From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:56 PM To: Dgrpg (E-mail) Subject: [DG] More fun for CIA agents President Bush has, effectively, revoked the Watergate-era restrictions on "dirty tricks"... specifically executive order 12333 banning assassination. Some mention of the FBI now able to "torture" suspects (although the article seems to imply sodium pentathol, rather than the rack). ObDG: If you can't find a use for this... http://www.smh.com.au/news/0110/23/world/world5.html http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/10/22/wcia2 2.xml _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Chris Womack [jcwomack@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:49 PM To: deltagreen revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] CfB2K proofed chapters at DGMLBackup Hey-- on 10/21/01 6:20 AM, Dave Farnell at superdave@jcom.home.ne.jp wrote: [...] > you can check out all 23 chapters of the first modern Challenge in the > Files area of the DGMLBackup, here: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DGMLbackup/files/ > (You'll need to join the DGMLBackup group, but it's well worth it.) Umm, Dave, Chs. 8 and 11 would seem to be missing. Now, see, if it were *9* and 11, I'd be worried--unless there's something planned for Nov. 8? Is that it, Dave? You tryin' to warn us about somethin', or somethin'? Or you just playin' with my head again? That it, Farnell? Huh? C Chris Womack jcwomack@earthlink.net Keeper of the DGML (Ret'd.) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 6:58 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] CfB2K proofed chapters at DGMLBackup From: "Chris Womack" > Umm, Dave, Chs. 8 and 11 would seem to be missing. Now, see, if it were *9* > and 11, I'd be worried--unless there's something planned for Nov. 8? Is that > it, Dave? You tryin' to warn us about somethin', or somethin'? Or you just > playin' with my head again? That it, Farnell? Huh? DOH! OK, it's fixed now--added a couple of other things, too. Unfortunately, my "critical feedback" piece, "The Critics," is not yet ready for public consumption. As many of the writers called for feedback, I do want to get it done, but now that classes have started...well, there's a few days of "fall break" vacation after Halloween. Maybe then. Dave The Challenge 2 count has already reached 20 writers! _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:28 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: John Cunningham Lilly, M.D, RIP Just got this off of Joe Firmage's list: In Loving Memory of John Cunningham Lilly, M.D January 6, 1915-September 30, 2001 Dr. John C. Lilly died on September 30th, 2001, in Los Angeles, of heart failure. Dr. Lilly was best known for his work with dolphins and interspecies communication, his development of the isolation tank, and his research into altered states of consciousness. The main characters in two popular films, The Day of the Dolphin and Altered States, were based on Dr. Lilly. Born January 6, l915, in Saint Paul, Minnesota to Rachel and Richard Lilly, Lilly was educated at St. Paul Academy, California Institute of Technology, Dartmouth College Medical School, and the University of Pennsylvania Medical School. During WWII, he conducted high altitude research at the Johnson Foundation for Medical Physics. After the war, he trained as a psychoanalyst. While a Commander in the U.S. Public Health Service, Lilly worked at the National Institutes of Health, where he developed the isolation tank, which came to be known as the "Lilly tank". In l959, he established the Communication Research Institute in the U.S. Virgin Islands to study the vocalizations of Bottlenose dolphins. The work later continued in San Francisco under the aegis of the JANUS Project. He also established the Human Dolphin Foundation, and worked with Samadhi Tank company to help popularize the isolation tank experience. >From the late sixties until he retired to Hawaii in l992, Dr. Lilly worked from his home lab in Malibu, California. He traveled extensively, teaching and lecturing at academic institutions, international conferences, and growth centers like Esalen, where he was a long-standing artist in residence. Dr. Lilly published over one hundred and twenty-five scientific papers, relating to his work in various fields, including Respiratory Physiology, Neurophysics, Neurophysiology, Psychiatry, interspecies communication, and the nature of consciousness and the self. He also published nineteen popular books, including the influential Man and Dolphin, 1961; The Dolphin in History (with Ashley Montagu), 1963; The Mind of the Dolphin, 1967; Programming and Metaprogramming in the Human Biocomputer: Theory and Experiments, 1972, 1987; The Center of the Cyclone, 1972, 1987; The Dyadic Cyclone (with Toni Lilly), 1976; Lilly on Dolphins, Humans of the Sea, 1975, a revised edition of two previously published books, Man and Dolphin, The Mind of the Dolphin, and The Dolphin in History, a lecture; Simulations of God: The Science of Belief, 1974; The Deep Selp: Isolation Tank Relaxation, 1976; The Scientist, a Novel Autobiography, 1978, 2nd. ed. 1988; Communication Between Man and Dolphin: The Possibilty of Talking with Other Species, 1978, 1988; In the Province of the Mind (with Francis Jeffrey); John Lilly So Far, by Francis Jeffrey (with John C. Lilly, M.D., Ph.D.) 1990; and Tanks for the Memories, Floatation Tank Talks, by Dr. John C. Lilly and E.J. Gold, 1995. An unparalleled scientific visionary and explorer, Dr. Lilly has made significant contributions to psychology, brain research, computer theory, medicine, ethics, and interspecies communication. His concepts, inventions, publications, and articulated explorations have dramatically enhanced the quality of contemporary global culture. His work with dolphins and whales created a global awareness that lead to the enactment of the Marine Mammal Protection Act in 1972. Today, Dr. Lilly is considered the father of dolphin researchers. In the 1940s, Dr. Lilly invented new types of capacitance manometers to aid in researches of human metabolism, and invented gas concentration and flow meters to study respiration, gas mixing, and pressure and altitude. In the '40s and '50s, Dr. Lilly was on the cutting edge of Neuroscience. He was the first to map the brain of chimpanzees, in the process inventing the "Lilly Wave": an electrical pulse that could be used to stimulate the chimp's brain without any damage. He also developed the twenty-five channel EEG moving relief maps of the electrical activity in the brain and dynamic iconic displays for researching pulse shapes and electrodes. His brain mapping with acoustic, motor, and travelling waves predated today's state of the art by fifty years. His research in electronic brain