From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Shane Mclean [Shane.Mclean@t-online.de]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:36 PM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: [DG] Hit Points and Guns in D20 CoC
Hey all,
On the off-chance they do the normal hit point system (unlikely,
or those tentacled horrors become less intimidating), or create an
alternative that doesn't work for you, I submit these links to an
alternative set of rules on a site called The Sleeping Imperium. The
setting doesn't do anyhting for me, but the Grim and Gritty Hit Point Rules
and the Firearms rules are interesting. I intend to use the HP rules in a
D20 Legend oft he Five Rings game, as they do dangerous rather well, and
appear to work...
Enough blathering and on with the links:
http://www.sleepingimperium.rpghost.com/downloads/GrimNGrittyHitPointRules.p
df
http://www.sleepingimperium.rpghost.com/downloads/firearms.pdf
Hope these are of interest.
Take care,
Shane
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Chris Womack [jcwomack@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 4:05 PM
To: deltagreen revolutionsf.com
Subject: Current Events in Campaigns (was Re: [DG] D20 CoC and Delta Green)
on 11/12/01 2:25 PM, Randell.Wolff@kctcs.net at Randell.Wolff@kctcs.net
wrote:
> [...] I'm thinking about starting up my old Delta Green
> campaign. (It's been about six months since we've played.) With the
> current state of affairs in the world (terrorist attacks, war in
> Afghanistan), I'm not sure how to go about a campaign involving government
> agents. Should I incorporate the attacks and war into the storyline
> somehow, or would that be in bad taste (as I fear it would be). Should I
> just leave it alone? Ignore that it happened?
Okay, so I'm not actually involved in a campaign at present, but here's an
argument in favor of somehow including recent events in a game, at least in
the background. Last night I watched the season opener of the X-Files, and
the thing that struck me (aside from a general distaste for how terminally
lame the show has become) was the fact that *nowhere* was there the least
mention of events of the past two months. Granted, the show was scripted and
filmed long before, and hell, in the show's timeline it was even *set*
before those events (picking up, as it did, a nebulous "48 hours later" from
where last season left off), but nevertheless it just struck me as way wrong
that a crew of FBI agents would have their collective knickers in a twist
over any piddly little internal investigation when there are now officially
bigger fish to fry. I just felt like all preexisting conspiracies were just
sort of rendered lame and meaningless by recent events.
I can't shake this notion that, for all the usual suspects we like to focus
on in the DG-verse, the events of 9/11--and more importantly, all the
boatloads of follow-up investigation work--must now be, if not an overriding
priority, then at least this big hulking *thing* standing there in the
background that won't go away and won't let you ignore it. Now, whether
these events should be worked into your game as the signs and/or results of
horrible Mythos activity is up to you, but at the very least it should stand
in as a preoccupation for PC's. They've now got all this 9/11-related crap
to wade through *on top of* their regular case load, weighing them down
before they can even begin thinking about Mythos nasties.
This would definitely be a bad time to be a DG agent. As if the Mythos
weren't bad enough, everyday reality is now just as nasty, depressing, and
SAN-blasting. The intelligence community has just had a whole new protracted
war of at-best-questionable outcome dumped in their collective lap, and has
been told "you get to be in the vanguard on this one." Now, if this war and
the secret one that DG fights turn out to be the same war, well, that's bad.
But even if they're not, it's *still* bad. The only thing worse than trying
to save humanity in a futile struggle against unfathomable alien horror that
I can think of is trying to save humanity in a futile struggle against
unfathomable alien horror while humanity is hard at work trying to destroy
itself from the inside out.
Apologies for rambling; to get back to the question at hand, while I can't
speak for every potential player, for my part even if it might be in bad
taste to capitalize on current events in a campaign, it's now to the point
where it would be in worse taste to ignore them, as witnessed by my reaction
to the season opener of the X-Files, which did just that.
Okay, so I shut up now. Carry on.
Chris Womack
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 4:47 PM
To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com'
Subject: RE: Current Events in Campaigns (was Re: [DG] D20 CoC and Delta Green)
I like the idea of Agents unable to go after the Mythos because they're too
bogged down with 9/11.
If your players are agreeable (or even if they're not *snicker*) have them
be Friendlies. Not law enforcement officers per say, but someone recruited
by an active agent to deal with Really Bad Things (tm). In other words,
Agents now become more like case officers. Any Friendly who survives might
become more like an agent.
This could come complete with fake id (so the friendlies have something to
show the nice policeman when he notices the gauge under the trench), secret
code words, etc.
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From: Chris Womack [mailto:jcwomack@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 5:05 PM
To: deltagreen revolutionsf.com
Subject: Current Events in Campaigns (was Re: [DG] D20 CoC and Delta
Green)
I can't shake this notion that, for all the usual suspects we like to focus
on in the DG-verse, the events of 9/11--and more importantly, all the
boatloads of follow-up investigation work--must now be, if not an overriding
priority, then at least this big hulking *thing* standing there in the
background that won't go away and won't let you ignore it.
They've now got all this 9/11-related crap
to wade through *on top of* their regular case load, weighing them down
before they can even begin thinking about Mythos nasties.
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Stevens Dustin [zoom2baba@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 4:54 PM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: Re: Current Events in Campaigns (was Re: [DG] D20 CoC and Delta Green)
--- Chris Womack wrote:
> Apologies for rambling; to get back to the question
> at hand, while I can't
> speak for every potential player, for my part even
> if it might be in bad
> taste to capitalize on current events in a campaign,
> it's now to the point
> where it would be in worse taste to ignore them, as
> witnessed by my reaction
> to the season opener of the X-Files, which did just
> that.
