From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 6:30 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] tradecraft ----- Original Message ----- From: "Davide Mana" > > And we never touched on the issue of Japanese multipurpose equipment. > A toilet with a set of switches attached? Amazing stuff, as testified to me long ago by a friend with a Japanese fiance. Here, for instance http://www.mindspring.com/~amotoi/ ObDG. Ummm . . . I was going to say that this sort of domestic stuff would be a good cover for stashing secret equipment for communication and so forth. But I reflect that anything my poor Western mind can come up with in the line of controlling the world while sitting on a Japanese toilet has long ago been done and dusted by the Hentai fans. Let's not go there. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 7:35 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG: Carrie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jussi Marttila" > Just had a swell time watching "Carrie" on the telly. Don't feel like > sleeping quite yet so I'll put down the ideas about a DG scenario featuring > "Carrie". I take it everyone has seen the movie or read the book or both, so > I won't repeat the events. Another King story that's worth plundering is "Firestarter." The movie was a disappointment, but the novel had some tasty bits. Random thoughts: The movie. Liked the sound cue for the father "pushing" with his mind. A cycling synthesized percussion track, possibly by Tangerine Dream. Might be worth emulating for a game. Martin Sheen was rather good in spite of the lackluster production. The first actor offered the role of Rainbird was Edward James Olmos (who would have rocked), but he turned it down. He played a Native American in "Wolfen" and caught some flak for getting the role rather than a NA actor. He takes that sort of thing seriously. So, the producers gave the role to George C. Scott. Huh? The book. The powers came from a MKULTRA type experiment with hallucinogens administered to college students. They got their DNA kinked by the experiment which resulted in mutations in their offspring. It wouldn't take much to make it an OUTLOOK experiment. At one point the father "pushes" a cabdriver into seeing a (IIRC) $100 bill when handed a $1. When others handle the bill after the fact they see flashes of $100 but with the wrong portrait. The father uses his power on himself to cure his pill addiction in a symbolic dream. Worth plundering. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jonas Bolander (ERA) [Jonas.Bolander@era.ericsson.se] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 8:30 AM To: Delta Green (E-mail) Subject: [DG] Delta Green Rapid Response? After a botched kidnapping of a Karotechia Ritter in the Florida Everglades four of the Agents were taken injured but alive by the opposition. The fifth Agent managed to evade his pursuers and put in a call to Cell A requesting immediate assistance. He knows where the captured Agents were taken (an alligator farm) and that the opposition is quite well-armed (right-wing militia), if possibly a bit disorganized (since the Agents took out most of their leaders in the fire-fight before their capture). What kind of rescue-force could Delta Green get there while it is still feasible the Agents haven't become alligator-fodder? And how quickly could they be in place? Would it be easier/faster to involve other legal agencies? The free Agent is a FBI-agent but is not on an official case. Two of the captured Agents belong to the BATF & FBI, while the other two in reality are friendlies (P.I. and mob hitman). Any ideas welcome. /JoB _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 8:29 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The End of the Conspiracy? From: The Lizard King > PARIAH could find himself the target of audits and search warrants and >surveillance a bit more annoying than ever before I'm slowly rewriting large portions of EMERALD HAMMER (in my head only) to incorporate the IMMINENT DOMAIN material. Alzis will have mysteriously disappeared (died) in the WTC incident, conveniently shifting attention away from the Fate... He reappears mysteriously later on of course. But initially, he's out of the picture. Considering he dies in chapter two anyway, it's not that big of an alteration... the whole "getting DG official again" is the major shift for EMERALD HAMMER. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 8:35 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Deep Space 1 From: Jim Clunie >Call me crazy .. remember the earlier discussion of what a Hound might look >like? > >http://nmp.jpl.nasa.gov/ds1/img/nucleus.jpg That's not a hound! That's Lrogg! Two Headed Bat God of Uranus! The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 8:50 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Delta Green Rapid Response? --- "Jonas Bolander (ERA)" schrieb: > After a botched kidnapping of a Karotechia Ritter in > the Florida > Everglades everglades are nice. had some sessions in a milleniums end campaign out there. main advantage: however rhino the summoned cavalry will act, do as our team did and blaim it on a) crazy drug dealer feuds or b) exiled cubans still training for "return to bay of pigs" (these might come handy to put up against the right wing militia too). just some sweet rememberances festus __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 8:57 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: Cthulhu Cult in Centra Asia(was Re: [DG] Teaming up with Evil) From: Charles Ripper >I'm not entirely clear what you've described here, and I don't have a copy >of Lost Souls. Who are the Black Brotherhood? The Black Brotherhood are a splinter group of the Western European Cthulhu Cult. Their main complaint is that the Archheirophant of Europe gave concessions to the Leng Monastics and their allies, the immortal Kuen-Yuin such as access to Irem and support of anti-European activity in China. This was due to fear of the Oriental faction's superior sorcery, and the members of the Black Brotherhood thought a war was preferable to appeasement. The primary activity of the Brotherhood these days is to cause as much political and economic chaos as possible in order to destroy human sanity and pave the way for the ENDTIMES. This entails a lot of terrorist activity and financial misconduct in the Middle East, Central Asia, Europe and the Americas. They do not like their rivals in the Cthulhu Cult at all, and the feeling is mutual. The Black Brotherhood is at war with everyone, and that's the way they like it, with every man killing wild and free of the shackles of morality. > Does DG:LS say anything specifically about the Asian part of the Cthulhu Cult, or does it >focus on the European end, using the Easternerns as plot points and >backdrop? Cthulhu Live: Lost Souls covers the ENTIRE Cthulhu Cult in about ten pages. It details the history of the Esoteric Order of Dagon, the Leng Monastics, the Deathless Kuen-Yuin, The Archheirophant of Europe, and the terrorists of the Black Brotherhood. This is actually a lot of info for Cthulhu Live, Delta Green only gets 1 1/2 pages. To sum up... Cthulhu Live has a LOT of good info for tabletop activity, I highly recommend their books. Lost Souls alone covers enough mythos cults and anti-mythos groups to keep an army of investigators busy for years. