From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Anarchy [anarchy@agentsofchaos.org] Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 7:09 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] CDC Update Hey. Just adding that it was Tom Brokaw's assistant here in NyC, not Dan Rather. ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Petherick To: Delta Green List Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 3:53 PM Subject: [DG] CDC Update > I've mentioned this link before, but here it is again - the CDC "Public > Health Emergency Preparedness & Response" site. Although the site address > still reflects the original title of this section - "Bioterrorism". > http://www.bt.cdc.gov/ > > There are a couple of press releases about the anthrax cases in Florida and > Dan Rather's assistant at NBC who has a case of cutaneous anthrax. As the > press releases state, part of the investigation involves genotyping of the > bacteria to identify the particular strain. Other sources like CNN > http://www.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/10/10/anthrax/ state the strain has been > identified as Ames, the most common laboratory strain. > > Actually, PROMEDMAIL has far better coverage of the entire thing at > http://www.promedmail.org/pls/promed/promed.home, and go into the archives. > Which is where I found the link to this interesting site > http://www.pighealth.com/ > > An interesting factoid is that the Florida cases occurred at American Media > Inc., publisher of such fine tabloids as the National Enquirer > http://www.nationalenquirer.com/. > > ObDG: Obviously, a cultist group targets Phenomenon X or a supermarket > tabloid as a result of their reporting of Mythos activity. The group mails > or couriers some kind of magical powder that affects an individual or > individuals in the offices. MJ-12 and DG find themselves involved in the > investigation / cover-up of the episode. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > John Petherick, CIH ROH jpetheri@cyberbeach.net > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Anarchy [anarchy@agentsofchaos.org] Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 7:21 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: [DG] 9/11 conspiracy theories > Sadly, I have to report that in a kiddie RPG forum over here, I had to > repeatedly ask the kids "are you psychopaths? What's wrong with you?", because far too many > of the young creeps were expressing joy at the attacks. I have players that, during a Horror on the Orient Express campaign, met an old man where the campaign book said they had to bribe him, fast talk, etc., and the campaign book mentioned that they party would surely not use force on an old man. Of course, my players decided to hit him with a pipe, but missed, and instead grappled him and slit his throat, then hid his body before fleeing the country. Ah, I love my players. Scott _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Chris Womack [jcwomack@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 7:25 PM To: deltagreen revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] CDC Update on 10/13/01 7:08 PM, Anarchy at anarchy@agentsofchaos.org wrote: > Hey. Just adding that it was Tom Brokaw's assistant here in NyC, not Dan > Rather. ;) Hey. If this is all you felt the need to add, then why did you include the entire post to which you were responding? The delete key is your friend, people. Trim your damn quotes. C Chris Womack jcwomack@earthlink.net Keeper of the DGML (Ret'd.); COOF #0 _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Rodemaker [dar@horusinc.com] Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 8:44 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Islamic Special K > As for the Assassins as an anti-Mythos force, sounds like a great > idea, but > unfortunately UNSEEN MASTERS decided to make them a Mythos cult for no > determinable reason whatsoever. UNSEEN MASTERS does that a lot. The Templars and the Assassins by James Wasserman suggests that the Assassins had a nine-degree initiatory sequence with progressively more heretical teachings. Interesting reading, and an easy explanation of different sects that have survived into the present. David _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jeff Ewing [ambjpe@gis.net] Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 9:25 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Islamic Special K On Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:22:20 +0000, Jussi Marttila wrote: >I remember some obscure reference I read somewhere of a Moslem >Waffen-SS >unit. You speak of the Handschar Division, made up of Bosnian Muslims. Mostly just made trouble trying to desert in France. More interesting is the Nazi support of Iraq during WWII. If you'll pardon me for saying this, it's not unlike the Finnish case: the Iraqis were willing to ally with the Nazis in order to get rid of a more immediate threat, in this case the British. Jeff _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 9:42 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] CDC Update Let's not forget that we have an outbreak of Dengue Fever on Maui: http://www.cdc.gov/travel/other/dengue-hawaii-oct2001.htm http://www.state.hi.us/doh/dengue/index.html Of course, I categorically deny that this outbreak is in any way related to the Seventh Chemical. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jim Clunie [jim_clunie@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 5:44 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: Islamic special K (was: RE: [DG] 9/11 conspiracy theories) >From: "The Man in Black" > > >We also cannot discount the possibility of an Islamic ANTI-Mythos >organization, possibly with ties to the Assassin Cult. Such an >organization may have been twisted into a Mythos Cult, or fragmented >into pro and anti-mythos factions. > For example, the ulama of Ibn Tulun, in Cairo (Masks of Nyarlathotep). It's stated that if the investigators succeed in aiding these warriors against the Mythos, "many doors in the Muslim world are then open to them". Jim C _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Anarchy [anarchy@agentsofchaos.org] Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 4:17 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Islamic Special K > More interesting is the Nazi support of Iraq during WWII. If you'll > pardon me for saying this, it's not unlike the Finnish case: the > Iraqis were willing to ally with the Nazis in order to get rid of a > more immediate threat, in this case the British. The problem with America's having done this in the past is that when we've teamed up against a threat, we've also decided to educate the allying force in combat methods, and we've supplied them with weaponry and