From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Kevin Empey [Kevin@Empey.com] Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 6:18 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] SAN in the age of irony I agree but it almost becomes a case by case basis depending on a characters background A character with a very rational outlook is likely to go lateral the first time "Mythos" shows up. A person with a superstitious mind is more likely to roll with the punch. Overall maybe a lessened effect due to TV pumping more horror into the average MTV zombie. Kevin P.S. since this is one of my first posts to the list I guess I should say hi too. -----Original Message----- From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com [mailto:owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com]On Behalf Of Shane Mclean Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 3:17 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] SAN in the age of irony > So does the "real life" horror make Mythos horror easier to take? Or (and this is what I believe, to some degree) should starting SAN > be lower *because* we've already been exposed to so much more? Have most of us already lost a fair chunk of SAN coming into the > game (literally and figuratively)? I'm just looking at the number of people I know in therapy for one reason or another. For some of > them, exposure to the Mythos might throw them right over the edge. For others, I think they'd shrug and mumble something like > "yeah, that F@#$%figures" as they were eaten alive. Actually, I'd say that the san loss for everyday horrific stuff owuld be lower due to desensitisation, etc, and the san loss for Mythos/wierd stuff would be higher, due to the fact we are a less superstitious and more scientifically rational people in the modern world. Take care, Shane _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 7:02 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG:OT Latin help needed --- ElLocoToro@aol.com schrieb: > > In a message dated 11/21/01 5:42:24 PM, > graemep@immagene.mcg.edu writes: > > << Vita brevis gloria aeterna >> > > short life, eternal glory > > [I think] > > --Mark actually: Life (is) sort, glory (is) eternal. sometimes the verb (expecially forms of to be) is included in the endings. but donīt worry: most users of latin, expecially in the middle ages, didnīt know even less latin than we learn in high school. festus __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Ihre E-Mail noch individueller? - http://domains.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Graeme Price [graemep@immagene.mcg.edu] Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 10:33 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG:OT Latin help needed on 11/21/01 5:41 PM, I wrote: > Not DG related, but I'm stumped. Can anyone translate the following phrase > from latin into english: > > Vita brevis gloria aeterna Thanks to all who replied (everyone actually agreed!). I now have the answer, so in the sake of bandwidth the subject is now closed. One day I'll have to let everyone know why I needed the translation... but that's another saga! Thanks again, Graeme -- graemep@immag.mcg.edu _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 3:19 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG:OT Latin help needed When I was at University, we were taught Greek **by the medium of** Latin. I mean, they taught us Latin **first**, then made us learn Greek, in a classroom where you were only allowed to ask questions in Latin and all the instructions and lessons were in Latin. --- *** --- Or am I remembering a previous incarnation, in the middle ages? --- *** --- Ooh, that Quantum Chromodynamics fucks with your mind. Renormalisation. Ugh. --- *** --- Never mind. --- *** --- Either way, I am shocked. Shocked. 'Romanes Eunt Domus' and all that. The Glove Cleaner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graeme Price" To: Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [DG] DG:OT Latin help needed > on 11/21/01 5:41 PM, I wrote: > > > Not DG related, but I'm stumped. Can anyone translate the following phrase > > from latin into english: > > > > Vita brevis gloria aeterna > > Thanks to all who replied (everyone actually agreed!). I now have the > answer, so in the sake of bandwidth the subject is now closed. One day I'll > have to let everyone know why I needed the translation... but that's another > saga! > > Thanks again, > > Graeme > -- > graemep@immag.mcg.edu > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > > > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 9:56 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] OOPS (re CBF 2 Pt III) Jussi said: >>From: "ialdaloboth *genzundheit!