From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Mr. Zero [mrzero@twilite.org] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 1:03 AM To: Jussi Marttila Cc: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Boondock Saints This is corner stone of chapter 1 of my campaign :) not exactly this but VERY similar. it's a good movie. sean -- mrzero@twilite.org Homepage: http://www.twilite.org/~mrzero ICQ: 121817936 DG-DarkTide: http://brsp.net/~mrzero "Scotch, straight up, no xeno-linguistic virus. Please." _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 1:27 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: Chain of CONTROL, was Re: [DG] 'I, Virus' at Pyramid From: >>> You know, I think our criteria for choosing agents may be slipping slightly. Either that, or Agent Edward has taken some serious SAN loss recently. Dude, he's the MIB. Don't encourage him. He b**ches enough on this list already ;).<<< Actually, that was the perfect response to the MiB--I bet he got as big a laugh out of it as I did. That's one thing you'll notice about the MiB: flaming him back doesn't escalate things (except perhaps in terms of humor). That's because the smart agents realize that it's all a joke. The ones who don't get it quit this list and then whine about us on another list that shall remain nameless. Dave visit http://www.redcross.org/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Lord Abdul Baan [lordabdul@vachefolle.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 4:01 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: Chain of CONTROL, was Re: [DG] 'I, Virus' at Pyramid -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > The Man in Black has : everything under control. > Lord Abdul Baan thinks : the man in black is infested with something commonly called "a very twisted brain". -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use Comment: Never trust your goldfish. iQA/AwUBO6WtxgBMKvnjmtu2EQIWYQCgvNtUNX/xJwScSVLRm5r7xHfND1gAn2r9 fvyKm494AeSafMgGMM3aaceT =cqfM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:09 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: Chain of CONTROL, was Re: [DG] 'I, Virus' at Pyramid >Actually, that was the perfect response to the MiB--I bet he got as big a >laugh out of it as I did. Oddly enough, when I saw that I'd been flamed by the MiB, I suddenly felt as though a weird barrier had been breached. I feel like one of the gang, now - and that made my day. Just don't ask me to power-dump like that again for another week or two, eh? My colleagues think I've grown a tail... J. Edward _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:08 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Hound Attack --- Til Eulenspiegel schrieb: > S > From: > Subject: [DG] Hound Attack > [snip] nice ideas, but . > They should be able to > see something dog-like, as discussed some time before, a "hound" doesn´t necessarily mean it´s a dog like creature, scary as rottwelers or dobermans may be. >but distorted and out-of-perspective. the more nondescriptive the hound appears to be, the better. a shubby-like mass with a kind of fractal- fuzzy-changing "surface" imho might be more appropriate to play with. or make it appear as somthing with four legs and a head, just to morph sometime unexpected. festus __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 6:50 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com; deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] MiB and random questions You know, I really hadn't looked at it that way. Hmm...MiB flame...the ultimate status symbol. Don't you just love the way people on this list challenge established ways of doing things? On a factual note, I need some information. Living here in Britain, where anything more danfgerous than a BB gun is frowned upon, I'm not fully up to speed on the comparative legality of weapons that DG agents might get their hands on. One of my investigators regularly requests a .50 Desert Eagle. I have no problem with him using it - the ease with which it will be traced and the minimal damage it will do to the enemies make me pretty happy about it, actually - but I don't know how people will react to it. Are .50's legal? How are local law enforcement likely to react to someone discharging one at 'criminals'? Also, I've heard stories(also) about a 'Jackhammer' shotgun, which has a drum rather(hammer) than being slide or(drum) pump action. Does this shotgun(pump) exist? Does it have any other notable(does) qualities? Voidchaser.(void)Hooked on (chaser) Reverb. >Oddly enough, when I saw that I'd been flamed by the MiB, I suddenly felt as >though a weird barrier had been breached. I feel like one of the gang, now - >and that made my day. > >J. Edward > -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jim Clunie [jim_clunie@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:54 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Hound Attack >From: "Dirk R. Festus Festerling" > > --- Til Eulenspiegel schrieb: > S > > From: > > Subject: [DG] Hound Attack > > > [snip] > >nice ideas, but >. > > They should be able to > > see something dog-like, > >as discussed some time before, a "hound" doesn´t >necessarily mean it´s a dog like creature, scary as >rottwelers or dobermans may be. > > >but distorted and out-of-perspective. > >the more nondescriptive the hound appears to be, the >better. a