I've had a campaign idea bumping around my head for
about a year now due to the intifada that I wanted to
play but never fully fleshed out. Thanks to the events
on 9/11 its rendered my campaign fairly impotent, and
also needing to be reworked in a bad way. It was to
involve Jerusalem, the Templars, the Assassins, the
Holy Grail, the Mossad, the Karotechia, and the
Palestinians. After reading The Coming Anarchy by
Richard Kaplan, I was gonna move the climax of the
action into Africa with a nod toward unstable tribal
countries like Somalia or Sierra Leone. But, now,
thanks to Osama I'm practically back at square one.
Thanks, jerk.
What makes it worse is that 9/11 makes a lot of
scenarios anti-climatic. The next step is the nuclear
bomb (or the unleash of Azathoth). And now that has
become much closer to reality, I don't know if I have
the stomach to roleplay what could be THE future
catastrophe within the next 20 years.
The easiest way to address current actions, without
having to tread on the grave of thousands, is to now
run that Vietnam SEALS DG game everyone's been
thinking of, only switch it to Afghanistan (especially
during the winter, when major fighting is likely to
lull). I'm sure there's plenty of hidden valleys,
caves, cultists, and GOOs in the Hindu Kush Mountains.
Plateau of Leng or Tsang, anyone?
Steve Dustin
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Tim Betz [vag@arsimagica.net]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 6:16 PM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: [DG] Antarctic station silenced by fires
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/2001/11/13/FFXAA944XTC.html
A series of fires caused loss of communications with Australia's Antarctic
Station.
DG raid perhaps?
Something more nefarious?
All eaten and replaced by shoggoths?
"Ever-y one is fine. Please send us more of this mus-tard substance."
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ElLocoToro@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 7:21 PM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: Re: Current Events in Campaigns (was Re: [DG] D20 CoC and Delta Green)
In a message dated 11.13.2001 6+54+39 AM, zoom2baba@yahoo.com writes:
<< It was to
involve Jerusalem, the Templars, the Assassins, the
Holy Grail, the Mossad, the Karotechia, and the
Palestinians. >>
I'm workin on something similar also. A good book on the Templars is, well,
"The Templars" by Piers Paul Read.
<< After reading The Coming Anarchy by
Richard Kaplan, I was gonna move the climax of the
action into Africa with a nod toward unstable tribal
countries like Somalia or Sierra Leone. >>
I gave the book to my roommate when he couldn't come up with a topic for an
essay for his African politics class. His professor blasted both the book and
the author, calling it -- a direct quote -- "drivel." He attributed this to
the fact that Kaplan was a mere journalist and was not qualified to make the
kinds of "broad" conclusions he did. I thought that, as a journalist (ideally
an impartial observer), he was pretty objective. But then again, professors
rule my world right now.
I dunno, for what it counts (and it doesn't), I thought the book was pretty
good...
By the way, ever thought of using the Kenya chapter of Masks of Nyarlathotep
as the basis for an African game? Or how 'bout the DG op in the Congo
(Operation KURTZ)?
--Mark
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 7:28 PM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: Re: Current Events in Campaigns (was Re: [DG] D20 CoC and Delta Green)
----- Original Message -----
From:
>
> << After reading The Coming Anarchy by
> Richard Kaplan,
>
> I gave the book to my roommate when he couldn't come up with a topic for
an
> essay for his African politics class. His professor blasted both the book
and
> the author, calling it -- a direct quote -- "drivel
Just for listmembers' info there are some extracts at
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/foreign/anarchy.htm
Why do you think this professor disliked the book? Is he a pinko who
doesn't like seeing Africa dissed? or what? I sense a backstory here.
The Glove Cleaner
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 7:31 PM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: [DG] Re: "The Coming Anarchy" - quote
Shoulda posed it with the last, sorry,
The Glove Cleaner
The cities of West Africa at night are some of the unsafest places in the
world. Streets are unlit; the police often lack gasoline for their vehicles;
armed burglars, carjackers, and muggers proliferate. "The government in
Sierra Leone has no writ after dark," says a foreign resident, shrugging.
When I was in the capital, Freetown, last September, eight men armed with
AK-47s broke into the house of an American man. They tied him up and stole
everything of value. Forget Miami: direct flights between the United States
and the Murtala Muhammed Airport, in neighboring Nigeria's largest city,
Lagos, have been suspended by order of the U.S. Secretary of Transportation
because of ineffective security at the terminal and its environs. A State
Department report cited the airport for "extortion by law-enforcement and
immigration officials." This is one of the few times that the U.S.
government has embargoed a foreign airport for reasons that are linked
purely to crime. In Abidjan, effectively the capital of the Cote d'Ivoire,
or Ivory Coast, restaurants have stick- and gun-wielding guards who walk you
the fifteen feet or so between your car and the entrance, giving you an
eerie taste of what American cities might be like in the future. An Italian
ambassador was killed by gunfire when robbers invaded an Abidjan restaurant.
The family of the Nigerian ambassador was tied up and robbed at gunpoint in
the ambassador's residence. After university students in the Ivory Coast
caught bandits who had been plaguing their dorms, they executed them by
hanging tires around their necks and setting the tires on fire. In one
instance Ivorian policemen stood by and watched the "necklacings," afraid to
intervene. Each time I went to the Abidjan bus terminal, groups of young men
with restless, scanning eyes surrounded my taxi, putting their hands all
over the windows, demanding "tips" for carrying my luggage even though I had
only a rucksack. In cities in six West African countries I saw similar young
men everywhere--hordes of them. They were like loose molecules in a very
unstable social fluid, a fluid that was clearly on the verge of igniting.
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:11 AM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: Re: [DG] Re: "The Coming Anarchy" - quote
At 01:31 AM 11/13/2001 +0000, Andy Robertson wrote:
>
>In Abidjan, effectively the capital of the Cote d'Ivoire,
>or Ivory Coast, restaurants have stick- and gun-wielding guards who walk you
>the fifteen feet or so between your car and the entrance, giving you an
>eerie taste of what American cities might be like in the future.
Now this part is "drivel". The crime rate in the United States has been
dropping steadily, to the lowest rates it has been since the FBI started
tracking crimes effectively in the 1960's. And the data before then is
flaky at best. We often talk about how safe and crimeless it was in the
'50s, but it might very well be that the current era is as crime-free as it
has ever been in the United States.
