From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 5:34 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux Greetings. Let me work with the Glove Cleaner to lower the morale of the troops.... >But you know, for all your specialist knowledge, I think you are evidencing >what I was originally complaining about: that to us, nukes are >**supernatural**. > >When we throw a few at the Afghans and they shrug them off what will that do >to our morale, eh? Moreover, they are not going to just sit through the bombings. But it's not the morale of the Bomb-adoring westerners that's worrying me, you see. What's worrying me is that we _need_ the idea of the Atom Bomb as ultimate evil. In brief, what scares me is the ontological shift of the Bomb from "End of the World Weapon" to "Swift and cheap tool to put the bastards in their place for a while". As soon as it's shown to be useless, its power will be cut down to size in the popular perception. Dropping the Bomb will not be that SAN-shattering choice anymore. "I guess it's all right if we drop one on . It's generally safe (remember how the Talibans took them and kept bombing European cities?); it's cheaper than sending troops and about as much effective; it's much more economically advantageous than an embargo (we keep selling our rubbish to the survivors) and after all, it will also improve their economy in the long run (Hell, look at the good it did to Japan!) " Note that anyone with one bomb under his bed might decide to reason along the same lines. Fear is what kept people from Global Thermonuclear Warfare. >Talking of dimensional fabric violations - a quick calculation shows that >the WTT collapse liberated about as much energy as a very small nuke, on the >order of a kiloton. > >Perhaps that was the first attempt at making a Door, through high-energy >Megapolisomancy. Megapolisomancy is the science of supernatural influence >through the manipulation of the fabrics of great cities. You're looking at it in the wrong direction. _It was_ a Megalopolismantical spell, activated on the day the Towers were built, charged with their weight, to bring woe and desperation to the whole of the world. You traumatize the texture by first supercharging it (huge buildings in which aggressive transactions are made) and then you release the charge. But again, according to the way Megalopolismancy is outlined in Thibault De Castries notes, the thing is sort of a solid-state bomb primed in the moment you build the buildings and trace the rituals. Having been set up to hurt the fabric of human lives, the towers would have fallen on September 11th 2001 one way or another - planes crashing through them accidentally, earthquake, Unabomber hitting the basements.... Simply (by something similar to the Law of Preservation of Reality), a terrorist attack through hijacked airplanes was the most economical, the more likely, the less artificious. So the megaspell called the terrorists to the towers at the appointed time. We are now facing the consequences - think about Empire, Liberty and Unity of Nations, all of them currently not faring so well, all of them represented by a token building on Manhattan Island. Be seeing you. Davide Mana Still has notes about Megalopolismancy in CoC Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 5:39 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux Cheers. >I meant that to the RL public of the West, nuclear weapons have a >supernatural *mana*. or the other way around - Mana has supernatural nuclear weapons. Eat your hearts out, GWB. [no that's not a typo - he really think he has two - he thinks he's a Vulcan] Sorry, comedy intermission. Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 5:40 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux Here's a scarier idea. If nuking the mountains wouldn't do jack and spit, we could spray bio/chem toxins into the mountains. Pick some nasty thing that won't disperse into clouds, and will fall straight down and stick like glue. Anyone coming into contact with the stuff dies unless they've been innoculated, or else receive an injection of something good and gooey right in the heart - atropine style - within 24 - 48 hours after infection. And what do you know? This stuff's so new it hasn't even been looked at by USAMRIID yet, so Bin Laden and his folks won't have the antidote in their bunkers. So they can stay down there... and starve... while we've got an armed ring of innoculated folks keeping that area isolated. This probably wouldn't work either, logistically-speaking, but it opens up a whole can of nasty ideas. J. Edward _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 6:02 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux ----- Original Message ----- From: "Davide Mana" > > >I meant that to the RL public of the West, nuclear weapons have a > >supernatural *mana*. > > or the other way around - Mana has supernatural nuclear weapons. Well, just so long as they are used intelligently. