From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:26 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] (OT) Unseen Masters wins Award : ) (from the most recent chaosium digest) Unseen Masters Honors! UNSEEN MASTERS, CHA 2384 $23.95, a Call of Cthulhu supplement published by Chaosium Inc., has earned author Dr. Bruce Ballon the 2001 Mary Seeman Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Area of Psychiatry and Humanities. The Mary Seeman Award is given for outstanding achievement for papers, programs or work that focus on Psychiatry and the Humanities. It is presented by the University of Toronto. Although there were numerous papers submitted for the award, UNSEEN MASTERS blew them all away. Dr. Ron Ruskin, Chairman of the Award Committee stated "An amazing work. It is prodigious, highly creative and extremely original. It was the best of a number of wonderful papers submitted this year." UNSEEN MASTERS is the first horror fiction or RPG book to ever receive an award from a World Health Organization Centre of Excellence and top international Psychiatry . The book has been given the stamp of academic acceptance and recognition in the medical world. Additionally, UNSEEN MASTERS has currently nineteen recommendations for consideration of a Bram Stoker Award from the Horror Writer's Association. This is the largest number of recommendations any RPG book has been given in the HWA. Read more about Unseen Masters at: http://www.chaosium.com/cthulhu/rpg/2384.shtml Read about the award at: http://www.chaosium.com/cthulhu/rpg/unseenaward.shtml (Way to go, Bruce!) : ) J. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 11:33 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: [DG] Ewww! Spiders! I've been pondering ways to give players a glimpse of the Dreamlands without actually letting them go there. Basically a small tease and a way to show them that there is more unexplained out there than they can imagine. I've come up with the following and would love to know what people think of it - ways to improve it, ways to add to it. Atlach-Nacha doesn't have any "official" cult, but who's to say that there aren't any small groups worshipping her? A clothing company called "Spider Silks" makes very nice silken polo shirts. The logo is a small white spider on the left breast. Despite some urban-legend type rumors, the shirts aren't made from real spider silk - it's regular silk fabric, but really quite nice and somewhat expensive. The style has been seen worn by some of the hottest trend-setters and is becoming quite the sensation. A lot like the "Alligator" shirts back in the early eighties, but with more class. Spider Silks is actually a front and money making operation for a group of Atlach-Nacha cultists. The members of the cult wear the shirts made by their company - thiers are burgundy shirts and the logo is black instead of white. Any attempt by a non-member to buy a burgundy shirt and/or one with a black spider logo is met with a standard "We've discontinued that style" line. Only members of the cult can get these. In the cultist religious gatherings, all the members including the high priest stand completely nude, covered in a special oil described later, in a circle around an inverted basket attached to a rope going over a pulley to the high priest. After much group chanting ("Ia! Ia! Atlach-Nacha! Ia! Ia! Atlach-Nacha!") and frenzied dancing, the priest pulls the rope freeing hundreds of spiders that were under the basket. These very special spiders were provided by Atlach-Nacha herself just for this ceremony which is repeated monthly by the cult. The special venom of the spiders causes one bitten by enough of them to fall unconscious and find themselves on the plateau of Leng in the Dreamlands where they confront the Spiders of Leng. In evidence of the "Holiness" of this sacrifice, the spiders always seem to all go to the same victim as if they have been chosen by a higher power. This is the ultimate thrill for one of these cultists and they will be shrilly ecstatic as the spiders swarm over them, biting and biting and biting. In the meantime, once the spiders have made their choice apparent, the rest of the (slightly disappointed but still enthusiastic) cultists change the tone of their ritual. They begin to chant the Ba-Kroth Ritual which opens a window to the Dreamlands through which they can watch as the Chosen appears on the plateau and is greeted by Atlach-Nacha. They watch as the Spiders of Leng carry off the ecstatic Chosen One to unknown destiny. The window is then closed and the ritual complete. The cultists (except for the high priest) are unaware of the true fate of the Chosen One: They are fed by the Spiders of Leng to Atlach-Nacha to help her in the building of the web-bridge across the bottomless chasm. The ritual above is performed in a sealed room and the spiders are carefully regathered after each time to wait for the next ritual next month. In the meantime, the spiders are given the dead body of the Chosen sacrifice to live on. They are incredibly voracious, and by the time the next ritual comes along the body is completely devoured by them and all evidence gone. The participants in the ritual oil themselves with a special oil given to them by the high priest. The purpose of the oil is to attract the spiders thereby improving the chance of being chosen. Unbeknownst to any but the high priest, he really gives them all a spider-repellant oil except for the one that the priest has decided will be this month's Chosen. That one gets the real attractant oil. The priest uses this ploy to get rid of whoever is bothering him most this month. Another thing unknown to the cultists is that Atlach-Nacha returns the favor of the sacrifice by granting spells and POW to the high priest. Because of this, he has become quite the powerful sorcerer. He knows, though, that if the sacrifices ever cease then he will be chosen next and will not stand a chance against Atlach-Nacha. He is as trapped in this as the cultists that he draws in for the sacrifices. I haven't yet created the NPC sheet for the high priest, but he'll be One Not To Be Messed With. Any thoughts? (And if ya like it, feel free to steal it.) Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 1:33 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Multi User Dungeon > > I'm curious if any work/word has been said/done on a CoC or DG or just plain > > ol' HPL inspired MUD? > > IIRC, there is/was a CoC-based MUSH called "Barbary Coast" set in 1890's San > Skotos Tech holds a license from Chaosium for "Lovecraft Country", and > As for DG-based games, I am unaware of any. If you come across one, by all > means let us know. Well, I looked around mudconnector.com with little to no success, although my search would hardly qualify as thorough. A friend of mine revitalized my interest in MUDing, and I thought, eh! DG! Eh! > > *waits for the check the Ice Cave for this thread response* > While this is certainly always worthwhile advice, this is one particular My putting that in there was more to soften the blow then to belittle the reasonable attack. =) Now, quoting the other email on this topic: > You'll need to install a mud client but there's a link to a good one on the > site. Unless that's referring to a mud specific proprietary client, I thought that was SOP. --- And now, to go on with why I asked. I have sort of designed my own MUD client (not production quality, mind you, but it gives me room to do everything I want in a client!), and I've tooled around with MUD design before. I was curious about the such a MUD to play on (would be kinda neat, as like an uber tool for Keepers..?), and or develop. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of andrew john farrow [andrew.j.farrow@btinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 2:03 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: Star tracks "Andy Robertson wrote:- > > http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=6147 > > > Strange trail suggests presence of galactic interloper > > Probably not Ghoroth: but this track is suggestive. I wonder what things > lurk, dim and nearly invisible, in the dark voids between the stars. > > OTOH , a most definite grothian interloper . Or worse YIKES! is http://www.planetx2003.f2s.com/ the milage availiable from the entire nibiru , planet X , annunaki screed is incredible Yours- AJ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 2:02 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: IMMINENT DOMAIN From: Til Eulenspiegel > _Access to their library of Mythos tomes_ > DG values compartmentalization way too much to chase this down in >any organized fashion. Individual cells are a different matter, of >course. > > _Intelligence Sharing_ > What? Compartmentalization, again. DG has no big fat book to pass >its own members, much less pass to foreign powers. > > _Inside Track into Russia and the CIS_ > Who cares? Until a crisis hits, this doesn't matter. 11 Sep 01 >might serve as just cause, but YMMV. These concerns might be valid in 1994-2000, but in the IMMINENT DOMAIN world of the 21st CEntury, it's all about expanding the mission statement to include officialdom once again. Intelligence Sharing, access to tomes and GRU files, and not sitting around waiting for the next crisis to develop are all vital to this New World Order. The problem with exposing Majestic to GRU-SV8 is that it endangers the reform efforts of Gavin Ross. There are no right answers in such a situation, just consequences to live with. Compartmentalization in an illegal cowboy organization hunted by Majestic is different from compartmentalization in the PSYOPS arm of the Office of Homeland Security. With tons of taxpayer dollars it becomes possible to have tome study groups, cult analysis groups, and any number of non-field personel who's sanity loss can be mitigated by keeping them out of the field. The cells of an illegal conspiracy have to bootstrap themselves, doing all these things by themselves. ALPHONSE's obsession with compartmentalization is an effort to be miserly with his Agent's sanity. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nick Brownlow [stabernide@netscape.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 2:44 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Ewww! Spiders! Nice idea - just a few comments. <> I think there was a group of Tcho-Tcho in an old Chaosium adventure that did just that - so there is a precedent for what you're suggesting. <> You wouldn't be talking about the LaCoste label here, would you (BTW - that's a crococile, not an alligator;))? The name 'Spider Silks' doesn't really strike me as a fashion friendly sort of label. Perhaps something like 'Tarantula' or 'Redback' or something? Or even 'Nacha'? Also, to be taken seriously enough to be a 'sensation' in the fickle world of fashion, you need a heavy duty 'name' designer behind the label - perhaps the high priest himself, or perhaps an unwitting innocent hired to front the company. He's probably going to be French, Italian, or maybe even British, allowing you to work in a euro-trash bad guy. Also, if this is a hot label, then their HQ is going to be in either New York, Los Angeles or abroad. The cult itself would likely be composed of models, agents, photographers, publicists, and assorted other scum for whom coke and underage sex no longer float their boat. A nice hook for DG might be the 'Spider man' tale of terror from an early Unspeakable Oath - possibly even one of the online ones. Perhaps this guy was the company's sales manager? <> I'd have Atlach-Nacha be fairly indifferent to the sacrifices, myself. All she's interested in is spinning her web - if someone decides to leave her a snack, then that's fine - but she doesn't need to solicit for it. Perhaps the real villain of the piece is the high priest of the Leng Spiders in the Dreamlands. He's the one that's provided the spawn of Atlach-Nacha for the sacrifice, and he's the one who insists that the human priest keeps sending them over - or else. You could have a lot of fun thinking about 'spider politics' to explain exactly 'why'... regards, Nick __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nick Brownlow [stabernide@netscape.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:11 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Interesting reading <> >>Kind of. Bryant and May (heh) crop up in it, but the story doesn't really follow on from Darkest Day much.