From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 4:41 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Teaming up with Evil At 11:22 PM 9/24/2001 +0200, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: >For me the big question is not whether the terrorists have any connection >to the >mythos *but* if the Western allies will cooperate with any mythos forces >in the >region. > >Remember how in the Vietnam war the U.S. chose the Tcho-Tcho as allies? One of the most distasteful things to have come out of all this was all the former staff from previous administrations that were whoring themselves out to the networks during the wall-to-wall coverage as talking heads to fill the time between replaying the plane crashing into the second tower on infinite loop. One of the big things these old white men kept harping on was the CIA policy during the Clinton Administration that restricted them from hiring those with records of human rights violations as intelligence assets (spies). Now, that was a bad policy if it was as unilateral as the ex-CIA chiefs say and we do need to focus more attention on HUMINT, but the intentions behind the ban are well-founded. And the last thing we need right now is take a group of terrorists and give them carte blanche to murder innocent civilians so long as they snitch for us on another group of terrorists. "So you blew up a disco in Barcelona, huh? Well, that's fine with us if you just tell us where Abdul Bin-Patsy is." All the better if Abdul Bin-Patsy is your mortal enemy - revolutionaries are the same everywhere, they love killing each other a lot more than they like killing the Man. So, the CIA is a given a free hand in the Middle East, and after we end up pissing everyone off by our actions in Afghanistan, we need the help of some group to take out the terrorist network that is spreading and growing in power from Algeria to Pakistan. Then the CIA Chief of Station in Cairo gets approached by a little known but very well-connected terrorist group that knows all about Al-Queda, the Hezbollah, etc. and can show them where the money comes and the arms shipments go, all in exchange for a little "consideration". The name of this terrorist group - the Black Brotherhood. >And what would DG do? >Will DG intervene and stop such coalitions because of its mission to >defeat the >mythos? Of course, and they would be the first ones to feel the new might of the American Gestapo of Homeland Defense. These are not good times to be involved in an illegal conspiracy in the government, no matter if you're connected to this or not. The eyes of Big Brother just got a whole lot sharper. Gil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 4:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Teaming up with Evil Greetings. Eckhard wrote >For me the big question is not whether the terrorists have any connection >to the >mythos *but* if the Western allies will cooperate with any mythos forces >in the >region. > >Remember how in the Vietnam war the U.S. chose the Tcho-Tcho as allies? Good thinking, that man! Tcho-tchos are still a good choice, but I guess there's two other Mythos forces available in the area a . the Brotherhood of the Yellow Sign b . the short, ashen friends of MJ-12 (remember - little wars are great testing grounds for new technology) I'd keep my eyes open for new momentous breakthroughs in military technology in the next few weeks. And for wanton brutality, too. Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 5:19 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Teaming up with Evil Evening. Davide Mana schrieb: {snip] > >Remember how in the Vietnam war the U.S. chose the Tcho-Tcho as allies? > > Good thinking, that man! Grazie. > > Tcho-tchos are still a good choice, but I guess there's two other Mythos > forces available in the area > > a . the Brotherhood of the Yellow Sign > b . the short, ashen friends of MJ-12 (remember - little wars are great > testing grounds for new technology) > Whooow, frightening. But whould the "coalition" between MJ12 and DG be an "official" one or rather a modus vivendi of letting the other one survive during the times of trouble. And if it were an 'official' peace, would there be an official meeting? Imagine Dr. Camp and Justin Croft meeting in a neutral spot like - for example - Geneva, Switzerland. The whole place is full of both MJ12 and DG personell guarding their leaders. Nobody trusts no-one. The whole situation is tense, everybody just waits to pull the trigger..... Anyway: In my opinion the Mi-Go do not have any interest in loosing thousands of America's finest to the slaughterhouse of Central Asia. Therefore: Would the Mi-Go or the Greys intervene in such a conflict!?!? And BTW: We do know that the Mountains of Afghanistan are full of natural resources. Wouldn't it be possible that the Mi-Go do have some mines in that area? And how would they react if a war would erupt close to their mines? eckhard _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 4:32 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Lizard King" > > > Unfortunately, I can easily imagine a movie ending with a mushroom cloud > and the audience applauding if the villains are vile enough. Just think of > Alan Rickman or Jeremy Irons looking up at the smart bomb's POV followed by > lots of slo-mo fireballs as the audience stamps their feet. I can easily > imagine Arnold, or Steven Seagal or Sly Stallone starring in that movie. I > have no problem whatsoever seeing Eric Roberts or Lorenzo Lamas or Ice-T or > any of the other direct-to-video pantheon starring in that movie. I am terribly afraid you are right. Particularly since the military moves the US is planning are obviously **exactly** what the terrorists want. The might of Baal will thrash the mountains and flail the air and the warriors of God will just keep on dying and coming on. Until, finally, we reach for the big one? --- *** --- Now, here's a stopper Suppose we nuke them - and it doesn't work? Suppose after we hit them with a nuke or two or ten or twenty they Just. Keep. Fighting? That's not part of the script of any movie Holywood could make, is it? --- *** --- We don't believe in God. We don't value the lives of our unborn children or the chastity of our daughters. But there is one thing we in the West Believe in, and that is The Bomb. No-one can take being nuked. It is the ultimate. It will always work. --- *** --- Well, in this case, it just might not. I've had a look at Afghanistan - the land might be made by nature to resist nuclear bombardment. Hard, high, mountains, many valleys http://www.peakware.com/encyclopedia/ranges/maps/hindu.htm And a climate which forces people to build thick, heavy, walls. Low population density, few large cities, but, by the way, one of the highest per capita birth rates in the world. Obviously, they couldn't take being nuked for ever. But I really think they could take twenty sub-megaton nukes without *really* being hurt. Particularly since the lowland regions near Pakistan would be out of bounds. I wonder how the Media Barons would spin that? Those cowardly terrorists, eh? The Afghans could take it, you know. It wouldn't be that much worse than what Japan or Germany went through in WWII. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 6:14 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The SAS are already there On 23 September 2001, EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) wrote: > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1559000/1559084.stm > >PISCES or Shans looking for new hosts? Neither, actually... These chaps are simply hunting terrorists, now that the season is opened! Let's hope they each bag their limit, and as few bystanders as possible get hit by stray rounds! (I wonder if the SAS teams in country have any Afgan cultists (or Tcho-Chos??) -- with the "find enemies" spell (or was that "find adventure"?) -- as hunting guides?) By its very nature, war tends to include civilian casualties, as it's hard to make weapons that kill only the enemy... But the special operators can hopefully be more precise than airstrikes or cruise missiles! When they strike, they will take out their targets, rather than blow up empty tents and herds of camels! (I remember the line from Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" about the MI making war "as personal as a punch in the nose"!) This is something DG personnel should remember when they have a choice between going to immense trouble to call in an airstrike on the cult compound, or to send in a team to deal with the problem man-to-man (or man-to-critter, or whatever...). Sometimes the dagger is mightier than the 750-lb GP bomb. (Yes, I know it's an odd thing for a fan of high-tech such as myself to suggest.. but these are odd times!) "Captain, that guide chap with the unpronounceable name wants to summon a "Dark Young" -- I believe that was what he called it -- to take point for the patrol... He says he can do it using that book of his -- the one by some chap named "Al Hazard"!" "If he can contact some irregulars to assist us, Sergeant, then it's fine with me!" (I wonder what would happen when the Dark Young summoned by the SAS guide/sorcerer encounters the one summoned by the Taliban guard/sorcerer? Would the two fight one another? Are there cases where DYSNs have fought among themselves? I don't remember reading much about this in the article in "Soldier of Mythos" Magazine...):) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Ethan Butterfield [primus@veris.org] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 6:21 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 10:31:40PM +0100, Andy Robertson wrote: > Well, in this case, it just might not. I've had a look at Afghanistan - > the land might be made by nature to resist nuclear bombardment. Hard, > high, mountains, many valleys > ...natural defense. And not just made by nature, but helped along by CIA operatives who, in the 80's, helped build a network of underground bunkers and training camps to help the Mujaheddin (and a younger bin Laden) fight off the Russians. I know an ex-military intel guy (worked for him several jobs ago. Great guy, but he has the kind of bearing where you know he could be talking to you, calmly snap your neck mid-sentence, and finish the sentence without changing his facial expression.) who told me a bit about Afghanistan's layout and makeup. We could lob nukes at them all day, and we *still* wouldn't be able to get everyone we were trying to hit. The terrain's too tough, too mountainous. > Obviously, they couldn't take being nuked for ever. But I really think > they could take twenty sub-megaton nukes without *really* being hurt. > Particularly since the lowland regions near Pakistan would be out of bounds. > You'd be surprised how many nukes a good-sized mountain could take. That's why NORAD is underneath Cheyenne Mountain. > I wonder how the Media Barons would spin that? Those cowardly terrorists, > eh? Well, here's an interesting spin: who has the most directly to gain from a close-packed set of nuclear explosions? Maybe there's a particular area in the highlands, near the Russian border, where the dimensional fabric is much weaker than normal. One small tacnuke could conceivably open a door for a host of entities. Perhaps even Azzie himself could make an appearance. And maybe that's what some people want. - -- "Nothing's the same anymore." - Cmdr. Jeffrey Sinclair, Babylon-5, "Chrysalis" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7r7/MAmwSMwnpLHgRAtVYAKCQV0PPeBu/ZpEOBebdzx5Ff8b31QCgmYtQ cuMjnyE+Qy895fZuSGN2jgA= =wnYo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 6:43 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Memewear ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gatten, Marshall" > Now start introducing the grey aliens through a book about facts disguised > to look like fiction disguised to look like facts. Call it Communion. Give > it a sequel with a nice big picture of an alien on the cover so that even > people who don't read it become familiar with seeing it on the bookshelves > for a while. You skipped 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind.' It took all of the scary elements of UFO phenomena and gave it all a happy ending. Hell, even shady government agencies that look and act scary come off as benign. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 6:38 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Yahoo Groups DGMLbackup : INFINITE RECURSION! On 23 September 2001, "Michael Layne" wrote: > > But would the icon be courtesy of http://www.karotechia.org, or >http://www.taliban.org, or http://www.alzis.gov (or is he >http://www.thefate.com?) or http://www.madbombrzrus.org? FWIW, I checked out the above addresses, getting "Not Found", except in the case of http://www.taliban.org (where I found a notice that seems to indicate this domain name was available, if you wanted to buy it) and http://www.thefate.com (which leads to a site on which virtually none of the displayed data is readable). I'm surprised that, unlike its foe Delta Green, the Special K apparently lacks a website! Herr Galt and his friends are missing a big PR opportunity here -- not only could they solicit cash contributions and make "Free Pizza" offers, but they could organize conspiracies in which the conspirators cannot identify one another or their boss because they only meet online! (What a concept!):) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 6:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: T-Shirt Wars! (was: Re: [DG] I wonder if I can still post here.....) On 24 September 2001, broadcasting from Ry'leh, TheGreatCthulhuz@aol.com said, re dangerous T-shirts: >Hey, thats not a half bad idea. And exactly how DG is going to combat this? >It would certainly deflate some egos if someone died while trying to blow >up >a T-shirt factory. Why, obviously, we produce our own T-shirts to combat theirs! For the cost of one Tomahawk missile, DG could set up its own T-shirt factory turning out green T-shirts emblazoned with charging rhinos, or with Gates through which teams of DG Agents and Friendlies could charge into the action! The dastardly T-Shirt Terrorists could check our front man with all manner of metal detectors and explosive sniffers, and check his boot heels for secret compartments... but they would never detect the Gate until it's too late! Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 6:59 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Fwd: What Lurks in the Outer Solar System? Folks, I recently received this communication from Agent STOBOR. Some interesting possibilities here... More than one Yuggoth? Or simply the locations of Fun Guy mining efforts? Bits of a trans-Plutonian planet the Fun Guys blew up? Stealth Comets! Ghroth wandering through, every now and then, diverting some of the Stealth Comets towards Jupiter or Earth? Interesting information on the Kupier Belt! Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com >I thought you'd be interested in this story from Science@NASA: > >It's just a matter of time, say researchers, before astronomers find >something as big as Pluto in the chilly outer reaches of the solar system. > http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast13sep_1.htm?friend >(or > >What Lurks in the Outer Solar System? .) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 5:41 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ethan Butterfield" > > Well, in this case, it just might not. I've had a look at Afghanistan - > > the land might be made by nature to resist nuclear bombardment. > > > And not just made by nature, but helped along by CIA > operatives who, in the 80's, helped build a network of underground bunkers > and training camps It just gets better and better > You'd be surprised how many nukes a good-sized mountain could take. Not really. :-) > Well, here's an interesting spin: who has the most directly to gain from a > close-packed set of nuclear explosions? Maybe there's a particular area in > the highlands, near the Russian border, where the dimensional fabric is > much weaker than normal. Yes. But you know, for all your specialist knowledge, I think you are evidencing what I was originally complaining about: that to us, nukes are **supernatural**. When we throw a few at the Afghans and they shrug them off what will that do to our morale, eh? --- *** --- Talking of dimensional fabric violations - a quick calculation shows that the WTT collapse liberated about as much energy as a very small nuke, on the order of a kiloton. Perhaps that was the first attempt at making a Door, through high-energy Megapolisomancy. Megapolisomancy is the science of supernatural influence through the manipulation of the fabrics of great cities. So if you are right, what will it be when the bombs fall in Afghanistan and the mountains slide? We may see far more energy released, and the concentrated death of many tens of thousands more, and the birth of what can only be termed Geotectomancy - magic by felling mountains. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Julian Breen [jules@bigjules.demon.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 7:37 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux In message <20010924041828.54745.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com>, Bill Nichols writes >--- Davide Mana wrote: >> Greetings, gentlemen and ladies. >> >> I've been keeping an eye, on/of, on the TV. >> Looks like some fucker (I use this term with >> the utmost respect) in the USA >> Govt. said that maybe going a little nuclear in >> Afghanistan might be a good >> idea. > > >> The whole broadcast has a sinister undercurrent >> - they are working to make >> people feel at ease with the idea of nuclear >> bombing. > >It won't work. People are angry, but there are >far more voices in the government and media who >are making it clear that while some fighting will >probably be necessary, this is a 'new' kind of >war, one which will necessitate international >cooperation. Which means we cannot (even if most >Americans wanted to, which they don't) just 'NUKE >'EM! > I think its fair to assume that any co-operation from the UAE and Pakistan would rapidly cease should the threats of nuclear strikes against Afghanistan be considered. The Taleban knows that its days are numbered. Its usefulness to the West has ended, and here is a convenient moment for their regime to be brought down. Bin Laden is calling for jihad against America as a last ditch attempt to get the support of Pakistani moslems, but unless the pro-Taleban element of the ISI (page 378 of your COUNTDOWN books folks) gains sway, a 'revolution' (coup) seems remote. This is of course assuming that this faction's pragmatism is stronger than its militant religious fervour. Highly likely, but not totally guaranteed. >We are, for instance, being bombarded far more by >reports about what the FBI is doing in >conjunction with law enforcement agencies abroad, >and how the FBI needs to improve its >relationships with said agencies. > The freezing of financial assets by Bush is by far the most reassuring bit of news that I've heard all week. It seems to indicate to me that this conflict is going to be carefully staged and planned, and not simply a gung-ho bomb the bastards approach. -- Julian Breen _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Ethan Butterfield [primus@veris.org] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 7:29 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 11:41:21PM +0100, Andy Robertson wrote: > But you know, for all your specialist knowledge, I think you are evidencing > what I was originally complaining about: that to us, nukes are > **supernatural**. > This is, of course, a holdover from our exposure to standard CofC, and that whole big about a piece of Azathoth being at the heart of every nuclear reaction and stuff. Personally, I'm just keen on the idea of some sort of shadow faction (be it MJ-12, Alzis, The Little Grey Men from Pasadena, whatever) setting up this whole incident for the sole purpose of ripping open a portal. Be a pisser of a scenario for the PCs to stop. > When we throw a few at the Afghans and they shrug them off what will that do > to our