From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:50 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Hound Attack From: > 1) OK, there aren't any definite signs of hound attack as far as I know - they leave very little evidence of their passing. What about the bloodless holes in the victim and the weird, blue, poisonous ichor smeared everywhere? Anyone using Hounds really needs to check out _Unseen Masters_, the best Chaosium supplement since _Beyond the Mountains of Madness_. Tons of Hound stuff, including ideas about the Lords of Tindalos and why they hate us. Even if you decide it's not quite for you, it's a great font of ideas. (Personally, I haven't used a published adventure "straight" and unaltered in about 15 years, no matter how good it was.) Dave http://www.redcross.org/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 8:11 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] 'I, Virus' at Pyramid >From: "The Man in Black" >GURPS Aliens >introduced the RIDERS, a sentient virus race. I'm surprised >you made no mention of them. Well... this is the first time I've ever heard of them, to be honest. This is what I get for not using GURPS? (good thing I got the most recent ed recently...) J. Edward _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 10:28 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Chain of CONTROL, was Re: [DG] 'I, Virus' at Pyramid From: ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* >>From: "The Man in Black" >GURPS Aliens >>introduced the RIDERS, a sentient virus race. I'm surprised >>you made no mention of them. > >Well... this is the first time I've ever heard of them, to be honest. You're pathetic. WHAT? You make me sick. WHAT? Are you proud of yourself? With your new copy of GURPS? WHAT? LOOKATCHA! You make me sick! WHAT? >This is what I get for not using GURPS? (good thing I got the most recent ed >recently...) The Illuminati have ways of punishing you for your unenlightened ways so profound and tragic that you'll soon be adoring Teen Pop Sensations and telling people door to door how you gave up all those silly roleplaying games and crackpot conspiracy theories in the name of your personal savior Jesus Christ. Anyhow, I place the RIDERS and the Insects from Shaggai and the Body Snatchers and Astral Parasites and the Puppet Masters, and all the other aliens with a parasitic takeover ability into an awful conspiracy called THE CONTROLLERS. THE CONTROLLERS are a horrible horrible parasitic ecology. A typical Chain of Control works like this: You have at the bottom a Human with a Shan in his head, both the Shan and the Human each contain a colony of sentient Rider Virii, The Human and their Shan tenant are also infected with Neurospores, a peculiar fungi-like organism that replaces nerve tissue and has a peculiar intelligence of it's own. So far we have FIVE minds in one human body (four alien and one human). But of course there's more... Each of the FIVE minds is possesed by an Astral Parasite, making a grand total of TEN. But then there are other alien spirit entities further out in the Astral Plane that can feed off and dominate Astral Parasites. The Shan on Earth are somewhat removed from this ecology. Apparantly the CONTROLLERS have yet to involve themselves with Earth, perhaps fearing the imminent return of the Great Old Ones, or discovery by the Mi-Go or some other race. It is also possible that the CONTROLLERS have not fully infested the Shan for reasons that humanity can never know (such as proximity to Xada-Hgla). Regardless, the SPOOKSHOW Psionic Gestalt (one of many gestalts forming the loosely knit global overmind of INVISIBLE) have detected some heavily CONTROLLED Shan tenants on Earth. This, along with INVISIBLE's fear of detection by the Mi-Go, has hampered SPOOKSHOW efforts to reduce Shan operations in the UK. The psychic sensitives used as catspaws by the much more powerful psionics of the SPOOKSHOW have had their memories telepathically edited by the Gestalt in order to preserve their sanity in the naked face of the CONTROLLERS. The unauthorized PISCES investigation into Severn Aerospace's terraforming and ecological "biosphere" research continues... The Man in Black has : everything under control. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 11:30 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Hound Attack D'oh! Sorry about that. I hadn't woken up yet. Well, *apart* from the holes they don't leave much evidence. Oh, and the ichor. Musn't forget the ichor. ;) Voidchaser, who stands corrected. Hey, it's nice here! 'Talk to the hand bec-arrrgh!!! The mouths! > From: > 1) OK, there aren't any definite signs of hound attack as far as I know - >they leave very little evidence of their passing. > >What about the bloodless holes in the victim and the weird, blue, poisonous >ichor smeared everywhere? > >Anyone using Hounds really needs to check out _Unseen Masters_, the best >Chaosium supplement since _Beyond the Mountains of Madness_. Tons of Hound >stuff, including ideas about the Lords of Tindalos and why they hate us. >Even if you decide it's not quite for you, it's a great font of ideas. >(Personally, I haven't used a published adventure "straight" and unaltered >in about 15 years, no matter how good it was.) > >Dave >http://www.redcross.org/ > > -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 11:46 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com; deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: Chain of CONTROL, was Re: [DG] 'I, Virus' at Pyramid Under control?! Yeah right! Next you'll be telling us that a rag-tag band of English rebels are successfully evading capture by the overwhelming forces of the Shan-controlled UK government and Stephan Alzis and there were survovors from the razed Tcho-Tcho villages in Cambodia!