*" I have just realized that I accidently >>split "Lance" Morton into Lance and >>Morton. >Actually, I think that error is my responsibility. I just reread what I had >written and thought "oops, should have made that clearer". Ah well : ) These things happen! Thanks for the zen beer. And happy thanksgiving to my fellow yankee imperialists. J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 10:05 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG:OT Latin help needed >When I was at University, we were taught Greek **by the medium of** Latin. > >I mean, they taught us Latin **first**, then made us learn Greek, in a >classroom where you were only allowed to ask questions in Latin and all the >instructions and lessons were in Latin. Shit. I WISH I could have learned a language like that. I might have remembered it. But hey, does anyone know what the Latin would be for "The hedgehog cannot be buggered at all?" I figure it'd make a great gag 'motto' to put on something semi-official, just to make sure the gamers are paying attention ; ) It's not DG, so feel free to ding me in private. J. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Rodemaker [dar@horusinc.com] Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 10:12 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] OOPS (re CBF 2 Pt III) > And happy thanksgiving to my fellow yankee imperialists. Hey! Don't forget lackey! I worked hard for lackey! Or 'running dog', sheesh! Nobody gets that right any more It's 'Yellow running dog imperialistic lackey's'... If you work *very* hard you *might* progress to 'toady' and from there a very rare few make it to actual 'henchman' David Happy Thanksgiving to everyone (Yankee-types and others who don't mind well-wishes) else also... _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Berin Kinsman [deltagreen@unclebear.com] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 8:38 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Recent Intelligence The Crash of American Airlines Flight 587 in Queens Hard Scientific Evidence Proves United States Government Desperately Trying to Mislead the American Public http://software.design.tripod.com/mirror/tailfin/tailfin.htm FBI Develops Eavesdropping Tools What I find interesting is the code name of the software under development - "Magic Lantern" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1436-2001Nov22.html -berin ******** http://unclebear.com/deltagreen "According to Gallup polls, only 10% of Americans say they hold a secular view of the world, while 44% believe in strict biblical creationism. Four million also believe they have been abducted by Aliens. The Economist urges [presidential] candidates to address the vital question this finding raises. Should schools teach survival courses for those threatened with alien abduction?" -- From the Economist, regarding the teaching of evolution in schools _____________________________________________________________ UNCLE BEAR: news, commentary and community for the escapist mind http://unclebear.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of L. Abdul Baan [lordabdul@vachefolle.com] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 8:47 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE : [DG] Law Enforcement Source By the way, does anybody knows where to find some official report templates/samples, like a standard police report, autopsy report and other stuff like that ? I'd like to create very realistic handouts for my players... I've found some examples of such documents in the archives of www.thesmokinggun.com, but the pictures are not detailed enough to re-create completely the documents. I also found some programs like ALEIR and Police Report Writer that are supposed to be used by some law enforcement companies, but I'm not convinced by the report format/layout they produce. Can anyone help ? How do you create police report handouts anyway ? Oh, and another question too : does anyone tried to convert the Rules of Engagement novel into a DG scenario ? L. Abdul Baan. > > A virtual library full of dry-facts and PDF's with which to improve the > realism of your PC's investigations: > http://virlib.ncjrs.org/LawEnforcement.asp > > For example: > > Guide for Explosion and Bomb Sccene investigations > http://www.ncjrs.org/pdffiles1/nij/181869.pdf > > Cheers, > Phil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of L. Abdul Baan [lordabdul@vachefolle.com] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 8:47 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE : [DG] Law Enforcement Source By the way, does anybody knows where to find some official report templates/samples, like a standard police report, autopsy report and other stuff like that ? I'd like to create very realistic handouts for my players... I've found some examples of such documents in the archives of www.thesmokinggun.com, but the pictures are not detailed enough to re-create completely the documents. I also found some programs like ALEIR and Police Report Writer that are supposed to be used by some law enforcement companies, but I'm not convinced by the report format/layout they produce. Can anyone help ? How do you create police report handouts anyway ? Oh, and another question too : does anyone tried to convert the Rules of