shubby-like mass with a kind of fractal- >fuzzy-changing "surface" imho might be more >appropriate to play with. or make it appear as >somthing with four legs and a head, just to morph >sometime unexpected. > "..Had they bodies? I saw them only for a moment, I cannot be certain." They course in packs, and probably howl - that's the major reason for calling them "hounds". Flying up from the twisted towers of Tindalos through time's abyss, I doubt they'd have legs at all. I've always pictured them more as a bundle of black papery tatters (but flat and stiff, like origami), which open at the front into a many-folded maw full of pointy geometric teeth. Jim C _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jussi Marttila [velcrokf@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:58 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] A book recommendation Morning, Now that we're talking tradecraft, I thought I could come out and make a book recommendation. Two Swedes named Sjöwall and Wahlöö wrote a series called "The Story of a Crime", which has ten parts. Amazon says the English edition are out of print but if you find them, get them. They are to Swedish detective literature what Ellroy is to American. Also, if you've never read Swedish detective stories, try them for a change. "The Story of A Crime" also depicts something like the a federal agency, a special task force which works with homicide throughout the country. Very realistic and very gritty. The DG significance is of course that you know how to describe Stockholm when you go there to lay the smack down on YouKnowHowFromTheBookThatHasn'tComeOutQuiteYetButWeHaveHighHopes. Also, it's inspirational in case you want to create LEO characters who aren't stereotypes. Jussi Marttila _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jussi Marttila [velcrokf@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 6:00 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Boondock Saints >This is corner stone of chapter 1 of my campaign :) > >not exactly this but VERY similar. > >it's a good movie. > >sean > Also, if you've seen this movie, you should read the Watchmen, if you haven't read it already. Notice the similarities between the two brothers and Rorschach. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jussi Marttila [velcrokf@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 6:10 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Let us not gunfondle, but anyway >On a factual note, I need some information. Living here in Britain, where >anything more danfgerous than a BB gun is frowned upon, I'm not fully up to >speed on the comparative legality of weapons that DG agents might get their >hands on. One of my investigators regularly requests a .50 Desert Eagle. I >have no problem with him using it - the ease with which it will be traced >and the minimal damage it will do to the enemies make me pretty happy about >it, actually - but I don't know how people will react to it. Are .50's >legal? How are local law enforcement likely to react to someone discharging >one at 'criminals'? > >Also, I've heard stories(also) about a 'Jackhammer' shotgun, which has a >drum rather(hammer) than being slide or(drum) pump action. Does this >shotgun(pump) exist? Does it have any other notable(does) qualities? > As far as I know, the '50 Action Express round is by no means restricted in any way. The more manly '50 Browning Machine Gun round might be. Depends on the state I guess. What comes to LE reaction, I guess that someone might think there is a Natural Born Killer on the loose (I assume there will be several corpses with '50 AE holes in them). Only a victim of Hollywood would go around packing one, so expect that fellow feds who meet him will think he is a complete idiot. The Desert Eagle is big and heavy. You should give the character an ache in the back if he has it in a shoulder holster. And he can't really conceal it. And there is a description of the Pancor Jackhammer in "Ultramodern Firearms" by Chameleon Eclectic which I use, so it does exist. The fun parts are that it is automatic as in full auto and the magazine isn't actually a drum but a pre-loaded disposable cylinder. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Sylvain Clément [sylvain.clement@wanadoo.fr] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 6:26 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Hound Attack About the Hounds' shape : > >the more nondescriptive the hound appears to be, the > >better. a shubby-like mass with a kind of fractal- > >fuzzy-changing "surface" imho might be more > >appropriate to play with. or make it appear as > >somthing with four legs and a head, just to morph > >sometime unexpected. > > > > "..Had they bodies? I saw them only for a moment, I cannot be certain." > I've always pictured them more as a bundle of black papery tatters (but flat > and stiff, like origami), which open at the front into a many-folded maw > full of pointy geometric teeth. > > Jim C The very fact that those extremely alien creatures appear under the (vague and nightmarishly distorted) guise of a familiar predator is suspect. Methinks they are inconceivably shapeless to us (due to their peculiar geometry), but that their presence and *behaviour* command human brains to give them a shape associated with the idea of hunting and devouring. >From a Keeper's point of