(or is my geography up the creek again?) Voidchaser is: Having fun debunking all these unlikely rumours. >The Man in Black has : everything under control. >Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum >http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] >http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] > > > >_______________________________________ >The Delta Green Mailing List >http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Alek James Hidell [aj_hide11@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 11:22 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Hound Attack > 1) OK, there aren't any definite signs of hound attack as far as I know - they leave very little evidence of their passing. However, you could have the politicians sanity dipping quite low, and his family or associates cover it up as he's in no state to. This means that when the investigators talk to him you could paraphrase parts of the hound description in the COC book and have him gibbering abou the 'angles of time' - not to mention being deathly afraid of corners. Any good? But would a sanity smitten individual even know about the angles of time aspect to the Hound? He might go on and on about the Hound arising from some fold - an envelope for example, or the inside of the doctor's elbow - but he simply wouldn't know about angles of time. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of CelticHound [celtichound@foobox.net] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:15 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Daily Market Commentary [obDG: perhaps for more realistic depiction of reactions to disasters.] From: "Robert Levitt" To: Subject: Daily Market Commentary Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:27:01 -0400 LEVITT CAPITAL MANAGEMENT, LLC CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS INTERNAL USE ONLY September 12, 2001 2:00 p.m. DJIA: closed 0.00% SPX: closed 0.00% NASDAQ closed 0.00% TSC INTERNET closed 0.00% BLOOMBERG EURO 190.88 1.69% 2 YEAR 3.38% 5 YEAR 4.34% 10 YEAR 4.83% 30 YEAR 5.44% TIP (1/15/11) 3.25% Real Yield Major News from Bloomberg: U.S. Stock, Bond Trading May Open Tomorrow; SEC Meets With Market Leaders U.S. financial markets may open tomorrow after being halted for two days by the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history. *Risk of Global Recession Increases as Consumer Confidence Hurt by Attacks *European Stocks Rebound in Second Trading Day After Attack; Nikkei Plunges *Bush Vows to Defeat Enemy Guilty of 'Act of War': Seeks Emergency Funding ANALYSIS Let us recognize that the future will not look like the present. In these difficult times we send our thoughts and condolences to all those that are being drawn into this unfolding nightmare. Our sympathy with those involved is beyond expression. I do not know how to write my usual commentary. Quite suddenly what seemed important is now insignificant. Certainly economic statistics and moving averages no longer have any relevance. Are we looking at a Middle East War? How do you reply to attacks by Bin Laden? We have been unable to contact all our investment managers (many phone lines in N.Y. remain down) but we do not know of any, with the exception of our bond brokers, that were specifically located in the Wall Street area. We have heard that our bond brokers left Wall Street after the first plane crashed and we understand that they are safe. Our hedge fund of funds have contacted all of their managers and they have reported to us that they are safe. We are also monitoring the hedge fund Internet sites from London and the message boards. The initial reaction to the markets was very negative. The US did not open and remains closed. We do not know when it will reopen. Traders or other investors that have a need for liquidity sold assets in any market that was open. In addition, the uncertainty caused by the attack meant that many traders did not want to take a position. So the initial knee jerk reaction was to sell. As you know, we have been positioning the portfolio for a declining market and are in very defensive positions. We purchased commodities (natural gas), reduced equities, made non-US dollar investments and purchased US government securities. However, we no longer believe the market will decline significantly. In fact, based on what we know today, we expect the markets to shortly begin to rally significantly. Especially manufacturing, defense, oil, cycling materials The democracies have been in an undeclared war for years and could not act, because it was undeclared. The war is now official, and military law has to replace diplomacy. It is inconceivable that the perpetrators of this ignominy could win. They would win if financial markets were allowed to collapse, spreading fear and destruction even further. They would win if the panic were to allow a downward spiral in economic activity. This has to be countered very strongly by Governments (tax cuts, increased spending....). In the short term, Saudi Arabia and oil producers have to be told in no uncertain terms to sell oil massively in the futures markets and to take the price of oil to US$20, fast, thus giving an immediate tax cut to the rest of the world. Oil prices have to plummet. In parallel, with oil falling, the central banks of the world are going to provide massive amounts of liquidity to compensate for the expected collapse in the velocity of money (hoarding of cash). The insurance industry is going to be hit very hard. They cannot take a decline in the value of their assets, on top of such a disaster. In similar circumstances (i.e: Kennedy assassination), money management firms in the US gave recommendations to their managers not to sell, and if possible to buy. The Trade Tower disaster may result in the largest insurance case in history, possibly as large as $20 billion. Ironically, control of the Twin Towers for the next 99 years was transferred to the Silverman interests only two months ago. Exactly how the buildings were insured is not quite clear, and this could end up in a huge court case. Were they insured for bombing, for war, was this an act of war? All questions that will be coming up. Central bank independence is a peace time concept. In a time of war, keeping an already grotesque inflation targeting would be a diplomatic slap in the face of the US Government in a time of need. The ECB will have to cut and cut massively. It will also have to go into the markets and be seen aggressively buying bonds. Central banks will not be able to sit back and see the balance sheets of financial institutions fall. They will get together and prop up the market or conduct "life boat" style operations similar to the one mounted in England in 1974. We do believe that there was a team set up of World Central Bankers who have been in planning for a disaster. There has also been planning by the heads of all US departments including the military. They were charged with having a plan ready to deal with international economic stability