From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jonas Bolander (ERA) [Jonas.Bolander@era.ericsson.se] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 8:55 AM To: Delta Green (E-mail) Subject: [DG] Cold Water Army? California Grays? International Brotherhood of Old Bastards? Invincible Club? I happened to stumble over this list of Fraternal Organizations. Some of them are even linked. If you ever need ideas for more or less weird societies that the Agents can get paranoid about ... http://www.exonumia.com/art/society.htm /JoB (So many letters. So few Sanity-points.) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of moorebros@earthlink.net Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 9:20 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Ghouls WTC Thank you to whomever posted the paragraph on the ghouls burrowing into the debris of the WTC. I ran with it at our game last night, My players appreciated the "ripped from the headlines" feel of the game and it was suitiably tasteless. Here is a short write up of the adventure: WTC Ghouls 9-22-01 Father Bill, Agent Gabriel, a highly trusted friendly, is in New York visiting friends on Sept 11, when the WTC is bombed. He immediately heads towards the disaster to render assistance. Early on the morning of the 12th, Father Bill gets the call on his pager and an invitation to a Night at the Opera. He is given instructions to go to an apartment safe house and wait for an Agent Gene, with whom he is unfamiliar…. Agent Gene, a NSA agent in New Orleans is also invited to a Night at the Opera. He is told to catch a military jet flying from New Orleans Airport to NYC with a group of NOFire fighters. During the flight he liberates two fire fighter uniforms per his instructions. He touches down and proceeds directly to the safe house. Alphonse comes on over the encrypted server as a voice not unlike the robot form Lost in Space. He sends schematics of tunnels, power water and sewage, near the WTC collapse. He has received word from his sources, a Keeper of the Faith ghoul who saw some of it, that a group of survivors are trapped in a chained service tunnel that has collapsed on the end closest to the World Trade Center. (As the WTC collapsed, a maintenance worker realized that he couldn’t make the stairs. So he and those (4) who saw him fled down a service tunnel. It was a Clean and Sober meeting for AAA meeting on the third sub-floor.) The Heretic ghouls scented the heroin one of the addicts had on his person and realized that this was a perfect larder for fresh meat. They tunneled into the service corridor, killed/robbed the man with the drugs took the child a mother had died saving and threatened the other survivors. They reburied their entrance tunnel and checked on the survivors every few hours. One of the ghouls bit the fingers off one of the three women’s hands as she pleads to be released with her arms stretched through the bars. Alphonse tells them there are Ghouls in the tunnels and they may have captured a group of WTC survivors. The agents need to rescue them. He warns they are tough to kill and can shapeshift. The agents grab a pair of M16’s from the Green Box in the safe house. They gather some equipment and head into the tunnels. They first encounter a group of NY fire fighters that are returning to the surface after a failed attempt to get to the sub floors of the World Trade Center. The majority of the fire fighters are assisting one of their hurt comrades. One offers to lead the pair of agents past a difficult crossing in a damaged service pipe. He does, then actually, once out of sight of the characters, is attacked by the ghouls in the pipe. The damaged pipe falls down into a sewer passage. Agent Gene climbs down a rope to check the pipe. They only find the fire fighter’s jacket. A short time later a fire fighter comes walking towards the Agents, saying he is lost from his company. He comes into the light and the Agents see it is the Fire Fighter who fell in the pipe! They open fire on the obvious impostor, killing him and watching in horror as it transforms back into a ghoul. They arrive at the Service tunnel after hearing various clomps of hooves and meeps. As they try to cut the chain off the service tunnel, two ghouls rush around the corner. The agents kill one and drive off the other. Agent Gene is severely wounded. They free the survivors and head for the surface. Two ghouls in the tunnels attack them. Agent Gene is killed as well as one of the ghouls. Agent Gabriel, Father Bill, leads the survivors to a manhole. There is a car parked on top that is moved, and an arab in a white suit(my agents haven't met Alzis yet) pulls them to safety. As Agent Gabriel climbs the ladder, a ghoul in the flesh guise of dead Agent Gene says he’ll see him again. Aftermath: Well you did manage to save 5 people from the WTC despite the horrible circumstances. Feel good about it. Agent Gene's body is never found, and he is listed as having died in the rescue effort. Agent Gabriel didn't stick around so there is no media connection to Delta Green. More later... Roger Moore changing the world in good small ways, like School House Rock _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 9:44 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: [DG] Dark City: Possible DG ideas. From: Jerzy Cichocki >The same films, but Dark City is the most oryginal. If you watch anime (Urusei Yatsura 2: Beautiful Dreamer, Big O, and probably a few others) you'll discover that Dark City is one big ripoff. I was Sooooo disappointed when my illusions that Dark City was visionary and groundbreaking were shattered by the Cartoon Network. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Abdul [lordabdul@vachefolle.