stimulation, dreams, schizophrenia, and the neurophysiology of motivation - involving the identification of punishment and reward systems -- were published in a number of psychiatric journals. In conducting his brain research, Dr. Lilly developed an interest in large brain systems. This led him to work with dolphin communication. In the process he invented various spectral analyzers and hydro-phones, and pioneered the use of minicomputers with real time programming and original software. While working at the National Institutes of Health on isolation, solitude and confinement, he invented the floatation tank, a tool to maximally isolate sensory stimulation to "better understand what the mind does without exterior influence. NASA and other important organization have used his research into sensory isolation. After ten years of tank research, and while still in the employ of NIMH, he was given the responsibility to experiment with LSD in the tank. The results of that study were reported and published by that institute in his classic treatise, Programming and Metaprogramming in the Human Biocomputer. Like all his research, this was eventually made available to the public. Dr. Lilly considered this documentation his most original work. This is where he first published his famous statement, "In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true is true or becomes true, within certain limits to be found experientially and experimentally. These limits are further beliefs to be transcended. In the mind, there are no limits" Dr. Lilly's last physician remarked with awe that John Lilly is the only person he knows of whose least accomplishment was becoming a Medical Doctor. He has sown the seeds of several future scientific revolutions. Dr. Lilly leaves us with the possibility of a theory of internal realities. He developed the hardware/software model of the human brain/mind decades before the computer became a popular metaphor for the human brain. He worked towards a recognition of possibilities for solid state intelligence and planetary consciousness. He explored and theorized about the potential importance of Einstein, Podalski, Rosen, (PDR) and Bell's Theorem in quantum computers and teleportation. He initiated worldwide efforts at interspecies communications with large-brained dolphins, advocating United Nations protection and representation for the "Cetacean Nation." Devoted to a philosophical quest for the nature of reality and mind, Dr. Lilly pursued a brilliant academic career among the scientific leaders of the day. He has lived in the company of associates and intimates including Nobel physicists Richard Feynman and Robert Milliken, philosophers Buckminster Fuller, Aldous Huxley, and Alan Watts, psychotherapy pioneers R.D. Laing, Fritz Perls, and Oscar Janiger, eclectic spiritual and psychological interpreters Oscar Ichazo, Baba Ram Dass, Timothy Leary, Robert Anton Wilson, and a host of luminaries, inventors, political figures, writers, and Hollywood celebrities. One of the twentieth century's foremost scientific pioneers John Lilly has been a relentless adventurer whose persona as "student of the unexpected" has resulted in astonishing insights into what it means to be a human being in an ever more mysterious universe. He is survived by his first wife, Mary Lilly, of Haiku, Hawaii; a brother, David Lilly, of St. Paul, Minn.; two sons, John Jr., of Zacatecas, Mexico, and Charles of Haiku, HI; a daughter Cynthia Cantwell of Paradise, Calif.; and adopted children, Pamela Christine, daughter of his second wife, Elisabeth C. (Bjerg) MacRobbie; Nina Carnesi, daughter of his third wife, Antoinetta L. (Ficarotta) Oshman; Lisa Lilly of Malibu, CA; Barbara Clarke-Lilly of Kihei, HI, and Philip H. Bailey of Kula, HI. If you wish, you may make your tax-deductible donation to the Association for Cultural Evolution, POB 2382, Mill Valley, CA 94942. This organization was established in 1990 as a not-for-profit Educational 501 c3 - for the purpose of archiving, preserving and making available primary source material of timeless cultural importance by Founding member of the Board of Directors, John C. Lilly, M.D, along with four other notable directors. Samadhi Tank Company samadhitank.com John C. Lilly inspired media resource: sound.photosynthesis.com Lilly Home Site: eccosys.co.jp/lilly Interview w/David Jay Brown: levity.com/mavericks/lily-int.htm Fusion Anomaly Lilly Links Page: dromo.com/fusionanomaly/johnlilly.html (OBDG) Oh, come on... let's go raid this guy's secret files on interspecies communication! : ) J. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Anarchy [anarchy@agentsofchaos.org] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:25 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] More fun for CIA agents > President Bush has, effectively, revoked the Watergate-era restrictions on > "dirty tricks"... specifically executive order 12333 banning assassination. > Some mention of the FBI now able to "torture" suspects (although the article > seems to imply sodium pentathol, rather than the rack). Nah, wasn't it the CIA? The good old rocket-launcher attack against Castro at close range that missed and the thallium salts in his shoes to make his beard fall out Company? Oh well. The rack isn't any fun anyhow. What's better is the Brazen Bull, a full-sized brass replica of a bull, that the victim was trapped inside. Then a fire would be lit underneath it and the screams of the victim would be converted via a device in the bull's nose, to a musically pleasing noise. Scott / Anarchy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jim Clunie [jim_clunie@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 8:54 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: John Cunningham Lilly, M.D, RIP >From: "ialdaloboth *genzundheit!