Engagement novel into a DG scenario ? L. Abdul Baan. > > A virtual library full of dry-facts and PDF's with which to improve the > realism of your PC's investigations: > http://virlib.ncjrs.org/LawEnforcement.asp > > For example: > > Guide for Explosion and Bomb Sccene investigations > http://www.ncjrs.org/pdffiles1/nij/181869.pdf > > Cheers, > Phil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of trueprophet@talk21.com Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 2:59 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com; deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: RE: [DG] OOPS (re CBF 2 Pt III) Arr my friend, you missed out a couple of steps there on the Heirarchy of Evil(tm) The full list, from lowest of the low to the high grade scum, goes: Lacky Flunky(these first two are sometimes switched) Toady Minion Henchmen Sidekick Also, there are 5 Grades of each. A 5th grade lacky can barely patrol in the area the hero is infiltrating, while a 2nd grade flunky can actually ineffectually fire a weapon, and by the time you get into Toady level, they can do that thing where they appear as if by magic at the merest bellow from their evil overlord. However, only 1st grade henchmen or better have a chance of actually surviving firefights and having a proper name and personality. ObDG:- Damn, ya got me. Still, didn't see much DG in the post I'm replying to. Voidchaser. 'Si hoc legere scis nimium erudtionus habes.' > > And happy thanksgiving to my fellow yankee imperialists. > >Hey! > >Don't forget lackey! I worked hard for lackey! > >Or 'running dog', sheesh! Nobody gets that right any more > >It's 'Yellow running dog imperialistic lackey's'... > > >If you work *very* hard you *might* progress to 'toady' and from there a >very rare few make it to actual 'henchman' > >David > >Happy Thanksgiving to everyone (Yankee-types and others who don't mind >well-wishes) else also... > >_______________________________________ >The Delta Green Mailing List >http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 8:00 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Final Fantasy I got a bunch of videos for the holiday, so I finally got around to seeing 'Final Fantasy.' I wish I had seen it on the big screen. Yeah, the story was sort of uninspired, but it didn't assault your intelligence like 'Armageddon.' The pleasure of the film was mostly visual. It had great graphics, and they weren't all devoted to bigger and better explosions. If anyone is contemplating an Endtimes scenario, check it out. Drop the Gaia storyline and think of Tillinghast Resonators and the beasties that swarm around them. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of TheGreatCthulhuz@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 8:22 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG: Neutrino Observatory Destroyed: Why? Hey...The Glove cleaner said he liked the idea of something sucking the life out of the sun, killing it before it's time. As we all know, it's a nuclear reaction going on inside the sun. Azathoth? A motivation would be needed, of course, and a rational on why the hell he would bother, but I figured I'd throw the idea out there. From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of TheGreatCthulhuz@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 8:39 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Recent Intelligence A sad story, but it's inconclusive. I don't see too much "incriminating" things for the government...I can see their logic of denying it being a terrorist attack, at least at first (they still are, if I'm not mistaken). But on to a question for all of you... Someone please explain this to me: Many people object to being eavesdropped on, say on the internet. Unless you are doing some criminal act (THAT many Americans are pedophiles now? Unlikely) this in no way hurts you directly, other than your privacy. And I don't think the government will dole out personal info for money any time soon. So why complain? I assume that such things are merely 'going on principle' ethics stuff, but that's still a bit much, no? Many of you, I'm sure, have internet anonimity programs running as I speak, and I'd like your (encoded) thoughts on this subject, and why you feel it's 'bad'. I'm not saying I'm for it, mind you...I just want to see both sides of this "surviellence is your friend/no it's not" argument. I'm not happy with the arguments for it so far. From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of William Timmins [wtimmins@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 9:08 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Recent Intelligence >From: TheGreatCthulhuz@aol.com >Someone please explain this to me: >Many people object to being eavesdropped on, say on the internet. Unless >you >are doing some criminal act (THAT many Americans are pedophiles now? >Unlikely) this in no way hurts you directly, other than your privacy. And I >don't think the government will dole out personal info for money