From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:27 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here ---- Original Message ----- From: "ialdaloboth *genzundheit!*" > > >My reaction would have been the same but it made me think, though. > >That would be an "intelligent" (note the quotes) terrorism act : > >Striking at a thrid party and claiming / leaving clues leading to the > >opposite faction, to alienante the third party from the opposition. > > That it would, and that's a pretty scary thought. > > All the same, if this was something by Mossad, I think they'd have just done > one airliner, and left PLO pamphlets in the car. And I really don't think they'd have picked towers in America's most Jewish city, presumably crammed with Jewish people, (who, I think, do follow the stereotype of working in financial services more often than average, to some extent.) --- *** --- Someone mentioned SAN loss - I think they hit the nail on the head. I just keep remembering that SAN loss occurs when you get too far from your illusions and too close to what is real. The people killing pretty blonde flight attendants one at a time until the pilots opened the doors didn't suffer SAN loss, did they? Not a bit. They throve. They functioned superbly. They knew they were going to Paradise. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of PM [mermoud@easynet.fr] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:38 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here >>My reaction would have been the same but it made me think, though. >obdg: I'm sorry... I might be able to think of this in terms of an obdg at >some point in the future, and if others can do it now -- or NEED to do it >now -- they're more than welcome... Apologies for the rudeness, but it just happened that the idea clicked in my mind with an idea I had toyed with for a few days (since re-viewing during a video evening one of my favourite DS9 episode which just deals with this very same idea (planting clues pionting to the Dominion and assassinating an ambassador to get the Romulan Empire to take side with the Federation in the war) and I couldn't help but go on with the thought. I can't say that I'd enjoy GMing it though and I know this story will stay in my drawer for ssome time too. RPGing in the foreseeable future will be in lighter universes. Guess many of us will need this right now. ============================================= Patrice Mermoud mermoud@easynet.fr ============================================= _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:20 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: FW: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here >one of my favourite DS9 episode which just >deals with this very same idea (planting clues pionting to the >Dominion and assassinating an ambassador to get the Romulan Empire >to take side with the Federation in the war) This is actually a common plot, and one that can be useful in gaming and in writing. My favorite use of it was in the movie The Princess Bride. The Sicilian, hired to start a war, kidnaps the Princess and leaves a piece of cloth from the uniform of Guilder on her horse. He then takes her across the sea to Guilder where he plans to kill her. The Prince can then declare war and have the support of his people even though he's the one that hired the Sicilian. If a third party wanted to flush out Delta Green and expose them, they might do so by staging an attack on Outlook officials and leaving evidence at the scene that they were DG agents. Then, when Outlook retaliates, DG is blown. This has always seemed to me to be the easiest way a person "in-the-know" could arrange the dismantling of DG. When you're the smallest of three contestants, always let the other two duke it out first. Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jessthecatasc@eircom.net Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 6:54 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Pentagon bombing well, just shows my awful timing that I return to the list (offlist due to poor home internet access, a old browser, and failing e-mail provider) when something like this is in the air; suddenly, grown adults protesting about children walking up a street to school gets put in an awful perspective. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jessthecatasc@eircom.net Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:04 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here I hope this isnt taken as tactless, and I do apologise if this offends, or it has been discussed (havent read any mails from last two weeks), but just how far is Club Apocalypse from the disaster zone? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bill Nichols [themaninawhitecar@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:32 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here -- jessthecatasc@eircom.net wrote: > I hope this isnt taken as tactless, and I do > apologise if this offends, or it has been > discussed (havent read any mails from last two > weeks), but just how far is Club Apocalypse > from the disaster zone? Quite a ways away, up by Central Park. If you go to: http://www.mapquest.com/ and type in 128 East 98th Street, New York, NY, it will give you a nice map. Bill __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:19 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here On 13 September 2001, not long after another Day that Will Live in Infamy, Bill Nichols wrote: >-- jessthecatasc@eircom.net wrote: > > I hope this isnt taken as tactless, and I do > > apologise if this offends, or it has been > > discussed (havent read any mails from last two > > weeks), but just how far is Club Apocalypse > > from the disaster zone? > >Quite a ways away, up by Central Park. If you go >to: > >http://www.mapquest.com/ > >and type in 128 East 98th Street, New York, NY, >it will give you a nice map. Too bad... I was kinda hoping