<< >Pity. >I'm really getting a kick out of Darkest Day. Hey - I didn't say it wasn't any good.... cheers, Nick __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 6:01 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Ewww! Spiders! Ewww! Spiders!----- Original Message ----- From: Gatten, Marshall >> Atlach-Nacha doesn't have any "official" cult, but who's to say that there >> aren't any small groups worshipping her? >> A clothing company called "Spider Silks" makes very nice silken >>polo shirts. The logo is a small white spider on the left breast. Nice, but a bit - obvious? The unknowing victim and all that. Suppose, per contra, it really is spider silk. Now, what can we do with spider silk? Remarkable substance. Stronger than kevlar, as I'm sure we all know. But it is so responsive, so smooth, so sensuous - it almost seems like the shirts made of it know what you are thinking. Suppose this actually is the silk of the Spider God, or of its fleshly avatars. These spiders have evolved (or have been mythos-gifted) with a special trick: Though they are not intelligent themselves, they can construct an external nervous system out of their own special silk, spinning it like a web up to the size they need, in short order. The spiders are not intelligent: but the web they make (or the shirt woven from it under special conditions) is. In fact the *web* is a made-to-measure avatar of the Spider God. How about that? The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of CelticHound [celtichound@foobox.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:15 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] DG has access to a new jet? >From the Los Angeles Times last Sunday: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-000078275sep30.story Supervisors Question Baca's Purchase of Jet Budget: Board members say they weren't told of the sheriff's $2.4-million plane until after it was bought. By NICHOLAS RICCARDI, TIMES STAFF WRITER Los Angeles County supervisors are questioning a decision by the Sheriff's Department to purchase a $2.4-million airplane at the same time the agency says it does not have enough money to ensure adequate medical care for jail inmates. The 10-seat turboprop is a replacement for an aging Cessna that has been used by the department for years to ferry investigators to remote state prisons, witnesses and suspects to Los Angeles, and the sheriff and other department officials to the state Capitol. The new plane costs about $383 per hour to operate, according to the agency. Sheriff Lee Baca defended the purchase, saying the department saves time and money by using its own plane instead of commercial airlines. He invited supervisors and other county officials to take advantage of the plane. "I think the taxpayers should consider this a good decision," Baca said. "I want my investigators, myself and my executives who have important business to be able to go somewhere, do what they need to do . . . [return quickly] and get on with their work." [snip] Like the Sheriff's Department, the Los Angeles Police Department has a King Air turboprop plane it uses to fly investigators to prisons and, on rare occasions, to ferry brass to meetings, said Sgt. John Pasquariello. He said the LAPD paid nothing for the plane--it was donated several years ago by the military as surplus. *********** BTW, I noticed this morning that the signs for the Air Force Base were visible again. I guess we're getting over the 'skeer'. -- CH _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 11:08 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Ewww! Spiders! >I think there was a group of Tcho-Tcho in an old Chaosium adventure that >did just that - so there is a precedent for what you're suggesting. Excellent. >You wouldn't be talking about the LaCoste label here, would you (BTW - >that's a crococile, not an alligator;))? Yeah, well being twelve years old at the time I wasn't yet into the preppie thing. ;) >The name 'Spider Silks' Perhaps something like 'Nacha'? Perfect! 'Nacha' has that feeling of Spain mixed with Italian attitude. Thanks. >you need a heavy duty 'name' designer behind the label - perhaps the high >priest himself, I can see it now: High Priest Ralph Lauren Good idea, though. Perhaps it's actually a high priestess. A real sleazy Euroslut fashion model turned designer. >then their HQ is going to be in either New York, Los Angeles or abroad. I was actually considering connections to Club Apocalypse. It has the trendy setting and rich clientele to pull it off. It also has the right connections, on both sides of the supernatural fence. It might be too obvious, though. Haven't decided yet. >The cult itself would likely be composed of models, agents, photographers, >publicists, and assorted other scum for whom coke and underage sex no longer >float their boat. Recruitment to the actual cult will have to focus on getting at least one person a month people unlikely to be missed. At first I was thinking that the whole group would be made up of nobodies trying to get in with the hip crowd. But now I'm thinking of how creepy it would be if most of the cultists were actually high-profile models and industry professionals who are privy to the secret that each month the Chosen One is a nobody trying to get in on their scene. If a cultist has a particular fan that has grown annoying by stalking or otherwise harassing them, they might warm up to the fan and invite them to a "special gathering of friends". Being surrounded by the naked Beautiful People will go a long ways to making them feel like they want to be part of this group. >A nice hook for DG might be the 'Spider man' tale of terror from an early >Unspeakable Oath - possibly even one of the online ones. Perhaps this guy >was the company's sales manager? Thanks. I looked that up, along with some tomes stuff in the same issue and got an idea: One of the tomes in that issue contained a spell for enchanting an item - a needle used to tattoo a spider on the breast. Perfect! Members of the cult, perhaps, have a tattoo of the spider logo on their breast right under where the shirt logo hangs. This, of course, is airbrushed out in most of their photo work, but it makes it so that somebody would have to commit themselves to successfully infiltrate one of their monthly rituals. >Perhaps the real villain of the piece is the high priest of the Leng Spiders in >the Dreamlands. He's the one that's provided the spawn of Atlach-Nacha for the >sacrifice, and he's the one who insists that the human priest keeps sending them >over - or else. I like this a lot. Atlach Nacha doesn't pay much attention to the human cult here, but perhaps demands sacrifices from her minions on the Plateau of Leng. One of those minions, a high priest himself among the spiders of Leng, has struck this deal with the wizard so that he can provide an unusual kind of sacrifice to Atlach-Nacha thereby hopefully gaining her notice and her favor. Thanks for the thoughts. Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Olle Jonsson [a97olljo@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 2:59 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Ewww! Spiders! RE: [DG] Ewww! Spiders![snip wonderful fashion spider cult concept] The name "Atlach-Nacha" almost seemed like an acronym for the famous singer Natacha Atlas... weave her into it, please. And check out those enormous eyelashes she coats with make-up. http://www.mantrarecordings.com/artists/natacha_atlas/index.htm - Olle _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:04 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG has access to a new jet? On 2 October 2001, "CelticHound" wrote: >From the Los Angeles Times last Sunday: > >http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-000078275sep30.story > >Supervisors Question Baca's Purchase of Jet > >Budget: Board members say they weren't told of the sheriff's >$2.4-million plane until after it was bought. Well, this aircraft, a Beechcraft King Air, is only a "jet" in the writings of reporters who don't know any better, and in the sense of using gas turbine engines! It is a turboprop -- a pressurized twin-engine design developed by Beech (now Raytheon) corporation as an executive transport. >From all I've heard about it, the King Air is a good plane. If the department must have an aircraft with its passenger capabilities, it is a decent choice. (Of course, there is the matter of spending priorities mentioned in the news story...) I wonder how DG can get access to it? >[snip] > >Like the Sheriff's Department, the Los Angeles Police Department has a >King Air turboprop plane it uses to fly investigators to prisons and, >on rare occasions, to ferry brass to meetings, said Sgt. John >Pasquariello. He said the LAPD paid nothing for the plane--it was >donated several years ago by the military as surplus. Most likely, it was a C-12 Huron (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c-12/htm), the military version of the King Air. BTW (War Story Alert!), I handled some tech support concerning a Pale Puppy "Vampire" game (in which I was _not_ a player) which involved a King Air, a couple of years ago. I gave the GM (or whatever you call him in VTM) some technical data on the plane, and wrote a news release and a couple of intercepted communications. After sunset (of course), several of the PCs and an NPC pilot flew from Yeager Airport, in Charleston, down to the Bermuda Triangle, where they were attacked by ghost Japanese Zeroes. (No, I had no part in this -- it wasn't what I had been consulted about...) One of the PCs cast a spell which caused the plane to disappear from about them (OOPS!), while they were still a few thousand feet up... with predictable results! Body count (so to speak) as high as in many DG missions! Lotsa folks had to come up with new characters...:) The folks whose characters weren't along on this little flight to oblivion simply knew that most of the movers and shakers among the Vamps in the Kanawha Valley had flown off and vanished. Byzantine political backstabbing ensued, to a degree I have rarely seen outside of the local SCA Barony (I've gathered that VTM is a mainly political game)! To this I contributed my news article, about how the King Air had reappeared, the next morning, flying north towards Yeager, had not acknowledged the tower's calls, had lined up with the runway, and landed on autopilot -- completely empty! (I will admit that I was slightly distorting things for dramatic purposes... the autopilot on some King Airs has autoland capability, but it cannot activate this itself inflight, and, after landing, cannot put the props into reverse pitch or apply the wheel brakes! But it sounded nice!):) The first intercepted communication that a character with odd contacts got hold of indicated that government agents of something called MAJESTIC (which few of the players, much less their characters recognized the name of) had taken possession of the plane, and were flying it out to Area 51 for further examination... (This led to a manhunt, by humorless men in black sunglasses and suits, over the next several sessions for one of the surviving PCs, who was sought as a "material witness"!) The second was a personal message from a Coast Guard officer commanding a cutter in the area where the plane disappeared, relating how, while trying out some new FLIR equipment, she and her crew had sighted a King Air (which showed up on radar) being attacked by some Zeroes (which didn't). Abruptly, the planes all vanished, and several objects were observed to fall into the water. The cutter proceeded to the site, and recovered one victim, and a black attache case. The victim was given CPR, on the cutter's deck, but strangely evaporated when the sun came up. The case proved to contain a folded-up black opera cape, a copy of "Interview With a Vampire", and a Pale Puppy Catalog!:) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of CelticHound [celtichound@foobox.