From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 8:52 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Hyper Dimensional Resonator >Now, really think how useful this could be in the hands of a couple good >NRO >Section DELTA agents, or worse yet, if the Fate got ahold of them. It would >stress your player's intelligence a lot to figure out how to kill whoever >was >in the suit. (recent issues of the Transmetropolitan comic book have been making use of the invisible suit motif. Check out comics from Year Four) J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Greg Muir [gregmuir@adelphia.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 12:17 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] DG related in that it has to do with WTC and spin control http://www.bettybowers.com/nl-nov2001.html A very interesting look at this from the conservative perspective. Gives you a feeling of where the other side is coming from. Just imagine if DG comes to the surface and this simply gives the religious right more ammunition for a holy war. Imagine good christians marching on the dark young bearing semi-automatic weapons and singing "Onward Christian Soldiers." _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eric Barringer [ericbarr@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:27 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] 9/11 conspiracy theories ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Muir" To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:23 PM Subject: RE: [DG] 9/11 conspiracy theories > > The big problem I have with the conspiracy theories where people "figure > things out" is that a real conspiracy will not play it like the Riddler from > Batman, leaving clues for the hero to figure out to show the villian is the > smarter cookie. Nobody would do something stupid like that. If a Beatle > died, for instance, they would not keep his death secret and then encode > hidden messages in the album cover to see if anyone can figure it out. If > NASA has some sort of weird Freemason conspiracy inside it they will not go > out of their way to do things in an obviously suspicious manner to draw > attention to themselves. > I'm a Freemason myself (so yep, we're watching you...) and I just *love* reading stuff like this! I swear, if these people ever saw what really happens at a lodge meeting, they would crap their pants. At the last stated meeting, we tabled the world takeover discussion so we could figure out how our lodge could win the Grand Master's Award of Excellence (a sinister and vile award whereby the lodge does stuff like hold dinner meetings, lay a cornerstone, or support some sort of youth group). -Thornhammer _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:42 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] 9/11 conspiracy theories From: Eric Barringer >I'm a Freemason myself (so yep, we're watching you...) and I just *love* >reading stuff like this! I swear, if these people ever saw what really >happens at a lodge meeting, they would crap their pants. At the last stated >meeting, we tabled the world takeover discussion so we could figure out how >our lodge could win the Grand Master's Award of Excellence (a sinister and >vile award whereby the lodge does stuff like hold dinner meetings, lay a >cornerstone, or support some sort of youth group). You clearly haven't been initiated into the higher degrees where you have all the human sacrifice (cornerstone laying), baby eating (youth group/dinner meetings) and the satanic Cthulhu stuff (Excellence Awards) . Don't worry though, you're progressing nicely... The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 11:27 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG related in that it has to do with WTC and spin control >http://www.bettybowers.com/nl-nov2001.html > >A very interesting look at this from the conservative perspective. Gives >you >a feeling of where the other side is coming from. uh... I get the feeling, looking further down the page, that this site is not meant to be taken seriously. ; ) Good catch, though! This is one for the bookmarks. J. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 12:41 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG related in that it has to do with WTC and spin control ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Muir" > http://www.bettybowers.com/nl-nov2001.html > > A very interesting look at this from the conservative perspective. Gives you > a feeling of where the other side is coming from. The other side! Speak for yourself, lefty!!!! Or do you mean the fundamentalist Christian angle? I grok you there. But my, what a funny site. If all fundamentalist Christians were this witty, I'd be one. > Just imagine if DG comes to the surface and this simply gives the religious > right more ammunition for a holy war. Imagine good christians marching on > the dark young bearing semi-automatic weapons and singing "Onward Christian > Soldiers." I can't imagine that. But I can imagine them marching **against** such entities with a religious motivation. And I *can* imagine Christians marching to armageddon behind a convincing imitation of angels. All Christians would take the revelation of the Mythos as evidence of the End Times, and I can certainly, for example, see Christians being plucked en masse by entities that have learned to manipulate their doctrines. The Rapture, anyone?? The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 12:49 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG related in that it has to do with WTC and spin control ----- Original Message ----- From: "ialdaloboth *genzundheit!*" > > > >A very interesting look at this from the conservative perspective. Gives > >you > >a feeling of where the other side is coming from. > > uh... I get the feeling, looking further down the page, that this site is > not meant to be taken seriously. ; ) You don't say!! The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jonas Bolander (ERA) [Jonas.Bolander@era.ericsson.se] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:03 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Anti-terrorist suggestions > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Betz [mailto:vag@arsimagica.