this got the Club! (In which case, either some GOO would say, "There goes another one! We've got to pull another Alzis out of storage!", or (more likely) Alzis would walk out of the wreckage, dusting himself off...) Here in Charleston, Yeager Airport has reopened today, under increased security, and there is also higher security around the Federal Building, Capitol complex, and the various chemical plants in the area. I tend to look up more often, now, though, as I hear planes flying over, and for years I've been accustomed to them, living under the approach path for Yeager Airport. I've been feeling "down" and a bit jumpy... maybe a touch of PTSD? Like some of the others on the List, I think I've lost a few points of SAN over the past three days! We can read about scenarios such as this in novels, see such things threatened or done in movies, even game such calamities, but it doesn't prepare us for experiencing the real thing! Even for those of us far away from the actual attacks, the television coverage, and the worries about friends of ours in New York and Washington, makes us all eyewitnesses to varying degrees. I'm not sure whether I failed my SAN roll, or I made it, and what I'm feeling is the minimum SAN loss for this sort of thing! (A scary thought, either way!) ObDG: Years ago, in the Sansom Earthquake scenario, one of my characters immediately reported to the local hospital, and offered her assistance (being an MD). (The other PCs could run amuck the way the scenario seems to assume the players will -- this person had what in GURPS would be a Sense of Duty!) I like to think that, if that character was in New York or Washington in a crisis such as this, she would have done the same, or volunteered to help search the rubble... I wonder if being able to feel that one is doing _something_ in such a situation, be it medical aid, search and rescue, or hunting the monsters (human or Mythos) responsible for the carnage, would be worth a bonus on the SAN rolls, as you don't feel quite so much a victim? Or is that simply considered as covered in the SAN awards at the end of the scenario? Sorry if I'm too wordy above -- I initially didn't mean for the post to be this long... Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:15 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here > >obdg: I'm sorry... I might be able to think of this in terms of an obdg >at > >some point in the future, and if others can do it now -- or NEED to do it > >now -- they're more than welcome... > >Apologies for the rudeness, but it just happened that the idea clicked in >my mind with an idea I had toyed with for a few days It's okay, Patrice : ) We're gamers -- we're creative. These things happen. It's just that, in my case, I'm not going to be able to think about this in those terms for some time to come. If you can, or if you have to just to try and keep from screaming, then by all means -- do it. I won't be offended, but please don't be insulted if I say that I probably just won't read it in the depth such a thing would normally deserve. J. Edward _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of PM [mermoud@easynet.fr] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:40 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] False clues common plot (Was Re: Speculation and...) >>one of my favourite DS9 episode which just >This is actually a common plot, and one that can be useful in >gaming and in writing. My favorite use of it was in the movie The >Princess Bride...... I agree completely it's an old plot. One of the nicest use IMO is the clue pointing to the real criminal in the hope that Poirot will find it a false clue, thus think the criminal innocent, in Death on the Nile. What interested me in DS9 was the careful planning at an "official" level (even if Sisko acts without Federation knowledge) (okay you can find this in other fictions, but this episode benefited from a wonderful performance by Avery Brooks that made it more memorable to me). ============================================= Patrice Mermoud mermoud@easynet.fr ============================================= _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of dg@fomalhaut.mmcc.monash.edu.au Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:17 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The mechanics of the day On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Marc J Cassell wrote: > > Now I can't see MJ doing it themselves, but I can think of a reason for > the Mi-go forcing them to. Can you say cascade scenario? If OUTLOOK is involved and responsible then that's what I'd say this is. > > What if OUTLOOK was trying to prevent this. > Could be some use of OUTLOOK to keep people calm and helpful in a major > crisis. Doesn't gel with me. OUTLOOK is what you get when you discard your humanity in the quest to find out why people do what they do. Helpful, humane OUTLOOK just doesn't seem to make sense. On the other hand testing out the theories about cascade scenarios and getting the intelligence community extra funding while you're at it... maybe. > Any Ideas? > The idea that was suggested as we sat in my Lounge room and watched events unfold the other night was that for true horror, the hijackers were DG and this outcome is the best that they could have hoped for. Why would DG do this? I haven't come up with anything to string all 4 planes together yet. The ones in New York are unlikely to be a hit on Alzis, since DG is already aware that Mr A seems to be immune to plane crashes. Maybe someone or some group were trying to summon something to the roof ala Ghostbusters. The building seems to have slightly unusual construction, perhaps something could be made of that. The Pentagon and the 4th plane, a plot to take out all of MJ-12 in one go? The 4th plane was headed for the Country Club. (I think it's close enough, my US geography is sketchy at best) I had thought of doing something in a later campaign