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:52 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG has access to a new jet? Michael Layne wrote: > Well, this aircraft, a Beechcraft King Air, is only a "jet" in the > writings of reporters who don't know any better, and in the sense of using > gas turbine engines! It is a turboprop [snip] They even say that in the story, though they used "jet" in the title line, so I just kept that word. (I just quote these pieces.) > I wonder how DG can get access to it? (Assuming you aren't already surfeit with schemes to coopt this plane.) Well, I was thinking of this bit from the original article "Sheriff Lee Baca defended the purchase, saying the department saves time and money by using its own plane instead of commercial airlines. He invited supervisors and other county officials to take advantage of the plane." Who says that all agents and friendlies have to be feds in their day jobs? How about inviting a County Assessor to a Night at the Opera? Will the Sherriff say "no" to someone who might audit him? Anyway time to be patriotic and drink some tea. -- CH I love the smell of tea in the morning. You know, one time we had this excellent Assam. It poured red in the cup and turned a wonderful red gold when mixed with milk. And the fragrance - it smelled like . . . victory. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:49 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Ewww! Spiders! >The name "Atlach-Nacha" almost seemed like an acronym for the famous singer >Natacha Atlas... weave her into it, please. And check out those enormous >eyelashes she coats with make-up. > http://www.mantrarecordings.com/artists/natacha_atlas/index.htm The music video available on her website would make interesting background music during parts of a scenario around the cult. Her biography is interesting too - With Egyptian ancestry, speaking fluent English, French and Arabic, and with song titles like "Amulet", I mean what better musician NPC could you ask for? Plus, she's worked with several American artists and is popular in France as well as Italy, Belgium, England, and Egypt. Serious world traveler. How come I've never heard of her? Oh well. She sounds like the ideal person to start the trend in popularizing the "Nacha" line. I can see the marketing slogans already - "Natasha Needs Nacha". She'd likely be unaware of the true nature of the "company". They pay her money, she wears their stuff. They probably sponsor some of her concerts. Signs at the concerts with nothing more than the white spider logo on a maroon background. Thanks for the pointer. M From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jessthecatasc@eircom.net Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:29 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] deep Ones running the UN I don't know whose seen the fellow Ireland sent for our bit on the UN security council, Brian Cowen, but if you can find an image, you'll understand the subject title (perhaps thats the reason there's no pictures). Add the usual lack of scruples inheirant in all not-insane politicians, and voila! Fomor a la Innsmouth. Enjoy! - The Nuge _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:19 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] deep Ones running the UN ----- Original Message ----- From: > I don't know whose seen the fellow Ireland sent for our bit on the UN security council, Brian Cowen, but if you can find an image, you'll understand the subject title (perhaps thats the reason there's no pictures It's true. I looked at the picture at http://www.irlgov.ie/iveagh/aboutus/biographies/cowens.html for about 5 minutes and he didn't blink once. Prior to his present post he was the Minister for Health and Children. Children Mandrake! Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:30 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG has access to a new jet? ----- Original Message ----- From: "CelticHound" > (Assuming you aren't already surfeit with schemes to coopt this > plane.) Well, I was thinking of this bit from the original article > "Sheriff Lee Baca defended the purchase, saying the department saves > time and money by using its own plane instead of commercial airlines. Lee Baca had a long strange trip to his present post. He was considered an outsider to the county political establishment. The incumbent, Sherman Block, died four days before the elections and his supporters continued to campaign. An election victory for a deceased candidate would place the appointment of a new Sheriff in the hands of the County Board of Supervisors. County Supervisors were not supportive of Baca's candidacy. Baca won the election, however, with more than 60 percent of the vote. With the legendary rivalry between the LA County Sheriffs and the LAPD, I expect we'll be reading about a new LAPD jet any day now. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Don Fougere [bolide@mars.ark.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 11:49 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] OT - Anyone in San Diego Area? Hi all, If there are any DG types in the area, I'll be visiting for about two weeks, wouldn't mind talking shop over coffee or kibitzing in a game if possible. Cheers, Don Fougere Image Sleuth - Analytical Imaging Solutions Lazo, B.C. bolide@mars.ark.com From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 11:56 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Quantum teleportation yada nada >From the Nature magazine site: Trillion-atom triumph Physicists take first step towards practical teleportation. http://www.nature.com/nsu/010927/010927-11.html For the first time physicists have forged quantum entanglement between two large blobs of gas. The achievement brings closer the possibility of super-fast quantum computers and teleportation. Eugene Polzik and his co-workers at the University of Aarhus in Denmark have entangled about a million million caesium atoms. Four was the previous record. "This work should pave the way for a new generation of experiments to teleport states of matter," says Ignacio Cirac, a quantum physicist at Austria's University of Innsbruck. Teleportation will not involve the wholesale deconstruction and reconstruction of humans, Star Trek-style. It should allow the arrangement of one set of quantum particles to reproduce more or less instantly that of a similar collection of distant particles. In this way a message encoded in photons of light could be transmitted from one place to another without sending the photons across the intervening space. Entanglement also underpins attempts to perform high-speed quantum computing. It is a property without any analogue in the everyday world. Quantum particles such as