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 9:05 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Delta Green Rapid Response? From: Jonas Bolander (ERA) >What kind of rescue-force could Delta Green get there while it >is still feasible the Agents haven't become alligator-fodder? >And how quickly could they be in place? >Would it be easier/faster to involve other legal agencies? It depends entirely on your campaign, anything from a RHINO team of operators like Dirty Dick Marcinko and his merry band of unwashed neer-do-wells to a full fledged sorcerous incursion from eeyore e. edwards and the Heralds of Hypnos. It would probably be a BAD idea to involve legal authorities in a case without official cover. Your agents lives are not worth risking exposure for. The real question is "Is there any good roleplaying to be had from a failed rescue attempt, or will the story be better served by a quick Deus Ex Machina?" Me, I say let your players make a brand new Cell, sent in to find out what happened to the last group of guys we sent into certain doom. That way THEY get to decide who rescues what's left of their old characters. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nick Brownlow [stabernide@netscape.net] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 9:29 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: Re: Cthulhu Cult in Centra Asia(was Re: [DG] Teaming up with Evil) <> Not according to UNSEEN MASTERS it's not;- SPOILERS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In UM, Bruce Ballon suggests that the Black Brotherhood is the modern day incarnation of the Brotherhood of the Black Pharoah, which has also absorbed the Brotherhood of the Beast after the events described in the 'Day of the Beast' campaign. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Philip_Ward@yestelevision.com Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 9:46 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Freemason Conspiracy tied into the Wayans family.. I knew those guys were guilty after the DnD movie..... http://hardtruth.topcities.com/13_33_freemason_sig.htm ********************************************************************** This e-mail (including any attachments) is intended only for the recipient(s) named above. It may contain confidential or privileged information and should not be read, copied or otherwise used or disseminated by any unauthorised person. 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UPDATES: http://www.delta-green.com/ ARCHIVE: http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/v04/ be seeing you, christopher@delta-green.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jpetheri@cyberbeach.net Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 12:01 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Better than Carnivore? While doing some browsing on another topic, I ran across references to a product sold by the C3I division of Raytheon. According to the press releases, SilentRunner is supposed to be a network traffic analysis tool superior to Carnivore. At only $65K a copy, there has to be a cell with access. http://www.raytheon.com/c3i/c3iproducts/c3i021/c3i021.htm http://www.raytheon.com/c3i/c3iproducts/c3i021/images/inforules.pdf http://silentrunner.zurka.com/ ======================================== John Petherick, CIH e-mail: jpetheri@cyberbeach.net ----------------------------------------------- Did you know ? Internet Computing has arrived in Sudbury ? http://home.cyberbeach.net/NewsReleases/free_offering.htm Happy Surfing ! http://www.cyberbeach.net ----------------------------------------------- Brought to you by Cyber Beach's BottleMail ! http://www.cyberbeach.net _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of david wienecke [dwienecke@usa.net] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 12:03 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [Re: [DG] Delta Green Rapid Response?] "The Man in Black" wrote: >The real question is "Is there any good role-playing to be had from a >failed rescue attempt, or will the story be better served by a quick >Deus Ex Machina?" >Me, I say let your players make a brand new Cell, sent in to find out >what happened to the last group of guys we sent into certain doom. That >way THEY get to decide who rescues what's left of their old characters. Heck yeah! After our Rhino team finishes mopping up, the players are going to pick up their alternate characters and sift through the rubbish to find their former corpses, great for san loss. Ever since ran my first game I have insisted that every COC player have an alternate player to bring on board when their primary buys it or is incapacitated. While I do not particularly enjoy crisping entire cells but my personal referee ethic prohibits me from protecting players from the results of really stupid moves. Dave W _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jpetheri@cyberbeach.net Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 12:07 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Godlike update I noticed that the latest Diamond catalogue lists Godlike as an upcoming product. Considering the performance of Diamond in delivering games, this could mean that Godlike is out next month or this time next year. So I cruised to the portion of the Paganites website and, lo and behold, there was new information about Godlike. http://www.tccorp.com/godlike/about.html It looks like I'll have a reason to dust off the bag of d10 dice that have been resting since my Ars Magica campaign died a quiet death. The photos and captions are rather amusing, too. ======================================== John Petherick, CIH e-mail: jpetheri@cyberbeach.net ----------------------------------------------- Did you know ? Internet Computing has arrived in Sudbury ? http://home.cyberbeach.net/NewsReleases/free_offering.htm Happy Surfing ! http://www.cyberbeach.net ----------------------------------------------- Brought to you by Cyber Beach's BottleMail ! http://www.cyberbeach.net _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Ethan Butterfield [primus@veris.org] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 12:29 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Better than Carnivore? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 01:00:48PM -0400, jpetheri@cyberbeach.net wrote: > While doing some browsing on another topic, I ran across references to > a product sold by the C3I division of Raytheon. According to the press > releases, SilentRunner is supposed to be a network traffic analysis tool > superior to Carnivore. At only $65K a copy, there has to be a cell with > access. Superior? That I don't know about. Rumors flying around the field I work in (network security) have been saying for a year+ now that Silent Runner is Carnivore circa 1995 or so, with a few added bells and whistles. I've been trying to get my hands on a copy for over a year, but Raytheon doesn't want to talk to you unless you have a ton of $$$ to throw at them. @(_&#%(_ing defense contractors... Anyways, this leads into the wonderful field of data reduction. Sure, systems like Carnivore, Silent Runner, or even a good open-source program like snort (snort r0X0rZ!) can get you a ton of data from packets flying over the network. But you run into some very significant problems such as: 1) If the data's encrypted, you can't see squat besides the originating host's address and the destination address. 2) If the data's full IPSec traffic (encrypted payload [ESP] + authentication header [AH]), you see NOTHING. Not even the two endpoint addresses. The addresses on the packets will be the two IPSec gateways on either end, and it's trivial to set up tunneling IPSec gateways. Serious high-level conspiracy traffic (MJ-12, for example) will definitely be tunneling all their traffic through IPSec. And brute-forcing an AES-256 CBC with a SHA-1 AH just isn't possible with non-quantum computing.[1] 3) So now we're left with seventy-five trillion non-encrypted packets. Stuff like web, mail, FTP, etc. How do you deal with that much information? You either need a legion of log monkeys poring over every bit of traffic you get (a terrible job to hire for, since you need to find people with enough clue to understand what they're doing, but who don't have the ambition to use that knowledge to get a better job, which they would easily qualify for.), or one of the Holy Grails of network security, an intelligent log reduction and analysis program. The problem is twofold: being able to deal to quickly search through an insane (gigabytes at least, even up to terabytes if you're sniffing large-bandwidth pipes) amount of traffic, and being able to determine what constitutes "bad" or "interesting" traffic.[2] [1] See the DGML archives from last month for the last in-depth encryption discussion. [2] Come up with this product, and you've got a guaranteed successful business. Not kidding. - -- "Nothing's the same anymore." - Cmdr. Jeffrey Sinclair, Babylon-5, "Chrysalis" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7tLNZAmwSMwnpLHgRAsqsAKDIaxynsg0etd2efAfYehmlGWVdvACfakio xxby4HgIGSsmg7MxZnM+RS0= =vXNg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bomias1@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 2:54 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] A little help In a message dated 9/28/01 1:22:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ialdaloboth@hotmail.com writes: << (Now... where does it go from there?) >> Well, all this started when I needed a location for a member of Hastur's Secret Senate to hold a rave. I couldn't think of one. After reading what everyone has posted regarding this, I see where I have been going wrong. As with Night Floors, (oh yeah, almost forgot) S P O I L E R S P A C E The initial location need not be Victorian. It is only after Carcosa has started to get its foot in the door that the aesthetic starts to bloom, as with the Smoking Lounge and a few other manifestations in Night Floors. So, this is what I hit upon, cut and pasted from my scenario notes: "The dance is to be held at a '60's drive-in movie theater that is about to be demolished. The theme of the rave is a Victorian masque ball. Those in attendance are supposed to come in something approximating appropriate dress, and everyone who comes in without a mask is issued one at the door. The hand stamp is, of course, the yellow sign. Psychotrop's plan is to hold an event where the minds of all in attendance are opened to Carcosa. The combination of the rhythmic music, Tcho-Tcho ritual, and drug-induced trance will bring the dance-hall and Carcosa near to each other. This will initially manifest itself as a change in the quality of the sounds. It will start to sound as if the rave were being conducted in a large hall or cathedral. Next the night outside the immediate area will become indistinct and the stars will no longer be visible in the sky. After that, the asphalt tarmac will become ancient flagstones. The Pallid Dancers will become evident among the dancing throng. Next will come the rest of the Royal Cast. Lastly, the movie screen will fill with an image of the KIY himself dancing and swirling among the dancers on the dance floor, even though he is not actually there out on the floor itself. This will go on for quite while, until there is a short, sharp, shock as the world snaps back to normal. The dancers all reel and stumble as if there was an earthquake, and then everyone suffers from a sort of amnesia where they don't quite remember what has happened to them, or what they have done all night. Dawn will be inexplicable breaking over the theater, despite the fact that it was only about 2 or three AM just a few moments ago. For those outside the area of affect, they will see the entire area fade from view starting at about 1 AM. It will then reappear with a vengeance right after the sun comes up. For those agents attempting to disrupt the proceedings, the affects will vary depending on their previous exposure to the Vibe." This is a very rough and sketchy draft of what I will eventually present to my players. I intend to add more detail to the actual drive-in itself to capture that whole decaying and abandoned kitsch flavor. Incidentally, the scenario in question in a considerably augmented version of "Tribal Dance" from Demonground. The Thug Whisperer "Back off Man! I'm a scientist." _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 