Is this because we have had a good economy and now the crime rate will
skyrocket under this new recession? Maybe. Could the rate jump when all
those criminals that were locked up under heavy sentences during the '90s
are now released because their sentences are up? Maybe. Will the welfare
reform of the past administration and the cuts in social spending from the
current administration criminalize the ever-growing underclass in American
society and the rate goes up again? Maybe.
But all "maybes" aside, the crime rate in the United States has never been
better, except of course on television sets. As part of a polisci paper on
this, I recorded twenty-four hours of TV and fast-forwarded through the
tapes marking down all the violent acts committed on-screen *outside* of
news reports and "reality" programming. If we had as much crime that is
televised nationally, America would be swimming in murders, rapes, and
robberies. Which is exactly what every voter believes, and why crime is
either the number one issue or the number two after the economy.
Left-wing media, my ass. Goebbels couldn't have done half the job
Hollywood has done electing hang-em-all conservatives, excusing police
brutality, feeding the prison industry, and demonizing the ACLU.
That said, West Africa is one seriously effed-up place. It ain't all the
white man's fault but isn't all "jungle savagery" either. Enough people
may have died in the Congo already to stain this era almost as bad as the
Holocaust did our grandfathers.
ObDG: Don't need the New World Order if there isn't a Scare
to be Ordered against. Paranoia is the midwife of tyranny. And tyranny
will keep the cattle in line till the feast begins.
Gil
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Berin Kinsman [deltagreen@unclebear.com]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:33 PM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: [DG] RE: Current Events
First, hello, I'm new, and I apologize if this ground has been covered in the past two months.
I've been thinking of Mythos explanations for the past two months, more as an intellectual exercise, because I think the wound is still to raw to actually go there. Touchy subject, matter of taste, and all that.
Anyway, the basics:
We know there are lost cities hidden under the sands. We also know that various factions of Afghanis use an ancient system of tunnels and caves as their base of operations. Who found what down there?
What if "al Qaeda" refers to that specific place?
We know that the Islamic fundementalists aren't practicing Islam as actually taught by the prophet Mohammed. The Koran advocates everyone, including women, getting an education. Mohammed worked for a woman (later his wife) and his daughter was a political leader. So we can assume that any Goddess cults are going to be opposed to this.
We know that the hijackers operating in America weren't exactly Islamic fundementalists. They were heavilty into booze and whores, and Mohammed Attar was reportedly a homosexual. They were cultists pretending to be Islamic fundies.
The WTC makes one hell of a sacrifice. Throw in all of the 11s, the mystical significance of twins, etc. Don't forget that "face of satan" pic in the smoke pouring from the burning building.
The Pentagon was the obvious target, the White House was never the target. Everyone knows the Pentagon was constructed as a giant containment circle to imprison... what? Break the circle, and unleash... who?
I think we all know.
Delta Green agents certainly would have their hands full. How many mundane terrorist plots have been foiled by the FBI, CIA and "normal" law enforcement; imagine the Mythos ploys being foiled daily, around the globe, by DG. And look at all the false leads -- hunting down terrorists who only want to release chemical or biological weapons with no actual mythos-based ulterior motive. Those are blind alleys for DG agents, a waste of time and resources, but, you never know ,one of those terrorist cells might actually BE a cultist cell.
Berin Kinsman
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nerva Vels [nerva.ramos@verizon.net]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:39 PM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: Re: [DG] Ah, fuck...
Far too easy to use this incident as a rallying cry for any of the major
'issues' bandied about today.
'twas nothing but poor maintenance on an already suspect vehicle (the
Airbus) that cost the lives of innocents.
I'm not afraid of terrorism. I'm not afraid of crime. I'm afraid of the
hapless carelessness and inattentiveness to detail, nay, the inability for
people to pride themselves in doing a good job, no matter what, that seems
to be pervasive. The person who goes through their workday without taking
pleasure in REALLY working frightens me; so much room for mishap and
mayhem....
I hate knowing so many people when something like this happens; yes, people
I know died.
Part and parcel of the damaging effects of the Endtimes: the world is
smaller, you know more people in it, the tragedies get closer... can make a
body paranoid, dagnabit.
nana nervy
disturbed
P.S. Just WHAT were those odds on the plane falling in that SMALL strip of
land???? Guess better than on the bridge not too far from there.....
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:42 PM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: Re: [DG] Explosive Food Parcels
On 10 November 2001, Glove Cleaner "Andy Robertson"
wrote:
>http://www.emperors-clothes.com/
>
>page down a bit, make your choice of the two yellow parcels
>
>I believe, I really do believe, that it's stupidity, not malice, but it's
>geting harder to keep the faih.
Stupidity, compounded by compartmentalization. You get some of this in
the government (or any big organization), partly due to security and turf
considerations, and partially due to the sheer size of the establishment and
the amount of information handled.
One official, in one department, decided that the food packages should
be yellow. (They had to be some color, and yellow shows up against natural
terrain and flora better than most other colors except possibly
International Orange... better than the dark OD the military uses on the
MREs they issue to the troops.)
Meanwhile, another official, in another department, decided to have the
cluster bomblets painted yellow, for whatever reason. (Possibly so that
unexploded ones could be identified and dealt with once friendly forces had
secured an area...)
The two officials, of course, did not communicate with one another -- it
was not in their job descriptions! (One was handling rations, another
munitions -- ordinarily, why would they exchange memos?)
I'm reluctant to attribute to deliberate malice something that can be so
easily explained by human foolishness...
And, by the way, someone finally pointed this problem out to the second
of these bureaucrats (or perhaps his supervisor), and, starting last week,
the food packages are now using _green_, while the bomblets remain yellow!
(Of course, there are still numerous rations in yellow packages that will
need to be repackaged, or distributed to places where no bombs fell... and
it won't do a thing for those already on the ground in country... But it's a
step in the right direction!)
