From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 7:27 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Cc: DGMLDISCUSSION@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DG] new DGML Backup/Archive List on Yahoo OK, I've gotten no reply from the list owner of the DGMLDISCUSSION list, after 3 tries (on the DGML, on DGMLDISCUSSION, and offlist), and it has remained unsubscribed for several weeks--it seems time to declare it "abandoned in place." So, I have created a replacement for it, here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DGMLbackup For those who are wondering what the hell I'm talking about (WHAT?)--Some months ago, Mark McFadden casually tossed out a brilliant idea (as he is wont to do) to allow people to get the DGML in digest form, among other things. "Popeyesays" (a list member who seems to have disappeared) immediately acted on the idea and created the DGMLDISCUSSION list on Yahoo Groups. It's worked very well for some people, but it has fallen into dereliction with the disappearance of its sole moderator, the only guy who can sign it back up after the DGML moved. The new one, "DGML Backup," will work much the same way. It is *not* a replacement for the real DGML! Rather, it's an extension: it allows subscribers to receive the DGML in Digest form, or even just read it on the Web. (To post on the DGML, you will still have to subscribe to the real thing--but if you're only interested in lurking, you could just subscribe to the Backup alone.) Another very useful extra is the much more easy-to-search Archive (however, since that Archive only started yesterday, there won't be much to search until it grows larger--links to the Ice Cave and the DGML's archives, both of which have their own special advantages, are in the Bookmarks section). And, as the name suggests, if the DGML ever goes down again (gawd forbid), we can use it as an emergency backup. *In all other situations, however, please do not post messages to the DGML Backup List!* They will not appear on the real DGML, and may cause a lot of confusion. (Also, messages to the Moderators should be sent direct, not to the list. I'm only planning on checking the backup list once a week or so to make sure things are running smoothly and nobody has posted porno in the Pictures area. And, yes, I will be inviting a few others to become Moderators, so the list can't die again.) Other, lesser benefits: Members can conduct polls on the list site, post bookmarks, documents, pictures, and sound files, and probaby other things I haven't discovered yet. There are some disadvantages. Every email (or every digest) comes with a little ad. Messages often arrive out of order, and sometimes arrive at the Yahoo list days or weeks later than they arrived on the real DGML. These are big reasons why we never just moved the real list to Yahoo. Also, to join the list, you have to sign up with Yahoo Groups first. To do so, go here: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups All ideas for improving the DGML Backup are appreciated. This isn't *my* list--it's ours. But Yahoo requires that somebody be officially in charge. Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 6:53 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: DGML silence ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord" To: > > Ponder on this little snippet: > > http://popularmechanics.com/science/military/2001/9/e-bomb/print.phtml Ohhh sweet. thinks. Reverse Netutron bomb. Take out the robots. > > Time to watch "The Survivors" and read "Canticle for Leibowitz" Been there, done that. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 8:00 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] new DGML Backup/Archive List on Yahoo From: David A. Farnell <1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp> To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Cc: DGMLDISCUSSION@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:41 AM Subject: [DG] new DGML Backup/Archive List on Yahoo >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DGMLbackup >Other, lesser benefits: Members can conduct polls on the list site, post >bookmarks, documents, pictures, and sound files, and probaby other things I >haven't discovered yet. I wouldn't mind adding a few files, FAQ's, photos, and whatever else. Bookmarks are a good idea too, as the links on the DG secure server aren't updated regularly or in a timely fashion. I volunteer to be the Moderator in charge of these things (Division of Labor Dave... Division of Labor). I can't help but wonder if special announcements from the group could make their way onto the list, for announcing Polls and New Files and other such petty annoyances. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 8:02 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] My Delta Green Wish List -----Original Message----- From: Lee Williams >Is it just my imagination, or has the MiB turned into Neddy Seagoon? No you jackass! I've turned into Stone Cold Steve Austin. The Man in Black is : Stone Cold. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bill Nichols [themaninawhitecar@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 10:11 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: DGML silence --- Andy Robertson wrote: > I think people are - I think the pleasure of > imagining the end of > civilisation has gone sour. > We have just clammed up. In > embarrasement, kind of. > Could this be the end of the DGML? > What is the right, the proper, thing to do? Well, I for one have often wondered at the amount of effort placed on the "End Times" on this list. After all, most of the role-playing takes place in the time leading up to that. In any case, it's altogether one thing to imagine, through role-play, horrible events that lead to the deaths of thousands of people. It's quite another to watch CNN (as I did) and watch two 110-story towers burst into flame and then collapse. To this end, I quote the CoC rule book (5th edition, p.10) "The purpose of horror roleplaying is to have a good time. Right down to pounding hearts and sweating brows, it's part of human nature to find pleasure in being scared, as long as being scared is not for real." I am sure none of us are having a good time right now. These events are all too real and so there is no pleasure to be had from a game which tries to simulate such feelings, albeit in a safe environment. > But I feel something has changed. I actually > would, deeply, value the > opinion of others on the list. Certainly things have changed. I for one am only beginning to fully understand the changes that have occurred. For instance, while I understand the reasons, I am a little uncomfortable with having a Secretary of Homeland Defense. Have you heard anyone criticize this? Nor will you. Even liberal Democrats are lining up in support. What had been a heavily criticized 'threat to civil rights' just last year (this has been proposed before) is now being welcomed. But to return to the game. This is not the end of the DGML, just as it is not the end of Call of Cthulhu. Now