From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 6:26 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Teaming up with Evil At 07:08 PM 9/25/2001 -0400, Michael Layne wrote: >... this would be an interesting scenario for them (although I'm not sure >how the CDC Doctor, "We need a specialist on the scene during reconnaisance for possible stockpiles of biological weapons." >IRS man, "These folks may live in caves, but they operate in the 21st century. We know they have significant computer equipment specifically tracking their funds, and we need a man on the scene to break it all down and work out the money trail based off those files." >FBI agent "Wouldn't you know that while the CIA boys were playing with their satellites, it was the FBI that has the only specialist on this particular faction of the terrorist network. It doesn't matter if she is a skirt, that redhead knows more about this group than anyone else in the field, and she can handle an MP5 if it comes to it." >, etc. would be plausibly accompanying them on this op; even the CIA >Officer would have a hard time justifying his presence unless he spoke the >language). "Yeah, yeah, I know you went to DLI and are cleared for Dari. But are you cleared for the Dari dialect the folks in that region speak? I didn't think so. Take the spook and try to bring him back alive - he's government issue." >A highly-placed DG Friendly in the Pentagon might be the one to arrange >the assignment. This is a given in just about any DG op. Gil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 6:33 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: nitpickers delight Re: [DG] DGML Backup UNIFORMFONDLING On 25 September 2001, "David A. Farnell" <1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp> wrote: >And the MiB spelled "hamster" wrong too! > >Dave >swears he doesn't know how the hamster got in there. Obviously, the hamster had the minicamera! This was an HMMC (Hamster Mount Mini Camera), one of the Company's newest spy devices! People are going to be looking for cameras, but they will never suspect an innocent-looking hamster of being on the CIA payroll!:) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 6:46 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Lurker/Question Howdy and welcome. And thanks for the excellent thought provocation....... S P O I L E R S P A C E >Hmm.. They do run Severn Aerospace.. That's a good point. Severn might even have it's own stock pile of nukes "in case of emergency". With the kinds of contacts they can arrange perhaps they have many of those that Russia 'lost'. >In the Enolsis scenario's the Mi-Go have several satellites >orbiting earth directing the song towards Groth to lure it o Earth. >I am sure the Shan would notice that.. Actually, I'm pretty sure those satellites are orbiting *Groth*. In particular I remember there being a chance of Groth opening an eye while a PC watches out the window, resulting in massive SAN loss. That being the case, the Shan probably couldn't detect the satellites from such a great distance. >Another take.. the Mi-go try and send Groth back.. >but IT has noticed the Shan presence and decides to stick around.. An interesting way to bring about the EndTimes, if yer into that sorta thing. Perhaps Groth's proximity to Earth is what needs to happen for the stars to come right. And Mi-Go are left wondering what the heck went wrong. From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 6:59 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Yahoo Groups DGMLbackup : INFINITE RECURSION! On 25 September 2001, "David Pullen" wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: > > > > In a message dated 9/24/01 7:43:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > theherald@hotmail.com writes: > > > > << http://www.thefate.com (which leads to a site on which virtually none >of > > the > > displayed data is readable). >> > > > > Wake up jack! Just because you can't read it doesn't mean that the guys >with > > the spiffy sinister birthmarks cannot! So if you want to see what's >there, > > just get the Horned God Hookup! Just take take him by his left hand (as > > opposed to his red right one) and all wil be revealed! "His _left_ hand"? Definitely sounds like a sinister plot to me! (Sorry, Herald Joke!) > > > >I went to it and was asked to install Korean text support. I can't read >Korean so I didn't bother. >Can anyone on the list enlighten us? So the Fate uses a Korean computer? Or do the Fate's minions all speak Korean, or have Korean to English translation software available? (This wouldn't help them if they get investigated by Koreans, or Korean speakers -- a foreign language isn't a secret code to those who speak it!) Or the language isn't really Korean (Atlantean? Klingonaase? Some odd dialect of ancient Arabic?), but the call for the "Korean text support" is actually a cue to load some special software to make it readable? (Any non-Fate user who loads regular Korean text support gets an error message, snarls something about @#$% stupid Korean programmers, or (more likely) $%&* Microsloth Windoze products, and finds another site!) Clever security Alzis has on his site!:) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Alek James Hidell [aj_hide11@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:15 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux recently, they said a direct hit from more modern nuclear weapons (which only the Russians and (I think?) Chinese have will destroy the whole mountain. The only nukes I can think of that one might even consider using when demolishing mountains are your goals are the Life Under the Hammer bombs, and, AFAIK, the Life Under the Hammer program was discontinued in the 1970s, so they wouldn't represent Soviet/ Russian nuclear SOTA anymore. The Soviet Union never shared Life Under the Hammer with anyone, so blockbusters like that would only be Russian. From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Arjun Roy [karna1819@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 8:15 PM To: Deltagreen@Revolutionsf. Com Subject: [DG] [pure OT] danke yes, thank you all for the support-- i found my father alive in Hoboken, New Jersey on saturday. [!