equipment. Then, when we aid them enough that they can come to power, they end up being a worse regime than the one we had helped them to replace. And they end up terrorizing with the aid of our tactics and equipment. We've allied with, trained, and equipped people that came back to hurt us in Iran, Guatemala, Zaire, the Dominican Republic, Indonesia, Greece, Cambodia, Libya, El Salvador, Afghanistan (we supplied weapons and money to the Taliban, when they fought the USSR), Panama, Irag, and Haiti. Scott _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Olle Jonsson [a97olljo@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 5:20 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] First adventure tonight I've been on this list for a two months, and I just wrote once. But here is a very real question. I am going to start a DG campaign, using "Puppetshows and Shadowplays". There are three investigators in total, but only two of them are going to be doing the first session. (Almost like it says in the book, that I should run the 1st scenario for two investigators only, and then bring in "Mr. 3rd guy" as an already DG-initiated character.) I want your input on how your sessions with this scenario went. What's hard to get the characters to do? What can go wrong? How'd you do it? Olle (Stockholm, Sweden) PS: Mother's Milk thread - masquerade an anti-Mythos action against a huge farmhouse/farm vehicle as an animal rights action. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jussi Marttila [velcrokf@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 6:20 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Islamic Special K >You speak of the Handschar Division, made up of Bosnian Muslims. >Mostly just made trouble trying to desert in France. > >More interesting is the Nazi support of Iraq during WWII. If you'll >pardon me for saying this, it's not unlike the Finnish case: the >Iraqis were willing to ally with the Nazis in order to get rid of a >more immediate threat, in this case the British. > This, of course, is very DG: allying yourself with seriously evil people to fight against the Mythos should be a cornerstone in any nutritious breakfast. I have my players in my '60-ties campaign allying themselves with Dudley Smith and in my modern-era DG campaign, they will have mobsters as allies. Also, funding ops with drugs is a fun way to test the players morality. Jussi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 12:42 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: poison gas shells in Kyushu harbor, Japan? How many shells are there? No one knows. Where are they? Some are in China. Nobody knows where the rest of them are. Increasingly though, the suspicion is growing that many of them might be only ten or fifteen meters offshore in Kaita harbor of Kyushu city in Japan. In fact, not only might they be just a few meters offshore, but much of Kaita harbor may be carpeted with them. >From http://morrock.com/notsushi.htm some way down the page. Just a little snippet, which maybe someone can make use of. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 5:41 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] More fodder for 9/11 conspiracy I was doing my periodic check of snopes.com for the latest urban legends and saw that they have a section devoted to 9/11 rumors at http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/rumors.htm. There was a bit more information about the Clear Channel rumor (or disinformation if you are so inclined) and a weird apparently true James Woods connection. But for that bracing minty fresh taste of conspiracy, check http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/putcall.htm . "In the month prior to the 11 September 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, highly unusual trading activity involving American and United Airlines stock was noted by market analysts who at the time had no idea what to make of it. Wildly unusual discrepancies in the put and call ratio -- 25 to 100 times normal -- were observed in stock options of the two airlines. In one case, Bloomberg's Trade Book electronic trading system identified option volume in UAL (parent of United Airlines) on 16 August 2001 that was 36 times higher than usual." "(Options are wagers that the price of a 100-share block of a particular stock will rise or fall by a certain date. "Puts" are "shorts" -- bets the stock price will fall. "Calls" are bets the price will rise. Thus, one who has reason to believe a particular company is about to suffer a terrible reversal of fortune would purchase "puts" against that entity's stock.)" "But it was during the final few trading days (the market closes on weekends) that the most unusual variances in activity occurred. Bloomberg data show that on 6 September, the Thursday before that black Tuesday, put-option volume in UAL stock was nearly 100 times higher than normal -- 2,000 versus 27 on the previous day." "No other airline stocks were affected -- only United and American were shorted in this fashion." I was pleased and unsurprised to see that Starbuck's once again managed to step on their corporate dick with probably the only example of selfishness in the aftermath. http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/starbuck.htm Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 1:43 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Islamic Special K I posted something on the subject awhile back, so rather than rework the whole thing or point you to an archive, here it is again. Nazis in the Mideast Okay, let's get this ontrack from the git-go. During WWII, the situation in the Mideast was about as wacky as it is these days. How wacky? Well, politics was making for some exceptionally strange dare-I-say perverse bedfellows. The sun hadn't quite set on the English Empire yet, and they were technically in charge of Palestine. I say technically because, of course, no one has been in charge of Palestine to any discernible degree during written history. Some have conquered, some have squatted, but no one has been "in charge". Some Jewish rebels felt that it would be a good thing for England to go away, and since England was fighting Germany, and the enemy of my enemy is my friend.. Menchem Begin's Irgun Zvai Leumi and Yitzhak Shamir's Stern Gang put out feelers to the Axis during the war. They actually proposed that Europe should become Jew-free and a totalitarian Jewish state would be bound by treaty with the German Reich. The World Zionist Organization sent Hitler a cable of condolence upon the death of Hindenberg. Hitler's geopolitical experts gave top priority to building up Nazi influence in the Mideast. Gas for tanks and all. Although Hitler described Arabs as "lacquered half-apes who ought to be whipped", there were some who