From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Berin Kinsman [deltagreen@unclebear.com] Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 6:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Melvin Burkhart, Master Showman, Dead at 94 The world of Magic lost one of it's last living links to a vanishing heritage of American showbiz with the passing of Melvin Burkhart on November 8th, 2001 in Riverview, Florida. Mr. Burkhart, born February 14th, 1907 in Lexington, Kentucky, was known throughout the circus and outdoor amusement business as, "The Anatomical Wonder" and "The Human Blockhead." "He originated the Human Blockhead act, hammering a steel spike up his nose, in 1929. He was still working it up until a month before he died." http://www.magictimes.com/spotlight/2001/2001-11-16-spotlight.htm _____________________________________________________________ UNCLE BEAR: news, commentary and community for the escapist mind http://unclebear.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Kindred [kindred@wizard.com] Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 7:07 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Tomb found in downtown Cairo Agents, http://www.msnbc.com/news/659684.asp obDG: "We're blowing up your apartments cuz we are terrorists. Please ignore the 2,500 year old tomb beneath the apartments..." _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Farnell [daf@fukuoka-u.ac.jp] Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 7:38 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: Chemical Dreamlands From: "William Timmins" > The physical universe originated from an accretion of astral parasites that > effectively stacked together and declared reality. That is, each one willed > itself to be next to the others, and created a 'bubble' of reality. This is > somewhat similar to concept of 'devas' who create the universe continually. > The physical universe is influenced by a set of rules this 'strain' of > parasite developed, perhaps on purpose, perhaps not. It is rigidly locked > together by these rules. I really like this, but I find I find that it helps me to think of these astral critters as another "species." The parasites do their parasite thing, while these build. Astral corals, perhaps? > The dreamlands is merely another patch of astral parasites, with looser > construction and rules, with some loose interactions with the physical. And these could perhaps be yet another species. OTOH, by calling them species, I don't necessarily mean that they are differentiated in form like what we think of as species. It could merely be their behavior that differentiates them--and they could change that behavior as they need to. Hmm, how about this? There is really only one species of true astral creature. At various stages of life, it takes on different behaviors, starting out weak but highly dynamic (astral parasite), becoming more aggressive (astral predator), entering a more benign (to us) and chaotic reproductive phase (matrix of the Dreamlands), and finally settling down to a sessile, communal existence (astral coral, matrix of the physical universe). > All life, in addition, originates from astral parasites who have specialized > and developed under local conditions, which is, for humans, a riff on > gnostic trapped spirits. This leads into the whole 'awakened humans' and > fair folk, and a bunch of other stuff that your febrile minds can surely > invent. Careful, Mr. Timmins. Somebody's going to read this and base a religion on it! Very cool idea--and if adapted to the above ramblings, it could be part of the life-cycle. Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Greg Muir [gregmuir@adelphia.net] Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 10:38 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Flight 587 damage > > Having worked in the fighter world and listening to jet jocks, it is > possible that one jet fighter passing too close in the wake of another can > experience similar events (getting tossed about and flame out). I'm no > expert on fluid dynamics and sub-sonic or supersonic bodies, but it Yeah, planes of comprable size here. I've heard of jet pilots using their supersonic wakes to screw around with light planes violating restricted airspace. But that's a plane DIRECTLY buzzing another plane. We're talking an airbus passing along two minutes behind a 747. stands > become problematical on take off and landing), the wake of > another aircraft > is not necessarily a friendly environment (hot gases, reduced oxygen and > vortices). I can't imagine that this would in itself cause a > craft to break > apart. Other events after a loss of power is another matter. > That is the point at which I am at right now. I am not an expert in aeronautics so am not capable of holding a qualified opinion on the matter but I cannot conceive of how what they are describing could cause the results they saw. I could see a little big of bumpiness but not aircraft disintigration. What kind of G loads would it take for those engines to rip off? I know that nacelle engines like the airlines use are designed to rip off when it is a question of them going or the entire wing. This is ostensibly to give the pilot a chance at a semi-controlled crash with the wings remaining rather than an out and out crash. That being said, the engines are not designed to fall off under normal operating routines. Here's the scariest part. Had to write a paper on American for a class. This was written a few weeks before the crash. I don't know about you but I'm wigged in retrospect. I would consider staffing, systems, and strategy to be the most important areas for this