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 01:13 > To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' > Subject: RE: [DG] Anti-terrorist suggestions > I prefer the Bush is unaware of MJ-12 angle, but regardless, > it is up to > MJ-12 to release the location of ObL, or not, if such > information resides > in the report (and I can't see why it wouldn't). The current political > climate allows MJ-12 to do all sorts of things. > -Test augmented NRO-DELTA soldiers in actual combat. Ah, and here I thought I would never get any use for that unit patch I slapped together a couple of months ago ... http://www.stormloader.com/labyrinth/deltagreen/nro_delta.htm ;-) Not that I really think they would be indiscreet enough to ever wear them. /JoB _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nash Baddream [nash-xs@metallica.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 5:37 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] More about (recent) Cthonian activity... <> From: Agent Nash To: All Cells Spoil space... Message: Is there also activity under the Alps??? http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9903/26/france.tunnel.02/ http://europe.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/10/24/swiss.tunnel/ these two events tend to show that there's Cthonian activity, can't these fires be caused by 'em... What would a Cthonian ending up in a tunnel digged by humans and full with trucks would do??? wreck havok on the trucks...which would certainly end up burning... I've already used this plot in a game last year... got this idea when there was the Mont Blanc tunnel accident because the medias weren't allowed near the accident for 5 full days after the fire was put out... wondered what the authorities wanted to hide... End Message... <> ________________________________________________________ Get your Private, Free E-mail from Metallica at http://mail.metallica.com/ powered by XingMail. Check out the Metallica Official Web Site at http://www.metallica.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of TheGreatCthulhuz@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:37 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG related in that it has to do with WTC and spin control You know, I wonder what the reaction would be if the mythos simultaneously took over (with a powerful mythos creature at the head of each move-dark young leading the Catholics, Cthonians "supporting" Christians, etc) all religions. They could do that relatively fast, and since mythos plans arn't normally available to mortal ears, it would happen with VERY little warning. Perhaps, though, Alzis drops a hint to some agents, who may or may not take it seriously. How would DG react to this? MJ-12? From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [michelina.ponsetto@tin.it] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:12 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: existentialism and the GOO Greetings. File this under "personal use of public tools" > > It has been a long day on the shores of Neotethys for me, toying with > > five-dimensional Caenospace. > >Good luck. > > The Glove Cleaner You did actually bring me luck, Andy! Or so it seems. After much debate it was agreed this morning that I will after all include in my final discussion a chunk of math and statistics that sort of brings my work up to date with the 21th century. Considering the skepticism with which computers and quantitative approaches to research are seen in my University, it was no minor feat. What finally did it was the fact that my "fiddling with numbers" (don't you love a receptive audience?) actually demonstrates an hypothesis my tutor has been trying to verify these last two years without any success. The demonstration was an accidental side-result of my study. And just to add some sort of OBDG content.... The main opposition to my statistical analysis of the late Miocene ecology was phrased as: "We are a scientific institution, by Jove! You just can't go and start test hypotheses that have not been previously verified." So I can't check facts that are not a given already. How's this for the old Scientists as New Priesthood debate? Anyway - Andy, I owe you a pint of your favourite poison. To the rest of the community, stay tuned for further adventures in the Cult of the Textbook. Cheers! Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Stango [jstanley@echoman.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:13 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] DG related in that it has to do with WTC and spin control >>with a powerful mythos creature at the head of each move-dark young leading the Catholics, Cthonians "supporting" Christians They could subtly change the text of various hymnals and actually use the services as a tool for summoning their dark masters. Iä Iä Shub-niggurath!!!! From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Janusz A. Urbanowicz [alex@bofh.torun.pl] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 10:15 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: existentialism and the GOO Davide Mana wrote/napisał[a]/schrieb: > Greetings. > > File this under "personal use of public tools" > > > > It has been a long day on the shores of Neotethys for me, toying with > > > five-dimensional Caenospace. > > > >Good luck. > > > > The Glove Cleaner > > You did actually bring me luck, Andy! > Or so it seems. > After much debate it was agreed this morning that I will after all include > in my final discussion a chunk of math and statistics that sort of brings > my work up to date with the 21th century. > Considering the skepticism with which computers and quantitative approaches > to research are seen in my University, it was no minor feat. > What finally did it was the fact that my "fiddling with numbers" (don't you > love a receptive audience?) actually demonstrates an hypothesis my tutor > has been trying to verify these last two years without any success. > The demonstration was an accidental side-result of my study. On the similar note: today at about 1400 CEST I became Janusz A. Urbanowicz M. Sc. (experimental physics, thesis - 'statistical analysis of human stabilogram'). ObDG: This will lead to finishing my 2 DG project: OPERATION GLASS