From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Chris Womack [jcwomack@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:47 PM To: deltagreen revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Yog-Sothoth Witch Cult on 9/20/01 2:02 PM, ElLocoToro@aol.com at ElLocoToro@aol.com wrote: > [...] What > this is, is the set up for something -- a new, powerful force in the DGverse. > **************************** > This material draws on HPL¹s The Silver Key, The Dreams in the Witch House, > The Case of Charles Dexter Ward, and The Outsider. The parts I haven¹t talked > about here will come from The Dunwich Horror and The Rats in the Walls. > **************************** > So here¹s my idea: [big idea snipped] > But I¹m getting ahead of myself. As background, how is this? Please comment. > This is by no means a ³final copy,² just one, fluid idea. Hmm. Interesting, to be sure, but to my eyes it suffers from a unique strain of the Mythos-hoedown syndrome that many published scenarios exhibit. However, rather than having all sorts of Mythos monsters lurking around every corner, you've gone to great lengths to squeeze in as many human co-conspirators as can easily be found in the Lovecraftian canon. For me, the end result is far too neat and tidy; too many loose threads and inconsistencies in the source literature have been cleaned up. And there's frankly just too much collusion--Lovecraft time and again portrays his villains as solitary figures seeking forbidden knowledge for their own selfish aims. To have them all, if not explicitly working together, then at least on familiar terms with one another, just violates the spirit of the source material. Granted, I've never read any Lumley, so maybe the blame can be laid at his doorstep; at the very least, you are to be congratulated for so carefully noodling out all these connections. But personally, I would never be able to suspend my disbelief high enough for this particular oversized load to make the clearance restriction. But hey, if it'll float your players' collective boat, that's all the matters, though, right? C Chris Womack jcwomack@earthlink.net Keeper of the DGML (Ret'd.) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Janusz A. Urbanowicz [alex@bofh.torun.pl] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:58 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord wrote/napisa³[a]/schrieb: > On a computer, far, far away, Matt TrollBoy Wiseman wrote: > > You didn't procede on and read the first article did you ;-) > > I've read the article and it makes me really sick. Full of inaccuracies, > and forgets a lot of the politcal pressure the US aplies to "Allies". > > Britain was the only country to repay it's war debt in full, and bankrupted > itself to do so. This is the basis of the "Special Relationship". > > The British "Blue Streak" rocket programme was cancelled due to US pressure. Heh the same way was here in Poland. Poland had its own rocket program based on meteorological rocket "Meteor" (this was 50s and 60s where there almost none civilian meteosats). The program reached the stage where it was possible to orbit a couple of kilograms of stuff and was promptly canceled because in the Peoples' Democracies space stuff belonged to the CCCP (such specialization was common, Poland made magnetic media, Bulgarians made drivers, actual computing hardware was made by East Germany). > The British TR2 delta wing fighter cancelled due to US complaints. It was > the first delta-wing fighter to fly. Only two prototypes were built, and it > was yonks ahead of other designs. > > The atomic bomb was only possible due to the calculations of a UK > mathematician, who solved the problem of the compression wave. Russian Bomb was made (at least partly) from Polish uranium. Just a piece of trivia. Alex -- C _-=-_ H| Janusz A. Urbanowicz | ALEX3-RIPE | SF-F Framling | | * ; (_O : +-------------------------------------------------------------+ --+~| ! &~) ? | P³yn¹æ chcê na Wschód, za Suez, gdzie jest dobrem ka¿de z³o | l_|/ A ~-=-~ O| Gdzie przykazañ brak dziesiêciu, a piæ mo¿na a¿ po dno; | | _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 10:22 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Potatoes from elsewhen On 19 September 2001, "Gatten, Marshall" reported: > >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010917/sc/environment_britain_potato_dc_1. >html > >So a couple Scottish "potato enthusiasts" suddenly show up with a potato >"from Hungary". And it's immune to all the problems that regular potatoes >have, and it's so obscure as to not yet have a name. More accurately, it has no name you are cleared to know, Citizen, and definitely not one in a Terran language! > >Okay. > >I wanna know what planet these "purple potatoes" came from and what >nightmarish deal was made to obtain them. I also wanna know how many can be >eaten before the danger of alien mind control begins to manifest. Note that there is already something purple on Earth, attempting to control our minds! To wit: Barney! This nerarious saurian menace (a disgrace to all peace-loving lizard-men, who of course have no territorial ambitions) has been attempting to rob us of our SAN for years, as part of a Diabolical Plot (tm)! Has anybody else noticed that when Barney's songs are played backwards, they urge rioting, insurrection, terrorism, and utter mayhem, as well as containing subliminal messages to get people to buy more Barney tapes, computer games, and stuffed toys? When the Martians invaded in the 1890s (or was it 1938? 1953?), a red Martian weed was noted growing in areas they had seized. These purple potatoes could be part of a plot for the conquest of our planet by Barney! > >Potato enthusiasts indeed. Hungary. Hah! Hungary was obviously where the purple potatoes were first noted! Hungarian investigators should check for crop circles (in potato fields, of course) and for Barney tracks! Watch the skies and the potato patches! Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 8:14 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Cc: wyndolyne@yahoo.com Subject: How to get Military Personnel assigned to Temporary Duty to Delta Green was: Re: [DG] 23 From: trueprophet@talk21.com >Let's see, DG...um....Got any good reason a Navy SEAL would be allowed to take days off to go particpiate in DG ops? It's not like he's a government agent...any plaudsible ideas?