met with approval. There was a Green Shirt fascist movement in Egypt that called Hitler Abu Ali, "good fighter". King Farouk was also a Nazi sympathizer The palace became a clearing house for Axis spies and couriers, members of the royal family were involved in espionage in Fascist Italy and apparently many of the king's mistresses doubled as Nazi agents. Admiral Canaris had two young Egyptian lieutenants as confidential agents, Abdel Nasser and Anwar Sadat. They also belonged to a secret officers association called the Ring of Iron. The most influential Arab to make kissy-face with the Nazis was Haj Amin al-Husayni, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. Hitler was impressed with his "exceptional cleverness" which made him "almost equal to the Japanese", Heinrich Himmler was impressed by his "appropriately Nordic" blue eyes. A 'racial expert' at the Abwehr quickly concluded in an intelligence report that the Mufti was not really much of an Arab, concluding "Pure Arab blood.could not have been so consistent and systematic in the struggle against the English and the Jews; he would certainly have been bought off. What is more, the Caucasian or Aryan blood enables us to expect from the Mufti in the future that faithfulness in an ally of which pure Arab blood would be incapable" However, in spite of having the Mufti spending the war years in Berlin, chauffeured about by an SS guard, he would not get the support he wanted for Arab self-determination and unity - as that would conflict with the colonial interests of Vichy France and Fascist Italy. You know, white people. The Grand Mufti spent the time in Berlin making pro-Axis propaganda for broadcasting throughout the Arab world and helping organize a Muslim division of the Waffen SS consisting of recruits from the Balkans - primarily Bosnians. The Mufti prayed with them often and exhorted them to fight for Allah. He also blessed Nazi-trained sabotage teams which were sent to Palestine, Iraq and Transjordan. Haj Amin al-Husayni also urged Germany to send Jews to concentration camps rather than let them emigrate to Palestine, but the SS didn't need any prompting for that project. After the war things got really interesting. Nazis were scurrying away via the Madrid and Vatican ratlines to Buenos Aires, die Spinne and ODESSA were setting up cushy spots for all the Nazis who weren't scooped up by PAPERCLIP or trapped behind the Iron Curtain. Otto Skorzeny was partying with Peron and Franco and being actively wooed by the CIA. Reinhard Gehlen had the espionage franchise for Europe and was soon giving analyses to the CIA that were not checked because he was a staunch anti-Communist, and being an ex-Nazi made him even more anti-Communist in the CIA's opinion. King Farouk provided the Grand Mufti with some swell digs in Alexandria in '46 and soon there was a steady stream of Third Reich vets heading to Cairo. It was time to upgrade the Egyptian armed forces for the brave new post-war world, and military officers secured the services of Nazi technicians and industrial experts. What constituted an "industrial expert" was interesting since some of the first immigrants were SS General Oskar von Dirlewanger and Willi Berner (organized the Mauthausen concentration camp) and later joined by SS officer Heinrich Willermann, formerly the medical director at Dachau. In the early '50s a forty man contingent of German paratroopers, artillery and demolitions experts, frogmen and tank veterans of Rommel's Afrika Korps were brought to Cairo as instructors for Egypt's military academies. After the Free Officer's Society overthrew the monarchy on July 23 1952, Colonel Gamal Abdel Nasser asked them to stay and continue their assistance. Newsweek reported "The most intriguing aspect [of] the revolt against King Farouk was the role played in the coup by the large group of German advisors serving with the Egyptian army." And "the young officers who did the actual planning consulted the German advisors as to 'tactics'." This accounted for "the smoothness of the operation," the magazine suggested. The fella who replaced Farouk was the ever avuncular Muhammed Naguib, but he was soon replaced by Nasser, which was endorsed by the CIA because of his strong anti-Communist stance. One of Nasser's first measures was to crack down on the Egyptian Communist Party and imprison it's leaders. European-style anti-Semitism was uncommon in the Arab world prior to WWII. Jews were often discriminated against but were rarely persecuted. This began to change when Nazi propagandists assumed key positions at the Information Ministry in Cairo. The racialist views of the Nazis began to rub off on Egyptian leaders. Nasser wanted to upgrade the Egyptian espionage apparatus and the CIA wanted him to do so. Unfortunately, the CIA was also supposed to be friendly to Israel and helping to build up a country technically at war with them would look bad, so the support and aid would have to be clandestine. Off-the-shelf products were needed, and there was the Gehlen Org looking for things to do. After conferring with Allen Dulles, Gehlen decided that this was a job for .Otto Skorzeny. But Skorzeny was playing hard to get, hobnobbing with Evita and popping up in Madrid or Brazil. He took the job when the CIA offered to supplement the salary offered by Nasser. Skorzeny used CIA funds to recruit SS veterans and other Third Reich luminaries, more than a hundred additional German advisors were brought aboard, drawn from ODESSA and other neo-Nazi organizations. These included fugitives such as SS Major Leopold Gleim, who had been sentenced to death for wartime atrocities when he was Gestapo chief of Poland. Miles Copeland of the CIA took it all in stride: "Perhaps someone will one day devise a means for inducing gentlemen of finer sensibilities to become security officers, but certainly no such means were known, either by Nasser or his American advisors." In a speech before the House of Commons, Winston Churchill warned that the Egyptian army was "being aided and trained by Nazi instructors and staff officers in unusual numbers." An Egyptian government spokesman replied "Britain herself is using more than 4,000 German experts, the United States is employing several thousand, and many other countries are doing the same." Things got very weird when the Mossad wanted to forge closer ties with the CIA and ended up working with their old buddy, Reinhard Gehlen. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Philip_Ward@yestelevision.