3:11 PM To: Dgrpg (E-mail) Subject: [DG] Gunfondlers Wet Dream http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,46570,00.html "In perhaps the most audacious upgrade of high-speed weaponry since the introduction of the Gatling Gun, Australian inventor Mike O'Dwyer has developed a machine gun that can fire bullets at a rate of 1 million rounds per minute. " _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 3:24 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Gunfondlers Wet Dream > developed a machine gun that can fire bullets at a > rate of 1 million rounds > per minute. " yeah! "claymore with a handle". i want a tracer version. festus __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jon Capps [jon@monster-net.com] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 3:33 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] The End of the Conspiracy? The MiB wrote: > I'm slowly rewriting large portions of EMERALD HAMMER (in my head only) > to incorporate the IMMINENT DOMAIN material. Has any EMERALD HAMMER work been done recently? The site's last update is listed as August 2000. Jon Capps. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of CelticHound [celtichound@foobox.net] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 3:26 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] A little help The Lizardus Rexus replied to D in Italy: > > Imagine Carcosa slowly seeping into a suburban model neighborhood - ennui > > and alienation among houses that all look exactly the same..... > > Ten thousand self-contained Carcosas, one in each living-room. > > Levittown! Oh yeah. Sorry, I can't buy that. From your first link (http://tigger.uic.edu/~pbhales/Levittown.html): "The raw quality of the landscape, too, didn't seem so awful to new renters and (a little later) owners, who knew that the trees and grass would quickly grow, and who understood the Levitt salesman's pitch promising opportunities to personalize the interior and exterior of your Levittown house. Life ran a contest, seeking the best-decorated Levittown house, and the winner was a rather startling red-themed Mandarin-Revival Sino-Asian extravaganza. Over time, Levittown houses changed character, as their occupants rose in status and in economic wealth, and as families expanded and community standards of innovation and growth trickled from the home-improvement seminars at the Community Center and later the High School, out into the Saturday projects and summer vacation plans of Levittown residents. "Over time, as well, the fabric of a community came into being, assembled and sewn together by individuals who remembered the urban neighborhoods of New York City, or the rural towns of Long Island, New Jersey, and elsewhere, from which they themselves had come. But this was an instant neighborhood without the heritage and residues of generations in the same place. So the institutions, formal and informal, had to be made, then modified with use." The phrases that stand out to me are "personalize the interior and exterior", "seminars at the Community Center", and "the fabric of a community came into being, assembled and sewn together by individuals". We're talking about people opening a major can of whoop-ass on Carcosa. That "rather startling red-themed Mandarin-Revival Sino-Asian extravaganza" is an extra-strength Elder Sign against Hastur for sure. In order to find Davide's ennui and alienation, I think you really ought to look at the more modern "communities". Places where "personalize" is anathema, but you can get the illusion of "custom" so long as you are willing to live *someone else's dream*. I might wager it's easier to find soulless materialism in the homeland of South Coast Plaza and Fashion Island (two of the many large shopping malls in the area). On the other hand, Mission Viejo, CA was once a division of Phillip Morris. And if you can't trust a tobacco company to do the right thing for people... (http://www.fastcompany.com/online/48/house.html) So what are the mythic effects of a large population that has to live according to the external standards of the Housing Association? -- CH Hush now, I'll give all you need to know and pre-live your dreams for you You're a good boy -- Queensryche, Screaming in Digital _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 4:04 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Interesting reading Greetings. As the shadows fall on the land, I drop my hard work on Messinian foraminifera and get some light reading to let the pressure unwind a bit (nothing on the tube but Bin Laden and Berlusconi). I'm currently reading something that looks very very promising - I'm just about 100 pages into it. Christopher Fowler Darkest Day Warner Books ISBN 0-7515-0765-2 Set in London, this is a horror masked as a police procedural. Serious Crimes Division Investigators Bryant & May are two NPCs waiting to happen, and the whole set up is really promising. From what I've seen so far I'd call it required reading for people interested in something offbeat involving PISCES. There's also a sequel of sorts, called "Soho Black". Worth checking out. Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 4:06 PM To: Delta Green Community (E-mail) Subject: [DG] Big Brother wants to protect you Here's an article on a proposed "National Identification Card" for US citizens where everybody would be required to carry the thing at all times: http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47073,00.html "Proponents in the United States and Great Britain have called for embedding biometric applications -- such as finger or face scans -- into the cards as an added security measure. In the States, such a proposal would necessitate fingerprinting millions of Americans and forming a national database that would link citizens' biometric data with their identifying information, criminal history,and whatever else law enforcement authorities deemed important to track." OBdg: Well, if you can't find DG application in there then you're in dire need of a stiff drink, my friend. Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 4:07 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] A little help > As with Night Floors, (oh yeah, almost forgot) S P O I L E R S P A C E Wonderful. Simply wonderful. Allow me to make a few humble suggestions: >Next the night outside the immediate area will become indistinct and the >stars will no longer be visible in the sky. Might I suggest having the drive-in lights adding a glow to the indistinctness as if there was a fog overhead. The glow becomes a bit brighter as time goes on and stars begin to show through it as black stars burning in a grey sky. >After that, the asphalt tarmac will become ancient flagstones. I've always loved the idea of the flagstones all being five-sided and fitted together perfectly to create a smooth ground. Only when a player mentions that that's impossible should there be a SAN roll for noticing the weird geometry. By way of the transformation, it would be nice to have the cracks in the decrepit drive-in cement growing and branching to form these tiles. >Lastly, the movie screen will fill with an image of the KIY >himself dancing and swirling among the dancers on the dance floor, even >though he is not actually there out on the floor itself. Beautiful. Especially if you mention things like, "On the screen you see the figure in yellow robes and yourself fix eyes for a moment as he whirls past." >For those outside the area of affect, they will see the entire area fade from >view starting at about 1 AM. It will then reappear with a vengeance right >after the sun comes up. What happens to people who walk into the area while it's gone? Perhaps instead of simply fading from view, it appears to shrink as the areas around it seem to somehow stretch to compensate until the areas around it come together and it is apparent that the drive-in that everybody remembers never really existed because the place where it would have been doesn't exist. Then, just after sunrise, it all springs back to normal. I'll be looking forward to seeing what else you do with this. I love the Hastur Mythos and I'll be using it in my game in a few months. Always looking for cool new Hastur toys. Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Lee Williams [lee@grizz.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 4:16 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Interesting reading /lurk OFF/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Davide Mana To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:03 PM Subject: [DG] Interesting reading > I'm currently reading something that looks very very promising - I'm just > about 100 pages into it. > > Christopher Fowler > Darkest Day > Warner Books > ISBN 0-7515-0765-2 > Yay! Christopher Fowler is indeed a very DG-esque writer, in fact most of his material has a place in any modern-day horror game set in the UK. One of his early efforts 'Roofworld' even has a cult of sorts living a parallel existence to normality on and around the rooftops of London. Definitely worth checking out as source material. Lee Williams ICQ 25628876 Associate Editor - DEMONGROUND: Reflections of a Darker Future http://www.demonground.org leewilliams@demonground.org /lurk ON/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of CelticHound [celtichound@foobox.net] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 4:16 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Music inspired scenarios Thug Whisperer has put up a couple inspired pieces recently - I loved the stereogram one - and it catalyzed something for me. Now, the whole rave/mythos connect thing isn't new, but what about scenarios inspired by songs? For a long time I've thought that "Love Bizarre" (a Prince song performed by Sheila E.) was a scenario waiting to happen. So Keepers, what would you do with this: A-B-A-B-C-D- The moon up above it shines on upon our skin Whispering words that scream of outrageous sin. We all want the stuff that's found in our wildest dreams It gets kinda rough in the back of our limousine. That's what we are we all want a love bizarre. That's what we are we all want a love bizarre. A strawberry mind a body that's built for two A kiss on the spine we do things we never do. Swallow the pride and joy of the ivory tower We'll dance on the roof make love on a bed of flower. That's what we are we all want a love bizarre. The moon up above it shines on upon our skin . . . That's what we are we all want a love bizarre. That's what we are we all want a love bizarre. . .. I might try playing the song (probably the acoustic guitar version) as background music while running the thing and see if anyone picks up on it. BTW, while doing a web search for the lyrics, these are a few of the pages that came up. It just goes to show... http://asylumeclectica.com/morbid/archives/morb698.htm http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2000/12/elliott2.htm http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa052200b.htm http://www.christinejeannettegater.com/veil-of-isis.lwp/veil-of-isis.h tm -- CH _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Til Eulenspiegel [til_e@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 4:21 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: IMMINENT DOMAIN -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Friday, 28 September 2001 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Man in Black" > From: Gatten, Marshall > > > >> And someone might come up with the idea of > >> reactivating this organisation, > >> ending its status of an illegal conspiracy. > [snip] > their bizarre theology would become clear. You'd require proof that > groups like the Karotechia, The Black Brotherhood, and the Cult of > Trancendance were working together. Gathering this intelligence > would be A-Cell's short term goal, every Cell and every Friendly > not engaged in active operations would be mobilized to obtain > it...somehow. It would be the largest Delta Green operation since > SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS. > Operation ALL-SEEING EYE +------------------------+ "Every Cell and every Friendly not engaged in active operations" might also have quite a time seeding the information making it appear groups like Karotechia, et. al, work together. One aspect of this would suit a political game best. DG's records include enough old data to damn lots of cults and occult fringies. Sanitizing this collection to make it usuable, palatable and legal would require a good deal of work. It might even make good role-playing. After DG identified most of the candidate material, updates would become quite important. If two-decade old data points to Joe Sorceror as an immortal cannibal devil-worshipper, you still need some fresh evidence to bring him to OHS attention. So the second stage involves Cells and Friendlies collecting new information. This allows DG an unparalleled recruitment opportunity, which of course is an excellent thing to role-play. (Sorry about the name. I would've called it Operation PANOPTICON, but I couldn't resist.) [snip] > Mythos Cults), and GRU-SV8 come in. It may be necessary to betray > Majestic to the Russians in exchange for access to their files. > This entails significant risk that will come back to haunt DG in > the very near future. > I don't follow your meaning here. What do you have in mind with "betray," and why would DG want access that badly? Other than confirming MAJESTIC's existence, what would DG tell GRU-SV8 that will interest them? Even then, would DG buy a pig in poke? GRU-SV8 won't let DG browse through the files beforehand. [snip] > scientists and techno-geeks. Watch "The West Wing" for details on > how the high-level portion might be accomplished. For those of us without access to television--mindraping tool of Satan that it is--what do you have in mind? > > The problems and obstacles to what I'm going to call OPERATION: > IMMINENT DOMAIN are many and varied. If a Cell goes cowboy and > creates some sort of Waco-esque debacle, it could easily shut > everything down, especially It needn't even reach such a scale. One person telling a little too much too soon might cause the whole conspiracy to unravel. For instance, if Agent FRANKLIN (7th Chemical) had the chance to turn State's Evidence, do you think he'd hesitate? This could also happen by mistake, absent of all bad intentions. Again, this makes for a good role-playing session. Imagine an FBI agent who knows a little too much and attracts a little official attention. Have your players play the DG-ignorant Internal Affairs PCs who investigate this person's strange claims. DG works to isolate the compromised people. Factions within MAJESTIC help, hinder, and misinform by turn. Various superiors tell the PCs to turn up the heat or lay off by turns. The PCs slowly descend into a world of claim, counter-claim, and conspiracy theory come to life. All of this occurs before the background of OHS's formation and the 11 Sep 01 tragedy. > in the early stages of intelligence gathering. Majestic will also > be jockeying for position. Gavin Ross and Adolph Lepus seem to see > the need Ideas on MAJESTIC's response to 11 Sep 01, anyone? [snip] > > In conclusion, the WTC attack provides Delta Green a huge > opportunity to [sycophantic tongue-to-boot spasming deleted] > delayed until well past 2030, if Pagan ever gets around to > publishing it at all... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBO7TpnyjXCkSehE2kEQKRIQCgxNy5u+KQq7Kjjau63wW4FRTwMacAoNdA JiUFmAjVppYCzaQXSkm9Rldc =X7gj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Graeme Price [graemep@immagene.mcg.edu] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 4:34 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Interesting reading Davide wrote: > Serious Crimes Division Investigators Bryant & May are two NPCs waiting to > happen, and the whole set up is really promising. Inspectors Bryant and May? Surely a match made in heaven. I bet they get along like a house on fire. Does one of them have a red head and the other a stick-like body? Strike a light. Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 7:33 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] tradecraft (warning--silly toiletfondling) From: "Davide Mana" > And we never touched on the issue of Japanese multipurpose equipment. > A toilet with a set of switches attached? Ohhhh yeah. [Dave smiles in pleasure.] Hey now, don't knock those heated, fan-equipped, built-in-bidet (with massage option), $2000 toilet seats until you've tried them. I've been known to walk blocks out of my way to make use of the public restrooms that have them (mostly in swanky hotels and office buildings, and some restaurants). There is *nothing* like a heated toilet seat in the middle of winter. Addictive. > Lights? > Music? Maybe! Some that I've used have tons of extra buttons, marked with kanji I can't read--and I'm too scared to press buttons at random when my ass is on the line. (And this one activates the cheese grater--AHHHHH!) Bizarrely, in the stall next to the $2000 miracle toilet, you'll probably find an oblong-bowl-in-the-floor "squat" toilet, of a design that hasn't significantly changed for a thousand years (other than adding running water). I would say these still outnumber Western-style "throne" toilets by at least 2 to 1 in the big cities. In the countryside, you can have a hard time finding a toilet you can sit down on. ObDG--nothing really. Sorry. Well, you can use it for background color when agents visit Japan. Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 9:33 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: DG: Day of Infamy (DG Fiction) (LONG) (was: Re: [DG] Re: IMMINENT DOMAIN) On 28 September 2001, "Til Eulenspiegel" asked: > Ideas on MAJESTIC's response to 11 Sep 01, anyone? Well, a sort of fantasy has been going through my head... (No, not that one -- another fantasy!) The tale recounted below is not meant as humor -- one of my best friends lost two of her relatives at the WTC and another at the Pentagon -- but as a possibility of how one member of MAJESTIC responded on 11 Sep 01. Day of Infamy 11 September 2001 Lepus already had a feeling it had been one of _those_ days, and, if anything, was going to get worse! The ride up in the elevator had seemed interminable. The office, about seventy stories up, had proven surprisingly difficult to find... And then the man he was supposed to have that "quiet talk" with, and obtain that file from, wasn't in! A few of the other office workers were in, but neither Dr. Forbin nor his secretary had yet arrived. One of the other office drones brightly suggested that Dr. Forbin was "running late", "should be in shortly", and invited Lepus to have a cup of coffee, which he of course declined. He didn't bother leafing through any of the company magazines he was offered -- he had little interest in the company reports of earnings and dividends this quarter, or even of what they were revealing of their approach to quantum computing... By nearly a quarter to nine, he had had time to come to a slow boil. Over in Asia, and elsewhere, Lepus had had the patience to sit in a hide and wait for his quarry to walk into his crosshairs... but, today, for some reason, he was impatient. It was as though something was telling him that he had better places to be than the World Trade Center! He realized that it was the same sort of danger sense -- the feeling something was _wrong_ -- that had saved his tail these many times he had hunted and been hunted... He considered leaving the building, but decided that perhaps he could quickly carry out his mission, _then_ leave! He was armed, and he could deal with any threat likely to come up within the confines of this office building! One of