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 10:23 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] I wonder if I can still post here..... > He said, "Is this shirt OK?" I looked. His T-shirt had a picture > of a Steyr > AUG on it, and read "KILL the infidels!" in English. (Young > Japanese people > often wear shirts with English on them, often without knowing > what they say, > and often designed by people who don't know English. Of course they're not > the only nation that does this.) "Do you think this would bother > foreigners?" I know a guy who had this friend. He owned a t-shirt with some Chinese text on it. When roaming in a Asian area in Paris, he crossed an Asian guy who smiled. He stopped and asked why he was smiling at his shirt, and the guy quoted what was written on it : "Intellectuals, go back to the fields!". I've got myself some t-shirts with kanji on it. I still wonder what they mean. All i know is, if i had to design a t-shirt for a foreign non-english country, i'd have it written on it something like "i don't read english and i'm dumb". _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ElLocoToro@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 11:24 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Ghouls WTC Having had family that lived through the attack, I must say this is good; it doesn't get tasteless, like I thought any obvious DG material concerning the attack would. --Mark _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Marc J Cassell [nekonube2k@juno.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 11:40 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Pinky and The Brain On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:34:36 +0900 "David A. Farnell" <1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp> writes: > Agent Alek, we've all been unable to post for a couple of days. > Welcome > back. > > ObDG: Mythos cult distributes T-shirts with random English phrases > on them, > with words in Aklo or other Mythos languages embedded within. As > young > people in non-English-speaking countries try to pronounce the > strange words > phonetically, spells get cast at random around the globe. > > OK, so it sounds like a Pinky and the Brain scenario. Still, > something for > background scenery. > > Dave But weren't Pinky and the Brain Narly clutists? I could have sworn that Alizs was funding Acme labs. They had time travel powers so we know that Brian had acess to Gates. Or was it Pinky who was a powerful cultist driven mad by the secrets that the infrenal machine unlocked? Iceweb ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of John Daly [jdaly_iv@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 11:44 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Ghouls WTC I gotta say, the really subtle parts are good (and probably not even thought about) - the parallel of the Ghoul faith and the heretics reminds me of the Muslim faith and the fanatics. John --- moorebros@earthlink.net wrote: > Alphonse comes on over the encrypted server as a > voice not unlike the > robot form Lost in Space. He sends schematics of > tunnels, power water > and sewage, near the WTC collapse. He has received > word from his > sources, a Keeper of the Faith ghoul who saw some of > it, that a group of > survivors are trapped in a chained service tunnel > that has collapsed on > the end closest to the World Trade Center. (As the > WTC collapsed, a > maintenance worker realized that he couldn’t make > the stairs. So he and > those (4) who saw him fled down a service tunnel. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Thom Ryng [Thom.Ryng@tenzing.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 11:43 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Re: DGML silence The honourable MiB wrote: > You're about to hear some RIGHT now. I think the Office of Homeland > Security sounds a whole lot like a bureaucracy destined to become a > secret police organization designed to oppress. 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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 11:44 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Memewear > Who's got some ideas for Memewear, In or Out of character? If you are the government of a large country, and you've been given fifty years to let the world in on the secret that aliens exist and are among us, and you want to avoid panic, how do you do it? Well, first you might try letting it leak to the media. Oops!! Widespread UFO panic. Okay, cover-up cover-up cover-up. Well, at least people now have the possibility planted in their minds. Let the scare die down over time - you need this to be a positive thing. Just keep the meme alive with occasional crackpots. Now start introducing the grey aliens through a book about facts disguised to look like fiction disguised to look like facts. Call it Communion. Give it a sequel with a nice big picture of an alien on the cover so that even people who don't read it become familiar with seeing it on the bookshelves for a while. Then start the meme merchandising. T-shirts and hats with pictures of the Greys. Before the merchandising picks up too much speed, announce that a rock knocked off the surface of Mars a few million years ago has been found in Antarctica and may contain fossils of life. Get people used to the idea that life may have existed elsewhere but is no threat because it's all just fossils anyway. Continue with the merchandising. Skateboards and bumper stickers now. Announce that an ocean of water may have been discovered beneath the ice of Europa. One of Jupiter's moons might have primitive life living on it (in it) today. TV shows like Sightings and PsiFactor. (Or, if you prefer, Phenomen-X.) SETI@Home is announced and millions of people get involved in the search. These people are no longer afraid of alien life - they're hoping they are the ones to discover it. Hey, look at the polar ice caps on Mars! They have dark regions like