morale, eh? > Perhaps folks might actually come to their senses. "We just dropped 15 of the most powerful weapon known to human science, and it's just strengthened their resolve??!" It'd be a little too late, though. > Talking of dimensional fabric violations - a quick calculation shows that > the WTT collapse liberated about as much energy as a very small nuke, on the > order of a kiloton. > Is that just the collapse, or including the two airplanes as well? Two fully-loaded-with-fuel 767s cause a pretty impressive boom. That being said, somewhere I have a few pictures from a NOAA radar satellite taken on 9-11, showing the creation of the dust cloud and its expansion. It bears a frightening resemblence to the resulting cloud from a small nuclear explosion. FWIW. > Perhaps that was the first attempt at making a Door, through high-energy > Megapolisomancy. Megapolisomancy is the science of supernatural influence > through the manipulation of the fabrics of great cities. > > So if you are right, what will it be when the bombs fall in Afghanistan and > the mountains slide? > > We may see far more energy released, and the concentrated death of many tens > of thousands more, and the birth of what can only be termed Geotectomancy - > magic by felling mountains. I am SO stealing those two ideas. Good lord, the mind boggles. So...many...story...ideas... - -- "Nothing's the same anymore." - Cmdr. Jeffrey Sinclair, Babylon-5, "Chrysalis" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7r8+zAmwSMwnpLHgRApl9AJ9DoR/wJKSaJvMiscHzNOhCIaVANACgz48k u6QOZxruVD6wcrDeSrZwhQc= =HAch -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Alek James Hidell [aj_hide11@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 8:25 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] counting coup Back in the day, when a pirate used to kill someone, they'd place pennies on the deceased's eyes, as a mark that the Jolly Roger had flown o'er head. Then during Vietnam, American soldiers would place an ace of spades on the body of a newly deceasesd Viet Cong (I think it was a special kind of American soldier, but I don't remember which kind) as a mark, to show that Hell ad been by. One of the favorite topics on the DGML are those hoary old vets who have seen and heard the darkling secrets, who have gazed into the abyss and had it look back. I wonder if they count coup as was done in days gone by, with pennies on the eyes or an ace of spades, just to scream into a living night that they see and they know, anfd they're ready. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Alek James Hidell [aj_hide11@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 8:29 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Teaming up with Evil My enemy's enemy is my friend. What could be more satisfying to those stricken by these terrors than to watch Osama bin Laden rise screaming into the air, and be rent limb from limb by an unseen killer, who ghastly guttural growling seems a blood-choked gloat as the blood and flesh slip behind the seconds, along with all that was Osama bin Laden. If you lost your loved ones in that blast, would you not conjured a thing that walks on the wind or a bloated gelatinous thing trapped for aeons beneath the sea to claim the killer's souls? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eckhard Huelshoff" To: Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 3:22 PM Subject: [DG] Teaming up with Evil > Good Evening. > > I have to admit that moorebros' idea of approaching the WTC desaster without > inventing a DGesque conspiracy theory fascinated me. > > Soooo.....let's take the official facts for granted: There's an international > conspiracy of terrorists lead by Bin Laden and supported by rogue nations such > as Afghanistan, Sudan and Iraq [and probably Syria]. > The U.S. supported by NATO and probably even the Russians will intervene in this > region. Afghanistan is a dangerous and deadly region as the Russians and the > Brits can tell from their own experience. > > For me the big question is not whether the terrorists have any connection to the > mythos *but* if the Western allies will cooperate with any mythos forces in the > region. > > Remember how in the Vietnam war the U.S. chose the Tcho-Tcho as allies? > > And what would DG do? What would they do if the US military does support not > only the "Northern Alliance" but another group that is not of Islamic faith but > does believe in a Goddess called "Bloated Woman"!? Probably there is a > Tcho-Tcho minority in Afghanistan! > Will DG intervene and stop such coalitions because of its mission to defeat the > mythos? > > Or will they accept this coalition with evil because it will serve to stop > another evil? > > eckhard > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Alek James Hidell [aj_hide11@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 8:31 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Teaming up with Evil "In my opinion the Mi-Go do not have any interest in loosing thousands of > America's finest to the slaughterhouse of Central Asia. > Therefore: Would the Mi-Go or the Greys intervene in such a conflict!?!? > > And BTW: We do know that the Mountains of Afghanistan are full of natural > resources. Wouldn't it be possible that the Mi-Go do have some mines in that > area? And how would they react if a war would erupt close to their mines?" 'Pears to me that it wouldn't be the Mi-Go, but the chthonians. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Alek James Hidell [aj_hide11@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 8:33 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux > You'd be surprised how many nukes a good-sized mountain could take. That's > why NORAD is underneath Cheyenne Mountain. According to NORAD themselves, they're safe from one direct hit. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Alek James Hidell [aj_hide11@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 8:37 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux When we throw a few at the Afghans and they shrug them off what will that do > to our morale, eh? And what forces will we then use when our morale has taken that blow? What dark tomes will be consulted for the ultimate weapon? "Look, Dr. Camp, we heard about this Naudabaum thing during World War Two, and we thought, since we're runnin' outta nukes for Afghanistan, we thought we'd have a look at some of them books we got at the end of the war. Maybe them spooky ol' Nazis were onta somethin' and we'n really give them towlheads shit." _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of John Petherick [jpetheri@cyberbeach.net] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 9:33 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com > [mailto:owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com]On Behalf Of Alek James Hidell > Sent: September 24, 2001 9:33 PM > To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com > Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux > > > > You'd be surprised how many nukes a good-sized mountain could > take. That's > > why NORAD is underneath Cheyenne Mountain. > > According to NORAD themselves, they're safe from one direct hit. > My head office is in North Bay, not too far from the other NORAD "Hole" which is no longer operational. Most of the monitoring function has been moved to surface, automated or remote-linked to Cheyenne Springs. Like all NORAD sites, it is a joint Canada-US operation. Which means that there are a surprising number of cars in North Bay with Colorado plates. None of the sites say anything about survivability. That would depend on time period and the capability of penetrator warheads. More likely is that surface connections would be severed, reducing the capability of the site. Or today, if the site was well enough known, there would be an attempt to fly a cruise missile down the hole. Current organization structure http://www.airforce.dnd.ca/airforce/eng/organization_wings/wingm.htm Photos of surface entrance (covert ?) http://www.pinetreeline.org/misc/other/nbay1.html But it's now a museum, so I could go and take my own surveillance photos. Or not, depending on how friendly they are. http://www.city.north-bay.on.ca/museums/cfmad.htm One of the more rational websites discussing underground bases operated by the United States government. http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/3452/underg.htm _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 9:56 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Teaming up with Evil On 25 September 2001, EHuelshoff@t-online.de (Eckhard Huelshoff) wrote: >And if it were an 'official' peace, would there be an official meeting? > >Imagine Dr. Camp and Justin Croft meeting in a neutral spot like - for >example - >Geneva, Switzerland. The whole place is full of both MJ12 and DG personell >guarding their leaders. And teams with Stinger missiles on the roof, in case someone with designs on both organizations decides to decapitate both at a stroke, with another hijacked plane? (If it's a lodge just outside Geneva, rather than downtown, there might even be Rapier launchers camouflaged on the boundaries of the estate...) >Nobody trusts no-one. The whole situation is tense, >everybody just waits to pull the trigger..... And it just might happen! The terrorists, now that they have graduated to their own version of weapons of mass destruction, pose a clear and present -- and more immediate -- danger to both secret organizations and their goals, than the two organizations pose to one another. It would be not much stranger than the alliance of the US and others with the USSR to fight the Axis during WWII. Of course, after the foe is beaten, the alliance may start coming apart... Hopefully, a team has successfully swept the conference area for snakes beforehand! I remember the accounts of the peace conference between Arthur and Mordred, and what happened! > >Anyway: In my opinion the Mi-Go do not have any interest in loosing >thousands of >America's finest to the slaughterhouse of Central Asia. >Therefore: Would the Mi-Go or the Greys intervene in such a conflict!?!? Probably not, at least not overtly. I wonder just how much information the infamous forces summary the Greys are providing (per the Treaty) gives on the Taliban and bin Laden's forces? Enough that the SPECOPS boys can be pointed in the right direction to find the perps and send them to their well-deserved reward -- er, to capture them, or kill them while trying to escape? Does it pinpoint the training camps so that the SAS and Rangers can close them down? (It would be nice if it pinpointed the bank accounts comprising the terrorists' war chest, so the hackers of the world can be recruited to empty it, keep 10% for themselves, and divert the rest into Widows' & Orphans' funds for the survivors of the victims... But that's a bit much to hope for...) Or would the info the US (via MJ-12) gets from the Greys be as inprecise as they were with the location of Saddam during the Gulf War? Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Ethan Butterfield [primus@veris.org] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 10:18 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 10:32:56PM -0400, John Petherick wrote: > None of the sites say anything about survivability. That would depend on > time period and the capability of penetrator warheads. The concept of "burrowing" munitions, in its earliest form, crops up near the end of WWII. Allied forces used super-heavy bombs (6-ton monster bombs called "Earthquake" Tallboys) in order to destroy several incredibly-highly-fortified A4/V2 launch sites in Northern France. The physics behind the Tallboy is simple: 12,000 pounds of metal falling at 9.8m/s^2, balanced so they'd fall nose-first. The bomb would slam through several meters of reinforced concrete, and then explode. Problem was, the only plane big enough to carry these monsters was the RAF Lancaster, and even then it could only carry one. They also weren't brought into service until mid-1944, so the war in Europe was mostly over and the Tallboys saw limited use. http://www.v2rocket.com/start/deployment/wizernes.html Burrowing munitions technically haven't changed too much in the intervening 60 years. The physics are still the same, we just use better materials and more efficient explosives. Today's munitions are, though, much lighter and compact than the earliest 6-ton bombs. You can get good penetration with a wire-guided LAW rocket even on the ablative armor of a current-day M1 Abrams main battle tank. But if you're talking about bombing mountain strongholds, it's still going to take a lot of bombs to dent things. Frankly, I wouldn't waste my nukes on the mountains. I'd instead have fun shelling the place with cluster munitions and dumping tons of mines from the air. Make it so they *have* to stay underground. Bottle 'em up, keep 'em isolated. > More likely is that > surface connections would be severed, reducing the capability of the site. > Or today, if the site was well enough known, there would be an attempt to > fly a cruise missile down the hole. Satellite intel is readily available to even civvies these days, and the quality of the pictures would give you a decent chance of Billy-camming the smart bomb to the target. Problem I see with this scenario is that chances are the terrorists *wouldn't* have this level of technology. Our Tomahawks & laser-guided bombs are the cutting edge of weapons tech, and not