the office drones, seeming a little surprised Lepus was still present, informed him that "Sorry, but Dr. Forbin has just called in to say he won't be in the office this morning! His secretary isn't in yet, but perhaps you can leave a note on her desk, requesting a later appointment..." Enough was enough! Still "putting on hold" the voice in his head that was suggesting he leave the building, Lepus stepped into Dr. Forbin's outer office. No one escorted him, and he grinned at the poor security, and the opportunity it afforded. Taking a last look at the doorway -- nobody in sight! -- he walked over not to the vacant desk, but to the door of Dr. Forbin's office, and pulled on latex surgical gloves. Before he got out the lockpick set, he tried the door handle. To his surprise, it opened! He quietly opened it just enough to slip inside, closing it just as silently behind him. Talk about your lax security! said Lepus to himself. This jerk deserves to have all his secrets stolen... Too bad I only have time for one set of files today... He didn't need to turn on the lights, or use some high-tech low-light vision system -- the curtain was open, and enough sunlight was coming in, on this bright September morning, for his purposes. The huge window afforded a great view of New York, but he wasn't up here for the view! Lepus ignored the computer on the desk. He had been here once before, and knew something of Dr. Forbin's eccentricities. The man was a leader in quantum computing theory, and still kept many of his documents in hard-copy... in old-fashioned file folders... in a metal filing cabinet that looked old enough to have been at Roswell in '47! Yes, it was locked up -- even Forbin wasn't that stupid -- but Lepus' lockpicks made quick work of that. Dr. Forbin -- or most likely his secretary -- used a rational filing system, and it didn't take long to find the right folder. He was just getting started with the Minox camera when the office door opened. She was in her mid-twenties, with a face that showed her Arabic background, and not bad looking, her clothes not sexy but classically elegant. She actually was letting the door close behind her, when she saw Lepus. "Dr. Forbin! I thought you said --" Then she noticed that this wasn't her boss. By this time, Lepus had his weapon out. Today's sidearm wasn't a big-bore auto, or that alien-tech disintegrator he had occasionally toted. It was an LEI Mark 2, from Law Enforcement International, Ltd., in the UK. Built with an integral silencer, and a ten-round magazine, the pistol fired subsonic .22 LR. A small round, but deadly with proper shot placement, and Lepus was an expert pistol shot! "Scream and you're dead!" he hissed. Of course, she wasn't going to be leaving this office alive, but the hope that she might would keep her from screaming before he put a hollow-point round between her eyes. He had seen this sort of reaction before -- the wide eyes, the mouth moving, but no words coming out... He could almost feel her hope that, if she remained calm and didn't provoke him, that she might survive this experience. She was probably even mentally praying to a higher power that Lepus, of course, didn't accept -- any Diety that would be swayed by simple prayer was not something he accepted as having any power over him! He could hear the rumble of a jet about to overfly the tower. That should be more than enough to cover the slight sound of his weapon. And, then, suddenly, she did scream! Even as his finger began to tighten on the trigger, he got the feeling that something was terribly _wrong_! The rumble of jet engines grew to a surprising level, and, prompted by his danger sense, he turned just in time to see a nightmare vision -- a twin-engine airliner, nose-on, at point-blank range! He just had time to think "This can't happen to me!" when an orange flash and a terrible impact filled his universe, then took it away. Is this death? Was that priest right? Maybe I shouldn't have killed him? He didn't believe in the Devil any more than he did in God, but he began to wonder if there really was an afterlife, and this blackness was it. The gun in his hand, the office, the secretary, the airliner impossibly striking the building... all were gone now. All was darkness. Suddenly, he was standing in a circle of light, as if a spotlight had been turned on. And he was no longer alone. The man looked even more Arabic than Dr. Forbin's secretary had... And he looked familiar, somehow! He had just enough time to remember the MAJESTIC file -- sparse though it was -- on the FATE and its leader, before the man spoke. "It isn't your time yet, I regret to say, Mr. Lepus. You can still be of some use in your capacity with MAJESTIC. Do you want to live?" Numbly, Alzis nodded. The Arab's lips curved in a thin smile. "I thought so... Well, you'll live -- this time... But keep in mind, such things are not free!" "Oh?" For some reason, Lepus found himself wishing for Daniel Webster as legal counsel. "And your fee?" "It will be discussed later. This is going to be a busy day for me. Until we meet again, Mr. Lepus..." With the same suddenness as the plane crash, the same suddenness as the darkness and Alzis, Lepus was back in a more familiar world. It was a world gone mad, filled with sirens, screams, and running and shouting people. For a second, he wondered if Alzis had simply been the porter to Hell. If so, Hell looked a lot like the pavement of New York City. He was, incredibly, back on street level, standing a few blocks from the twin towers of the Trade Center, looking back towards them. Make that _tower_ -- singular -- as one of them had apparently collapsed while he was away -- wherever he had been "away" to -- and smoke and flames were pouring from the other one. People were running by him, a couple of them nearly running him down as he stood and watched Hell on Earth. And then the remaining tower seemed to begin to crumple. "It's going! Move! MOVE!" The woman who shoved him was wearing a turnout coat, hanging open over a blue Coast Guard uniform. Her hardhat was slightly askew over red hair that was starting to come out of a bun. Lepus actually noted details like the silver oak leaves on her collar, and the plastic nameplate that said MIDGETT, as he began to follow her example and run. With a hand at his back, she urged him on, shouting "MOVE!" He somehow got the feeling that she could probably run faster, but was deliberately not doing so as not to leave him behind. Behind them, he could hear a roar like that A-bomb explosion he'd witnessed, years ago, or like the explosion of Mt. St. Helens. She took a glance