The late SF author and editor John Campbell once said (shortly after the
Big NY Blackout) that mistakes fall into three categories:
Cat 1: The Pure Goof. As long as we're not omniscent, there are things
we are not going to know, until something brings them to our attention,
generally in an embarrassing way.
Cat 2: A Failure to Put It Together. This is when you have all of the
information to do it right, but -- for whatever reason, you don't put it
together in the proper manner.
Cat 3: SEP. You have the information. You have put it together, and you
realize the relationship between the various items of data. And you decide
it is Someone Else's Problem, and don't do anything about it.
In Campbell's opinion, Category 1 and 2 Mistakes warranted
investigation, so that a way could be found to avoid repeating them.
("Always a new mistake...") Category 3, however, not only warranted
investigation, but assignment of the blame to those responsible.
In my opinion, the matter of the food packages and the cluster
munitions was a Category 2 mistake.
Michael Layne
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Yossi Gurvitz [ygurvitz@netvision.net.il]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:22 PM
To: Delta Green
Subject: [DG] Pretty basic, but...
Something that has been bothering me lately:
When you call Yog-Sothoth, why does he come? Why does a deity deigns
to reply to a summoning? What do puny humans have to offer to a
cosmic being?
Yours,
Yossi
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:58 AM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: Re: [DG] Pretty basic, but...
At 10:22 PM 11/12/2001 +0200, Yossi Gurvitz wrote:
> When you call Yog-Sothoth, why does he come? Why does a deity deigns
>to reply to a summoning? What do puny humans have to offer to a
>cosmic being?
My understanding is that Yog-Sothoth is not a cosmic being, but the cosmos
itself. It is the universe revealing its face.
Gil
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Tim Betz [vag@arsimagica.net]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 11:34 PM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: Re: [DG] Pretty basic, but...
On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Gil Trevizo wrote:
> At 10:22 PM 11/12/2001 +0200, Yossi Gurvitz wrote:
> > When you call Yog-Sothoth, why does he come? Why does a deity deigns
> >to reply to a summoning? What do puny humans have to offer to a
> >cosmic being?
>
> My understanding is that Yog-Sothoth is not a cosmic being, but the cosmos
> itself. It is the universe revealing its face.
>
Maybe if we are cosmic bugs, then the summoning ritual is the equivilent
of a cosmic insect bite, or buzzing, and Soggy turning up, or Azathoth
renting holes in space to spew nuclear fire about the place is their way
of swatting at us.
If a fly is annoying you, you keep trying to hit it, 'til you get it or it
goes away right?
Or maybe, as my housemate's theory goes, the Earth is a Giant bowl of M&Ms
and we are the snack food in the giant cosmic party. Of course this
probably means that all the GOO are stoned. Except Cthulhu, who has been
locked in his room by his brother...
Then again, maybe, given as though they're all pretty much mindless
(except Narly) they might not have a very long memory, and so can't
remember that not much happened last time they showed up.
Which of course makes them cosmic goldfish.
Maybe they can't not come. You speak the magic words and wave the magic
widget and the fundamental, as yet not understood, laws of the universe
bring the deity to you. Explains why they wreck the joint every time they
show up.
Maybe they are alien and unknowable and therefore have reasons that are
alien and unknowable.
.
Or maybe they're just in it for the virgins...
-- Tim Betz
wondering who supplies the fish flakes...
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jussi Marttila [velcrokf@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 3:36 AM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: Re: [DG] Pretty basic, but...
>From: Yossi Gurvitz
> When you call Yog-Sothoth, why does he come? Why does a deity deigns
>to reply to a summoning? What do puny humans have to offer to a
>cosmic being?
>
> Yours,
> Yossi
>
I'd agree with Gil: when speaking about summoning an Outer God, it's not
really about entity A showing up from Dimension Z, but instead, the
summoning ritual makes Y-S visible for mortal eyes/makes Y-S take a visible
form , when normally he is in a form, which in fact is no form but a cosmic
principle. He is the principle known as space, room etc. So, Y-S appearing
is a bit like Allah, Yahwe or Elvis making an appearance in holy texts. They
can have a visible form though they are everything.
Jussi M
"Memes don't exist. Go tell your friends."
P.S. Sorry 'bout the Elvis part. Got carried away.
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Sylvain Clément [sylvain.clement@wanadoo.fr]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:34 AM
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From: "Yossi Gurvitz"
> When you call Yog-Sothoth, why does he come? Why does a deity deigns
> to reply to a summoning? What do puny humans have to offer to a
> cosmic being?
In my humble opinion, it is all, mainly, a question of mind-reality
interface. We puny mortals (including sorcerers) may have the means to
summon an extremely tiny fraction of such an all-encompassing cosmic power,
but hyper-geometry (or medieval metaphysics, or whichever name you choose)
is such an otherworldly thing to us that our brains have to shroud its
effects in a kind of animist veil. Yog-Sothoth, the very name or the
globular thingy, could be viewed as an icon, the kind of representation of
such a raw, real power that our mind can handle. We have to name the
unnamable if we are to use it despite our limited comprehension, by
circumventing a bit of the unknowability of such an impersonal and
fundamental power.
This way, our multi-layered mind can handle the "revelation interface"
called Umr-At-Tawil with minimal resources, in order to grasp as much as
possible of its relevant teaching/contents. With the disastrous effects we
know ...
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Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 5:32 AM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: Re: [DG] Hit Points and Guns in D20 CoC
> Enough blathering and on with the links:
>
>
http://www.sleepingimperium.rpghost.com/downloads/GrimNGrittyHitPointRules.p
df
>
>http://www.sleepingimperium.rpghost.com/downloads/firearms.pdf
>
Funnily enough, I too was going to post these links...
Until the real thing comes out and I can _fool_ my playesr into another DG
game, I'm
using the sleeping imperium rules, some of this:
http://www.geocities.com/rpcore/CoD/index.html
and my own additions..