is just not the best time for a horror role-playing game. In the days and weeks ahead, that will change. Those who are able to bring some humor onto the list, such as the cuddly MiB, will just have to carry the load for the time being. Bill __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 10:29 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: [DG] Stephen's phone I was digging around in the basement at Warehouse 23 and found something oh-so-DG-relevant, and can't help but share it with the list. A regular looking modern telephone with a built-in clock. The telephone works normally, but if you set the clock to a different time the phone will place calls to that time. If you dial a number that wasn't in service at that time then you get the familiar "That number is not in service" recording. This allows you to call Woodrow Wilson, for instance. So why is this so DG-relevant? Because this has got to be Stephen Alzis' phone! I can picture it sitting there on his mahogany desk below Club Apocalypse. And it explains so much about how he operates. Heck, he might even have a cell phone with the same function. Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord [wardjr@aston.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 10:50 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: DGML silence On a computer, far, far away, Bill Nichols wrote: > This is not the end of the DGML, just as it is > not the end of Call of Cthulhu. Now is just not > the best time for a horror role-playing game. In > the days and weeks ahead, that will change. Personally, I never play the "End Times" bit anyway in my games. Thus the recent events won't have that much affect on the one I am currently running. As for something having changed, I think it is best described as "loss of innocence". I have two cow-orkers here who remember the Cuban Missile Crisis. They are reminicsing that the current feeling in the air is almost identical. One of them remembers being in London, and seeing the vapour trails of the V-Wing (delta wing bombers) as far across the sky as the eye could see. My parents lived in Birmingham on the night of the Birmingham Pub Bombings. My mother (a doctor) worked triage, while my father directed ambulances outside. It shook them to the core, and it did leave scars. But they healed. It will take time. If we live through this crisis, then we can, and will heal. Some people may never heal completely, but a very wise friend of mine once told me: "This too, will pass." A true double-edged piece of wisdom. Jon -- Jonathan Ward || "Strange, the transfers stopped after about 30,000." School of Engineering || "After 32767?" Aston University || "Oh. Yeah." *click* j.r.ward@aston.ac.uk || [Real conversation at a previous place of work] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:04 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: DGML silence From: Bill Nichols > I am a little uncomfortable with >having a Secretary of Homeland Defense. Have you >heard anyone criticize this? Nor will you. You're about to hear some RIGHT now. I think the Office of Homeland Security sounds a whole lot like a bureaucracy destined to become a secret police organization designed to oppress. Sure, they'll only oppress nasty islamic nutcases at first, but the slippery slope of oppression doesn't have to end with Islamic Terrorists. For example, people who discuss national security matters, gunfondling and paranormal ties to the occult should be detained for long periods of time under a suspension of Habeus Corpus and Corpus Delecti or whatever Corpus might be en vogue this week. After all, isn't homeland security more important than civil liberties right now? And just because Thomas Jefferson wrote that "those who would trade their freedom for security deserve neither" doesn't mean we have to listen to his 200 year old obsolete nonsense. After all the World Trade Center never vanished from Jefferson's America. The real beauty here is that we can simply slap a National Security Classification on any evidence that freedoms are being trampled roughshod in the name of the War of Terrorism. This robs the courts of their most important function: interpreting the law. OHS makes me sick. It's pathetic. WHAT? It's a symptom of the disease infesting freedom, the disease of blind patriotism. The annoying thing is, that any politician publicly opposing OHS would be committing political suicide. In a democracy, we get the government we deserve, and it looks like we deserve a Police State. The Man in Black is : sicker than ever. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:15 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: DGML silence At 12:32 PM 9/21/2001 +0100, Andy Robertson wrote: >You are right, of course, if it's numbers of dead that we are considering. >This toll is less than a fifth of those killed in cars in the USA, every >year. Believe me, statistics offer no comfort here. I've tried to explain to my wife that if this became a declared war and I were to enlist (which I'd be doing now if I wouldn't be 4F for a multitude of reasons) the chances of my being killed are much less than being killed in traffic going to work in the long run. She didn't believe it, and, in my heart, I don't either. >And it's a very, very, little thing when compared to death toll of >the ancient wars that have eternally convulsed Eurasia, from Tyre down to >Hiroshima and Dresden. America is a country made by war. Yeah, in theory, so is every other country, but the United States has been perpetually at war with someone since we were colonies. If it wasn't the French, the British, the Mexicans, ourselves, the Spanish, the Germans, or the Soviets and much the Third World, we always had the Native Americans to fight/eradicate. We arguably had a few years of unstable peace in the late 19th century, the '20 and '30s, and the 1990s, but even then we had our military actions or our phony "wars" - "war on alcohol", "war on poverty", "war on drugs". Maybe it's because we defined ourselves as a nation so strongly during WWII that we need a "war" to really be "American", but I don't think this begins at 1945. This shit goes way back, when a bunch of Jesus-freaks and just plain restless Europeans were confronted with one dark, mysterious, and very dangerous wilderness, and found that they liked the taste of what it brought out in them, bloodlust and all. >For one thing, it may signal the end of the dream of the New World - the >dream of a new land free of those old tribal and religious conflicts. That dream was stillborn. When our armored divisions were stopped at the Euphrates in 1991, the score was obvious. An ungodly number of human lives just got wiped off the face of the Earth so that gasoline would stay below $2 a gallon. New World Order, my ass. Other dreams got born around that time, including the zeitgeist that DELTA GREEN taps into. I called my folks soon after the WTC tragedy to make sure all was okay, and I was struck by my father, who likes to see conspiracy theory everywhere, talking about who benefitted