where Lepus was set up as a bad guy along with his masters for most of the campaign. Intersperse it with some flashbacks, especially near the end, to show him in a more sympathetic light, and have him turn on MJ-12, providing DG with what they need to bring the group down. This could certainly be the case here. -- Tim Betz http://www.arsimagica.net/~vag/dg/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jon Capps [jon@monster-net.com] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:12 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here Michael Layne wrote: > Like some of the others on the List, I think I've lost a few > points of > SAN over the past three days! We can read about scenarios such > as this in > novels, see such things threatened or done in movies, even game such > calamities, but it doesn't prepare us for experiencing the real > thing! Even > for those of us far away from the actual attacks, the television > coverage, > and the worries about friends of ours in New York and Washington, > makes us > all eyewitnesses to varying degrees. I'm not sure whether I > failed my SAN > roll, or I made it, and what I'm feeling is the minimum SAN loss for this > sort of thing! (A scary thought, either way!) Bear with me; I need a forum to sort this all out. Over the last couple of days, I've been trying to understand what I've been feeling. Or rather, what I've *not* been feeling. I don't know if I'm numb, or hardened, or what, but I haven't felt anything as visceral as what I've been hearing, and I consider myself as red-blooded an American as anybody. My dad is a retired Master Gunnery Sgt, after spending 28 years in the Marine Corps. My Grandfather and his brothers were all Navy in WWII. One of my dad's brother's went into the Army (the other became a missionary--my religious roots are as extensive as my military ones). My family is from the North Carolina mountains, where second-amendment rights are cherished deeply and *everybody* bleeds red, white, and blue. By all rights, soul-felt outrage should be almost knee-jerk for me, but it took me driving around and personally seeing all the flags at half-mast for me to get anything resembling a lump in my throat, or a tear in my eye. My theory, which I'm clinging to desperately, since the alternative scares me more than the attacks did, is that I've become hardened to a large extent. I'm 24 years old. For the first half of my life, I had all I could want, and led a sheltered life. Since I was from an upper-middle class home, and went to a private Baptist school, I had no real concept of divorce; I knew there were 'bad words', but didn't know what they were; I was lucky enough to have not gotten seriously ill; and had not really experienced the death of anyone close to me. When I turned twelve, my family moved, and I entered public school. I developed friends who didn't believe the same way I did. That was a complete shock. During my teenage years my whole world was challenged. About half of my closest friends had their life torn apart by their parents' divorces. Three of my grandparents died. I got extremely ill, and have almost died several times due to liver failure (I've had 2 transplants and will eventually require a third) and diabetic complications, to the point that I seriously face death every couple of years; it's almost become routine for me, now. I met and befriended Stormy Jones, the first person to survive a simultaneous heart-liver transplant. For a little over a year, we always seemed to return to the hospital at about the same time. Then she died, two rooms down the hall from me. Two years ago, my younger brother and only sibling went into a diabetic coma and died in his new apartment a week after finishing his first year at college. Last month I had a severe insulin reaction, causing my blood sugar to drop catastrophically. I was already beginning to cool off when I was taken to the emergency room. If my room mates had not found me when they did I would have died. I've been through a lot of shit. I've dealt with death. I've dealt with death a lot. I've dealt with it on an intensely personal level. I can only hope that somehow, this has mitigated the effect the recent attacks would otherwise make me feel. I have to believe that I've become hardened in some way, because if I haven't then I simply *don't feel* the anger and the outrage that everyone else seems to be dealing with. I can't accept the implications of that possibility. obDG: I don't know. Call it a character study. Call it an exercise in Real World Sanity. Writing this email has been more cathartic than I initially expected it to be. I'm beginning to feel sadness. I'm still not angry. Jon Capps. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Morpheus [morpheus_76@usa.net] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 4:28 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here Gil Trevizo wrote: > [deletia] > I'm finding it very difficult to concentrate on DG at this point, and > thinking of anything DGesque with all this makes me feel sick. These are my same feelings. I've thought how much work and researches we do to bring more realism to our DG games : weapons, technology, sciences, ancient history and religions, geopolitics ... In a way, we try to bring the RealWorld(TM) to our personal, fictional, gritty version of the DG-World(TM). But sometimes is some fearful part of the horror that escapes, and the fact that I use this sort of things just for fun, for entertainment ... well, it make me feel strangely, slightly guilty. I dunno, maybe it's only a psychological reaction, a sort of cultural shock. Monday I've started reading "The little drummer girl" , by LeCarrè. Simply, now I can't go on after the few initial pages. Maybe I'll try when this "wave" will be far. OBDG:absolutely nothing. I'm hoping that all our friends, families, colleagues, and list acquaintences are safe and well... Sorry for the