company. I say this because those are the areas that most directly affect the company’s performance in the near future. If the staffing cuts were made poorly then American’s level of service will suffer. Domestic airlines are notorious for lackluster levels of service and American’s position with frequent flyers will only be worsened if the service deteriorates further. Also important is the quality of maintenance. If American did not scale the staff reductions to the reduction of flights (i.e., if they cut flights by 20% but maintenance by 30%) the mechanics will be overworked and the likelihood for mistakes will be increased. This will only serve to worsen overall airline performance and, if a subsequent crash occurs that can be blamed on shoddy maintenance, the impact on American would be devastating. American is already in a vulnerable position because of the 9-11 attacks. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 7:58 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Lizard People enslaved in Worcester Mass.!!!! On 18 November 2001, His Saurian Majesty "The Lizard King" reported his discovery of enslaved Lizard People in Worchester, MA: > It's good to see that the editorial policy is pro-reptile. > > See "Blame and responsibility lie with SPOC" at >http://140.232.1.5/~wheatbre/Pages/07/7.04.pdf So what is SPOC an abbreviation for? Special Purple Orbital Commandos? Society for the Preparation Of Croissants? Society for Psychic Observers on Campus? > > also, some history is available at >http://students.clarku.edu/~wheatbre/Pages/07/7.07.pdf in the article >"StudCo fails to free Lizard People despite student protest" Hmm... How far is Clark University from Miskatonic? > > 'Scuse me, I'm off to Worcester. We will overcome! Well, this will probably be covered as a routine training mission for CROC (the Combined Reptilian Operations Command). Don't worry -- those SPOC Lizard-slavers are probably in league with Osama! Enslaving Lizard People -- it's downright unpatriotic!:) Remember to pack lots of Rhodesian Jungle Rounds! Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 8:12 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Lizard People enslaved in Worcester Mass.!!!! On 18 November 2001, as he stocked up on Rhodesian Jungle Rounds for his expedition to Worchester, His Saurian Majesty "The Lizard King" gave us a further report on Clark University: > According to the Scarlet staff, Lizard People were imported by Jonas >Clark >himself. Robert Goddard may have used Lizard People children in his >rocketry >experiments. This is supported by a test pilot's remark, "And they say a _lizard_ is gonna make the first flight!" For too long, these intrepid Lizard People with The Right Stuff have gone unappreciated! Some Lizard Person bard will doubtless write a song commemorating these unsung heroes of the early Space Age! Bit of a tail behind each of those brave lizards! >The Physical Plant uses Lizard People in it's most dangerous >jobs. Possibly because only Lizard People are brave enough to volunteer for such hazardous duty! I'm sure there's a tail there, too... Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of TheGreatCthulhuz@aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 8:45 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Flight 587 damage Well, dispite the fact that is IS a bit distasteful, I had MJ-12 behind the whole thing. Why? Something (another protomatter test subject gone wild?) was loose in that area in queens and as soon as MJ-12 pinpointed it, a plane conviently falls down on the thing's head (Most likely orbit-based sonic weapon?). The thing was the most powerful subject to date, and it left enough evidence in the area it was currently in that a few NRO Section DELTA agents wouldn't have been able to clean it up. However, masking the carnage between the thing and a few civilians/police in the streets as the aftermath of a plane crash isn't a bad idea. From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Farnell [daf@fukuoka-u.ac.jp] Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 9:18 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] LOTR, Totalitarianism etc.... Velma, I mean Nerva Vels wrote > > Mark McFadden says: > > What if White Wolf got there first? > > WHAT DO YOU MEAN 'WHAT IF'??? You know, when _Werewolf: The Apocalipstick_ came out, one of my first thoughts on reading the cosmology was, "Hey, this would make a pretty nifty religion." Little did I realize that to some people, it would become one. > For a while here, or perhaps 'cause I'm so immersed in the subculture, WW > was the faith of the goth/etc crowd here. No kidding; I had people who > lived the game... I knew a few too. It was almost like that Knights of the Dinner Table storyline. My group played Vampire/Werewolf/Mage (combining all the connected games, except for Wraith, which came out when we were getting tired of it, and Changling, which came out long after we'd gotten sick of WW), but the people who were REALLY into it kind of spooked us out. And yet, it really looked like fun. > It's frightening when I run into someone still wearing the old vampire > t-shirts from the game's inception and all fanged and pierced..... Ah, c'mon, Nervy, we know you've still got those T-shirts stored away! I would love to see what kind of religious tract dear Mr. Chick would make after getting caught up in a Goth LARP. That would be a classic. > one of them, a woman, has the crop circles scarred between her breasts!!!! Ew. I am having a vision of the future...one day, she will wake up, look in the mirror, and say "What the hell was I thinking?!" > And yes, I've met those who took