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:07 AM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: [DG] Elvis eats boats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jussi Marttila"
> P.S. Sorry 'bout the Elvis part. Got carried away.
You can never be too carried away by the power of Elvis.
Or in the words of Mojo Nixon:
Elvis Is Everywhere
When I look out into your eyes out there,
When I look out into your faces,
You know what I see?
I see a little bit of Elvis
In each and every one of you out there.
Lemme tell ya...
Weeeeeeeeeellllllll...
Elvis is everywhere
Elvis is everything
Elvis is everybody
Elvis is still the king
Man o man
What I want you to see
Is that the big E's
Inside of you and me
Elvis is everywhere, man!
He's in everything.
He's in everybody...
Elvis is in your jeans.
He's in your cheesburgers
Elvis is in Nutty Buddies!
Elvis is in your mom!
He's in everybody.
He's in the young, the old,
the fat, the skinny,
the white, the black
the brown and the blue
people got Elvis in 'em too
Elvis is in everybody out there.
Everybody's got Elvis in them!
Everybody except one person that is...
Yeah, one person!
The evil opposite of Elvis.
The Anti-Elvis
Anti-Elvis got no Elvis in 'em,
lemme tell ya.
Michael J. Fox has no Elvis in him.
And Elvis is in Joan Rivers
but he's trying to get out, man!
He's trying to get out!
Listen up Joanie Baby!
Elvis is everywhere
Elvis is everything
Elvis is everybody
Elvis is still the king
Man o man
What I want you to see
Is that the big E's
Inside of you and me
Man, there's a lot of unexplained phenomenon
out there in the world.
Lot of things people say
What the heck's going on?
Let me tell ya!
Who built the pyramids?
ELVIS!
Who built Stonehenge?
ELVIS!
Yeah, man you see guys
walking down the street
pushing shopping carts
and you think they're talking to allah,
they're talking to themself.
Man, no they're talking to ELVIS!
ELVIS! ELVIS!
You know whats going on in that Bermuda Triangle?
Down in the Bermuda Traingle
Elvis eats boats.
Elvis needs boats.
Elvis Elvis Elvis
Elvis Elvis Elvis
Elvis needs boats.
Aahh! The Sailing Elvis!
Captain Elvis!
Commodore Elvis it is.
Yeah man, you know people from outer space,
people from outer space they come up to me.
They don't look like Doctor Spock.
They don't look like Klingons,
all that Star Trek jive.
They look like Elvis.
ELVIS!
Everybody in outer space looks like Elvis.
Cause Elvis is a perfect being.
We are all moving in perfect peace and harmony towards Elvisness
Soon all will become Elvis.
Everything everywhere will be Elvis.
Why do you think they call it evolution anyway?
It's really Elvislution!
Elvislution!
Elvis is everywhere
Elvis is everything
Elvis is everybody
Elvis is still the king
Man o man
What I want you to see
Is that the big E's
Inside of you and me
That's right ladies and gentlemen,
The time has come!
Time has come to talk
To that little bit of Elvis inside of you.
Talk to it!
Call it up!
Say "Elvis, heal me!"
"Save me, Elvis!"
"Make me be born again
in the perfect Elvis light"
That's right!
You've got that Elvis inside of ya
and he's talkin to ya
He says he wants you to sing!
Everybody's got to sing like the king!
Like the king
Get that leg going now
Get your lip too.
Not no fool Billy Idol lip either
Everybody!
Yeah, we're rockin now!
Elvis is with us.
He's with us and he's speaking to us.
He says "Peoples!"
"Peoples!"
"Everybody!"
"Everybody got to sing!"
Elvis is everywhere
Elvis is everything
Elvis is everybody
Elvis is still the king
Man o man
What I want you to see
Is that the big E's
Inside of you and me
Elvis is everywhere
Elvis is everything
Elvis is everybody
Elvis is still the king
Man o man
What I want you to see
Is that the big E's
Inside of you and me
Elvis!
Mark McFadden
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The King has left the building! The King has left the building!
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bomias1@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [DG] Re: "The Coming Anarchy" - quote
In a message dated 11/12/01 9:12:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
furrylogic@mindspring.com writes:
<< Paranoia is the midwife of tyranny. >>
Is that a quote or is that a furrylogic original. It's pretty damn good. I
think I'll have to use it.
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:12 AM
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Subject: [DG] Lawyer\client confidentiality
NY Times
"Legal experts differ sharply on the new Justice Department policy of
monitoring communications between people the government says have been
involved in terrorism and their lawyers."
Note all of the weasel phrases in that statement alone. "People the
government *says* have *been involved* in terrorism and their lawyers."
That might not seem like much, until you remember that people can lose
their property or business because a tenant or customer dealt drugs
unbeknownst to the (former) owner. Base on an anonymous tip that gets to
remain anonymous and cannot be confronted in court. If there was a trial,
but there wasn't. Credit cards, bank accounts, all assets can be frozen,
businesses can be padlocked then sold at auction without any trial because
no crime was committed by the person being punished. It's all administrative
stuff. The IRS, after all, is not a law enforcement agency. They answer to a
higher power. Nothing to see here, everyone go home.
And all of that was happening before 9/11. Now they've got "terrorism" as
the Bogey Man.
The harm that could be caused by a hypothetical terrorist communicating to
his cell through his lawyer is nothing, NOTHING, compared to the harm caused
by forgetting for the sake of convenience that everyone, EVERYONE, is
innocent until proven guilty. Not "should be treated as if" but *is*. This
is fundamental. Like "all men are created equal" it might not be literally
true, but we must treat it as truth or the whole structure collapses like a
house of cards.
"But the Justice Department measure also won support from some legal
experts and former prosecutors who said it was carefully designed to protect
the public while impinging as little as possible on the rights of people to
confer with their lawyers."
