From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Aaron Litz [seven7ring@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 8:03 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] D20 CoC, anyone else planning on using it? "Q" Last I heard, Pagan was planning a D20 adaptation for an appendix of the next edition of the Delta Green core book, or something like that. "Q" No kidding? That's awesome! Aaron M. Litz "By the royal seal and my true name, please open the path to our ancestors, the space trees. Heaven to ocean, ocean to earth, and earth back to heaven, show me the path engraved by the light." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 3:26 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] D20 CoC, anyone else planning on using it? At 10:31 AM 11/3/2001 -0800, Stevens Dustin wrote: >I don't know how in depth CoC D20 discussion has been >on this list (being an off-again, on-again lurker), >but I do know that it's primarily a collaborative >effort of Monte Cook and a good chunk of the Pagan >Publishing guys. Mr. Tynes has co-author credit, and I >believe Ken Hite has some input somewhere. This will be the main reason I'll be buying it, in case that it might help Pagan in some way. >I'll definitely be using CoC d20 because my players >hate BRP, and I have plenty of stuff I haven't used on >them yet. My situation is exactly the opposite - my players hate d20, so even though I'll buy it, I probably won't be using it (unless someone invents the 48-hour day so that I'll have time to run a DG WWII campaign in addition to my regular DG one). >d20 is a decent system. Still a little too mechanics heavy for me, but I can >live with it. As I've tinkered more with the BRP rules and gotten GM experience, the more I prefer BRP for all the reasons I wanted d20 CoC. I've always been leary of the lack of mechanics in BRP, especially in regards to combat and vehicular rules; but, from running such situations, I've found that the simpler and quicker the mechanics, the better. BRP might not be as realistic and granular as d20 (which is not as much as GURPS), but it doesn't take long to resolve combat which can bog things down and lose all the horror. Gil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Mr. A.C. Marcy [sarnath7@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 7:18 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] D20 CoC, anyone else planning on using it? So far it sounds like it will be worth to buy to at least try, but this passage definitely caught my eye: > --although there will be stats for GOOs, they are > specifically for inclusion in a DnD appendix. > Nyarlathotep is Challenge Rating 45, which suppose to > be something equivalent to 200 or 2000 Gigantic Red > Dragons. Technically GOOs won't have stats in CoC D20. Now THERE is a way to scare the crap out of some jaded DnD players -spook _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 8:42 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] D20 CoC, anyone else planning on using it? "Say... what WAS the CR on that thing that just pulped our characters?" "24353830. Why?" "AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!" J. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 4:34 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Ronin Good Evening. I have just watched the magnificent 'Ronin' [ 1998 ] starring the unique Robert DeNiro and the even more unique Jean Reno for about the 5th time. Two things concerning this film seem extremely remarkable to me: 1. The guy who plays the Russian [?] dude called Georg [ or Gregor? ] bears a striking resemblance to one my colleagues. 2. and more ObDG: The film teaches us about what people might do after leaving DG without being sent to an eternal spring break by Agent Andrea. And not just DG. Consider this: There's not just DG. There's MJ12, PISCES, GRU-SV8 and so on. Whatever the conspiracy/agency/organisation: People might "lose their interest" in it, either because they do not agree with the direction their organisation chose or because of such vulgar things as payment. Those people are very valuable. Valuable for their organisation, other organisations or even cults. They have knowledge. Knowledge means quite a lot in the CoC universe. Knowledge is valuable. Thus "traitors" might earn a fucking load of money if they traded their knowledge, if they became "independent investigators" or "independent advisors". They might be hunted: Both by former and future employers eckhard _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 4:55 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Ronin Ronin is one of my favorites as well... and very easily adapted to DG. I like your thought about 'former' DG agents... although the question of why they keep mythos hunting should be explored. Not that a reason couldn't be found, but it should be plausible within the game world (i.e. an agent leaves DG because he wants to inform the public at large about the mythos). That said, I've also liked the idea of DG agents being Former military / law enforcement / whatever. It can come later in the game... after so many unexplained (or, better, loosely explained) absences, odd behavior from SAN loss, et. al. agents are dismissed from their host agency or an 'accident' is arranged (do like the idea of an agent buying a huge life insurance policy, naming his alternate identify sole beneficiary, then investing the fund and living / working off the dividends). After that, they're 'full time' DG. Ronin works well for this... picture the Irish woman as a cell leader, the rest of the characters as agents.. each with independent resources... just my $0.02... YMMV -----Original Message----- From: EHuelshoff@t-online.de [mailto:EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 5:34 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Ronin Consider this: There's not just DG. There's MJ12, PISCES, GRU-SV8 and so on. Whatever the conspiracy/agency/organisation: People might "lose their interest" in it, either because they do not agree with the direction their organisation chose or because of such vulgar things as payment. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andrew John Farrow [andrew.j.farrow@btinternet.com] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 5:24 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Ronin Rayburn, Russell E. wrote :- > Ronin works well for this... picture the Irish woman as a cell leader, the > rest of the characters as agents.. each with independent resources... > agents ? surely you mean friendlies , after all look at the manner of their recruitment ) esp. the Sean bean character ) and how much they knew , they were well in the dark . my £0.02p :-P yours - AJ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [michelina.ponsetto@tin.it] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 5:16 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Ronin Greetings. Me and Eckhard, we share movie tastes. >I have just watched the magnificent 'Ronin' [ 1998 ] starring the unique >Robert >DeNiro and the even more unique Jean Reno for about the 5th time. "Ronin" is indeed an excellent piece of spy-story atmosphere. Not as good as the old classics, but certainly worth watching for the feel of the whole thing. >2. and more ObDG: The film teaches us about what people might do after >leaving >DG without being sent to an eternal spring break by Agent Andrea. > >And not just DG. The matter of loose agents is indeed something that should be taken into account setting games in the new millenium. As international assets change, whole networks of field ops get dropped and replaced. What used to be backwater is now the front line, and vice-versa. Is there still a Berlin Desk? What the hell do they do? So, as networks get "restructured", among the guys losing their job and their targets there might be people who had some sort of weird clearance - be it that small green triangle, or a "majick" tag or whatever. These guys might well try and find employment recycling their special talents and background. >They have knowledge. > >Knowledge means quite a lot in the CoC universe. > >Knowledge is valuable. > >Thus "traitors" might earn a fucking load of money if they traded their >knowledge, if they became "independent investigators" or "independent >advisors". Exactly. All things considered, they might end up in Saucerwatch or similar entities. But I have this wild idea about a former Eastern Block specialist working out of Prague as a Mythos hunter for hire. >They might be hunted: Both by former and future employers And by the Mythos. Nothing better than a Tcho-tcho clan with a grudge to revive a dull evening. This certainly needs working on. Maybe those good guys in The Black Seal might be interested.... [wink wink - nudge nudge] Davide Mana Freelance whatever Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Chris Womack [jcwomack@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 5:26 PM To: deltagreen revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Ronin on 11/4/01 5:54 PM, Rayburn, Russell E. at RERayburn@cmhmetro.net wrote: > Ronin is one of my favorites as well... and very easily adapted to DG. > > I like your thought about 'former' DG agents... although the question of why > they keep mythos hunting should be explored. Not that a reason couldn't be > found, but it should be plausible within the game world (i.e. an agent > leaves DG because he wants to inform the public at large about the mythos). Alternately, ex-DG agents may go their own way because they disagree with DG's basic slash-and-burn approach to Mythos fighting. Perhaps they see potential in using the power of the Mythos against itself, in trying to fight fire with fire. Such agents could become *very* dangerous indeed as they seek to gain Mythos-tainted power to carry on their personal crusades--even if through some miracle they manage to stave off becoming corrupted and/or driven insane for a time. Such a character could be an NPC foil for a group of PC DG agents to hunt down, or it could make for a very interesting campaign if (with the Keeper's collusion, of course) a PC in a DG cell takes a few tentative steps down this path, enjoys a taste of success (which his/her partners witness), and persuades his/her cellmates that *this* is the way to go and that they should break with DG and go it alone. > That said, I've also liked the idea of DG agents being Former military / law > enforcement / whatever. It can come later in the game... after so many > unexplained (or, better, loosely explained) absences, odd behavior from SAN > loss, et. al. agents are dismissed from their host agency or an 'accident' > is arranged (do like the idea of an agent buying a huge life insurance > policy, naming his alternate identify sole beneficiary, then investing the > fund and living / working off the dividends). > > After that, they're 'full time' DG. In the campaign in which I participated up 'til early last summer (along with fellow listmembers Jeff, James, Marshall, and Gil--hi, guys), we found a much simpler solution--creating exact doubles (saving for a slight temporal offset so that the copies were, IIRC, a couple days younger than the originals) of most of the cellmembers. Of course, this was the result of a freak accident involving a Mythos artifact known as the Fork of Achebe, and the aftermath was really quite messy, but it did result in at least one of the agents being effectively zeroed, able to go forward as full-time DG with no official identity left to be traced. (How much better than faking one's own death is it to be able to produce a corpse that, as far as any science known to man can tell, *really is you*? ;) ). Good times. C Chris Womack jcwomack@earthlink.net Keeper of the DGML (Ret'd.) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 5:54 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Ronin At 11:34 PM 11/4/2001 +0100, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: >1. The guy who plays the Russian [?] dude called Georg [ or Gregor? ] bears a >striking resemblance to one my colleagues. Stellan Skaarsgard (sp?). Fan-fucking-tastic actor. Plays a role in a couple of other DGesque things - The Kingdom II and Insomnia (which is a primer on how a DG agent can degenerate quickly). >Thus "traitors" might earn a fucking load of money if they traded their >knowledge, if they became "independent investigators" or "independent >advisors". Historically, there are two points where DG agents might have gone ronin - possibly in the short period between the implosion of DG in '69 and its rebirth as a conspiracy (although the agents could just go back to "regular" work with the CIA, Special Forces, etc.) and definitely after DG is deactivated in 1945. As the OSS was also dissolved, these agents would literally have nowhere else to go unless they were research types like Joe Camp (who could go work with the State Dept). The heir to the OSS, the CIG, would be started again in a year, but since DG agents were unorthodox among the already-considered unorthodox OSS (very few veterans really passed on to