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 3:37 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Character Comments IT's true, I said: > "We can't just disappear him, just because he MIGHT > cause the end of the world" ;) Ahem... IN my defence though I must say it was... very early in the morning, perhaps 4am or later... and I'd been in work, I was under stress. The dog ate my homework... Oh well, that's a weight off my shoulders, it can't get any worse now, after all, I dont think anybody would date to post a report about my DND game here... Cheers Phil ********************************************************************** This e-mail (including any attachments) is intended only for the recipient(s) named above. 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I knew I'd "heard it somewhere". that just about covers everything. Apologies. the Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Crossingham, Adam [Adam.Crossingham@markelintl.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 5:54 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: Islamic special K (was: RE: [DG] 9/11 conspiracy theories) The Man in Black wrote: > We also cannot discount the possibility of an Islamic ANTI-Mythos > organization, possibly with ties to the Assassin Cult. Such an > organization may have been twisted into a Mythos Cult, or fragmented > into pro and anti-mythos factions. There's the Swords of Akmallah from Mask of Nyarlathotep, though in the 1920s they were a bunch of elderly clerics rather than a pro-active force. AFC _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Tim Betz [vag@arsimagica.net] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 6:34 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] First adventure tonight On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, Olle Jonsson wrote: > I want your input on how your sessions with this scenario went. What's hard > to get the characters to do? What can go wrong? How'd you do it? http://www.arsimagica.net/~vag/dg/ has the write-up of the game I'm currently running. It started with PS&SP and that section is completely written up (follow the MURP link). The PS&SP link has a bunch of handouts and stuff I gave to my players. The player playing Agent MacLeod was a GM plant, it was arranged that he would play for 2-3 sessions and the character would be abducted at the end of a session. After that the player would no longer turn up, and I wouldn't make mention of it. I think the players found this zany rather than anything else. Probably wont bother trying it again. The maps etc that Ms Green (Ms Lee in my game) delivers to the players I printed out and mailed to the players home address between sessions. Gives the player in question something mysterious to hang on to and not let the other players know about until it comes up in game, if nothing else :) Otherwise the whole thing went reasonably smoothly. I don't think I had to do anything much to keep the players on track. -- Tim Betz _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 8:55 AM To: DGML Subject: [DG] Speculations about Stealth Technology Not Being Seen, the importance of not being seen was once underlined in a dramatic sketch by Monty Python, where those people who were seen were summarily blown up real good by the erstwhile British comedy troupe. This avoidance of explosion and death lies at the heart of stealth technology. By not being seen, one can avoid death and dismemberment. Many stealth programs exist in the public eye: the F-117, the B-2, the Advanced Technology Fighter (YF-22), the US Navy's ATA A-12 Avenger and AX, Lockheed's Darkstar Recon Drone, the Royal Navy's Sea Wraith Corvette, the US Navy's Sea Shadow concept ship, and the French Navy's La Fayette class Frigate. Other projects, such as the RAH-66 Comanche Helicopter, the Arleigh Burke Destroyer and the Navy's next generation CVX aircraft carrier incorporate stealth concepts to a lesser degree. Since Stealth is a technological trinket bestowed upon Majestic by the Mi-Go, it behooves Delta Green to keep an eye on developments in the field in order to gather evidence of Majestic at work. Project RAINBOW ensures that Delta Green cannot ignore Modern Naval Stealth. The Office of Naval Intelligence is after all, Delta Green's primary inroad into the Majestic organization. One of the more important tools used to develop stealthy designs is the ECHO1 software. This computer program and it's successors can predict the electromagnetic signature of geometric forms. ECHO1 was limited to flat angular surfaces, resulting in the distinctive look of the F-117 "Wobblin' Goblin". Later advancements in computer hardware and stealth mathematics have made it possible to design more aerodynamic curved surfaces, such as that seen on the B-2 Spirit. These computer programs could be very useful as targets for cyber-espionage. They could also be used as a scientific tool to understand various mythos entities and phenmomenon, such as the Colour Out of Space, or the Tillinghast Effect. The McGuffin potential of Stealth Computation cannot be overlooked. The interaction between Stealth designs and a Colour out of Space (a being composed at least in part of electromagnetic energy) or the unusual fluctuations of Tillinghast Radiation would be interesting to say the least. I believe the sequal to the Philadelphia Experiment movie featured a Stealth Fighter equipped with a Tillinghast Resonator. Could a Project REDLIGHT Aircraft be similarly equipped? However, the Stealth cat is out of the bag, and now every developed nation is desperate to develop the capability of not being seen. The British are rumored to be developing a stealth fighter, and there are some indications that the Russians are doing so as well. The Eurofighter program to develop a unified European aircraft is likely to incorporate a very stealthy design. These new developments threaten to make the United States' stealth arsenal obsolete, unless the Black projects have come up with something better... But what might the Black Projects have come up with? This is where speculation serves the interest of authors such as Tom Clancy, and Case Officers for Delta Green. The possibilities are fairly obvious when looked at in the right light: 1) Satellite Technology: Radar is the primary means of detection of space vehicles, if a spy satellite could be rendered invisible to radar, it would force enemies to use infrared and thermal detection to identify reconaissance satellites. I call the stealth satellite: BLACK MOON. 2) Cruise Missiles: Lockheed has an operational recon drone called Darkstar, it wouldn't be too far out of line to think that cruise missiles should be designed in a stealthy manner. You'd probably have to cut out a lot of the more expensive radar absorbing materials such as composites, and rely on a "stealth bullet" design. This program would be called: SKY SHADOW. 3) Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles: This is incredibly destabilizing from a politcal point of view, but makes perfect sense to build. In fact, Stealth Technology has probably been applied to the Strategic Nuclear Arsenal for years. A missile launch might be impossible to conceal from spy satellites, but the subsequent trajectory (especially that of secondary multiple warheads) could be hidden. It may be that space based missiles (in violation of any number of treaties) with a stealthy design could make nuclear warfare a much more sudden and hair-trigger event than it already is. Let's call this one: DARK STORM. 4) Sonar Invisibility: Although this Man in Black has little fundamental understanding of the science involved, it seems vaguely possible to translate some of the capabilities of radar reflection and absorbtion to sound waves. If this is true, then the SEA SHADOW concept vessel undoubtedly exists to develop this potential. It's above the water, twin hulled design might be a clever dodge to disguise it's true purpose as a silent running technology platform, or even as a floating shell to conceal a Secret Stealth Submarine better suited for anti-sonar than anti-radar. The design might also be to conceal the launch of super-cavitating torpedoes, or other deployments of other things such as special operations troops or deep submergence vessels into the water. The SEA SHADOW tender, the SKY SHADOW cruise missile, and the SILENT SHADOW submarine could present the triple crown of naval stealth. 5) Special Operations: The US Army has been developing technology to minimize or conceal infrared signatures of it's vehicles and men. It would seem that parachutes could also be designed for stealth as well. I'm not too familiar with the radar signature of parachutes, but it would seem that the airborne soldier would present the largest profile (exempting the plane he dropped out of). A Stealthy Osprey-type aircraft or helicopter for infiltration and exfiltration seems to be necessary if you're going to have a stealthy parachute and drop suit. Of course, a man-portable Tillinghast Generator could result in a "Predator" sort of effect, with the added bonus of mutating your soldier into a non-human extradimensional entity as well. Call this: GHOST DANCE for the man, and GHOST RIDER for the tilt-rotor aircraft. A stealth helicopter design overlooked by the US Army: http://www.evilface.com/evilscustoms/mambaa13.htm 6) Armored Vehicles: It would seem foolish to apply stealth to a Tank, because the primary means of detection of armored vehicles is not radar, but the much simpler "Just Look at Them". However, the advent of the Tillinghast Resonator makes it possible to disguise large objects from visual detection. I have no doubts that Majestic has conducted experiments in this regard. Call it: GHOST TOWN. 7) Reconaissance Aircraft: The Defense Department tells us that satellite technology has replaced the SR-71 as far as taking pictures of the enemy goes. I don't buy it. I think the AURORA is a Project REDLIGHT aircraft designed for supersonic speed and stealth. I don't think I have to cover the exotic propulsion theories and other dubious information that various aerospace "spies" have purported, these are readily available elsewhere. However, none of them suggest that the AURORA has any N-Space connection. In conclusion, I think the proliferation of Tillinghast Resonator technology as applied to all areas of the Military Industrial Complex will present the greatest threat to Delta Green in the coming conflict with Majestic-12. Currently, the Office of Naval Intelligence is friendly to Delta Green, and provides access to the inner workings of Majestic. If a working relationship with MJ-3 can be established, Delta Green could assist Gavin Ross in purging the Steering Committee. The first person to be replaced should be MJ-10 Lt. Gen Deerhausen. If ADM Harley Patton (current head of the ONI in the Delta Green world) can take his place then the balance of power on the Steering committee shifts towards an anti-Grey line. Subsequent contact with N-Space sentience (possibly the Colour Out of Space or Hounds of Tindalos) will further degrade the pro-Grey faction. With a Delta Green friendly in charge of Project SIDEKICK, true international cooperation in anti-mythos operations becomes possible. If MJ-11 LOOKING GLASS can also be brought on board, it opens doors to Russia and former communist countries as well. Of course gaining the cooperation of GRU-SV8 by revealing the existence of the Accord and Majestic then risks a great deal more than previously thought. Delta Green could lose everything, access to Majestic, the chance to purge the Steering Committee, and the opportunity to build an international coalition to fight the Mythos. However, without revealing this critical information, cooperation and trust cannot be developed with GRU-SV8. In addition to this, both GRU-SV8 wishes to present itself as being a monolithic Soviet Bloc instead of the nearly bankrupt paupers that they are, and Delta Green wishes to present itself as a Spooky Government Agency as opposed to the renegade outlaw conspiracy that they are. The relationship is a delicate one to say the least. In any case, the terrible radiant legacy of Project RAINBOW is turning into a major part of my GREY WAR campaign outline. The return to official status for Delta Green is going to be a rough ride into the ENDTIMES. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 11:57 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculations about Stealth Technology HUMOR > A stealth helicopter design overlooked by the US Army: > > http://www.evilface.com/evilscustoms/mambaa13.htm You know, I saw the picture. I immediately thought.. mm, extra seats. and the profile looks similar to the Silverhawks lay down style piloting. Which makes sense. Should the high tech ordinance of the helicopter be insufficent for the target, it's always useful to be able to launch passengers, nay, even the pilot at the target. For, to turn a phrase, it's clobberin' time. What's that? Ry'leth has risen? Cthulhu out and about, chomping on the citizenry? Our weapons are having no effect? Time to get serious. *shoomp* Go smack him for me, Robbins! *shoomp* Straight to the kisser, Roberts! *shoomp* Here I go! Of course, I imagine with the advent of jetboots, this tactic will become more viable, as payloads will be able to repeatedly redeploy themselves.. . . > 6) Armored Vehicles: It would seem foolish to apply stealth to a Tank, > because the primary means of detection of armored vehicles is not radar, > but the much simpler "Just Look at Them". However, the advent of the > Tillinghast Resonator makes it possible to disguise large objects from > visual detection. I have no doubts that Majestic has conducted > experiments in this regard. Call it: GHOST TOWN. On a serious note... Generally when one can just look at them, one can be just shot by them. So there is actually, believe this or not.. gasp.. a use for radar detection of tanks. Something about pre-engagement shuffling. However, I have not served any time in the armed forces, so feel free to say, "Well, I said primary, you tree hugging piss hippy, so sit your butt down." To which I will respond, "I volunteered to serve, so eat that tree shtuffs." and then I may, hopefully, be flamed properly by the MiB. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 12:36 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculations about Stealth Technology HUMOR -----Original Message----- From: talaphid >Generally when one can just look at them, one can be just shot by them. Not if you're looking thru a satellite or aircraft camera. >there is actually, believe this or not.. gasp.. a use for radar detection of >tanks. There is a reason radar isn't used on ground targets, it's called terrain. In addition to hills and trees and rocks and buildings and sand dunes getting in the way, which makes your effective detection range LESS than a good pair of binoculars, you must also deal with stuff like cars and trucks, which makes your identification of a ground target via radar rather pathetic. That's why infrared and lasers are the preferred means of guidance for anti-tank weapons. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 2:02 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Signs of the New World Order My favorite sort of conspiracy musings are the ones that resemble urban legends. Looking at familiar things through a glass darkly, finding the fantastic in the mundane. The best Twilight Zones started that way; a normal setup that gets skewed. This is the fun in the premise of http://www.tackamarks.freeservers.com/ . Reflective "inspection" stickers on the backs of road signs give the occupying troops of the evil UN NWO troops directions to strategic facilities. Almost all of the examples point to parking lots or other open areas interpreted as heliports or drop\pickup zones. Why they don't use *maps* or GPS coordinates to accomplish this is not explained. Also, since the stickers are on the backs of the signs I presume that most of the occupying troops will be from the UK or Japan, obstinately driving on the left hand side of the road. After you've learned the sticker code the significance of the arrows on rest stop signs becomes clear. I might also note that the conspiracy goes back a ways since They had to design the rest stops to have the signs make sense. First They polluted our precious bodily fluids with fluoride and LSD in lick'n'stick tattoos, then they started putting up those European traffic signs. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Yossi Gurvitz [ygurvitz@netvision.net.il] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 12:25 PM To: The Lizard King Subject: Re[2]: [DG] Islamic Special K Hello Mark, Excellently written, with one glaring error: Monday, October 15, 2001, 8:42:38 AM, you wrote: TLK> Menchem Begin's Irgun Zvai TLK> Leumi and Yitzhak Shamir's Stern Gang put out feelers to the Axis during the TLK> war. They actually proposed that Europe should become Jew-free and a TLK> totalitarian Jewish state would be bound by treaty with the German Reich. TLK> The TLK> World Zionist Organization sent Hitler a cable of condolence upon the death TLK> of Hindenberg. The Irgun did not see things eye to eye with the Stern gang. In fact, the Stern gang left the Irgun (ETZEL is the common Hebrew acronym) because the Irgun supported the British during the war (to the point that its first commander, David Raziel, died in a British covert op in Iraq). The Stern gang, under Stern himself and Shamir, then tried to contact the Nazis. It came to nothing, but - surprisingly enough, in a country that raised the Holocaust to the level of a new religion - it did not hurt Shamir's career one bit. -- Best regards, Yossi mailto:ygurvitz@netvision.net.il _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 2:41 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: [DG] Islamic Special K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yossi Gurvitz" > Excellently written, with one glaring error: > > The Irgun did not see things eye to eye with the Stern gang. In > fact, the Stern gang left the Irgun (ETZEL is the common Hebrew > acronym) because the Irgun supported the British during the war > (to the point that its first commander, David Raziel, died in a British covert op > in Iraq). Thanks, I'll correct that if I do anything with this stuff. Oh yeah, I really should give credit where it's due and mention that most of the factoids were from "The Beast Reawakens: Fascism's Resurgence from Hitler's Spymasters to Today's Neo-Nazi Groups and Right-Wing Extremists" by Martin A. Lee (ISBN: 0415925460). A good read and full of useful stuff. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jessthecatasc@eircom.net Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 5:44 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] 9/11 conspiracy theories > >The solution!! > > > >http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/bert.htm Actually, the other night, on 2D TV, a British cartoon satire show, the had the "Talibannies", with "Bin La La". If the Coalition can't bomb the bugger out, why not satire him to submission? BTW: Don't know if you know this, but a week or so ago, during the usual bout of Flag-bouncing that goes on in Pakistan, guess which flag joined the US and Israeli one. It definitely wasn't the Indian one. Now, Our Air defence consists 15 antiquated aircraft guns and 7 - thats SEVEN - missiles. We have no interceptor aircraft, nor are we ordering any; Instead, we are ordering training planes with some interceptor capability. So, my final question is this: anybody in a country that has something resembling Air defence got a room I can borrow? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 6:06 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: (DG) Toons go to War! (Humor) (was: Re: [DG] 9/11 conspiracy theories) On 13 October 2001, Glove Cleaner "Andy Robertson" wrote: >From: "Michael Layne" > > > > Congratulations on some excellent intelligence analysis! I always >knew > > there was something suspiscious about Bert! I guess it was too tempting > > when Bin Laden invited him to "embrace the Dark Side"! > >Laugh away, laugh away. But there is something very sinister about, for >example, the thought of a **real** cookie monster. But he's easy to summon (with cookies), control (bribe him with cookies), unleash on your foes ("The guy in that building over there has a lot of cookies hidden in his basement"), and dismiss ("Sorry -- I'm out of cookies!"). SAN cost for seeing a Cookie Monster should be manageable (0/1d3). One television appearance (in a commercial) suggests that the Cookie Monster remote-controls an endloader which can dump large amounts of cookies on him, shortly after he gives a speech on nutrition. (Summon Endloader with Cookies, requires material component (whistle); SAN cost unknown; DG personnel may find uses for this spell beyond those which prompted the Cookie Monster to originate it...) > These things are only >a lickety-spit away from Toons, and we all know what evil Toons are. You know, if Bin Laden and the Taliban are Toons, we're going about this whole ENDURING FREEDOM op with the wrong ordnance! While the missiles and smart bombs can destroy their infrastructure, and damage their weapons, the Toon terrorists themselves will only Fall Down -- to get back up later, perhaps a bit flattened, perhaps a bit burnt up and blackened, but able to grab up any surviving weapons and re-enter the fray! One solution would be, as the air war graduates to a SpecOps ground war, to deliver our own Toons to the ATO (Afghan Theater of Operations). Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck would experience what Clauswitz termed "friction" in working together, but it has repeatedly been demonstrated that they are both marvelously effective in psychological warfare and guerrilla operations. Perhaps they can be utilized singly, either alone or as assets to two SF or SAS teams? Wile E. Coyote might prove very effective as a weapon, if we can arrange for Taliban forces to capture him and put him to work as a technical expert, while the Road Runner would make an excellent courier, who could easily navigate the mountain canyons of Afghanistan, and cross even minefields with impunity. If Majestic is in the picture, the "alien connection" could be exploited, by arranging for Marvin the Martian to accompany one of the Toon SpecOps teams. However, it would be important to ensure that the weapons Marvin uses do not inflict massive damage to the planet. (The Iludium Q-37 Explosive Space Mod-u-lator would be "right out"!) Along with the SpecOps, the air war against terrorist Toons could enter a new phase, with cropdusters ferried over from the US or Europe employed to deliver The Dip! As this is a WMTD (Weapon of Mass Toon Destruction), there would have to be suitable safeguards against "blue on blue" incidents, and we would have to be sure that noncombatant civilian Toons are not in the area... (We should be prepared, unfortunately, for the ememy, anxious for civilian Toon casualties to show off to the world, to use The Dip on his own noncombatant Toons and blame it on us! The best way to forestall this is to send in normal Human commandos (who are not affected by The Dip) to neutralize the enemy WMTD before he has a chance to inflict casualties on his own noncombatants.) Yes, with the Toon dimension added, it's A Whole New War (tm)! Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 3:50 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: here's a how d'yo do http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2001/10/15/world/worghost&sec =world Cellphones 'killing off ghosts' LONDON: Mobile phones are killing off ghosts, a British expert who has spent years researching the occult said yesterday. Tony Cornell, of the Society for Psychical Research, told the Sunday Express newspaper that reports of ghost sightings had started to decline when mobile phones were introduced 15 years ago. "Ghost sightings have remained consistent for centuries. "Until three years ago we'd receive reports of two new ghosts every week. "But with the introduction of mobile phones 15 years ago, ghost sightings began to decline to the point where now we are receiving none," said Cornell, of Cambridge in Eastern England The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:20 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: here's a how d'yo do On 15 October 2001, Glove Cleaner "Andy Robertson" reported: >http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2001/10/15/world/worghost&sec >=world > > > > >Cellphones 'killing off ghosts' > >LONDON: Mobile phones are killing off ghosts, a British expert who has >spent >years researching the occult said yesterday. Equally possible, of course, is that, rather than killing the ghosts, the mobile phone signals simply repel them! A lack of ghost sightings in the areas could mean that the ghosts find the signals uncomfortable enough to relocate. If so, this could afford DG and other such agencies an additional weapon in its occult-related operations! The ubiquitous cell-phone carried by the agent would not only allow him or her to report supernatural activity, but would repel supernatural Threat forces! A careful study would need to be conducted to see just how much protection, and from which entities, the phones afford. On the gripping hand, another possibility is that, rather than killing or repelling the SNEM (Super Natural Entity Manifestations), the phone signals attract them! In such a case, the reason the ghosts have not been sighted in areas of phone activity is that the SNEMs have moved into the phones themselves, in order to remain near the source of the signal! In a manner of speaking, the phones become haunted! This would also allow the SNEMs to communicate with one another, when the phone's owner isn't using it... Clues that your phone may be haunted would include unexplained calls on your bill, to other team members or to numbers you've never heard of... batteries running down more rapidly than they should, etc. Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 9:24 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: here's a how d'yo do ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Layne" > On the gripping hand, another possibility is that, rather than killing > or repelling the SNEM (Super Natural Entity Manifestations), the phone > signals attract them! In such a case, the reason the ghosts have not been > sighted in areas of phone activity is that the SNEMs have moved into the > phones themselves, in order to remain near the source of the signal! In a > manner of speaking, the phones become haunted! This puts the stories of cancer and static shocks in a whole new light. People careening across traffic lanes while shrieking into their cell phones might actually be possessed. Ditto morons in restaurants and movie theaters. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Anarchy [anarchy@agentsofchaos.