What is happening is that a type of crime is being singled out as so
heinous that it must be separated from common law. It's happened already
with the drug laws, with mandatory sentencing for dealing and asset
forfeiture for anyone peripherally involved. What happened is an arbitrary
amount became de facto evidence of *intent* to deal. Mandatory life sentence
for anyone unwise enough to try to get a volume discount on stuff for
personal use. BTW, we're not talking about bales or pallet loads here, we're
talking about quantities over an ounce in most cases. The only thing that
has to be proven is that it was in their possession, the amount is "proof"
of *intent* to deal.
Did he buy it from someone in the back of your bar? From someone in your
apartment building? Rental property? Kiss it all goodbye until YOU prove
that you are innocent.
"Irwin H. Schwartz, a Seattle lawyer and president of the National
Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, said the measure would most likely
be challenged in court.
"We call ourselves a nation of laws," Mr. Schwartz said, "and the test of a
nation of laws is whether it adheres to them in times of stress.""
Or as I like to say, "You are only as good as you are acting *right now*."
"Some critics said they were most troubled by the fact that the policy
permits officials to monitor communications without getting prior approval
from a judge."
When you consider that most Federal warrants can be obtained in one day
(it's a pathetic agency that doesn't have a roster of tame judges), there
doesn't seem to be much excuse for wanting to avoid a review by a presumably
cooler head. That is, if everything is kosher.
"George Rutherglen, a legal ethics specialist at the University of
Virginia, said the monitoring was unnecessary because "there are ways to get
this information now." Agents could get a court-approved wiretap, he said,
if they had probable cause to believe that a lawyer was involved in
furthering a crime."
See what I mean?
""It gives the government significant justification for conduct that in
other circumstances might not be totally in accordance with longstanding
practices," Mr. Obermaier said. "Sept. 11 changed a whole lot.""
So did the Reichstag fire.
Mark McFadden
ObDG: short of shooting people, everything your agents do will soon be part
of their day job.
Just remember, every cult is now a terrorist cell and every behavior is now
suspected terrorist activity.
Drop a dime on Club Apocalypse, the results should prove interesting. That
swarthy Alzis fella fits the profile. The sub-basements will make good
practice for Afghanistan.
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Subject: [DG] This cost me a few points of SAN
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 12:18 PM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: Re: [DG] Re: "The Coming Anarchy" - quote
The book is a very effective piece, very well written, but on rereading one
indeed becomes aware that it is a writerly work, a construction . . . I
was interested in whether it did indeed represent the conditions in west
Africa, or whether here was much exaggeration there.
More interesting, from a DG point of view, is the idea that our current
society is irreversably bound in that direction for some deepseated internal
reason.
I cannot agree with you **entirely** about present crime rates: I know they
have fallen enormously since the 1980's, but the relevant point is that the
US now has about one percent of its population behind bars, whearas in the
1950's the proportion was far lower.
Arguably there is an underlying trend towards more and more violence that
has only been hindered, perhaps temporarily, by some very expensive and very
in-your-face policing.
Arguably. I don't have a real-world axe to grind here, not because I don't
have opinions, but because I am not sure enough about them to be dogmatic.
However I will observe that the salient point about the societies involved
in "The Coming anarchy" is that they are very poor **and rapidly and
continuously getting poorer**.
I can well believe that if we faced a continuous 2% per annum drop in living
standards (as the West Africans have) things would get very hairy very fast
indeed.
The Glove Cleaner
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From: "Gil Trevizo"
> Now this part is "drivel". The crime rate in the United States has been
> dropping steadily, to the lowest rates it has been since the FBI started
> tracking crimes effectively in the 1960's. And the data before then is
> flaky at best. We often talk about how safe and crimeless it was in the
> '50s, but it might very well be that the current era is as crime-free as
it
> has ever been in the United States.
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nerva Vels [nerva.ramos@verizon.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:30 PM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: Re: [DG] This cost me a few points of SAN
more SAN loss.. this remind you of anything?
Fate Catches up with Money Whiz who missed 9/11
http://www.nydailynews.com/2001-11-13/News_and_Views/City_Beat/a-131937.asp
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of SGlancy12@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:43 PM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: Re: [DG] This cost me a few points of SAN
Limb swapping!
If that's not a photoshop/afterefffects wank job, then somebody better get
the fucking dynamite.
A. Scott Glancy, President TCCorp
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:52 AM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: Re: [DG] Re: "The Coming Anarchy" - quote
At 06:17 PM 11/13/2001 +0000, Andy Robertson wrote:
>I cannot agree with you **entirely** about present crime rates: I know they
>have fallen enormously since the 1980's, but the relevant point is that the
>US now has about one percent of its population behind bars, whearas in the
>1950's the proportion was far lower.
>
>Arguably there is an underlying trend towards more and more violence that
>has only been hindered, perhaps temporarily, by some very expensive and very
>in-your-face policing.
I do believe that the crime rate will worsen as the economy continues to go
south and those who were locked up in the '90s will be released when their
sentences are finished. It's also not gonna help if the new police-state
mentality in law enforcement overrides the very good changes towards
community policiing that were taken in the '90s, and/or if it blocks the
very painful but necessary reforms due to revelations of police
brutality. It's hard to weed out those in the NYPD that empty magazines
into unarmed suspects and shove towel handles into perp's rectums while
hailing the very real heroes in the same department - it can be done, I
just don't think our society has the complexity to do that.
What I see is an ever-widening of the gap between those in power and those
outside. Just the thing for creating a regime to keep the barbarians
outside the gates, or to foment the barbarians to storm the gates. The
Endtimes will probably result from a mix of both.
>Arguably. I don't have a real-world axe to grind here, not because I don't
>have opinions, but because I am not sure enough about them to be dogmatic.
Though I do believe the crime rate will worsen, I also have a great
aversion to the notion that crime is a problem now. When the rates are so
low, I don't understand how we can put crime within the top five issues,
much less as number one. Too many bad politicians of both stripes have
been elected on tough-on-crime platforms. It's government by paranoia.