readily available on the black market for any price. It is much simpler to either build a small dirty nuke ("Sum of All Fears" style), or to buy one of the many small nukes that are "missing" from the former Russia. - -- "Nothing's the same anymore." - Cmdr. Jeffrey Sinclair, Babylon-5, "Chrysalis" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7r/dwAmwSMwnpLHgRAqqZAKDEU20RGC4+pDxMQwkl8eUiQf5j5gCfbZ99 MvpmP2w1GsqRvJnywpSCyBc= =q1kv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 10:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Teaming up with Evil From: Eckhard Huelshoff > And what would DG do? What would they do if the US military does support not > only the "Northern Alliance" but another group that is not of Islamic faith but > does believe in a Goddess called "Bloated Woman"!? Probably there is a > Tcho-Tcho minority in Afghanistan! I believe Afganistan is the home to the last of the Scythians, who worship Yog-Sothoth (Nasra and co. from one of Pagan's 1920's adventure compilations) and I believe there is a rival cult of pre-Skoptsi Shub-Niggurath Scythians out there somewhere. Let us not forget that the Taliban likes to blow up Buddhist statues, which gives us a reason to include the Priesthood of Leng and the Cthulhu Cult (just north of the place). The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 10:59 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux ----- Original Message ----- From: "REFLECTING SKIN" > OMG, I'm so glad that their's a nother liberal commie pinko peacenik on this > list. Well not that there may not be more of you out there, but McFadden's > the only one I've heard sound off like he's got a pair. and From: "J. Armstrong" > Seriously, though, the rest of "us" (if we liberal > flower-fuckers could be said to actually have a > coalition of "us"), are usually pretty floored by > Bokrug-Celine's accuracy on subjects like these. And > also, if not by his thoughtful-yet-obnoxious nature of > prose, then by the goddamn prolific amount of it. > In short, he covers all the bases, one way or > another. It's hard to beat. Or even to "Me too" to. Ah now, yer gonna make me blush. I think a little credit should be spread around, as I wouldn't have posted if I thought it would spark a flame war. I expected better from the DGML and got it. While collecting info on Clear Channel I perused the message boards on FuckedJobs.com and saw how quickly discussion of the Boeing layoffs degenerated into "nuke 'em 'til they glow and shoot 'em in the dark", with the occasional posts from someone who uses the term "mud people" without any irony. But enough of the RW, let's look for some DG relevance. First up, which Mythos faction benefits from each and every nuclear detonation? Somehow they were thwarted in the 50s when a bright new nuclear future was promised. I remember reading pamphlets in grade school where Reddy Kilowatt showed how reactors would supply oodles of electricity and massive engineering projects would be expedited with nukes. Want a new Panama Canal? Dig it with nukes. Orion would take us to the Moon. Anything downwind of Cape Canaveral would have plummeting property values, but you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. Maybe JFK was assassinated because he was disturbed over reports of Strontium-90 in milk rather than because he was planning on de-escalating Vietnam. Although Vietnam was also being discussed as a suitable site for some nuclear cauterization. Nukes weren't used in Korea either, so the Azathoth faction must have been getting antsy. Somehow, underground tests just don't have that certain something. Maybe the cinema arm of the Invisibles saved us all, since 'Fail Safe' and 'Dr. Strangelove' came out in the same year. Try to keep a straight face talking to Curtis LeMay while thoughts of Gen. Jack D. Ripper obsessing over loss of essence dance in your head. Sex and death. A tanker humping a B-52 as "Try A Little Tenderness" plays on the soundtrack. Next, some elements within MJ-12 must be a bit perturbed about the Report offering no useful intel about bin Laden and others. "From a lone guerrilla camped in Honduras to the location of every Soviet warhead" is available, but somehow we end up Cruise-missiling a medical convention rather than a terrorist camp. Destroying a factory that manufactures infant formula instead of chemical weapons. DG might receive overtures from Gavin Ross (MJ-3) or Eustis Bell (MJ-5) or Robert Coffey. The US is going to be ripe for Mythos manipulation whether we start nuking or not. Our economy is taking a nose-dive and outsiders, swarthy people with a different religion are being blamed. The rest of the world is dismissed as ingrates and backstabbers and deadbeat debtors. Why do they hate and envy us so much? Because we are the "brightest beacon of freedom and opportunity." Unemployed people have a tendency to drink more than they would otherwise. Who knows what demagogues are rabble-rousing in bars and beer halls right now? If the government doesn't supply hope, someone else will. Anger is preferable to depression for most people. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of moorebros@earthlink.net Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 11:19 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] DGML Backup The Man in Black wrote: > (BLAH BLAH BLAH) > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DGMLbackup > > I am currently taking suggestions for what sort of files to place in the > Files section. FAQ's and other reference documents seem to be an obvious > choice. But what else? I'm just wondering if I can get my DGML subscription as "Post Only" so I can read the backup Digest, and still post here with the big kids. Can you write a file like that? Or is there a way I can just block the incoming messages from DGML? Roger Moore spent the morning chating with an Armenian who said he served two years in Afganistan maybe he was full of shit _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of moorebros@earthlink.net Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 11:35 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Ghouls WTC John Daly wrote: > I gotta say, the really subtle parts are good (and probably not even thought about) - the parallel > of the > Ghoul faith and the heretics reminds me of the Muslim faith and the fanatics. > John Actually Alphonse didn't really go into where he got his information, so there would have been little chance for me to go into that aspect. But I like it. Maybe I can bring it up later in the campaign. It really wasn't that gross an adventure. I pulled a bunch of copy (first hand accounts during the attacks) but quickly came to the conclusion anyone under the WTC was DEAD DEAD. So I needed at least a partial escape for my adventure. And once I relocated the survivors out from under the building in the sevice corridor, I knew there weren't going to be a huge number of bodies laying around the area. I toyed with the idea of playing it out as the players running the survivors, but thought that was a little over the top. Plus my players said somthing about "character development" during my "City That Care Forgot" campaign. Roger Moore thinks everybody should laugh out loud at that last line, "character development" in Delta Green is like drawing a sock puppet face on a kleenex before you blow a wicked flu-green gob of flem and blood into it light it on fire then flush it down the toilet while screaming "Ia! Ia!" _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Til Eulenspiegel [duggerj1@home.