the ones on Earth's caps where algae grows. Perhaps there's life on Mars today. Wow, life must be everywhere! Posters, video games. (Ever notice that there's never been a video game where you are blowing up grey aliens?) Now we're up to today. What happens tomorrow? Additional probes sent to Mars and Europa. Perhaps life on Europa is more advanced than the algae we expected. Fish swimming around being eaten by larger fish. Get the public used to the idea of larger animals alive and well today on other planets. Hey, they can't hurt us: They're just fish swimming in a ocean more than 365 million miles away. SETI begins getting more and more signals like the ones at http://www.setileague.org/photos/hits.htm and gets much needed funding when they announce that they have detected signals that need more attention as they seem man-made but are from areas where no such signals should originate. Of course, this funding is approved by the people who are already in contact with the aliens (and have been for fifty years). The new signals were sent by a beacon put into position for just this reason. The public gets excited by this alien transmission that nobody has been able to decode. (Perhaps it's even random gibberish never intended to be decoded.) Finally, when the public is deemed primed enough and ready, a coherent message is added to the signal. A message of peace. Some don't believe it, but most do. And then, a few years later, the aliens can show themselves. (Behind bullet proof glass, anyway.) The memewear that we see all around us is a key element in the effort to get our minds used to the idea of aliens. Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Til Eulenspiegel [til_e@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 12:26 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Memewear ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gatten, Marshall" To: Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 11:44 AM Subject: RE: [DG] Memewear > > Who's got some ideas for Memewear, In or Out of character? > > Posters, video games. (Ever notice that there's never been a video > game where you are blowing up grey aliens?) > Point of Fact, Mr. Gatten: X-COM, one of the great computer games of all time, involved shooting down UFOs and reverse-engineering their technology. The organization was something of a cross between MAJESTIC and DG, while the game itself was simply perfect. dugger@vss.fsi.com : duggerj1@home.com : til_e@hotmail.com Go give blood: (800) GIVE-LIFE This too shall pass. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 12:35 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Memewear From: Gatten, Marshall >Posters, video games. (Ever notice that there's never been a video game >where you are blowing up grey aliens?) It would appear that Some People have never played X-Com, where ALL YOU DO is blow up little Grey Aliens and steal their stuff in the best tradition of adventure gaming! The Key to successful roleplaying: NEVER FORGET TO LOOT THE BODIES. The Man in Black is : Looting the Bodies. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Marc J Cassell [nekonube2k@juno.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 12:44 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Memewear On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:44:21 -0700 "Gatten, Marshall" writes: > > Posters, video games. (Ever notice that there's never been a video > game > where you are blowing up grey aliens?) > > Marshall Actualy Try X-Com UFO defense. The whole point is to blow up the little grey boogers and there allies. A great game, and very popular series. Then Hasbro steped in and cancled the series take you OBDG from that. Iceweb ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Alek James Hidell [aj_hide11@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 8:14 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: [DG] Dark City: Possible DG ideas. "> I see relationship between Dark City, Matrix and the 13th Floor. > The same films, but Dark City is the most oryginal. > I think, that you can use this films to make DG scenario with > connection to Dreamlands, but not that one from Chaosium but more > horrible, like that from Freddy Kruger series." I must admit that I liked "The 13th Floor" more than "The Matrix", but that just me. I think that something along the lines of the Matrix/ 13th Floor would be the ultimate OUTLOOK mind fuck. Not so much the synthetic reality of the events, but the shock when you discover the "truth", that your entire existence is inside a computer memory bank. I've also wondered how Mr. Kruger stands up to a real dream monster like Great Cthulhu. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 12:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Good resource [was Re: Re[2]: [DG] Dark City: Possible DG ideas]. Greetings. The MiB did write the "a" word.... >If you watch anime ... you should absolutely check out a thing called Jin-Roh. Great artwork, great story, basically a primer about false-flagging, deals-within-deals, interdepartmental war. Describes perfectly the mental landscape of a field operative in a cut-throat business like Dg. It even features an illegal conspiracy within the ranks of the special forces Check that out. Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of REFLECTING SKIN [reflectingskin@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 8:09 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux OMG, I'm so glad that their's a nother liberal commie pinko peacenik on this list. Well not that there may not be more of you out there, but McFadden's the only one I've heard sound off like he's got a pair. What bothers me most about the media coverage is this. ONLY on NPR do I hear any glimmer of voices of 'dissent'. Everywhere else it's flags and apple pie, strippers, guns, beer and jesus - just like normal with gusto! I know there has to be more people who viewed this horrible atrocity as a chance to review and reevaluate our foreign policy, and wonder how they hell we got here... (not that many on this list would need anyone to tell them...american dollars to fight proxy wars, short-sighted men making decisions...etc) Peace. -Reflecting Skin- "How now Brown Cow I'm down with the Mau Mau, Clown downtown tried to put us in the dog pound, like H. Rap Brown with the situation,(Won't get no callouses),cause I'm spittin dialectical analysis. So how is this, we never had no Funk until you found out that I turned into a revolutionary, Punk!" - The Coup, Genocide & Juice >From: "The Lizard King" >Reply-To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com >To: >Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux >Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:39:34 -0700 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Davide Mana" > > > I've been keeping an eye, on/of, on the TV. > > Looks like some fucker (I use this term with the utmost respect) in the >USA > > Govt. said that maybe going a little nuclear in Afghanistan might be a >good > > idea. > > and > > > The idea being - we turn a wide chunk of their rock and sand country >into >a > > sheet of radioactive glass, they'll be oh-so scared they won't go on >with > > their terrorist crap. > > And the "moderate" stance is that we should strongarm our way into the >capitals of every country that we say harbored terrorists and bulldoze a >swath that can be seen from space, and salt the ground as the cowed >populace >stands helpless on the sidelines. > > Yeah, that'll bring about peace. I read about how London just collapsed >in >despair during the Blitz and went into submission pose. Jerusalem is so >much >safer since Israel got tough on terrorism. There's something about killing >women and children that just chills out your average terrorist, who of >course are just bullies who will cave when you stand up to them. I saw it >on >TV, so it must be true. > > DG relevance? I'm seeing a lot of factions gearing up to kill and revel >like the gods themselves. We're preparing for a war that can never end >because we will never know when we win. There will be widows and widowers >needing closure. Orphans growing up with a chip on their shoulder. Sleeper >cells, donchaknow, just waiting for us to relax. > > And then there's those damn terrorist sympathizers who want us to QUIT, >want us to GIVE IN, want us to KNUCKLE UNDER while our country is at *war*, >while our boys are *at the front*. It's nothing less than TREASON, which is >punishable by death in wartime. Slackers and liberals the lot of them. And >their music? Just noise. > > Here's a troubling dispatch from the Michael Moore newsletter. He >received >an email from a radio station manager in Michigan. Moore gets a lot of >off-the-record stuff from media insiders. The station manager passed on a >co >nfidential memo from Clear Channel, the radio conglomerate that owns his >station. Clear Channel has about 1,200 stations in 247 of the top 250 radio >markets, they dominate the Top 40 format and control about 60% of all >rock-radio programming. > > "The company has ordered its stations not to play a list of 150 songs >during this "national emergency." The list, incredibly, includes "Bridge >Over Troubled Water," "Peace Train," and John Lennon's "Imagine." Rah-rah >war songs, though, are OK." > "And then there was this troubling instruction: "No songs by Rage Against >the Machine should be aired." The entire works of a band are banned? Is >this >the freedom we fight for? Or does this sound like one of those repressive >dictatorships we are told is our new enemy?" > > > The whole broadcast has a sinister undercurrent - they are working to >make > > people feel at ease with the idea of nuclear bombing. > > They're using statistics (number of lives spared, cost benefices), and > > plain crap such as "today's atom armaments are not as destructive as the > > ones used in WW2 - they are safe and won't harm the civilians". > > Well, bugger me, that's what they call smart bombs, right? They kill >only > > enlisted men. > > Just imagine the reception to that sort of talk waaaaay back in August. >The >editorial cartoons would show the speaker foaming at the mouth. Talk show >hosts would roll their eyes and twirl fingers by their temples and the >audience would laugh their asses off. This isn't a national policy, it's a >T-shirt philosophy. It has all the depth and insight of a bumper sticker. > > > The media cover-up is a thing of the past. > > Now it's easier and politically more rewarding to acquaint the public at > > large with the concept, adding the right vectors so that no matter how >bad > > it is, there will be positive sides to it. > > The bad press is just that - derogatory propaganda. > > Go back to sleep, everything's safe. > > If this was fiction, Clear Channel would be a subsidiary of Whole Earth >Enterprises and the talking heads would all be controlled by apocalyptic >cults or enthralled by Stephen Alzis. How else do you explain sane people >seriously discussing nuking *anything* in this day and age? > > At http://www.disinfo.com/ there is an article entitled 'us terrorist >attacks: news frames and filters.' It summarizes the observations of author >Susan D. Moeller in her book 'Compassion Fatigue: How the Media Sell >Disease, Famine, War and Death' (New York and London: Routledge, 1999), >wherein she identifies a four-stage news cycle on assassination and >terrorism events. > > The first stage focuses on the images of the event, showing the most >exciting (such as the second plane striking the WTC) over and over and >over. > In the second stage of the news cycle, the dominant story becomes >disclosing the perpetrator's identity and seeking