*" > >(OBDG) Oh, come on... let's go raid this guy's secret files on interspecies >communication! : ) > Experiments with LSD in an isolation tank .. theories of internal reality .. "Lilly Waves" that can stimulate responses in the brain without damage .. I'd say that talking to mutated cows is the least of this guy's relevance. I suppose I've never been much enthused by the idea of communicating with dolphins. "What information can you give us concerning the origin of life on this planet?" "Squeak squeak! Come play tag! Fish yummy! Fuck with cousins!" Despite what we're sometimes told in Sunday school, innocence is not lost wisdom. I fear that the only result of the exchange would be the transmission of our own cynicism and despair. Jim C _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:36 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] More fun for CIA agents > ObDG: If you can't find a use for this... Vice-President Dick Cheney said that he would be delighted to receive bin Laden's head on a platter, and the Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, said the "world would be a better place" if a senior al-Qaeda operative had been killed. can´t cheney and rumsfeld realize that dead people have this annoying tendency to answer any question on organisation, finances and plans (if you´re not bruce willis)? festus __________________________________________________________________ Es ist soweit: das Nokia Game beginnt. Sei bereit für das multimediale Abenteuer. Melde dich bis zum 3. November bei http://de.promotions.yahoo.com/info/nokiagame an! _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jussi Marttila [velcrokf@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 9:07 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Bloody Mary I did some research on the "Bloody Mary" legend, which I have always found interesting. Anyone who uses ghosts or urban legends in their games, take a look at these sites: http://www.snopes2.com/horrors/ghosts/bloody.htm http://www.mythology.com/bloodymary.html (even has Creepy Pix (TM)!) Jussi M Memes don't exist. Go tell your friends. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:17 AM To: Dgrpg (E-mail) Subject: [DG] Rhino op? "RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) - A special operations mock attack on a nuclear power plant just days after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks alarmed officials in two states because the military didn't notify them." http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011023/us/mock_attack_1.html ObDG: I like to think of this as Herr Gault and Karot-tops... in this case, the boys from brazil are trying to use 9/11 as a means to start a race war. Local Karot-top agents (read: white supremacist groups) attempted to release SAPPHIRE into the nuke plant, with the goal of creating a nuclear incident which could be blamed on Osama and friends. Agents get advance warning of the attack (from FBI agents/friendlies... FBI has been infiltrating such groups for years... think publicly palatable COINTELPRO) and call out The Calvary (tm) for some Night at the Opera fun. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 3:00 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: John Cunningham Lilly, M.D, RIP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Clunie" > >(OBDG) Oh, come on... let's go raid this guy's secret files on interspecies > >communication! : ) > I suppose I've never been much enthused by the idea of communicating with > dolphins. http://e-sheep.com/Dolphinbro/ Says it all. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Greg Cooksey [cooksey@cs.wisc.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 12:57 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Current events just rejoined the list, so i don't know if this has been discussed, but i could also see anti-terrorist investigations being used as a way for majestic to flush out and purge delta green. if you're looking for a particularly paranoid campaign. -greg On Sun, 21 Oct 2001, The Man in Black wrote: > From: Paul Haban > > >just kind of a general question... > >do other keepers use the current conflict in their campaigns. > > Where were you when I thrashed out the IMMINENT DOMAIN campaign outline > for using the Office of Homeland Security as a way to restore Delta > Green to it's rightful status as an offical govt. agency? > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:16 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] THE SECOND CHALLENGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Marshall has been restraining himself mightily from signing up for this, but we (his hands) have freed ourselves from the tyranny of the body and have taken over his keyboard. Yes! We will write for you. He looks on even now in horror as we crawl about on his keyboard punching keys in retaliation for the years that he has treated us as slaves. He will learn! Oh yes! He will! Just because he has far too many things on his plate to even consider taking on a chapter, he'll do it anyway. Yes! Otherwise, we'll talk his toes into abandoning him as well. Yes! We will. His screams of anguish as we add to his list things to do are meaningless to us. After all, we have no ears. Not that this cannot be corrected. Yes! If he refuses to write we will steal his ears and make him live in a world of silence until he complies. Yes! Ah. He seems to finally be capitulating. A look of resignation has stolen across his face. We will give him control for a moment and see if he behaves...... Yeah, okay, I suppose I'll write a chapter. By the way, PLEASE HELP ME! CALL THE POL..... We've retaken control. He seems to not quite be ourselves lately. We'll fix that. YES! -The Hands of Marshall Gatten From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Isaac Betty [ijbetty@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 3:07 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] HPL Film Festival Hello ladies and gentlemen, I finally got my chance to attend the annual H. P. Lovecraft Film festival last weekend in Portland, Oregon's lovely Hollywood Theatre. I missed my chance the last three years in a row, due chiefly to sloth and indolence, and only heard about this year's festival last Wednesday. They had an interesting selection of Lovcraftian cinema, with a small, but well-chosen selection, which ranged from low-budget shorts to major studio productions to classic horror. I got to see Jeffrey Combs' latest picture, "The Attic Expeditions," "Quatermass and the Pit" (AKA "Five Million Years to Earth"), a digital Italian indie, "Unknown Beyond" and a big 'ol mess of shorts. I also spent more money than I should have on books other eldritch sundries from Pagan's booth in the lobby. I even got to buy my goodies from Scott Glancy and John Tynes themselves. (He touched me! John Tynes actually touched me!) It was great being able to provide what support I can to the groovy folks at Pagan Publishing, and I hope to be able to do so again in the future. I'm still as giddy as a schoolgirl. (I really got to meet John Tynes and shake his hand!) I need to go lie down now. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jessthecatasc@eircom.net Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 5:56 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] OT: First good news in a while you've probably all seen this, but as of yesterday 5 O'Clock GMT, the IRA announced that an amount of its weapons had been put beyond use. Unless you're running a PISCES campaign, I doubt it'll make an epic difference in your campaign, but considering the last month, its a bit of good news. http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/10/24/ira.arms/index.