rant. "Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself." [Morpheus] ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:13 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here Greetings. >Monday I've started reading "The little drummer girl" , by LeCarrè. >Simply, now I can't go on after the few initial pages. Maybe I'll try >when this "wave" will be far. Forget the Twin Towers, _this one_ cost me five SAN points. You see, on Monday I started reading "The little drummer girl" by LeCarré, and I just can't go beyond the first few pages to save my life. Then I realized the post was from Morpheus, so he must have got the same cheap edition I got, the one that was published last week. Whew! I was really worried for a few secs. As for being unable to go beyond the first few pages, I blame more the stilted translation than Osama Bin Laden (if it was really him). That, and the fact that I've been reading this back to back with "The Land that Time Forgot". by E.R. Burroughs. ObDG - massive bombing happens after a few characters independently decide to read the same book, that talks about bombings. What next? Davide Mana Torino, Italy PS: my sympathy to all the Yanks out there - as I've mentioned to some off-list, it is a tragic way of being dragged into the twenty-first century. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:03 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Trauma (was Speculation and the scene on the ground here) From: "Michael Layne" > I've been feeling "down" and a bit jumpy... maybe a touch of PTSD? > Like some of the others on the List, I think I've lost a few points of > SAN over the past three days! Seriously, it's something to take note of. I've studied up a bit on PTSD, after some second-hand experience. My dad was in Vietnam, and saw, experienced, and did some pretty nasty stuff. The Unknown Armies "Hardening" effect is quite real from my experience--the man just sealed up, went emotionally numb, for about 15 years or so. Finally got some help, and eventually I got my father back, though he still has his black periods. Basically, from what I've read up on it, PTSD is quite real and it affects *anyone* who's been through trauma, at least a bit. The closer to the trauma (emotionally, more than physically), the greater the effect. Those folks who were right there, but survived, will have it the hardest. But I think every American will get at least a tiny dose, and it helps to recognize it for what it is, talk it out, ride it out, know it'll get better. ObDG? Heck, read up on PTSD and use it for role-playing SAN-loss more realistically. > I wonder if being able to feel that one is doing _something_ in such a > situation, be it medical aid, search and rescue, or hunting the monsters > (human or Mythos) responsible for the carnage, would be worth a bonus on the > SAN rolls, as you don't feel quite so much a victim? I think it would. I gotta tell you, I was feeling pretty damn bad, and I think part of it was being unable to do anything, on the other side of the world. So I tried this: http://www.redcross.org/donate/donate.html Made me feel a little better. Hope it'll help someone else feel a lot better. Funny thing, though--after I donated, I felt a bit guilty for never donating that much before, when other countries were in trouble. So I'm going to make it a regular thing from now on. No reason an agnostic like me can't tithe. Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:27 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] 'I, Virus' at Pyramid Hey folks: Help me out with an ego-boost/ego-deflation, here. My Call of Cthulhu article "I, Virus" ran on Pyramid back in late July, and I just found out about it (I got the check for it on September 11th... talk about bad timing) Anyway, if the pyramid subscribers here could tell me what they thought of it, I'd love to know. It's got DG-capability, so you could probably talk it up or down on the list without getting COOFed, but if you'd rather play it up or down on private email with me, that's cool, too. What I'm really interested to know is if I got the techno-babble and alphabet-soup organization stuff right, and I figure you guys are the ones to know : ) Thanks! J. Edward _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:11 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers From: "Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord" > ObDG: Dunno. Maybe some PICSES stuff can be made out of the above. I am > just too sickened and upset. That article was the last straw. I'm sorry I've > lashed out, but I had to say it. Not only that, but: http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010914/od/sin clair_dc_1.html "Old Radio Script Praising U.S. Is a Web Hit By Wency Leung TORONTO (Reuters) - Words of praise for the United States spoken nearly 30 years ago by a Canadian broadcaster flew around the Internet on Thursday, fooling but providing comfort for the many who thought it was penned in response to Tuesday's attacks by hijacked airliners." Dave http://www.redcross.org/ (PS: Right, that's my last off-topic post--at least for a while. Ready for duty again, sirs and ma'ams.) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of John Daly [jdaly_iv@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:14 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] 'I, Virus' at Pyramid Hey man, how about a direction to a website where the unwashed unclean masses (those who aren't part of the pyramid subscription club) can sign up. John --- ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* wrote: > Hey folks: > > Help me out with an ego-boost/ego-deflation, here. > My Call of Cthulhu > article "I, Virus" ran on Pyramid back in late July, > and I just found out > about it (I got the check for it on September > 11th... talk about bad timing) > > Anyway, if the pyramid subscribers here could tell > me what they thought of > it, I'd love to know. It's got DG-capability, so you > could probably talk it > up or down on the list without getting COOFed, but > if you'd rather play it > up or down on private email with me, that's cool, > too. > > What I'm really interested to know is if I got the > techno-babble and > alphabet-soup organization stuff right, and I figure > you guys are the ones > to know : ) > > Thanks! > > J. Edward > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:30 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] 'I, Virus' at Pyramid --- John Daly schrieb: > Hey man, how about a direction to a website where > the > unwashed unclean masses (those who aren't part of > the > pyramid subscription club) can sign up. > > John it´s one of those moments i heartily recommend to convert and see the light. sjgames even accepts unmarked cash (no questions asked) and you´ll get lots of useful input and plain fun. (and if you remember to say "festusdirk send you" when knocking at the door i´d have even more fun, too) festus __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Shane Ivey [shane@revolutionsf.com] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:31 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] 'I, Virus' at Pyramid I just noticed they finally ran my little "Cthulhu-Fu" article, too. It might be useful, though ialdaloboth's article is better and more useful as original scenario-worthy material. Good virustech in there to throw at the players. I, Virus: http://www.sjgames.com/pyramid/login/article.cgi?2351 Cthulhu-Fu: http://www.sjgames.com/pyramid/login/article.cgi?2393 Shane Ivey Producer, RevolutionSF shane@revolutionsf.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com [mailto:owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com]On Behalf Of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:27 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] 'I, Virus' at Pyramid Hey folks: Help me out with an ego-boost/ego-deflation, here. My Call of Cthulhu article "I, Virus" ran on Pyramid back in late July, and I just found out about it (I got the check for it on September 11th... talk about bad timing) Anyway, if the pyramid subscribers here could tell me what they thought of it, I'd love to know. It's got DG-capability, so you could probably talk it up or down on the list without getting COOFed, but if you'd rather play it up or down on private email with me, that's cool, too. What I'm really interested to know is if I got the techno-babble and alphabet-soup organization stuff right, and I figure you guys are the ones to know : ) Thanks! J. Edward _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:52 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] False clues common plot (Was Re: Speculation and...) -----Original Message----- From: PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Date: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:10 PM Subject: [DG] False clues common plot (Was Re: Speculation and...) >>>one of my favourite DS9 episode which just >>This is actually a common plot, and one that can be useful in >>gaming and in writing. My favorite use of it was in the movie The >>Princess Bride...... > >I agree completely it's an old plot. In the intelligence community, they call it a False Flag Operation: making it seem that a covert operation was performed by different nation or group to cover your true identity. Delta Green does this all the time, in the guise of it's Agents' various agencies. One of my friends is constructing a conspiracy theory that the World Trade Organization riots a while back were connected to the Sept. 11th attacks. The Cult of Transcendance (and all their front organizations) forming an alliance with the Karotechia perhaps... The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of david wienecke [dwienecke@usa.net] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:00 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [Re: [DG] The mechanics of the day] >I haven't come up with anything to string all 4 planes together yet. >The ones in New York are unlikely to be a hit on Alzis, since DG is >already aware that Mr A seems to be immune to plane crashes. >Maybe someone or some group were trying to summon something to the roof >ala Ghostbusters. The building seems to have slightly unusual >construction, perhaps something could be made of that. >The Pentagon and the 4th plane, a plot to take out all of MJ-12 in one >go? The 4th plane was headed for the Country Club. >(I think it's close enough, my US geography is sketchy at best) I have a great deal of sorrow related to the tragic event and I grieve for the many deaths and wounded in this tragedy. Unfortunately my mind ran over time last night while watching the news and here is what came out of it. It is stream of consciousness so stick with me. I think we may be missing something here: The pentagon was built circa WWII of concrete and steel reinforced in a incrediblely short period of time. Several deaths were recorded during the building including (rumor) one person who fell and the body was never recovered (Set in concrete Aztec/Celtic reference anyone?). It was built in a rather swampy and inhospitable area. (Why there?) The building design was originally for an asylum. The Nazi were dabbling in the mythos "arts". German submarines have visited our shores (or at least close to our shores)during WWII. We have a deep one colony off of our coast. Germans had the capability of summoning deep ones. The pentagon could be a cover for a five fold "pentagram" (five sides but only 4 branches of the military). They seem to have a great difficulty in smothering the fires that have continued to burn at the site. (one cropped up again last night) The section affected held a good portion of the NAVAL staff. (revenge for Innsmouth) There may be something under the pentagon that is sealed by the concrete and steel structure (Father Dagon/Mother Hydra). Whatever is under there may now be loose. Job List: Has anyone checked the surfaces of the pentagon (under the interior paneling) for any cryptic writing. In addition when the photographs of the suspects come out we should look for any with the "Innsmouth look' On a side note: There is a very popular hotdog stand in the middle. To our contacts surveillance there have never been any deliveries of meat to said hotdog stand. Dave W. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:04 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here -----Original Message----- From: Michael Layne To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Date: Thursday, September 13, 2001 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here > (In which case, either some GOO would say, "There goes another one! >We've got to pull another Alzis out of storage!", or (more likely) Alzis >would walk out of the wreckage, dusting himself off...) After being hit by a jet airliner, cooked in a 2000 degree fire and having two of the world's largest buildings dropped directly onto his head in the deadliest terrorist act in history, New York businessman and WEE CEO Stephan Alzis was noted as saying "Ouch!" Soon afterwards two related gentlemen dressed in black suits, sunglasses and black hats crawled out of the wreckage and performed a blues set at Club Apocalypse later in the day. They were noted by onlookers to have said "Gawd! Not this again!" The Man in Black is : going to burn in hell for this post. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:07 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here From: Davide Mana >ObDG - massive bombing happens after a few characters independently decide >to read the same book, that talks about bombings. >What next? You read books and stories containing lots of perverted sex and obscene amounts of money. The Man in Black is : the author writing those manuscripts. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of david wienecke [dwienecke@usa.net] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:10 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here] >Davide Mana wrote: >Greetings. >PS: my sympathy to all the Yanks out there - as I've mentioned to some >off-list, it is a tragic way of being dragged into the twenty-first >century. Our innocents to the plight that the rest of the world as been living with for years is lost. While we have a possibility of 10 to 15,000 dead there has been a war in South Africa that has killed millions that has yet to rate a significant news article in the US. I grieve but maybe it will help us as Americans feel a little more as individuals when we hear about an earthquake that kills 20K in a third world country. Dave W. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:19 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] 'I, Virus' at Pyramid From: ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* >Anyway, if the pyramid subscribers here could tell me what they thought of >it, I'd love to know. It's got DG-capability, so you could probably talk it >up or down on the list without getting COOFed, but if you'd rather play it >up or down on private email with me, that's cool, too. GURPS Aliens introduced the RIDERS, a sentient virus race. I'm surprised you made no mention of them. GURPS Creatures of the Night had a variant called Dark Riders who were a bit more violent and moody than your average Rider. The Riders were actually scarier than your version. They spread like a sentient epidemic, and could infect a wide variety of alien animals, as well as vegetation (plant based aliens in particular). Although a TL10 vaccine/treatment existed for the common version (within the grasp of Majestic perhaps), the Dark Rider strain is not known to have any cure or treatment. The Gaumont Virus might be the result of Majestic trying to develop a vaccine, which subsequently mutates into a sentient version. Rider infected species would sometimes communicate with each other by swapping RNA, this would be accomplished by peculiar long lasting osculation in most species. A rather odd behavior that might be worth 0/1 or so to witness. A Majestic operation to inoculate the population with a vaccine against this alien threat might make for an interesting Delta Green investigation. Body Snatchers, well-timed betrayals by infected agents on both sides, infected Mi-Go and Greys... it has that "KEEPS GETTING WORSE AND WORSE" vibe that I love so much. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 4:06 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here Hey, humour is in short supply at the moment. Any post which can make people laugh is good - and I don't think anyone will be offended by this post. We're all adults here. Plus, it's human nature to divert from the huge bad things by focusing on other things.(not going to say trivial..no-one here'd trust me again for belitteling DG so ;) Stephan Alzis, when asked for a quote, was said to have denied claims that he uttered any exclamation of pain, but rather said 'Drat, now I'll need a new office building,' 'Hmm, Carcosa seems to have come early this year,' and 'Well, *really*. You help a Nazi once, and what do you get? And this was a new suit.' After these cryptic remarks, he was reported to have gone to an undisclosed location, reputedly to draw up plans for an invasion of Brazil. Voidchaser, hoping no-one will take this post too seriously. > -----Original Message----- >From: Michael Layne >To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com >Date: Thursday, September 13, 2001 5:45 PM >Subject: Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here > > (In which case, either some GOO would say, "There goes another one! >We've got to pull another Alzis out of storage!", or (more likely) >Alzis >would walk out of the wreckage, dusting himself off...) > > >After being hit by a jet airliner, cooked in a 2000 degree fire and >having two of the world's largest buildings dropped directly onto his >head in the deadliest terrorist act in history, New York businessman and >WEE CEO Stephan Alzis was noted as saying "Ouch!" Soon afterwards two >related gentlemen dressed in black suits, sunglasses and black hats >crawled out of the wreckage and performed a blues set at Club Apocalypse >later in the day. They were noted by onlookers to have said "Gawd! Not >this again!" > >The Man in Black is : going to burn in hell for this post. >Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum >http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] >http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] > > > -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 4:48 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here Now that the humor barrier seems to be crossed and a few posts have gone up putting this in game terms, I'll offer the following. (This will be the last time I preface this kinda thing with justification. I think we are all in agreement that nobody's trying to be offensive and we're all just coping by fictionalizing.) It occurred to me the other day that it would be hard to imagine what a city would look like while it's being absorbed by Carcosa. Surely the cacophony and hectic pace of business in the World Trade Center could be interpreted as chaotic and entropic. Could it be, then, that the WTC was selected to be added to Carcosa and the events we've all witnessed are how that transferal manifested here? Perhaps the City now has a shiny new pair of giant Victorian towers, and the KiY has a new group of subjects. After all, who's to say that entire cities need to be absorbed at once? Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of CelticHound [celtichound@foobox.net] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 7:01 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here] "david wienecke" : > Our innocents to the plight that the rest of the world as been living with for > years is lost. > While we have a possibility of 10 to 15,000 dead there has been a war in South > Africa that has killed millions that has yet to rate a significant news > article in the US. > I grieve but maybe it will help us as Americans feel a little more as > individuals when we hear about an earthquake that kills 20K in a third world > country. Do you happen to know of a good (or have a preferred) generalist site where I could read up on this? I'd really like to get some perspective, now. -- CH _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of CelticHound [celtichound@foobox.net] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 7:17 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here "Jon Capps" wrote: > I've dealt with death. I've dealt with death a lot. I've dealt with it on > an intensely personal level. I can only hope that somehow, this has > mitigated the effect the recent attacks would otherwise make me feel. I > have to believe that I've become hardened in some way, because if I haven't > then I simply *don't feel* the anger and the outrage that everyone else > seems to be dealing with. > > I can't accept the implications of that possibility. If it helps any, you're not the only one. My reactions are similar - sadness and a need to know "why?". ("Because they hate us." "But why?" "There's no way we can understand anyone who would do something like that." "But why? They're people, too." "No, anyone who would do that isn't a human in my book." "But they weren't always that way. So what happened?" silence) But what are these implications you can't accept? I'm really curious. (And perhaps a bit anxious.) This whole affair has left me feeling a touch more alienated from the people of my country. Have you wanted to yell, "No, no! Not a trial and executions and temporary security measures and fading memories and then finally business as usual! Don't make it all for nothing! In fifty or a hindered years, what will the history books say about this? What will we *make* the history books say about this?" So does this put me on the way to Carcosa or what? -- CH _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of moorebros@earthlink.net Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 7:28 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Hound Attack Hi All, I am starting the second chapter in my DG campaign, the Tcho Tcho investigation outlined in Countdown. I’m moving the setting from Chicago to New Orleans, because I grew up in the area. There is a large Asian shrimping community for the Tcho Tcho to infiltrate and terrorize. I had a few questions that maybe the list can help me with. 1) First the hound is attacking Reverb users. I need to flesh out the crime scenes. I was hoping if I threw out a few ideas, then the DGML could fill them in like a demented Mad Lib. What are the signs of a Hound attack? Here are my three ideas… --A homosexual doctor takes an overdose of Reverb while in the sack with a budding political figure. This should occur in an empty St. Charles Mansion. What I see as remains of the attack are: No obvious signs of entry. A brutal death of the good doctor(that I’d like to stretch out a little, like the Hound was toying with the doctor). And what else? Blue slime on the drapes? A residue of billowing smoke from the corners? I want the political figure to survive. This will give me an unwilling eyewitness to the attack who will pressure the police to keep the attack quiet. Maybe someone could provide a few lines for me to read aloud during his interrogation. --A slaughter on the Mississippi River levee. Actually levee parties aren’t that common, too many mosquitoes. But I’m thinking it was a group of highschoolers drinking a little beer and trying out this cool new drug, Reverb. One girl overdoses and the Hound shows up. Since everybody has had a little, it would be a chase all over the levee and perhaps into the poor neighborhoods along River Road. --The third attack I’m considering would happen on the St Charles Street