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 11:51 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Teaming up with Evil -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Monday, 24 September 2001 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Davide Mana" [snip] > I'd keep my eyes open for new momentous breakthroughs in military > technology in the next few weeks. > And for wanton brutality, too. > Ask, and we shall receive. Yes, these people are for real. http://www.de.afrl.af.mil/ What do you suppose exists in black projects? dugger@vss.fsi.com : duggerj1@home.com : til_e@hotmail.com Go give blood: (800) GIVE-LIFE This too shall pass. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBO7ANHyjXCkSehE2kEQJADgCeLeQS5yLMw5T9Rgcs4z6A5VXI+ToAn06D EsDUZbFGZk9TTH2W7K2XEvrX =H9zv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Chris Womack [jcwomack@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 12:18 AM To: deltagreen revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DGML Backup Hey-- on 9/24/01 11:19 PM, moorebros@earthlink.net at moorebros@earthlink.net wrote: > Or is there a way I can just block the incoming messages from DGML? If I remember my majordomospeak correctly, you should be able to issue a 'set nomail' command to majordomo@revolutionsf.com (leave the subject line blank and put "set deltagreen nomail" (without quotemarks, natch) in the body). This will have the effect of leaving you subscribed (and therefore able to post) to the list, but not receiving any messages from it--QED. Assuming it works, of course. HTH-- C Chris Womack jcwomack@earthlink.net Keeper of the DGML (Ret'd.) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 12:26 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DGML Backup From: moorebros@earthlink.net >I'm just wondering if I can get my DGML subscription as "Post Only" so I can >read the backup Digest, and still post here with the big kids. Can you write >a file like that? That would be a majordomo issue to take up with Agent Christopher, since the DGML is run from revolutionsf.com and not Yahoo Groups. >Or is there a way I can just block the incoming messages from DGML? Since you use Netscape 4.x to read and send mail, you would need to learn how to use Netscape Messenger's message filters to killfile "deltagreen@revolutionsf.com". You'd be subscribed to both DGMLBackup@groups.yahoo.com and deltagreen@revolutionsf.com and able to post to both groups, but the messages from the DGML Prime would be filtered out. The Man in Black is : aware of how to view headers in Outlook Express. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bill Nichols [themaninawhitecar@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 12:24 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux --- The Lizard King wrote: > Maybe JFK was assassinated because he was > disturbed over reports of > Strontium-90 in milk rather than because he was > planning on de-escalating > Vietnam. This reminds me of something I have been meaning to mention, a website chock full of info. for anyone needing easy access to JFK assassination documents. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/index.htm This guy was a professor of mine when I was at Marquette. While you're there, you can admire my small contribution to the site: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/vietnam.htm According to Robert Kennedy, in the time leading up to his assassination, JFK was NOT, in fact, planning to pull out of Vietnam. > But enough of the RW, let's look for some DG > relevance. > > First up, which Mythos faction benefits from > each and every nuclear > detonation? Somehow they were thwarted in the > 50s when a bright new nuclear > future was promised. You got me wondering. I checked the Ice Cave, http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/dgazatot.htm which does contain a small discussion of Azathoth, but other than a few words regarding Steven Hawking (!) as a possible cult of Azathoth leader, I didn't see much about an organized group to which the name 'cult' could be attached. SPOILER SPACE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SPOILER SPACE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SPOILER SPACE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A quick look through Countdown didn't reveal any overt worship of Azathoth-type elements to the Shan inflitration of PISCES. It seems there the idea is the Shan are not involving their 'hosts' in any elements of Azathoth worship. So, does anyone know of any other Azathoth-centered, specifically human cults in any published works? I'm just wondering what form(s) a group dedicated to the worship of something blind and idiotic might take on. After all, as I recall, one of the attractions of Great Old One worship, was that these gods would actually respond to prayers! I cannot see Azathoth responding in any way, not that that would be an impediment to worship of this creature. I just wonder what a cultist of Azathoth would see him or herself 'getting' out of it all. > The US is going to be ripe for Mythos > manipulation whether we start nuking > or not. I think you've hit on an extremely fruitful source of new campaign material. There's nothing like having your sense of superiority shattered, which is what I think happened with the nutcases in the current administration (Hell, I'll go ahead and name him, that Wolfowitz guy) who have been loudest in the NUKE 'EM! camp, to send you over the edge. How about some non-MAJESTIC group looking for other resources (as has already been mentioned by others on this list) with which to strike back? Perhaps a blind, idiotic, but nevertheless inconceivably powerful entity would look very useful to them. Which might lead to a (gasp!) need for MAJESTIC and DG (yet another idea already mentioned here) to work together. Such a cult of Azathoth would be a threat to them both. Bill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 2:19 