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!] he got out of tower One as it was collapsing, so he broke a hip, ripped lining, internal haemmorhages, etc. but he'll be fine and dandy in a few months. arjun [so relieved right now] and if anybody else is looking-- please don't give up. there /have/ to be more alive down there. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 9:28 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Teaming up with Evil > That's at least four Mythos cults in the area (possibly more, if one or > more of these have splintered). > It seems somewhat unlikely that, given the narrow-minded religious > zealotry of the Taliban and bin Laden, these groups have allied themselves > with the folks the Allies are going to war with. Potential metamorphic cult elements? Present themselves as a sect practicing a strange interpretation of local beliefs, and a shared dislike of the Great American Devil... Be careful to whom one applies the phrase 'narrow minded religious zealotry', in light of the Bush administration having used the phrase 'crusade' in conjunction with a retalitory effort. How outrageous. Their irrational jihad destroys some buildings and kills many people. Our righteous crusade to rid the world of their nationality... *sigh* > interesting scenario for them (although I'm not sure how the CDC Doctor, IRS > man, FBI agent, etc. would be plausibly accompanying them on this op; even > the CIA Officer would have a hard time justifying his presence unless he CIA Officer would have difficulty being in the region? My recollection has it that they are the sort who initiated the vicious circle that has come home, bin Laden. CDC deployment to watchdog for biologic agents and biologic elements the military might encounter/bring home? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ElLocoToro@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 11:55 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Teaming up with Evil In a message dated 9/25/01 6:22:35 AM, EHuelshoff@t-online.de writes: << Imagine Dr. Camp and Justin Croft meeting in a neutral spot like - for example - Geneva, Switzerland. The whole place is full of both MJ12 and DG personell guarding their leaders. Nobody trusts no-one. The whole situation is tense, everybody just waits to pull the trigger..... >> And if a rogue agent on one side decided "to hell with it," and went to assassinate one (or both) of those leaders, a combined DG-MJ12 team would have to stop him. It might be interesting, having players team up with their MJ12 counterparts to take down one of their own in order to preserve the rules of engagement. --Mark _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ElLocoToro@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 11:59 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Teaming up with Evil In a message dated 9/25/01 9:32:14 AM, aj_hide11@hotmail.com writes: << My enemy's enemy is my friend. >> The enemy of my enemy is my weapon. Just a thought. --Mark _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ElLocoToro@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:04 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Teaming up with Evil In a message dated 9/25/01 11:53:43 AM, scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com writes: << I believe Afganistan is the home to the last of the Scythians, who worship Yog-Sothoth (Nasra and co. from one of Pagan's 1920's adventure compilations) and I believe there is a rival cult of pre-Skoptsi Shub-Niggurath Scythians out there somewhere. >> Where did you get this information? --Mark _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:14 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Teaming up with Evil ----- Original Message ----- From: > In a message dated 9/25/01 9:32:14 AM, aj_hide11@hotmail.com writes: > > << My enemy's enemy is my friend. >> > > The enemy of my enemy is my weapon. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. Anything else is wishful thinking or an excuse for a budget. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:32 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Man in Black" > They are completely useless when tracking down small groups of criminals > in a nation that essentially has no manufacturing capability or Division > level units, and fights using guerrilla tactics. If an unemployed > cripple sitting down in Hawaii can see this, it's not too far fetched to > think that the National Security and Intelligence Community realized > this a long time ago. You'd think that, but look at their track record. They trained bin Laden. They fingered a few civilian targets which did ever so much to improve our rep in the region. They backed and financed Nazis, trained death squads, propped up a few world-class shitheads and performed any number of other actions that are bearing fruit about now. The top dogs are *political appointees* with no more guarantee of competence or sanity than some Cabinet appointees of any administration. The Snafu Principle is in force at all times, regardless of the seriousness of the subject at hand. Right now there is a certain urgency to do something, anything. A cruise missile taking out more civilians with no terrorists to show for it will be very very embarrassing and very very public. A crack team of commandos will be depending on the same intel that targets missiles. In the RW, I don't really think we'll use the nuclear "option", but I credit spin doctors more than our intel community for that. They are the experts that think about the aftermath rather than what creates it. I remember when I took a journalism course in (IIRC) 1980. The professor mentioned that it was a journalistic tradition to ask "So, what's happening in Afghanistan?" on a slow news day, but it looks like those days are gone forever. Somehow we didn't use nukes in Korea or Vietnam, avoided Armageddon during the Cuban Missile Crisis and got through an entire Cold War based on mutually assured destruction. I'm sure those memos from the blind idiot center of everything to Nyarly are getting a little snippy. