM To: the one true list Subject: [DG] TEST . is this list cursed ? OBDG bad things in the jungle ? having come across :- http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_328113.html?menu one has to ask - what the feck is agent turner and his pieces buddies playing with in the jungle - how did it escape and why did he not warn us . NO! , on the other hand full details of agent turner in the jungle playing with his new fungus could be T.M.I. yours - AJ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/