in the event of disasters such as this. They have been playing war-games on simulators since 99 to prepare for emergencies like yesterday. Do not forget the plans are made. Press the button and it all starts happening. So what next? Throw everything at the US economy. Damnation to balanced budgets. Spend everything necessary - lower interest rates - flood the economy with money. The recession must be ended. The party differences for a while will disappear. Spend everything necessary on national defense. Produce American oil wherever it may be found. We must end dependence on Arab oil. Eventually create inflation - but not immediately. The World Central Bankers will also flood their countries with liquidity. Many governments co-operate over economic stimulation. Central banks will coordinate currencies. The total interventionist system moves into action. We have seen time and time again the American citizens "rally around the flag." We expect more of the same. Managing companies for next quarter's profits is a peace time concept. In a "rally around the flag" mood, no chief executive will fire workers. As such, while the initial impact of the blast should hit consumer confidence, it could, in the long term, boost it. The rally around the flag will also mean that, over the next few weeks, the media will focus on the spontaneous acts of courage and generosity displayed by the people of New York. No newspaper will carry a downbeat story for the next six months. In this kind of environment, if we saw a panic sell off in the equity markets, we would become very bullish about equities. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of david wienecke [dwienecke@usa.net] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 1:23 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here]] >Do you happen to know of a good (or have a preferred) generalist site >where I could read up on this? I'd really like to get some >perspective, now. >-- CH Time for me to eat a bit of crow: The war I was referring to was the civil war in Burundi (A small CENTRAL African country). The actual death total was on the order of 200,000 not a million. In retrospect million was a little high for a casualty figure considering there are only 6 million in Burundi but I think a @ 3% of the population dead is a little impressive. That's what happens when your at work and don't check you sources before you type. Dave W. http://www.oneworld.org/ips2/may00/15_05_046.html http://fas.org/man/dod-101/ops/war/2000/01/ http://www.cdi.org/issues/World_at_War/wwar00.html http://www.mathaba.net/africa2020/burundi/ http://allafrica.com/burundi/ http://www.burundi.org/english/frames/right_1.html http://www.oneworld.org/news/africa/burundi.html http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/sep1999/buru-s22.shtml http://archive.nandotimes.com/noframes/story/0,2107,500306347-500491365-503415520-0,00.html http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/africa/04/18/burundi.profile/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 3:33 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: Chain ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Man in Black" > > THE CONTROLLERS are a horrible horrible parasitic ecology. A typical > Chain of Control works like this: You have at the bottom a Human And just to point out the human is parasitic on a host of other entities. If he's a high-status individual, he's leeching off other humans. Humanity as a whole lives off domestic animals and plants, and the domestic animals live off nondomesticated plants. And the plants, domestic or not, live parasitically off the tiny chloroplast-slaves within their cells, which once were separate entities . --- *** --- I ponder the idea that the true Chain of Being is set up on this basis. Parasites ruling their hosts, who are in turn parasitic on simpler entities, down to the simplest microorganisms. And in the other direction, a hierarchy of such exploitation, leading upwards, by subtle routes, to the GOO. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 3:49 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Daily Market Commentary >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "CelticHound" >> Subject: [DG] Daily Market Commentary Good god, agent! You don't play the stock market, do you? What viper have we nestled in our midst? --- *** --- Interesting. > In the short term, Saudi Arabia and oil producers have to be told in no > uncertain terms to sell oil massively in the futures markets and to take the > price of oil to US$20, fast, thus giving an immediate tax cut to the rest of > the world. Oil prices have to plummet. Yeah. But Saudi has a population doubling every twenty years, Islamic demography, which is why it really, really, needs that price to stay high. Maybe they will cut for a few months, but not for good, Oh dear me, no. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:56 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] ... to hell in a bucket Greetings. I know we should avoid politics and all that jazz, but I just got a little snippet in my mail that really made my day. Mind you, I did get tons of weird shit from the web these days, from call to arms to sick propaganda to a neatly packaged little virus (turns out Mana is a rather common family name in Moslem countries, so I was the target of some lone justice from a friendly mailing list of which I'm an occasional poster). But of all weird crap that filled my mailbox this week, I think the scariest bit is the following.... >" Imagine there's no country and no religion too" Lennon > >This war will be fought in the name of goodness and out of love for the >generations who are to follow after we have gone ! > > I, for one, wish it well . I won't even touch the concept of war "fought in the name of goodness and out of love". You get all sorts and all that. Quite simply, looks like the hype is having the desired effects. But what about John Lennon, former NY resident (he left with a grudge), dead Beatle, and Liverpool-grown god, elected to the role of official soundtrack of this sorry affair? All I get from my TV has "Imagine" playing in the background. It started on MTV but it's spreading. You get these slow-mo pictures of NY streets and "Imagine" as muzak. Interviews, too; someone telling his story, then a snippet off the "Jealous Guy" video, John holding hands with Yoko, but "Imagine" playing. What's in a song? And why? Take care out there. Davide Mana Still prefers George Harrison Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 5:24 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] ... to hell in a bucket ----- Original Message ----- From: "Davide Mana" > > But what about John Lennon, former NY resident (he left with a grudge), > dead Beatle, and Liverpool-grown god, elected to the role of official > soundtrack of this sorry affair? > All I get from my TV has "Imagine" playing in the background. It started on > MTV but it's spreading. Ick yuck. I agree that the idea of John Lennon taking over everywhere is distressing, even more if he has returned from the dead, but realistically that is not what we are facing here, I hope. There is the possibility that (M)TV-reality is taking over consensus reality, I suppose. In which case I'm off to worship big C and ask him to wake up and intervene right now. Sorry, but there are limits. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Julian Breen [jules@bigjules.demon.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:13 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [Re: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here] david wienecke writes: >Our innocents to the plight that the rest of the world as been living with for >years is lost. >While we have a possibility of 10 to 15,000 dead there has been a war in South >Africa that has killed millions that has yet to rate a significant news >article in the US. >I grieve but maybe it will help us as Americans feel a little more as >individuals when we hear about an earthquake that kills 20K in a third world >country. > Well said David. And exactly the kind of American response that the fanatics are _not_ hoping for. -- Julian Breen _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 10:28 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] ... to hell in a bucket >But of all weird crap that filled my mailbox this week, I think the >scariest bit is the following.... (snip) Ugh! I'm sure John is not amused. Hopefully Yoko will exercise control of the estate and have the use of his songs yanked. But... This is an example of confrontationeering. Even in spite of what's happened, the population still has to be rallied and encouraged to think of war as a positive thing. Not everyone is going to agree with what's going to happen: those who would agree must be bolstered, and those who might agree should be swayed over to the party line. Remember in the Gulf War we were all told to fly yellow ribbons? That's from an old song: a guy's getting out of jail, and he's telling his gal that if she still wants him, tie a yellow ribbon to the old oak tree. If she doesn't, he'll see it's not there and keep going. Tie that in with the Gulf War having been credited with breaking our fears about declaring war due to Vietnam. Rehabilitation. A second chance. Now... what this has to do with 'Imagine' I have no fucking idea. Any ideas? J. Edward _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 12:56 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: Chain of CONTROL, was Re: [DG] 'I, Virus' at Pyramid The man in black ejaculated thusly upon his keyboard: >You're pathetic. WHAT? You make me sick. WHAT? Are you proud of >yourself? With your new copy of GURPS? WHAT? LOOKATCHA! You make me >sick! WHAT? >The Illuminati have ways of punishing you for your unenlightened ways so >profound and tragic that you'll soon be adoring Teen Pop Sensations and >telling people door to door how you gave up all those silly roleplaying >games and crackpot conspiracy theories in the name of your personal >savior Jesus Christ. Oh yeah? OH YEAH?!?!? Well... you and your gosharootie caca poopie-doopie conspiracy can take this! (_|_) d:< (me) 0 0 0 0 0 (: O (MIB) And I got more than enough of that to go around!!!!!!! J. "Ex-Lax" Edward _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Tolga Yanaşık [yanasikt@superonline.com] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 2:35 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] condolences Greetings, Being always one of the laggards of the list, I just got the time to offer my sincerest condolences to all those affected by the terrorist acts of September 11. For more than 15 years we have lived side by side in our country with extreme terrorism, I know what it feels like and hope that peace and common sense prevail in the end. http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/336291/4/ Take a look, and see how many Nostradamuses are around. See you, Tolga YANASIK Istanbul/TURKIYE _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 7:04 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Hound Attack Don't forget, SAN loss can be a sudden understanding of how the world *really* works. The guy could have seen the hound emerging - maybe he's read an account by a certain brilliant mathematician who later died in mysterious circumstances - and suddenly understand *how* it happens. His brain, stretching to contain this sudden insight into the fabric of reality, reels and snaps. I mean, who knows what books this guy could have read before getting into politics? I just suggest it as a possibility. Reality is malleable here, after all. Voidchaser. >But would a sanity smitten individual even know about the angles of time >aspect to the Hound? He might go on and on about the Hound arising from >some fold - an envelope for example, or the inside of the doctor's elbow - >but he simply wouldn't know about angles of time. >_______________________________________ >The Delta Green Mailing List >http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 7:18 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: Chain of CONTROL, was Re: [DG] 'I, Virus' at Pyramid You know, I think our criteria for choosing agents may be slipping slightly. Either that, or Agent Edward has taken some serious SAN loss recently. Dude, he's the MIB. Don't encourage him. He b**ches enough on this list already ;). Voidchaser, Who Wants The Madness To Stop. MIB Baiter/Taunter #9,768,000,000.