>However I will observe that the salient point about the societies involved
>in "The Coming anarchy" is that they are very poor **and rapidly and
>continuously getting poorer**.
I feel this is much more an global affair than one on our home
streets. Through colonialism then neo-colonialism then counterinsurgency
then the IMF and global economy and NAFTA and so on - we in the First World
have ghettoized the Third World. It's only a hop-skip-and-a-jump between a
ghetto and a concentration camp. There will be resistance, but it doesn't
really matter if the violence comes from the rioters or the police - when a
"barbarian at the gates" mentality becomes law, life isn't worth much on
either side of the gates, and the Endtimes are nigh.
Gil
p.s. Whisperer, the quote was mine.
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Stevens Dustin [zoom2baba@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 3:15 PM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: Re: [DG] Re: "The Coming Anarchy" - quote
--- Andy Robertson wrote:
>
> The book is a very effective piece, very well
> written, but on rereading one
> indeed becomes aware that it is a writerly work, a
> construction . . . I
> was interested in whether it did indeed represent
> the conditions in west
> Africa, or whether here was much exaggeration there.
>
What caught my attention was the dramatic-ness of
third world chaos.
>From a roleplaying perspective being in a country that
is suffering a spectacular cultural implosion, like
Sierra Leone's night of the hand-chopping, could be an
unbelievably tense night of gaming. I was considering
running my Templar/Nazi/Palestine campaign with a
climax in a fictional African country, and suddenly
having the PCs being caught up in the middle.
Just the thought of the incident is horrifying enough,
can you imagine being there?
> I cannot agree with you **entirely** about present
> crime rates: I know they
> have fallen enormously since the 1980's, but the
> relevant point is that the
> US now has about one percent of its population
> behind bars, whearas in the
> 1950's the proportion was far lower.
>
I'm under the impression the rising prison population
can be attributed to our Drug War.
> Arguably there is an underlying trend towards more
> and more violence that
> has only been hindered, perhaps temporarily, by some
> very expensive and very
> in-your-face policing.
>
> Arguably. I don't have a real-world axe to grind
> here, not because I don't
> have opinions, but because I am not sure enough
> about them to be dogmatic.
>
> However I will observe that the salient point about
> the societies involved
> in "The Coming anarchy" is that they are very poor
> **and rapidly and
> continuously getting poorer**.
I walked away with a perception that it wasn't so much
poor-ness, but that certain third world nations were
culturally more likely to devolve into tribal chaos,
then others.
The haves and the have-nots are certainly an issue,
but in America, we have suitable distractions (media:
TV, music, roleplaying) to keep us pre-occupied so we
don't notice the erosion of our rights and power. My
current theory is that we won't even know we don't
have a democracy when its gone.
>
> I can well believe that if we faced a continuous 2%
> per annum drop in living
> standards (as the West Africans have) things would
> get very hairy very fast
> indeed.
>
Indeed it would. But I think the power-brokers know
this. They're moving at snail's pace, and keeping it
out of the headlines. We're a frog slowly being heated
in a saucepan.
Steve Dustin
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Graeme Price [graemep@immagene.mcg.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:01 PM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: Re: [DG] This cost me a few points of SAN
on 11/13/01 3:43 PM, SGlancy12@aol.com at SGlancy12@aol.com wrote:
> Limb swapping!
>
> If that's not a photoshop/afterefffects wank job, then somebody better get
> the fucking dynamite.
I'm of the mind that it's a hoax, albeit a very well thought out one. The
theoretical aspects of transplantation between identical twins is one nice
touch. It is _theoretically_ possible to do such radical surgery with little
in the way of immunological complications, but in practice I'm not convinced
that it would be as smooth as they state. As Adam mentions, creative
photoshop would be able to produce a reasonable mock up of such effects (a
lot more easily, cheaply and less permanently as well... especially
considering what proven involvement in this venture would do the
"practitioner's" medical license).
But the real giveaway, IMHO, is the small footnote at the bottom:
"This interview posted April 1, 1999".
Highly, suspect.
Graeme
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:22 PM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: Re: [DG] Re: "The Coming Anarchy" - quote
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stevens Dustin"
> From a roleplaying perspective being in a country that
> is suffering a spectacular cultural implosion, like
> Sierra Leone's night of the hand-chopping, could be an
> unbelievably tense night of gaming.
Yeah. But even more so if it was made believable that it was happening in
*this* country - your own country - not some foreign land. And that
things were going to stay that way.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gil Trevizo"
>
> What I see is an ever-widening of the gap between
those in power and those outside. Just the thing for
creating a regime to keep the barbarians outside the
gates, or to foment the barbarians to storm the gates. The
> Endtimes will probably result from a mix of both.
>
If we are talking real world here - I do believe that there is a good chance
that the world economy is in serious (not fatal) longterm trouble, because
the era of very cheap oil is over. So we might be facing that 2% a year
decline, at least until we make some major adjustments. And this will shake
things up.
While I don't anticipate anything like Sierra Leone in the short term, I do
think that things will get rougher (as indeed they already have, arguably).
The perhaps slightly cheerful thing about this is that people *can* react
extremely well to privation. In fact we have such an easy time of it
materially right now that there is a lot of slack that might be taken up.
A poorer nation might even be more compassionate, just and peaceful.
But that's in the Real World. Speaking Delta Green . . . One plausable
near future scenario is that resource and energy depletion could lead to
really severe economic and social problems, and a population "crash" where
the worldwide population drops several-fold in a few decades.
If you want a really OTT take on this you might check out
.dieoff.org - there is a lot of information there that can be "mined" -
but I hasten to add I don't credit the site, except as a source for ideas.
The Glove Cleaner
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:43 PM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: Re: [DG] This cost me a few points of SAN
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graeme Price"
> I'm of the mind that it's a hoax, albeit a very well thought out one. The
> theoretical aspects of transplantation between identical twins is one nice
> touch. It is _theoretically_ possible to do such radical surgery with
little
> in the way of immunological complications, but in practice I'm not
convinced
> that it would be as smooth as they state.
