From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jessthecatasc@eircom.net Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 5:54 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Media Barons and the Smoking Men As for all white men, Or all white, period, and the media, well, Mutant X started here a week back. Now, I shan't comment on the terrible acting or production values, or its bizzare bastardhood of X-Men and the Matrix. What did pique my curiousity that in todays very multicultural TV shows (Eg Star Trek, B5, Seven Days) theres usually at least one non-white person. Mutant X seems to be "Adam and the Super Aryans". Same with Roswell, and by proxy (cause its just a rip-off) Vampire High. In fact, most of the trashy TV shows I can remember in the last week seem distinctly aryan. Have Special K got some connection with BMG we should know about? But my point being - we all "knew" the media was controlled by white men. But now it seems to be going back to the 1950s level of integration. Just a thought I had. - The Nuge _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 6:07 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Media Barons and the Smoking Men ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Lizard King" > > Both in the real world and in the DG universe there are multiple focii of > > manipulation and propaganda. > > Yep. I don't want to play Point\Counterpoint here, because I agree with > most of the observations in your post. However, (and you knew that was > coming, didn't you Andy?) I'm not so sure about the polarization between > liberal and conservative, or Conservative and Liberal. Damn. I have a feeling we are skating a bit close to unacceptably OT here. I know I started it. Basically, I will just say that I agree with you about the shell game. The real division is not so much left/right as top/down, as usual, with an enormous concentration of force and media power at the top. And this does fit in with DG, loosely. It's not just that the conflict is harsh or horrifying, but that the real fight is along a different dimension, at right angles to the bit people actually see. ((No, I can't respond fittingly to the rest of your post. To be honest, I am just too tired. 1am here. Getting old. Spent a long day playing with the kids &c. So I'm gonna pass it over with a thank you for the wise words. I shouldn't have used political labels so carelessly, I ope I do understand the subtelties you are so patiently and peacemakingly trying to explain.)) > Who profits? Follow the money. You got that right. The Glove Cleaner ((Me, I wish I was up in the mountains with ten thousand armed fellow tribesmen and an AK-47. How long till the nukes, do you think?)) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 8:16 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Media Barons and the Smoking Men ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Robertson" > Damn. I have a feeling we are skating a bit close to unacceptably OT here. > I know I started it. > > Basically, I will just say that I agree with you about the shell game. The > real division is not so much left/right as top/down, as usual, with an > enormous concentration of force and media power at the top. > > And this does fit in with DG, loosely. Yeah, more deep background and atmosphere rather than something Investigators can shoot at. Maybe someone can salvage some NPC dialogue out of it. > ((No, I can't respond fittingly to the rest of your post. To be honest, I > am just too tired. 1am here. Getting old. Spent a long day playing with > the kids &c. So I'm gonna pass it over with a thank you for the wise > words. I shouldn't have used political labels so carelessly, I ope I do > understand the subtelties you are so patiently and peacemakingly trying to > explain.)) That's why I like this List. You got it! I was worried that what I wrote could be easily misinterpreted as the beginning of a Liberal vs Conservative pisserama, which it wasn't meant to be. And don't worry about using the labels carelessly, because everyone does sooner or later. I rage against the machine and still find myself rooting for some agenda or other until I slap myself and look again. I know I should be watching the dealer and the shills, but those cards are so pretty while they are shuffled, and I could swear I saw one corner turned up just a bit on the Red Queen. Maybe *this* time... Also, sorry for using Republicrats in all my examples. I tried to add some UK content with the football chants, but that was about all I felt comfortable with. See? I said football instead of soccer. I'm trying, I'm trying. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 9:31 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] The Hyper Dimensional Resonator The latest from the Cruel Site of the Day (http://www.cruel.com/) , a fella from Nebraska selling a time machine for only $360. http://www.home.inreach.com/dov/tt.htm Includes a link to his interview in Strange Magazine and a schematic of the Hyper Dimensional Resonator. For extra fun check out his other plans available on the order form. "REPORT #1: HOW TO CONSTRUCT THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT ON A SIMPLIFIED SCALE. Contains diagrams and schematics, plus Grid Point information. $19.95" Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of TheGreatCthulhuz@aol.com Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 9:40 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Hyper Dimensional Resonator Absolute crap. On a side note: check your discovery reruns. 3 years ago they did a special on cutting edge military technologies. Including in this special was experimental "cloak" suits which litterally bend light around the surrounded object, created nothing but the usual science-fiction distortion of space around the subject. A fully loaded APC along with a platoon of soldiers demolished a simulated opposition by being able to completely sneak up on them, even though gaurds were there. No protection from infrared scanning is public, but hey-we can dream. There has been ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION of this technology outside of that special that I know of. It was, at the time, in the experimental stages. 3 years from then, it makes you wonder... it would make for an interesting DG op, recovering a couple suits of those things for DG use. The really interesting part comes when: how do you track it down? From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 8:39 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Media Barons and the Smoking Men The idea of the socialist media is one that I've heard of for some time. But over time, I've come to wonder whether the media isn't more pro-business than anything else. The folks at the front counter (reporters, writers, anchors) might tend to be left-leaning, but when you go back to talk to the bean counters you're suddenly in the realm of Big Money. And Big Money is a right-wing motherfucker. J. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Mr. A.C. Marcy [sarnath7@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 11:33 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: Conspiracy Question Just curious, but I once heard the person who detained/captured/rescued Werner von Braun was Clay Shaw, who was arrested by Jim Garrison for supposedly having an involvement in the JFK assassination. I figured someone on this mailing list would know something. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:11 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: Conspiracy Question ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. A.C. Marcy" > Just curious, but I once heard the person who detained/captured/rescued > Werner von Braun was Clay Shaw, Found something at http://members.aol.com/scribblguy/torbitt9.htm "Von Braun first met Clay Shaw in 1945 when he, Walter Dornberger and about 150 other Nazi rocket scientists abandoned Peenemunde and traveled south to join the American forces in Germany close to the French border. The Nazis were brought to the Deputy Chief of Staff's headquarters where Major Clay Shaw was aide-de-camp to General Charles O. Thrasher, Deputy Chief, European Theatre of Operations. Von Braun, Dornberger, and Shaw maintained the relationship over the years through their mutual connection with the Defense Industrial Security Command, an operational arm of the counter-espionage division of the FBI. "Ordnance Colonel Holgar N. Toftoy was in charge of the Nazi scientists, and Clay Shaw in the European Command section gave firm assistance to the transfer of 127 of them to the United States after they had spent about five months with the command in Europe. In the transfer of the Nazi rocket scientists, the services of Adolph Hitler's intelligence agency was used extensively, and Shaw, Von Braun, Dornberger and the others began a very close association with the Nazi agency and its commander. The Bundesnachrichtendienst,better known as the Federal Intelligence Agency, or FIA, is largely dependent on the CIA, which subsidizes and controls it." _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eric Barringer [ericbarr@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:09 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Hyper Dimensional Resonator ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Lizard King" To: Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 9:30 PM Subject: [DG] The Hyper Dimensional Resonator > The latest from the Cruel Site of the Day (http://www.cruel.com/) , a fella > from Nebraska selling a time machine for only $360. > > http://www.home.inreach.com/dov/tt.htm > > Includes a link to his interview in Strange Magazine and a schematic of the > Hyper Dimensional Resonator. Heh heh...can be used for "out of body time travel." Smithers, release the Hounds. "Well, what did you see?" "I saw a strange shape...sorta like a big dog. It looked at me in the funniest way, almost like I was dinner. It had...hey, is something burning? I see smoke coming from that corner." -Thornhammer _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:20 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: Conspiracy Question ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Lizard King" BTW, you might want to check http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/shaw2.htm for some contrarian views on Clay Shaw being the elusive Clay Bertrand. There is also an excerpt from Shaw's diary at http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/17th_Issue/diary.html to further muddy the waters. Judging from the diary entry the Stone film did capture Shaw's way of speaking, if nothing else. "However, like all the DA's assistants, and indeed the DA himself, he wore a pistol, which I found rather unnecessarily dramatic." Mark McFadden And he does look a bit like Adolf Lepus. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Sylvain Clément [sylvain.clement@wanadoo.fr] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:15 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: A word from the lurker (Re: [DG] The Media Barons and the Smoking Men) >From : "The Glove Cleaner" > > Damn. I have a feeling we are skating a bit close to unacceptably OT > here. > > I know I started it. >From : "The Lizard King" > That's why I like this List. You got it! I was worried that what I wrote > could be easily misinterpreted as the beginning of a Liberal vs Conservative > pisserama, which it wasn't meant to be. > And don't worry about using the labels carelessly, because everyone does > sooner or later. I rage against the machine and still find myself rooting > for some agenda or other until I slap myself and look again. I know I should > be watching the dealer and the shills, but those cards are so pretty while > they are shuffled, and I could swear I saw one corner turned up just a bit > on the Red Queen. Maybe *this* time... All your enlightened conversation, dear sirs, could hardly be labeled as off-topic. Stripping hard facts and real human motivations from their usual memetical/political/philosophical dressings is what CoC is about, once you have stripped the Mythos itself from the blatant rubber-monster Derleth-and-al grotesqueries. Think about the particular horror of this situation -our own situation. We are creatures driven by hard-wired (or rather "wet-wired") behaviours, with social/sexual biases driving lots of processing and decisional power. This, and our gradually 'retrofitted' brains, explains our specialization towards reproductive success in a group-based situation. Every single human works that way, or is supposed to, because every single ancestor of his/her worked efficiently in this manner. So everyone is concerned with its own success, but no one has equal assets. Let me explain my view about the origin of left/right ying/yangish duality : - those well-endowed by Nature (read : semi-random variations) or herited economical assets are content with their comparative advantage, and wish things to stay that way. Conservatism. Right-wing. Individualism. - the underdogs, those who are less popular, strong, rich, or whatever, than the aforementioned. They have to cooperate and find ways to cut the gordian knot if they are to rise in status. If they do not, or cannot, let they be content with the idea that they can try to spread their genes within their own class anyway. Of course, this is not as clear-cut. Once a 'potential left-winger' has risen in power, he may pretend to be one, but will objectively no longer be. And reciprocally, people of rather low status who *feel* superior in some way will demonstrate a strange mix of right-wing memes and left-wing behaviours. That's it : perpetual intra-species bickering, altruism as a better way to promote selfish interests, memes as measures and counter-measures in the darwinian struggle, quite artificially defining groups. This is all good and well, since it it the way evolution defined us - and allowed us to be as we are, and to think about it and post it on the DGML. We are driven. Only deviants provide the occasional change and breakthrough, and this rarely works, even as it costs them, say, chances to mate by preferring and promoting incomprehensible and strange-looking pursuits in a fundamentally inert meme-pool. One would rightly object : "So what - it worked so far". Yes, but intellectual curiosity entices us to adopt an outer point of view : what about Others, beings that would not be hampered by the gross misdirections and self-delusion of our masses ? Sure, there is loooots of work to be done, just trying to define the criteria of success that would permit something to become, say, a Great Old One or at least a routinely spacefaring race. So do we simply *deserve* to live, compared to higher alien beings that show objective evolutionary assets ? We can answer : "of course not", provided we discard our self-loving memes ("Man as the pinnacle of creation") in order to try to have a cold factual view of our own feeble status. Trouble is, that kind of introspection is of no direct use in our day-to-day struggles. Better stay ignorant of what are the strings that handle us ; thus acknowledging, again, that the lies of religion or ideology are better suited to our darwinian needs than mind-crushing science. Such is HPL's message : we are not creatures configured to travel far onto the seas of knowledge, and it gets more obvious in a contemporary DG setting. How could that be off-topic ? SC _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 6:47 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: Conspiracy Question --- The Lizard King schrieb: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mr. A.C. Marcy" > Found something at > http://members.aol.com/scribblguy/torbitt9.htm > > commander. The > Bundesnachrichtendienst,better known as the Federal > Intelligence Agency, or > FIA, is largely dependent on the CIA, which > subsidizes and controls it." > snip take the last sentence with a sack of salt. if the bundesnachrichtendienst is better known under another designation, its justz "BND" even in those parts of the world i did not met german speaking persons ( of course just a minority of paranoi..., i mean, politically interested people bothers about other countries agencies at all). ther´s no need to subzidize and control the bnd, they are already incompetent enough and german sigint absolutely sucks, making the bnd dependent on other nato sources (of course feeding potentially selected information is a form of control) the historical fact that german postwar intelligence and bureaucracy didn´t change too many faces holds a little OBDG: any undetected karotechia member might still hold a cushy federal, state, or university job well into the seventies and might even have valuable contacts after retirement. festus __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail http://mail.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 6:17 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Hyper Dimensional Resonator >it would make for an interesting DG op, recovering a couple suits of those >things for DG use. The really interesting part comes when: how do you track >it down? I bought an invisible suit. I put it down somewhere. Now I can't find it. (the sound of one knee being slapped) J. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:55 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: existentialism and the GOO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvain Clément" > All your enlightened conversation, dear sirs, could hardly be labeled as > off-topic. Stripping hard facts and real human motivations from their usual > memetical/political/philosophical dressings is what CoC is about, once you > have stripped the Mythos itself from the blatant rubber-monster > Derleth-and-al grotesqueries. Ah yes, agent Clément!! But one must not overindulge! > So do we simply *deserve* to live, compared to higher alien beings that show > objective evolutionary assets ? We can answer : "of course not", provided we > discard our self-loving memes ("Man as the pinnacle of creation") in order > to try to have a cold factual view of our own feeble status. Trouble is, > that kind of introspection is of no direct use in our day-to-day struggles. But if you are rising to that level of abstraction, value judgments of any sort, whether positive or negative, are just affectations. --- *** --- Me, I long ago came to the conclusion that the only roots of action are biological and emotional. The "miserable" status of humanity does not bother me any longer, because, after all, I am just a beast. Intellect is for navigation. Lust, fear, greed, hate and love are the engines. (ahem I'm a nice chap, honest) --- *** --- And note that, compared with the infinite, even beings like Cthulhu are in the same case as us. Which, by the way, is why the GOO are not dispassionate big-domed abstract intellects, but are full of transhuman intensity of **emotion**. Exactly the same thing that applies to us applies to them. And even more so. Percieving the nullity of existence even more clearly than we do, they must throw themselves with even greater vigour into "a holocaust of ecstacy and freedom". The Glove Cleaner ((I agree that may at an extreme put us on the level of eg saying Special K are as "valid" as us. But that is where we are, and those are the cards we have to play. )) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Stango [jstanley@echoman.com] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 2:18 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: [DG] Fiction: A Good Book is Hard to Come By Hi guys, havent posted in a long, long time....so here is a treat that will wrap up by Halloween. Hope everyone is well. Its good to be back. 1. Marcus peered from under the blanket, his body bathed in a sheen of sweat. His shivers almost out of control as he managed a squawk toward the partially ajar door leading to the bathroom. "You fucking get out of here." His eyes rimmed in red, he sprayed spittle on his hand and into the air. "My dog has teeth.....big teeth, he'll get you, even if you can fly" He cackled a bit as he stared at the door. "Big teeth" He muttered. He saw a small flash of color from under the door, glow in a gentle facet off of the hardwood floor. He didn't want to look, but he could not help it. He saw the way the glow seemed to absorb itself into the dark lacquered floor. He could almost see small tendrils of it moving towards the large rug between the door and the bed. His mouth hung open, a dead look glazed his eyes as he was entranced by the luminosity of the thing. If it moved much closer it would be hidden by the outline of the corpse of his wife Betty, that lay in repose on the rug. She appeared to be sleeping, somewhat awkwardly, since her head appeared a bit too small for the body. A more minute assessment would reveal the condition of her skull, a skull that had been smashed in on one side almost to the midline of it. "Tessie, Tessie?" He called for his dog, the one that lay at the foot of the bed, its head turned at an impossible angle. A pool of blood had formed outside its partially opened mouth. A mouth that had tried to bite the thing in the bathroom, and in the process had lost two teeth. His hand moved across his field of view to swat at an imagined insect. He could almost hear it now, massing behind the door. "Come on girl, get up here...I'm scared Tessie" He wondered if he had left her outside. He screamed and buried his head under the blankets sobbing. He sought comfort in saying softly to himself over and over again "Tessie's gonna get you.....Tessie's gonna get you...things are gonna be right.....Tessie's gonna get you." He thought of the oracle from the movie The Matrix, she had said to Neo, that after he ate the cookie. "You'll see, everything will be right as rain" "Right as rain, right as rain...my ass, TESSIE!!!!" He screamed, "Fucking dog, get your ass in here.......come on Tessie" His face burned around his eyes where the tears had run. He closed his eyes and concentrated on the rhyme of it, blocking out all the sounds he might hear. He couldn't help it, he giggled a bit to himself and kept up the soothing mantra. He didn't hear the pounding on the front door, his breathing and chanting seemed to block everything out. 2. The white partylite 3-wick candle burned in the bathroom, bathing the entire room in a gentle glow. A heady, slightly vanilla aroma permeated the room. Its light diffused through the slats of the blinds on the small window. It wrapped the area in a blanket of warmness. The sink still dripped a bit, its porcelain cracked a bit where Mrs. Johnsons head had slammed into it. There was a blood droplet pattern on the tiles and wall next to the sink as well as a mixture of big and small drops, leading out of the room. There were small clumps of fur on the floor in the corner as well as two canine teeth next to the magazine stand. Their roots could be seen attached with a bit of gristled mouth flesh hanging off the side, slowly drying out. On top of the magazine stand, laying opened to page thirty two was Charles Hoods' immortal and highly controversial "Fantasies of Depravity" of which Marcus had been reading when the attack occurred. A picture on the left page, above the text was an archaic symbol of some sort. It appeared to glow softly under the gentle candlelight. The image on the next page depicted a bewildered man in his thirties hiding under a cover of some type. Upon closer examination, a reader might become a bit suspicious as to why the image of the man could look so much like that of the man hiding under the covers just a room away. Especially since the book had been penned some 83 years earlier. The current story was titled, "The Pains of Proclamation" and told of a man deeply interested in the happenings of the universe beyond that of normal ken. It spoke of the barrier that exists between another side of reality and ours and how, sometimes that partition can be thinned to the point of permeance. It described certain mathematical equations and probabilities that could, theoretically be manipulated to allow temporary passage to this other side. The man, a Mr. Jessup Waite was a dabbler in things outré, and had succeeded, at least partially in removing the natural constraints, in place for untold millennia. He developed a series of formulae that could, if properly displayed in the correct order and during certain astrological events open the gateway to this beyond realm. To Mr. Waite's disdain, before he could steel himself with the resolve necessary to undertake the expedition, something came through the hole and killed his manservant and maid. The thing then returned to it's origins, apparently sated. 3. "You wanna run that by me again?" Detective Marshall asked, sitting herself on the front porch of the Johnson house. She looked at her partner, Allan with a smile on her face. He sighed, blowing out a cloud of smoke. "Look, the patrol car sent to investigate the noises says he and his partner saw something on the roof of the house. It was raining, but they both say the same thing, and you know Gancy and Mekes.....they've never come off as flaky before. It just happened that they were around the corner from here doing neighborhood patrol when the call came in. They said it was big, and when it moved it gave off colors....that's how they noticed it. Said when it moved, it left a sort of trail where it had been." "Yea, but where did it go." She asked, "I mean there were no footprints, right ?" "Yea, they said it dropped off the side of the house away from them, but there is no evidence that it ever landed on the ground. By the time they got around the house it was gone." He paused, lighting another cigarette. "He said he had been reading a story on the pot, when whatever it is came out of the book or something and attacked. Something about math and a hole or something. I've got the book he was talking about." "Gail, I don't know what to make of it, but it does fit with what the husband is saying, well, when he's not babbling that is. That guy is really lucky, I mean if those officers had not been so close, they probably wouldn't have seen it, and we'd be locking him up for sure. As it