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 2:19 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] [pure OT] danke whew! Glad to hear it, Arjun. J. Edward ps: scary thing. I just learned that on Sept 11th, Jackie Chan was due to be shooting scenes for an upcoming film on top of one of the trade towers... but the script was late. Needless to say, the movie's plot has changed. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Luis Vilaça [iberika@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 5:15 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] DG and CoC's Art Hi, This is an invitation for those interested in DG and CoC inspired art (and some fantasy, sci-fi and horror too.) Here is the link: http://www.cortereal.net Feel free to sign the guestbook and send comments and ideas. Cheers, Luis ===== v.i.s.i.t | m.y | 3.D | g.a.l.l.e.r.y http://www.cortereal.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 5:38 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] [pure OT] danke From: "Arjun Roy" > yes, thank you all for the support-- > i found my father alive in Hoboken, New > Jersey on saturday. [!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!] Arjun...whoa. I had no idea your father was missing. Holy mutheragawd. Well, thank goodness he made it. Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Philip_Ward@yestelevision.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 7:15 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] USeful resource for the Special K and WWII You ought to be able to make decent handouts from some of these: http://warmovieposters.8m.com/ ********************************************************************** This e-mail (including any attachments) is intended only for the recipient(s) named above. It may contain confidential or privileged information and should not be read, copied or otherwise used or disseminated by any unauthorised person. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Yes Television (Europe) Ltd . 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Armstrong [te_odio001@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 9:33 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Memewear --- ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* wrote: > > > >Now, what clothing style would project the Vibe, or > tell watchers that its > >wearer was favoured by the Darks? I don't mean a > t-shirt with something > >written on it: I mean a coherent, functional, > ornamental, style of clothing > >that was consciously alien and functionally > insurgent. > HmmmMmMMmmm. (snip on much good stuff) > As for makeup - either both sexes wear it, or no one > does. My vote is for both. I guess we are assuming that these folks are still mentally present enough to understand that there are people around them, and that they respond to the cultists' appearance. The cultists are also still "present" enough to actually *care*, if only in some small regard. I can only assume, however, from the phrase "consciously alien and functionally insurgent" that they oppose making their look "attractive" in any real sense. The way I see it, they wouldn't want to use makeup in the creepy/sexy vampire tradition of the common Goth-tard. This look, while still slightly off-putting to those who didn't live through (or are too old to remember) the Eighties, is largely a way to say, "hey, I'm creepily sexy,; I'm daring; be intrigued by me". It's not alien, nor particularly insurgent. I'm not sure it ever was. Those who were farther "down the well" than the average sinister clubgoer, would use makeup to alter the parts of their face that most use to merely enhance. To attract is not the idea. To *repulse* is. Instead of makeup to make the eyes bigger, more alert, sharper, it would be used to make them duller, smaller, ~less~ likely to convey the "sparkle" of empathy. Lip gloss and lipstick, instead of enhancing the natural pout and fullness of the lips, should be used to flatten out and deaden the lips, to knock out the contrast between the flush of the lips and the flesh around it. Also, the horizontal line of the lip should be altered. Either use makeup to make the lips smaller in their diameter across the face, more pinched, or make them appear twisted into a lateral *slash*, an up/down diagonal, off-center. All contrast between eye/lip/hairline/cheek blush, and the rest of the face/head, should be eliminated. The idea here is to use the cues that "lesser" primates do(to establish emotional contact, to get that good first impression across. But use them to ~erode~ that very impulse. To ramp up up the anomie. To make the meeting of the eyes, the movement of the lips, the dimpling of the cheeks, a repulsion. To sicken instead of attract. To make the "first impression" something to be dreaded. Of course, when millions at once are doing it, it will be no less repulsive. Regular humans will still be looking for those primate cues of health, interest, and implied intelligence. The blush, the pout, the sparkle, et cetera. They'll find it less and less; but they'll become ~used~ to the implied normalcy of the repulsion. The Chosen People of the Darks will seem less and less like people. "People"-ness, by implication, is devalued (duh). > You could make the case for both sexes shaving off > their eyebrows, too, but > I think that'd be pushing it. Nonono, PUSH IT. Do. I knew this "White Power" girl when I was in high school (Troy High was her brief two-week stop before her truancy became permanent), who naired her head and face, thus getting rid of all head hair and eyebrows. And, more importantly, she ~clipped her eyelashes~ completely off. Pale skin, only highlighted by the raw patches irritated by the Nair. And her eyes, unframed by lashes, brows, or any darkening makeup, were actually, well, less *alive* looking. The ugly effect was helped along by the whites of her eyes getting raw and red, filled, I presume, with the dust and crap that