(bearing in mind I know nothing about the US navy or SOC..) I suggest you go read the Rogue Warrior series by Richard Marcinko and John Wiesman. It has lots of tactical info about SEAL's and their allies conducting not-so-legal ops, just add Mythos to ANY of his plots and you have a ready made off the cuff Delta Green Cowboy Op, complete with friendlies in the old boy network. As an added bonus: if you edit all the profanity and egotistical attitude out, you cut the manuscript in half. With an endorsement like that, you know it must be good! Plus, the tome is well indexed and includes a glossary, making finding little details and gems like the DCWO (see below) easy as pie. You do like... Pie... don't you? WHAT? Keep in mind that Delta Green has friendlies who wear more than a few stars on their shoulders. Nosy and annoying bureaucratic desk-driving SpecOps admirals and SEAL officers will have no choice but to bow down to an entire multi-service constellation of shiny metallic stars. Especially when the 'Astrologists' say "We need CMDR Green for a few weeks of TDY (temporary duty)... No, we CAN'T tell you why, just stay in the dark and we'll feed you some shit like a good mushroom." I suggest you take a page out of Marcinko's book. Use your SEAL's Admiral or Commanding Officer as a comedic foil, who constantly harassing our Cowboy Hero with Politically Correct nonsense designed to further the career of the commanding officer at the expense of his men's safety. After a suitable period of torture... unleash the following: The PIQ (Prick in Question) is summoned to a meeting (which the SEAL Player Character should attend) held by 4-star Admiral Harley Patton of the Office of Naval Intelligence, his four star XO, and a a trio of three star jabronies from the Marines, Air Force and Army respectively. This committee of Astrologists (what a great name for their five member mini-conspiracy) baffle the PIQ and his placing of obstacles and stumbling blocks in the way of our Stalwart SEAL Investigator/Agent with stellar wisdom and sheer weight of Pentagonal Pointyness. (I believe a meeting like this occurs in Rogue Warrior : Green Team). ADM Harley Patton, Office of Naval Intelligence, would be perfect as the mouthpiece role. For added paranoia and despair, make one or more Astrologists members of Majestic's Project RAINBOW. (The ONI and Project RAINBOW are in cahoots. How they ended up in bed together is a long story, go read your EYES ONLY documents...). Some choice exerpts From Rogue Warrior: Task Force Blue: "Mugs, you are a worthless asshole--nothing but a pencil-dicked pus-nuts crap-eating turd-faced shit-for-brains motherfucking little cocksucker!" and: "The sonovabitch I'd shot had been holding a DCWO bag. The DCWO is a Divisional Chemical Warfare Officer. He's the medic in charge of making sure you've received all the protection against chemical agents -- mustard gas, as well as nerve agents like sarin, tabun, and SRQ-44. The way it is done, is to shoot you full of atropine, then give you a small dose of each nerve agent, as a way of making you resistant. The process works much the same way as cholera, yellow fever, typhus, and typhoid shots--you get a controlled dose of the disease along with the protection, and you are immunized." Our Hero later bites down on some "suicide capsules" injected with some of the 'small doses' from the DCWO bag and breathes some really stinky bad breath into the face of some asshole. http://www.simonsays.com/subs/index.cfm?areaid=19 The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ElLocoToro@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:07 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] The Yog-Sothoth Witch Cult I take a long time to write things, especially things that need to be somewhat organized. What this is, then, is disorganized; I have written it in a very short time, and thus haven’t “organized” it like I would have liked. That having been said, I’ll begin. **************************** For some time, I’ve been playing around with the idea of having a Delta Green organization based in the Ukrainian nationalist emigre community. In many ways, this has become an obsession, and I’ve gone through three or four complete revisions of this organization’s early history. But this post isn’t about that -- the Ukrainians play a relatively small part and are not mentioned here at all (beyond these first few paragraphs). What this is, is the set up for something -- a new, powerful force in the DGverse. **************************** This material draws on HPL’s The Silver Key, The Dreams in the Witch House, The Case of Charles Dexter Ward, and The Outsider. The parts I haven’t talked about here will come from The Dunwich Horror and The Rats in the Walls. **************************** So here’s my idea: In the 1200s, a Templar expedition commanded by Sir Geoffrey Carter left the Holy Land for the Hashishim fortress of Alamut in modern-day Iran, where they had been granted access to the Assassins’ massive occult library. Using resources found in that library, the Templars mounted a joint expedition with the Hashishim to find the lost city of Ubar and Irem, the many-columned subterranean metropolis beneath Ubar. At Ubar/Irem, the Templars and their Hashishim allies looted the city’s occult treasures, but eventually something went wrong and the forces of Yog-Sothoth and Shub-Niggurath, the patron gods of the city, were unleashed. Geoffrey Carter and some other Templars escaped, leaving the Hashishim to die in the city and its underground temples. In the desert, madness caused by heat and the horror of what they had encountered weighed heavily on the survivors. Many went insane and some, under Geoffrey Carter’s command, broke off from the rest and made their own way to the west (Carter was eventually apprehended by the Hashishim and imprisoned in Alamut, pending execution -- but that’ll be detailed elsewhere). The ones that Carter left behind completely devolved into madness and embraced the worship of Ubar’s dark gods, mixing it with Catholic dogma and symbolism and creating a perverted version of Christianity. When the few Templars managed to return