view, it is quite practical : physical descriptions are customizable at will. Sylvain Clément _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Philip_Ward@yestelevision.com Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 6:25 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] MiB and random questions Voidchaser wrote: > On a factual note, I need some information. Living here in Britain, > where anything more danfgerous than a BB gun is frowned upon, I'm > not fully up to speed on the comparative legality of weapons that > DG agents might get their hands on. One of my investigators regularly > requests a .50 Desert Eagle. I have no problem with him using it - > the ease with which it will be traced and the minimal damage it will > do to the enemies make me pretty happy about it, actually - but I > don't know how people will react to it. Are .50's legal? How are > local law enforcement likely to react to someone discharging one > at 'criminals'? > Also, I've heard stories(also) about a 'Jackhammer' shotgun, which > has a drum rather(hammer) than being slide or(drum) pump action. > Does this shotgun(pump) exist? Does it have any other notable(does) qualities? On behalf of all the DG Gun-fondlers, and the COOF's I'll take this one off-list people :) Cheers, Phil ********************************************************************** This e-mail (including any attachments) is intended only for the recipient(s) named above. It may contain confidential or privileged information and should not be read, copied or otherwise used or disseminated by any unauthorised person. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Yes Television (Europe) Ltd . If you are not the named recipient, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail from your system. ********************************************************************** _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 6:33 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Let us not gunfondle, but anyway One of my investigators regularly > requests a .50 Desert Eagle. I > >have no problem with him using it - the ease with > which it will be traced > >and the minimal damage it will do to the enemies > make me pretty happy about > >it, actually - but I don't know how people will > react to it. Are .50's legal? if he is in any law enforcement organisation in the western world, it´ s simple. NO! no agency allows serious overkill by their employees. just read anything by hans christian vortisch in the ice cave or archives. if a civilian and in good standing, getting a license for a desert eagle is about as complicated or not as for any other pistol. unlicensed they might be a lot harder to get than more common guns. How are local law enforcement likely to react to someone discharging one at 'criminals'? they think of someone completely crazy if this happens more often than once and will treat him with extreme prejudice, i.e. call a swat team and/or shoot first before asking any questions. Does it have any other > notable(does) qualities? lots of really big holes is a sufficient quality. > And there is a description of the Pancor Jackhammer > in "Ultramodern > Firearms" by Chameleon Eclectic which I use, so it > does exist. chameleon eclectic sadly is out of business and their works aren´t free of errors. their seem to be some real heavy prototypes, but i´m not sure if they are comercially avaiable. otherwise a variety of revolver type shotguns exists. if youre players want to carry that burden, let them sweat (and then hit them hard). maybe let them find an automatic 40mm grenade launcher in a crashed military vehicle to trigger their greed. festus The fun parts > are that it is automatic as in full auto and the > magazine isn't actually a > drum but a pre-loaded disposable cylinder. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jonas Bolander (ERA) [Jonas.Bolander@era.ericsson.se] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 6:33 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] MiB and random questions > -----Original Message----- > From: trueprophet@talk21.com [mailto:trueprophet@talk21.com] > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 13:50 > To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com; deltagreen@revolutionsf.com > Subject: [DG] MiB and random questions This page has a short description of it, and a picture : http://www.rps.net/QS/GUNS/gunlist.html but I don't think it ever made it beyond the prototype- stage. Some trouble with the drum-magazine overheating and melting the cartridges I believe. But that might have been fixed in later years. > > > Voidchaser.(void)Hooked on (chaser) Reverb. /JoB _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Julian Breen [jules@bigjules.demon.