Lovecraft and his ilk FAR TOO SERIOUSLY; > and yes, I must agree with Glove Cleaner; often the smarter or more > intellectual you are, the easier you are taken in. Gee, how well that fits > into a lovecraftian mold... Most members of AUM Shinrikyo came from an educated, intellectual background, including all the most fanatical higher-ups. For many post WW2 Japanese people, there really is no spirituality--they may be nominally Buddhist/Shinto, but they know nothing of it and their religion is basically dead for them. I think there is a longing for a higher meaning, programmed into the species by evolution (or perhaps by Elder Things, in-game). I went quite suddenly from a nominal Christian to a hard-line atheist at age 13, then eventually "softened" into the agnostic I am today, but I recognize this longing and try to keep it satisfied, without actually believing in any purpose higher than what we can make for ourselves. I pay my respects to the Buddha of Mercy shrine on the shelf in our living room, and do the same for the local spirits when we visit a Shinto shrine, and on the occasion I find myself in a Christian church, I happily sing the songs of my youth and feel joy and sadness for the God Who Became Man. Though I still find it impossible to *believe*, there is still something deep within us that needs feeding, and it's dangerous to starve it. There was an earlier part of this thread that asked whether religious people would do better or worse in the EndTimes. I'd say worse, actually. At first they'd be better off, as religion (including worship of the Great Old Ones) gives hope and comfort. But as we've pointed out many times here, in a Lovecraftian universe, hope is just a chair that can be kicked out from under you, making your fall harder. When the enormity of the cosmic Tru7h dawns upon everyone's feeble little meat-brains, the religious may actually be worse off. OTOH, some people might scream a little louder than others, but extinct is extinct. Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Marcy [sarnath7@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 11:35 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] King in Yellow, plus extras Hi all, I have read almost all of the available Lovecraft and Derleth, but the "King in Yellow" is not readily obvious to me. It is tickling the back of my mind, but I cannot remember (if I ever knew) what it is. Could someone help me out here? What I can think of is something about a play causing insanity, or something. Andy "spook" Marcy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Tim Betz [vag@arsimagica.net] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:11 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] King in Yellow, plus extras On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Andy Marcy wrote: > Hi all, > I have read almost all of the available Lovecraft and Derleth, but the > "King in Yellow" is not readily obvious to me. It is tickling the back of > my mind, but I cannot remember (if I ever knew) what it is. Could someone > help me out here? What I can think of is something about a play causing > insanity, or something. > 5 seconds and a search engine: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5582/chambers.html -- Tim _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:32 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] King in Yellow, plus extras ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Marcy" > Hi all, > I have read almost all of the available Lovecraft and Derleth, but the > "King in Yellow" is not readily obvious to me. It is tickling the back of > my mind, but I cannot remember (if I ever knew) what it is. Could someone > help me out here? What I can think of is something about a play causing > insanity, or something. On one level, "The King in Yellow" is a collection of stories by Robert W. Chambers which you can find online at http://www.sff.net/people/DoyleMacdonald/l_kiy.htm and a few other places. On another level KiY is an avatar of HasturHasturHastur and a harbinger of the encroachment of a separate reality upon our own. On a third level, it's a big honkin' section of DG:Countdown which you owe it to yourself to get your hands on. For seeing how the themes can be used in a DG setting, check "Angel" at http://www.delta-green.com/opint/case_histories/ch_ADG.DF-0011.html There used to be another story by (IIRC) Shane Ivey, but I don't see it there any more. It had an agent named Sam Eddy? Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Mr. Zero [mrzero@twilite.org] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:34 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] SS and Vietnam? Anyone have any sites about the rumoured SS involvement in the French defense of vietnam? sean _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 2:46 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Flight 587 damage ----- Original Message ----- From: TheGreatCthulhuz@aol.com > Most likely orbit-based sonic weapon? No, that is not all that likely :-) The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 2:49 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] King in Yellow, plus extras ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Marcy" > Hi all, > I have read almost all of the available Lovecraft and Derleth, but the > "King in Yellow" is not readily obvious to me. It is tickling the back of > my mind, but I cannot remember (if I ever knew) what it is. You poor sod. One more . . . The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 3:10 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] King in Yellow, plus extras From: "The Lizard