Car. I think this would be a great one for one, or more, of the agents to actually be driving up St Charles and look over and see. The victim is a waiter coming back from his French Quarter job. He scored some Reverb just before he got on the Street Car and did way too much. Can the PC board the street car? Can they pop off a few rounds to find out just how ineffective bullets are? Can they save the poor bastard? I am open to suggestions. Roger Moore _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Rodemaker [dar@horusinc.com] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:27 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here > After being hit by a jet airliner, cooked in a 2000 degree fire and > having two of the world's largest buildings dropped directly onto his > head in the deadliest terrorist act in history, New York businessman and > WEE CEO Stephan Alzis was noted as saying "Ouch!" Soon afterwards two > related gentlemen dressed in black suits, sunglasses and black hats > crawled out of the wreckage and performed a blues set at Club Apocalypse > later in the day. They were noted by onlookers to have said "Gawd! Not > this again!" > > The Man in Black is : going to burn in hell for this post. Probably... But it *was* funny. And we *all* need funny at the moment. David _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of CelticHound [celtichound@foobox.net] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:32 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here David R replying to the MiB: > > The Man in Black is : going to burn in hell for this post. > > Probably... > > But it *was* funny. > > And we *all* need funny at the moment. And I wouldn't worry about it, if I were you. Weren't there already more than enough other reasons? -- CH _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of dg@fomalhaut.mmcc.monash.edu.au Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:12 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] False clues common plot (Was Re: Speculation and...) On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, The Man in Black wrote: > One of my friends is constructing a conspiracy theory that the World > Trade Organization riots a while back were connected to the Sept. 11th > attacks. The Cult of Transcendance (and all their front organizations) > forming an alliance with the Karotechia perhaps... > In case they aren't aware, the 1st big organised protest against the WTO or possibly the Commonwealth Business Forum (I can't remember) in Australia happened on September 11 last year (usually referred to as the S11 protests, the group is big on numbers, just like all good conspiracies) The group that organised it has a website at http://www.s11.org -- Tim Betz _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 3:06 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Hound Attack Ok, here goes... 1) OK, there aren't any definite signs of hound attack as far as I know - they leave very little evidence of their passing. However, you could have the politicians sanity dipping quite low, and his family or associates cover it up as he's in no state to. This means that when the investigators talk to him you could paraphrase parts of the hound description in the COC book and have him gibbering abou the 'angles of time' - not to mention being deathly afraid of corners. Any good? As for the other two, what are your questions? You seem to have two springboards for scenarios, but not many questions about them. Hope this can be of some use. Voidchaser. 'Talk to the hand, bec-arrrgh!!! The mouths! >Hi All, > >I am starting the second chapter in my DG campaign, the Tcho Tcho >investigation outlined in Countdown. I’m moving the setting from Chicago >to New Orleans, because I grew up in the area. There is a large Asian >shrimping community for the Tcho Tcho to infiltrate and terrorize. I had >a few questions that maybe the list can help me with. > >1) First the hound is attacking Reverb users. I need to flesh out the >crime scenes. I was hoping if I threw out a few ideas, then the DGML >could fill them in like a demented Mad Lib. What are the signs of a >Hound attack? Here are my three ideas… > >--A homosexual doctor takes an overdose of Reverb while in the sack with >a budding political figure. This should occur in an empty St. Charles >Mansion. What I see as remains of the attack are: No obvious signs of >entry. A brutal death of the good doctor(that I’d like to stretch out a >little, like the Hound was toying with the doctor). And what else? Blue >slime on the drapes? A residue of billowing smoke from the corners? > >I want the political figure to survive. This will give me an unwilling >eyewitness to the attack who will pressure the police to keep the attack >quiet. Maybe someone could provide a few lines for me to read aloud >during his interrogation. > >--A slaughter on the Mississippi River levee. Actually levee parties >aren’t that common, too many mosquitoes. But I’m thinking it was a group >of highschoolers drinking a little beer and trying out this cool new >drug, Reverb. One girl overdoses and the Hound shows up. Since everybody >has had a little, it would be a chase all over the levee and perhaps >into the poor neighborhoods along River Road. > >--The third attack I’m considering would happen on the St Charles Street >Car. I think this would be a great one for one, or more, of the agents >to actually be driving up St Charles and look over and see. The victim >is a waiter coming back from his French Quarter job. He scored some >Reverb just before he got on the Street Car and did way too much. Can >the PC board the street car? Can they pop off a few rounds to find out >just how ineffective bullets are? Can they save the poor bastard? > >I am open to suggestions. > >Roger Moore > > > >_______________________________________ >The Delta Green Mailing List >http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/