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 6:43 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Club Apocalypse (plus a COUNTDOWN SPOILER) Bill Nichols wrote: >-- jessthecatasc@eircom.net wrote: >> I hope this isnt taken as tactless, and I do >> apologise if this offends, or it has been >> discussed (havent read any mails from last two >> weeks), but just how far is Club Apocalypse >> from the disaster zone? > >Quite a ways away, up by Central Park. If you go >to: > >http://www.mapquest.com/ > >and type in 128 East 98th Street, New York, NY, >it will give you a nice map. > I noticed that the DG main rulebook, and the Fate chapbook give different locations for the Club. The rulebook places it at 96th and 5th which would mean that it overlooked Central Park. Presumably this was changed to E.98th and Lexington for 'aesthetic' reasons. I actually took a walk around this whole area last year. The Lexington avenue around 96th-98th streets mainly seemed somewhat run down with high rise apartment blocks and community stores. Ideal venue for slumming yuppies. C O U N T D O W N S P O I L E R By the way, did anyone else notice that in the scenario 'Night Floors' the receipt found in Abigail's apartment is printed on TEESE paper? Nice touch. -- Julian Breen _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 6:43 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] MiB and random questions From: >>> You know, I really hadn't looked at it that way. Hmm...MiB flame...the ultimate status symbol.<<< Watch out--you'll make his head swell. And he was in the hospital for 6 months the last time that happened. (Seriously.) >>>Don't you just love the way people on this list challenge established ways of doing things<<< I know I do. This is the only list I've stuck with for more than a year. >>>One of my investigators regularly requests a .50 Desert Eagle. I have no problem with him using it - the ease with which it will be traced and the minimal damage it will do to the enemies make me pretty happy about it, actually - but I don't know how people will react to it. Are .50's legal? How are local law enforcement likely to react to someone discharging one at 'criminals'?<<< This is mainly Hans' territory, but I'd say that if this guy (has to be a guy, right?) is from an agency whose agents regularly carry weapons, he's probably playing the character a bit unrealistically. I owned a .357 Desert Eagle for a couple of months about 10 years ago, and it's definitely not something I'd choose for a carry weapon. Very heavy, awkward, and hard to conceal. Traded it for something reasonable as soon as I could. >>> Also, I've heard stories(also) about a 'Jackhammer' shotgun, which has a drum rather(hammer) than being slide or(drum) pump action. Does this shotgun(pump) exist? Does it have any other notable(does) qualities? <<< Ah, now this is one of those situations where one really ought to check the handy-dandy WWW before asking onlist. Google.com returned a great many answers in a mere 0.18 seconds. Many of the sites are specifically for role-playing and computer games, with stats. Just a tiny selection: http://matrix.dumpshock.com/raygun/firearms/shotgun/jackhammer.html http://www.planetrainbowsix.com/armm/nato3/nato3_manual/shotguns.htm But the ultimate source for DG weapons info is here: http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/dgwd.htm Particularly check out the DGAAA, accessible through the above page, which Hans has kindly written and Davide has kindly provided space for so that most gun questions can be answered there, and not here. Some on-topic discussion of guns is OK, but too much focus on guns tends to lead (on most game lists) to gunfondling, which I define as pointless arguments about the relative merits of guns, ammo, and (shudder) hydrostatic shock. It can be a list killer. So check out the DGAAA and be amazed at the incredible amount of information available there. Dave, the Cowboy who Hung Up His Guns http://www.redcross.org/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 6:57 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Hound Attack In the never-ending goal of keeping veteran COC players and lovecraft fans from guessing the monster too early, I monkeyed with the Hounds in a one-shot this Summer. During character creation, I had everyone write down on a slip of paper what their character's fondest wish, worst fear, and darkest secrets were... amongst other things that I may or may not have used. When the Hound appeared, it took the form of their worst fear - as a result, everyone saw something different. This became rather amusing when they were dealing with a corpse: "My god... I thought he'd been burned alive!" "Huh? Dude, he got attacked by... by bees! Millions of them!" "Bees? No way... it was an alien. I saw him stick a probe up his ass and out his mouth..." And so on and so on. J. Edward _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nocstar [shepherd93@home.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:35 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] 9/11 Hmmmmm........... >> Look at this: >> >> The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11 >> September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11 >> After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the >> year. >> 119 is the area code to Iraq/Iran. 1 + 1 + 9 = 11 >> Twin Towers - standing side by side, looks like the number 11 >> The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11 >> >> I Have More....... >> >> State of New York - The 11 State added to the Union >> New York City - 11 Letters >> Afghanistan - 11 Letters >> The Pentagon - 11 Letters >> Ramzi Yousef - 11 Letters (convicted or orchestrating the attack on the >> WTC in 1993) >> Flight 11 - 92 on board - 9 + 2 = 11 >> Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11 >> >> >> _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of REFLECTING SKIN [reflectingskin@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:02 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Anyone out there? I hope that all of your friends and families are safe and well. -Reflecting Skin- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:15 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: [DG] Gunfondling .50 .50 Action Express is not illegal... but expensive and VERY noticeable. Since .50 will defeat standard body armor (IIRC level IIA vests are rated to .357 magnum) then LEO's are likely to regard use as a direct threat. Think lots of cops trying for head shots (sorry, head shots are illegal... 