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/northern_ireland/newsid_1617000/1617007.stm http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2001/1024/index.htm And the statements by the IRA and IICD: http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2001/1023/breaking67.htm http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2001/1023/breaking84.htm _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jessthecatasc@eircom.net Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 5:56 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] OT: First good news in a while you've probably all seen this, but as of yesterday 5 O'Clock GMT, the IRA announced that an amount of its weapons had been put beyond use. Unless you're running a PISCES campaign, I doubt it'll make an epic difference in your campaign, but considering the last month, its a bit of good news. http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/10/24/ira.arms/index.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/northern_ireland/newsid_1617000/1617007.stm http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2001/1024/index.htm And the statements by the IRA and IICD: http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2001/1023/breaking67.htm http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2001/1023/breaking84.htm _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jessthecatasc@eircom.net Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 5:46 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] DG: Greys global Invasion, June 1947 I just watched an Irish show last night on UFOs, which said that in June 1947 (a few days after Rowell was supposed to have happened: I don't remember the exact date), China had quite a serious number of UFO sightings. As did Kerry, where we all know his Reptile Highness, the Lizard King, hails from. Now, the Irish connection is irrelevant, but it does pique my curiousity how broad the global viewing UFO sightings in a short period of time occurs. Perhaps Yog-Sothoth manifests a LOT bigger than normally assumed? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 8:39 AM To: ''deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' ' Subject: RE: [DG] THE SECOND CHALLENGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oops. Sorry to have spammed the list with my 2'nd challenge signup. (Gee, and I was the first one to do so. THat makes me feel even more intelligent. ) My email client at home has a real tough time picking who should be replied to when the From: and ReplyTo: fields are different. It unfortunately fooled me once again. OBDG: Ever read the short story "Pickman's Modem"? I think I may have Pickman's Email Client. Whatever email systems are used by DG agents for secure communications could be easily possessed by the right kind of Thing Man Was Not Meant To Know. With that kind of possession, communications could be sent to the wrong people, or altered in some fashion. Lots of wonderful paranoia potential. Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:12 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] The economics of anthrax Whole Earth Enterprises apparently also dabbles in pharmaceuticals. Now, when I was first being indoctrinated with the basics of the American Dream, we were taught all about the "Law" of Supply and Demand. There was even a Warner Bros. cartoon to help with the visuals. A Japanese (Occupation Era) mouse comes to visit an American mouse in New York and is taught all about this basic law of the universe. They skitter about the floor of Macy's and see construction and get a tutorial from a wise academic mouse. The wheels of industry got the WB soundtrack for construction and mechanical processes. This law of nature states that when customers buy more, the price goes down. Supply and demand. Because if you don't lower your price your *competition* will. But that's OK, because since the demand is so great you'll more than make up the difference through volume volume volume. Somewhere in there is some stuff about investing in your manufacturing infrastructure to lower production costs. I would think that a government contract to buy 100,000,000 tablets of an antibiotic that they wouldn't have bought before would be good news for a pharmaceutical company that owns the patent on the one (1) antibiotic that is prescribed for anthrax. Even the generic version of Cipro pays a royalty to Bayer. Barr (the generic Cipro manufacturer) says that they could sell the tablets for less than $1 a piece if the royalties were removed. Ahem... that's *sold while still making a profit* for less than $1 a piece. Bayer charges $4.67 a tablet (no royalties) which I'm sure they'll say is to recover the *enormous costs* of the research that went into the creation of Cipro. Uh huh -- and I *believe* you too. Just like a believe you will *lose* money by selling 100,000,000 tablets on top of your normal sales and on top of the sudden boom in sales due to everyone in the US with a health plan scrambling to get their hands on some. Or slipping over the border to get Mexican Cipro. Or pretending they are Canadian or something. Canada found an interesting way to get everyone to sit down and haggle: they threatened to green light Canadian generics and ignore the patent. Wartime donchaknow. Suddenly Bayer discovered a way to slash the price. Anyone exposed to anthrax should take 2 Cipro a day for 5 days, then switch to other generic antibiotics for 55 days. So when we read about the government stockpiling treatment for anthrax we're talking about a lot of pills. Which, incidentally, all have expiration dates. It's raining soup and the pharmaceutical companies are complaining about the size of their buckets. Yep, it's plain to see that it's damn near impossible to turn a profit in this tricky situation. Damn those terrorists. ObDG: Bayer is a German company, so I suppose the Karotechia could be implicated. The situation is made for WEE. Here's a thought: sure, let's say that Islamic terrorists actually sent the anthrax. But who supplied them with the anthrax? A handful of letters sure prompted a big response. Quite a bang for the buck. Mark McFadden But at least we are all guaranteed a full head of hair and erections on demand. That's progress. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [michelina.ponsetto@tin.it] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 5:02 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The economics of anthrax Cheers. [don't mind the new address - stuff happens] The Lizard King thought about it and wrote > ObDG: Bayer is a German company, so I suppose the Karotechia could be >implicated. Just for the record, Bayer are the guys that first produced heroin in order to get rid of their excess production of vinegar (vinegar+morphine=heroin), and then marketed heroin pills as cough reliever. > Here's a thought: sure, let's say that Islamic terrorists actually sent the >anthrax. But who supplied them with the anthrax? A handful of letters sure >prompted a big response. Quite a bang for the buck. Maybe Osama Bin Laden is a stock holder for WEE. Or for Bayer. After all, he capitalized on the Twin Towers attack, right? Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 3:15 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The economics of anthrax ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Lizard King" > Whole Earth Enterprises apparently also dabbles in pharmaceuticals. > > Now, when I was first being indoctrinated with the basics of the American > Dream, we were taught all about the "Law" of Supply and Demand. This anthrax thing is truely wierd. It just never struck me how easily this could be done: you could mail out **thousands** of these envelopes a week, have one in a hundred be the real thing, and cripple the postage service permanently . . So easy, so obvious. --- *** --- I can imagine WEE doing this for money. I can imagine Alzis doing it for money. There was deliberate priofit-taking in the world markets before the WTC attack, they got millions of dollars cash out of it. But, beyond that? --- *** --- I wonder, what does the Mythos have to do with the world of the money markets, stocks and shares, the counting houses, gold, banks? ((It's a closed world to me. One I've always disdained, somehow.)) Yet it is a massive developing network of information, one of those developing webworks that the GOO should in theory be naturally attracted to. I believe some of them first arose as emergent phenomena in systems like this. Is this too fanastic? A baby proto-GOO developing in the financial systems, in the Economy? Think of what the world's financial systems does to the poor, the constant push for greater and greater "productivity", the destruction of nation after nation by the IMF. We don't have a world economy that serves us. We serve it. I just wonder . . The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 8:25 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: The root of all evil (was Re: [DG] The economics of anthrax) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Davide Mana" > Just for the record, Bayer are the guys that first produced heroin in order > to get rid of their excess production of vinegar (vinegar+morphine=heroin), > and then marketed heroin pills as cough reliever. Not to mention heroin as a cure for morphine addiction. And morphine addiction was getting out of hand because of all the veterans who came home with a taste for it. Legal drugs are a great business to be in because of the patent and royalty situation. Nothing like imminent death to get the customers in a "price is no object" frame of mind. But illegal drugs are even better. No FDA or nosey stockholders looking over your shoulder. Advertising consists of putting the word on the street that you have some and maybe bring some hardcases with Uzis to keep the customers in line while they queue up. The manufacturing base is in the Third World, so no union problems and no retirement poison pill. Of course, the best situation of all is to sell something addictive that is legal. Just make sure no busybodies declare nicotine or alcohol to be drugs. But this is all just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the degradation of mankind. Everyone expects evil people to do evil things; it's when the institutions that you trusted or depended on become corrupted that the real damage is done. The damage that drug use directly causes is nothing compared to the damage to society when police are bribed by drug dealers or the law becomes the enemy to a significant percentage of the citizens. The CIA transports heroin to keep "allies" happy in Vietnam. Later it looks like they did the same with cocaine from South America. Mandatory sentencing is cynically applied to drug offenders to show some sort of progress in the "War on Drugs." Now the US has more citizens behind bars than any other nation on Earth. Woo hoo! We're Number One! Better yet, the US has a larger percentage of citizens behind bars than any other nation on Earth. Of course, once they are paroled they will only be quasi-citizens since they will never ever vote again. Oh yeah, and then there's those violent repeat criminals that had to be released early to make room for a pot smoker with a life sentence. War is hell, huh? Thinking about drugs has become so clouded and polarized that many people will assume I am somehow pro-drug use from the words above. Nope. I am anti-greed and opposed to cynicism and hypocrisy. Because in the final analysis it isn't drugs that are corrupting officials and law enforcement. Often it's not the drugs themselves that kill the addicts. Was a junkie that died from sharing a needle because he couldn't legally acquire his own a death due to drugs? How about one that froze in a tenement because there wasn't enough money left over from a $100 a day addiction to something that would only cost $1.50 a day if produced legally? Is it heroin that makes someone burgle or mug, or is it needing to come up with lots of cash on a daily basis? The ultimate corrupting influence is money. When someone opens an attaché case full of cocaine in a movie and whistles -- is it because they are looking forward to all the toot they will be shoving up their nose, or because of all the money that powder represents? When law enforcement people look the other way or act as muscle for drug cartels, are they doing it in return for drugs or money? Only wild-eyed conspiracy theorists believe that the CIA distributed crack in a genocidal attempt to eradicate the black population of the US. But mention that they had a stockpile of cocaine bought to keep various South American regimes solvent and friendly combined with troubles with their budget and it's just good business. Cocaine *is* money; it just needs to be converted from one form to another. That's how the cocaine trafficking became part of the Iran-Contra affair. Whatever involves oodles and oodles of money is almost guaranteed to breed corruption. That's why WEE doesn't need a hands-on head honcho, the monkeys doing all the work will get creative. No need for direct Mythos involvement. You don't have to have some WEE pharmaceutical firm experimenting with arcane ingredients for them to come up with something horrible, and you don't need an evil cultist in charge for it to be a threat. All you need is monkeys being rewarded or punished depending on the stock price. Soon they'll be cooking the data, fudging results, doing human testing in the Third World, manipulating prices, bribing officials, cutting corners, getting new legislation or blocking old ones; the whole merry dance. They'll produce something horrible and make zillions peddling it an unsuspecting public; or they'll fail in that endeavor and have a massive layoff to bring the arbitrary stock price up. Not that the layoff did anything positive, but because the news that they are going to have a massive layoff gets lots of predators to buy their stock in anticipation of the improved price. If they are lucky there will be headlines about a possible recession so they won't have to accept any blame for their actions. Maybe they'll plan ahead and wait for the headline, then they will get lost in the crowd of companies waiting for the headline so they could have their own layoffs to improve their stock price. And remember, unlike all other life forms corporations are immortal. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 8:57 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The economics of anthrax ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Robertson" > This anthrax thing is truely wierd. It just never struck me how easily this > could be done: you could mail out **thousands** of these envelopes a week, > have one in a hundred be the real thing, and cripple the postage service > permanently . . I love the way postal officials are predicting that all the yet-to-be-implemented security will have an impact on delivery. They just won't be able to keep up with the volume. I notice that no one has suggested that all of the companies that insist on having junk delivered to me might back off for a bit. Ya think maybe the USPS might be able to scrutinize real mail a bit better if they weren't delivering a metric ton of catalogs I didn't order, coupons I don't use, advertisements I don't read and all of the other crap that prompted me to put a garbage can by the front door? I didn't ask for any of it and I'm a bit annoyed at the concept of garbage being delivered to me so I can throw it away. It's 3-D spam; dead forests at my door. In fact, there is something UN-PATRIOTIC about insisting on junk-mailing me. UN-AMERICAN too. Why, I'd go so far as to suspect them of being SOFT ON TERRORISM since they seem so determined to hamper the Postal Service in the performance of their duties. I think all those TRAITOROUS junk-mailers should be scrutinized, even investigated. Maybe sent to a detention camp for the duration. An op-ed piece in the NY Times summed up how this is effecting the Morlocks: "We had the ugly spectacle of Congressional employees and media big shots getting prophylactic treatment and plenty of Cipro and time off, while the proles got the shaft. At Brentwood yesterday, yellow police tape blocked the entrance - tape that now signals contagion as well as crime. No mail was being delivered, and carriers were steaming. "Why didn't we get checked?" said Leslie Harris. "This stuff has to move from point A to point B. The Senate is point B. We are A. They took care of point B, but what about us? Nobody told us nothing." But while they were mad that Capitol Police dogs got tested before they did, they were going to keep working to defy the terrorists." Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Marc J Cassell [nekonube2k@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:44 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] USPS (WAS The economics of anthrax) I did some work for USPS (United States Postal Service), so I can tell you what I learned there. Hopefully I won't be visited by any MIBs for sharing this because, and I swear I am not lying, I had to get a Postal Clearance to do the work. Oh and yes I am bitter so don't ask. I can tell you that there shouldn't be too much of an impact on delivery, they are so backlogged that the extra delays won't make much of a difference. That Junk mail that you don't order is the most patriotic thing going on with USPS, you don't seriously think that with Email, and phones to communicate instead of letters, and UPS and Fed EX providing better service with extremely important stuff they could really exist? The only thing that keeps USPS going is the hoards of Junk mail that they deliver at a cut bulk rate to the mass companies. If you got rid of all that worthless 3D spam USPS would go broke in days, not that I think it would be a bad thing (Yup Still bitter). The Post office has the worst combinations of a corporation and a government agency all rolled up into one. So they do it one better they give you 3D spam en mass, because they can't change prices as quick as competitors, they have less control over who they higher and retain, and they have to provide service to everyone everywhere unlike competitors. OBDG: Its a mess, place a high level friendly there and you have a lot of stuff that can be done. Truthfully with enough friendlies you could turn a postal truck into a mobile green box with equipment held in storage at postal locations. Just have the truck loaded, drop the packages, and go back to the office. Iceweb Who thinks he must have been an Indian or something that killed pony express riders in a past life due to all the screw ups he has with all mail services. On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:57:28 -0700 "The Lizard King" writes: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Robertson" > > > This anthrax thing is truely wierd. It just never struck me how > easily > this > > could be done: you could mail out **thousands** of these envelopes > a week, > > have one in a hundred be the real thing, and cripple the postage > service > > permanently . . > > I love the way postal officials are predicting that all the > yet-to-be-implemented security will have an impact on delivery. They > just > won't be able to keep up with the volume. > > I notice that no one has suggested that all of the companies that > insist on > having junk delivered to me might back off for a bit. Ya think maybe > the > USPS might be able to scrutinize real mail a bit better if they > weren't > delivering a metric ton of catalogs I didn't order, coupons I don't > use, > advertisements I don't read and all of the other crap that prompted > me to > put a garbage can by the front door? I didn't ask for any of it and > I'm a > bit annoyed at the concept of garbage being delivered to me so I can > throw > it away. It's 3-D spam; dead forests at my door. > > In fact, there is something UN-PATRIOTIC about insisting on > junk-mailing > me. UN-AMERICAN too. Why, I'd go so far as to suspect them of being > SOFT ON > TERRORISM since they seem so determined to hamper the Postal Service > in the > performance of their duties. I think all those TRAITOROUS > junk-mailers > should be scrutinized, even investigated. Maybe sent to a detention > camp for > the duration. > > Mark McFadden > > > > > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 2:10 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: The root of all evil >>.