to the Holy Land, they abandoned their Order and sailed for Europe, where they assumed their ancestral estates under the names of distant relatives. From these estates, the old Templars spread their dark religion and became the foci of local Satanic sects. Yog-Sothoth became Satan and Shub-Niggurath the personification of demonized women; Nyarlathotep, in his Black Man aspect, was Satan’s emissary. Eventually, Shub-Niggurath’s worship was dropped altogether, except in the far east, where the Templars in question revived her worship in the form of the Magna Mater (in other words, the Satanic cults in Europe worshipped Yog-Sothoth; in Asia, they worshipped Shub-Niggurath). The former Templar satanist cult becomes two distinct entities. The “religious impropriety” of these cultists became notorious, and rumors of their Templar origins became convoluted and eventually led to the assumption that all Templars practiced “black magic.” In the early 1300s, the Order was abolished and its members killed, imprisoned, and dispersed. Taking advantage of the chaos, several of the Templar cultists fled for the British isles, there establishing a new center for the cult. Eventually, however, the cult died out. Enter Colin Grieve and four of his collegues, students at the University of Edinburgh in the early 1600s. Discovering old Templar manuscripts, they trace the location of the hidden cache of documents and uncover the Templars’ dark legacy. Soon, they revive the cult, and begin to delve into necromancy, using the reanimation formula supplied by Borellus. They plunder graves and seek the secdrets of the ancients, reanimating their subjects and interrogating them. So far, they are only concerned with continuing the Templars’ delving into the occult, but to curry the favor of the Outer Gods (cheifly Nyarlathotep and Yog-Sothoth) they supply the mandated pomp of a cult, complete with rituals, meeting, and sacrifices. The cult’s activities catch the eye of the Puritans in 1649. Only Grieve remains in Scotland, maintaining the archives of the cult. The other members move abroad: one of them adopts the pseudonym “M. Raynaud” and settles in Paris. The other three, Joseph Curwen, Simon Orne, and Edward Hutchinson, take up residence in the Massachussetts Bay Colony. In Salem, they establish a new cult, drawing such people as the Whately family, the Bishops, Keziah Mason and her lover [and soon-to-be familiar] Brown Jenkin. Of course, the activities of the three cultists in Salem are accidentally exposed during the Salem witch trials in 1692, and they are forced to flee. Curwen is eventually killed in Providence, while Hutchinson flees to Transylvania and identifies with the vampire [from Lumley’s Necroscope] Janos Ferenczy, and Orne -- after attempting to pose as his “son” Jebediah -- takes up residence in Prague. Mason flees into the aether and the Whateleys and Bishops move to Dunwich. Grieve, Raynaud, Hutchinson, and Orne continue their reanimation experiments, gaining progressively more knowledge. They become locally renowned; Orne gains a reputation as an “evil old man,” while Hutchinson assumes the personna of a vampiric “Baron Ferenczy,” and Raynaud becomes the notorious Comte de St. Germaine (he also becomes a practicing cannibal, joining Paris’ ghoul cult -- the one chronicled in Cultes des Ghouls). From their new residences, they rule small cults, merging their quest for occult knowledge with adoration of Yog-Sothoth, seeking the knowledge that god provides. In 1928, Curwen’s ancestor Charles Dexter Ward released the dead sorceror via the reanimation spell, and for a short while it looked like the five immortal sorcerors’ plans for global domination (which is what their goal had become) were near fruition. Then Curwen was permanently dispatched by Marinus Bicknell Willet, who also unleashed “Specimen 117,” who was responsible for orchestrating the deaths of Hutchinson and Orne. Except, for the sake of the story, Orne wasn’t killed. For over a hundred years, the four European cultists -- Grieve, Raynaud, Orne, and Hutchinson -- had dominated “satanic” activity in their respective regions in order to provide Yog-Sothoth with an ample supply of worship, which in turn would allow them to reap the benefits the god bestowed upon them. The death of Hutchinson led to a power-vaccum in Transylvania, with several competing cults vying for control of that region. In brief, they are: A) the Yog-Sothoth cult of Simon Orne, who has designs to move in on his dead collegue’s turf. B) a “death cult” dominated by The Outsider, who has the allegiance of several Romani bands and local ghouls (leading to the local superstition that “gypsies” replace the children of good, natural born [INSERT NATIONALITY] with changelings). C) the cult of the Magna Mater, which is a more purist version of the Skoptsi and is completely composed of ghouls; they are seeking their messiah, a human who bridges the subetrranean and aboveground worls. D) a vampire cult run by followers of Janos Ferenczy, whose core is the Szagany Zirra. E) a vampire cult run by the followers of Faethor Ferenczy, whose core is the Szagany Ferengi. [There is, admittedly, some overlap with Brian Lumley’s Necroscope series, but it is minimal and can easily be removed or altered to ignore the Necroscope material. On a similar note -- both Colin Grieve and M. Raynaud seem to be creations of Lumley and are used in Necroscope IV; both, however, are cited as correspondents of Orne, Hutchinson, and Curwen. Is there any way to seek Lumley’s permission to use those chartacters, at least, in a limited manner? I mean, the DG sourcebook has refernces to Nyarlathotep as The Walking Man of Stephen King’s The Stand....] Anyway, these forces are vying for control of the region in the thirties and fourties, with several of them propping up local political groups (like The Outsider, whose “cult of death” becomes central to the philosophy of the Romanian Legion of the Archangel Michael). That is where the story breaks, for now... Eventually, events lead to the formation of the Blackwood Strategic Institute in the US, an anti-Soviet think tank that has a way of influencing global events. At the head of the BSI, of course, is Josef Nadek -- Simon Orne -- and his mansion in Virginia begins to look