any time >soon. How about social security number? It was initially put in place with the express promise 'we'll never use this as a national ID#, this is only for social security.' And, well, there goes the camel's nose, and WHOMP! I hate giving out my SSN#. Every time I roll over and drop trou to every agency, bank, and nimrod who doesn't understand, or care, that they have no _right_ to it, I just hope it isn't that important. The government will do anything it can get away with, that's why people are vigilant about rights. Not because of the cover story, because of what comes next. Government is _far_ more dangerous than any enemy. When your own government is against you, what can you do? Flee? They are responsible for borders. >So why complain? I assume that such things are merely 'going on principle' >ethics stuff, but that's still a bit much, no? Many of you, I'm sure, have No, not really. Because the only reason the US isn't a police state where people have _no_ rights and the government can't decide 'you know, we don't need so many blacks. Let's test out some of this biowar stuff' on a continual (rather than occasional) basis is _because_ we fight so hard to keep the line. Any power that relies on someone being fundamentally fair, sane, or competant to use is not something you want strangers to hold over you. -=Will _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of William Timmins [wtimmins@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 9:14 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Recent Intelligence A more succinct explanation of why I don't want sweeping powers for government: Same reason I don't want 2 year olds running around with pistols. -=Will _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Tim Betz [vag@arsimagica.net] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 9:39 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: RE : [DG] Law Enforcement Source On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, L. Abdul Baan wrote: > Oh, and another question too : does anyone tried to convert the Rules of > Engagement novel into a DG scenario ? I haven't attempted to run the scenario, but I have used it as back story in a section where the players had just had a run in with Galt, and I used the Darren-Galt-Alzis connection to get the players to go to New York chasing Galt and in doing so, meet and deal with Alzis. It worked quite well actually. When they learned that Adam was dead and Alphonse had been shot, but didn't know too much more, they spent an entire session discussing whether to skip the country or not :) I think it gave them a nice sense of "other people are in DG out there doing stuff, and they screw up too". Made them feel a lot better... -- Tim I'll write it up soon and stick it on my website, honest... _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 10:38 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Privacy ----- Original Message ----- From: > Someone please explain this to me: > Many people object to being eavesdropped on, say on the internet. Unless you > are doing some criminal act (THAT many Americans are pedophiles now? > Unlikely) this in no way hurts you directly, other than your privacy. And I > don't think the government will dole out personal info for money any time > soon. I think there is a basic human need for privacy, or there wouldn't be an issue. You sing to the radio unashamedly in your car, but quit when someone sees you doing it at a stoplight. Are you ashamed? Guilty? Performing a criminal act? You play air guitar and vamp to the music but get flustered when you realize someone came in and saw you. You hide your diary even though you don't put *everything* in it. It's rude to read over someone's shoulder if you *haven't been invited*. Even people who think they are without body modesty from years of mixed saunas and bathing would feel ill at ease to discover surveillance in a changing room. One exposure is voluntary, the other isn't. The behaviors that require privacy change from culture to culture, but most have some activities that are for the individual alone. I've given the issues involved a lot of thought, because I've spent most of my career with the keys to the kingdom. The only privacy the users could expect was what I gave them according to my standards of professionalism. As time marched on and email became a legal issue, I was often put in the position of giving access to a user's email to the Legal or Human Resources departments. Rather than give them supervisor access, I'd take a lot of pains to make a copy of the account being investigated and give them access to *that*. It would have been much easier to give them global access, but I stonewalled them with technobabble and led them to believe that it couldn't be done. In this way I was able to restrict their snooping to work-related investigations. I think the primary issue, often unstated, is the premise that we are all innocent until proven guilty. This isn't about personal information or credit card numbers, it's simply about the basic right to have your own personal things private unless *you* choose to make them public. Having your privacy invaded, even when undetected, is punishment. Well sorry, but a relative handful of guilty folks being caught by punishing everyone isn't how things are supposed to work. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Charles Green [rijel12@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 11:42 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Final Fantasy I enjoyed FF too. My only problem with it was the limited facial expressions that the characters could make. Sure, the animation was stunning, but the characters lacked the depth that they could have had with better facial animations. Charley --- The Lizard King wrote: > I got a bunch of videos for the holiday, so I > finally got around to seeing > 'Final Fantasy.' I wish I had seen it on the big > screen. > > Yeah, the story was sort of uninspired, but it > didn't assault your > intelligence like 'Armageddon.' The pleasure of the > film was mostly visual. > It had great graphics, and they weren't all devoted > to bigger and better > explosions. > > If anyone is contemplating an Endtimes scenario, > check it out. Drop the > Gaia storyline and think of Tillinghast Resonators > and the beasties that > swarm around them. > > Mark McFadden > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [michelina.ponsetto@tin.it] Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 4:57 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Final Fantasy Greetings. Charley wrote.... >I enjoyed FF too. My only problem with it was the >limited facial expressions that the characters could >make. Hell, that has always been my problem with Clint Eastwood. And not only mine, recalling Sergio Leone's quote about Eastwood having only two expressions, with a cigar and without. Leone also said Lee Van Cliff had only two expression - with a hat and without. Considering the excellent job he did with both of them, I guess limited expression range is not such a big problem when you are a first class director. Which is where Final Fantasy limps badly - direction and script. > Sure, the animation was stunning, but the >characters lacked the depth that they could have had >with better facial animations. Again, I agree about the lack of depth, but blame the director/scriptwriter the most. But then, FF has the same horrid problem most recent major science fiction has shown - lack on belief in the structure, in the genre's elements plain old lack of love for the subject matter. They go through it by numbers, without an actual understanding for the structure, so we get movies with all the right cliches but huge gaping holes in the storyline, resulting in cliched movies. Not to mention those lame flicks in which the scriptwriter feels the need to constantly wink at you through gags and "post modern humour" (my foot) as if he was saying "see? we're not taking this seriously.... we know it's all just a fantasy..." Makes you wonder what Cameron, Scott or even Carpenter could do with the same tech and money. But all in all, Final Fantasy is a good taste of things to come - I hope. Could have been better, but it's just a first step. Hopefully, there will be more to come. Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jussi Marttila [velcrokf@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 5:42 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Privacy >From: TheGreatCthulhuz@aol.com >Someone please explain this to me: >Many people object to being eavesdropped on, say on the internet. Unless >you >are doing some criminal act (THAT many Americans are pedophiles now? >Unlikely) this in no way hurts you directly, other than your privacy. And I >don't think the government will dole out personal info for money any time >soon. I'm not an American (nor do I play one on TV), and I live in a country that is way more much organized than the US as far at it comes to keeping track of it's citizens. We all get SSN.s at birth, and if you don't have one for a reason, you can't get a job, an apartment, hospital care... but I still feel that the government's power over it's citizens should be kept to a minimum. I am often told that I'm paranoid. I blame the DGML and all the stuff I read. However, I don't think that any government has a right to listen to my thoughts, even if I *could* be engaging in criminal activities. I think privacy is a citizen's right that belongs to any democratic society. Jussi M God bless John Wayne ObFinland: The Finnish police just got wiretapping rights the last year (they still need a court order). Before that, wiretapping was completely illegal under any circumstances. However, there is strong evidence that our Security Police tapped phones used by animal rights activists (?!) since they warned the police of coming attacks against meat warehouses and fur warehouses. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 5:42 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Final Fantasy From: "Davide Mana" > But then, FF has the same horrid problem most recent major science fiction > has shown - lack on belief in the structure, in the genre's elements plain > old lack of love for the subject matter. > They go through it by numbers, without an actual understanding for the > structure, so we get movies with all the right cliches but huge gaping > holes in the storyline, resulting in cliched movies. And there's your ObDG--GMs are the directors in in role-playing games. Good idea to step back once in a while and take a look at what we're doing, make sure it isn't like the above. > Makes you wonder what Cameron, Scott or even Carpenter could do with the > same tech and money. Ah, Carpenter! When he's good, he's very good. But then he makes stuff like _Ghosts of Mars_. [shudder] Pace in terra, Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David.Clements [David.Clements@astro.cf.ac.uk] Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 8:42 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG: Neutrino Observatory Destroyed: Why? On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 TheGreatCthulhuz@aol.com wrote: > Hey...The Glove cleaner said he liked the idea of something sucking the life > out of the sun, killing it before it's time. > As we all know, it's a nuclear reaction going on inside the sun. Azathoth? A > motivation would be needed, of course, and a rational on why the hell he > would bother, but I figured I'd throw the idea out there. Maybe Azathoth is doing it to all stars, so the Sun doesn't need to be special... See Baxter's Xeelee series for a view of such a universe, especially Ring.. Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 9:36 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG: Neutrino Observatory Destroyed: Why? On 24 November 2001, "David.Clements" wrote: >On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 TheGreatCthulhuz@aol.com wrote: > > > Hey...The Glove cleaner said he liked the idea of something sucking the >life > > out of the sun, killing it before it's time. > > As we all know, it's a nuclear reaction going on inside the sun. >Azathoth? A > > motivation would be needed, of course, and a rational on why the hell he > > would bother, but I figured I'd throw the idea out there. > >Maybe Azathoth is doing it to all stars, so the Sun doesn't need to be >special... But I thought the commercial said that "Azathoth will suck the life out of no star before its time"? I wish we could effectively measure the neutrino output from other stars, so we could have some idea of whether this is something specific to Sol, or whether it happens with all stars (at least G-class), or whether our model of stellar fusion is somehow flawed. (I really hope it is possibility #3 -- the prospect of the Sun going out, or turning into a red giant and destroying the Earth, is a bit depressing!) In "Secret of the Ninth Planet", by Donald Wolheim, written in the early 1960s, some aliens have gone to elaborate lengths to influence Sol's stellar evolution, for their own nefarious purposes. The fate of the Sun -- and of Earth -- depends on the brave crew of the spaceship "Magellan"! The descriptions of some of the worlds in the Solar System seems a bit outdated now, but the author was basing them on what was known and theorized when the book was written. The hero's visit to Yuggoth -- er, Pluto -- is rather interesting... Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [michelina.ponsetto@tin.it] Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 4:08 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Endtimes RPG? Greetings. Looks like our ramblings about the Endtimes coming did not go unheeded http://www.abashima.com/index.html These guys are about to publish a game set in a post-stars-being-right world. For the d20. They also have a D20 steampunkish thing that reminded me _a lot_ of Space 889. As that chap in Maine once wrote, sometimes they come back. Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Shane Ivey [shane@revolutionsf.com] Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 5:23 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Endtimes RPG? Interesting. If Mohammed won't go to the mountain.... This reminds me: what was the hold-up again with publishing the mini-scenarios written for Pagan's apocryphal End Times game? The teacher with the classroom full of doomed kids and all that. I know I should remember this, but I don't. It would be interesting to see that material on paper sometime, or at least on screen. Put them in easily-printable PDF, add an introduction laying out the background and the early reaction to the pieces, and charge $5 for the download, and you'd likely get some business. (I know, I know, this has all been discussed; I just need my memory refreshed. Maybe we can add a note to the FAQ file on DG.com.) Shane Ivey Producer, RevolutionSF http://www.revolutionsf.com/ -----Original Message----- http://www.abashima.com/index.html These guys are about to publish a game set in a post-stars-being-right world. For the d20. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 10:33 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Endtimes RPG? On 24 November 2001, Davide Mana wrote: >They also have a D20 steampunkish thing that reminded me _a lot_ of Space >889. And Space 1889 itself is being reprinted by Heliograph Games. Most of the original books and supplements, though not the boxed miniatures naval wargames, or (yet) the metal miniatures! (Too bad about the miniatures... Some of them were really good for use with "Gaslight" -- I had the "Soldiers of the Queen" and "Adventurers" sets (the latter being one of the only sets of miniatures I ever heard of which included a Victorian-era Naval officer, and a couple of ladies (one quite sensibly firing a Webly revolver in what appeared to be an Isosceles stance...) Unfortunately, all of these miniatures (and many more) were stolen from my home a few years ago, while I was away at Pennsic, and I haven't been able to find replacements!) > >As that chap in Maine once wrote, sometimes they come back. Hopefully, the Space 1889 miniatures will come back... ObDG: Space 1889 & Gaslight crossovers for a really interesting campaign? Cthulhoid terrors on Mars? (Those H.G. Wells Martians _did_ have tentacles...) Spacefaring agents of predecessors of DG and PISCES (in the 1889 universe) operating "Wild Wild West" style (complete with the gadgets, gotta have the gadgets):) against Mythos cults, mad scientists (HAHAHAHAHA), etc., as well as Selenites and such with their own nefarious designs on Earth... Captain Nemo and the "Nautilus" vs. Deep Ones? (Well, he and his crew did fight tentacled horrors that Arronax might have only _thought_ were giant squid...):) Robur vs. the Mythos? (His "Albatross" would have been a far more difficult target for flying creatures than the balloons of the era, and the "Terror" could be just the machine for Victorian/Edwardian Mythos Warriors...) Professor Moriarty on the Moon? ("You say 'Dynamics of an Asteroid' was actually the theory and practice of blowing up planets to produce asteroids?") Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Berin Kinsman [deltagreen@unclebear.com] Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 11:42 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Endtimes RPG? --- "Michael Layne" wrote: > Professor Moriarty on the Moon? ("You say 'Dynamics of an Asteroid' was >actually the theory and practice of blowing up planets to produce >asteroids?") A premise explored by Isaac Asimov in a Black Widowers tale who title escapes me. And to wend that back on topic, has anyone mined any "maintream", non-Mythos mystery tales or thrillers for DG plots? I know folks have pulled a lot of Victorian escapist literature into Gaslight scnarios, what modern authors and characters have you looped? _____________________________________________________________ UNCLE BEAR: news, commentary and community for the escapist mind http://unclebear.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 1:06 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Law Enforcement Source ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Abdul Baan" > > By the way, does anybody knows where to find some official report > templates/samples, like a standard police report, autopsy report and > other stuff like that ? I'd like to create very realistic handouts for > my players... I found a page of LEO links. I didn't see anything directly related to reports, but I saw just about everything else. If nothing else, it's a shitload of links. http://www.sover.net/~tmartin/Resources.htm Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rob Shankly [ludo@bigpond.com.au] Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 3:57 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Law Enforcement Source Greetings- Anatomy of a Murder: A Trip Through Our Nation's Legal Justice System is at http://library.thinkquest.org/2760/homep.htm , courtesy of thinkquest. This is worth a read, particularly for people like me who don't live in the US and therefore get a lot of "information" from TV. http://library.thinkquest.org/2760/learn3.htm links to an arrest report, fingerprint form, evidence report and a couple of others. I think this site will meet most of your needs. http://www.ezx.com/ market "form creating" software (which looks like an exciting industry) and they have a number of police templates available at http://www.ezx.com/eformsdigest.htm . Unfortunately it appears that you need to buy the software to use them. www.ezx.com/images/ PD-OffenseReport_96dpi_3.jpg is an example and frankly I think you could do better with Excel, although it would be time consuming. There are plenty of scans of allegedly real reports online. Fox's "Million Dollar Mysteries" page has several- http://www.fox.com/mdmystery/ i.e: http://www.fox.com/mdmystery/103/images/tmurder_police_report_01.jpg http://www.fox.com/mdmystery/jamesbond_police01.htm otherwise: http://www.slumdance.com/thugs/Images/Willis/Police/polcrpt.gif (this story even made it to Australia) There are also some pictures of police reports at www.zodiackiller.com (i.e http://www.zodiackiller.com/images/ferrinmageaureportsample.gif) but the site is designed by a flash/java enthusiast with NO idea of graphic design... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L. Abdul Baan" > > > > > By the way, does anybody knows where to find some official report > > templates/samples, like a standard police report, autopsy report and > > other stuff like that ? I'd like to create very realistic handouts for > > my players... Unrelated, but worth a look is the US DoD homepage http://www.defenselink.mil/ http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/ may be a useful source. -- Rob Shankly ludo@bigpond.com.au Better living through reckless experimentation. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [michelina.ponsetto@tin.it] Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 6:26 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Interesting movie Cheers. I just caught a movie that, while flawed, might give some ideas to keepers out there. It's called "Brotherhood of the Wolf" in English, "Le Pacte des Loups" in the original French, and it's set in the mid18th century. While it masterfully and unashamedly rips off "The Hound of the Baskervilles" (especially the Cushing/Lee adaptation), it remains quite an interesting viewing. The pros... . nice cryptozoological/lovecraftian premise (a Beast preys on the villagers) . good DG-esque development (the king sends two "special hunters") . OSSJ operatives on the premises . excellent action sequences The cons... . obvious - if effective - bad guy . lame conspiratorial background . tacked-on Hollywood-style boy-meets-girl happy ending . Monica Bellucci can't act to save her life and has only two expressions anyway, with and without her kit The Italian distributor decided to chop half hour of the movie (reasons unknown), so maybe the lame conspiracy is not that lame. All in all, good entertainment and food for future campaigns. Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 7:37 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Another Interesting movie I recently caught "The Crimson Rivers" on video. Pierre Niemans: Jean Reno Max Kerkerian: Vincent Cassel Fanny Ferreira: Nadia Fares Remy Caillois: Laurent Avare Directed by Mathieu Kassovitz. Written by Mathieu Kassovitz and Jean-Christophe Grange, based on the novel by Grange. In the theaters it was in French with subtitles, but the video shows signs of the Continent accomadating American provincial ways. The video has all of the primary characters speaking accented English, undubbed, while peripheral characters are dubbed with American-accented voices. This indicates that each scene was shot with two versions. Lots of stuff to mine for scenario gold. First, the location. A prestigious but very private university in the Alps. The usual institutional stonewalling of possible scandal, but with fascinating little extras. While talking to a local expert on eye disorders we find that he set up shop in the area because of the clusters of genetic defects. The university faculty has a long tradition of intermarrying. We start to get hints of eugenics. Any Keepers who have despaired at the lack of convenient taverns for Investigators to meet and spontaneously decide to band together, the story brings the two policemen together by having them investigating apparently unconnected crimes. Niemans (Reno) is investigating the murder of a man who is found in the mountains hanging 150 feet in the air in the fetal position, blinded, his hands amputated. Kerkerian (Cassel) is investigating the desecration of a tomb containing a child whose mother said she was killed by the devil. Forget the mystery, groove on the atmosphere. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of FAC [Profesor_Bacterio@ono.com] Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 7:32 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Another Interesting movie Both are french and we can see Vincent Cassel in both movies, as the cool investigator and as the decadent noble. I liked more 'Rivers..' but the photography in 'Loups...' is astounding. A new good spanish movie is 'Intacto' it's about people that believe in luck and they can steal luck from other people, an interesting point of view, not exactly DG but it could be fine to a different adventure. FAC _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 8:41 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Another Interesting movie LK said: > I recently caught "The Crimson Rivers" on video. HA! Beat you there, amigo. I saw it in the theatre when it hit the UAE. I even talked it up onlist, too. NYAH NYAH!!!!!! Anyway, when I saw it here it was dubbed in English, but Jean Reno did his own voice. And it was a pretty fun flick. J. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/