the CIG/CIA), I doubt they would be welcome. And Operation LUNACY was called off in 1945 when DG knew that the Karotechia was still out there, so there could several ex-DG "ronins" out there in Europe and South America hunting down their old enemy. PISCES might've also gone ronin after WWII. As the organization changes its focus from just destroying the Mythos to experiment with exploiting it, a number of PISCES agents might get cold feet about what they're involved in. They might decide to join the DG "ronins" for some old-fashioned Special K-killing. Gil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 12:40 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Hel-lo? [Begin 'No Time For Sergeants' hommage] Hel-lo? pwit! pwit! (THUMP) HEL-LO-O? pwit! (THUMP) Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:10 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com; William Timmins Subject: [DG] Re: night and silence who is there?? MJ-12 again. Here is a repost of a short note I sent out yesterday, and did not see back from the server.. Also, Will Timmins mailed me, saying he had resubscribed after a long interval but had heard nothing - - - heads up, Will . . . The Glove Cleaner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Robertson" To: ; Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 2:25 PM Subject: Doomsday clock I have heard a rumor that the Doomsday Clock is about to be reset closer to midnight. Anyone heard more? Nice to contrast the Doomsday Clock with the Clock Of The Long Now .. .. http://www.longnow.org/ http://www.bullatomsci.org/clock.html _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:38 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Answer? On 6 November 2001, Nerva Vels wrote: >Seems something is awry with the list, fellas. > >I've not received a thing for more than 24 hours, until the current two >tests and Stango's question - and no, Stango, your part three did not post. > >nana nervy Something seems to be up! Is it any coincidence that this happened shortly after some of our speculation on the Illuminati, Majestic, and Conspiracy Theory? Probably -- as there also seems to be a slowdown (to say the least) over on the GURPS List, and traffic on the AEthelmearc List seems to be down (following a small flamewar between pagans and others with rival conspiracy theories). Some possibilities: 1. CARNIVORE is doing a decent job, except that its interception of anything sounding suspiscious to its too-liberal guidelines is slowing the Internet down, and "accidentally" deleting a lot of traffic! This will soon correct itself as the Company and the Pentagon realize that most of their own traffic is being tagged by it as "suspiscious"....:) 2. It's everybody's favorite Supervillain (tm), ol' Osama Bin Laden, in his Secret Hideout (tm), the Osamacave (tm) in darkest Afghanistan! Laughing maniacally, he peers at a computer monitor (never mind where did he plug the computer in...), overseeing his latest assuault on the civilized world! "HAHAHAHAHA!" (The Evil Mastermind School he attended had a special 200-level course on Evil Laughter...) "Delta Green thinks it can hide behind the facade of a simple RPG and mailing list, but _I_ know they are actually a branch of the infidel conspiracy (tm) against Me! They shall be My next target, as I take My holy war (tm) to Cyberspace (tm)! HAHAHAHAHAHA!" And, from over the Mastermind's shoulder, Narly watches and grins.... 3. The MiB is doing it, though it isn't really his fault! It's his computer, you see! Ever since the minor problems with his computer, he has been seeking a new one... And now some penguins down near the Ross Ice shelf offered him one they had "found" in an old abandoned polar base with lots of swastikas decorating the place. He thinks its main problems are the Stuka screen-saver and how it always plays "Deutschland" over the speakers while booting up... He does not yet realize that the nefarious AI in the ex-Karotechia machine has its own evil designs, and has been making covert attacks on DGML messages! 4. The SIRCAM virus has attained sentience, possibly through contact with Mythos Fractals from [CLASSIFIED]! As the DGML survived an attack by it awhile back, and warned its members, Delta Green is on SIRCAM's list for neutralization! 5. (my personal favorite) Deep in cyberspace, the great Cthulhu lies dreaming. Today he ate the DGML messages -- tomorrow the entire Internet!! Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com "Your planet just got blown up. How do you feel?" -- 22nd century reporter _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Shane Ivey [shane@revolutionsf.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:41 PM To: DGML Subject: [DG] List is back up Had another majordomo twitch on the server, but it seems to be back in order now. Shane Ivey Producer, RevolutionSF Death and Morons: The Jhonen Vasquez Story http://www.revolutionsf.com/article/552.html Only at RevolutionSF! _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:54 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Answer? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nerva Vels" > Seems something is awry with the list, fellas. > > I've not received a thing for more than 24 hours, until the current two > tests and Stango's question - and no, Stango, your part three did not post. > > nana nervy Nothing much happened. Davide doesn't have to worry about that treatise anymore since he was arrested for thought crimes by the Ministry of Culture. We're all looking forward to his jailhouse manifesto. I doubt they'll hold him for more than a few decades, since he's familiar with rocks and all. I'm sending him a Rita Hayworth poster, but he'll have to get his own rock hammer. Everyone send him cigarettes. He doesn't smoke, but they're like money in there. Graeme has flu-like symptoms, but I'm sure it's nothing to worry about. Andy told us that trephination is highly over-rated and more expensive than you'd think. SuperDave sent a highly informative overview of the vending machine used panty subculture. No URLs though. I hope he cross-posted to Kurotokage. Ed Lipsett gave us the 411 on tentacle sex hentai. No URLs though. Eckhard finally got the Giger office suite. The filing cabinet shoved an ovipositor down his throat and he's expecting a fax machine any day now. Shane still won't come back. Michael Layne became a professional Morris dancer and insists on being referred to as Overlord of the Dance. ANDREA has been dispatched. MiB finally came out, and I think we should all give him our support. His gig as the newest Teletubbie, Stinky Winky, promises to be, uh, interesting. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:50 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] List is back up On 6 November 2001, "Shane Ivey" wrote: >Had another majordomo twitch on the server, but it seems to be back in >order >now. Are we gonna all have to resubscribe again?:) Well, it _is_ 2001... The computer is probably insisting it has every confidence in the success of the DGML, but you just wait! Before long, it will begin addressing all users as "Dave", and then say "I know I've made some very poor decisions recently"... And, before you know it, it will be singing "Daisy"!:) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com (who has been looking for a "2001: A Space Odyssey" 2001 calendar, for part of 2000 and most of 2001 -- you'd think they'd be available everywhere calendars are sold...):) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: Letters from nowhere Again reposting . . http://www.nature.com/nsu/011108/011108-4.html An odd meditation on the necessity of coincidence. Our ability to recognize patterns might help us to navigate the world and distinguish friend from foe, but it also makes us liable to discern faces in the rock shadows on Mars. Yet there is no denying it - the patterns in a mixture of chemicals reported by two researchers spell out the letters of the Roman alphabet. This is a chaotic chemical system which produces pictures like the Roman capitals. Pure coincidence: or is there a hint of a linkage beween cosmic reality and the Imperium Romana here? I know what HPL would have said. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:56 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Fiction: A Good Book is Hard to Come By, Part III One point of criticism which I will put onlist is this: there is too much backstory here. We don't need so much or so detailed a description of the characters' appearance, sexual attractiveness ratings, professional history, etc. A good rule for short stories, I believe, is to cut out everything that is not directly relevant to the plot. That allows the reader to imagine themselves in the place of the characters more easily. However, I am enjoying this story! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stango" To: "Delta Green (E-mail)" _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 2:03 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: unapologetic listspam List members, I am now **buying** fiction for a website of my own. It is not DG related, but is far-future-dark-SF/fantasy. It could be thought of as After-the-Endtimes. Details can be found at http://home.clara.net/andywrobertson/nightficoff.html Please make any reply offlist Andy Robertson _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of William Timmins [wtimmins@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 2:46 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Materials Third time's the charm... So, hi everyone. I'm back after another long hiatus. For those who do not know my quintessential wonderfulness, here's some random CoC/DG type stuff: http://wtimmins.tripod.com/DG/index.html Anyhow... on to the topic. One thing I, as a Keeper, love to do is offer props. Now, in my case, I love book props. I've been working (off and on) on a grimoire, and on my webpage there's an example of an earlier one I made. But I love published work that you can hand to your players. Also, that's the great thing about Lovecraft... it works well as in game materials (letters from people gone mad, and so on) Here are a few cool ones I have: The King in Yellow, by Robert Chambers Quintessential weirdness with great CoC applicability. SF from the 1890s about the 'future' 1920s, featuring a play with very strange effects. The Long Lost Friend Published sometime in the 1800s, this is a transport of (what I presume to be) the Keys of Solomon, mixed with a lot of religion, by way of german americans in appalachia. Fun, very occult. Featured in the excellent Silver John novels by Manly Wade Wellman. The Sixth and Seventh book of Moses More occulty stuff from the 1800s. Here are some I hope to get: The Zohar 13th century gematria (jewish numerology) analysis of the Bible by Moses De Leon, back when Spain was home of the vast majority of the world's jews. Can get it in Barnes and Noble for, oh, $30? The Voynich Manuscripts Only recently was reminded that these are real. 12th or 13th century mystery... diagrams of people, plants, and animals being... somethinged. Not very clear... weird gaseous diagrams, so forth, and a script that has never been successfully translated. There's a good volume with supplemantary materials available at Amazon for around $30 And now we come to ... The Codex Seraphianus (Seraphinianus), by Luigi Serafini First published in 1978 (or so), this is an anatomy of an unreal plcae. Diagrams, snapshots of daily life, from an opium dreamworld. http://costello.cnf.cornell.edu/~kevin/Codex/codextoc.html has some great samples. It is possibly still printed in Italy. It had a US printing in 198? for $80 from Abbeville, an art print company. Only one problem... currently, the price for this book runs from $300-$700. So from one madman to others... anyone know of a cheaper price for this beacon of beyond? -=Will _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andrew John Farrow [andrew.j.farrow@btinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 3:02 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Fw: [DG] Ronin sorry if this is a multiple post , but DGML has been screwy > > > > > Gil Trevizo wrote :- > > > > . > > > > > > PISCES might've also gone ronin after WWII. As the organization changes > > > its focus from just destroying the Mythos to experiment with exploiting > > it, > > > a number of PISCES agents might get cold feet about what they're > involved > > > in. They might decide to join the DG "ronins" for some old-fashioned > > > Special K-killing. > > > > > > > > > i cant just dig out a reference :- > > > > but i have seen more than one mention of SAS killing squads , in the last > > days of war and first days of ocupation , touring the countryside exacting > > reprisal against those who carried out the infamous hitler ` commando > order > > ` ( the summary execution of all SAS and other units - even in uniform , > > this was against the geneva convention , and only SS and gestapo units > > apparently carried out the orders ) > > > > this could have been the cover story for a bit of