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ethan Butterfield" > > But you know, for all your specialist knowledge, I think you are evidencing > > what I was originally complaining about: that to us, nukes are > > **supernatural**. > > > > This is, of course, a holdover from our exposure to standard CofC, and > that whole big about a piece of Azathoth being at the heart of every > nuclear reaction and stuff. I meant that to the RL public of the West, nuclear weapons have a supernatural *mana*. > > Talking of dimensional fabric violations - a quick calculation shows that > > the WTT collapse liberated about as much energy as a very small nuke, on the > > order of a kiloton. > > > > Is that just the collapse, or including the two airplanes as well? Two > fully-loaded-with-fuel 767s cause a pretty impressive boom. That's just the structure. > > Perhaps that was the first attempt at making a Door, through high-energy > > Megapolisomancy. > > We may see far more energy released, and the concentrated death of many tens > > of thousands more, and the birth of what can only be termed Geotectomancy - > > magic by felling mountains. > > I am SO stealing those two ideas. Good lord, the mind boggles. > So...many...story...ideas... Megapolisomancy from Fritz Leiber, actually. And of course the WTT attack is the greatest act of Megaploisomancy the world has ever seen - carried out by the enemies of the West, in complete ignorance of the science! They did not know what they were doing: but magic has its effect irrespective of the "faith" of the human agent. Who was manipulating them to this act? And who is manipulating us to Geotectomancy? The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 2:50 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Lizard King" > > First up, which Mythos faction benefits from each and every nuclear > detonation? That's the question. > Somehow they were thwarted in the 50s when a bright new nuclear > future was promised. I remember reading pamphlets in grade school where > Reddy Kilowatt showed how reactors would supply oodles of electricity and > massive engineering projects would be expedited with nukes. Want a new > Panama Canal? Dig it with nukes. Orion would take us to the Moon. And the Soviets used to dream of massive Peaceful Nuke projects in central Asia - turn the Ob south and water the land: connect the Caspian and the Black Sea. Nukes were, IIRC, to be used for these. Of course now we have a poisoned and salinated landscape growing useless cotton. Perhaps we will see a great Geotectomantic ritual being performed over the Hindu Cush. The faceless ones control the cultists who control the mullahs who control the fighters who provoke the bombs. And so the fire falls, just right. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jim Clunie [jim_clunie@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 10:10 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] MG fondling Time for a newbie gunfondling question. Was reading through Delta Green, specifically the gun stats. I ran my eye down to the bottom of the table, as you do, and noted the calibre "14.5mm Soviet". The weapon best known to use this calibre, the KPV (?) heavy machinegun, isn't on the table. Has anyone filled in this deplorable lack? Cheers Jim C _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 5:13 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Memewear >Now, what clothing style would project the Vibe, or tell watchers that its >wearer was favoured by the Darks? I don't mean a t-shirt with something >written on it: I mean a coherent, functional, ornamental, style of clothing >that was consciously alien and functionally insurgent. HmmmMmMMmmm. I'd say something just this side of uncomfortable. Black PVC and cenobite-like PVC gear, with lots of straps and buckles, showing off as little skin as possible outside of the face and hair. The neck would be hidden by a roll of rubber, with a triangualr tapering effect, so a lip would roll up under the chin and jaw, and it would come to a point just above the hairline. That's the most outlandish case - so let's scale that back a bit for everyday wear: Dark, sobre and tight-fitting work clothes with very shiny, strangely-shaped buttons - preferably silver-toned with intricate, looping patterns. Long sleeves with cuffs that come down to the knuckles. The same kind of 'turtleneck' that you'd get with a PVC job, but made from cloth. Jackets that come down past your beltline, so you can't see anyone's waist. No ties. No overly-ornate earrings. As for makeup - either both sexes wear it, or no one does. You could make the case for both sexes shaving off their eyebrows, too, but I think that'd be pushing it. J. Edward _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jim Clunie [jim_clunie@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 10:14 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Memewear >From: "Andy Robertson" > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ethan Butterfield" > > Depends on your definition of "true". (No, I never had any sexual > > relations with that woman.) > > >Violently wrenching this back on topic, > > >The idea of Memeware reminds me of the very wierd but very clever SF writer >Barry Bayley. >http://oivas.com/bjb/ and one of his novels, THE GARMENTS OF CAEN. > >This is about a a human culture which constructs garments of such style and >sophistication that they literally reform the personalities of the man or >woman wearing them. > > > --- *** --- > > >We have been talking about "memeware" in the sense of ordinary clothes with >stuff written or drawn on it. > >But perhaps we should remember that uninscribed clothing carries social >messages and status messages implicit in its cut, design, and fitting. > >Consider, for example, the social "message" projected by the universal >adoption of the dress of late 19th century European males as the clothing >of >high status individuals everywhere and of every culture. > >The european suit is a "meme", as surely as is the Bible or the Koran. It >carries a message. > >Now, what clothing style would project the Vibe, or tell watchers that its >wearer was favoured by the Darks? I don't mean a t-shirt with something >written on it: I mean a coherent, functional, ornamental, style of clothing >that was consciously alien and functionally insurgent. > > > The Glove Cleaner > Last Christmas in Sydney, there were numerous young folks around the streets wearing antlers in various fluorescent colours. Celebrating Yeshua's birthday by dressing up as the Horned Man .. Then there are the perennial floppy red velvet Santa hats (just about year round), which make a pretty fair Bloody Tongue. Jim C _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/