is, I don't know what the fuck to do." Marcus Johnson had needed to be sedated and removed in restraints from the house. Uninjured, he was taken directly to Baptist Wellness Center for psychiatric evaluation. "It seemed to me that the guy didn't even know they were dead, he kept calling to the dog, saying he had left her outside." "What about evidence ?" Marshall asked. "He had blood spray on the side of his face consistent with his statement that he was on the shitter when it happened." He stopped, put the butt out on the heel of his shoe and put it in his pocket. "I mean, If he had done her and the dog, how would the blood get like that just on one side of his face." Lighting another smoke. "Yea, good point....Of course, he could have washed it off. Does the blood type match the wife?" She asked. "Preliminary matching indicated a positive on the wife. There were also some clumps of fur taken off the floor. Now, the dog had light brown hair, but one of the clumps is black and a lot longer than the dogs. Don't know what that means. Fuck, I'm tired" "So..." she sighed "We've got a man who claims to have been taking a crap and reading a book, when something appeared and killed his wife and his dog, but left him unscathed." "I gotta go with my gut on this one and say that we're missing something." She stated, "Give me one of those" she asked, motioning towards the Marlboro's. "Either this dickhead is nuts, and killed them, or he offed them and is acting nuts, or a prowler or some psycho entered the house and did them, and was scared away by the patrol. Maybe he got away by getting on the roof, and was wearing some type of shiny coat that reflected colors like the guys said." "I mean, our guys have missed evidence before. I bet right now, on the other side of the house there are two, one foot deep holes in the garden where this guys jumped from. His fucking shoes are probably still in the bottom of them." "Yea, except for one thing Gail, I looked myself. Now I may miss a shell casing or hair fiber once and a while, but I'm not gonna overlook a couple of impact prints from some bonehead jumping from a 20 foot high roof. Also there is no direct access from the house to the roof." He smiled at her. "Look, lets go see if we can talk to this joker before they tranquilize him into next week. Maybe we can wrap this up tonight." More coming soon..... "Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." -Albert Einstein John Stanley Senior Web Developer The Echo Group ^ ^ ¤ ¤ ) /___\ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Julian Breen [jules@bigjules.demon.co.uk] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:20 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Cthonian activity I was sitting at work yesterday (ironically reading about the Mythos :) when an earthquake struck. Bear in mind that I live in the UK where this sort of thing doesn't happen all that often -- at least not noticeably. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_1625000/1625090.stm Note the reference to Coalville (which is where Lumley placed cthonian carryings-on in 'The Burrowers Beneath'). I only live seven miles away. :-/ -- Julian Breen _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:28 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Anti-terrorist suggestions "The Pentagon cast a wide net on Thursday for bright ideas on thwarting terrorism, seeking to pick the brains of just about everyone from tinkerers in their garages to big corporations worldwide. - Reuters, Oct. 25, 2001" Well, with an invitation like that how could we refuse? I got wondering what sort of suggestions an illegal conspiracy knowledgeable about the occult could offer in the war on terrorism. If Joe Camp can defend the Library of Congress, what would it take for him to shield other sites in Washington? What could OUTLOOK offer to the troops in Afghanistan? What about The Report? If it could reveal a lone sniper in Honduras as well as every Soviet warhead, I would think that pinpointing some caves in Afghanistan would be a snap. But out here in the RW it ain't happening that way, so why is that? Are the Greys hiding something? Are some actions in the Steering Committee profiteering from the knowledge? Some of the other factions might be learning to gather information from it's noticeable lack. If important military intel is in the region and it doesn't show up in The Report, the intel must be important to the Greys. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:46 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Anti-terrorist suggestions >What about The Report? If it could reveal a lone sniper in Honduras as well >as every Soviet warhead, I would think that pinpointing some caves in >Afghanistan would be a snap. But out here in the RW it ain't happening that >way, so why is that? Are the Greys hiding something? Nah, if the Greys hid the location of the cave, it would be very obvious they were hiding it. They wouldn't be so obvious, so one can conclude that they probably aren't hiding it. So, we must assume that the government does in fact know exactly where ObL is hiding. So why haven't they acted on that knowledge? Two possibilities. One, they may simply not want to reveal that they have that kind of knowledge. When Enigma was cracked, they couldn't act overtly on the intelligence gathered because then the enemy would know their codes were cracked. If we start acting on info that can only come from the report then people will begin to suspect the existence of such an intelligence source. And that must be kept secret. Two, and much more in keeping with the atmosphere of DG, Dubya is enjoying things as they are. If he goes and kills bin Laden, then the power he currently has will dwindle. Thanks to the terrorists, his approval rating has sky rocketed. Thanks to the terrorists, he's able to help out his cold war buddies. Thanks to the terrorists, he's becoming one of the most powerful people on the planet. Thanks to the terrorists, he can look good even as he strips away our civil liberties in the name of defending freedom. Thanks to the terrorists he may even get re-elected. Why on Earth would he want to end any of this? The terrorist threat is the best thing that ever could have happened to him. One wonders if the terrorist threat even exists, or if it has been a giant wagging of the dog. (Not a new theory, I know, but it sure fits nicely. Especially if you assume the existence of The Report.) Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 5:41 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: existentialism and the GOO ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sylvain Clément" >>> Exactly the same thing that applies to us applies to them. And >.> even more so. Percieving the nullity of existence even more >>> clearly than we do,they must throw themselves with even .>>> greater vigour into "a holocaust of ecstacy and freedom". > And now, a comic-book reference : Batman's nemesis, > the Joker, has often been described as demented and brilliant, > both characteristics being linked. In Neil Gaiman's (sp ?) "Arkham > Asylum", one psychiatrist even depicts him as a kind of "new man", > a highly functional Übermensch I take the point. The Joker appears to be a combination of ferocious emotion and coldly pragmatic logic, neither crippling the other. The logic is completely at the service of the emotional drives and does not corrupt them. >>The GOOs being over-the-top natural creatures, the >>acme of evolutionary products (if complexity, not just fitness, >> is the criterium), I do think, too, that they have to be driven by >>.praeternatural desires. Failing that, they wouldn't have risen to their current condition. . "Highly functional" is the key. The fundamental problem for a living intelligent creature is how to avoid suicidal despair when you realise you are going to die (and even the GOO will die). Humans solve it through religion - a sort of deliberate focused irrationality. The problem is how to reconcile the benefits of this irrationality with the functional benefits of reason. I suspect that the GOO employ reason in much the way we employ our sweat glands - they use it when necessary, but it is automatic and "unconscious" to them. I imagine the Dark Young of Shub-Niggurath, for example, growing and discarding nervous issue to produce super-intelligent brains at need, and then digesting them. The point is, intellect is safely divorced from motivation. --- *** --- But this is too wild, or too tame, a speculation, maybe. At any rate, on very slim grounds. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Tim Betz [vag@arsimagica.net] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 6:13 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Anti-terrorist suggestions On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Gatten, Marshall wrote: > Two possibilities. > > One, they may simply not want to reveal that they have that kind of > knowledge. Nah, if this were the case it would be "Special Forces raid Osama's hideout after informant gives US his location" and no-one would be the wiser. > > Two, and much more in keeping with the atmosphere of DG, Dubya is enjoying > things as they are. If he goes and kills bin Laden, then the power he > currently has will dwindle. Thanks to the terrorists, his approval rating > has sky rocketed. Thanks to the terrorists, he's able to help out his cold > war buddies. Thanks to the terrorists, he's becoming one of the most > powerful people on the planet. Thanks to the terrorists, he can look good > even as he strips away our civil liberties in the name of defending freedom. I prefer the Bush is unaware of MJ-12 angle, but regardless, it is up to MJ-12 to release the location of ObL, or not, if such information resides in the report (and I can't see why it wouldn't). The current political climate allows MJ-12 to do all sorts of things. -Solidify their position (even more, if such a thing is possible). -Make billions as individuals by leaking cookbook info that can be used against Anthrax to Pharamaceutical companies they have a share in. -Test augmented NRO-DELTA soldiers in actual combat. I still like the idea that the Anthrax scare is Yrjo(sp?)/Outlook testing out a large scale cascade scenario. You really need to know how that pesky media will act/react, and you can't really figure that out by putting Jim Lehrer in a box and making Katie Couric give him every increasing electric shocks... -- Tim _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 6:30 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Anti-terrorist suggestions On 29 October 2001, His Saurian Majesty "The Lizard King" took time out from shopping for Rhodesian Jungle Rounds to write: > "The Pentagon cast a wide net on Thursday for bright ideas on thwarting >terrorism, seeking to pick the brains of just about everyone from tinkerers >in their garages to big corporations worldwide. - Reuters, Oct. 25, 2001" "Yesss, Eegor! At last the Government says it will listen to me! Perhaps I can get a Government grant to finance a new computer and those Tesla coils I need! And I can finally complete my Death Ray! HAHAHAHAHA!" > > Well, with an invitation like that how could we refuse? > > I got wondering what sort of suggestions an illegal conspiracy >knowledgeable about the occult could offer in the war on terrorism. > > If Joe Camp can defend the Library of Congress, what would it take for >him >to shield other sites in Washington? I'm sure that these means are being implemented, even as we speak! Remember that (based on accounts of "typical" DG cells and operations) just about every other DG team seems to include not only a representative of the Special Warfare community, but a doctor from the CDC, USAMRIID, the Public Health Service, or the Navy Medical Corps!:) Under the circumstances, it may be no coincidence that -- despite the worries of the American populace -- the anthrax death toll has thus far been low, even though at least some of the anthrax was indeed "weaponized" (with additives -- used only in Iraqi CBW labs) to make it more dangerous... Have no fear, Delta Green is obviously indeed on the job! Why wasn't the biowar attack completely stymied? Two reasons: 1. In an effort like this, involving several agencies, coordination can prove difficult -- especially when, at the same time, you're camouflaging the work of a conspiracy such as DG as the work of a multi-agency team. Things can't be 100% efficient, and the anthrax incidents we've seen in the news are those which happened before the DG effort was mobilized, or which "leaked" through the countermeasures now being implemented. 2. Modern terrorism is more than just hijacked planes, automatic weapons, bombs, and anthrax. Terrorists read the Necronomicon, too! Much of the DG effort, as befits an extremely unofficial agency with occult knowledge, is likely going towards detecting and defeating occult threats to the safety of this nation, its allies, and their people. Terrorists summoning Dark Young to attack rural areas? Or hijacking cropduster planes to deliver some vile Mythos powder or fluid on unsuspecting citizens (as was recently reported in the southern US)? Taliban sympathizers using Cthonian connections to trigger earthquakes in the UK (as mentioned in a recent post) and the US (IIRC, New York had a small quake last weekend, and LA had a small quake today...)? Shantak or Byhakee attacks endangering an already faltering airline industry? Karotechia commandos encouraging hate crimes in the US and Europe? "Who you gonna call?" "Delta Green!" > > What could OUTLOOK offer to the troops in Afghanistan? > > What about The Report? If it could reveal a lone sniper in Honduras as >well >as every Soviet warhead, I would think that pinpointing some caves in >Afghanistan would be a snap. But out here in the RW it ain't happening that >way, so why is that? Are the Greys hiding something? Quite possibly, for reasons of their own. Remember how the Report, during DESERT STORM, wasn't able to pinpoint Saddam Hussein's location well enough for Coalition forces to blast him! (Of course, even if we had had the info in a timely enough manner, there may have been a policy decision not to kill him...) How frequently is this Report updated? What is the timelag between receipt of the Report, and the information getting circulated to the people who are cleared for it (which of course is not necessarily the people who need it)? Plus the time needed to decide whether to pass this information on, and how it should be sanitized, and such... And the reaction time while these next people in the chain in turn ask whether this information can be confirmed by other sources, etc... And the time then required to implement a strike using that information... Bin Laden and the Taliban leadership aren't the sort to hole up in one Secret Volcano Base, and spend the war there. If they were, we would have found a way by now to either bury them permanently or blast them clear to Betelgeuse! They tend to move around more than the government of a more "normal" enemy, hiding in one series of caves or bunkers after another, and occasionally in such sanctuaries as mosques, hospitals, and residential areas (where they use our own humanitarianism and sense of decency against us). The combination of mobility and hiding in places the current ROE forbid us to target, together with the built-in lead time in our analysis and response, could mean (even if the aliens are doing their best with the information they supply their Terran clients) that these villains won't be properly punished until Allied commandos go into the caves after them, or until some marksman finally blasts Bin Laden after he leaves a mosque or a hospital to scuttle to his next hiding place. >Are some actions in the >Steering Committee profiteering from the knowledge? That, too, is a definite possibility. The normal bureaucratic timelag is bad enough, giving the enemy the chance to operate inside our decision cycle... If someone on the Report clearance file is deliberately obfuscating things for his own personal reasons... There is a special term for such action -- it is called "Treason". However, there probably won't be a trial, even if he is caught red-handed -- to try him would be to reveal the existence of the Report! >Some of the other >factions might be learning to gather information from it's noticeable lack. >If important military intel is in the region and it doesn't show up in The >Report, the intel must be important to the Greys. And hopefully someone would take advantage of this, draw the correct conclusions, and figure out how to predict old Osama's movements so that he walks into a set of crosshairs, and abruptly is faced with explaining his actions to an irate Allah! But such efforts to find him and resolve the problem may be blocked by people over-dependent on the Report, unless our folks operate outside the channels, as an illegal conspiracy -- sort of like Delta Green! Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 5:18 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Anti-terrorist suggestions At 02:46 PM 10/29/2001 -0800, Gatten, Marshall wrote: >One, they may simply not want to reveal that they have that kind of >knowledge. When Enigma was cracked, they couldn't act overtly on the >intelligence gathered because then the enemy would know their codes were >cracked. If we start acting on info that can only come from the report >then people will begin to suspect the existence of such an intelligence >source. And that must be kept secret. I don't think MJ-12 wants to directly feed the info to US intelligence, because that would make them question where the info comes from and that might require Dubya being briefed on the Accord, something that is not certain to have happened. But it shouldn't be difficult for wheeler-dealers like MJ-12 to get the info into a double-blind so it seems like it comes out of non-existent NSA resources. One thing about this though - US intelligence has always stated that it's not so much that they don't know where bin-Laden is, but that once they know for certain, it's too late and bin-Laden has changed locations. My understanding of the Report is that, while it is updated, it is more of an annual-like thing. Unless the Report is updated in near real-time, it's basically useless for these kind of operations. >Two, and much more in keeping with the atmosphere of DG, Dubya is enjoying >things as they are. If he goes and kills bin Laden, then the power he >currently has will dwindle. It's a strength of the DGverse that the conspiracy is kept from being too "high-concept" - sure, there are elements in the government doing nasty shit, but it is not The Government as some monolithic James Bond-villain entity. It's good to remember that even with the Mythos and government conspiracy, people are still capable of great evil. I would be more comfortable with MJ-12 simply being the one enjoying the recent state of affairs. There is 127 billion in surplus to plunder for "counter-terrorist technology research", support for curtailing civil rights to allow covert government operations, and a new playing field on which to test their toys beyond the fog of war. While I still feel it's too "high-concept" to have had MJ-12 themselves directly cause Sept 11, I could see them holding back certain info that would end the gravy train that's been developed. >Thanks to the terrorists, his approval rating has sky rocketed. Thanks to >the terrorists, he's able to help out his cold war buddies. Thanks to the >terrorists, he's becoming one of the most powerful people on the planet. >Thanks to the terrorists, he can look good even as he strips away our >civil liberties in the name of defending freedom. Thanks to the terrorists >he may even get re-elected. Why on Earth would he want to end any of this? Because if the current state of affairs continues into the next three years, Dubya is gonna have a lot of explaining to do to voters. And this will continue that far, mark my words. This has been great for Dubya in the short-term, but remember that every moment spent on war, the economy worsens. His father's approval rating was made golden by the Gulf War, but the same was also his undoing when the election came around. Gil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [michelina.ponsetto@tin.it] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 5:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: existentialism and the GOO Cheers, gentlemen. The Glove Cleaner gave us.... >Me, I long ago came to the conclusion that the only roots of action are >biological and emotional. Hereabouts this is called "Inventing Hot Water" - I do not know the English equivalent idiom, but you catch my drift, I'm sure ;> I might argue that actions do not exist. We are machines for doing reactions. But let's not get into Zen this late at night. What's bugging me, in fact, is something else. > The "miserable" status of humanity does not >bother me any longer, because, after all, I am just a beast. > >Intellect is for navigation. Lust, fear, greed, hate and love are the >engines. Now, I'm not the kind to knock a fellow human's way of looking at the whole thing out there, mind you, but I'm normally a bit afraid of this kind of thinking. In my (admittedly limited) experience, normally people that proclaim Man's a beast are just looking for a good excuse for their beastly behaviour. And the setting places a nice and handy duality just were we need to seek further excuses - the old Jeckill/Hyde game of keeping Man and Animal separated and letting out the one we need - be it for survival or for kicks. As soon as the switch is set, intellect can be shifted from navigation to just making up excuses for what lust, greed, hate and, love "forced" poor little man to do. Or you can do all sorts of horrible things and say it was just an intellectual experiment - let's get the ape at the wheel and see what happens. Mark me, I'm not saying anyone of the subscribers to the above vented point of view is an irresponsible individual. I just say this kind of reasoning can be used as an alibi for relinquishment of responsibility. And in my view, Man is a creature of responsibility, or is nothing. >(ahem I'm a nice chap, honest) I believe you. Problem is, there's a lot of not-so-nice chaps out there. A while back I surprised a listmember (in a private exchange) by relating a simple case that happened here in Italy and got quite some media coverage but apparently never made it over the Alps. I'll repost it here, briefly, to illustrate my point. A few years back two researchers in Rome University's Philosophy Department decided to see what happens when you kill someone without reason, just as an intellectual experiment. The point of the debate being - if there's intent but no reason, no passion, no animal side guiding the killing hand, if the victim's a casual number out of the whole, unknown, no relation, no feelings involved, will the killer feel guilt? Any other emotion? This was their job, after all: philosophical research. So they got a gun, opened a window and fired a shot in a crowd of students, killing a girl. Then they hid the gun and went on for a while debating the way it all felt - agreeing that both doing it and being a witness felt like nothing in particular. They had not known the victim in person, and the event had not changed their life in the minimum. It had been a mechanical gesture like any other.. They took notes and even toyed with the idea of having committed the perfect crime. When the Law nailed them (spoiling the research project - sorry kids, hold this board up and smile to the camera), they first denied (and the University authority covered them) and then, having no other choice, they admitted the act of shooting, but not what I might call the vectorial, directional purpose of killing. They were _not_ trying to kill any specific anyone. Just a faceless someone. So they could not be charged with Murder One, right? It was like an accident, and it had felt like that for them. It had been an act executed by the human's older, more feral part and Reason had just been sitting by the side, taking notes. So, once again, it was not premeditated, because meditation, in the sense of thinking, had nothing to do with the act. Right? The judge put them in and threw the key away, laughing off the suggestion there might be an insanity pleading somewhere in the case. But my point is - start saying that man's an animal, and some fucker will try and loose his dog-tag in order to be able to freely chase the metaphorical postman. Start saying man's a machine, and some fucker will eagerly await for the expiration of the guarantee in order to malfunction and see what happens. End of rant. Sorry about this if it sounds preachy. It has been a long day on the shores of Neotethys for me, toying with five-dimensional Caenospace. Now I'll crawl to bed. Responses to any flames or money offers not before 16 hours. Take care, gentlemen. Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:05 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Hyper Dimensional Resonator On 28 October 2001, His Saurian Majesty "The Lizard King" wrote: > The latest from the Cruel Site of the Day (http://www.cruel.com/) , a >fella >from Nebraska selling a time machine for only $360. > >http://www.home.inreach.com/dov/tt.htm > > Includes a link to his interview in Strange Magazine and a schematic of >the >Hyper Dimensional Resonator. A Time Machine for $360? That costs a bit less than some other time machines I've seen advertised -- and those others were _clocks_! However, for $360, you get what you pay for... The dependability of those Hyper Dimensional Resonators is not something to brag about! And I've heard his machines use an unreliable Flux Capacitor as well! His circuit boards -- from Acme -- tend to protect the breakers by blowing first... and there has been more than one instance of defective selectors producing temporal drift! Just last week, there was an incident in which a historian with one of these $360 Time Machines, attempting to visit the Italian Renaissance, found himself in the middle of a dinosaur herd! As he related after unsuccessfully attempting to warn himself, "That was embarrassing!" On the heels of this came another incident in which a big game hunter, intending -- with the aid of his $360 Time Machine -- to hunt dinosaurs, instead materialized in the midst of the Spanish Inquisition! He managed to put up a fight while his machine recharged (another frequent problem with these -- a too-long recharge cycle!), but it turns out that one of the Inquisitors he shot with his Holland & Holland Double Express was one of his great (many times removed) grandfathers! (OOPS!) Also, while some of the brochures insist the machine is "Hound-stealthed", this has been exposed as false advertising! The product report by Drs. Isaac Bradbury and Colin Campbell, and MAJ Jolana Sklowdowska (Temporal Consumer Digest, September - August 2001) states that the IHI (Incidence of Hound Incidents) for users of this machine suggests that the signature of the machine (especially when it drifts out of temporal phase) may actually _attract_ the Hounds of Tindalos! So, my recommendation to those buying a Time Machine, or homebuilding one from a purchased set of plans, is not to scrimp on quality to save a few dollars, Deutschmarks, Pounds, Yen, credits, or whatever! (With appropriate sports information, you can rapidly recoup your original investment...) If you're using a Time Machine, you want it to reliably go when you want it to go, and to be ready to whisk you back to the present if you find yourself facing a dino stampede, the Sherriff's men, or whatever! The life you save may be your grandfather's! > > For extra fun check out his other plans available on the order form. > > "REPORT #1: HOW TO CONSTRUCT THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT ON A SIMPLIFIED >SCALE. Contains diagrams and schematics, plus Grid Point information. >$19.95" For that cost, the chance at a Darwin Award is worth it!:) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 11:02 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Fwd: Re: Toys for New Gamers Fellow conspirators, Cthulhu -- especially in his insiduous plush avatar -- has infiltrated yet another list, as part of his hideous plot to dominate cyberspace and win the trust of little kids everywhere! (Better him than Barney...) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com >From: "Richard Mangus" >To: >Subject: Fwd: Re: Toys for New Gamers >Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:19:26 -0500 > >I always wondered what Cthulhu looks like. It turns out he's soft and >furry. No wonder it drove adult men mad! By the way I wonder if you have >Cthulhu"s cell phone number? R Mangus > >Richard Mangus, Mining I, 304-926-5316, fax 304-926-6092, rmangus@wvbep.org > > >From: "Michael Layne" > >To: GURPSnet-L@io.com > >Subject: Re: Toys for New Gamers > >Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 18:26:28 -0400 > > > >On 27 October 2001, "Michael R. Stork" wrote: > > > >>I just found an extremely appropriate toy for the fledgling gamer, and > >>for the rest of us cause it's just sooooo cool. There's a company, Toy > >>Vault Inc, that's now selling a 12" tall, plush, green Cthulhu! Can > >>there possibly be anything better then that for a baby's crib ? Cute, > >>brown teddies? Ha ! Cthulhu will rule ALL teddies. Start your little > >>cultist-to-be out right. : ) > >> > >>To make this even better, Toy Vault is releasing a 2nd Cthulhu in the > >>next few weeks. It'll be larger, and will sport a large red hat. Yes, > >>Santa-Cthulhu. No, I'm not kidding. > > > > I thought his proper title was "Cthulhu-Claus"! As in: > > > > You'd better go run, you'd better go flee! > > Hang around here, you'll be history! > > C-thoo-loo Claus is coming to town! > > > > He'll slay you while you're sleeping, > > Or while you're awake! > > Or he'll drive you insane! > > RUN AWAY! for goodness' sake! > > > > Oh, you'd better go run, you'd better go hide! > > Bar the door quick, or he'll soon be inside! > > C-thoo-oo Claus is coming to town! > > > >Michael Layne > >theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Lee Williams [lee@grizz.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:12 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Hyper Dimensional Resonator /lurk OFF/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Layne To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [DG] The Hyper Dimensional Resonator > On 28 October 2001, His Saurian Majesty "The Lizard King" > wrote: > > > The latest from the Cruel Site of the Day (http://www.cruel.com/) , a > >fella > >from Nebraska selling a time machine for only $360. > > > >http://www.home.inreach.com/dov/tt.htm > > > > Includes a link to his interview in Strange Magazine and a schematic of > >the > >Hyper Dimensional Resonator. Reliability is the key here...I bought one of these next Tuesday but it broke down the weekend before last :-) ayy thangyew :-) Lee Williams ICQ 25628876 Associate Editor - DEMONGROUND: Reflections of a Darker Future http://www.demonground.org leewilliams@demonground.org /lurk ON/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:50 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Speculations about Stealth Technology On 28 October 2001, jessthecatasc@eircom.net wrote: >Another amusing (if continually tasteless) piece of comedy on British TV >cartoon satire show 2DTV: Bin Laden introduces how he intends to defeat the >Coalition - the Stealth Horse: equipped with special baffles on all >movement trains (pillows on hoofs), it is entirely silent, unless A) the >wheezing of its fatarsed rider attracts attention B) It whinneys. > >So, how does Majestic 12 retaliate? The Homing Otter? While the ATHO (Anti Taliban Homing Otter) is one possibility, and indeed should be developed and deployed, the Good Guys have other weapons at their disposal. One possibility is the Monkey Man, and his relatives, who were previously discussed at length on this list. But there are other possible counter-weapons, even more portable and devastating! In an essay on future weapons, a few years ago, Dean Ing mentioned several concepts involving microtechnology or biotechnology, or some combination. The one most applicable to the current situation involved a genetically engineered mutant variety of killer bee, which would seek out the enemy by some cue. (Ing mentioned "Russian gun oil", but there should be other signatures, a little more unique to the AQ/TSH (Al-Quaida/Taliban Stealth Horse) and its riders, that would be more useful in the current war...) Perhaps, if any examples of the chief Bad Guys' clothing are available to the Allies, the bees could be trained to locate these people by their scent, and attack! The bees could be transported in large numbers in a pod carried as an underwing store by (for example) an F/A-18 Hornet. They might also be carried in a submunition delivered by Land Attack Tomahawk, or be manually deployed by Special Operations troops during airmobile raids on enemy bases and tunnel complexes. To deal directly with enemy mobility -- the AQ/TSH itself -- similar techniques could be implemented with mutant horseflies. With its access to some of the "Cookbook" technology gained from the aliens, Majestic would likely be able to do a much better job of producing swarms of killer bugs than even Dean Ing originally conceived of! Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Greg Muir [gregmuir@adelphia.net] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:13 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] 9/11 conspiracy theories > The problem with any of this theorizing is that it depends on > the existence > of some domestic cabal that is willing to throw away thousands of > citizen's > lives like a used Kleenex. I suppose that's why I'd only do this sort of > speculation in a Mythos milieu. Even my misanthropic view of the > powers that > be has it's limits. > Not to mention that as far as reality goes, it's far easier to suspect the unintentional collusion of opportunity-seeking bastards than an overarcing conspiracy. Consider wartime profiteering. When all the prices go up at once, is it The Jewish Conspiracy(tm) or simply many disconnected profiteers trying to squeeze blood from a stone? Or you could look at the self-serving nature of many rich companies. No conspiracy unifies their actions, their actions are simply the natural outcome of many different companies trying to maximize profits and being laxy about the morality of their tactics. The human brain is great at recognizing patterns, even when they are not real, or at least consciously directed. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Greg Muir [gregmuir@adelphia.net] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:13 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] 9/11 conspiracy theories does it?