more and more like Burwen’s Pawtuxet farm... But I’m getting ahead of myself. As background, how is this? Please comment. This is by no means a “final copy,” just one, fluid idea. Thanks, Mark _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Graeme Price [graemep@immagene.mcg.edu] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:11 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Yog-Sothoth Witch Cult on 9/20/01 3:02 PM, ElLocoToro@aol.com at ElLocoToro@aol.com wrote: Some interesting premises here, perhaps enough to base a campaign around. Some observations follow... > So here¹s my idea: In the 1200s, a Templar expedition commanded by Sir > Geoffrey Carter left the Holy Land for the Hashishim fortress of Alamut in > modern-day Iran, where they had been granted access to the Assassins¹ massive > occult library. Using resources found in that library, the Templars mounted a > joint expedition with the Hashishim to find the lost city of Ubar and Irem, > the many-columned subterranean metropolis beneath Ubar. I would consider re-naming the lead templar. Carter is a "common" name (by which I mean the name of a commoner, being a trade name, rather than a member of the nobility)... you'd probably be better off with something like D'Astoine or some such psuedo-french (remember is he was "British" then the 1200's is only 140-240 years after the Norman invasion - not enough time to develop a fully anglicised name). Also the motivation for the Hashishim to work with the Templars is unclear. Although unification of all 3 religions was a Templar pipe dream, my guess is that the Hashishim wouldn't buy into collaboration that readily. Note that a good resource for info on the Templars is the book "The Temple and the Lodge" by Balgent and Leigh (IIRC) that should be easily available... you should definitely check this out, and check the DGML archives... we had a discussion about Templars a couple of months back. > The ³religious impropriety² of these cultists became notorious, and rumors > of their Templar origins became convoluted and eventually led to the > assumption that all Templars practiced ³black magic.² In the early 1300s, > the Order was abolished and its members killed, imprisoned, and dispersed. > Taking advantage of the chaos, several of the Templar cultists fled for the > British isles, there establishing a new center for the cult. Eventually, > however, the cult died out. The Baphomet thing and links to the Green Man cults should come up here as well. > Enter Colin Grieve and four of his collegues, students at the University of > Edinburgh in the early 1600s. I thought that this was too early for the university of Edinburgh to even exist... but imagine my surprise when I checked their website and found: "The University of Edinburgh was originally the College of Edinburgh or The Tounis College, founded in 1583 by the Town Council of Edinburgh, under general powers granted by the Charter of King James VI, dated 14 April 1582." Who knew? Anyway, enough from me. Later Graeme -- graemep@immag.mcg.edu _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of CelticHound [celtichound@foobox.net] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 6:08 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Another random tidbit Right by the airport is the Los Angeles Air Force Base (home of Space and Missle Systems). I just drove by there, and they've used garbage bags and duct tape to cover the words on all their signage. I'm pretty sure they used MIL-SPEC "stealth" garbage bags (black). Is the idea that in case bin Laden attacks, as a typical male he'll refuse to ask for directions? In any case, the base is now safe from the Raveous Bugblatter Beast of Traal. -- CH _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jessthecatasc@eircom.net Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 6:23 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Speculation and the scene on the ground here < But it *was* funny. < < And we *all* need funny at the moment. I know Im waaaay late with this (really should use email more than once a week...but porn is so distracting!!!), but heres something that proves the world is still a strange, in a funny way, place: The Moonies are trying to buy QPR (Queens Park Rangers, neighbours of Brentford FC). Not the moonmen, or even the Moomins, the Moonies. Its on www.BBC.co.uk. < > The Man in Black is : going to burn in hell for this post. Thank God for Athiesm then? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Edward Lipsett [translation@intercomltd.com] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:51 PM To: Delta Green Subject: [DG] Japanese CoC at Yahoo (Japan) In case anyone's interested in Japanese-language versions, the boxed basic set is at JY4500, at: http://page3.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/c10348344 There are a number of other CoC items, and a fair amount of books, too: http://search.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/search/auc?p=%A5%AF%A5%C8%A5%A5%A5%EB&alocale=0jp&acc=jp will give you a list of all theitems with "Cthulhu" in the title. ===== There are many people - happy people, it usually appears - whose thoughts at Christmas always turn to books. The notion of a Christmas tree with no books under it is repugnant and unnatural to them. - Robertson Davies, "The Merry Heart" ===== Edward Lipsett Intercom, Ltd. Fukuoka, Japan translation@intercomltd.com http://www.intercomltd.com Tel: +81-92-712-9120 Fax: +81-92-712-9220 _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 9:00 PM To: DGML Subject: [DG] My Delta Green Wish List I would most like to see a Delta Green Operations Manual (A Players Guide) containing more Tradecraft: how to set up a Green Box, a variety of sample Green Boxes, Stupid Calling Card Tricks, an examination of the DGML Secure Server System, an introduction to military culture for ignorant civilians (I mean gamers), and a detailed example (or "Textbook Case") of a typical non-mythos investigation for each of the big three (FBI, CIA, and NSA). A section needs to be devoted to the varying methods Delta Green uses to get it's Agents time away from their day jobs so they can pursue the Mythos needs to be in the Tradecraft chapter as well. This would contain things like how