from this (ie. energy companies like Enron who back GWB, those who want to rape the Alaska Wildlife Reserve and plant eight hundred oil platforms off the coast of California) - and I just didn't want to hear it. Conspiracy theory about this just makes it all so damn petty, like the whole FDR knew the Japanese were coming for Pearl Harbor business. I don't know if it's the end of DGML because we're all too shell-shocked to post stuff on supernatural horror. It could be the end of DELTA GREEN because the conspiracy genre, already starting to get played out in post-millenial era, has been dealt a death-blow by all this. People don't want conspiracy, they want to hang flags. They want Steven Spielburg, not Oliver Stone. They don't want the X-Files, they want Touched By An Angel. As a liberal Democrat, lapsed Catholic, a card-carrying ACLU member, and a minority, watching the changes in my countrymen over the past week has frankly scared me. I've seen us respond to religious fanaticism with more religious fanaticism. I've seen us respond to those that would strip us of freedom from fear by calling for stripping us of our civil liberities. And I've seen us respond to an act of senseless violence against civilians that has awakened the sleeping giant of America by preparing for more violence that could kill many more civilians and awaken the sleeping giant of a radicalized Middle East. And yet, I don't think we have any other choice. They have bloodied our soil. Forget Pearl Harbor. This would be akin to the British negotiating a peace with the Nazis following the Blitz. We must respond, no matter what the consequences, no matter if it means the longest, bloodiest, costliest conflict in our history. No matter if it destroys us as a world power, as WWII did to Britain. I am going to be 30 next month, I am married, college-educated - I don't need to go to war. Hell, I'm at least 60 lbs overweight, have worse than 20/200 vision, and had gallbladder surgery earlier this year - I *shouldn't* go to war. But on the day after Sept 11, I started a diet and hit the gym for the first time in months. I'll get laser surgery to correct the vision, which I know has been approved in the USAF at least. And by this time next year, when America might be confronted with casualties from fighting in the mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan, desert warfare in Iraq, and containing civil wars in Saudi Arabia and Egypt, they might very well need bodies, even an old disgusting specimen like me. If there is a draft, I can probably easily get a deferment - I won't take one. It might mean coming back in six years with no job prospects. It might mean never having a child because my wife is too old to bear one safely. It might mean giving up everything I ever dreamed of for me and my family, including my own life. It mean being involved in prosecuting one of the worst tragedies in human history - but I am willing to do this. And that is what fundamentally scares the hell out of me - because if a person like me -liberal, cynical - is willing to go that far, I can only wonder how far those used to patriotic bloodlust are willing to take this. When the old folks talked about Pearl Harbor, they never mentioned this terrible fear. I think understand why now. >Secondly, I suspect the effect on the world economy is going to kill an >hundred times as many as the direct attack. The US economy was a >debt-based bubble before this happened: it is collapsing now, it seems, and >there is nowhere else to take up the strain. (I know Turkey is in deep >trouble.) America came out an economic victor after WWII because the rest of world was in ashes. I would only say to look who might be in the same situation at the end of this. We might have to suffer the same hegemony from the Chinese in the 21st century that the world has felt in the 20th from the US. >I ain't complaining. Maybe we in the West needed to grow up. Watching Palestinians dancing in the streets made me feel the same response about them. Don't think I don't sympathize with their plight, but I don't think they fully understand what the US can do to them and will do to them if this becomes a full-blown war. That's not jingoistic saber-rattling - look at Vietnam today to see what happens when this giant brings its might to bear. It doesn't matter who wins or loses thing - our cities will be scarred from their terrorism, and what is left of their homes will be burnt to ash and then the ash sown with salt. The destruction will be awesome and horrible, and Vietnam will pale to what is possible with modern weapons thirty years later. Afghanistan has known war like few other countries, but the hell American can bring to bear against them is unimaginable. We will all do some growing up once the smoke clears on this, and what we grow into will be much diminished from what we were. >But I feel something has changed. I actually would, deeply, value the >opinion of others on the list. You just got mine. I don't know how to put this into DG-relevance, and I don't want to. That's not to say that relevance isn't there - America going to war and becoming a police state changes everything. I woke up yesterday morning to read the San Francisco Chronicle website and see a headline to the effect that the Afghan clerics were calling for bin-Laden to go. The relief I felt is the likes of which I can't recall. To read further that the call was vague and not strong enough brought all the fear rushing back. Like I said, I am lapsed Catholic, which is different from atheist - I can still pray, even though I believe no one hears that prayer. And I pray that we can avoid the times that are to come. But I don't think we will. Gil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Ethan Butterfield [primus@veris.org] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:22 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: DGML silence -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 06:03:52AM -1000, The Man in Black wrote: > And just because Thomas Jefferson wrote that "those who would trade > their freedom for security deserve neither" Benjamin Franklin, actually. > OHS makes me sick. It's pathetic. WHAT? It's a symptom of the disease > infesting freedom, the disease of blind patriotism. The annoying thing > is, that any politician publicly opposing OHS would be committing > political suicide. In a democracy, we get the government we deserve, and > it looks like we deserve a Police State. More like a Evangelical Christian Police State. (And where's Snake Pliskin when you need him?) Of course, the writing's been on the walls for this turn of events for years. Besides our new set of jackbooted thugs (doubleplus notgood), Senators railing on the floor of the Senate against the evils of unbackdoored encryption (remember, kids: Crypto backdoors save lives!), and the SSSCA (cue evil maniacal laughter from Jack Valenti), this country has gotten perilously close to the point of making my job (network security. Oh no! I must be an eeeeeevil hacker person!) illegal. This is why I'm