DOOR - a scenario to be run outside USA (for the rest of us, like, Europeans for example) and writeup of DIASPORA: a setting/adaptation of DG to outside of US. ETA: 1 month. Stay tuned :-) I'm happy now. :-) Alex -- C _-=-_ H| Janusz A. Urbanowicz | ALEX3-RIPE | SF-F Framling | | * ; (_O : +-------------------------------------------------------------+ --+~| ! &~) ? | Płynąć chcę na Wschód, za Suez, gdzie jest dobrem każde zło | l_|/ A ~-=-~ O| Gdzie przykazań brak dziesięciu, a pić można aż po dno; | | _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 10:40 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Anti-terrorist suggestions On 30 October 2001, "Jonas Bolander (ERA)" wrote: > > > -Test augmented NRO-DELTA soldiers in actual combat. > >Ah, and here I thought I would never get any use for >that unit patch I slapped together a couple of months >ago ... > >http://www.stormloader.com/labyrinth/deltagreen/nro_delta.htm > >;-) A possible blazon would be: "(fieldless) On an escutcheon Gules fimbriated Argent, a Grey's head couped Gules fimbriated Argent, overall two arrows in saltire between the letters 'NRO' and the Greek letter Delta, Argent". I'm treating it, like many military insignia, as a fieldless badge, rather than an actual coat of arms (which the military also uses -- especially the Navy and Air Force). The above blazon sounds a little clumsy, partly because the badge breaks one of the laws of Heraldry (Rule of Tinctures)... but so do many other military badges, especially the low-visibility versions. The placing of what amount to tertiary charges upon a tertiary charge is unusual. However, these considerations do not detract from the appearance of the badge itself, which is quite striking! My compliments to the designer! > >Not that I really think they would be indiscreet enough >to ever wear them. Only at science fiction cons!:) At Rising Star 9, last year, for example, we had a dealer selling patches for the "Discovery" and "Leonov", the Colonial Marines, the Nelson Institute of Marine Research, Yoyodyne, and many others! An NRO-DELTA soldier, in BDUs with one of these patches on his shoulder, would be complimented on the patch (and asked where he bought it). He might even be persuaded to enter Costume Call!:) Michael Layne DGGF#688 Con Committee Gofer, Rising Star 10 (Roanoke, VA, 9-11 Nov) theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:13 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] The Hyper Dimensional Resonator > "REPORT #1: HOW TO CONSTRUCT THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT ON A SIMPLIFIED >SCALE. Contains diagrams and schematics, plus Grid Point information. >$19.95" Has anybody ordered any of his reports, by any chance? I'm thinking they might make wonderful handouts during a Tindlosi plot. I'm not sure I want to gamble $20 plus shipping, though, since they might not even be good enough for handouts. They also might be good red herrings during a Carcosa plot... If anybody has actually ordered any of 'em let us know. Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gatten, Marshall [marshall@fusionone.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:28 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: [DG] The Report (was: Anti-terrorist suggestions) >What about The Report? If it could reveal a lone sniper in Honduras as >well as every Soviet warhead, I would think that pinpointing some caves >in Afghanistan would be a snap. Reading that again just gave me an idea. Mightn't The Report also show locations of all DG operatives? Imagine the fun when a cell finds a page ripped out of the report that lists the three of them and all the hotels they stayed in last month. This could even be sent to them as an anonymous threat. They'll assume they've been made and perhaps panic. Of course, what they don't know is that they've been made all along. Bwah ha ha ha ha! Marshall From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [michelina.ponsetto@tin.it] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:26 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Reading Stuff for Field Ops [wasRE: Anti-terrorist suggestions] Greetings. Look what can happen... Michael Layne wrote > At Rising Star 9, last year, for example, we had a dealer selling > patches for the "Discovery" and "Leonov", the Colonial Marines, the > Nelson Institute of Marine Research, Yoyodyne, and many others! Having about one hour to kill before i go to my Japanese classes, and a brain that's been too badly used these days to do anything constructive, I decided to drop "Yoyodyne" in a Google engine and see what would happen. Turns out it's now a Yahoo company. But perusing Yoyodyne-related links there, I landed here http://www.underground-book.com/index.php3 ... which is a page about a hacker/electronics frontier/general subversion book that was printed in Australia and apparently did not go that far. You can download the whole - the US mirror is dubious, but the European mirror works fine. If it's a waste of time, at least it comes for free. Cheers! Davide Mana Used to sport a Tank Police Cap Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Janusz A. Urbanowicz [alex@bofh.torun.pl] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 12:26 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Shock Experiments The Lizard King wrote/napisał[a]/schrieb: [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > It's been awhile since it was brought up, but the theme is also part of the > Stanford Prison Experiment. A good overview with pictures and some short > video is at > > http://www.prisonexp.org/ [] > "Our planned two-week investigation into the psychology of prison life had > to be ended prematurely after only six days because of what the situation > was doing to the college students who participated. In only a few days, our > guards became sadistic and our prisoners became depressed and showed signs > of extreme stress." The "best" part is that (I believe it was Zimbardo) chief of the experiment who was playing prison's commander also got into the mood. They had a 'prison riot' situation whey a colleague of the chief came nad started asking about somie scientific aspect of the experiment. The chief replied harshly along the lines 'don't