I could sort of conceive of a limb being attached without rejection between
identical twins, but I had trouble with the picture and some other thoughts.
How was the bone grafted to the rest of the skeleton? Even if arteries of
the limb could be grafted to to some near the pectoral or under the armpit
(which it didn't show) I have trouble believing sufficient bloodflow would
be available to keep the limb healthy. It would almost certainly atrophy
instead of being the buff specimen shown.
Without a connection to the host skeleton we're looking at several pounds
of flesh hanging from sutures and staples.He certainly wouldn't be able to
pose as shown.
Photoshop or way bitchin' SFX makeup.
> But the real giveaway, IMHO, is the small footnote at the bottom:
> "This interview posted April 1, 1999".
Doh! That pretty much clinches it.
Mark McFadden
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [michelina.ponsetto@tin.it]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:52 PM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: Re: [DG] Re: "The Coming Anarchy" - quote
Cheers.
The Glove Cleaner is slipping.
After all, "All I Ever Needed To Know I Learned from the Pulps"
>More interesting, from a DG point of view, is the idea that our current
>society is irreversably bound in that direction for some deepseated internal
>reason.
"Barbarism is the natural state of mankind. Civilization is unnatural. It
is a whim of circumstance. And barbarism must always ultimately
triumph. of man."
Robert E. Howard, Beyond the Black River, in Weird Tales, May/June 1935.
Be seeing you.
Davide Mana
Beyond the Po River
Torino, Italy
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Shane Ivey [shane@revolutionsf.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 5:18 PM
To: DGML
Subject: [DG] SF Workshop Lexicon
Bruce Sterling has sent us the latest version of his famous Workshop
Lexicon. Many of you will be old hats with this document, but it's great
fun for writers either way:
http://www.revolutionsf.com/index.html
Shane Ivey
Producer, RevolutionSF
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 5:24 AM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: [DG] Delta Green: Barbarians or Gatekeepers?
At 11:51 PM 11/13/2001 +0100, Davide Mana wrote:
>"Barbarism is the natural state of mankind. Civilization is unnatural. It
>is a whim of circumstance. And barbarism must always ultimately
>triumph. of man."
>Robert E. Howard, Beyond the Black River, in Weird Tales, May/June 1935.
Now where in all this does Delta Green fit? Obviously, MJ-12 are
gatekeepers, propping up and fostering an authoritarian New World Order
that will give them greater powers and opportunities to carry out their
exploitation of the Mythos. Does that make Delta Green the barbarians,
creating disorder from within the system as an illegal conspiracy,
sponsoring distrust and paranoia that (however justified) will still leave
us all divided against the final struggle of the Endtimes, revelling in the
bloodthirst of crusaders no matter how noble their intentions when the
killing began?
Until or unless OUR DARKEST HOUR fills in the blanks, modern Delta Green
seems borne of Reggie Fairfield and Joe Camp. Fairfield seems pretty much
a lock for the REH type - kill-em-all-let-Crom-sort-em-out, virtuous as a
Cowboy but slightly fascist nonetheless, and seeming to live more for the
blood of the struggle than whatever "good" it does. Camp is more like
Lovecraft in his Randolph Carter guise (and for his wide social network yet
outward appearance of complete loneliness). Camp/Carter is more pragmatic
than Fairfield/REH but pragmatism in the face of the Mythos is simply
prolonging the inevitable. Even after Camp's reforms, how many DG ops
begin with the pragmatism of Camp but end in the hollow violence of Fairfield?
MJ-12, the Karotechia, PISCES - all exist to serve the Mythos in some
way. Any such organization that attempts to deal with the Mythos and serve
it somehow never amounts to more than a joke (ie. GRU SV-8). DG has had
too much success against the Mythos to not wonder if it serves some secret
purpose as well. If MJ-12 hastens the Endtimes as gatekeepers fostering or
forcing up the evil within man, to what end do the barbarians of DG? Who's
running this cattle drive?
It can be no coincidence that Nyarlathotep was in Innsmouth when the Marine
Corps barbarians painted the town red and Delta Green was born.
Gil
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From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 5:34 PM
To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com
Subject: Re: [DG] Elvis eats boats
On 13 November 2001, His Saurian Majesty "The Lizard King"
said:
> > P.S. Sorry 'bout the Elvis part. Got carried away.
>
> You can never be too carried away by the power of Elvis.
Or, as E.L.V.I. Singer, Cardinal of the Church of Elvis (Orthodox
Reformed) said, recently, speaking to Darth Bin Laden and Grand Moff Omar in
a teleconference:
"The power to topple big buildings, or to blow up entire planets, is
nothing compared to the power of the Elvis!"
In Robert Asprin's "Pfule's Company" series of novels (quite good, though
I wish he would write the next book in the "Myth" series, so we could see
Skeeve encounter Harry Potter and Cthulhu), Captain Jester's "Omega Company"
is assigned a unit chaplain -- from the Church of Elvis! (His pin-on device,
worn on the uniform collar, was a gold guitar...)
And, on Babylon 5, there were the Three Elvises in the line at Customs!
An acquaintance of mine thought that the "King" in the title of
Tolkien's "Return of the King" was "obviously Elvis"... (He was a bit
disappointed to find out this was not actually the case!)
At Pennsic, the sheet-wall of one group's encampment proclaimed: "Elvis
Lives!"
A novel whose title I don't presently remember included a time-traveling
train, based in a future Nashville which had become a sort of Vatican for
the followers of Elvis!
> The King has left the building! The King has left the building!
And apparently even the Marine Corps Aviator flying the "liberated"
alien ship for the strike on the ID4 Mother Ship was of the Church of Elvis,
for he stated as he and his partner made their escape: "Elvis has left the
building!"
Michael Layne
DGGF#688
theherald@hotmail.com
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