the lashes couldn't catch. Ohhhhh, man, you can't imagine how hard it was to view this young woman. Just a few changes, taking away framing devices and contrasts for the face and eyes. And it's like looking at some kind of homunculous. You look at this living, breathing person, and you don't want to think of them as a person. This was something, I found out later, she desired. She was, among other things, probably crazy. Mind you, the effect was helped along by her probably being crazy. She had, even in her "I hate niggers" talk (that I briefly hung around to hear), a lack of affect that was really wierd and ugly. She just...wasn't...connecting to anything going on. She wasn't a zombie, or anything, but her lack of emotional response to anything was immediately noticeable. And fuckin' ~sickening~, frankly. More sick than her dumb hick nazi bullshit, or anything else she said. So, attitude counts! None of these makeup and accessorizing tips for OUR GORGEOUS ENDTIMES FALL LINEUP will matter a bit, if our models are out there, y'know, being nice or something...they've got to cultivate that "wrong affect" so talked about in the Ice Cave'd articles on the Tcho-Tcho... (WORK IT, BABY! C'mon, make Loooooooove to the camera!) King In Yellow Cultists are a different thing. They do, for reasons all their own (or the Vibe's), want to attract, or to look sort of attractive, to make that initial positive connection. So, as memewear, it's entirely useful for them to go with the creepy-crawly-but attractive Cenobite-gear Mr. Edward mentioned. They generally skip over the middle steps I've outlined above,i.e., still interacting with people, but as an utter assault on their sensibilities. Well, what I mean is, they DO get to that point, but not by way of changing their "look". They jump right to the third stage; deciding it's time to start cutting their face off to get to the "real" face underneath, or tunneling a hole to His Promised Land through their own intestines. xJAYx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 10:41 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Memewear From: "The Lizard King" > You skipped 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind.' > It took all of the scary elements of UFO phenomena and gave it all a happy > ending. Hell, even shady government agencies that look and act scary come > off as benign. You're not alone, Mark. I've read that theory, that Close Encounters was the government's laying the groundwork for public acceptance of aliens, seriously proposed in a UFO magazine (might've been the MUFON mag). Made it sound like Spielberg was working for the feds--it was so paranoid sounding, I was surprised (but relieved) that it didn't bring up the International Jewish Conspiracy. Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 10:18 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Memewear ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Armstrong" > My vote is for both. I guess we are assuming that > these folks are still mentally present enough to > understand that there are people around them, and that > they respond to the cultists' appearance. The cultists > are also still "present" enough to actually *care*, if > only in some small regard. I can only assume, however, > from the phrase "consciously alien and functionally > insurgent" that they oppose making their look > "attractive" in any real sense. Not necessarily. But it is definitely a trend among RL cultists, isn't it? Hari Krishna robes, and that all-over covering that extreme Islam forces on women (we can't get away from that subject, can we?) > The Chosen People of the Darks will seem less and > less like people. "People"-ness, by implication, is > devalued (duh). Yes. But the point is that they have something else that is better. > I knew this "White Power" girl when I was in high > school (Troy High was her brief two-week stop before > her truancy became permanent), who naired her head and > face, thus getting rid of all head hair and eyebrows. People do not put up such barriers to human contact unless they have been horribly and repeatedly hurt, and the pain of isolation is less than the pain of contact. Of course I know nothing whatever about this girl, but her behaviour is consistent with (for example) a traumatic sexual assault, or the memory of a deeply abusive relationship. As I noted some time ago, an abusive human relationship is, in some ways, a good model for the relationship between a human being who worships one of the Mythos entities and their god. The strength of a human abuser (it seems to me) is often that their partner becomes trained to react to abuse by reaching out even furthur, submitting even more. They can't accept the fact that they are being used: and the abuser, pimp or whatever becomes adroit at giving just enough reward to make them believe that if they are a little *more* submissive all will be well. I remember one time on a train seeing a big black guy controlling a girl in this fashion. Her behaviour was deeply "wrong". She blushed, stammered, tried to please, made little "intention tremors", signalled playfulness with her body language: and he picked up each attempt and crushed it. But from time to time threw her a scrap of attention and affection. (This was many, many, years ago. I was very naieve then and I didn't really understand this sort of thing. In retrospect he was very obviously a pimp) The less a man feels for a woman, it seems, the easier it is for him to "train" them in this way. I suspect the Mythos entities could be extremely good at this, since they "feel" nothing at all. Of course, many of them would not bother. But in some cases it might be an actual learned technique, done because the human contact is profitable and useful. And the humans would get *something* out of it. The Mythis entities may be abusive to the n'th, but they are *real* gods. Thus, by advertising their distance from humanity, the human worshippers advertise their power. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Luis Vilaça [iberika@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 11:52 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Adventures Hello, I'm planning my campaign and would like to know if there are any adventures for DG beside those in the DG setting book? For example, Countdown has any adventures? Luis ===== v.i.s.i.t | m.y | 3.D | g.a.l.l.e.r.y http://www.cortereal.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 11:57 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux On 25 September 2001, "The Man in Black" said: >Weapons of Mass Destruction in the NBC/CBR family are designed to kill >Division level conventional forces in Europe (and to a lesser degree, >Asia). And, while they can be used tactically, on smaller scales, they are too indiscriminate for use in this situation. While no one outside of Hollywood can guarantee a war with no noncombatant casualties, the current policy seems to be to minimize them. (In its own way, it's probably more of a "Police Action" than Korea was -- the bad guys are what amounts to a religiously-motivated organized crime syndicate, and the good guys are looking to bring them to justice, even if in many cases that justice proves to be summary...) The suggestion of persistent chemical agents is not a new one. It was suggested back during Vietnam, and was rejected for the same reason it hopefully would be today. Persistent chemical agents, such as the "V" agents, are a bit _too_ persistent! The contamination would still be around, to some extent, long after the fighting is over, to continue to inflict casualties among the civilians. Point application of lethal chemical agents might be possible against the air intakes of the underground bunkers, but those are likely equipped with CBR filters against such a contingency, as the Russians reportedly used chemical weapons in Afganistan. Riot control agents, such as CS, might be better for release into the air intakes, as our troops would only require masks rather than the full MOPP rig... but, again, CBR filters would defeat such an attack, and the occupants of the bunkers might have masks available. (I have several surplus catalogs myself, from which I could buy a surplus Warsaw Pact mask for only $20 or so, and someone over there may have a subscription to one of these catalogs, or simply a stock of captured masks...) >ICBM's with nuclear warheads are strategic weapons designed to >cripple an enemy's industrial and logistical capacity to fight a war by >destroying their cities. And here they would produce enormous amounts of overkill, and huge numbers of civilian casualties, which the good guys have repeatedly said they don't want! Not just at the blast sites themselves, but downwind... There would be some definite problems in Pakistan, for example, if they end up under a cloud of fallout! Even tactical nuclear weapons are unsuited for this conflict. The US, and I believe the UK and France, still have the concept of the "nuclear threshold". Nukes are seen as a "special weapon", not to be employed except by clearance from the National Command Authority. This, along with their great destructiveness, has contributed to their mystique. Suvrov, in his book "Inside the Red Army", suggests that the Cold War approach of the USSR's policy-makers was slightly different. The US he likened to the stereotypical cowboy, who answers a punch in the nose with a punch in the nose, and "reaches for an axe" only after he has gone through several steps of graduated response, or if the other fellow brings out an axe. According to Suvrov, the Russian response would have been to simply finish the foe -- "grab up the axe". However, the sheer destructiveness of what are rightly termed "weapons of mass destruction" apparently impressed even the old men in the Kremlin, because the USSR did not "grab up the axe" in the Cuban Missile Crisis, and in Afganistan. If even the Soviets, who apparently did not formally recognize a firewall between conventional weapons and WMD, didn't use theirs, I would expect the US policy-makers, with the US tradition of such a firewall, to exercise at least as much restraint. (Incidentally, I recommend Suvrov's books "Inside the Red Army" and "The Aquarium", even though they were written back in the days of the Evil Empire. Traditions change slowly, and much of what he describes may still exist in some form. "The Aquarium" gives some interesting background on the Glavnoye Razvetyvatelnoye Upravlenie (GRU)...) If some of the bad guys which the good guys must take out are holed up in some deep bunker, the answer is not to "nuke 'em", but to starve them out -- to return to old-fashioned siege warfare. Locate all their tunnel exits and block them and/or have them covered by heavy firepower. Invest the location with enough force to deal with a breakout and/or other Threat forces coming to relieve the siege. Perhaps augment the siege forces with placement of area-denial munitions, with a self-destruct option so they can be swept when the conflict is over. (Thus -- unlike the minefields in other places -- they won't be blowing up civilians years after the fighting stops.) Wait for them to starve and/or run out of fuel for their generators. (IIRC, even NORAD HQ in Cheyenne Mountain only has 60 days diesel fuel supply for their generators; I'm not sure about NORAD's supplies of other consumables. It is a bit unlikely the occupants of the Afganistan bunkers have RTGs to run their lights and life-support, or that they have years worth of food down there.) Locate and neutralize their landlines and antennas so they can't command their forces from there. Sooner or later, they will be faced with the choice of starving, or of sallying to attempt to break the siege themselves. While holed up, they had the advantages of hard cover and a sharply limited number of access points which would channel an attack, and which could be covered with plenty of big gunz. They are in a slightly better position than the occupants of many medieval castles, as they have no frontage of wall to defend, no worry about rushes with scaling parties, and must simply guard the "castle gates". When they leave -- unless they use some