ADAM (or his successor) creates Multi-Jurisdictional Task Forces, how the DG friendlies at the Pentagon arrange for Temporary Duty through the Old Boy Network, how Delta Green people sacrifice vacation time to go undercover using false identities. And perhaps a section on how our British counterparts in PISCES do all of the above as well. I'd like to see a section on how local law enforcement, detailing the County, State and Municipal organization in America, as well as Police organization in Britain and Europe. How U.S. cops interact with federal law enforcement, as how they might deal with manifestations of the Mythos should be addressed as well. GURPS Cops promises some of this, but I have a bad feeling it won't fully address the topics most suited for Delta Green (horror, international, and federal-local interaction). Sample Agents, each with a different mythos experience and thus "mythos specialty", could provide useful examples of how to apply the character generation "formula" given in the basic Delta Green Book. A few fully fleshed out NPC friendlies suitable for consulting and behind the scenes bureaucratic manipulation should be included to provide some support personnel. Another Book I'd like to see would cover Europe and perhaps Africa, particularly the French and German response to the Shan troubles in the ESA. What people running a British campaign need is a rough guide to the European Space Agency, especially the spy stuff. This is getting a bit beyond my area of expertise, which is why I'd like to see it. Delta Green Products In Development: (As far as I know) The Cult of Trancendance Our Darkest Hour Eyes Only Compendium (Machinations of the Mi-Go, The Fate, Project RAINBOW) Some sort of Vampire Thing from John Crowe (might just be a straight up mythos thing, not DG) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 9:09 PM To: DGML Subject: [DG] Why don't the Shan Target NASA? 1) They HAVE targeted NASA, you naive fools! 2) They are deathly afraid of Majestic, because they realize Majestic is using alien technology unknown to the Shan. 3) The Mi-Go went and layed the SMACK-DOWN on the Shan, and the Shan know better than to mess with the best Yuggoth has to test. So can you dig that, SUCKA? 4) It is difficult to orchestrate a NASA launch of a Shan Templeship located in the Severn Valley. Although according to this: http://www.spacetoday.org/Rockets/Spaceports/LaunchSites.html There are no major launch sites in England, the closest being Andoya in Scandinavia, and Torrejon in France. And my GLASS FOREST and STRANGE RAIN point towards Kourou, French Guiana as the most likely launch point, which is farther from the U.K. than Cape Canaveral (but much easier for the Shan to penetrate, especially considering Majestic) The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Farnell [daf@fukuoka-u.ac.jp] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 10:11 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] My Delta Green Wish List The MiB is writing to Santa early--he must remember what happened LAST year (see Section 8 at the DG site): > I would most like to see a Delta Green Operations Manual (A Players > Guide) containing more Tradecraft: [snip] I'll second that emotion. And I recommend contacting whoever wrote the very good tradecraft sections of _Cthulhu Live: Delta Green_ to do at least part of it. Tradecraft questions are very common here, so it's an obvious need waiting to be filled. Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:08 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] My Delta Green Wish List From: The Man in Black >Sample Agents, each with a different mythos experience and thus "mythos >specialty", could provide useful examples of how to apply the character >generation "formula" given in the basic Delta Green Book. I'd also like to see a Sample Delta Green Cell, complete with current members, a full history, when the cell was formed, how the members were recruited, what Red Herring Test they were given, and what investigations they've undergone. This would basically be a "Textbook Case History" for Delta Green itself. Something else to include might be a discussion of variant Cell Structures: the 3D tetrahedron model used in Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, the multiplicity of alphabets and duplicate cells, alternate and out of order cut-outs, etc etc. Man the list has been dead today... don't worry tho, I can do ALL THE DISCUSSION BY MY DAMNED SELF! I can even conduct my own personal flamewar against that retarded brain-damaged loser who thinks he's so special... that's right, I'm talking about Daniel Harms, who isn't even on this list anymore, worthless quitter. The Man in Black is : carrying the WHOLE load. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Patricio Gonzaga [pagon48@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:36 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] My Delta Green Wish List The Man in Black wrote: >Delta Green Products In Development(As far as I know): The Cult of >Trancendance, Our Darkest Hour, Eyes Only Compendium (Machinations of the >Mi-Go, The Fate, Project RAINBOW), Some sort of Vampire Thing from John >Crowe (might just be a straight up mythos thing, not DG) ..And John Tynes wrote (to me): "The DGWWII book is not in active development, however. We may get back to it someday, but other projects are keeping us busy for the foreseeable future." As a fan of John H. Crowe's work, I'm intrigued by The Vampire Thing mentioned above. Care to share any details about this project? How about MYSTERIES OF MESOAMERICA? Ia! Patricio Gonzaga "He looked like Peter Lorre, but then everyone in Innsmouth looks like Peter Lorre, even my landlady." -- from "Only the End of the World Again", by Neil Gaiman _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:41 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] My Delta Green Wish List > Man the list has been dead today... don't worry tho, I can do ALL THE > DISCUSSION BY MY DAMNED SELF! I can even conduct my own personal > flamewar against that retarded brain-damaged loser who thinks he's so > special... that's right, I'm talking about Daniel Harms, who isn't even > on this list anymore, worthless quitter. You could always flame