justice. Images of >suspects will be shown wild-eyed or agitated. > The third stage involves funerals and public mourning. > The fourth stage seeks closure and shows images of the status quo >restored. > > What Moeller points out is the relationship between the media and the >audience. When news became entertainment the form of the news followed the >rules of successful entertainment. Give the audience what they want. That >philosophy doesn't produce much memorable art, but it does sell a lot of >popcorn and commercial time. > > I used to use movies as a sort of moral compass. It's quick and easy and >gives pretty good results. Just ask yourself "If this was a movie, would >the >character about to do [whatever] be the hero?" I've chilled out more than a >few friends contemplating revenge or anti-social behavior with that simple >question. It's shallow but useful. > > Unfortunately, I can easily imagine a movie ending with a mushroom cloud >and the audience applauding if the villains are vile enough. Just think of >Alan Rickman or Jeremy Irons looking up at the smart bomb's POV followed by >lots of slo-mo fireballs as the audience stamps their feet. I can easily >imagine Arnold, or Steven Seagal or Sly Stallone starring in that movie. I >have no problem whatsoever seeing Eric Roberts or Lorenzo Lamas or Ice-T or >any of the other direct-to-video pantheon starring in that movie. > > Maybe that's because the movie would end with the blast, followed by a >clinch and a kiss with the heroine followed by credits and a song performed >by Frank Stallone. Maybe if the bloopers shown during the credits included >the aftermath, with the International Red Cross treating burned and blinded >children dying painfully a little reality would seep in, but the test >audience hated it so it was cut. > > Maybe instead of dwelling on the evil of the bad guys, we should be >asking >ourselves what defines a good guy. Some pundits treat that sort of question >as naive. It's a nasty old world and if you aren't as nasty as the bad guys >you will lose. Of course, if you are behaving like a bad guy you are >indistinguishable from a bad guy. Well, in that case the bad guys must have >won because there are no good guys around anymore. You are only as good as >you are acting right now. It's not like you can build up a reserve of >goodness like a Get Out of Evil Free card. If you take that sort of >thinking >to it's logical conclusion I could do some prison time up front and then >commit a crime without interference. Sound good? You bet! > > What could possibly be the *good* motive for banning 'Imagine' or 'Bridge >Over Troubled Water' during this "national emergency?" What sort of good >motive could feel threatened by such gentle "dissent?" > > I wonder if 'Won't Be Fooled Again' is on that list? You know that the >hypnotized never lie. > > Do ya? > >Mark McFadden > > >_______________________________________ >The Delta Green Mailing List >http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 12:49 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Memewear (was I wonder if I can still post here..... From: Til Eulenspiegel > Post something to 7th Chemical, and I'll give you my Yellow Sign >t-shirt. I have an awful feeling that your offer of dirty laundry has more to do with a notice for traffic to Yield than it has to do with the King in Yellow, but I'll consider it. Hmm... the only way I could see continuing the 7th Chemical at this time would be to do it with weekly Chat Sessions with email as a supplement. I just don't have energy to actually Sit Down and Write on a weekly basis these days. But sitting down and responding to Chat seems a bit easier on my fatigued spirit for some reason. Just because I'm walking without a cane these days doesn't mean my health is good, but that's enough about my pathetic personal problems. Right now I'm trying out "The Ultimate Chat Software", Trillian: http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/ This handy dandy software links IRC, ICQ, AIM, MSN Mess, Yahoo! Mess, and so forth. It is not yet capable of hosting Conferences (of the sort required for an Online RPG) but if all the interested parties download Trillian, we can meet in an IRC channel, which would give me the RAW UNABASHED POWER TO BOOT AND BAN PEOPLE. As an added bonus, Trillian supports skins, and the one I'm using is a Giger themed one in Black and Green, ideal for DG Ops. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Ethan Butterfield [primus@veris.org] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 1:00 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 01:08:36PM +0000, REFLECTING SKIN wrote: > I know there has to be more people who viewed this horrible atrocity as a > chance to review and reevaluate our foreign policy, and wonder how they hell > we got here... (not that many on this list would need anyone to tell > them...american dollars to fight proxy wars, short-sighted men making > decisions...etc) There are quite a few of us. Problem is, no one wants to hear that kind of talk right now. If you speak up about this sort of thing (how American foreign policy is just as much to blame as the terrorists, how the terrorists were not EEEEEEEEVILLLLLLLLL!!!!!, as everyone would lead you to believe, about how we've just instituted the Homeguard and the Nightwatch under the guise of "Homeland Security", and about the numbers of knee-jerk bills currently going through Congress to combat terrorism, but whose real impact will be to curtail various civil liberties in the name of "national defense"), people think you're crazy, a commie pinko, and start threatening to beat the crap out of you.