atoms or photons can exist in distinct states, like the head or tail of a coin. Such particles can also exist in a superposition - in both states at once - comparable to a coin spinning in the air before it lands. If we toss two coins at once, their outcomes are independent: if one is heads, the other could be heads or tails. Two entangled quantum particles, by contrast, have interdependent fates: if one is in a 'heads' state, for instance, the other must be in a 'tails' state. Maintaining this kind of superposition is very difficult and for any practical applications, entanglement has to embrace thousands, or even millions, of particles. How can something so sensitive be sustained? Polzik and colleagues forgo full entanglement, where the state of each particle depends on the state of every other particle. Instead, they generate two loosely entangled clouds of caesium gas, one with slightly more atoms in a 'heads' state and the other with slightly more in a 'tails' state. (These two states are actually defined by the directions of the atoms' magnetic fields.) The interdependence of these clouds is more resilient to measurements or interactions that alter the quantum states of just a few of the constituent atoms. It would be impossible to maintain full entanglement of this many atoms for longer than a million-billionth of a second. Polzik's team can keep their two clouds in a oose entanglement for half a millisecond. They hope to maintain it for longer in the future, and perhaps to achieve the same thing in the solid samples needed for making quantum computers. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nick Brownlow [stabernide@netscape.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 2:34 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Ewww! Spiders! >The name "Atlach-Nacha" almost seemed like an acronym for the famous singer >Natacha Atlas... weave her into it, please. And check out those enormous >eyelashes she coats with make-up. > http://www.mantrarecordings.com/artists/natacha_atlas/index.htm Wierd. I actually saw Natacha perform a few years ago when she was with Transglobal Underground at Moseley Dance Centre in Birmingham. Good night. Didn't seem like a mythos worshipper, but what do I know? cheers, Nick __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord [wardjr@aston.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 3:08 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG has access to a new jet? On a computer, far, far away, CelticHound wrote: > Like the Sheriff's Department, the Los Angeles Police Department has a > King Air turboprop plane Cooo. I worked on some software for the Beechcraft King Air turboprop. A noise reduction system - lots of fun. ObDG - Urmm, none? Jon -- Jonathan Ward || "Strange, the transfers stopped after about 30,000." School of Engineering || "After 32767?" Aston University || "Oh. Yeah." *click* j.r.ward@aston.ac.uk || [Real conversation at a previous place of work] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 6:45 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Ewww! Spiders! "The spider web design tattoo is often found on the arms or under the arms of racists who have spent time in jail. In some places, one apparently "earns" this tattoo by killing a minority. However, non-extremists may sometimes sport this tattoo as well, unaware of its other symbology, simply because they like the design." http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/tattoo_spider.html The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 6:50 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Ewww! Spiders! From: Gatten, Marshall >>The name 'Spider Silks' Perhaps something like 'Nacha'? > >Perfect! 'Nacha' has that feeling of Spain mixed with Italian attitude. >Thanks. I'm thinking that's much too blatant. Try Nasca... I'm currently working on a spiffy white on maroon graphic of the Nasca Spider for the logo of this group. Until further notice, those lines in the sand lead to Leng... or other Dreamlands locations... The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bomias1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:21 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] A little help In a message dated 9/28/01 5:09:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, marshall@fusionone.com writes: << I'll be looking forward to seeing what else you do with this. I love the Hastur Mythos and I'll be using it in my game in a few months. Always looking for cool new Hastur toys. >> Sorry it took me a week to reply, but my connection ate itself. I am still working on that scenario, so I have nothing to show as of yet. However, since this whole thing seems to have been well recieved, I will throw this out for public consumption. S P O I L E R S P A C E Countdown lists several Manifestations, which it describes as "staged scenes of eerie events". These are meant to be loosed on the players once you have woven the Themes into your game. They all have an optional component to be used when you are about to spring an entire Hastur-related scenario upon them. They are meant to be used in conjuction with "a type of scene common to a Delta Green campaign". Listed in Countdown are things such as An Interrogation, A Drive, A Shootout, etc. You get the picture. Here is one that I wrote. You will notice that there is no mention of an "optional component". This is because it was written for a specific scenario that is to be followed up by a Hastur-themed scenario. The scene begins when the agent (or agents) are observing the autopsy of a corpse that presents a likely biohazard. Everyone in the room, including the agent, is wearing containment suits. An Autopsy The agent will be standing there watching the body cut open. Everyone is in containment gear. As he is concentrating on the body, he realizes that his surroundings have changed. The body is now being autopsied on a old slate dissecting table. It is surrounded by several doctors now dressed in voluminous yellow smocks that have been stained with blood. Besides being stained with blood, the smocks appear old and dirty; mildew is clearly visible stippling the fabric and there are other stains darkly streaking the smocks. The doctors faces