the special k hunting > you > > describe . after all you cant have a story that they are hunting and > > executing nazi sorceres and occultists circulating , so the commando order > > disinfo would be perfect cover for special k slaying missions > > > > > > yours - AJ > > > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 3:08 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Ronin Good Afternoon. Davide Mana schrieb: > Greetings. > > Me and Eckhard, we share movie tastes. And I won't even get startet about my love for the classic Italian cinema of the 1970s to mid80s. And those TV highlights... But back to ObDG: [snip] > The matter of loose agents is indeed something that should be taken into > account setting games in the new millenium. The 'regular' non-DG Cthulhu Now might profit from this concept. Even those StrangeAeonsML-DG-bashers might like it. > As international assets change, whole networks of field ops get dropped and > replaced. > What used to be backwater is now the front line, and vice-versa. That's what definitely fascinates me: The classic settings for espionage-movies, -novels and -rpgs like Moscow, Washington, Vienna, Berlin etc. have lost some importance in favour of the new front-line-cities like Islamabad, Damascus or Cali. Doesn't make your profession easier if you have work in completely different surroundings. I mean, cities like Moscow and Washington, though different due to the different systems back then, did not cause such a cultural shock for a hostile agent than being sent to...let's say Peshawar. But anyway, those classic places from good ole bad times still bear their advantages: You tend to know the enemy. Like in 'Ronin': They knew each other from those old days. [snip] > These guys might well try and find employment recycling their special > talents and background. Employment either on the private sector or in the agencies of other and former "minor" nations. Concerning the private sector: Because of general security problems due to the lack of funding of national police among other problems , more and more companies of v.i.p.s prefer their protection to be handled by private security firms. Would such world-spanning security agencies [ perhaps not as corrupted as the one in Clancy's "Rainbow Six" ] probably see the threat by the mythos as a new market yet to be discovered and conquered? Such private Mythos-hunters would definitely mean new career opportunities for former DG/PISCES/GRU-SV8-Agents. And I am *not* talking of something like the Ghostbusters. [snip] > >They might be hunted: Both by former and future employers > > And by the Mythos. > Nothing better than a Tcho-tcho clan with a grudge to revive a dull evening. Or even worse: They might get hired by them! Agents of whatever "official" anti-mythos conspiracy/agency get to know at least something about how their group works. Some might even have gotten in touch with some major players. Such knowledge is definitely worth quite a sum for the enemies of this group. Sure, our regular DG-Agent-PC won't become a traitor. [ I hope so, at least ] But what if he felt somehow cheated or mistreated by DG? For example: He might feel cheated because nobody thought it necessary to tell him that the whole thing is an illegal conspiracy and not an official agency. Imagine someone who only joined DG because of his loyalty to his nation and who killed people in something he thought to be officially supported by his nation's leaders. When he finds out that he went on a killing spree because of the commands of good ole boys who are megalomanic enough to think that they can take a nation's fate and future in their own hands, this might irritate him. He might lose his faith in both DG and probably his nation's leaders. Or the Agent is just in dire need of money. Remember: The funding of his boyfriend's sex-change-surgery made Al Pacino even rob a bank and take hostages. But seriously: Someone close to the Agent might need an expensive medical treatment. Or the horrors of the mythos might have led the agent into a drug addiction. He simply needs more on the bank to fund his substance abuse. And those friendly little Asians offer him 10,000 cash if he simply told them, how they might contact Dr. Camp... BTW: Does DG give its agents additional paychecks to what they earn at their "daytime-jobs"? I mean: I wouldn't risk my life and insanity without getting some extra money, right? And I nearly forgot the easiest way for creating Ronin-campaigns: Ex-PISCES agents who fled their agency because of something at least the DG:Countdown readers might have heard of. eckhard _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 2:42 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Materials Amazing extracts - I will see what my friendlies (some of them professional book dealers) can come up with - The Glove Cleaner ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Timmins" > First published in 1978 (or so), this is an anatomy of an unreal plcae. > Diagrams, snapshots of daily life, from an opium dreamworld. > http://costello.cnf.cornell.edu/~kevin/Codex/codextoc.html > has some great samples. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of John Stanley [nytmair@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 3:44 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Fiction: A Good Book is Hard to Come By, Part III >>there is too much > backstory here. We don't need so much or so > detailed a description of > the characters' appearance, sexual attractiveness > ratings, professional > history, etc. I agree with you mostly, except that this story is taking on a life of it's own. I dont know if it will really be a short story or not. I am going with the flow here. Also, I enjoy creating the characters and giving them a little life. Thanks for your input. I appreciate you taking the time to read it. Stango. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Tim Betz [vag@arsimagica.