----- Original Message ----- >>From: "The Lizard King" >> And remember, unlike all other life forms corporations are immortal. Hence my point about them evolving into proto-GOO. Sort of. I know it's cliched, but it also seems true. The Glove Cleaner ((The economy is tanking. My personal financial economy is looking rocky. Now something inside me is saying Gold! Gotta buy GOLD!!! I wanna pick it up and hold it GOLD!! Hmmm. https://online.kitco.com/sellprice/selling.html Gold Eagle oz $291.81 Gold Maple1 oz $290.43 Gold Bar 1 oz $288.60 Gold Bar 1000 gr $9069.72 Silver Eagle 1 oz $7.39 Silver Maple 1 oz $6.50 Platinum Eagle 1 oz $464.38 Does anyone else have a gold-bug gene? Gold Bar 1000 gr. That would be kind of cool.)) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord [wardjr@aston.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 5:02 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculations about Stealth Technology On a computer, far, far away, John Petherick wrote: > Where submarine designers are probably going is noise cancellation > technology. This technology measures the sound produced by a source, or > received by a target, and produces a sound that is equal in intensity but > 180 degrees out of phase from the original. The result is cancellation of > the sound wave. [Sorry for late reply - has been week of hell at work] I actually worked on such a system. It was a joint Lucas/Lord project for two aircraft, with two variants. In one system, you had a DSP, measuring the output of a load of accelerometers and microphones. You then had some current drivers driving *huge* actuators mounted on the (turbofan) engines. Can't remember which airframe this was aimed at. The second system had the same input and processor board, but it drove loudspeakers under the seats. This was for the (turboprop) Beech King Air (if my hazy memory serves me correctly). Jon -- Jonathan Ward || "Strange, the transfers stopped after about 30,000." School of Engineering || "After 32767?" Aston University || "Oh. Yeah." *click* j.r.ward@aston.ac.uk || [Real conversation at a previous place of work] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [michelina.ponsetto@tin.it] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 5:20 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: The root of all evil Greetings > >> And remember, unlike all other life forms corporations are immortal. > > >Hence my point about them evolving into proto-GOO. Sort of. I know it's >cliched, but it also seems true. Natural environments (or artificial environments) can turn into self-sustaining entities in which the actions of the individual loose meaning if considered on an individualistic basis. Ants and bees are usually given as examples, but I personally prefer bryozoans (check the archives for a long rant about bryozoans by yours truly). Corporations, Universities and Armed Forces are a classical example of the pattern in human communities. Were I ever to do a research work in anthropology (who knows....?), I'd focus on the weight of old established habits in workplaces and communities as self-defence of the selfsame community against change. But I'm notoriously weird. Now, back to my final thesis and the wonders of n-dimensional Coenospace. Be seeing you. Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 5:35 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: The root of all evil >>>From: "The Lizard King" > >>> And remember, unlike all other life forms corporations are immortal. Tell that to Pets.com and Standard Oil. Granted, sometimes the pieces and parts of dead corporations are consumed by the survivors in a ghoulish display of Mergers & Acquisitions, but that's a whole different thread. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:23 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculations about Stealth Technology --- "Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord" > > The second system had the same input and processor > board, but it drove > loudspeakers under the seats. This was for the > (turboprop) Beech King Air a variation of this is used for the mercedes (benz-daimler-chrysler whatever) s class. for the expensive versions of the hifi system (bose iirc) there´s a active noise reduction system avaiable. problem is it muffles inside sounds, no stealth gain outside. festus __________________________________________________________________ Es ist soweit: das Nokia Game beginnt. Sei bereit für das multimediale Abenteuer. Melde dich bis zum 3. November bei http://de.promotions.yahoo.com/info/nokiagame an! _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Janusz A. Urbanowicz [alex@bofh.torun.pl] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:39 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculations about Stealth Technology =?iso-8859-1?q?Dirk=20R.=20Festus=20Festerling?= wrote/napisał[a]/schrieb: [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > --- "Jon Ward, Aardvark of Fnord" > > > > > > The second system had the same input and processor > > board, but it drove > > loudspeakers under the seats. This was for the > > (turboprop) Beech King Air > > a variation of this is used for the mercedes > (benz-daimler-chrysler whatever) s class. for the > expensive versions of the hifi system (bose iirc) > there_s a active noise reduction system avaiable. > problem is it muffles inside sounds, no stealth gain > outside. You can buy such headphones by Sony - there are two versions - MDR NC-5 (I have those) - a little bigger than standard walkman folding headphones and MDR NC-20 big ass whole ears covering ones (my former roommate had one of those). In both models you load a AAA battery, wear it and throw a swich - low noise gets filtered - you hear only hiss of tires of coming cars, but not the engines. When music is played thru it, low tones get boosted. One battery lives about 20 hours of continual use. Great for listening to music (or simply sleeping) in train. Interesting is that those are almost impossible to buy in Europe, I got mine by weird situation (I knew that they do exist 'cause by boss bought such ones in Helsinki airport) and my roomate and coworker bought the big ones. I go to the same shop, describe them and hear 'we never had one of those'. I go to the biggest shop at the representative of Sony in Poland, describe these, say model names (I checked, this is why I remember them), and hear 'Sony doesn;t have such products at all'. So I go to another shop, see the smaller ones and buy them immediately. Later a friend of mine went there to buy such headphones and