King" > There used to be another story by (IIRC) Shane Ivey, but I don't see it > there any more. It had an agent named Sam Eddy? Luckily, someone on the Revolution SF Book Forum asked me to post some RW Chambers links a few weeks back, so with a quick copy&paste, here's a ton of King-in-Yellow stuff available online: *Perhaps the best story, "The Repairer of Reputations": www.sff.net/people/doylemacdonald/kiy_rr.htm *A collection of Chambers' other stories online (scroll down to the bottom): www.sff.net/people/doylemacdonald/l_kiy.htm *A great collection of "Literature of the Fantastic," including Chambers: www.sff.net/people/doylemacdonald/lit.htp *Background and bio info on Chambers: www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5582/chambers.html#bibliography *Some truly disturbing stories inspired by Chambers, by John Tynes and Shane Ivey: www.fortunecity.com/victorian/lion/157/ambrose.htm www.fortunecity.com/victorian/lion/157/broad1.htm www.delta-green.com/opint/case_histories/ch_ADG.SI-0023.html www.delta-green.com/opint/case_histories/ch_ADG.SI-0024.html www.delta-green.com/opint/case_histories/ch_ADG.SI-0025.html *And some lame fan-fic inspired by Chambers: www.delta-green.com/opint/case_histories/ch_ADG.DF-0011.html (or go here for a snazzy PDF version) www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/leiber/50/dgpdf.htm Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jussi Marttila [velcrokf@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 4:21 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Re: LOTR >From: "David Rodemaker" >Tolkien was a Christian mystic and Hubbard studied with Mr. Crowley, not >too >much of a comparison But it certainly does a great deal for >making >the whole Church of Scientology *more* of a Mythos front... I always thought that having the Church of Scientology as a Mythos front rather dull. Why not make it a DG front? After all, Elron was a member of the intelligence community at some time, and he was no fool, when it came to ripping off money from people. Might he have set up the CS to draw people *away* from Mythos cults, by providing a fake one as a high-profile alternative? Also, I find the idea that Travolta unknowingly funds DG ops very alluring. Jussi M Memes don't exist. Go tell your friends. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jussi Marttila [velcrokf@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 4:40 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] LOTR, Totalitarianism etc.... >From: "Greg Muir" >> > Anton Lavey said pretty much what Greg said above. In the > > "Satanic Rituals", > > which I have in my bookshelf, he included two rituals which were based >on > > the Mythos, but he never claimed that Azzie, Toe-tap and Shubby > > to be real. > >Whoa, I'm quoting LaVey? Eerie. BTW what was that name he gave his kid? It >was something like 80 characters long. As far as I remember it, it was Xerxes Satan Carnacki LaVey. I might have gotten the order wrong. ObDG: The Church of Satan: ally/enemy in the battle against the Mythos? Jussi M Memes don't exist. Go tell your friends. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 6:19 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Re: LOTR >I always thought that having the Church of Scientology as a Mythos front >rather dull. Why not make it a DG front? I kind of like the idea that they're just messed-up and weird all by themselves. Now, AmWay, on the other hand... >Also, I find the idea that Travolta unknowingly funds DG ops very alluring. Saturday Night Holocaust! J. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Rodemaker [dar@horusinc.com] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 6:38 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Re: LOTR > >Tolkien was a Christian mystic and Hubbard studied with Mr. Crowley, not > >too > >much of a comparison But it certainly does a great deal for > >making > >the whole Church of Scientology *more* of a Mythos front... > > I always thought that having the Church of Scientology as a Mythos front > rather dull. Why not make it a DG front? After all, Elron was a member of > the intelligence community at some time, and he was no fool, when > it came to > ripping off money from people. Might he have set up the CS to draw people > *away* from Mythos cults, by providing a fake one as a high-profile > alternative? Possible... Hmmm... I just see DG as not having the wherewithall to maintain something like that. I could really go for DG using it as a stalking goat though... Perhaps it was the original intent and then with the screw-ups of the 60's the organization took a life of it's own and then became corrupt?? And now the whole darn thing is so obnoxiously powerful that DG really isn't sure if they can just do the standard N/O. (Or as we used to say in an old Chill game 'Shoot 'em in the head and blow them up with gasoline') I must admit that I haven't read anything at on the ideology of the CS, just a couple of *very* scattered datapoints gathered from various points. The Crowley/Hubbard tie has always amused me... David _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 6:42 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] SS and Vietnam? --- "Mr. Zero" schrieb: > Anyone have any sites about the rumoured SS > involvement in the French > defense of vietnam? sorry. no useful sites, no trustworthy books to recommend. the french foreign legion had a lot of combat-proven german enlisting after wwii and french authorities didn´t always bother checking where this experience was exactly gained. so most probably former ss members including officer ranks trained in last stands and lost causes will have been present. links to south america and other nazi hiding places get highly speculative. connections to the german counterintelligence network continuing their anti-communist even after 1945 are more probable, if unproven as far as i know, but as french, german and us intelligence were friendlies anyway, what´s the deal? festus __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Ihre E-Mail noch individueller? - http://domains.