'upper body shots'). Also, resupply should be a bitch. This is not standard ammo.. and sales may be traced. -----Original Message----- From: trueprophet@talk21.com [mailto:trueprophet@talk21.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:50 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com; deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] MiB and random questions "Are .50's legal? How are local law enforcement likely to react to someone discharging one at 'criminals'? " "Also, I've heard stories(also) about a 'Jackhammer' shotgun, which has a drum rather(hammer) than being slide or(drum) pump action. Does this shotgun(pump) exist? Does it have any other notable(does) qualities? " _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Alek James Hidell [aj_hide11@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:31 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Hound Attack "> I've always pictured them more as a bundle of black papery tatters (but flat > and stiff, like origami), which open at the front into a many-folded maw > full of pointy geometric teeth." Isn't this Brian Lumley's description from "The Transition of Titus Crow"? I've always envisioned Hounds of Tindalos as SOMETHING like a dog. At least, a four legged predator that pursues its victims - the fact that dogs pursue their prey instead of ambushing it, as cats do, being sort of the distinguishing characteristic - and not just across time, but through space as well. perhaps the best way to describe a Hound I've heard is when it was described as a fractal mess which makes the mind think only one thing: a hound. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:57 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: Howdunnit Books (was Re: [DG] Boondock Saints) >PS: Marshall, you're a great contributer to this list Ah, gosh. >and I know that you have no choice but to send in HTML, Ugh. I HATE THAT!!!!! Truly sorry. >but I would be very grateful if you could make your font size a bit larger Actually, I send in plaintext, which gives me no options to change fontsize. Then, when the beautimous high-tech knows-better-than-I-how-I-want-it-sent piece of shit mail server grabs it, folds it, spindles it, and mutilates it, it spits forth a hellspawn html gibberish with a font size that gnats can intimidate with impunity. The alternative, of course, is to actually SEND it in HTML. Unfortunately, when I tried that even more gibberish html coding was added making it EVEN WORSE for those who have non-html mail readers. So, alas, I am stuck with a tiny fontsize. I suppose one could say I suffer from font-envy. OBDG: Uh, ..., um..., gimme a sec - I'll find one, uh,.... How about omnipresent technology meant to "make lives easier" actually being controlled by an illuminati who use that self-same technology to make subtle annoyances which, when viewed on a global scale, contribute in no small way to the insanity of an entire race of people? Yeah. That'll do. Sorta like the beating of a butterfly's wings in Tokyo causing a tornado in Kansas. Now I just need to get the IT group to change the name of the mail server to 'butterflywings' so that I can go beat the thing and then claim I was just doing weather experiments. From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 12:09 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] 9/11 >Hmmmmm........... Actually, since it's all just mindless number games, I prefer to use the much more amusing "23" phenomenon. New York City, New York State - 23 letters World Trade Center Bombing - 23 letters September 11, 2001 hijacker - 23 letters Hijack plane, topple towers - 23 letters Pentagon sitting in rubble - 23 letters Oooh. "Spooky". Gimme a break. >> State of New York - The 11 State added to the Union >> New York City - 11 Letters >> Afghanistan - 11 Letters >> The Pentagon - 11 Letters >> Ramzi Yousef - 11 Letters (convicted or orchestrating the attack on the >> WTC in 1993) >> Flight 11 - 92 on board - 9 + 2 = 11 >> Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11 >> >> >> _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 12:47 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: Numerology Speaking of numerology, my friend Peso has an interesting theory about a large government conspiracy and events that one can alpha-numerologically tie to "1". ... I, uh, think he wrote it in the margains somewhere... > Actually, since it's all just mindless number games, I prefer to use the > much more amusing "23" phenomenon. > New York City, New York State - 23 letters > Oooh. "Spooky". Gimme a break. > >> State of New York - The 11 State added to the Union _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:53 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: Numerology and thanks Cool. Now all we need to do is fit in the Law of Fives (9+11=20/4=5!) and a few paragraphs about Left-Handed Pentagrams and we'll have all the parts necessary for a successful novel. $$$$$$$$Voidchaser.