hidden sally port the besiegers didn't discover, their advantages are reversed, and they are exiting, along a narrow frontage, into the teeth of weapons set up to cover the exits. The area denial munitions would serve to further channel their forces. I'm not saying that this would infallibly work. In the Middle Ages, a siege was frequently a contest between the starvation rate of the people in the castle, and the rate at which the besieging commander got bored, or saw his force whittled down by attrition. (With the possibility of allies of the men in the castle arriving to lift the siege from outside.) But it's a better solution than "nuke 'em till they glow"! > >They are completely useless when tracking down small groups of criminals >in a nation that essentially has no manufacturing capability or Division >level units, and fights using guerrilla tactics. The best way to meet them militarily is going to be with Special Forces (I'm speaking in generic terms here -- SF, Rangers, Force Recon, Air Commandos, SEALs, SAS, etc.) People are more precise in this case than satellites and missiles, and the objective is a pinpoint strike with few collateral casualties! A possible difficulty here is going to be the interservice rivalry between the "real" (conventional) armed forces, and the SpecOps community. The conventional US military has never really trusted SpecOps people -- partly an American mistrust of a fighting elite, and partly concerns that it siphons off the best soldiers. We can hope that whoever ends up commanding this op knows how to use commandos properly, and gives them the intel they need to do the job right. >If an unemployed >cripple sitting down in Hawaii can see this, it's not too far fetched to >think that the National Security and Intelligence Community realized >this a long time ago. I'm sure they have... At least I hope they have! We hear many tales of their failures -- and they have had some spectacular failures! However, they have also had successes -- they just tend to still be classified, or simply not as lurid a "story" to the press. Hopefully, this op will be one of their successes. Of course, even a success could lead to problems down the road, if it means that the good guys are beholden to some coalition of Afgan-based Cthulhu cults that will step into the power vacuum and need to be dealt with by DG at a future date... Yes, some of the Intelligence people share the blame for Bin Laden. They helped train him to combat the USSR, back when there was still a USSR. In a sense, we created our own Frankenstein Monster which threatens to destroy us! But the trouble with creating Frankenstein Monsters is that many of them are not obviously Frankenstein Monsters until it is too late! A friend of mine insists that the problem is as old as war, that Vlad "Dracula" Tepes got his military training from the Turks, who later found themselves on the receiving end of that training. Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:34 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Crop Spraying On 25 September 2001, "Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord" wrote: >http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1561000/1561920.stm > >Crop spraying planes grounded in the US because of fears of their use for >biological or chemical weapon agents over cities. > >What would _your_ cultists put in their stolen crop spraying plane? Here >are some of my ideas. Spoiler space below, because there are some issues >from Countdown... While the suggestions are good ones, most of the substances in the list are going to have limited availability, even to the average Mythos cult. I suppose it would depend on just what the goal of the cults's operation was. If it is to cause mass mayhem or death, rather than simply unleash the power of the Mythos, they might use more prosaic materials. Hallucinogens, so that those affected would be fighting imaginary monsters. Insecticides... A number of modern insecticides are more than slightly related to nerve gases. They are cholinesterase (sp) inhibitors. In a way, when you buy a can of RAID, you're buying a canister of nerve gas! Combustible materials, in very fine powder or aerosol form, for an attack with FAE. Likely, the plane would be blasted out of the sky by the fireball, but this wouldn't bother a suicidally motivated cultist! 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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Charles Ripper [yeroshka7@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 1:10 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Teaming up with Evil >From: "Michael Layne" >On 24 September 2001, "The Man in Black" >wrote: > >>include the Priesthood of Leng and the Cthulhu Cult (just north of the >>place). > > That's at least four Mythos cults in the area (possibly more, if one or >more of these have splintered). OK, I hate to ask, but you all seem to take it for granted that the center of the Cthulhu Cult is located in the Himalayas/Central Asia. I'm curious if there has been anything written up to that effect. I'm only familiar with Castro's remark in 'Call of Cthulhu,' and, to me, that doesn't point ot C Asia. Will Work For Enlightenment. Charles _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 1:43 PM To: Delta Green Community (E-mail) Subject: [DG] Thought you might be interested... A Federal Air Marshal might make an interesting DG friendly or agent. Here's all the details of the job: http://jobs.faa.gov/announcement_detail.asp?vac_id=59569 Able to carry weapons on flights, easily assigned to whatever flight their boss is told to put them on, anywhere in the world, and Top Secret clearance all in one. Who could ask for anything more? Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 1:59 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Teaming up with Evil From: ElLocoToro@aol.com >Where did you get this information? > >--Mark >In a message dated 9/25/01 11:53:43 AM, scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com writes: > >from one of Pagan's 1920's adventure compilations) DUH! Hello!!! McFly!!!! Anybody home? The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 1:55 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Adventures From: Luis Vilaça >I'm planning my campaign and would like to know if >there are any adventures for DG beside those in the DG >setting book? For example, Countdown has any >adventures? The Delta Green Scenario Bibliography: Delta Green: Puppet Shows and Shadow Plays Convergence The New Age Delta Green Countdown: A Victim of the Art Night Floors Dead Letter Delta Green Eyes Only Volume Three: Project RAINBOW: Artifact Zero Shadis Magazine Issue #52: El Dia de los Muertos (by John Tynes) Pyramid Online: Jack Frost by Shane Ivey http://www.sjgames.com/pyramid/login/article.cgi?1299 Cthulhu Live Shades of Grey: Berlin Black (A WWII scenario) Unspeakable Oath 14/15: Fuel of the Gods Unspeakable Oath 16/17: See No Evil The upcoming Eyes Only Compilation will also include a Mi-Go adventure (I think). I don't own the Fate sourcebook, so I'm not sure if there's a scenario in there. And of course, there's all the "amateur" scenarios available online, and conversion ideas for regular CoC scenarios are available somewhere on the Delta Green Secure Server. The Delta Green Live book doesn't have any scenarios as far as I know, a void for "Big Mac" McLaughlin to fill in the future. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 2:08 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux -----Original Message----- From: Michael Layne To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Date: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux >On 25 September 2001, "The Man in Black" said: > >> Suvrov, in his book "Inside the Red Army", suggests that the Cold War >approach of the USSR's policy-makers was slightly different. The US he >likened to the stereotypical cowboy, who answers a punch in the nose with a >punch in the nose, and "reaches for an axe" only after he has gone through >several steps of graduated response, or if the other fellow brings out an >axe. According to Suvrov, the Russian response would have been to simply >finish the foe -- "grab up the axe This is essentially the "Resistance Force Comparative Scale" method used to train police officers. Basically, an officer responds with incrementally increasing levels of force until the subject backs down, is arrested or gets shot by the SWAT team. http://www.lfbscholarly.com/criminal_justice/terrill_202095.htm I think it works well for a Global Policeman in the New World Order. Better than indiscriminately nuking people offhand or letting more easily preventable Rwandan Genocides occur. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Alek James Hidell [aj_hide11@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 2:11 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] to hell in a bucket, part deux "Suvrov, in his book "Inside the Red Army", suggests that the Cold War > approach of the USSR's policy-makers was slightly different. The US he > likened to the stereotypical cowboy, who answers a punch in the nose with a > punch in the nose, and "reaches for an axe" only after he has gone through > several steps of graduated response, or if the other fellow brings out an > axe. According to Suvrov, the Russian response would have been to simply > finish the foe -- "grab up the axe". However, the sheer destructiveness of > what are rightly termed "weapons of mass destruction" apparently impressed > even the old men in the Kremlin, because the USSR did not "grab up the axe" > in the Cuban Missile Crisis, and in Afganistan." Somwhat frightening to consider what would have happened if the balloon went up between the east and the west given this philosophy in the Kremlin. I've been trying to find Suvorov's books for an age, without any luck. Any suggestions? " If some of the bad guys which the good guys must take out are holed up > in some deep bunker, the answer is not to "nuke 'em", but to starve them out > -- to return to old-fashioned siege warfare." Smoke 'em out. Block off all the air holes except one on either side of the complex, then pump the ventilation system full of some sort of fuel oil, like diesel or gasoline. Make sure its hot, so you get vapors. Wait a little bit, throw in a match, and BOOM, bunker busting like we did on the ranch (incidentally, this is an excellent way to root out prairie dogs and rabbit warrens). "> A possible difficulty here is going to be the interservice rivalry > between the "real" (conventional) armed forces, and the SpecOps community. > The conventional US military has never really trusted SpecOps people -- > partly an American mistrust of a fighting elite, and partly concerns that it > siphons off the best soldiers. We can hope that whoever ends up commanding > this op knows how to use commandos properly, and gives them the intel they > need to do the job right." IMHO, the best soldiers are not necessarily those in a special forces team. Rather, you'll find the best soldiers in regular army units which have seen combat. Now, when you get SpecFor who have seen combat, that's a little different, but the last official combat the west saw was the Gulf. "> Yes, some of the Intelligence people share the blame for Bin Laden. > They helped train him to combat the USSR, back when there was still a USSR. > In a sense, we created our own Frankenstein Monster which threatens to > destroy us!" Milt Bierman's job was to get the Russians out of Afghanistan, not to put nice guys in power. he did what he had to do to bleed the bear. He wasn't there to foster democracy. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 3:26 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Cthulhu Cult in Centra Asia(was Re: [DG] Teaming up with Evil) At 06:09 PM 9/26/2001 +0000, Charles Ripper wrote: >OK, I hate to ask, but you all seem to take it for granted that the center >of the Cthulhu Cult is located in the Himalayas/Central Asia. I'm curious >if there has been anything written up to that effect. I'm only familiar >with Castro's remark in 'Call of Cthulhu,' and, to me, that doesn't point >ot C Asia. I'm working off Adam Crossingham's article on the Black Dragon Society in the Cthulhu Live: Delta Green book. In there, the BDS is directed by a shadowy force known as the Order of the Green Dragon, who in turn, are in contact with the Green Men, Agarthic monks of the Left Hand Path in a monastery in Tibet: "Some occult researchers have observed that the Order of the Green Men are probably related to the Cult of Cthulhu: the Leng Monastics or the Kuen-Yuin. Interestingly these commentators are deceased or missing - often mysteriously or suddenly, sometimes after encountering swarthy matelots." Actually, the above is from a draft of the chapter Adam provided us on Kurotokage. I'm not sure if it made the final book, as I don't own CL:DG. However, I've read the chapter in the book, and it seemed like to followed Adam's draft almost to the letter. This does not mean that the Ascended Masters of the Cult of Cthulhu are in the area, but there is some evidence that Lovecraft himself placed them in central Asia. Castro's remark in "Call of Cthulhu" seems like a dig against the Theosophists, whom Lovecraft was taunting by stating that their Ascended Masters were in actuality evil servants of a alien titanic cephalopod sleeping in the Pacific. I think Joshi makes a footnote to that effect in the annotated version. Personally, I working from the standpoint that the Green Men are the Ascended Masters of the Cthulhu Cult, as: a) Tibet will play a major role in DGWW2. b) Something happened to the Cthulhu Cult between the '20s and the '90s that caused them to basically disappear, at least from the view of Delta Green (as stated in the DELTA GREEN sourcebook). Put that together, and I would say there is a place here for DGWW2 to play with the idea that the Karotechia and the Black Dragon Society (which Adam's chapter also has united through the Green Men) as being the lead by which DG and/or PISCES track and deliver a serious blow to the Cthulhu Cult. There's also that book The Guide to the Cthulhu Cult, which may give a different location for the Ascended Masters. I haven't read it, but I've heard bad things about it - that it takes a very Derlethian view of all things Mythos. Gil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ElLocoToro@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 3:31 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Teaming up with Evil In a message dated 9/27/01 3:01:31 AM, scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com writes: << >Where did you get this information? > >--Mark >In a message dated 9/25/01 11:53:43 AM, scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com writes: > >from one of Pagan's 1920's adventure compilations) DUH! Hello!!! McFly!!!! Anybody home? >> Did I just get flamed? Cool... What I meant is, what's it called? Can I get a copy? Can someone send me a summary? --Mark, rubbing the bruises on his thick skull _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 5:38 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] The End of the Conspiracy? Good Evening! In the days after the list came back from the dead there was discussion a plenty about what the WTC mass murder means for the DG setting and how to use it as a setting. I appreciated the fact that it never ever got tasteless and what I really liked was the fact that we concentrated on *the aftermath* of this terrible crime and that we did not waste our time speculating and brainstorming to make the act itself a "DGish" conspiracy. Anyway / & in game terms: Let's take for granted that that act was indeed commited by Islamistic extremists under the control of BinLaden, supported by Afghanistan and probably the Iraq. So the US & its NATO partners will act. We do not know just what they will do, but that they will do something is absolutely certain. There may not be a total invasion of Afghanistan, but instead special operations and bombings in addition to supporting local forces that are enemies of our enemy. [ The reports about the successes of the Northern Alliance do support the theory that 'we' are already supporting them with knowledge, weaponry and probably manpower as well ]. But one thing - in game terms - is pretty certain: US citizens, both civilian and military - will be confronted not only with the horrors of war and terror but with the mythos side of horror as well: We heard about the ghouls under WTC, we speculated about the Tcho Tcho population in Afghanistan and the centre of the Cult of Cthulhu in Central Asia. And what about Leng? It might probably be located in Afghanistan or Usbekistan, what might lead to trouble of some sort [ "Sir, we found out that this plateau in Afghanistan's Northeast seems to lack any large towns or enemy troops. Why don't we deploy the 82nd Airborne Division over there in this place....what is it called....Leng." ] Thus: In my opinion there will be a large number of reports dealing with 'mythos spotting' especially by men from the armed forces. And there will be men that remember. Higher ranking officers, politicians, journalists, all veterans of the Vietnam War, that remember what they saw: The Tcho Tcho, the forbidden temples, those awkwardly fishlike looking Vietcong in that Village near the delta of the Mekong.... And some of them may remember DELTA GREEN, not necessarily by the name, but by the deeds. And someone might come up with the idea of reactivating this organisation, ending its status of an illegal conspiracy. The WTC tragedy might totally change the role of DG once again... eckhard _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jessthecatasc@eircom.net Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 5:53 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: DGML silence > > - The Nuge (whose gonna get sooooo much shit for this....) > No you ain't. I told you, right now we are listening, not arguing. > The Glove Cleaner Ah, spoilsport... Whats the DGML without pointless arguements? Comeon - that is why Majestic 12 bred the Man in Black, aint it? Cause sure aint no Scroggins breedin' in the wild. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/