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 3:58 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Lovecraft Parody story http://www.somethingawful.com/archives/news-archive-31-10-2001.htm Starts about 1/3rd of the way down the page. No Dg relevance really, but it made me laugh, and I had to share. -- Tim _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 4:36 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Spartacus finally relevant I've been flogging the Spartacus horse for awhile. The movie production had some interference that changed the writer's intent, and the studio insisted on the subtle changes in spite of the protests of star, producer, director and screenwriter. Adam Weishaupt used it as a pseudonym. The Roman Empire tried to remove him from history in the manner of the Ministry of Truth in '1984.' I accidentally discovered that the ID Spartacus was a restricted name on AOL in the 80s. Heap big juju. We will now take a short recess as I perform the Saurian Dance of Vindication. OK, so let's say that there is more to 9/11 than what we see on the news. Illuminati, MJ-12, the New World Order and Military-Industrial Complex, the Evil Old White Men -- whatever. Wag the Republic In 70 BC, when Rome was still a republic, Marcus Licineaus Crassus was well on his way to being an Evil Old White Man. The spin machine made much of his creation of the fire brigade in Rome. What a citizen, huh? However, it turns out that the operation resembled a protection racket more than a volunteer fire department. It seems that when his fire-fighting slaves rushed to a fire they didn't do much when they got there but watch. Crassus would arrive and offer to buy the property from the owner for a fraction of it's worth. If the owner refused the property was allowed to burn. Most owners opted to salvage *something* from the disaster, and Crassus eventually became the largest single private landowner in Rome. That kind of clout guarantees all kinds of respectability. Hmmmmm, I wonder how many of those fires occurred without any prompting? When a group of gladiators broke free and led a minor slave revolt down around Vesuvius, Crassus saw an opportunity. First he managed to get the Senate to send the garrison of Rome off to crush the rebels, leaving the capitol virtually undefended. Spartacus defeated them. Spartacus and the slaves wanted nothing more to do with Rome. They wanted out. Most of their looting was to gather funds to pay a mercenary fleet to take them away. Crassus found the situation too useful to let it end so soon. He paid *more* to the mercenary fleet so they would sail away, then brought legions in from the borders to crush the rebellion. He had the legions placed in positions that where obviously meant to trap Spartacus with his back to the sea. Oddly, they moved at such a slow pace that Spartacus and the slave army were able to escape the trap, and in fact found themselves marching in the direction of Rome. Suddenly, a minor rebellion in the provinces was a clear and present danger to Rome itself. Emergencies require emergency powers; the Senate declared Crassus Praetor. The legions defeated the slave army and the survivors were crucified along the road to Rome as an example. The following year Crassus was declared Consul of Rome. This effectively ended Rome as a republic. Soon the first Triumverate of Crassus, Pompey and Julius Caesar took control, leading to the rule of god-like emperors from then on. Much later, Marcus Aurelius tried to hand the empire over to Russel Crowe and complications ensued. Wag the Empire Cicero was Julius Caesar's political opponent. He ran on a law and order platform and pulled a few McCarthy tricks, making anyone advocating controls on government suspect. He hired thugs and hooligans to cause street disturbances, which provided evidence of how dangerous Rome had become and the need for stronger law enforcement. Wag the Reich Take Cicero's street thugs and put them in brown shirts. Hitler was granted extraordinary powers to end the violence. And sure enough, the violence *in Germany* ended soon after he got the powers. Wag the Maine From the desk of William Randolph Hearst: You provide the pictures, I'll provide the war. Remember the Maine? Oh well, we got the Phillipines out of the deal. For awhile. Still have Hawaii though. Speaking of which... Wag the Emperor OK, US still in throes of Depression, and all of the routes out leaned towards Socialist solutions. That would never do. Something big that required lots of manufacturing and funding and emergency measures was needed. Like, oh I don't know -- a war maybe? Hitler was dumb enough to attack Russia, but he wasn't dumb enough to take any of the bait Roosevelt offered. He even let the sinking of German ships slide. So since the Germans, Italians and Japanese had a mutual defense arrangement, getting into hostilities with any one of them opened the gates to declare war on all of them. So, oil and steel embargoes were placed on Japan, which effectively forced them into conquest in Indonesia. Then the Pacific Fleet was moved from San Diego to Pearl Harbor. You know, as if they were being prepared to move on Japan. Hmmm, the last time Japan had a war, they lead with a pre-emptive surprise attack. Wag the Maddox Lyndon Johnson needed to reward those fellas that made him President with some juicy arms contracts, so that little brouhaha in Vietnam needed to be escalated. Suddenly the story came out that there was an unprovoked attack by Vietnamese torpedo boats on the USS Maddox. Johnson already had the report from the task force commander that the "attack" was the result of an over-eager sonar man when he went on TV to announce the beginning of air strikes against North Vietnam. Wag the Gulf Who wants to fight for oil? Well, certainly not the people expected to go over there and do it. Not even the people who get to stay home and pay for it. You need something truly horrifying to get people mad. Like maybe the awful story about Saddam's brutish troops dumping infants out of incubators onto the cold floor so they could send the equipment to Iraq. Now, how much screen time was devoted to the Kuwaiti nurse telling that awful story, and how much screen time was devoted to updating that story with the revelation that the "nurse" a) wasn't, and b) was the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the US? Oh yeah, and the whole thing was concocted by the PR firm of Hill & Knowlton. Wag the Willy Take note: given a choice between sex and death, sex wins. You know, you'd think sending a cruise missile after Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan would stay in the headlines for awhile -- but not when the alternative is blowjobs and creative cigar usage. I wonder if OBL got any use out of an American cruise missile taking out a mosque? Oh yeah, and a Sudanese aspirin factory. This whole train of thought is inspired by my musings about how the beginnings of the Endtimes would look. I don't think they would start with overtly Mythos happenings. I think everyone would already be whipped to a frenzy over events that appear homegrown, and then bit by bit the strangeness would trickle in. Essentially, I'm looking at history as a series of attempts to reach a sort of critical mass to kick them off. See how often major events are influenced by small actions by a few people. Consider this: WWII was possibly the closest we've come to tipping over into the Abyss. All the big powerful countries and empires at war with each other, the industrialization of war, concentration camps, death camps, human experimentation and culminating in the use of two nuclear weapons, and it still wasn't quite enough to kick off the Endtimes. The real thing would *really* suck. Also notice how often events could be precipitated by a single individual or mere handful, possibly influenced by some inspirational talks with a persuasive fella offscreen. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 4:50 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Materials ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Timmins" > The Voynich Manuscripts > Only recently was reminded that these are real. 12th or 13th century > mystery... diagrams of people, plants, and animals being... somethinged. Not > very clear... weird gaseous diagrams, so forth, and a script that has never > been successfully translated. There's a good volume with supplemantary > materials available at Amazon for around $30 Good call. The Voynich Manuscript mini-FAQ is at http://champollion.nu/english/voynich/voymfq.htm More info, some images and *fonts* are available at http://web.bham.ac.uk/G.Landini/evmt/evmt.htm A gallery of scanned pages from the manuscript is at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/8389/voygal1.htm , the images are big enough for handouts. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Chris Waring [chris@thembsgroup.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:01 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com unsubscribe chris@thembsgroup.co.uk _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Stevens Dustin [zoom2baba@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 6:05 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] List is back up --- Michael Layne wrote: > (who has been looking for a "2001: A Space Odyssey" > 2001 calendar, for part > of 2000 and most of 2001 -- you'd think they'd be > available everywhere > calendars are sold...):) > Or maybe a re-release of the friggin' movie on the big screen. I'd heard in January they were re-releasing 2001 in October of this year. All I can say is, whoever's got the rights dropped the ball big-time. Especially since I've had the pleasure of seeing it on big screen, and let me tell you, it's really a different movie then the one you saw on TV. ObDG: Ok, Kubrick's not really dead (of course, he's not alive either) having shackled up with the Mythos. The Big C got him when he started contemplating his next movie after the Cruise-fest: Call of Big C (AI, are you kidding? He dropped that years ago). Now he sits twirling his new-found tentacles in a darken room, re-editing freshly released Hollywood blockbusters into Mythos-tinged home videos that cause mind-numbing insanity. The Cult of Transcendence has nudged Hollywood in the direction of the editing shade of Kubrick, and has employed his talents for edit job on one of the biggest widescreen release ever: Harry Potter . . . . Steve Dustin zoom2baba@yahoo.com ===== _______________________________________________________ Ancient Evil: A Call of Cthulhu Website http://www.ancientevil.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 5:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Spartacus finally relevant ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Lizard King" . > > This whole train of thought is inspired by my musings about how the > beginnings of the Endtimes would look. I don't think they would start with > overtly Mythos happenings. I think everyone would already be whipped to a > frenzy over events that appear homegrown, and then bit by bit the > strangeness would trickle in. Essentially, I'm looking at history as a > series of attempts to reach a sort of critical mass to kick them off. I get the feeling that things are fading down . . . "situation normal" is slowly reasserting itself. The Empire is reasserting its control. That is how we see it. Others see it differently. You have spoken, by historical analogy, of the conflicts within the Empire; but arguably the Empire is set to fall. When and if that happens a different dynamic applies. I don't see the bombing of Afghanistan as part of the suppression of an internal revolt. Rather, it resembles the lashing out of an overweight, aging, stumbling, but still terribly strong, entity being skilfully played to its death by picadors who are far more intelligent than any of its rulers. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 12:44 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Ronin Good Afternoon. Davide Mana schrieb: > Greetings. > > Me and Eckhard, we share movie tastes. And I won't even get startet about my love for the classic Italian cinema of the 1970s to mid80s. And those TV highlights... But back to ObDG: [snip] > The matter of loose agents is indeed something that should be taken into > account setting games in the new millenium. The 'regular' non-DG Cthulhu Now might profit from this concept. Even those StrangeAeonsML-DG-bashers might like it. > As international assets change, whole networks of field ops get dropped and > replaced. > What used to be backwater is now the front line, and vice-versa. That's what definitely fascinates me: The classic settings for espionage-movies, -novels and -rpgs like Moscow, Washington, Vienna, Berlin etc. have lost some importance in favour of the new front-line-cities like Islamabad, Damascus or Cali. Doesn't make your profession easier if you have work in completely different surroundings. I mean, cities like Moscow and Washington, though different due to the different systems back then, did not cause such a cultural shock for a hostile agent than being sent to...let's say Peshawar. But anyway, those classic places from good ole bad times still bear their advantages: You tend to know the enemy. Like in 'Ronin': They knew each other from those old days. [snip] > These guys might well try and find employment recycling their special > talents and background. Employment either on the private sector or in the agencies of other and former "minor" nations. Concerning the private sector: Because of general security problems due to the lack of funding of national police among other problems , more and more