me. WHAT? You disgust me. Not worth your time? That's a lie they tell you because they can't figure out how to divide a mill. WHAT? Come get some. Oh, that's right, I got some Shan goodness for you right here *taps forehead*. WHAT? I've seen worms with more reason to be pleased with themselves than you. WHAT? > Our Hero later bites down on some "suicide capsules" injected with some > of the 'small doses' from the DCWO bag and breathes some really stinky > bad breath into the face of some asshole. Our hero belongs to the L cell and goes by Leto, right? Keeps mumbling about riding giant worms, and the whole planet being converted to desert... ObDG: There is none, and because of this, a cell of agents will be assigned to sneak into my room, throw me in a sack, tie the sack up, and beat me. After morale improves, they'll cart me off to a giant human trebuchet constructed specifically for this task. They will load me onto the trebuchet, and launch me over to Innsmouth. Addendum: No, it's -constructed out of- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 12:11 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] My Delta Green Wish List At 04:36 AM 9/21/2001 +0000, Patricio Gonzaga wrote: >>Delta Green Products In Development(As far as I know): The Cult of >>Trancendance, Our Darkest Hour, Eyes Only Compendium (Machinations of the >>Mi-Go, The Fate, Project RAINBOW), Some sort of Vampire Thing from John >>Crowe (might just be a straight up mythos thing, not DG) > >..And John Tynes wrote (to me): > >"The DGWWII book is not in active development, however. We may get back to >it someday, but other projects are keeping us busy for the foreseeable future." We on DGWW2 have been chugging along, and I am currently in talks with others about kicking things into high gear. It feels like the time to start bringing this altogether and move it past the stage of vaporware. I have put a lot of work into DG WWII already, and I plan to put in significantly more work. The situation now is whether that work will end up in a WWII product for Delta Green, for CoC as a whole, or perhaps elsewhere. At the very least, it'll end up where it's been for a number of months now - on the web. Gil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord [wardjr@aston.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:45 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers On a computer, far, far away, Janusz A. Urbanowicz wrote: > Heh the same way was here in Poland. [snip] Something else that is often forgotten is that most of the work done to decrypt Enigma was done by the Polish. The "Bombes" used were of a Polish design (modified at Bletchley from memory). Oh, and remember that Colussus was built to decrypt the Lorenz cipher (the one used by Hitler and his high command), not Enigma. http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk Jon -- Jonathan Ward || "Strange, the transfers stopped after about 30,000." School of Engineering || "After 32767?" Aston University || "Oh. Yeah." *click* j.r.ward@aston.ac.uk || [Real conversation at a previous place of work] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord [wardjr@aston.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:49 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Potatoes from elsewhen On a computer, far, far away, Alek James Hidell wrote: > Potatoes from elsewhenWasn't there a horror movie made back in the 1970s > about a killer mutant potato marauding a small Idaho town called "the > Being"? "You'd better watch out for the eggplant that ate Chicago, For he may eat your city soon." http://imagination.org/lyrics/the_eggplant.html Jon -- Jonathan Ward || "Strange, the transfers stopped after about 30,000." School of Engineering || "After 32767?" Aston University || "Oh. Yeah." *click* j.r.ward@aston.ac.uk || [Real conversation at a previous place of work] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:43 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] An Introduction... Good Morning! ElLocoToro@aol.com schrieb: > I joined the DGWWII list a couple of months ago, and never posted an > introduction. I hope this suffices... > > My name is Mark Romaniw Welcome to the list, Mark. eckhard _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:04 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] My Delta Green Wish List From: talaphid >You could always flame me. You make me sick, stepping on my lines. WHAT? Are you proud of yourself that you can't even come up with your own spiffy catchphrase? I ought to sue you for gimmick infringement. WHAT? You're pathetic! >After morale improves, they'll cart me off to a giant human trebuchet >constructed specifically for this task. They will load me onto the >trebuchet, and launch me over to Innsmouth. I have more respect for the fine people and fish people of Innmouth than that. ObWHAT?: WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT? WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT? WHAT? You make me sick! The Man in Black is : sick ALL THE TIME these days. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:26 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: DGML silence ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Man in Black" > Man the list has been dead today... don't worry tho, I can do ALL THE > DISCUSSION BY MY DAMNED SELF! Yeah. I've noticed. I'm glad to see you have a sense of duty, keeping things going, but then I always knew that you did. Rock solid. Heart of oak. I think people are - I think the pleasure of imagining the end of civilisation has gone sour. It's odd. every other list I'm on has erupted in discussion of the WTA towers outrage. We have just clammed up. In embarrasement, kind of. Could this be the end of the DGML? Or could this signal its reduction to "just another gaming list" (he said with complete knowledge of the bloody arrogance of such a description, and I don't care)? What is the right, the proper, thing to do? The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of yanasikt@superonline.