waste my time, I have a mutiny in my prison'. Alex -- Janusz A. Urbanowicz | ALEX3-RIPE | SF-Framling | Thawte Web Of Trust Notary Gdy daję biednym chleb, nazywają mnie świętym. Gdy pytam, dlaczego biedni nie mają chleba, nazywają mnie komunistą. - abp. Helder Camara _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 12:43 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: SPOILERS Re: [DG] DG related in that it has to do with WTC and spin control SPOILERS FOR BEYOND THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS S P O I L E R S P A C E At 09:36 AM 10/30/01 -0500, TheGreatCthulhuz@aol.com wrote: >You know, I wonder what the reaction would be if the mythos simultaneously >took over (with a powerful mythos creature at the head of each move-dark >young leading the Catholics, Cthonians "supporting" Christians, etc) all >religions. Release the God-Trap. Evidently, the source of all religions (the human need to believe in a higher power) is either power of the Unknown God emanating from the God-Trap and infecting human consciousness (a less direct yet more widespread effect like Cthulhu's dreaming) and/or some kind of really deep-seated racial memory that the neural ganglia of human ancestors (the seed that would bear human intelligence) was created to feed the God-Trap (I'm not sure how far back this may go as I'm brushing up on history of evolution to try and figure out what mammalian ancestor the ETs turned into God-Trap Food - it could be hominids, primates, lemurs, maybe even amphibian rat-things). >How would DG react to this? They die well. >MJ-12? Use Grey technology to create sleeper ships and get the hell out of Dodge. With inferior propulsion systems, cryogenics, and terra-forming science, the Majestics won't be able to survive long enough to find some adequate rock to turn into Novo Terra, so they start braintaping (digitizing their "consciousness") to download into biologically-modified bodies that can survive in alien environments. This braintaping is not perfect, as quantum computing powerful to contain fully human intellect is also a trigger for Mythos contact and the Majestics are still trying to avoid the Mythos (although the presence of Grey tech has corrupted them, especially through body-modification which leaves them slaves to Shub-Niggurath, and in time they will become worshippers of a sort - more like appeasers). The braintaping gradually erodes their human characteristics and memories, as the linear processing needs room to contain more data. Among those characteristics lost is the ability for intuition. The Majestic civilization spreads through space, and later time as they develop time-gate technology. The descendants of MJ-12 become the Mi-Go. Gil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:14 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: existentialism and the GOO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Davide Mana" > > File this under "personal use of public tools" > > > > It has been a long day on the shores of Neotethys for me, toying with > > > five-dimensional Caenospace. > > > >Good luck. > > > > The Glove Cleaner > > You did actually bring me luck, Andy! > Or so it seems. He he he. This warms my grey old heart. But wait a while, wait a while, before you decide whether good or evil has come from my string-pulling . . . > The main opposition to my statistical analysis of the late Miocene ecology > was phrased as: "We are a scientific institution, by Jove! You just can't > go and start test hypotheses that have not been previously verified." > So I can't check facts that are not a given already. > How's this for the old Scientists as New Priesthood debate? Ah, but except for the few of you who have undergone the Enlightenment of the Mythos, you Italians are surely all wannabee Cardinals & Popes? A strong scientific culture needs Protestantism (or Judaism, arguably). No call for Believers. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:47 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Cthonian activity On 29 October 2001, "talaphid" wrote: >Speaking of the Big Ones and Mad Scientists, this somehow triggered a >memory >of an ACC story that may or may not be of interest for a DG application. I >don't remember the story title, so I suppose spoiler space for those to >weed >out those who believe they've read everything ACCian, and those that >haven't.. > >Harnessing cataclysms for time travel... The story in question is "All the Time in the World". It was first published in "Startling Stories", July 1951, and was later reprinted in the Clarke collection "The Other Side of the Sky". A device depicted in it bears more than a passing resemblance to one in the (non-ACC) novel "The Girl,the Gold Watch, and Everything", and the device depicted in a "Twilight Zone" episode whose title currently escapes me. Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Stango [jstanley@echoman.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:57 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: [DG] Fiction: A Good Book is Hard to Come By -- Part II Comments first: Okay Guys, First off the title of this story in no way implies that this is a good read. I should have put that in the beginning of the first post. It just struck me as funny while I was writing about the book in the first part "Fantasies of Depravity". I originally thought this was gonna be a two-parter, but I am liking where it is going, so with your indulgences I plan on making this a longer work. Second, if you have any criticisms, I would like to hear them. I have a lot of ideas, and am interested in becoming a better hack(writer) than I am now. Third, the first posting contained parts one to three, this one is number four...if you missed it, just let me know and I can mail it to you directly. That's all. Read On. John Stanley. 