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 6:10 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux ----- Original Message ----- From: "Davide Mana" > > In brief, what scares me is the ontological shift of the Bomb from "End of > the World Weapon" to "Swift and cheap tool to put the bastards in their > place for a while". Lord, this is depressing. You are so right. But maybe it won't come to that. Smile, smile. > >Perhaps that was the first attempt at making a Door, through high-energy > >Megapolisomancy. Megapolisomancy is the science of supernatural influence > >through the manipulation of the fabrics of great cities. > > You're looking at it in the wrong direction. > _It was_ a Megalopolismantical spell, activated on the day the Towers were > built, charged with their weight, to bring woe and desperation to the whole > of the world. I yield to you on this point. I believe you have the right of it. By analogy, then, the Geotectomanitic operations now massing over Afghanistan merely echo the essence of some preexisting tension, coiling under the mountains there, something which has become ripe and is now drawing the Bombs towards itself to free itself . The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 6:46 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: nitpickers delight Re: [DG] DGML Backup UNIFORMFONDLING The sole > exception right now is the Karotechia Recruiting > Poster, which skirts > dangerously close to the edge of Pornography. I > can't remember where I > got this, and I hate to admit it, but it does make > me want to sign up > for the Fourth Reich. > you know the swastikas are worn on the wrong arm? not to mention the gross inconvinience of having sex while wearing a helmet. festus __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Steven Helberg [steven.helberg@scala.co.za] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 6:55 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Lurker/Question Hi, I have been a lurker for some time on this list. I live, work and play in Johannesburg, South Africa and have been playing CoC for close on 8 years. Finally I also managed to get my very own copy of Countdown. Now.. I do not recall (and yes.. even I could be wrong on this one) seeing anything on this so I will bravely (or stupidly) soldier on. POSSIBLE SPOILER S P O I L E R S P A C E The Shan and their bit of history with their friend Groth. According to the background on PISCES they are keeping an eye out for Groth. This I read last night and I was wondering if anybody had run the Enolsis Foundation based Scenarios from the DG rulebook with this in mind. Surely the Shan would notice Groth coming closer to Earth as summoned by our favorite Funguys. The question is... what would they do? If ever I wondered on how to introduce PISCES to my players.. nothing seems more perfect to me. Has anybody else mingled these two and how did it go? Thoughts? Steven Helberg _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 8:06 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: nitpickers delight Re: [DG] DGML Backup UNIFORMFONDLING From: "Dirk R. Festus Festerling" > you know the swastikas are worn on the wrong arm? > not to mention the gross inconvinience of having sex > while wearing a helmet. And the MiB spelled "hamster" wrong too! Dave swears he doesn't know how the hamster got in there. PS: MiB, your lovely homepage graphic is up. Now withdraw your troops! _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord [wardjr@aston.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 8:14 AM To: Delta Green Mailing List Subject: [DG] Crop Spraying http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1561000/1561920.stm Crop spraying planes grounded in the US because of fears of their use for biological or chemical weapon agents over cities. What would _your_ cultists put in their stolen crop spraying plane? Here are some of my ideas. Spoiler space below, because there are some issues from Countdown... S P O I L E R S P A C E 1) Mother's Milk. Get down on your hands, knees and tentacles, and Grow! 2) Reverb/Plutonian Drug/Liao - Tindalosian feeding frenzy :-) 3) Sapphire, or whatever that resurrection chemical was called. I don't have Countdown to hand currently. 4) Powder of Ibn Ghazi. All those sequeamous things that are normally unseen suddently become visible. A city reduced to gibbering lunacy. My personal favourite is (2) Jon -- Jonathan Ward || "Strange, the transfers stopped after about 30,000." School of Engineering || "After 32767?" Aston University || "Oh. Yeah." *click* j.r.ward@aston.ac.uk || [Real conversation at a previous place of work] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 8:25 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux From: ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* >Here's a scarier idea. If nuking the mountains wouldn't do jack and spit, we >could spray bio/chem toxins into the mountains. Weapons of Mass Destruction in the NBC/CBR family are designed to kill Division level conventional forces in Europe (and to a lesser degree, Asia). ICBM's with nuclear warheads are strategic weapons designed to cripple an enemy's industrial and logistical capacity to fight a war by destroying their cities. They are completely useless when tracking down small groups of criminals in a nation that essentially has no manufacturing capability or Division level units, and fights using guerrilla tactics. If an unemployed cripple sitting down in Hawaii can see this, it's not too far fetched to think that the National Security and Intelligence Community realized this a long time ago. Suggestions that we "nuke them back into the stone age" are petty revenge fantasies on the same level as "I'm going to kick Osama Bin Ladin's butt with the Piledriver" and are about as realistic. Any campaign of strategic bombing using overwhelming air power will, as someone recently put it, only create new craters in the old craters created by the Soviets and the decade of civil war that followed the Soviet withdrawl. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bomias1@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 8:41 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Yahoo Groups DGMLbackup : INFINITE RECURSION! In a message dated 9/24/01 7:43:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, theherald@hotmail.com writes: << http://www.thefate.com (which leads to a site on which virtually none of the displayed data is readable). >> Wake up jack! Just because you can't read it doesn't mean that the guys with the spiffy sinister birthmarks cannot! So if you want to see what's there, just get the Horned God Hookup! Just take take him by his left hand (as opposed to his red right one) and all wil be revealed! The Thug Whisperer "Back off Man! I'm a scientist." ------Peter Venkman _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bomias1@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 8:48 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] counting coup I think it was the old west bounty hunter (ie: assassin for the railroad barons) Tom Horn who used a rock to prop up the heads of his victims(like on a pillow). Of course, this was just so everybody knew who had done it, ensuring that noone attempted to claim Horn's bounty. The Thug Whisperer "Back off Man! I'm a scientist." ------Peter Venkman _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of TheGreatCthulhuz@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 9:20 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] MG fondling Yeah, I noticed that too. The index was taken from another book, but not all the guns. So they just stuck it in there for some reason. Assume that it's just like any other heavy machine gun. From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 11:11 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux One thought: Napalm strikes. While it would not defeat the mountain, a significant napalm strike at the mouth of a cave network would consume a large quantity of oxygen. Depending on the size of the cave network, this might deplete all available oxygen in the area, causing death by suffocation. IIRC, Japanese troops during WWII dug in in bunkers suffered more suffocations than incinerations when faced with flamethrower wielding Marines. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ethan Butterfield" > > Well, in this case, it just might not. I've had a look at Afghanistan - > > the land might be made by nature to resist nuclear bombardment. > > > And not just made by nature, but helped along by CIA > operatives who, in the 80's, helped build a network of underground bunkers > and training camps _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of TheGreatCthulhuz@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 11:33 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux In a message dated 9/24/01 6:37:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, aj_hide11@hotmail.com writes: > > You'd be surprised how many nukes a good-sized mountain could take. That's > > why NORAD is underneath Cheyenne Mountain. > > recently, they said a direct hit from more modern nuclear weapons (which only the Russians and (I think?) Chinese have will destroy the whole mountain. From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of TheGreatCthulhuz@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 11:35 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux In a message dated 9/24/01 6:40:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, aj_hide11@hotmail.com writes: > When we throw a few at the Afghans and they shrug them off what will that do > > to our morale, eh? > > And what forces will we then use when our morale has taken that blow? What > dark tomes will be consulted for the ultimate weapon? > > "Look, Dr. Camp, we heard about this Naudabaum thing during World War Two, > and we thought, since we're runnin' outta nukes for Afghanistan, we thought > we'd have a look at some of them books we got at the end of the war. Maybe > them spooky ol' Nazis were onta somethin' and we'n really give them > Unlikely that go forward exactly as written. We have literally thousands of nukes in storage. Enough to turn the world into a barren wasteland at least 7 times over, and some estimates go as high as 20. But perhaps the government won't like the idea of using a 10 million dollar piece of metal and uranium against a bunch of sand and caves. From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 11:45 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Lurker/Question >Hi, >I have been a lurker for some time on this list. Howdy and welcome. And thanks for the excellent