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:27 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Signs of the New World Order > After you've learned the sticker code the significance of the arrows on > rest stop signs becomes clear. I might also note that the conspiracy goes > back a ways since They had to design the rest stops to have the signs make > sense. Here in NyC, we have stickers on many of the subway cars, inside them, by the doors, below the door number. The stickers are 1"x1", square, clear, and have a black star in the middle. They're for "Black Star Design", a printing/graphics company, but so many of them are on the subway trains here with no explanation that people suspect they're from gangs, cults, etc.. Simple things like this can be used for all sorts of mysterious and hidden secrets. The best way to implement them is a little at a time, tied into something (murders, disappearances, etc.). Scott / Anarchy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 11:17 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: here's a how d'yo do ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Lizard King" > From: "Michael Layne" > > > On the gripping hand, another possibility is that, rather than killing > > or repelling the SNEM (Super Natural Entity Manifestations), the phone > > signals attract them! > > This puts the stories of cancer and static shocks in a whole new light. > People careening across traffic lanes while shrieking into their cell phones > might actually be possessed. Ditto morons in restaurants and movie theaters. > Jokes apart, this has DG potential. A traditional "ghost" would not be attracted to a phone, one assumes. But any sort of (other-domain other-dimension?) entity that saw microwaves might be. >From what I can see a cell phone puts out around a watt of EM energy. So in the right spectra people carrying cell phones would look as bright as 20 watt light bulbs (which put out only a few watts light energy, remember). The people would be almost invisible compared to the phone. Think of them as translucent misty figures carrying this one bright flashing moving densely-coded winking fascinating point of light. Wouldn't you be attracted? Wouldn't you want to contact these ghosts? The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 5:34 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: here's a how d'yo do Michael Layne schrieb: [snip] > > Equally possible, of course, is that, rather than killing the ghosts, > the mobile phone signals simply repel them! A lack of ghost sightings in > the areas could mean that the ghosts find the signals uncomfortable enough > to relocate. Reminds me of what police does when dealing with junkies and homeless: Ban them from one place [ like Railway or subways stations ] to keep the city clean and neat. Will it help the problem? No, they'll just move to some other place. According to your idea ghosts will do the same. They will leave their old haunting place to move to places more cozy for a ghost. Which basically means places with no cell phone activity, no service. Therefore huge cities might very well now be nearly completely "ghost-free" due to the high cell phone activity. But since they have to "go" somewhere it is only logical that there must be plenty of ghost activity in regions without any or at least just a tiny bit of cell phone activity. In Western and Central Europe it should be very hard to find such places. Are their still white spots on the US-map concerning cell-phone service? But does that mean that ghosts will flee to desolate regions and third world countries? Or might ghosts even try to do something against mobile phones and their antennas? [ WARNING: Do not continue to read if you think that game-related speculation about the WTC desaster might show a complete and utter lack of good taste ] >From ghost stories we learn that the fact that a place, a thing a person is haunted by a ghost is regularly the result of a tragic, untimely, violent death. Murder and Suicide are common reasons for hauntings. At the WTC thousands of people got murdered in the most violent and cowardly manner. Ground Zero therefore could be one of the most haunted places in the whole world. Might be an idea for a non-mythos scenario set in Post-WTC-NYC. And will the mobile phones of NYC's population make those ghosts even more restless? BTW: In many religions suicide is regardes as something like sort of a deadly sin [ No pun intended! Really! Well....somehow...I confess ] leading to the unpleasant experience of not being allowed into the afterlife/heaven/callitwhatyouwant. Those arseholes of pilots commited suicide and murder. Both deedy are in fact not very appreciated in the Islamic tradition. This might very well result in them being not allowed into their heaven [ No thousands of willing virgins, bastard! So Sorry! ]. Therefore the WTC might at least be haunted by the ghosts of the murderers. But on the other hand those guys had been taught that they would enter heaven immediately after death. Thus they might very well be angry enough to haunt the mullahs who lied to them.... Just some brainstorming, eckhard _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nick Brownlow [stabernide@netscape.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 6:15 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: Re: [DG] Re: here's a how d'yo do <> The latest Fortean Times (not on the website yet) says that there have already been reports of 'phantom' WTC towers. <> Eckhard, you might want to check this out (a warning for the wary - the humour will not be to everyone's tastes);- http://www.theonion.com/onion3734/hijackers_surprised.html cheers, Nick __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 6:45 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: here's a how d'yo do ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eckhard Huelshoff" > Those arseholes of pilots commited suicide and murder. Both deedy are in fact > not very appreciated in the Islamic tradition. On some interpretations they were following the Koran to the letter. http://www.thehappyheretic.com/current.htm On others, not. Islam is of course as full of varying and contradictory interpretations of its holy book as is any other religion. It's a bit hard to argue what the "real" fate of the hijackers would have been, in a DG context. Are we to assume Allah is somehow real? If the hijackers went to an afterlife assigned to them by Allah, whether pleasant or unpleasant, then the whole DG worldview is wrong. OTOH perhaps there is some Mythos entity pretending to be Allah (Yaweh, Christ . . ) and living off the souls liberated by this sort of thing? Might provide an explanation for the violence that has accompanied so much religion. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 6:38 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] The essential Saltes and Teeth Good Afternoon. Scientist are exploring the genetig structure of a corpse that is thought to be that of St. Luke. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1600000/1600751.stm Might be interesting to ressurect him. eckhard _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/