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of William Timmins [wtimmins@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 6:46 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] King in Yellow, plus extras >From: "Andy Marcy" >Hi all, > I have read almost all of the available Lovecraft and Derleth, but the >"King in Yellow" is not readily obvious to me. It is tickling the back of >my mind, but I cannot remember (if I ever knew) what it is. Could someone >help me out here? What I can think of is something about a play causing >insanity, or something. > > > >Andy "spook" Marcy I'm sure a number of people will respond, but what the heck... King in Yellow is a play that indeed causes insanity/'revelation' It is mentioned in some Lovecraft, but it was actually invented by Robert Chambers, who wrote a book, a series of stories, called 'The King in Yellow' in the 1890s. In it is, among other things, a 'future history' of the world of the 1920s (which is fascinating to read), and a bunch of lives touched by The King in Yellow play, and the land it is associated with. I got it at Amazon a while back, I'm sure you could, too. ;) It isn't super literature, but it's intriguing. And I love using it as a prop for players. -=Will _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Sylvain Clément [sylvain.clement@wanadoo.fr] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 7:14 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] SS and Vietnam? From: "Dirk R. Festus Festerling" > --- "Mr. Zero" schrieb: > Anyone > have any sites about the rumoured SS > > involvement in the French > > defense of vietnam? > > sorry. no useful sites, no trustworthy books to > recommend. > the french foreign legion had a lot of combat-proven > german enlisting after wwii and french authorities > didn´t always bother checking where this experience > was exactly gained. > so most probably former ss members including officer > ranks trained in last stands and lost causes will have > been present. > links to south america and other nazi hiding places > get highly speculative. connections to the german > counterintelligence network continuing their > anti-communist even after 1945 are more probable, if > unproven as far as i know, but as french, german and > us intelligence were friendlies anyway, what´s the > deal? German veterans were indeed quite common in the Legion after WWII. In Algeria, some units spoke exclusively German when on the field, and were noted for their efficiency and eagerness. As it is now the case for the Ariane launching installations in Kourou, sensitive places like the nuclear test range at Reggane were guarded by the FFL. SC. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 7:25 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] SS and Vietnam? --- Sylvain_Clément schrieb: > As it is now the case for the Ariane launching > installations in Kourou, > sensitive places like the nuclear test range at > Reggane were guarded by the > FFL. but don´t try to get any karotechia involvement in the esa out of it. the latest recruitment drives collected expecially many experienced former warsaw pact soldiers. perhaps our russian friends planted some sleepers to become career nco and french citizens. festus __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Ihre E-Mail noch individueller? - http://domains.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Charles Green [rijel12@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 8:29 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] LOTR, Totalitarianism etc.... I think tat this point I should mention that most modern Neo-Paganism is based on the classic four elements (air, water, and so one.) Given Derleth's Elemental associations for the Mythos, it isan't all that hard to imagine. If I recall, Cthulhu is listed as a "water god" who "embodies nature's destructive principle." Not something I'd have anything to do with, but to each his own, right? Charley > I've read people who have written seriously of > having success in their > invocations regarding Cthulhu and other Lovecraftian > entities. I cannot > understand it unless they are approaching this > completely from the > perspective of "human minds need human creations to > understand the forces > they are dealing with. Just as one may name the > large stones used as > landmarks when navigating the forest, we must devise > human names and > attributes for the powers we manipulate to better > control them." Even at > that, it's pretty fucked up. > > "Ia, Ia, Darth Vader! I have cursed your liver!" > Waker. > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Charles Green [rijel12@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 10:07 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] LOTR, religion etc The thing about Fight Club is that nearly every value it represents it decontructed somewhere in the film. Despise America's corporate structure? Get away from it. But at one point, the Narrator mentions (right after he kicks his own rear in his bosses office) "Now that we have corparate sponsorship..." Which illustrates the self-decontructing nature of the film. Charley > [spooers ahead!] > I thought an interesting point in the