are hidden behind their surgical masks. Beside the autopsy table is a smaller table with an instrument tray on it. There are all manner of instruments on it, most caked with gore, as is the pan. The agent finds that he cannot turn his head or blink his eyes; in fact, he appears to be completely paralyzed. Also, his view of the room is a bit bleary, as if the faceplate on his containment hood were oily. His vantage point appears to be from the foot-end of the body, about five or six feet away and to the left, and a bit high up, as if he were standing on a stool. He can see the two opposite walls clearly but can only see the other two obliquely, as if he were near the corner. The room that they are in is covered with white ceramic tiles on both the floor and the walls, and is illuminated by gaslights. There are louver windows at the top of one wall, but it appears to be night outside. There are dark, heavy, wooden doors set in both walls opposite him, and the outline of a door is barely visible set in the wall to the agent's right. As he watches, the doctors work feverishly to dismember and disassemble the corpse. They toss organs into specimen jars filled with amber fluid that sit on the floor about the operating theater. The door in the periphery of the agents vision to the right opens. A crudely fashioned wooden wheelbarrow can be seen emerging, its contents piled high and covered with a sheet. As the wheelbarrow advances into the room, its wheel suddenly comes loose, and the barrow tips over, spilling its contents into the room. The load hits two of the doctors and send them sprawling. They in turn slam into others of the autopsy team. One of them is sent stumbling backwards into the agent. The agent finds himself tumbling end over end at an impossible speed. The tumbling stops with a jarring crash and a deafening shattering of glass. The agent's vision is now all too clear of the earlier blurring. The agent can tell that he is now on the floor of the operating theater. His vantage is exceedingly odd. It is as if he were buried in the floor up to his neck. Looming above him he can see and hear all. The spilled contents of the wheelbarrow are the naked bodies of his cell members. The corpse on the slab now hangs off it a bit, and he can see that its head has been sawed off at the neck. The doctors have leaped to their feet and are howling at what was pushing the wheelbarrow. With the blurred vision gone, the agent can see that the doctors are diseased behind their masks. Their eyes are a bright jaundiced yellow shot through with blood, and their skin is scabrous. Their smocks are stained with blood from countless corpses, mold and mildew, and rivulets of a bilious fluid that well up from their bodies. The agent can also see what was pushing the wheelbarrow. It is a huge black horror the size of a horse with claws and wings. With a screech, it leaps past the doctors that crowd to scold it, and darts forward to snap its steaming jaws onto the agent's head. The agent then finds himself lying on the floor of the original autopsy room. Depending on how his SAN roll goes, he may be getting his freak-out on. It appears to everyone else present that he has just fallen over on his ass, for no apparent reason. How you like them apples!! The Thug Whisperer "Back off Man! I'm a scientist." _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:35 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Quantum teleportation yada nada >Teleportation will not involve the wholesale deconstruction and >reconstruction of humans, Star Trek-style. It should allow the arrangement >of one set of quantum particles to reproduce more or less instantly that of >a similar collection of distant particles. In this way a message encoded in >photons of light could be transmitted from one place to another without >sending the photons across the intervening space. Forget messages, man! This sucker can create full-grown clones! The problem with cloning right now is you can't duplicate upbringing and you end up with two people who look alike but are mentally very different. But with this, you take the present leader of the free world (dubya), quantumly entangle his particles with a gas cloud, hit a switch, and you now have two identical gas clouds! Think of how much that could help with the safety of our country! M From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:27 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] deep Ones running the UN >It's true. I looked at the picture at >http://www.irlgov.ie/iveagh/aboutus/biographies/cowens.html for about 5 >minutes and he didn't blink once. Five minutes? Wow, that's a long time - even for a picture of a deep one. He was probably just timing it to always blink at exactly the same time as you. Amazing reflexes, those deep ones. From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:50 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] A little help >I am still working on that scenario, so I have nothing to show as of yet. >However, since this whole thing seems to have been well recieved, I will >throw this out for public consumption. S P O I L E R S P A C E An Autopsy Yikes! And furthermore..... Yikes! Only one suggestion: Just before the commotion, have the investigator notice a scar on the corpse's leg very similar to the investigator's own. (Or a tattoo, or whatever. Just be sure to describe it as "similar" and keep the doubt that it's exactly the same.) A thing of beauty, though. M From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:10 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Paranoia magazine http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/ Interesting mag. The current issue was drawn to my attention because it includes a section on "Science Fiction as Covert Propaganda.", which apparently describes how H.G.Wells, Cordwainer Smith, L. Ron Hubbard, John W.Campbell, and Robert A. Heinlein were agents of the free-floating mass of world-controlling conspiracies, and suggests that Linebarger/Smith was killed because he gave away too much of the plans in his stories!!! The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:07 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: PARANOIA RE: [DG] A little