behind them, and, even through the roar, he was sure he could hear her say, "Dear God!" From her, it seemed more like a prayer than a curse. "DOWN!" She shoved him behind a panel truck parked at the side of the street, and landed on top of him, with an impact surprising for such a small person. He was about to say something appropriate, when the blast hit, and wind and swirling greyness engulfed them. Incredibly, they survived. As they got to their feet, Lepus noted another similarity to the aftermath of Mt. St. Helens. Dust and ash filled the air, and coated everything. He couldn't help but cough as it entered his nose and mouth. Probably concrete dust, ashes... He wondered if the building had included asbestos. "You all right, Sir?" asked Midgett, between coughs. He nodded, and she pointed the way that they had been running. "Aid station two blocks that way, Sir!" At another nod from him, she pulled a handkerchief from a pocket, tied it into a crude bandanna to afford some protection to nose and mouth. "Good luck, Sir!" she said, and began jogging again -- back the way they had come. Back towards the collapsed building. Lepus had no intention of playing hero today. Leave that for fools like her... He still needed to find Dr. Forbin, who would probably be in his apartment, glued to the TV set. If the news services handled this like the "Challenger", they'd be replaying the crash and the collapse of the towers over and over and over all day... He would think about his vision of Alzis, and his miraculous escape from certain death, later on. Too bad he'd lost his pistol... 12 September 2001 The wreckage was still smouldering, and the scenery looked like something out of a nightmare. New York's two tallest buildings were a giant tangle of debris, entombing unknown numbers of victims. Dust was still everywhere -- in the air, covering the ground like the grey ash from the St. Helens explosion. At least today Commander Ida Midgett, USCG officer and DG Friendly, was better equipped, with thick gloves, goggles, and respirator. She had word that her cutter would be out of drydock later today, and was being ordered to assist in port security patrol, so she would soon have to leave the search, rescue, and recovery effort. But her prayers would remain with these brave men and women, and with the victims and their families, and she hoped to soon see justice visited on the barbarians who would murder thousands like this! Then she saw it, amid the wreckage. Another might have taken it for simply an odd-looking item of debris, but Ida recognized it as an LEI Mk 2 silenced pistol. What was it doing in the middle of the WTC wreckage? She called to the NYPD cop nearby. "Ed! I think I've found something!" The pistol would figure prominently in the report she would send in to Delta Green. Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jim Clunie [jim_clunie@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 2:55 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Gunfondlers Wet Dream >From: "Rayburn, Russell E." > >"In perhaps the most audacious upgrade of high-speed weaponry since the >introduction of the Gatling Gun, Australian inventor Mike O'Dwyer has >developed a machine gun that can fire bullets at a rate of 1 million rounds >per minute. " > "O'Dwyer has also adapted the technology for a police revolver. The all-electronic handgun uses the technology to ensure the gun can only to be fired if its user is wearing a special ring that emits an electronic signal." "In addition, the gun can fire both lethal and non-lethal projectiles. But so far, no police forces have stepped up to buy them. " Joe Dredd's Lawgiver? Jim C _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David A. Farnell [1639556911@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 12:58 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Splinter list: DGTradecraft From: "Christopher (Case Officer)" > I'm too swamped to follow the new list, but if anything comes out of it I'll > be glad to take a look at it for the website. (Which WILL get updated with > a few new items in the next couple of days. Oh, yes... It will.) And it's nice to see that there *is* an alternative to Yahoo Groups--I had feared that Yahoo had gobbled up all the free list-host services. Have to check that out Topica myself... I'm also too swamped to join another list at the moment, but good luck to the Tradecrafteers! Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 1:11 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Multi User Dungeon I'm curious if any work/word has been said/done on a CoC or DG or just plain ol' HPL inspired MUD? *waits for the check the Ice Cave for this thread response* *ouch* _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Hans-Christian Vortisch [greytiga@zedat.fu-berlin.de] Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 2:30 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Gunfondlers Wet Dream > "O'Dwyer has also adapted the technology for a police revolver. The > all-electronic handgun uses the technology to ensure the gun can only to be > fired if its user is wearing a special ring that emits an electronic > signal." Actually, its not a revolver, but a pistol. It is called the VLE SmartGun, has four barrels in parallel and is not expect to enter service before 2004. The ring system is definitely out, they are now working with a palmprint or biometrics sensor. > > "In addition, the gun can fire both lethal and non-lethal projectiles. But > so far, no police forces have stepped up to buy them. " > > Joe Dredd's Lawgiver? > Very good analogy. They even want to make it say "Armed", "Stun" etc. Seriously! Cheers HANS _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Pullen [david.pullen3@virgin.net] Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 3:03 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Multi User Dungeon ----- Original Message ----- From: "talaphid" > I'm curious if any work/word has been said/done on a CoC or DG or just plain > ol' HPL inspired MUD? > > *waits for the check the Ice Cave for this thread response* > > *ouch* > There's a Cthulhu MUD at http://195.34.155.132/ It's not DG, but it's the best one (possibly only one) out there. I used to use it before my ISP got silly and started throwing me off every 2 hours. I had a character who was a Mi-Go brain hunter. Great fun but it really could use some more players IMO. Just make sure you don't go to Yuggoth disguised as a human. You'll need to install a mud client but there's a link to a good one on the site. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/