(me and most of the rest of the free world) *sniff* *sniff* Hey guys! Free testosterone! >Oh yeah? OH YEAH?!?!? > >Well... you and your gosharootie caca poopie-doopie conspiracy can take >this! > >(_|_) d:< (me) > 0 > 0 > 0 > > 0 > > 0 >(: O (MIB) >> >And I got more than enough of that to go around!!!!!!! > >J. "Ex-Lax" Edward > > > > > > -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 9:43 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Dark City: Possible DG ideas. I saw 'Dark City' last night. Really cool noir feel to it. Plus, the plot has definite DG openings. Basically, the protaganist wakes up in a bath, in a hotel room, with no memory of who he is and a dead call girl nearby who has been stabbed to death and had mysterious spiral pattersn drawn on her in blood. Oh, and the hero has no memory. The movie just gets better from there, with mysterious bald guys who can fly and do other freaky stuff chasing him. If nothing else, it'd make a great OUTLOOK scenario. It also seems very much like The Matrix in places - wonder how much of The Matrix was original plot... Still, this is a dark movie. The ending's a bit pat, but hey, with a little Keeper ingenuity, this could be a fun thing to adapt. www.darkcity.com has a very professional setup although I'm not sure how much info it actually contains - my computer hates Flash, Shockwave, etc. In short, dark and intriguing, and made by the same guy who did The Crow. Voidchaser, Movie Buff. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Alek James Hidell [aj_hide11@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 10:31 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Dark City: Possible DG ideas. I see "Dark City" and "The Matrix" as having a sort of "Die Hard"/ "Under Seige" relationship. "Die hard" and "Dark City" innovated the type, while "The Matrix" and "Under Seige" are just pale imitations. There is a lot of material from "Dark City" that transfers well to Delta Green. 1) When you see the buildings changing and the streets reshuffling, that's how I imagine Carcosa to look and behave. In fact, the city in "Dark City" is probably a close as cinema will ever get to capturing Carcosa on celluloid. If my campaign ever gets to Carcosa, I intend to prime my players with selected scenes from "Dark City". 2) The spooky floating bald guys (sorry, the name escapes me) are not only dead ringers for the various personalities of the Hastur Mythos, but would make a dandy servitor race in other scenarios as well. Although they behave as though they serve a "higher" power, they also exhibit enough autonomy to qualify as an independent race as well. Much as I enjoy the preformance of Hugo Waering (Agent Smith from "the Matrix"), these bald dudes are much scarier than "Matrix" agents. 3) There's the whole existentialist, you-haven't-got-a-chance feeling to "Dark City" as well. The choices that Rufus Sewell has to make in "Dark City" are more Delta Greenish than those Keanu Reeves has to make in "The Matrix". Ultimately, if Neo lives up to his destiny, he will destroy the Matrix and set humanity free. In "Dark City", our hero has no such chance. Instead, he has to decide how he can make conditions better for the other humans trapped there. It's like Neo taking over the Matrix to the benefit of humanity. "> I saw 'Dark City' last night. Really cool noir feel to it. Plus, the plot has definite DG openings. Basically, the protaganist wakes up in a bath, in a hotel room, with no memory of who he is and a dead call girl nearby who has been stabbed to death and had mysterious spiral pattersn drawn on her in blood. Oh, and the hero has no memory. The movie just gets better from there, with mysterious bald guys who can fly and do other freaky stuff chasing him. If nothing else, it'd make a great OUTLOOK scenario. It also seems very much like The Matrix in places - wonder how much of The Matrix was original plot..." _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 6:03 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] 'I, Virus' at Pyramid http://www.sjgames.com/pyramid/ And please... take a bath ; ) J. Edward _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Graeme Price [graemep@immagene.mcg.edu] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 2:18 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Hound Attack on 9/14/01 8:28 PM, moorebros@earthlink.net at moorebros@earthlink.net wrote: > --A homosexual doctor takes an overdose of Reverb while in the sack with > a budding political figure. This should occur in an empty St. Charles > Mansion. What I see as remains of the attack are: No obvious signs of > entry. A brutal death of the good doctor(that I’d like to stretch out a > little, like the Hound was toying with the doctor). And what else? Blue > slime on the drapes? A residue of billowing smoke from the corners? > > I want the political figure to survive. This will give me an unwilling > eyewitness to the attack who will pressure the police to keep the attack > quiet. Maybe someone could provide a few lines for me to read aloud > during his interrogation. [Hopefully this will actually get sent to the list... I've been having some problems, but with any luck these are now fixed... I'm treating this as a test message with content! My thanks go to Shane for pointing this out. GP] Interesting lead in here, in true "L.A. Confidential" and "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil" style. I may have to liberate this idea for my own malevolent purposes. A few observations follow: A request for further information from Cell A could lead to the report on the Pittsburgh toxic slime in DG:CD (as penned by my aquaintance)... plenty of red herrings and loose ends there. OTOH, I'm a little unsure about the timing. If the hound isn't in the area at the time of the overdose, it may take several days to arrive (as per the CoC rulebook)... but there are some interesting, if depraved, plot hooks here. Bear with me, I watched Dr. Strangelove again the other night so things are running in my head which would not normally be there. Now, little is known about the pharmacokinetics (i.e. which tissues it ends up in) of reverb. What if the politician had ended up (if you'll pardon the expression) with a lesser dose of the drug (but still enough to attract the attention of the hound) via, er... tainted bodily fluids. This expands the scenario a little, as not only do the Investigators have to find the politican, but protect him as well (cause the hound is going to turn him into chopped ham when it turns up on his scent a few days later). This also leads to some interesting forensic reports which could be done on "material evidence" at the scene of the first mauling (detection of unknown drug residues in stains, for