helphttp://www.paranoiamagazine.com/ Interesting mag. The current issue was drawn to my attention because it includes a section on "Science Fiction as Covert Propaganda.", which apparently describes how H.G. Wells, Cordwainer Smith, L. Ron Hubbard, John W. Campbell, and Robert A. Heinlein were agents of the free-floating mass of world-controlling conspiracies, and suggests that Linebarger/Smith was killed because he gave away too much of the plans in his stories!!! _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 12:05 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG has access to a new jet? On 2 October 2001, His Saurian Majesty "The Lizard King" suggested: > With the legendary rivalry between the LA County Sheriffs and the LAPD, I >expect we'll be reading about a new LAPD jet any day now. I have no doubt! It will likely be a Lear 45 or 55, which Baca will eventually top with the purchase of a Concorde or one of those supersonic bizjets Sukhoi is reportedly working on! (In such a case, maybe DG can end up with the King Airs? They're still excellent machines for our purposes!) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jessthecatasc@eircom.net Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:36 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] deep Ones running the UN > Five minutes? Wow, that's a long time - even for a picture of a deep one. He > was probably just timing it to always blink at exactly the same time as you. > Amazing reflexes, those deep ones. Har Bloody har. As pictures go, thats quite a human looking one. Try and get one of him speaking. I couldnt find one, in all my 3 1/2 minutes search. Perhaps theres a reason to that... ANd Lizard King: got some funky new software that hides your email address now? - The Nuge _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 2:38 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Gunfondlers Wet Dream And anything like this should have some sort of 'maintenance mode' or a reset switch. Although the biometric idea is still in development, I do recall hearing about a ring based system. IIRC it was (is?) called MagSafe, only worked on revolvers, and was magnetic. Something about holding an ATM / Credit card with the ring-hand resulted in blank card. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Layne [mailto:theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:31 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Gunfondlers Wet Dream On 1 October 2001, "Janusz A. Urbanowicz" wrote: >Gatten, Marshall wrote/napisał[a]/schrieb: >[Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > > Regardless, once there is a biometric in the gun, we won't be far from > > having the biometric transferred to the bullets in some fashion. Every >time > > you fire a gun using your palmprint (or whatever), your palmprint gets > > loaded onto some sort of memory in the bullet itself so that positive > > identification of the shooter can be made instead of just positive > > identification of his gun. And then DG agents will be sceeeeeerrewed. No, they will find a way of bypassing this feature if they use such a weapon, and feeding false data to the memory in the bullets. I am certain that a false trail could be created from recorded data. "Who shot these cultists?" "Well, Sir, according to the data we recovered from the bullets, one was shot by Jimmy Hoffa, and the others by Saddam Hussein and Idi Amin!" Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 3:19 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Quantum teleportation yada nada RE: [DG] Quantum teleportation yada nada ----- Original Message ----- From: Gatten, Marshall > Forget messages, man! This sucker can create full-grown clones! Unfortunately it can't. Well, right now you can only "teleport" the state of a single particle, but in theory you could do it with a complex system, it is true. However, you can't duplicate. --- *** --- Classical "teleportation", otherwise known as "copying", consists of getting all the information out of a system, saving it, and then using it to recreate the system as many times as you like. In a way it is just the process we use when printing a book, except that it is suppose to work as atomic level. Now, in theory, you could, using only classical non-quantum teleportation (copying), refine the process to the point where you record the position of every atom in a system to within a few nanometers. You could not get out all the information: the Uncertainty principle forbids it. But you could put every atom approximately in place. By doing this multiple times you can create many duplicates. In this way you could duplicate even a living thing. --- *** --- However, that's not quantum teleportation. In QT you "entangle" the system with a larger system, and then "entangle" that larger system with something else and transfer the FULL quantum state of the original system to its new position. You transfer even the stuff that the Uncertainty principle states can't be simultaneously measured classically - the full position and momentum of every particle. This is a copying far more faithful than anything that Classical teleportation offers. --- *** --- When you do this, you *must* destroy the original system, or violate Quantum Mechanics. So QT forbids duplication of a system. --- *** --- I sometimes think that our consciousness or spirit resides in the "full" quantum state of our brains. This is why you can transfer our minds - I suspect the Yithian mind-transfer apparatus works by quantim teleportation - but you can never duplicate it. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:01 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Quantum teleportation yada nada >> Forget messages, man! This sucker can create full-grown clones! >Unfortunately it can't. >In QT you "entangle" the system with a larger system, and then "entangle" >that larger system with something else and transfer the FULL quantum state >of the original system to its new position. >When you do this, you *must* destroy the original system Okay, well we could still use it to entangle a giant gas cloud with dubya and then throw the switch to clone the gas cloud. Nobody will much care if the original gas cloud is destroyed. :)