4. Eyes closed. His soft breathing rose and fell like the tides. A swimming feeling, a soft swaying calm. Following the splendorous silence, Marcus Johnson maneuvered with ease through the folds of his subconscious. The pain of the previous hours occurrences ran away like tiny rivulets. He slept very soundly, really for maybe the first time in his grown up life. He rested in a room with four padded walls, a padded floor and a simple reinforced steel frame bed. The ceiling was fourteen feet above his sleeping form. The door was padded on the inside and locked. The light from the moon filtered through the skylight above the center of the room. It provided all the light the room had. A muffled clanking could be heard from outside the room as the door was unlocked. Inside stepped two figures. Both were dressed in sport coats and slacks. The smaller of the two was female, her brown shoulder length hair was drawn up behind her head in a tight bun. Her fair skin was almost unblemished, and it would be until you look into her eyes that you would think her very out of place in such attire, and in such a profession. Her eyes, a piercing, almost slate-blue were the eyes of someone who had seen all that horrors that she imagined the world could throw her way, and could easily cope with any of them. Under her clothes, her body was kept in very good shape, a benefit of an almost religious exercise program. She could press almost two hundred pounds with her legs, could curl forty easily, and would turn many heads if she walked down the beach with a bikini on. Her muscles were not very evident, it looked more like she was just very toned. Along with physical fitness, she was a self defense savant. Her skills had earned her the admiration of many of her colleagues, and more than a few commendations from the department cheeses. Her quick, decisive actions had diffused many potentially deadly situations, sometimes very painfully for the perps. Her years on the job, first as a patrol officer, and then as a junior detective had hardened her psyche, much more than even that of her partner, who was working on his last few years before retirement, and who now had less than five minutes to live. "So this is Marcus Johnson" Gail Marshall said, as she walked around the side of the bed towards the head of it. She could still feel some tuna caught between her back teeth from the melt she had over at Kay's Kitchen before coming over to Baptist. She worked at it with her tongue, looking at the man's face that lay before her. "Yep", Allan answered. "Doctor says he should be waking up soon, and we can talk to him, at least until or if he goes nuts again." "Good, I wanna close this thing out." She said, thinking about the fitness club she would be visiting later. A gentle hum began from somewhere in the middle of the room, it built very slowly in intensity, at first not noticeable to the occupants. As it increased in volume it sounded remarkably similar to the humming evidenced by an electrical transformer on a pole late in a silent evening. "What is that?" Allan asked, moving closer to Gail, peering over her shoulder at the man asleep before them. "Sounds like its right up there" she said, pointing to an area about four feet above Marcus Johnson. The sound was now accompanied by an increasingly severe vibration, that made their bones seem to shake in their sockets. She looked over at Allan had the same bewilderment on his face that she did. Gail felt wetness on her upper lip, and looked down to see blood flowing from her nose. She yelped, a sound not even audible above the din, and backed away from the table. In the process of doing so, her left foot caught her right ankle and she went down backwards, her arms flailing as she cried out in surprise. When her ass hit the floor two things happened in almost immediate succession. A burst of lights of the strangest colors erupted from the air just a few feet above the now awake man, who lay screaming on the bed. He was thrashing against his restraints and screaming in wild-eyed horror at the thing developing above him. At that moment something passed out of the intensely bright colors that was long and tentacular in shape. In a flash it had extended itself and slammed into Allan's chest with such force that his sternum shattered and the impact drove his body backwards like a rag doll, over Gail and into the wall with a sickening thud. His body crumpled onto the floor, his eyes bulged from their sockets and blood could be seen dripping from his ears, nose and mouth. Gail screamed, stood and instinctively reached for her gun, which was not there. They had checked their weapons at the security desk on the way in. Fuck, she thought as She saw the tentacle retract itself and in one fluid motion punch itself through the front of Marcus Johnson's face. His head popped like a soft grape, and she began to vomit over the front of her clothes. She turned and ran for the door, and began to beat on it screaming to be let out. In the background, the tentacle withdrew back through the schism, and a pop like you might experience in your eardrums was more felt than heard. The door opened, and she rushed out of the room screaming, practically trampling the orderly who had opened it for her. "Get a fucking doctor, open this goddamned gate!!!!" she screamed, her face still covered in her own blood, as well as a bit of the nasty from the unfortunate Mr. Johnson's head. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:42 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com; deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: RE: [DG] Anti-terrorist suggestions Don't forget, MJ-1 is head(?) of at least one major aeronautics business, and we know he regularly leaks advanced tech to them to keep them ahead of the field and making a packet -a sudden order from the US govt for more planes or whatever is a good enough reason for him to block, bury or misdirect anything which could end the war soon - he didn't get to be MJ-1 by letting things slip past him. > On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Gatten, Marshall wrote: > > Two possibilities. > > One, they may simply not want to reveal that they have that kind of > knowledge. > >Nah, if this were the case it would be "Special Forces raid Osama's >hideout after informant gives US his location" and no-one would be the >wiser. > > > Two, and much more in keeping with the atmosphere of DG, Dubya is enjoying > things as they are. If he goes and kills bin Laden, then the power he > currently has will dwindle. Thanks to the terrorists, his approval rating > has sky rocketed. Thanks to the terrorists, he's able to help out his cold > war buddies. Thanks to the terrorists, he's becoming one of the most > powerful people on the planet. Thanks to the terrorists, he can look good > even as he strips away our civil liberties in the name of defending freedom. > >I prefer the Bush is unaware of MJ-12 angle, but regardless, it is up to >MJ-12 to release the location of ObL, or not, if such information resides >in the report (and I can't see why it wouldn't). The current political >climate allows MJ-12 to do all sorts of things. > >-Solidify their position (even more, if such a thing is possible). >-Make billions as individuals by leaking cookbook info that can be used >against Anthrax to Pharamaceutical companies they have a share in. >-Test augmented NRO-DELTA soldiers in actual combat. > >I still like the idea that the Anthrax scare is Yrjo(sp?)