thought provocation....... S P O I L E R S P A C E >The Shan and their bit of history with their friend Groth. >According to the background on PISCES they are keeping an eye out for Groth. >This I read last night and I was wondering if anybody had run the Enolsis >Foundation based Scenarios from the DG rulebook with this in mind. >Surely the Shan would notice Groth coming closer to Earth as summoned by our >favorite Funguys. >The question is... what would they do? >If ever I wondered on how to introduce PISCES to my players.. nothing seems >more perfect to me. I'm going to be starting a campaign in a couple months. I'm planning on starting it with a slightly modified version of the Convergence scenario, and then doing a little something with Enolsis before wading out into my own stuff. I want to get the Shan involved at some point as well and was trying to figure out how to do it smoothly and this might be the answer. The problem is that although the Shan will notice Groth approaching, they are unlikely to make the Enolsis connection. How would they know where to get involved? From their point of view, Groth just inexplicably decided to show up. In fact, they're likely to think that Groth has tracked them down and is trying to finish the job that it started. So what would they do? Well, they'd probably want the entire nuclear arsenal of Earth lobbed at the thing. Making that happen would be nearly impossible, of course, but it might be their only hope. Perhaps they would go on a possession spree trying to gain control of the people who control the nukes. Hopping around like that is going to blow their cover and increase their visibility quite a lot, but they really have nothing to lose if Groth is coming for them. And they might get a nuke or two lofted, which is going to start some MAJOR investigations, but they aren't going to be able to get very many up. Then, as Groth turns around as mysteriously as it showed up, the Shan are left wondering just what the hell happened. And now a bunch of people who were never aware of them before are now Shan hunting. This could be DG's nightmare scenario - a piece of the Truth has leaked out and they need to craft a cover story and somehow put it in place over an absolutely huge SNAFU. The fallout of all this would be immense. I can't even begin to imagine the scale of it. Of course, MJ-12 would have their interest piqued by the hint of other aliens as well. For that matter, Outlook would be going nuts trying to figure out how to utilize the mind control techniques that they've just seen in action. In short, all hell breaks loose. In the meantime, the fun guys are probably wondering what went wrong with their simple plan. Such fun! On the other hand, what a writing nightmare. Any ideas out there on how to contain something like this? Without some plausible containment it's just too much. Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Pullen [david.pullen3@virgin.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 12:28 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Yahoo Groups DGMLbackup : INFINITE RECURSION! ----- Original Message ----- From: > In a message dated 9/24/01 7:43:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > theherald@hotmail.com writes: > > << http://www.thefate.com (which leads to a site on which virtually none of > the > displayed data is readable). >> > > Wake up jack! Just because you can't read it doesn't mean that the guys with > the spiffy sinister birthmarks cannot! So if you want to see what's there, > just get the Horned God Hookup! Just take take him by his left hand (as > opposed to his red right one) and all wil be revealed! > I went to it and was asked to install Korean text support. I can't read Korean so I didn't bother. Can anyone on the list enlighten us? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Janusz A. Urbanowicz [alex@bofh.torun.pl] Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 4:03 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Twin Towers Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord wrote/napisa³[a]/schrieb: > On a computer, far, far away, Janusz A. Urbanowicz wrote: > > Heh the same way was here in Poland. > [snip] > > Something else that is often forgotten is that most of the work done > to decrypt Enigma was done by the Polish. The "Bombes" used were of a > Polish design (modified at Bletchley from memory). Yeah, they were. ObDG: there was considerable cooperation between Polish exile government in London and OSS in the cowboy days. Yes, I intend to evolve this into something DGish. How do I subscribe to DGWWII (to compare notes)? Alex -- Janusz A. Urbanowicz | ALEX3-RIPE | SF-Framling | Thawte Web Of Trust Notary Gdy dajê biednym chleb, nazywaj¹ mnie œwiêtym. Gdy pytam, dlaczego biedni nie maj¹ chleba, nazywaj¹ mnie komunist¹. - abp. Helder Camara _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Luis Vilaça [iberika@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 12:45 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Player's Knowledge VS Character's Knowledge Hi people, I have a doubt. I can tell my players that their characters, due to some tome they read, now know more about the Cthulhu Mythos. They loose SAN. But the player may ask: "what exactely did my character read? what did he find out?" What can I answer? Because I perfectly understand that, to better roleplay their agents, my players need to know some secrets/info from the Mythos. If not, Mythos knowledge will only be a number! Is there some kind of list with Mythos info from where I can get stuff and then pass it to the players every time their Cthulhu Mythos' skill rises? Thanks, Luis ===== v.i.s.i.t | m.y | 3.D | g.a.l.l.e.r.y http://www.cortereal.