>>> > > Not really... I could see it as either a 'view of what is to come' (seven > virgins per martyr and all that) or, more likely, evidence of the > decadence > and godlessness of the American way of life... a good thing to give your > life in destroying. > There was also a report on the contents of an Al Queeda training manual that specifically recommends that the terrorists go to great lengths to mingle. Shave the beard, do not pray to Allah at the appointed times, drinkn alcohol, etc. Allah knows that you are not doing these things out of laxness, you are doing these things in his service. Allah will understand. Doncha just love flexible crazed religious thinking? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:22 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Cthonian activity On 29 October 2001, Julian Breen wrote: >I was sitting at work yesterday (ironically reading about the Mythos :) >when an earthquake struck. > >Bear in mind that I live in the UK where this sort of thing doesn't >happen all that often -- at least not noticeably. > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_1625000/1625090.stm > > >Note the reference to Coalville (which is where Lumley placed cthonian >carryings-on in 'The Burrowers Beneath'). I'm still looking for a good source for that account... > >I only live seven miles away. You have my sympathies! Not only the UK has been recently hit by small quakes... There was one in New York City just last weekend (bringing to mind a disaster novel "Genesis Rock", concerning a quake and volcanic eruption in NYC), and in Los Angeles. These were just minor quakes, all of them, but it may just be the Mad Scientist (now funded by Mr. Bin Laden, who didn't tell him he was crazy like Mr. Croft did) tuning up his machine before triggering the Big One! No, _not_ in California! New Madrid! A repeat of what happened in the early 19th Century is allegedly overdue, the area is _much_ more densely populated now, and nobody has bothered with earthquake preparedness or earthquake-resistant construction in the American Midwest... Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:30 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: existentialism and the GOO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Davide Mana" > But my point is - start saying that man's an animal, and some fucker will > try and loose his dog-tag in order to be able to freely chase the > metaphorical postman. Start saying man's a machine, and some fucker will > eagerly await for the expiration of the guarantee in order to malfunction > and see what happens. I wouldn't tell that sort of fucker. The problem with "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of the Law" is that the most boring people hear it and take it literally. > End of rant. > Sorry about this if it sounds preachy. > It has been a long day on the shores of Neotethys for me, toying with > five-dimensional Caenospace. Good luck. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Greg Muir [gregmuir@adelphia.net] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:24 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] 9/11 conspiracy theories The site has some interesting tidbits about linking NASA to weird freemasonry rites. An analysis was done trying to figure out what the odds are that all of these timing coincidences (astrological situation behind the time of each launch, critical mission events, etc) could be the result of accident and the analysis showed it was very unlikely. If nothing else, makes excellent source material. The big problem I have with the conspiracy theories where people "figure things out" is that a real conspiracy will not play it like the Riddler from Batman, leaving clues for the hero to figure out to show the villian is the smarter cookie. Nobody would do something stupid like that. If a Beatle died, for instance, they would not keep his death secret and then encode hidden messages in the album cover to see if anyone can figure it out. If NASA has some sort of weird Freemason conspiracy inside it they will not go out of their way to do things in an obviously suspicious manner to draw attention to themselves. One of the other articles on the site mentioned how the conspiracy was present in the millenium festivities. Ok, so the Illuminati is going to go to the effort of encoding messages in the ball drop, just so conspiracy theorists can figure it out? I don't think so. > > http://www.enterprisemission.com/tower2.htm > > talking about loonies . . . > > > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:45 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Cthonian activity > Not only the UK has been recently hit by small quakes... There was one >in New York City just last weekend (bringing to mind a disaster novel >"Genesis Rock", concerning a quake and volcanic eruption in NYC), and in Los >Angeles. These were just minor quakes, all of them, but it may just be the >Mad Scientist (now funded by Mr. Bin Laden, who didn't tell him he was crazy >like Mr. Croft did) tuning up his machine before triggering the Big One! Speaking of the Big Ones and Mad Scientists, this somehow triggered a memory of an ACC story that may or may not be of interest for a DG application. I don't remember the story title, so I suppose spoiler space for those to weed out those who believe they've read everything ACCian, and those that haven't.. Harnessing cataclysms for time travel... spoiler spoiler spoiler Thieves are comissioned all around the world to steal every famous work. This is a crime wave on the ultimate historical scale. Targets like the Lourve are depopulated in a heartbeat. These thefts are facilitated by a device which creates a relativistic time pocket, much like in a Batman story I once saw... the contents of the pocket move at infidecimal fractions of 'real time'... they could go through lifetimes in seconds. Theft, therefore, is a simple matter of breaking and entering, as the culprit can literally be the on the other side of the world before the alarm goes off. Why? The devices are supplied by aliens, who wish to take all our culture. Why? They are preservers. Why? Our world is destroyed the next day. Tectonic imbalance, nuclear detonation, something that literally tears the worlds to bits. The aliens are actually from the far future, and they tied a supernova or something to the earth's destruction (massive releases of energy to facilitate both ends of the wormhole). Causality and such preserved. Dig up the story, good (and possibly useful) elements not mentioned. ............... Shift it back to DG. Mad Scientist (tm) wishes to create a Big One which will facilitate his end of the wormhole. The reason that immediately comes to mind is he wishes to facilitate (it's a great word, eh) his own version of the End Times, complete with his percieved reward from GOO or agent of choice. Or maybe he believes there's a point outside the far end of time where the GOO reside, and his project is to slingshot himself there, thereby making himself a GOO (Hello, he's Mad). Or something. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:52 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Anti-terrorist suggestions From: The Lizard King > What about The Report? If it could reveal a lone sniper in Honduras as well >as every Soviet warhead, I would think that pinpointing some caves in >Afghanistan would be a snap. But out here in the RW it ain't happening that >way, so why is that? Are the Greys hiding something? Are some actions in the >Steering Committee profiteering from the knowledge? Some of the other >factions might be learning to gather information from it's noticeable lack. >If important military intel is in the region and it doesn't show up in The >Report, the intel must be important to the Greys. My sources tell me that the Report is next to useless for tactical intelligence. It's only delivered every few months, not fast enough to be useful. The Greys seem capable of providing broad strategic intelligence, but not in "realtime". Also, Majestic is wary of giving out their most secret intelligence sources to the rest of the Intelligence Community. This keeps a lot of the info in the report out of the hands of the good guys. Just knowing where they are isn't enough sometimes. You have to know what they are doing, when they're going to do it, etc etc. This is the problem of analysis. The report contains vast amounts of data, and it's probably not in an easily understandable form. That lone sniper in Honduras might be a thermographic notation on some indecipherable multidimensional construct of runes and alien metallic plates. That sort of intel won't help you when you're trying to capture a specific individual. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/