seriously thinking of emigrating to somewhere nice and far the HELL away from everyone else, like New Zealand. Either that or finally getting together with the couple of other guys who I planned it with, and performing the ritual to raise Mighty Ctuhlhu off the shore of Honolulu Harbor. I figure the heavy metals and tourists will piss him off so much he'll go insta-berserk and eat everyone. - -- "Nothing's the same anymore." - Cmdr. Jeffrey Sinclair, Babylon-5, "Chrysalis" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7q2kSAmwSMwnpLHgRAuQ2AJ9fz0/QO2jZ8jlWddcS/DdSKG6XUACgvbN2 lMEatSgwPfU1kMsbO03Rx2Y= =CxFw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 12:36 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Test 2 this is a test too Talibans, No Global I promise I'll explain DM T,I _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 12:35 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] test - 1 this is a test. I'll explain later. DM T,I _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bill Nichols [themaninawhitecar@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:26 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: DGML silence --- The Man in Black wrote: > >From: Bill Nichols > >I am a little uncomfortable with > >having a Secretary of Homeland Defense. Have > >you > >heard anyone criticize this? Nor will you. > > You're about to hear some RIGHT now. I think > the Office of Homeland > Security sounds a whole lot like a bureaucracy > destined to become a > secret police organization designed to oppress. Ah, good. I was beginning to think I was the only one crazy enough at this point to not be wholeheartedly in favor of such a position. Perhaps this is something we can discuss here, since this is a topic which does not deal directly with the tragic events, but yet does have some DG-relevance due to the government and intelligence-based nature of this new position. > Sure, they'll only > oppress nasty islamic nutcases at first, but > the slippery slope of > oppression doesn't have to end with Islamic > Terrorists. Perhaps, in game terms, certain members of Majestic-12 came to President Bush with offers of expertise and 'other' forms of assistance? "Mr. President, the intelligence agencies of the U.S. government are simply not equipped to effectively fight this war against terrorism. We have other means at our disposal. All we ask is a Cabinet-level post from which we can coordinate our efforts." > For example, > people who discuss national security matters, > gunfondling and paranormal > ties to the occult should be detained for long > periods of time under a > suspension of Habeus Corpus and Corpus Delecti > or whatever Corpus might > be en vogue this week. You mean, "THEY" aren't already watching me? Damn, maybe my psychiatrist is right. > The real beauty here is that we can simply slap > a National Security > Classification on any evidence that freedoms > are being trampled > roughshod in the name of the War of Terrorism. > This robs the courts of > their most important function: interpreting the > law. Here perhaps is what an organization such as Majestic would find most attractive. Under such conditions, they would be able to operate more easily, as well as more openly. > OHS makes me sick. It's pathetic. WHAT? It's a > symptom of the disease > infesting freedom, the disease of blind > patriotism. The annoying thing > is, that any politician publicly opposing OHS > would be committing > political suicide. In a democracy, we get the > government we deserve, and > it looks like we deserve a Police State. It looks like we here in the U.S. are going to have to watch carefully, that this new Cabinet post does not overreach into areas we do not want it to go. I do hope members of Congress, as well as the Courts, will also be keeping tabs on its efforts. Bill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of REFLECTING SKIN [reflectingskin@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:47 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: DGML silence [Completely Off-Topic] I know that I swing further to the left than most of the people here or in the country. But here is exactly what Bush's speech sounded like to me last night; "Hello America,Im creating a gestapo for your own safety. To all them foreignors - We want anyone we define as a terrorist delivered to our door, if you dont deliver them and with a fucking smile, we will bomb the shit out of you. If you disagree with our policy, your a collaborator and we will bomb the shit out of you. If you do not accept our offer of Peace and Democracy we will bomb the shit out of you. We're gonna bomb the shit out of anyone who gets in our way. And we might bomb the shit out of some of you who do agree to help us, just to make sure you dirty foreigners know your place. If you dont like it you can kiss my ass. Thank you, and I'm glad that this happened because now everyone has forgotten I'm not the elected President. Goodnight and God Bless." -Reflecting Skin- "How now Brown Cow I'm down with the Mau Mau, Clown downtown tried to put us in the dog pound, like H. Rap Brown with the situation,(Won't get no callouses),cause I'm spittin dialectical analysis. So how is this, we never had no Funk until you found out that I turned into a revolutionary, Punk!" - The Coup, Genocide & Juice And yes, that is the same "The Coup" being eaten by the music press over the planned album cover for "Party Music", which was designed in july and featured the WTC exploding behind the members of the band. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:05 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: DGML silence Way I see it, our rather crappy society, which has been getting steadily worse over the past God-knows-how-many years has finally degraded to the point where it's visible. It's not the end of the world and democracy as we know it, but it's the most noticable step on the road so far. Unless Bush manages to pull some miraculous victory out of his Big Bag 'O Tricks And Bad Syntax for this, like nabbing Bin Laden, then people are going to see what NATO's can really do - namely ponce around and do bugger all, surprised their enemies haven't given up already; or for the countries to invoke Article 5 and then all back out with *very* good reasons, leaving one or two countries to co-ordinate something by themselves 'in the name of the free world'(with you in spirit, guys...); or for NATO to attack Afghanistan. None of the above scenarios seem particularly promising, and the biggest problem is that people might actually begin to realise that agreements, treaties, etc. aren't worth t! he! paper they're printed on. If that happens, we're in REAL trouble. Things have changed. Our(not the US, but the world) arrogant belief in peace; our taking for granted of a calm life; our supreme and baffling confidence in ourselves, the human race, as the most intelligent and evolved species on the planet; all these have been damaged, if not destroyed. This could be a good thing, if it were in better circumstances. Truth