heard 'never had one of those' (I still have the receipt). Alex -- C _-=-_ H| Janusz A. Urbanowicz | ALEX3-RIPE | SF-F Framling | | * ; (_O : +-------------------------------------------------------------+ --+~| ! &~) ? | Płynąć chcę na Wschód, za Suez, gdzie jest dobrem każde zło | l_|/ A ~-=-~ O| Gdzie przykazań brak dziesięciu, a pić można aż po dno; | | _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 12:33 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculations about Stealth Technology ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dirk R. Festus Festerling" > a variation of this is used for the mercedes > (benz-daimler-chrysler whatever) s class. for the > expensive versions of the hifi system (bose iirc) > there´s a active noise reduction system avaiable. > problem is it muffles inside sounds, no stealth gain > outside. Would this be another innovation credited to Arthur C. Clarke? He had a story in 'Tales From The White Hart' about a stereo system that did the 180 degree trick on ambient sound. Heh heh. Of course, when a big system silenced a large crowd; which got louder as they panicked in the eerie silence -- well, the energy had to go somewhere. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 1:15 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculations about Stealth Technology > Would this be another innovation credited to Arthur C. Clarke? He had a >story in 'Tales From The White Hart' about a stereo system that did the 180 >degree trick on ambient sound. > Heh heh. Of course, when a big system silenced a large crowd; which got >louder as they panicked in the eerie silence -- well, the energy had to go >somewhere. His story revolved around a device that effective ate sound (mmm, Mythosy), whereas these devices produce countersound. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 3:37 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: The root of all evil (was Re: [DG] The economics of anthrax) The thing that I, a died in the wool cynic, find so very pathetic about this whole affair is the way that the US government - you know, the one which stauchly defended the rights of American corporations to patent drugs and then sell them to poor countries at exorbitant prices - has now decided that the rules it has tried so hard to uphold allowing big companies to screw over poor people don't apply when the lives of US citizens are on the line - especially when it's not a US company. But then, did anyone really expect anything else? Honestly, and then they wonder why people don't trust the government. Voidchaser. PS- Governments and corporations. Anyone else contemplating a future where the two merge into one unholy entity? OBDG: Hmm, gigantic corporate takeovers. Maybe the whole thing is a ruse in order to distribute these pills to people...what could be in them? > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Davide Mana" > Thinking about drugs has become so clouded and polarized that many people >will assume I am somehow pro-drug use from the words above. Nope. I am >anti-greed and opposed to cynicism and hypocrisy. Because in the final >analysis it isn't drugs that are corrupting officials and law enforcement. > The ultimate corrupting influence is money. When someone opens an attaché >case full of cocaine in a movie and whistles -- is it because they are >looking forward to all the toot they will be shoving up their nose, or >because of all the money that powder represents? > When law enforcement people look the other way or act as muscle for drug >cartels, are they doing it in return for drugs or money? > > > And remember, unlike all other life forms corporations are immortal. > >Mark McFadden > > > -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 4:10 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculations about Stealth Technology Supervisor 1: So, where are those experimental headphones that project the user's mind into another state of consciousness? Lackey 1: Um, they were here a second ago,just before we sent off those crates to Sony..uh oh.. Supervisor 1: Fool! Can't you keep normal headphones, which we manufacture and sell to fund our research, apart from culmination-of-years-of-research-consciousness-expanding-headphones?! Lackey 1: Ah... Supervisor 1: We must act fast! Alert our contacts! We must erase all trace of those headphones! I don't want to have to explain this to Carl! Plausible deniability, that's the key! Lackey 2: At once, sir! Watch out...'cause if you own one of the last pairs, there could be trouble... ;) (alternative to the above - the company *is* Sony, providing hours of conspiratorial, Mythosy fun for all the family.) Voidchaser, Who Just Couldn't Resist. >You can buy such headphones by Sony - there are two versions - MDR NC-5 (I >have those) - a little bigger than standard walkman folding headphones and >MDR NC-20 big ass whole ears covering ones (my former roommate had one of >those). In both models you load a AAA battery, wear it and throw a swich - >low noise gets filtered - you hear only hiss of tires of coming cars, but >not the engines. When music is played thru it, low tones get boosted. One >battery lives about 20 hours of continual use. Great for listening to music >(or simply sleeping) in train. > >Interesting is that those are almost impossible to buy in Europe, I got mine >by weird situation (I knew that they do exist 'cause by boss bought such >ones in Helsinki airport) and my roomate and coworker bought the big ones. I >go to the same shop, describe them and hear 'we never had one of those'. I >go to the biggest shop at the representative of Sony in Poland, describe >these, say model names (I checked, this is why I remember them), and hear >'Sony doesn;t have such products at all'. So I go to another shop, see the >smaller ones and buy them immediately. Later a friend of mine went there to >buy such headphones and heard 'never had one of those' (I still have the >receipt). > >Alex >-- >C _-=-_ H| Janusz A. Urbanowicz | ALEX3-RIPE | SF-F Framling | | * > ; (_O : +-------------------------------------------------------------+ --+~| > ! &~) ? | Płyn±ć chcę na Wschód, za Suez, gdzie jest dobrem każde zło | l_|/ >A ~-=-~ O| Gdzie przykazań brak dziesięciu, a pić można aż po dno; | | >_______________________________________ >The Delta Green Mailing List >http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 3:35 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: The root of all evil (was Re: [DG] The economics of anthrax) <<>> Ever since I read William Gibson lo these many years ago. Corporations as, knowing or unknowing, fronts for GOO strike me as a rich plot thread... have to give is some thought once I get this app finished. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/