/Outlook testing >out a large scale cascade scenario. You really need to know how that pesky >media will act/react, and you can't really figure that out by putting Jim >Lehrer in a box and making Katie Couric give him every increasing >electric shocks... > >-- Tim > >_______________________________________ >The Delta Green Mailing List >http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Greg Muir [gregmuir@adelphia.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 5:44 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Re: existentialism and the GOO > Any other emotion? > This was their job, after all: philosophical research. > So they got a gun, opened a window and fired a shot in a crowd of > students, > killing a girl. That is the most fucked up case of intellectual bullshitism I have ever heard. I mean, this sounds like something out of a novel, one of those things that's brought up to prove a point ubt could never occur in real life. This sounds like Crime and Punishment, where (Alexi, was it?) decided to kill his landlady, just to see if he was a superman. I shouldn't be surprised at what people can bring themsleves to but this is just too much. This is the most dangerous part of human intelligence, the ability to shut off emotion to the point that you can abstract a human life. I think this is a prime example of how selfishness and ignorance is the root cause of all sin. This explains how industrialists can feel content with factories belching toxins and carcinogens into the air: we don't know the people who will die. This explains how car companies and the like can justify not issuing a recall, because if the defect is minor the wrongful death payouts will be less expensive than a full recall. Ugh. I feel dirty now. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Greg Muir [gregmuir@adelphia.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 5:55 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] DG related in that it has to do with WTC and spin control > >http://www.bettybowers.com/nl-nov2001.html > > > >A very interesting look at this from the conservative perspective. Gives > >you > >a feeling of where the other side is coming from. > > uh... I get the feeling, looking further down the page, that this site is > not meant to be taken seriously. ; ) > > Good catch, though! This is one for the bookmarks. > Was an intentional omission. Parodies are funnier when you don't know they're for fun at first. :) Thing is, for a parody it is so dead on true it ain't even funny. My mom is a conservative christian and visits home get rather strained at times. It's never polite to tell your parent that her deeply held religious convictions are "whacked." When explaining the situation behind Robertson and Falwell's belief that the WTC attack came because of "homosexuals and the ACLU", she was indignant that such truths were being portrayed in a media-distorted manner. "I don't think that the ACLU caused the World Trade Center attack but I believe they are symbolic of the great moral decay in this country. This really is the end times." Ah, no. The Holocaust gets my vote as "historical situation most likely to look like the end of the world." That, and the other mass murders of the 20th century -- the Balkans, the Killing Fields, Stalin's gulags, etc. Somehow consenting adults engaging in homosexual activities in the privacy of their own homes doesn't have that same ring of apocalyptic authenticity I'm looking for. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Greg Muir [gregmuir@adelphia.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:06 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] DG related in that it has to do with WTC and spin control > > A very interesting look at this from the conservative perspective. Gives > you > > a feeling of where the other side is coming from. > > > The other side! Speak for yourself, lefty!!!! > > Or do you mean the fundamentalist Christian angle? I grok you there. Hehe. I mean "from the other side of sanity." As a parody, of course. :) > > But my, what a funny site. If all fundamentalist Christians were this > witty, I'd be one. They aren't. > > I can't imagine that. But I can imagine them marching **against** such > entities with a religious motivation. And I *can* imagine Christians > marching to armageddon behind a convincing imitation of angels. Yup. I'm including something like that in a story I'm writing. The Catholic Church stands as the protector of Christendom against the horrors of the godless cosmos and the creatures lurking among the stars. The Puritains believed the New World was Satan's wilderness and the natives were his children. Their settlements were the only islands of moral decency in a land where the wilderness was the devil's playground. Unfortunately for the Chrisitans in the story, the Church is led by Nyarlathotep. Whoops! :) > > All Christians would take the revelation of the Mythos as evidence of the > End Times, and I can certainly, for example, see Christians being > plucked en > masse by entities that have learned to manipulate their doctrines. > > The Rapture, anyone?? > I think that the Church of the Sub-Genius had a rather frightful twist on the Mythos where the followers of the world religions were simply pending cosmic snacks. You spend all this time looking to get to heaven and all you've really done is ensure that your soul is on death's bullet train directly to the waiting maws of the creatures you viewed as your god(s). How's that for a bitch? Live a good life, have your soul consumed by a ravenous cosmic entity. Bah. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Greg Muir [gregmuir@adelphia.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:06 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] DG related in that it has to do with WTC and spin control Personally I think it would be darker and far more fitting for the religions to still outwardly appear normal, just that the intentions are guided ever so slightly wrong, and then the rest comes from there. It only takes a sightly misaligned track to derail a train. Many religions are already barreling out of control towards a sharp curve. Wouldn't take much to make it go offtrack. -----Original Message----- From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com [mailto:owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com]On Behalf Of Stango Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:13 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] DG related in that it has to do with WTC and spin control >>with a powerful mythos creature at the head of each move-dark young leading the Catholics, Cthonians "supporting" Christians They could subtly change the text of various hymnals and actually use the services as a tool for summoning their dark masters. Iä Iä Shub-niggurath!!!! From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 3:19 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG related in that it has to do with WTC and spin control On 29 October 2001, "Greg Muir" wrote: >http://www.bettybowers.com/nl-nov2001.html > >A very interesting look at this from the conservative perspective. Gives >you >a feeling of where the other side is coming from. While a closer examination of the above document seems to indicate it is satirical, I have a sister (luckily living far away, in Greenville, SC) who I can easily imagine saying these things, and meaning them! She has been fanatically fundamentalist, ever since our mother passed away in 1976, and feels I am doomed to eternal perdition for being a Unitarian! > >Just imagine if DG comes to the surface and this simply gives the religious >right more ammunition for a holy war. Imagine good christians marching on >the dark young bearing semi-automatic weapons and singing "Onward Christian >Soldiers." Semi-automatic weapons? Versus a Dark Young? Sounds like prospective martyrs to me! Considering that a DYSN takes only minimum damage from bullet strikes (except for impales), I would not really want to engage such a creature with a weapon with a ROF of 3 or so! In their excellent article "Surviving Encounters with Dark Young" (Soldier of Mythos Magazine, October 2001), operatives CDR Eloise Falworth and CPT Michael Holland mention this problem, and ways to deal with it. "In the absence of magical weapons, the best way to do in a DYSN is to hit him numerous times, while remaining out of his striking range and hoping he has no dangerous ranged spells. Like bee stings, even the low damage of a bullet would add up, either convincing him to go elsewhere, or inflicting enough whole-body damage to take him out of the fight! "While this could be done (and has been done, in the past, by one of the authors) with semiautomatic weapons, a better solution is automatic weapons. H&K MP5s come to mind, or M-4 carbines, or M1928A1 Thompsons for the traditionally minded... An even better weapon for the task would be an M2HB .50 cal MG, mounted in a HMMWV or other 4WD vehicle to enable the agents to keep well clear of the creature while shooting at it, and to speedily escape in the event the MG jams! (A .30 MG or a 5.56mm Minigun would probably do as well, considering how the size of the bullet, provided it penetrates the DYSN's armor, is apparently relatively unimportant... However, the M2HB is arguably more dependable, and has a somewhat longer range.) "A _far_ better solution, of course, would be to evade the Mythos creature entirely, but this is not always going to be possible -- especially if it poses a danger to citizens in the area, or is guarding major cult activity..." As for "Onward Christian Soldiers", it's not currently one of my favorite tunes -- something to do with my sister incessantly playing it (off-key) on the family piano! Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Mr. A.C. Marcy [sarnath7@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 3:33 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG related in that it has to do with WTC and spin control This is somewhat off-topic, so be warned... As far as conservative Christians go, some are pretty bad. However, some of the conservative Mormons make those Christians look rather leftist (I know, a label, but just this once). The spin control that the Mormon church can place upon events is sometimes frightening. I know several ex-Mormons, and some of the material they are taught scares me. Here's an interesting page on how far the LDS will go to prevent some of the truth about Joseph Smith from escaping: www-personal.si.umich.edu/~wmwines/WASP/essays/mormon.html This comment here stole the words right out of my mouth: >Somehow consenting adults engaging in homosexual >activities in the privacy of their own homes doesn't have >that same ring of apocalyptic authenticity I'm looking for. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Greg Muir [gregmuir@adelphia.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Re: MAMMON VII > >I don't think that the feudal mind-set really works in this > case, unless you > >went with a highly modified version of it ala 'Dune'. > > Workers = serfs > Techies = priests > Management = landed warriors > Here is another thought. In your classic feudal system, why are the peasants allowed to exist? Because without them the important people (nobles) would not be able to continue in the manner to which they are accustomed. Well, look at how far we've come in terms of industrializing labor. Every year we see people less and less necessary, or at best semi-skilled operators for machines that do the work that once required skilled artisans and craftsmen. The Black Plague was said to have helped break feudalism because it greatly increased the value of the given individual because the labor supply was so constricted. What happens when mos workers can be done away with? In the short-term we're seeing the rising dichotomy between rich and poor with the cherished middle-class being slowly removed. But given another 50 years, will the poor even be necessary as peasants? Can labor be automated to such an extend that the rich simply take turns in their youth working on machine maintenence rotation? Pay your dues in your youth, social service, then take over daddy's holdings. Would be the equivalent of the old European custom of the young son's of nobles going off to war to prove themselves, then coming back for a life of tea parties and costume balls. And of course the designers of said machines would be among the rich, designers and directions of their production. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Greg Muir [gregmuir@adelphia.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:09 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] DG related in that it has to do with WTC and spin control > While a closer examination of the above document seems to > indicate it is > satirical, I have a sister (luckily living far away, in > Greenville, SC) who > I can easily imagine saying these things, and meaning them! She has been > fanatically fundamentalist, ever since our mother passed away in > 1976, and > feels I am doomed to eternal perdition for being a Unitarian! Ayup. Like I said, got a poor old mum who has similar religious inclinations. I'd feel much better about it if she was in a Shub-Niggurath cult, at least they make no bones about what they're doing! > > > > >Just imagine if DG comes to the surface and this simply gives > the religious > >right more ammunition for a holy war. Imagine good christians marching on > >the dark young bearing semi-automatic weapons and singing > "Onward Christian > >Soldiers." > > Semi-automatic weapons? Versus a Dark Young? Sounds like > prospective > martyrs to me! "Throw us to the lions!" > > Considering that a DYSN takes only minimum damage from bullet strikes > (except for impales), I would not really want to engage such a > creature with > a weapon with a ROF of 3 or so! Well, I doubt many NRA folks have panzerfausts in their personal collection. :) > > > As for "Onward Christian Soldiers", it's not currently one of my > favorite tunes -- something to do with my sister incessantly playing it > (off-key) on the family piano! > Can psychological warfare work against insane creatures? I would love to see a DYSH make a SAN check after hearing your sister's playing. ;) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:16 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Report (was: Anti-terrorist suggestions) From: Gatten, Marshall >Reading that again just gave me an idea. Mightn't The Report also show >locations of all DG operatives? I doubt that data provided by alien fungi would be easily understandable as a list of names and addresses. Majestic probably gets the information in the report rather sporadically, and in a variety of different forms, all of which require translation, analysis and the occasional wild ass guess to decipher. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:37 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Fashion accessories ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Layne" > At Rising Star 9, last year, for example, we had a dealer selling > patches for the "Discovery" and "Leonov", the Colonial Marines, the Nelson > Institute of Marine Research, Yoyodyne, and many others! An NRO-DELTA > soldier, in BDUs with one of these patches on his shoulder, would be > complimented on the patch (and asked where he bought it). He might even be > persuaded to enter Costume Call!:) Prior to switching to an all-black theme for professional wear, I used to wear a fishing vest at work so I'd always have whatever was necessary at hand as I made my rounds. It's sole decoration was a con-purchased patch for "Logic Memory Systems, Urbana IL" on the left breast pocket. It was Halloween everyday for me, costumed as a tech rep on the HAL9000 project. Add an anti-static wriststrap with coiled cord artfully wrapped around my forearm and I was stylin'. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Greg Muir [gregmuir@adelphia.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:26 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: The root of all evil (was Re: [DG] The economics of anthrax) > << where the two merge into one unholy entity?>>> > > Ever since I read William Gibson lo these many years ago. > > Corporations as, knowing or unknowing, fronts for GOO strike me as a rich > plot thread... have to give is some thought once I get this app finished. I think even scarier would be the worshiping of a corporation as a kind of god. The Japanese have already displayed a willingness to sacrifice their health for an organization but this is by extension to their coworkers, their fellows in the company. They can embrace the corporation as a philosophy. What happens when the corporation becomes an actual deity? I don't think it would take too much twisting for people to eventually come to such a mental state. In a monotheistic culture the corporation can represent GOd's will on earth, in a catholic church sense. But in the future, if polytheism ever makes a comeback, you could see the corporation easily invested with godlike aspects. Every household and city had their own gods in Greece and the same went for Rome much later. Just imagine a future where a corporation becomes less an it and more a He. Employees work for Corporation in order to reach the happy afterlife, Pension. Those who do not make the grade are Laid-Off to Hell. You obey the High Executive Officer for he speaks for Corporation. You give of yourself to Corporation and in return He gifts you with much bounty. The paycheck, proof of His existence. Coffee, as much to drink as you could care for, proof of His love. Five times per day you bow down and worship, facing towards the holy temple of Corporation Headquarters. You pray to Corporation for wisdom and guidence so that you may better serve His will. Man, I'm depresed now. I'm going to read some Lovecraft to cheer up. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/