movie was the > behavior of the space > monkeys. The whole point Tyler and his hallucinating > buddy were making is > that people were slaves of their society. They had > to rebel against the > social controls in order to gain control over their > own lives. They felt a > taste of that freedom in the fight club, a sense > that they were alive and > capable of controlling their own destiny. > > So then what do they do? They doft their working > togs or business suits, > shave their heads, and beg to become a part of > Project Mayhem. They trade > TPS reports for homework assignments and eagerly > follow Tyler's every whim > without question. They're like the Israelites who > made a golden calf > immediately after getting out of Egypt courtesy of > the Lord God Allmighty. I > can just imagine God coming down from that mountain > and rapping Israel on > the collective noggin. "Hello, McFly!" > > The basic point is that people are social creatures. > People need the warmth > of the tribe to feel whole. And part of accepting > the tribe is accepting the > leadership of the leader. People don't want to > think, they want to obey. > People will throw off the collars of their old > masters only to eagerly craft > new collars to be used by new masters, and place > such collars around their > own necks. > > Thoughts? > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David.Clements [David.Clements@astro.cf.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 10:26 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] DG: Neutrino Observatory Destroyed: Why? The SuperKamiokande neutrino observatory has been severely damaged in a freak accident: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1664000/1664447.stm Does somethign not want it to detect something, or did it see something just too powerful? What mythos creatures would affect neutrinos anyway? Perhaps a Hound walked by a bit too close? Or maybe a covert Kerotokage operation? Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Berin Kinsman [deltagreen@unclebear.com] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:40 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Children's Lit --- Davide Mana wrote: >So witchcraft's a religion and the Potter movie's a film about a kid >following his religious call. >Would such a self-righteous minority put its step down the same in the case >of, let's say, "Little Buddha", "Brother Sun, Sister Moon" (about St. >Francis of Assisi) or one of those old colossals, like "Quo Vadis" or "The >Tunic"? It depends on the faction in question. The Xians would march on "Little Buddha" because it's non-Christian. The ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) would march on the others because they ARE Xian. All based on the same "church and state" rhetoric. Each faction uses the same laws to tear down other faiths that aren't their own. Sidebar one: a decade ago I went to see Scorcese's "Last Temptation of Christ" in the theatres. There were scores of Apocalyptic Xians picketing the place. I asked one of them if they'd seen the movie -- no! They would not watch such filth. How did they know it was filth, I asked them, if they hadn't seen it. Our leaders told us so! Ah, then your leaders saw it, then? No! They would not watch such filth. Then, um, how do THEY know it's filth? Um, er... they PRAYED on it! Ah, so, the voices in someone's head said it was bad, and you took their word on that and blindly followed? Yup, sure, okay. >Scared of people scared of books On a side note, I was once thrown out of a laudromat because I was reading "Call of Cthulhu" 3rd edition. The owner was Xian and said she "didn't allow Satanic material of any kind" in her establishment. I'm not sure whether it was because it was Mythos or a roleplaying game. Offered me a Bible to read instead. When I politely declined and stated that I have several Bibles at home, was in fact an Xian myself, and was just reading some fiction while my clothes were drying, I was asked to leave. Said she'd call the cops and say I was creating a disruption. Apparently reading books is worse than telling lies. -berin http://unclebear.com/deltagreen _____________________________________________________________ UNCLE BEAR: news, commentary and community for the escapist mind http://unclebear.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andrew John Farrow [andrew.j.farrow@btinternet.com] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:43 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] SS and Vietnam? Mr. Zero > Anyone have any sites about the rumoured SS involvement in the French > defense of vietnam? I would recommend the ` DEVILS GUARD` - series of books by George Robert elford , chronicling the < true > story of hans josef wagemueller IMHO , despite claims to the contrary they are total fiction , but they have a lot of mileage for gaming purposes yours - AJ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Berin Kinsman [deltagreen@unclebear.com] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:46 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Children's Lit --- "The Lizard King" wrote: > So let's not talk about Christians as a whole and talk about the Christian >Coalition. My personal shorthand, I use "Xians" for the apocalyptic, cultish, lobbyist, extremist (in either direction) types, and the full word "Christians" for the sincere, earnest, compassionate, Jimmy Cater types. -berin Who is actually the Reverend Kinsman, D.D., Th.D (ret.) and knows the difference between the well-intentioned but misguided and those who use religion as a political platform _____________________________________________________________ UNCLE BEAR: news, commentary and community for the escapist mind http://unclebear.