is far more apparent now than it was a month ago. But the price is too high. Roll on the freakin' clowns. Voidchaser. Tired, Annoyed, And Cynical. PS- If this makes sense to people, you need to get more sleep. If this offends or annoys anyone, I'm very sorry. I'm not exactly writing at my best. But I think I need to say this, for myself if no-one else. Feel free to ignore it. > >But it seems to me that it has a great *moral* effect. And it's that that >has shut people up. > >For one thing, it may signal the end of the dream of the New World - the >dream of a new land free of those old tribal and religious conflicts. > >Secondly, I suspect the effect on the world economy is going to kill an >hundred times as many as the direct attack. The US economy was a >debt-based bubble before this happened: it is collapsing now, it seems, and >there is nowhere else to take up the strain. (I know Turkey is in deep >trouble.) > >The feeling is that "it's downhill from now on". > > --- *** --- > >I ain't complaining. Maybe we in the West needed to grow up. > >One day we too will have learned through many lessons to say "it all fades >away". > >But I feel something has changed. I actually would, deeply, value the >opinion of others on the list. > > > The Glove Cleaner > > > > > > >_______________________________________ >The Delta Green Mailing List >http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Matt "TrollBoy" Wiseman [trollboy@shoggoth.net] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:52 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] My Delta Green Wish List The Shoggoth Network, bringing you misplaced information in places it was never meant to go via noneuclidean organic technologies for over 1,000 years proudly brings the following aberration to the TCP/IP stream: "The MiB talks big, but did he ever take a bullet for Adam Scott Glancy? I know I did! He picked me up and used me as a body shield, an honor to which our Hawaiian friend might only aspire. Through my sacrifice, I have conquered! Mwahahahahahaha!" ;-) Yrs., Daniel Harms vonjunzt@hotmail.com We now return you to your regularly schedule mayhem, Matt "TrollBoy" Wiseman Webmaster: Shoggoth.net Site Designer: phpslash.org The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown. -H.P. Lovecraft --------------------------------------------------------- Please do not resell my e-mail address to anyone or send me unsolicited e-mail --------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Man in Black" To: Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [DG] My Delta Green Wish List > From: The Man in Black > > >Sample Agents, each with a different mythos experience and thus "mythos > >specialty", could provide useful examples of how to apply the character > >generation "formula" given in the basic Delta Green Book. > > I'd also like to see a Sample Delta Green Cell, complete with current > members, a full history, when the cell was formed, how the members were > recruited, what Red Herring Test they were given, and what > investigations they've undergone. This would basically be a "Textbook > Case History" for Delta Green itself. > > Something else to include might be a discussion of variant Cell > Structures: the 3D tetrahedron model used in Heinlein's The Moon is a > Harsh Mistress, the multiplicity of alphabets and duplicate cells, > alternate and out of order cut-outs, etc etc. > > Man the list has been dead today... don't worry tho, I can do ALL THE > DISCUSSION BY MY DAMNED SELF! I can even conduct my own personal > flamewar against that retarded brain-damaged loser who thinks he's so > special... that's right, I'm talking about Daniel Harms, who isn't even > on this list anymore, worthless quitter. > > The Man in Black is : carrying the WHOLE load. > Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum > http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] > http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:46 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: How to get Military Personnel assigned to Temporary Duty to Delta Green was: Re: [DG] 23 OK: >From: trueprophet@talk21.com > > >Let'ssee, DG...um....Got any good reason a Navy SEAL would be allowed >totake days off to go particpiate in DG ops? It's not like he's a >governmentagent...any plaudsible ideas?(bearing in mind I know nothing >aboutthe US navy or SOC..) > > >easy as pie. You do like... >Pie...don't you? WHAT? Um...yes actually. Especially apple pie. Although that strange potato pie that's been doing the rounds is also pretty tasty. And somewhat...oddly coloured somehow... No, actually, I'm wrong. I should have remembered that's a perfectly healthy colour for a potato... Wow! What can I say! A response from the MiB which is succinct, to the point, pertinent and 9/10's free of profanity!(directed at me, anyway...) Is Kenneth ill? Thanks for the info. I'll bake you a pie sometime. Voidchaser PS- A solicitors set up a week or so ago just off my road. The name is 'Curwens.' Should I be afraid? Anyone happen to know that Resurrection spell backward? Oh, apologies for the truly awful spelling and grammar of my previous e-mail. It'd been a long day. > > > Actually, I've been quite relieved that we *haven't* been discussing "what > to do" on this list. After seeing the pointless flame wars erupting over > that topic on other lists, this place feels nice and safe and sane. > Ironically, one former member of this list was on another list that was > having such flame wars, and using the opportunity to take pot-shots at the > DGML, suggesting that the DGML is the proper place for "spreading rumors and > macho pouting." What a prick. If he'd been here, he would've seen us handle > it with far more maturity and consideration for others than he could manage > on his best day. Rather than arguing (except for a couple of perfectly > understandable minor flareups), we shared our feelings, let each other deal > with it in our own ways, offered support. It was really heartening, and it > assured me that this list still has a real heart. Oh how I agree!!!! In my opinion the last two weeks showed the real character of this list. Sure, there was silence. But at least there weren't endless flamewars about completely OT political issues. The list known as "That other CoC related list" was a splendid example for how a list can get choked by hundreds of political statements. The dude from that list David is mentioning - and who uses the SA-list pretty often for DGML bashing - was among the busiest of the flamewarriors. Actually I guess we do have to thank Chris Womack - IIRC - who asked the list to remain calm when the first news about that hideous crime came in. And what I really like about this list: After a brief period of confusion, sadness and checking if all of the members from the NYC area are still among us, the first members started to either theorize about the incidents in game terms or were joking about it to cheer us up. Great. And personally I think that one of the reasons for a certain silence - in addition to the change to