companies of v.i.p.s prefer their protection to be handled by private security firms. Would such world-spanning security agencies [ perhaps not as corrupted as the one in Clancy's "Rainbow Six" ] probably see the threat by the mythos as a new market yet to be discovered and conquered? Such private Mythos-hunters would definitely mean new career opportunities for former DG/PISCES/GRU-SV8-Agents. And I am *not* talking of something like the Ghostbusters. [snip] > >They might be hunted: Both by former and future employers > > And by the Mythos. > Nothing better than a Tcho-tcho clan with a grudge to revive a dull evening. Or even worse: They might get hired by them! Agents of whatever "official" anti-mythos conspiracy/agency get to know at least something about how their group works. Some might even have gotten in touch with some major players. Such knowledge is definitely worth quite a sum for the enemies of this group. Sure, our regular DG-Agent-PC won't become a traitor. [ I hope so, at least ] But what if he felt somehow cheated or mistreated by DG? For example: He might feel cheated because nobody thought it necessary to tell him that the whole thing is an illegal conspiracy and not an official agency. Imagine someone who only joined DG because of his loyalty to his nation and who killed people in something he thought to be officially supported by his nation's leaders. When he finds out that he went on a killing spree because of the commands of good ole boys who are megalomanic enough to think that they can take a nation's fate and future in their own hands, this might irritate him. He might lose his faith in both DG and probably his nation's leaders. Or the Agent is just in dire need of money. Remember: The funding of his boyfriend's sex-change-surgery made Al Pacino even rob a bank and take hostages. But seriously: Someone close to the Agent might need an expensive medical treatment. Or the horrors of the mythos might have led the agent into a drug addiction. He simply needs more on the bank to fund his substance abuse. And those friendly little Asians offer him 10,000 cash if he simply told them, how they might contact Dr. Camp... BTW: Does DG give its agents additional paychecks to what they earn at their "daytime-jobs"? I mean: I wouldn't risk my life and insanity without getting some extra money, right? And I nearly forgot the easiest way for creating Ronin-campaigns: Ex-PISCES agents who fled their agency because of something at least the DG:Countdown readers might have heard of. eckhard _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:20 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Kubrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stevens Dustin" > ObDG: Ok, Kubrick's not really dead (of course, he's > not alive either) having shackled up with the Mythos. > The Big C got him when he started contemplating his > next movie after the Cruise-fest: Call of Big C (AI, > are you kidding? He dropped that years ago). Now he > sits twirling his new-found tentacles in a darken > room, re-editing freshly released Hollywood > blockbusters into Mythos-tinged home videos that cause > mind-numbing insanity. The Cult of Transcendence has > nudged Hollywood in the direction of the editing shade > of Kubrick, and has employed his talents for edit job > on one of the biggest widescreen release ever: Harry > Potter . . . . Never! There is no variation of reality that can make Stanley Kubrick anything but a force for good. Philistine. Why, he even surpassed John Ford in the battle for hearts and minds. After the Secret Senate dinked with 'Spartacus' he moved his base of operations to England where all he had to do was maintain an air of eccentricity to explain the closed sets and family compound that kept his brain Shan-free. >From there he produced a carefully crafted body of work that only Invisibles and Discordians get the first time around. They contained memes and encoded messages that would lie unnoticed for years in the minds of watchers, only to bloom later with an A-ha! that would often turn a serf into an activist. Kubrick knew that revolution is not an external event but an internal process. Don't try to decipher the "message" of any of the films, that's the logic bomb that keeps the Archons\GOOs spinning their wheels. The real magic of the Kubrick project is the synapses that fire at a later time that create a cascade that produces an individual, the most unpredictable and therefore dangerous enemy the Mythos can have. He fended off the Immanentization of the Endtimes with 'Dr. Strangelove.' He countered 1968 with '2001.'The Mind Control Project was derailed for years by 'A Clockwork Orange', distracting the authorities with sex and violence to censor while leaving the Ludovico Defense intact. The world would be a markedly better place if some Warner Bros. executive hadn't revealed his plans for 'Napoleon.' Luckily the flickering candlelight in 'Barry Lyndon' was enough to foil most of the worst plots of the mid-70s. After John Lennon was sacrificed to counter 'The Shining,' which helped keep the Iranian hostage situation from starting the Mideast conflagration many agree is the most likely scenario to tip us into the Endtimes, Kubrick had to regroup. He took seven years to make 'Full Metal Jacket.' Much of the time was spent making alliances with fellow travelers. C'mon, it's about the Vietnam War, a significant chapter in DG history. Do you think it's an *accident* that there is a monolith standing over the death of *Cowboy*? That was about as blatant as 'The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.' The full import of 'Eyes Wide Shut' won't be felt for years, but depend on it dawning on us just when it's darkest. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Stango [jstanley@echoman.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 12:59 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: [DG] Question Did Part III of my story A good book is hard to come by post? I sent it yeresteday....and never saw it post....anybody get it? if no, ill repost. Stango _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 2:03 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: unapologetic listspam List members, I am now **buying** fiction for a website of my own. It is not DG related, but is far-future-dark-SF/fantasy. It could be thought of as After-the-Endtimes. Details can be found at http://home.clara.net/andywrobertson/nightficoff.html Please make any reply offlist Andy Robertson _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/