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Berin Kinsman [deltagreen@unclebear.com] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 1:04 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Re: Religion & brains --- "Greg Muir" wrote: >So where do you see yourself now? How does your previous self seem to >you now that the true belief has passed, or at least waned? I actually became a clergyman because it's what my family expected of me. Didn't have a lot of faith, just went through the motions. I left the church when I found the leader of the youth group, a man in his 30s with a wife and two babies at home, was carrying on with some of our teenage girls. The church council encouraged me to cover it up, because the man was fairly prominent in the community and made substantial financial contributions to the church. THAT's when I found what I consider to be faith. I dropped a dime and walked out. The Mythos exists outside the Mythos, for those of you who haven't yet figured that out. Horror and corruption are everywhere. To answer the question, though, I'm returning to faith as I get older, not because I'm a-feared of dying and want the reassurance of an afterlife (I'm not sure there is one), but because, well, some things just make more sense to me know that I have the context of life experience. Am I a blind follower? No, I reject 90% of dogma. But I think there's something there that's been muddled up over the centuries by human misunderstanding and bad translation. Odd that more Xian texts don't cause SAN loss. Anyway, what' attracted me to DG is that, in a Mythos world, it's the Right Thing To Do. -berin _____________________________________________________________ UNCLE BEAR: news, commentary and community for the escapist mind http://unclebear.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Berin Kinsman [deltagreen@unclebear.com] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 1:14 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: Chemical Dreamlands --- "Andy Robertson" wrote: >I always thought that each person had their own Dreamland. The one >Lovecraft wrote about was simply his own personal one. I envisioned the Dreamlands like the Internet; we're all individual servers with our own content, but interconnected, and file sharing and communication can occur. -berin _____________________________________________________________ UNCLE BEAR: news, commentary and community for the escapist mind http://unclebear.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 1:14 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Children's Lit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Berin Kinsman" > My personal shorthand, I use "Xians" for the apocalyptic, cultish, lobbyist, > extremist (in either direction) types, and the full word "Christians" for the > sincere, earnest, compassionate, Jimmy Carter types. Reminds me slighly of the C.S Lewis thing about "Exmas and Christmas" http://www-personal.umich.edu/~dunlapg/Xmas_and_Christmas.html > Odd that more Xian texts don't cause SAN loss. Nothing odd about it if they are a result of human illusions projected onto the Universe. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Berin Kinsman [deltagreen@unclebear.com] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 1:22 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] "I was a teenage demiurge" (was LOTR, Totalitarianism etc.... --- "Michael Layne" wrote: > Also, perhaps, one of the reasons that Project BLUE BOOK would quickly >explain UFO sightings as "the planet Venus" or "a military aircraft with its >lights on" or the like. Supply a reasonable-sounding explanation for the >sighting, and perhaps many of the witnesses will find themselves thinking >about what they saw, and remembering it as something relatively mundane! Now wait... something is real... convince enough people it ISN'T... and through the power of belief, it ceases to exist? So... using this logic... if we built realistic sets and props and broadcast to the world that men landed on the moon... then a few years later we REALLY set men on the moon, and they'd find the footprints and plaques and flags from the earlier (unreal) mission... That explains SO much. -berin _____________________________________________________________ UNCLE BEAR: news, commentary and community for the escapist mind http://unclebear.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 1:26 PM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Flight 587 damage For game purposes, I thought it might be interesting if this were caused by ingenious sabotage... such as the introduction of a chemical to degrade the composite materials. When I was on carriers, friends worked in the composite materials shop. Interesting stuff, but tricky. Every now and then the New Guy would mix something wrong... we knew when it happened from the thick smoke. Cleanup of most of these messes (which left piles of hardened resin-like substance) was done with 'gas path turbine engine cleaner'... just dissolved the goop into a grayish/green puddle, which was then mopped up. Funny, the cleaner was eventually removed from service, since it's very corrosive to humans as well (although not as bad as most of the things we kept). -----Original Message----- From: Jim Clunie [mailto:jim_clunie@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 3:51 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Flight 587 damage There seems to be some question, to say the least, about how it came to fall apart in mid-air. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/