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 1:03 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Player's Knowledge VS Character's Knowledge >I can tell my players that their characters, due to some tome >they read, now know more about the Cthulhu Mythos ... But the >player may ask: "what exactely did my character read? what >did he find out?" What can I answer? Since what they learned will in fact be randomly determined in the future when they succeed at a Cthulhu Mythos role, telling them now what they read is a tricky thing to do. I tend to think of it less as reading about Shoggoths and more about making connections. The things they read are confusing. Most of it seems to ramble and certainly it can't all be true, yet somewhere deep in the mind it prepares the brain to make a connection. Later, when they encounter something (and successfully make their roll) they suddenly realize the true import of what they read and can connect this monstrosity in front of them to a primal Truth about the universe they live in. A mind prepared to make a large number of these connections is a mind on the edge of madness, thus the loss to maximum SAN when they gain Cthulhu Mythos. Of course some tomes are very specific in the descriptions of their content. With these I would simply tell the characters what appears in the descriptions. Others are more mysterious and more confusing and a person is less likely to understand the import of what they've read until they have an encounter with reality that cements what they thought they misunderstood from the book. Described badly this just sounds like the Keeper doesn't know what's in the book. Described well, this can lend to the sense of awe and wonder as the character closes the book with the strange feeling that they have stumbled on something of cosmic import and yet can't put into words a summary of what they've learned. Things don't fit properly in the mind quite yet. Something is wrong with the universe, but they just can't put their finger on it. Then later, a glimpse of Nyarlathotep suddenly makes it all come slamming home and they understand something much more deeply than the others who caught the same glimpse but had not read that tome. Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of John Daly [jdaly_iv@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 1:06 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Player's Knowledge VS Character's Knowledge --- Luis Vilaça wrote: > Hi people, > > I have a doubt. I can tell my players that their > characters, due to some tome they read, now know > more > about the Cthulhu Mythos. They loose SAN. > But the player may ask: "what exactely did my > character read? what did he find out?" the best answer I heard was that after my PC started with Cthulhu Mythos 3% was that a) it involved ghouls, b) it was during his tour of duty in France during WWI (he was a doctor) and c) he had repressed the details. Or you could always give the Delta Green information: You learned that everything burns. Eventually. It's just a case of having enough napalm. Or you could be REALLY evil (who me?) and tell them about a Delta green op in the past. That way, Sanity tends to be lost, new knowledge isn't really gained, but some of the mysterious past of delta green is put into perspective. I usually use the Innsmouth incidents or the Antactic Ice Cave documentation. Or if you feel REALLY REALLY mean, hand them the "Dyer text" AKA At The Mountains of Madness. Let them try to figure out what happened to the Antarctic Miskatonic Mountain range. (then take what they suggest, make it even worse, and let that be the "truth") __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Charles Ripper [yeroshka7@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 2:13 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux >From: "Andy Robertson" > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Davide Mana" > > > > In brief, what scares me is the ontological shift of the Bomb from "End >of > > the World Weapon" to "Swift and cheap tool to put the bastards in >their > > place for a while". > > >Lord, this is depressing. You are so right. > >But maybe it won't come to that. You should say "maybe it won't come to that _again_." John Foster Dulles and the Eisenhower administration actually threatened to go nuclear (or, maybe atomic) a couple of times, most notably over Dien Bien Phu and the Formosa Straits, against China. They pushed for nuclear bombs to be considered on par with conventional weapons, i.e. just another bomb. We survived eight years of that. We should be able to do it again. Charles _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Adam [adam@fiendishthingy.