revolutionsf.com and its aftermath - is the fact that in the moment we - especially we internet-users - get bombarded by many, many conspiracy theories concerning the WTC crash, one more fucking stupid than the other. I guess this kind of hurt our feelings as the elite of conspiracy theorists. eckhard _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:03 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Blame the Karotechia Well, maybe I ought to check in to give the MiB a break. First up, let's Ob some DG. Let's lay the blame for 9/11 squarely in the lap of the Karotechia. They are within Six Degrees of every player both before and after. Due to Paperclip and the Gehlen Org after WWII, let's say that the CIA's thinking has been compromised by bad advice from "ex"-Nazis. While they were busy fucking up in Cuber and alienating Central America and overthrowing South American governments and making kissy-face with any number of totalitarian shitheads and enabling the military coup in Egypt by sweetening the pot for Otto Skorzeny, they were accepting anything that Gehlen supplied them without verifying the assertions. This is why the collapse of the Soviet Union came as a "surprise." This is why the CIA Fact Book repeated the official Soviet figures for the population of Moscow when any competent perusal of a map (taught in all the military academys) would reveal that the waterways, roads and rail lines to Moscow simply could not support such a population. The Cold War was the result of Karotechia manipulation, part of the "See-saw Politics" strategy. Get the two forces "Ex"-Nazis have been dabbling in the Mideast since the end of the war, most notably in Egypt. Since it is canon that all neo-Nazi and skinhead organizations are controlled by the Karotechia, it can be assumed that they had something to do with the OK City bombing as well. All evidence of accomplices of Timothy McVeigh were buried or ignored in order to speed up the trial and execution. This was the Nazi cabal within the CIA covering their tracks. Osama bin Laden was trained and supplied by the CIA when he was fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan. Let's assume that the advisors were more of the Nazi cabal. This piss poor idea was sold to with the old "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" logic that already had US intelligence arming and aiding various shithead factions around the world. The faulty equation that says anything anti-Communist is a good thing. So, the Soviet Union collapses and one half of the see-saw is essentially eliminated. Now it's the US's turn. This will be accomplished by screwing with the economy and manipulating events to get the US into an ongoing War on Terrorism that will continue for years. Cruise missiles will make lots of collateral damage and martyrs and furious relatives willing to make more kamikaze attacks on the Great Satan, which will inspire more air attacks which will make more martyrs and so on. The US will be too busy fighting enemies that don't make good targets while simultaneously trying to impose martial law without actually declaring it. Imagine the domestic conflicts of the 60s combined with the occasional destruction of a landmark. This will leave the Karotechia free to manipulate a newly unified Europe, which was the plan all along. Let me quickly point out that this is a fictional conspiracy. I don't think the real world is quite that organized. But. As I've said before, conspiracies don't have to be true to be useful. Isn't it amazing that events seem to always be in line with the Evil Old White Men Behind The Scenes model? You can predict economic trends, the outcome of elections, the passage of legislation, *just as if they were really there*. Yesterday the newspapers announced that Boeing is laying off 30,000 employees. They claim it's due to 9/11. Normally they'd wait for the first headline that had the word "recession" in it, but a terrorist attack will do. Let the feeding frenzy begin. Somewhere in South America, three evil old white men laugh until they piss. Mark McFadden Has bad dreams about the Reichstag fire. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Til Eulenspiegel [til_e@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:04 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: DGML silence Friday, 21 September 2001 Hello all, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Robertson" To: Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [DG] Re: DGML silence [snip] > But I feel something has changed. I actually would, deeply, value the > opinion of others on the list. > [pins] My opinion? Okay Andy, you asked for it. (MiB, you've seen some of this--assuming you don't just delete those emails unread.) POSSIBLE FLAME-BAIT --TAKE IT OFF-LIST-- (as if I won't delete rants unread) What changed? 11 September 01 revealed the myth of America Unassailable as a lie. The post-Cold-War era ended with the sole remaining superpower's nose bloodied in spectacular fashion. American citizens and the rest of the world had a good scare, a brush with the reality of our technology's destructive potential. The attack itself was no more than that. America faced worse in the past, and the attack itself wasn't terribly bad. Last Tuesday's attack and the ceaseless repetition of video showing the assault performed a kind of memetic surgery, excising the fantasy of Fortress America from the idea-space of everyone who saw it. The OKC bombing failed to do this. After all, _Americans_ lay behind that attack. It simply didn't count. It didn't trigger the idea of "foreign assault on our shores." America Unassailable, born in 1989, sustained by an unusual surge of economic growth, died last Tuesday. Without more terrorist attacks, this quietude won't last. Its resurrection has begun, with a new name "Homeland Defense" and a Cabinet-level spirit guide to bring it through the lands of the dead. Let me remind everyone other nations faced worse: France conquered during WW2, Germany conquered and divided then, the list goes on with an entry for nearly any state you name. Let me remind everyone America itself faced much worse: the War of 1812, the Civil War, internal stresses of the Great Depression, WW2, and worst of all--the Cold War. Remember that? All of us lived through decades when we lay only a short time away from nuclear exchange that might have devastated continents. This would have caused a new Dark Ages at best, and possibly mass extinction. We have faced worse, and of our own making. Losing a few buildings and thousands of lives doesn't compare with the background each of us survived. (Assuming of course, that the risk of nuclear exchange is any lower nowadays.) On that note, let me remind people of how much worse it could have been. The CDC's response teams went to New York, but left quickly having found no trace of biological attack. (How many of you had anthrax shots? Smallpox?) Despite Russia's great troubles, this was not a nuclear attack. The New York attack used jet fuel; the Tokyo attack used sarin. I don't mean to