example). I'm thinking handouts... players love handouts. Anyway, just a few thoughts. P.O.E. Graeme -- graemep@immag.mcg.edu _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jussi Marttila [velcrokf@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 3:21 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Boondock Saints Good evening, Last night I watched this movie "Boondock Saints" and it turned out to be DG-relevant. It's about two Irish brothers who start killing "evil men" in the name of Good. Isn't vigilanteism what DG is all about? There are things that need to be done, legal or not, and we'll have to do it because we have no choice. Cowboys. I once Kept a sort-of-convention-game and I had a hard time getting the other players who had never played DG to understand that DG isn't a White Wolf product like Project Twilight, where DG is all official and white-hat. Delta Green is an illegal conspiracy and every agent is in fact a professional criminal. Got carried away there, sorry. Anyhoo, Boondock Saints is a surprisingly good movie and it even has some fun tradecraft (foiling DNA tests with oven cleaning spray), so go rent it. Beats watching "Under Siege". Coinkydink: the Assistant Production Manager is named Mark McFadden. Mark, is it you or has a clone escaped? Jussi M , calling Deckard _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Graeme Price [graemep@immagene.mcg.edu] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 3:56 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Boondock Saints on 9/16/01 4:20 PM, Jussi Marttila at velcrokf@hotmail.com wrote: > Got carried away there, sorry. Anyhoo, Boondock Saints is a surprisingly > good movie and it even has some fun tradecraft (foiling DNA tests with oven > cleaning spray), so go rent it. Nah, that's old hat. The plan I hatched is much more devious. Get hold of OJ Simpson's hairbrush. Extract DNA from it, PCR amplify the DNA a few billion times and dilute it into a backpack mounted insecticide sprayer. Then just spray all the surfaces at the crime scene with it. 'Course, Johnny Cochran could argue his way around it, but it's suitably ironic. RW: Not sure that oven cleaner would work - the badass ones which use sodium hydroxide would probably work, but you'd need to cover very large areas to be sure. Try replacing the spray nozzle with one from an air freshener can to cover a large area... but it's a long shot. ObDG: Anyone else noticed how the limitations (and reach) of forensic science aren't ever really discussed? There's something They don't want the public knowing.... and who can blame Them? Graeme -- graemep@immag.mcg.edu _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 4:13 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Boondock Saints Greetings. >ObDG: Anyone else noticed how the limitations (and reach) of forensic >science aren't ever really discussed? There's something They don't want the >public knowing.... and who can blame Them? That's standard practice. You always get the bit in the author's foreword, where he tells you he left out the most important details where bomb making/forgery/assassination are concerned, "for safety reasons". I found that in LeCarré's "Little Drummer Girl", in a lot of Trevanian; got it from other spy story guys, too. I always found it a bit offensive - like bad stage magic. Grahame Greene and Len Deighton, now, they never put such claims in their books - another reason for respecting them. IMHO and all that, of course. Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 3:19 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Boondock Saints >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Davide Mana" >Greetings. >ObDG: Anyone else noticed how the limitations (and reach) of forensic >science aren't ever really discussed? There's something They don't want the >public knowing.... and who can blame Them? I have a feeling that forensic science is an unreliable art, or at least a less reliable art than we are told. The "odds" given for DNA matching, for example, seem ludicrously high, considering the possibility of clustering among ethnic groups, etc. I suspect that what the forensic scientists are hiding is the fact that they are in business to supply the cops with the evidence they want >That's standard practice. >You always get the bit in the author's foreword, where he tells you he left >out the most important details where bomb making/forgery/assassination are >concerned, "for safety reasons". And in "Black magic" stories. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Don Fougere [bolide@mars.ark.com] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 4:47 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Fw: Deepest condolences Again, to my American friends, colleagues and acquaintances on the list, since this didn't get through the first time, and now that I'm re-subscribed. My deepest sympathies and condolences. While holding watch on Tuesday morning, I saw the events unfold live and knew and felt the flood of things that have been said before by so many. Don Fougere Image Sleuth - Analytical Imaging Solutions Lazo, B.C. bolide@mars.ark.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Fougere To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Cc: meteorite-list Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:35 PM Subject: Deepest condolences To all my American friends and compatriots. Deepest heartfelt sorrow and God bless. Cheers, Don Fougere Image Sleuth - Analytical Imaging Solutions Lazo, B.C. bolide@mars.ark.com From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 5:27 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com ' Subject: RE: [DG] Boondock Saints >ObDG: Anyone else noticed how the limitations (and reach) of forensic >science aren't ever really discussed? There's something They don't want >the public knowing.... and who can blame Them? There's an excellent series of books (apologies if they've already been mauled on the list) called the "Howdunnit" series. They are written for authors to basically brief authors on things they probably don't know so that they can write without looking stupid. I would say that every single one of them has a lot of DG-relevant content. There's one that focuses on forensics, called "Cause of Death: A Writer's Guide to Death, Murder, and Forensic Medicine". It includes things like autopsy procedures, entomological forensics (understanding how long a body has been sitting around by taking note of what kinds of bugs are currently dining), and all kinds of good stuff. Others include (and I may miss some): Police Procedural: A Writers Guide to the Police and How They Work Howdunit: How Crimes are Committed and Solved Rip-Off: A Writer's Guide to Crimes of Deception Deadly Doses: A Writer's Guide to Poisons Just the Facts, Ma'Am: A Writers Guide to Investigators and Investigation Techniques Scene of the Crime: A Writer's Guide to Crime-Scene Investigations Armed and Dangerous: A Writer's Guide to Weapons Missing Persons: A Writer's Guide to Finding the Lost, the Abducted, and the Escaped Murder One: A Writer's Guide to Homicide Body Trauma: A Writer's Guide to Wounds and Injuries Amateur Detectives: A Writer's Guide to How Private Citizens Solve Criminal Cases Malicious Intent: A Writer's Guide to How Murderers, Robbers, Rapists, and Other Criminals Think Private Eyes: A Writer's Guide to Private Investigating Modus Operandi: A Writer's Guide to How Criminals Work In addition to using the books to gain the knowledge to make a more realistic DG scenario, I can also imagine certain ones as handouts. Maybe a criminal is working his way through Deadly Doses and killing one person using each poison described. Perhaps he carries the book around with him or it is found in his apartment: Instant Handout! (Plus, such a criminal could get away with several murders before he's identified as a serial killer because the M.O. is different at each crime. This way, the FBI doesn't get involved until he already has several victims under his belt. Throw in the fact that he's doing it because he thinks it's the will of the King in Yellow and it's instantly DG-related.) Anyway, enough typing for one email. Check out the books. They're awesome. Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Alek James Hidell [aj_hide11@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 5:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Boondock Saints RE: [DG] Boondock SaintsI must concur, Marshal, but with the caveat that "Armed and Dangerous" is about eight years out of date, and focuses on the history of firearms too much to be of maximum utility for Delta Green players. Its an excellent book, but doesn't cover modern and near-future firearms enough to be an ultimate resource for Delta Green players. However, it would be useful for 1920s CoC games, DGWWII, and Cold War campaigns, since the "world of guns" was smaller then. There's an excellent series of books (apologies if they've already been mauled on the list) called the "Howdunnit" series. They are written for authors to basically brief authors on things they probably don't know so that they can write without looking stupid. I would say that every single one of them has a lot of DG-relevant content. From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Rodemaker [dar@horusinc.com] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 5:53 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Boondock Saints > Deadly Doses: A Writer's Guide to Poisons Have it, was lucky enough to get for like ...a dollar at a used bookstore. It is certainly worth full price. Natural and industrial poison, a 'wonderful' resource... David _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 6:15 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com ' Subject: RE: [DG] Boondock Saints >I must concur, Marshal, but with the caveat that "Armed and Dangerous" >is about eight years out of date, and focuses on the history of firearms Thanks for the tip. I was thinking about getting that one. Now it is forever off my list. obDG: A thought that just occurred to me. If somebody (for DG-relevance, say "somebody"=Outlook or some other group) wanted to kidnap a person and make it look like they staged their own disappearance, they might plant a copy of "Missing Persons: A Writer's Guide to Finding the Lost, the Abducted, and the Escaped" in the persons previous domicile. That book, it is said (though I haven't yet read it), would be useful to somebpdy planning to stage their own disappearance. Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Chris Womack [jcwomack@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 7:11 PM To: deltagreen revolutionsf.com Subject: Howdunnit Books (was Re: [DG] Boondock Saints) Hey-- on 9/16/01 6:14 PM, Gatten, Marshall at marshall@fusionone.com wrote: > obDG: A thought that just occurred to me. If somebody (for DG-relevance, say > "somebody"=Outlook or some other group) wanted to kidnap a person and make > it look like they staged their own disappearance, they might plant a copy of > "Missing Persons: A Writer's Guide to Finding the Lost, the Abducted, and > the Escaped" in the persons previous domicile. [...] Nah--no subtlety. Try instead: adjust records at the local library to show that the victim had checked out a copy of the book in question not just once but a number of times, over the previous couple of years. Clearly the idea of just vanishing has held a morbid fascination for this guy for some time. The records will also show that the victim had returned the book the day prior to his disappearance. Forensic examination of the book upon retrieving it from the stacks will of course reveal the guy's fingerprints all over it--in layers, interspersed with layers of prints from other borrowers, of course. If you're worried agents won't turn up the clue, then lose the book itself ('cause obviously the guy took it with him), and adjust the library records such that an overdue notice is generated and will turn up in his mail during the course of the investigation. C Chris Womack jcwomack@earthlink.net Keeper of the DGML (Ret'd.) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Til Eulenspiegel [duggerj1@home.com] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 8:20 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Hound Attack Sunday, 16 September 2001 ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: [DG] Hound Attack [snip] > > 1) First the hound is attacking Reverb users. I need to flesh out the > crime scenes. I was hoping if I threw out a few ideas, then the DGML > could fill them in like a demented Mad Lib. What are the signs of a > Hound attack? Here are my three ideas. > Let me make a few suggestions about how to describe a Hound in action. First, distort its appearance. Show them what it can do after the fact. Let them investigate the crime scene. Next, let your players only have fragmentary and seemingly contradictory reports of it. One witness talks about "the smoke, I thought it was incense, but maybe spoiled. But then there was too much of it, and I thought it was a fire. Then it filled the room, and he started screaming. I couldn't see any flames, though." Of another attack, someone says, "I wanted to turn around, but couldn't move. I guess I panicked, 'cause next thing I knew I fell outa the window and into the street." A third eyewitness might say, "A big gout of flame came out from the building just then, all blue and green. Scariest thing I ever saw." Then let your players catch glimpses of it. Weird, half-seen things in the shadows. If involved in the attacks, let timepieces at the scenes go out of synch. The victim's watch runs backwards, while each survivor's watch tells a different and wrong time. If near a point where the Hound will attack, foreshadow it by playing with the characters. Have their sense of perspective go all funny when they look at the corners. Maybe even call for DEX rolls to avoid an attack of vertigo. Pick on those with low SAN or appropriate phobias. That's why they exist! Better still, let them see a video of an attack. They should be able to see something dog-like, but distorted and out-of-perspective. Then have the Hound kill the video's source and everyone else how has seen it. Of course, this works best if your PCs don't know each of the victims did Reverb, and if the tape shows the Hound materializing from a corner. Your players might know better, but that's okay. If the tape shows the Hound materializing, who's to say the image of it on the TV screen isn't angle enough for the Hound? (Watch Ring for more ideas.) Then let it start playing with them. If one of your PCs has or will take Reverb, let the Hound start hunting them. Perhaps the Tcho-Tcho's want the Hound to do their work for them, or maybe a club-goer does them a favor. Either way, you could slip them some Reverb. Make the rolls needed to let your players feel they have a chance to avoid it. Play up the distorted perceptions of the trip. Describe it in terms similar to those you used for the Hound's attacks. Having associated one with the other, you can encourage fear in your players by reusing those phrases. If you want to scare the players when hound hunting, let them know that the alley seems way too long, they should've reached its end by now. Their watches seem a little bit off. It seems like they read 12:15 for more than a minute. Then let them find a puddle of blue pus, or smell or see odd smoke. If you can manage it, describe these events twice--in exactly the same words each time---during the same scene. The point here is to make time seem strangely plastic, and under someone else's control. When they finally fight the Hound, remember it's very probably smarter than the PCs. Hit and run, splitting the opposition, and so on. Make the fight seem like a nightmare by distorting time and space in your descriptions. Describe the Hound's movements as if they were shot backwards on film and then played forward. Its' joints and muscles flex at the wrong end of its movements; it appears to stutter as if illuminated by a strobe light; puddles of pus appear on the ground and fall upward to its mouths; one second it seems ten feet away and frozen, next second five feet away and closing, next second seven feet away, then three, and so on; it seems to stay the same distance from its quarry no matter how the latter runs. Clear visualization is key here. If you can't picture it, then you can't describe it to your players. Use your imagination first, and then just describe what your players see. > --A slaughter on the Mississippi River levee. Actually levee parties > aren't that common, too many mosquitoes. But I'm thinking it was a group > of highschoolers drinking a little beer and trying out this cool new > drug, Reverb. One girl overdoses and the Hound shows up. Since everybody > has had a little, it would be a chase all over the levee and perhaps > into the poor neighborhoods along River Road. This is a good source for that videotape I mentioned above. > > --The third attack I'm considering would happen on the St Charles Street > Car. I think this would be a great one for one, or more, of the agents > to actually be driving up St Charles and look over and see. The victim > is a waiter coming back from his French Quarter job. He scored some > Reverb just before he got on the Street Car and did way too much. Can > the PC board the street car? Can they pop off a few rounds to find out > just how ineffective bullets are? Can they save the poor bastard? > Here you can let PCs learn how tough and how smart the Hound is. Have it remember them. Esp., if they've taken Reverb or have that videotape. > I am open to suggestions. > > Roger Moore > Scare your players! Characters are disposable! This is (this) your (is your brain) brain on (brai on Reverb) Reverb. Television is the tool of the devil! dugger@vss.fsi.com : duggerj1@home.com : til_e@hotmail.com Go give blood: (800) GIVE-LIFE This too shall pass. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 11:21 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Howdunnit Books (was Re: [DG] Boondock Saints) RE: [DG] Boondock SaintsFrom: Gatten, Marshall >>>There's an excellent series of books (apologies if they've already been mauled on the list) called the "Howdunnit" series. They are written for authors to basically brief authors on things they probably don't know so that they can write without looking stupid. I would say that every single one of them has a lot of DG-relevant content.<<< Thanks Marshall--I have some of these back in Texas, but they give me ideas for more to order. What this brings to mind is how many books meant for writers of genre fiction are very useful for RPG GMs, too. I've just read the new edition of Orson Scott Card's _How to Write Fantasy and Science Fiction_ (ISBN 158297103X), and I thought that big chunks of the middle are directly applicable to RPG campaign design. Dave TITHE! http://www.redcross.org/ (PS: Marshall, you're a great contributer to this list and I know that you have no choice but to send in HTML, but I would be very grateful if you could make your font size a bit larger--my eyes aren't getting any younger!) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/