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 2:05 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Crop Spraying Hello Aardvark, Tuesday, September 25, 2001, 6:13:54 AM, you wrote: JWAoF> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1561000/1561920.stm JWAoF> Crop spraying planes grounded in the US because of fears of their use for JWAoF> biological or chemical weapon agents over cities. JWAoF> What would _your_ cultists put in their stolen crop spraying plane? Here JWAoF> are some of my ideas. Spoiler space below, because there are some issues JWAoF> from Countdown... Crop dusters are back in the air as of today http://www.faa.gov So... -- Best regards, Adam mailto:adam@fiendishthingy.org _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of REFLECTING SKIN [reflectingskin@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 2:18 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Player's Knowledge VS Character's Knowledge/Mythos Knowledge For my Delta Green campaign I broke the 'Cthulhu Mythos' skill into several categories of inter-related myth cycles. SAN loss is based on the total of the top two "mythos knowledge" skills. A crude system, but fine for my campaign, where I know what info my players can/will get far ahead of time. Obvious categories are Bloody Tongue, Magna Mater, Ghouls, etc. as the skill level progresses I might change the name of Bloody Tongue Cult 15% to 'Nyarl-at-hotep Myth Cycle 16%' in order to represent the change in their scope of understanding.... but that's just what i do. -Reflecting Skin- "How now Brown Cow I'm down with the Mau Mau, Clown downtown tried to put us in the dog pound, like H. Rap Brown with the situation,(Won't get no callouses),cause I'm spittin dialectical analysis. So how is this, we never had no Funk until you found out that I turned into a revolutionary, Punk!" - The Coup, Genocide & Juice >From: Luis "Vilaça" >Reply-To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com >To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com >Subject: [DG] Player's Knowledge VS Character's Knowledge >Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:44:42 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi people, > >I have a doubt. I can tell my players that their >characters, due to some tome they read, now know more >about the Cthulhu Mythos. They loose SAN. >But the player may ask: "what exactely did my >character read? what did he find out?" > >What can I answer? Because I perfectly understand >that, to better roleplay their agents, my players need >to know some secrets/info from the Mythos. If not, >Mythos knowledge will only be a number! > >Is there some kind of list with Mythos info from where >I can get stuff and then pass it to the players every >time their Cthulhu Mythos' skill rises? > >Thanks, >Luis > >===== >v.i.s.i.t | m.y | 3.D | g.a.l.l.e.r.y >http://www.cortereal.net > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! >Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com >_______________________________________ >The Delta Green Mailing List >http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of REFLECTING SKIN [reflectingskin@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 2:25 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] counting coup >From: "Alek James Hidell" >those hoary old vets who have >seen and heard the darkling secrets, who have gazed into the abyss and it >look back. I wonder if they count coup as was done in days gone >by, >withpennies on the eyes or an ace of spades, just to scream into a >living >night >that they see and they know, anfd they're ready. Maybe in war. Or in a more cinematic campaign. In my game that would just get my cell marked by the FBI and VICAP. Besides, they dont even shoot enough people to have that kind of trademark...well the russian organitskaya member does...but he's a professional... ;-) Reflecting Skin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Til Eulenspiegel [til_e@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 2:56 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 [snip] > Davide Mana > Still has notes about > Megalopolismancy in CoC > Torino, Italy > Really? What would it take for you to post these? I read "Our Lady of Darkness" just last week, and to my shame, have only now considered what I watched on television in light of that book. I should have my imagination examined. Real-life obviously distracts me too much. dugger@vss.fsi.com : duggerj1@home.com : til_e@hotmail.com Go give blood: (800) GIVE-LIFE This too shall pass. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBO7DhPCjXCkSehE2kEQLB2gCgoUPvoOXsf6Tvy+U+ZvyrcVFh1FcAoK41 O96F0zukvrEoM9tOO/p5mEDj =X6IY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 2:59 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Subscribing to DGWW2 At 11:03 PM 9/22/2001 +0200, Janusz A. Urbanowicz wrote: >ObDG: there was considerable cooperation between Polish exile government in >London and OSS in the cowboy days. Yes, I intend to evolve this into >something DGish. How do I subscribe to DGWWII (to compare notes)? You can subscribe at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dgww2 Or send a blank email to: dgww2-subscribe@yahoogroups.com You will receive a subscription confirmation message. Just reply to this message and your subscription will be complete. Gil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Alek James Hidell [aj_hide11@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 3:54 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Lurker/Question Steve; Have you developed any specifically South African artifacts for DG, such as DG's counterpart/ extension in the Republic? I'd be very interested in such. A.J. Hidell _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 5:21 PM To: Delta Green Community (E-mail) Subject: [DG] Shan vs Fun Guys (SPOILERS) The earlier post about involving the Shan with the incidents at Enolsis got me to thinking about the interactions between the Mi-Go and the Shan. What would happen if a Shan tried to infest a Mi-Go? Would they be able to have any control over the Greys? What if an unsuspecting Shan tried to infest a Grey directly? They probably wouldn't be able to control it since it's not autonomous but what information might they glean from the attempt? Do the Grey's have any information stored in their brains? Any thoughts at all? I'd love to hear the thoughts of others on this. Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 6:09 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Teaming up with Evil On 24 September 2001, "The Man in Black" wrote: >From: Eckhard Huelshoff > > > And what would DG do? What would they do if the US military does >support not > > > only the "Northern Alliance" but another group that is not of Islamic >faith but > > > does believe in a Goddess called "Bloated Woman"!? Probably there is a > > > Tcho-Tcho minority in Afghanistan! > >I believe Afganistan is the home to the last of the Scythians, who >worship Yog-Sothoth (Nasra and co. from one of Pagan's 1920's adventure >compilations) and I believe there is a rival cult of pre-Skoptsi >Shub-Niggurath Scythians out there somewhere. Let us not forget that the >Taliban likes to blow up Buddhist statues, which gives us a reason to >include the Priesthood of Leng and the Cthulhu Cult (just north of the >place). That's at least four Mythos cults in the area (possibly more, if one or more of these have splintered). It seems somewhat unlikely that, given the narrow-minded religious zealotry of the Taliban and bin Laden, these groups have allied themselves with the folks the Allies are going to war with. US Special Forces, British SAS, etc. have learned that one of the important steps you take in country is to recruit some "assets" -- people who are from there and who know the country. Even if they are not willing to fight and die for you, they can be useful as guides. Given that these Mythos cults have reason to dislike the current enemy, the SPECOPS folks will probably see working with them as similar to working with the Northern Alliance (which some of the Special Operators are likely already doing). If your DG team includes Special Forces, Rangers, SEALS, Air Commandos, Force Recon, SAS, etc. (as many teams do -- they like the idea of a trained commando being available to deal with armed cultists, and those monsters which are actually vulnerable to modern firepower), this would be an interesting scenario for them (although I'm not sure how the CDC Doctor, IRS man, FBI agent, etc. would be plausibly accompanying them on this op; even the CIA Officer would have a hard time justifying his presence unless he spoke the language). A highly-placed DG Friendly in the Pentagon might be the one to arrange the assignment. "Captain, we're sending you in country to serve as advisor for a collection of local insurgents who have volunteered to assist in the search for bin Laden and his cohorts in crime. They've made it clear they expect to be renumerated for their troubles, but that detail is not your present concern. They've mentioned that they possess "special weapons" that may be useful in the op... I have no idea of what these could be, but you'll probably want to get details from them once you arrive. Note that they are a coalition of four groups, each composed of members of some minor religions, so you'll have to be careful not to step on any toes, and to keep them from arguing with one another. Here's your briefing packet and CD. Your plane leaves in two hours. Questions?" And, of course, the CD includes some DG specific data that not even the original briefers knew was on it... And, as he walks down the corridor, an Arabic-looking man in civilian clothes, with a high-security clearance badge, comes up to him (from the direction of the damaged section of the Pentagon), and says, "Captain, my name is Alzis, and we need to talk..." What could the US and its allies promise to pay the cults? In what currency? What sort of special capabilities would the cults be able to bring to bear if necessary, and what would this do to the SAN of the Allied advisors? Are there any bottles with the Seal of Solomon in that part of the world? (Somehow I doubt they would contain Barbara Eden!) Assuming the good guys win this battle, what would be the place of the cults in the new political landscape in Afganistan? Would they try to split the country into zones of control (literally or figuratively)? How would the Northern Alliance like having to work with these cults, as they attempt to step into the power vacuum left behind by the Taliban? Would the cults quarrel among themselves after the bad guys are dealt with? Or even before that? (Maybe those Allied advisors had better have some good Persuade skill levels?) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Farnell [daf@fukuoka-u.ac.jp] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 6:12 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Player's Knowledge VS Character's Knowledge From: "Luis Vilaça" > But the player may ask: "what exactely did my > character read? what did he find out?" Welcome, Luis. Two sources in addition to the other recommendations: The latest edition of the CoC Keeper's Companion, which has some description of the contents of Mythos tomes, and a website called R'lyeh 2, if I remember correctly. I'm not sure if that website is still up, and unfortunately I can't look up the address for you, as this computer locks up every time I start my browser :-(. Good luck. Dave PS: I am about to reformat the hard drive of this computer, and will be unable to receive email at this address for at least a day--more if I screw it up. Any offlist DGML Backup questions, etc, please send to my home email address: 1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp . Thank you. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Steven Helberg [steven.helberg@scala.co.za] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 4:39 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Lurker/Question Howdy and welcome. And thanks for the excellent thought provocation....... [Steven Helberg] Thankee. S P O I L E R S P A C E The problem is that although the Shan will notice Groth approaching, they are unlikely to make the Enolsis connection. How would they know where to get involved? From their point of view, Groth just inexplicably decided to show up. In fact, they're likely to think that Groth has tracked them down and is trying to finish the job that it started. So what would they do? [Steven Helberg] Hmm.. They do run Severn Aerospace.. and they have other means of keeping an eye on the heavens. In the Enolsis scenario's the Mi-Go have several sattelites orbiting earth directing the song towards Groth to lure it o Earth. I am sure the Shan would notice that.. Another take.. the Mi-go try and send Groth back.. but IT has noticed the Shan presence and decides to stick around.. How about the Mi-Go maybe using the opportunity to play MJ-12 of against DG.. hinting that DG is in some way responsible? Hmm.. imagine the Mi-Go's reaction when their carefully laid plan goes haywire? How can DG, MJ-12 and PISCES use the ensuing confusion for their own ends? Good groundwork for The End Times. Who will 'side' with whom? Maybe a process of 'Better the Devil you know' where MJ-12 and DG work together in some ways to avert Groth. Maybe in the process a bit more of the Mi-Go cover gets blown. Well, they'd probably want the entire nuclear arsenal of Earth lobbed at the thing. Making that happen would be nearly impossible, of course, but it might be their only hope. Perhaps they would go on a possession spree trying to gain control of the people who control the nukes. Hopping around like that is going to blow their cover and increase their visibility quite a lot, but they really have nothing to lose if Groth is coming for them. And they might get a nuke or two lofted, which is going to start some MAJOR investigations, but they aren't going to be able to get very many up. [Steven Helberg] They do that.. The End Times just fastforwarded by a magnitude.. surely Groth woud come for a quick snack then. Best way to divert it might just be to help the Shan get the hell of the planet.. once again MJ-12/Mi-Go or DG pulling strings... 'World Unite in Epic Poject to avert massive meteor racing to Earth.' The Shan go.. leaving PISCES in a jumble.. massive power vacuum in the UK.. who will step in to fill the spot? Steven Helberg 'You pondering what I am pondering?' From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 6:28 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: nitpickers delight Re: [DG] DGML Backup UNIFORMFONDLING On 25 December 2001, "Dirk R. Festus Festerling" wrote: > The sole > > exception right now is the Karotechia Recruiting > > Poster, which skirts > > dangerously close to the edge of Pornography. I > > can't remember where I > > got this, and I hate to admit it, but it does make > > me want to sign up > > for the Fourth Reich. Actually, it makes me want to fight the Special K all the harder, as I have significantly more friends who are women than who are Nazis (tm)! ("Don't let this happen to your wives, girlfriends, daughters, etc.!") >you know the swastikas are worn on the wrong arm? Hmm... A check of an encyclopedia of WWII uniforms confirms this! Maybe the picture was somehow reversed? Or these are Nazis (tm) from the Mirror Universe (tm)? (izaNs? (mt)):) >not to mention the gross inconvinience of having sex >while wearing a helmet. I have never tried it, but I'll take your word for it!:) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/