[1] Folks around me have decided not to talk about 9-11 anymore. They don't want to hear what I have to say. The other day on the radio, I heard a word I hadn't heard *ever*, outside of a book. The word was "peacenik". It was used derogatorily by a talk show caller to describe those of us who don't think nuking Afghanistan into a mountain-spotted radioactive sheet of glass is a very good thing at all. [1] Only gotten the beating threat once. So far. - -- "Nothing's the same anymore." - Cmdr. Jeffrey Sinclair, Babylon-5, "Chrysalis" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7r3SJAmwSMwnpLHgRAm4GAKDSg2ECQPK0KSNVK3h9noHE5vyzhACfRXJv /1mvF4UZTSJNo5gE95OighU= =2Z/o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 12:59 PM To: DGML Subject: [DG] DGML Backup I've placed a few choice photos in the Photos section of the DGML backup. Most of these images contain my handiwork in some fashion (The March Technologies Logo, The Delta Green Webring Logo, the Tower Tarot Card featuring Nyarlathotep, The King In Yellow image). The sole exception right now is the Karotechia Recruiting Poster, which skirts dangerously close to the edge of Pornography. I can't remember where I got this, and I hate to admit it, but it does make me want to sign up for the Fourth Reich. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DGMLbackup I am currently taking suggestions for what sort of files to place in the Files section. FAQ's and other reference documents seem to be an obvious choice. But what else? The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 1:04 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Memewear [UP] > >Posters, video games. (Ever notice that there's never been a video game > >where you are blowing up grey aliens?) > It would appear that Some People have never played X-Com, where ALL YOU > DO is blow up little Grey Aliens and steal their stuff in the best > tradition of adventure gaming! > > The Key to successful roleplaying: NEVER FORGET TO LOOT THE BODIES. I used to stun everyone, because IIRC, stunning was an early/easy energy weapon as opposed to ammunition (I was always 'surprised' with short missions that became epics, so 'infinite' energy == thegood), and loot their still living bodies. I was aggrivated there was no "stomp on them until dead" option, to further ammo conservation. This reminds me of a moral dilemma mentioned in an Ultima game (old dungeoneering game), where there was one room in one dungeon that once you walked in, you could not leave until you killed all the monsters. Common enough precept, but this particular room had a child person graphic as the monster. One of the Q+A persons raised (?un?)holy hell about this, saying it glorified child abuse. The response, as I remember, was a "What kind of twisted person are you to think about killing kids? We wanted you to cast the sleep spell..." ObDG: Reminder to tie strings along the length of incapacitated foes, and then test the tense-ness of those strings. Proper lute-ing skills are important. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 1:10 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] IRC and a caneless MiB > I just don't have energy to actually Sit Down and Write on a weekly > basis these days. But sitting down and responding to Chat seems a bit > easier on my fatigued spirit for some reason. Just because I'm walking > without a cane these days doesn't mean my health is good, but that's > enough about my pathetic personal problems. How far outside your mind can you be to walk around without a cane? I mean, honestly, you have your health to consider. Mental health, that is. Why, all those people in need of swift LART application, and you without your LART... tragic. > required for an Online RPG) but if all the interested parties download > Trillian, we can meet in an IRC channel, which would give me the RAW > UNABASHED POWER TO BOOT AND BAN PEOPLE. You can also use mIRC ( www.mirc.co.uk ) to IRC. Trillian's a bit easier to start with, I suppose, but if you're going to IRC properly from Windows... _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Alek James Hidell [aj_hide11@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 1:15 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] I wonder if I can still post here..... > I know a guy who had this friend. He owned a t-shirt with some Chinese text > on it. When roaming in a Asian area in Paris, he crossed an Asian guy who > smiled. He stopped and asked why he was smiling at his shirt, and the guy > quoted what was written on it : "Intellectuals, go back to the fields!". > I've got myself some t-shirts with kanji on it. I still wonder what they > mean. All i know is, if i had to design a t-shirt for a foreign non-english > country, i'd have it written on it something like "i don't read english and > i'm dumb". This sounds an awful lot like an urban legend, you know. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 1:19 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Memewear POOR ME>there's never been a video game where you are blowing up grey aliens MC>Actualy Try X-Com UFO defense. MIB>It would appear that Some People have never played X-Com, TE>Point of Fact, Mr. Gatten: X-COM, YeeeeeOUCH!!! Okey doke. So I missed one. So amend my mind-bogglingly naive and uninformed post to say "Have you ever noticed that the only video game ever made where you were blowing up greys was one that was mysteriously yanked by Hasbro undoubtedly after Majestic agents leaned on them with threats more sinister than any normal person can conceive?" Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 1:46 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Memewear > POOR ME>there's never been a video game where you are blowing up grey aliens > MC>Actualy Try X-Com UFO defense. > MIB>It would appear that Some People have never played X-Com, > TE>Point of Fact, Mr. Gatten: X-COM, > YeeeeeOUCH!!! > > Okey doke. So I missed one. Try four. Or five. Not sure. It was a series with a minimum of three sequels. One, two, and three were the true-ish sequels, after that... I think there were plans for a Doom (er, Quake...) like X-Com incarnation, for example.. This would normally be obscuratta, except... > So amend my mind-bogglingly naive and uninformed post to say "Have you ever > noticed that the only video game ever made where you were blowing up greys > was one that was mysteriously yanked by Hasbro undoubtedly after Majestic > agents leaned on them with threats more sinister than any normal person can > conceive?" A whole series does not one yank. Whatever the social impact intended of the series, it apparently went 'too far', or off course, or a little from column a, ... _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Ethan Butterfield [primus@veris.org] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 1:59 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Memewear -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 02:45:50PM -0400, talaphid wrote: > Try four. Or five. Not sure. It was a series with a minimum of three > sequels. One, two, and three were the true-ish sequels, after that... I > think there were plans for a Doom (er, Quake...) like X-Com incarnation, for > example.. Depends on your definition of "true". (No, I never had any sexual relations with that woman.) X-Coms 1 (UFO Defense) and 2 (Terror From The Deep, which had quite a few direct Lovecraftian elements) were the turn-based Grey-stompin games we love. #3, X-Com Apocalypse, was a slowly fatal turn into real-time gaming. There's since been spawned X-Com: Interceptor (quite possibly the worst space sim I've ever played), and X-Com: Enforcer (the newest game, a first/third-person squad-level game). There was a first-person shooter in the works, X-Com: Alliance, which seems to have died stillborn. It was supposed to ship mid-summer, but was put on indefinite hold back in May. There was a short-lived "X-Com Collector's Edition" compilation which had the first three games all bundled together, and X-Coms 1 & 2 were updated to be true Windows games, so you didn't have to reboot to a DOS shell to play them. It's near-impossible to find now, but the bargain rack at your local software store may have a copy or two. I've got mine somewhere in the closet, along with the positron accelerator, three spiders, and the Deep One skull. - -- "Nothing's the same anymore." - Cmdr. Jeffrey Sinclair, Babylon-5, "Chrysalis" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7r4JWAmwSMwnpLHgRAjfCAKDhLY+EBuVG0cvm5ArvSIPtWCSjfgCeKjur VzimxzfN1tK3gFJbEZtT8Fo= =WyF1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Matt "TrollBoy" Wiseman [trollboy@shoggoth.net] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 2:44 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Memewear (was I wonder if I can still post here..... I was considering doing something very similar until I started wondering who owns the copyrights and what kind of demand there was.. was gonna hit t-shirtsw, ballcaps and polo's.. Matt "TrollBoy" Wiseman Webmaster: Shoggoth.net Site Designer: phpslash.org The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown. -H.P. Lovecraft --------------------------------------------------------- Please do not resell my e-mail address to anyone or send me unsolicited e-mail --------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Man in Black" To: Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [DG] Memewear (was I wonder if I can still post here..... > From: Sylvain Clément > > >The Yellow Sign, obviously. Of course, since it is strictly > self-centered > >(to laymen, it doesn't seem to represent anything but itself), the > >traditionally related question has to be asked through the same T-shirt > >medium. > > > Frankly, I'm amazed that Tynes hasn't gone thru cafepress to make a > Yellow Sign T-shirt. I would pay $20 to have a black tee with a big ol' > yellow sign on the back. A Yellow T-shirt with lots of little black > yellow signs would also be a winning design. The only obstacle I foresee > is the licencing of the design from Chaosium or Arkham House or whoever. > > The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins > Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum > http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] > http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 1:09 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Memewear ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ethan Butterfield" > Depends on your definition of "true". (No, I never had any sexual > relations with that woman.) Violently wrenching this back on topic, The idea of Memeware reminds me of the very wierd but very clever SF writer Barry Bayley. http://oivas.com/bjb/ and one of his novels, THE GARMENTS OF CAEN. This is about a a human culture which constructs garments of such style and sophistication that they literally reform the personalities of the man or woman wearing them. --- *** --- We have been talking about "memeware" in the sense of ordinary clothes with stuff written or drawn on it. But perhaps we should remember that uninscribed clothing carries social messages and status messages implicit in its cut, design, and fitting. Consider, for example, the social "message" projected by the universal adoption of the dress of late 19th century European males as the clothing of high status individuals everywhere and of every culture. The european suit is a "meme", as surely as is the Bible or the Koran. It carries a message. Now, what clothing style would project the Vibe, or tell watchers that its wearer was favoured by the Darks? I don't mean a t-shirt with something written on it: I mean a coherent, functional, ornamental, style of clothing that was consciously alien and functionally insurgent. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Alek James Hidell [aj_hide11@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 2:49 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Meme I've noticed that there are words which are very popular on the DGML. One of them is "meme". I suspect that the sound of this word is greatly enjoyed, so often does it crop up. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Sylvain Clément [sylvain.clement@wanadoo.fr] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 3:31 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Meme Alek James Hidell asked : > I've noticed that there are words which are very popular on the DGML. One > of them is "meme". I suspect that the sound of this word is greatly > enjoyed, so often does it crop up. Yes, the word "meme" is a successful meme indeed. It is short for "mimeme", which can be defined as a unit of information acquired by imitation. Such units "seek" their own replication and compete in the same way that genes are subject to competition. Richard Dawkins' "The selfish gene" (1976) is the book where he first devised that word. Susan Blackmore's "The meme machine" (1999) is a nice introduction to the marvellous world of memes, so lovecraftian in the way they break apart the myth of our unique status. SC _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of J. Armstrong [te_odio001@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 3:41 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux --- REFLECTING SKIN wrote: > OMG, I'm so glad that their's a nother liberal > commie pinko peacenik on this > list. Well not that there may not be more of you > out there, but McFadden's > the only one I've heard sound off like he's got a > pair. Oh, that's nice talk:) Seriously, though, the rest of "us" (if we liberal flower-fuckers could be said to actually have a coalition of "us"), are usually pretty floored by Bokrug-Celine's accuracy on subjects like these. And also, if not by his thoughtful-yet-obnoxious nature of prose, then by the goddamn prolific amount of it. In short, he covers all the bases, one way or another. It's hard to beat. Or even to "Me too" to. But, despite the silence, we're out here. Lefties, and righties, who know that what's happening is really doubleplusungood. Good to see all of you are still here. I'm glad to be back. xJAYx ONLY on NPR do I > hear any glimmer of voices of 'dissent'. Everywhere > else it's flags and > apple pie, strippers, guns, beer and jesus - just > like normal with gusto! PS- Soo, even NPR will cave. I predict it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 4:01 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Meme [UP] A less auspecious beginning might be the prominent opera singer who thought highly of himself... > I've noticed that there are words which are very popular on the DGML. One > of them is "meme". I suspect that the sound of this word is greatly > enjoyed, so often does it crop up. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 4:03 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Memewear (was I wonder if I can still post here..... Good Evening. ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* schrieb: > I've always been fascinated with the idea of using clothing (t-shirts in > particular) to spread ideas and concepts. I think Grant Morrisson said > something about loving how folks were all wearing communion-alien shirts and > nick-nacks around, and what it might bode. In my opinion the most provocative use of a t-shirt ever was when Sid Vicious - after his demise from the Sex Pistols - wandered the streets of Paris in a Swastika-Shirt. Actually I think that he wears this shirt on the photo on the wall in Club Apokalypse. eckhard _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 4:03 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Ghouls WTC Good Evening. moorebros@earthlink.net schrieb: [snip] > Here is a short write up of the adventure: > > WTC Ghouls 9-22-01 [ rest snipped ] Not bad! Definitely not bad. And not tasteless in any way. I like the way you use the desaster as a background without coming up with yet another conspiracy theory. Pretty Cool. eckhard _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 4:22 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Teaming up with Evil Good Evening. I have to admit that moorebros' idea of approaching the WTC desaster without inventing a DGesque conspiracy theory fascinated me. Soooo.....let's take the official facts for granted: There's an international conspiracy of terrorists lead by Bin Laden and supported by rogue nations such as Afghanistan, Sudan and Iraq [and probably Syria]. The U.S. supported by NATO and probably even the Russians will intervene in this region. Afghanistan is a dangerous and deadly region as the Russians and the Brits can tell from their own experience. For me the big question is not whether the terrorists have any connection to the mythos *but* if the Western allies will cooperate with any mythos forces in the region. Remember how in the Vietnam war the U.S. chose the Tcho-Tcho as allies? And what would DG do? What would they do if the US military does support not only the "Northern Alliance" but another group that is not of Islamic faith but does believe in a Goddess called "Bloated Woman"!? Probably there is a Tcho-Tcho minority in Afghanistan! Will DG intervene and stop such coalitions because of its mission to defeat the mythos? Or will they accept this coalition with evil because it will serve to stop another evil? eckhard _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 3:45 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Memewear I actually just remembered a great shirt that I saw just a few days ago. The front was blank, but on the back it said (in big bold letters): "Memes don't exist. Go tell your friends." Well, I guess I just fulfilled the wishes of the makers of that shirt. I wonder what they'll have me do next? Marshall