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 6:27 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: DGML silence > Could this be the end of the DGML? Or could this signal its reduction to > "just another gaming list" (he said with complete knowledge of the bloody > arrogance of such a description, and I don't care)? Certainly not. How heavy the impact of the attack is, life has ways to pull you in its numbing current. Oh, we will realize once again how sweet it is to let ourselves flow with the current and go on with our previous ordinary daily activities. "Human mind is crippled by memory" said someone whose name I forgotten. Now, may I say it's blessed ? I know it from the first hand. I witnessed terrorism, a cataclysmic quake that killed 40K in a minute. It all fades away. > What is the right, the proper, thing to do? Wait for a few weeks. One by one threads of conspiracies will open up. We'll even say that it's a DG op to finish the Fate. We'll talk about the possibility of Karotechia involvement rather than islamic terrorist as it was the case in Oklahama bombing. See you, Tolga YANASIK Istanbul / TURKIYE _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of the fiend [turner23@thehub.com.au] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 6:40 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] My Delta Green Wish List i'd have to say, not being a gunfondler and the kind of kid who needed to memorise from an early age the difference between two bars on a jacket and three bars on a jacket...... I would love to see a well researched article for future delta green international info that lays out the ranks of the various agencies, especially the armed forces, as not every army, navy, or air force use the same systems. and if, as a keeper, you're gonna send your boys into the ukraine, they might want to ask for a captain, and you might want to have fun with who they are shown to. otherwise, i think the best has allready been asked for. agent fiend except, of course, for a dg cell with friendlies in an expansion of hills rise wild. i will finish and test the one's i've done up one day. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:28 AM To: DGML Subject: [DG] WHAT? http://www.genetix.com.mt/intro/sam.swf This is the best website I have EVER seen. I may never have to speak to anyone while at my computer ever again. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 6:44 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: DGML silence From: "Andy Robertson" > It's odd. every other list I'm on has erupted in discussion of the WTA > towers outrage. We have just clammed up. In embarrasement, kind of. Actually, I've been quite relieved that we *haven't* been discussing "what to do" on this list. After seeing the pointless flame wars erupting over that topic on other lists, this place feels nice and safe and sane. Ironically, one former member of this list was on another list that was having such flame wars, and using the opportunity to take pot-shots at the DGML, suggesting that the DGML is the proper place for "spreading rumors and macho pouting." What a prick. If he'd been here, he would've seen us handle it with far more maturity and consideration for others than he could manage on his best day. Rather than arguing (except for a couple of perfectly understandable minor flareups), we shared our feelings, let each other deal with it in our own ways, offered support. It was really heartening, and it assured me that this list still has a real heart. And since about a jillion other lists and discussion boards are obsessing over the topic, I'd rather just leave it to them. I'm spending hours each day talking it over with family and friends and coworkers and students, and I really hope I'll continue to be able to come here and relax and talk about Delta Green instead. Also, have we really been having that much of a dip in traffic? The fall in the number of posts started before the Fall of the Towers--I figure we're still recovering from moving the list and the recent spasm of auto-unsubscriptions. I dunno--I'd rather just stay on-topic. If somebody wants to use the terrorist attacks to work up a DG conpiracy theory, as some have done in small ways already, fine--I won't fault them. Hell, go for it. I just don't know if I could muster up the desire to join in this soon. Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Joni Virolainen [joni.virolainen@welho.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:33 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] My Delta Green Wish List > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com > [mailto:owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com]On Behalf Of The Man in Black > > I would most like to see a Delta Green Operations Manual (A Players > Guide) containing more Tradecraft.... [snip] In the meanwhile GURPS Espionage and (unfortunately out of print) Operative's Manual for Millennium's End are quite good sources for that kind of info. // J _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 7:00 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: DGML silence Turkey Boy (yanasikt@superonline.com), who has both light AND dark meat, wrote: > I know it from the first hand. I witnessed terrorism, a cataclysmic quake that killed 40K in a minute. > It all fades away. Terrorists caused the quake in Turkey? I thought the Brotherhood of the Skinless One was a Nyarlathotep Cult, not a Cthonian Cult... Hmm... I guess those Nazi Tectonic Agitators reverse engineered from Elder Thing tech weren't just a rumor after all. I smell Italian Geologists working with the Skinners... > We'll talk about the possibility of Karotechia involvement rather than islamic terrorist as it was the > case in Oklahama bombing. Where the Blue Hell have you been Turkey Boy? The WTC hadn't been rubble 48 hours before I posted that the catastrophe was instigated by the Karotechia's Arab Bauer. It was crystal clear that The Evil Doctor Bitter's first mass sacrifice as directed by Der Fuhrer in Mein Triumph has been perpetrated by the Karotechia. ALPHONSE has possession of at least two copies of Mein Triumph (one from the DEAD LETTER incident, another from SEE NO EVIL). Given this information, Delta Green will undoubtedly conduct a probe into corporations and individuals leveraged to profit from a World Trade Center collapse. This will lead back to La Estancia in no time. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nerva Vels [nerva.ramos@verizon.net] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 7:10 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: DGML silence not silent. just formulating new theories to deal with the sudden re-subs and shifts in subscriptions, as well as carefully investigating recent newsworthy events and current horrors. That's what the people on this list are doing. really. nana nervy there's a conspiracy in this somewhere.... _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Lee Williams [lee@grizz.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:27 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] My Delta Green Wish List /lurk OFF/ ----- Original Message ----- From: The Man in Black To: > > ObWHAT?: WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT? > WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT? > WHAT? You make me sick! > > Is it just my imagination, or has the MiB turned into Neddy Seagoon? Lee Williams. ------------------------ 'Sergeant? Chap with the wings, five rounds rapid' - Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart. /lurk ON/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 6:32 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: DGML silence ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Could this be the end of the DGML? Or could this signal its reduction to > > "just another gaming list" (he said with complete knowledge of the bloody > > arrogance of such a description, and I don't care)? > > I know it from the first hand. I witnessed terrorism, a cataclysmic quake that > killed 40K in a minute. It all fades away. You are right, of course, if it's numbers of dead that we are considering. This toll is less than a fifth of those killed in cars in the USA, every year. And it's a very, very, little thing when compared to death toll of the ancient wars that have eternally convulsed Eurasia, from Tyre down to Hiroshima and Dresden. And the Yanks are not soft, though they tend to be a bit demonstrative. If this happened once a week they'd learn to live through it. But it seems to me that it has a great *moral* effect. And it's that that has shut people up. For one thing, it may signal the end of the dream of the New World - the dream of a new land free of those old tribal and religious conflicts. Secondly, I suspect the effect on the world economy is going to kill an hundred times as many as the direct attack. The US economy was a debt-based bubble before this happened: it is collapsing now, it seems, and there is nowhere else to take up the strain. (I know Turkey is in deep trouble.) The feeling is that "it's downhill from now on". --- *** --- I ain't complaining. Maybe we in the West needed to grow up. One day we too will have learned through many lessons to say "it all fades away". But I feel something has changed. I actually would, deeply, value the opinion of others on the list. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:14 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] My Delta Green Wish List From: Patricio Gonzaga >"The DGWWII book is not in active development, however. We may get back to >it someday, but other projects are keeping us busy for the foreseeable >future." They're pathetic. They make me sick. But it IS on the their list of things to do one fine day in the far far future when Space is the Final Frontier. >As a fan of John H. Crowe's work, I'm intrigued by The Vampire Thing >mentioned above. Care to share any details about this project? It was mentioned that Crowe was up to some Vampire thing, probably to be released in 2012 sometime. You know how Pagan's release schedule is... that's what happens when controlled substances impact the game industry. Damn Pagan drunkies. I hope they enjoy the peanut-butter warhead I'm firing their way, thank gawd George Washington Carver invented the peanut. But as they say: "CRACK DON'T SMOKE ITSELF, YOU KNOW!" > How about MYSTERIES OF MESOAMERICA? The BUTLER did it. WHAT? The Man in Black is : pretty sure that Butler fellow is part of some Butlery Conspiracy. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 6:44 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] My Delta Green Wish List ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Williams" > > WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT? > > > Is it just my imagination, or has the MiB turned into Neddy Seagoon? Oh my. You are lucky he doesn't know who Neddy Seagoon is . . . "Only ten watts? You're not very bright are you, Neddie!" The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord [wardjr@aston.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 7:23 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: DGML silence On a computer, far, far away, Andy Robertson wrote: > Secondly, I suspect the effect on the world economy is going to kill an > hundred times as many as the direct attack. The US economy was a > debt-based bubble before this happened: it is collapsing now, it seems, and > there is nowhere else to take up the strain. (I know Turkey is in deep > trouble.) Ponder on this little snippet: http://popularmechanics.com/science/military/2001/9/e-bomb/print.phtml Time to watch "The Survivors" and read "Canticle for Leibowitz" Jon -- Jonathan Ward || "Strange, the transfers stopped after about 30,000." School of Engineering || "After 32767?" Aston University || "Oh. Yeah." *click* j.r.ward@aston.ac.uk || [Real conversation at a previous place of work] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 7:26 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: DGML silence From: David A. Farnell <1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp> >Ironically, one former member of this list was on another list that was >having such flame wars, and using the opportunity to take pot-shots at the >DGML, suggesting that the DGML is the proper place for "spreading rumors and >macho pouting." What a prick. If he'd been here, he would've seen us handle >it with far more maturity and consideration for others than he could manage >on his best day. Aren't you glad I rid the DGML of these people before they can stink up the place? I swear, I'm a genius. WHAT? A GENIUS! WHAT? PS: Superdave, you make me sick. WHAT? The Man in Black is : a genius. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/