$$$$$$$ 'We'll make millions! MILLIONS I tell you!!' Oh, and many thanks to all the people who helped me out with my Desert Eagle/Jackhammer questions. I really appreciate it, although the player(who is indeed, as one of you guessed, a guy) might not be too happy about it ;) I'll try not to ask weapon questions on list again, but I thought such a small set of questions couldn't do any harm But seriously, thanks. > Speaking of numerology, my friend Peso has an interesting theory about a >large government conspiracy and events that one can alpha-numerologically >tie to "1". > >... I, uh, think he wrote it in the margains somewhere... > > Actually, since it's all just mindless number games, I prefer to use the > much more amusing "23" phenomenon. > New York City, New York State - 23 letters > Oooh. "Spooky". Gimme a break. > > State of New York - The 11 State added to the Union > > >_______________________________________ >The Delta Green Mailing List >http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Alek James Hidell [aj_hide11@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 1:45 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] 23 RE: [DG] 9/11On the topic of 23, it turns up in connection with high weirdness more often than the number 13 does. First, November 23rd, 1963 was the only day that Lee Harvey Oswald was alive as the accused Kennedy assassin. Others inbclude: -the Mars observer ceasing to function on August 23rd, 1993 -hexagram 23 means "break apart" in the I-Ching -23 means "break the line" in telegrapher's code -Euclid's geometry begins with 23 axioms -each parent contributes 23 chromosomes to a fertilized egg and eventual human -DNA irregularities occur every 23rd axiom -geosynchronous orbit is 23 000 miles up -Berenger Sauniere uncoverd a mystery at Rennes le Chateau, his tiny parish in the French Languedoc. Whatever it was, the day after he died, the 23rd, saw blood representatives of the royal families of Europe make personal appearances as his body sat in state -the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) supposedly has 23 detention facilities scattered across the United States, each with a capacity between 23 and 40 000 people, where "trouble makers" (like DGML subscribers) could be "relocated" in the event of social break down, and which have recently been activated ion light of the tragedy of last Tuesday. Finally, Robert Anton Wilson, a favorite here on the board, and William S. Burroughs both attribute plenty more weirdness to the number 23. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gatten, Marshall To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:08 AM Subject: RE: [DG] 9/11 >Hmmmmm........... Actually, since it's all just mindless number games, I prefer to use the much more amusing "23" phenomenon. New York City, New York State - 23 letters World Trade Center Bombing - 23 letters September 11, 2001 hijacker - 23 letters Hijack plane, topple towers - 23 letters Pentagon sitting in rubble - 23 letters Oooh. "Spooky". Gimme a break. From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:32 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Boondock Saints From: Gatten, Marshall >There's an excellent series of books (apologies if they've already been >mauled on the list) called the "Howdunnit" series. They are written for >authors to basically brief authors on things they probably don't know so >that they can write without looking stupid. I would say that every single >one of them has a lot of DG-relevant content. These books have been criticized by laymen and professionals alike as being highly inaccurate, promoting all sorts of misconceptions, and containing many outright falsehoods. I doubt if they were written by professionals in the field, or even had professionals proofread them. These manuals were written by fiction authors for fiction authors, and I consider them to BE fiction. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:51 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: Chain of CONTROL, was Re: [DG] 'I, Virus' at Pyramid From: David A. Farnell <1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp> >Actually, that was the perfect response to the MiB--I bet he got as big a >laugh out of it as I did. No, "Dave", if that IS your real name... It made me sick. WHAT? It was pathetic. I am the Man in Black and I do not deserve to be treated that way. WHAT? IT MADE ME SICK! I hope Fast Eddie is proud of himself. WHAT? >That's because the smart agents realize that it's all a joke. The ones who >don't get it quit this list and then whine about us on another list that >shall remain nameless. And the method to my madness becomes frightfully clear... WHAT? Expunge the weak minded... WHAT? Send them down to the minor leagues where they can learn to play baseball, maybe someday they'll be ready for the big leagues. The Man in Black is : sick, and you made him that way. WHAT? Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 1:52 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Hound Attack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Til Eulenspiegel" > Subject: [DG] Hound Attack Long's quite interesting story "The Space Eaters", though full of flaws, contains some hound-like entities which are described in an original way: they seem to reach "through" the senses. The witness is forced to construct an appearance from his own resources - perhaps from whatever is locally present - trees, telegraph wires, and so on - and "sees" these things as active and moving. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Alek James Hidell [aj_hide11@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 3:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Boondock Saints The ones I've got have been written by professionals, mate. That's all I know: "Body Trauma" by David Page, MD. Associate Clinical Professor of Surgery, Tuft's University's Bayside Medical Center. "Murder One" by Mauro Corvasce and Joseph Paglino, investigators for the Prosecutor's Office, Monmouth County, New Jersey. Corvasce is a 22-year law enforcement veteran. Paglino was an investigator for the Brooklyn DA's Office and for the NYC Chief Medical Examiner. I don't know shit about shit, but that sounds pretty professional to me. > These books have been criticized by laymen and professionals alike as > being highly inaccurate, promoting all sorts of misconceptions, and > containing many outright falsehoods. I doubt if they were written by > professionals in the field, or even had professionals proofread them. > These manuals were written by fiction authors for fiction authors, and I > consider them to BE fiction. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 4:22 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Boondock Saints >These books have been criticized by laymen and professionals alike as >being highly inaccurate, promoting all sorts of misconceptions, and >containing many outright falsehoods. I doubt if they were written by >professionals in the field, or even had professionals proofread them. >These manuals were written by fiction authors for fiction authors, and I >consider them to BE fiction. Some are better than others. I look for online reviews of them and when I find a review by a professional in the field I give that one more weight than the rest. But then again, I'm not going to use the information to write a book that will be read by millions - I'll be more likely to use it to write a game scenario that will be played by half a dozen. And that makes them perfect for me. If I was going to write a scenario with the intent of publishing it, I might use these as a knowledge base and then confirm points via research. If I was going to write a real honest-to-gosh book and publish it outside of the gaming industry, then I'd pretty much use these as nothing more than a basic understanding when I go and interview real professionals. (A forensic scientist is more likely to want to talk shop with somebody who knows "Cause of Death" inside and out than some guy who's never heard of a scalpel.) From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of the fiend [turner23@thehub.com.au] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 9:15 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] 9/11 (it all comes back to.....) Nocstar wrote: > Hmmmmm........... > >> Look at this: > >> The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11 as has been pointed out the attack was in the year 2001ad gregorian. that means you add 2 and 1 to your total. and then you add that together. agent fiend of course 11 is just two, or one half of 5, the other half being three. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Graeme Price [graemep@immagene.mcg.edu] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:19 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] 23 on 9/17/01 2:44 PM, Alek James Hidell at aj_hide11@hotmail.com wrote: >-DNA irregularities occur every 23rd axiom What the hell this is supposed to mean I have no idea. "DNA irregularities" - does this mean base mismatches every 23 base pairs? (NO) Frameshift mutations? (NO) Strand breaks? (NO). Out of interest, where did you get this pile of old cobblers, as it is both scientifically incorrect and meaningless in notation. OTOH, if you add 9 and 11 and 2001 you get 2021... which when divided by 23 gives precisely 87.86856522... spooky eh? :-] Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:57 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Hound Attack >I've always pictured them more as a bundle of black papery tatters (but >flat and stiff, like origami), which open at the front into a many-folded >maw full of pointy geometric teeth. I'm put into a mind of recalling an excellent monster posted to this list a few months ago called the Debris Egregore (or something like that). This debris monster was, put simply, a high-powered dust devil that killed by picking up things in it's wind and battering the victim with them. Sighting one was a matter of seeing that which it picked up. Imagine seeing a Hound of Tindalos, where everything around is stationary while at the same time space seems to bend and fold and the impression is that any debris around you (loose sticks, dust, pens, pencils, computer parts, whatever) is swirling in a pattern vaguely reminiscent of a huge dog. The warped disturbance moves quickly and leaves no trace of it's whirling passage. It looks like a shaped whirlwind, but leaves things unmoved. This is based on nothing but my own feverish imagination, but it sounds like a fun way to portray a Hound. Marshall