trivialize the horror and the loss, but I do want to offer some perspective. Andy's point about annual deaths in automobile accidents also gives good context for our loss. MiB's post about the new Homeland Defense Office pretty much mirrors my concerns. Defend democracy by vigorously practicing democracy. Fax your representatives, your senators, your vice-president :) and tell them what you want them to do. Tell them when they screw up, tell them when they do something right. You have a vote--use it. I care about what you say, but more that you say something at all. ObDG: MiB's post about Karotechia, Bill Nichols's post about MAJESTIC as Office of Homeland Defense, they both make good points. I expect the NYC Ghouls tunnels shook when the buildings fell, and if their gods deserve worship, these ghouls knew enough beforehand to quickly tunnel in and pick up survivors. There's a sort of reverse dungeon crawl in that idea. Trapped survivors manage to struggle free from the wreckage, only to find themselves in strange, fetid burows. They struggle to find their way out, but are eaten one-by-one instead. Who benefits? Like many other trends, the curve comparing destructive power available to individuals with time has a very positive slope. As the End Times approach, does the stimulus-response curve also grow very positive, even exponential? Look at the reaction to 11 September world-wide: the fear, the anger, the sorrow. It took three planes crashed into buildings--and millions of repeated viewings of the event on televisions worldwide to create this response in an increasingly desensitized and overstimulated population. Who benefits from this change in the global emotional climate, who gains from this psychic storm? It's not the Old Ones or any other Lovecraftian horror, dead, dreaming or otherwise. All our wailing and gnashing of teeth, all our rejocing and praise-singing, makes no difference no matter the subject. No one benefits. No thing benefits. We compose a tiny part of a Universe both perfectably equitable and perfectly uncaring. Lovecraft's creations horrify through forcing us to recognize our fundamental inadequacies. We are flawed and small and stupid; we have potential unrealized and unrealizable. Even the best of us only dimly understand the tragic human condtion. We are irrelevant, and that horrifies us. Capture it in your game if you can. dugger@vss.fsi.com : duggerj1@home.com : til_e@hotmail.com Go give blood: (800) GIVE-LIFE This too shall pass. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 7:10 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: DGML silence ----- Original Message ----- From: "David A. Farnell" <1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp> > having such flame wars, and using the opportunity to take pot-shots at the > DGML, suggesting that the DGML is the proper place for "spreading rumors and > macho pouting." You mean that's NOT what the DGML is for? I suggest "spreading rumors and macho pouting *with style* ". The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of yanasikt@superonline.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 7:46 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: Re: [DG] Re: DGML silence > Terrorists caused the quake in Turkey? OK, I'm sorry for not writing more clearly. I meant that for years I heard news and seen videos of terrorist attacks all over my country and personally witnessed a major quake. Please do not think that I'm underrating what happened in NYC. I'm just saying that there will come a time that you're going to make all sorts of crazy speculations about the incident as what you feel right now wears off. >catastrophe was instigated by the > Karotechia's Arab Bauer. It was crystal clear that The Evil Doctor > Bitter's first mass sacrifice as directed by Der Fuhrer in Mein Triumph > has been perpetrated by the Karotechia. This is exactly what I meant. See you, Tolga YANASIK Istanbul / TURKIYE _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 8:29 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] My Delta Green Wish List From: the fiend >the ukraine, they might want to ask for a captain, and you might want to >have fun with who they are shown to. http://www.tridentmilitary.com/Ukrainianmilitaria/ http://www.sovietarmy.com/ranks/ranks_fm.html The Ukraine follows the Soviet pattern. I think this information is easily accessable and would contribute nothing to the game if included in a Delta Green Operations Manual. I mean does anyone give a shit if Captain Fuckoff of the Vodka Forces is a Captain of the First Rank, Second Rank or Third Rank? He's still a Fuckoff. This is Pagan Publishing we're talking about, and Delta Green, not Osprey and Obscure Military Minutiae of the World. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jussi Marttila [velcrokf@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:01 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] My Delta Green Wish List >From: "The Man in Black" [wishesfishes snipped away] A book having tradecraft would be good. Why? Well, most people (read: no me) have lives and never learn these things on the DGML and other fun sources (read: Paladin Press fun stuff). So, a book you could hand over to the players to read so they could get in-character would be fun. Actually, you can always hand over Ellroy's "American Tabloid" and "The Cold Six Thousand" for them to read, but it's hard to get people to read over a thousand pages without resorting to violence or bribes. But I agree, this book would be swell. Also, it would look kewl in the bookcase next to DG and CD. Jussi, Freelance Espionage Specialist and Writer (hoping to become a Generic Political Talkshow Specialist some day) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 9:04 AM To: DGML Subject: [DG] Yahoo Groups DGMLbackup : INFINITE RECURSION! As I understand it, DGMLBackup is subscribed to DGML@revolutionsf.com, and NOT vice versa. This means that posts emanating from DGML Backup will not appear on the main DGML. This will cause confusion in the future, as I'm thinking about it and it's giving me a headache. However, if some wiseacre manages to add DGML@revolutionsf.com as a member to DGMLBackup, then posts will be enter an infinite loop that is sure to get a lot of people in trouble, as email bombs are bad. Keep in mind that ONLY subscribers to DGMLBackup will get announcements of new Polls, Files, Photos and other annoying psuedo-spam. And that there really is no way to combine the lists without causing the aforementioned infinite recursion. The Man in Black is : going to push the feud between DGML and Strange Aeons. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of david wienecke [dwienecke@usa.net] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 10:04 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [[DG] My Delta Green Wish List] >"The Man in Black" wrote: >I would most like to see a Delta Green Operations Manual (A Players >Guide) containing more Tradecraft: how to set up a Green Box, a variety >of sample Green Boxes, Stupid Calling Card Tricks, an examination of the >DGML Secure Server System, an introduction to military culture for >ignorant civilians (I mean gamers), and a detailed example (or "Textbook >Case") of a typical non-mythos investigation for each of the big three >(FBI, CIA, and NSA). Hell Yes! My measly offering is how to move questionable equipment to the needed locations across the country and the world. We use two different friendlies, one in the DOD and one in the Diplomatic corp. They have provided a diplomatic pouch for goodies and the DOD contact provided the paper work and the lead seals for POTUS boxes (property of the US). Which allow us to work around security measures most places. We do not use it to often due to the high profile of both methods but in a pinch it works. On a side note: Under the current U.S. Security measures I do not know how well these will work now that we have a cabinet level "internal security appointee". Of all the changes after the bombing this scares me the most. I see a new potential power base that could become on the order of the Gestapo and the KGB. Dave W. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 7:50 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: DGML silence Greetings. > > Man the list has been dead today... don't worry tho, I can do ALL THE > > DISCUSSION BY MY DAMNED SELF! > >Yeah. I've noticed. I'm glad to see you have a sense of duty, keeping >things going, but then I always knew that you did. Rock solid. Heart of >oak. > >I think people are - I think the pleasure of imagining the end of >civilisation has gone sour. Don't look this way. The end of civilization is still my paramount leisure activity The reason for my extended silence has nothing to do with the Mythos or the Talibans or what. Quite simply, I'm supposed to produce 200+ pages of highly insightful discussion of the Messinian Salinity Crisis and related geological phenomena (including maps and graphics) by the 10th of November at the latest (discussion and consequent achievement of True Doctorhood being scheduled for somewhere around November 25). The crazy bit is I've been informed of this state of affairs on the 6th of September, after my data base was ripped to shreds, half of my main bibliography dumped as useless, about 40 new titles added to it (but my library access having been cancelled), and my highly-specific software support and dazzling graph-rendition packages disavowed and reduced to a stale copy of MS Office. All the while, of course, I'm also keeping my Japanese fresh as the proficiency exam is December the second (roughly one week after the dissertation). And I'm also working on some fiction (you can't put a hold on inspiration) and nursing a toothache. So you wanna me post some commonplaces about potatoes? >Could this be the end of the DGML? Or could this signal its reduction to >"just another gaming list" (he said with complete knowledge of the bloody >arrogance of such a description, and I don't care)? Give us time. "It is not dead...." and al that sort of stuff. Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:56 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Why don't the Shan Target NASA? Good Evening. The Man in Black schrieb: > 1) They HAVE targeted NASA, you naive fools! > > 2) They are deathly afraid of Majestic, because they realize Majestic is > using alien technology unknown to the Shan. > > 3) The Mi-Go went and layed the SMACK-DOWN on the Shan, and the Shan > know better than to mess with the best Yuggoth has to test. So can you > dig that, SUCKA? Actually the Shan *did* try to infect the NASA in an operation of large proportion that failed: A PanAm Jumbo full of shan infested beings exploded over Lockerbie on its way from London to the USA... And nobody thanked Col. Ghaddaffi and his organisation "Fist of Allah" for this strike against the mythos. eckhard _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 10:21 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Re: DGML silence If nothing else, we now have an appreciation of why Agents are Agents. They've seen something they don't want to ever happen again, risks be damned. In another way, so have we. <> _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Christopher (Case Officer) [christopher@delta-green.com] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 1:02 PM To: DGML Subject: [DG] test test _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Graeme Price [graemep@immagene.mcg.edu] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 12:47 PM To: Delta Green Mailing List Subject: [DG] DG: Test - Ignore 1. 1,2. 1,2,1. 1,2,1,1. 1,2,1,2,1. 1,2,1,2,1,sibilant. 1,2,1,2,1,sibilant, sibilant. Don't blame me. You didn't ignore it! Graeme _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Christopher (Case Officer) [christopher@delta-green.com] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 1:34 PM To: DGML Subject: [DG] It LIVES We're getting the list back online after a server problem cropped up that caused majordomo - and I'm paraphrasing tech support here - to commit explosive seppuku. But it should be all better now. Let me know if there are any further problems. Shane Ivey christopher@delta-green.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Janusz A. Urbanowicz [alex@bofh.torun.pl] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 1:39 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Yahoo Groups DGMLbackup : INFINITE RECURSION! The Man in Black wrote/napisał[a]/schrieb: [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > As I understand it, DGMLBackup is subscribed to DGML@revolutionsf.com, > and NOT vice versa. This means that posts emanating from DGML Backup > will not appear on the main DGML. This will cause confusion in the > future, as I'm thinking about it and it's giving me a headache. > > However, if some wiseacre manages to add DGML@revolutionsf.com as a > member to DGMLBackup, then posts will be enter an infinite loop that is > sure to get a lot of people in trouble, as email bombs are bad. This is properly called 'software laser' (or email laser in this case). Alex -- C _-=-_ H| Janusz A. Urbanowicz | ALEX3-RIPE | SF-F Framling | | * ; (_O : +-------------------------------------------------------------+ --+~| ! &~) ? | Płynąć chcę na Wschód, za Suez, gdzie jest dobrem każde zło | l_|/ A ~-=-~ O| Gdzie przykazań brak dziesięciu, a pić można aż po dno; | | _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 2:47 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Yahoo Groups DGMLbackup : INFINITE RECURSION! > > However, if some wiseacre manages to add DGML@revolutionsf.com as a > > member to DGMLBackup, then posts will be enter an infinite loop that is > > sure to get a lot of people in trouble, as email bombs are bad. > This is properly called 'software laser' (or email laser in this case). Even now I see Dr. Evil (he didn't go to freakin' Evil Medical School for 8 years to be called MISTER Evil) plotting to use an "email la-ser" to cut a borehole ... Okay, I'll stop. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/