From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 2:06 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Danger Danger John Robinson On 26 November 2001, "Dave Farnell" said: >Interesting--sounds like this worm might give itself a different filename >for every person it sends itself to. Mine was DOCS.DOC.pif. Now what would >really be scary is if the worm somehow figured out that I had used a >character named Doc in a couple of stories, and chose the name for that >reason. Even worse, that would suggest that the worm thinks J. Edward wants >to see Andy naked--and in full-motion-and-sound MP3 format, too. Yikes. However, mine was S3MSONG.DOC.scr, with the subject line relating to the Neutrino thread (a sort of massless cosmic string in cyberspace). While I posted one message remaining to neutrinos, I've posted far more messages with various other subjects, so we can see that the AI either made a mistake, or is far more subtle than Turing or Babbage would give it credit for! > >ObDG: Intelligent computer programs. Nothing we haven't talked half to >death >already, though. Well, it _is_ 2001! Right, HAL? Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com "I know I've made some very poor decisions recently..." -- HAL 9000, speaking to Astronaut Dave Bowman, aboard spacecraft USS "Discovery" (shortly after HAL has killed the rest of the Humans in the crew, and tried to prevent Dave from reboarding the ship) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Doctor TOC [otherchris@erols.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 4:03 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Dragonmeet 2001 (or is that Dagon Meat?) Lee Williams wrote: > > Flying to London tomorrow? Does this have anything to do with Dragonmeet > 2001 by any chance? Indeed it does. I'm travelling as Heliograph's official "Leg-breaker, Booth Monkey and Helpful Native Guide". > If anyone is going to the con then look me up, maybe we can get a game in? Sadly, the whole point of Matt paying for me to go to London (apart from seeing my family and convincing my old mum that I haven't been replaced by a neater, more responsible clone) is that he gets to game, and I get to extort money from hapless passers-by. However, if anyone wants to drift by the Heliograph table to say hi and chat about horror gaming, time travel, how John Carpenter's really gone off the boil recently, or anything else esoteric, feel free. I'll be the tall slaphead going weak at the sight of proper chips and desperately trying not to sound like he's spent the last four years on the wrong side of the pond. > Associate Editor - DEMONGROUND: Reflections of a Darker Future Keep meaning to submit something to Demonground, never seem to get around to it. MUST TRY HARDER. Doctor TOC -- The Reverend Doctor "The Other Chris" Secret Elf, Jive Talkin' Choirboy, God of Cowboy Spurs ICQ # 4814586 Daleks! 3D - http://users.rcn.com/otherchris/ Time War RPG - http://jump.to/TimeWar alt.tv.sevendays FAQ - http://welcome.to/7-Days The TOC Files - http://members.fortunecity.com/toc _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [michelina.ponsetto@tin.it] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 4:37 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Interesting Reading Greetings. Looks like all I'm able to do these days is suggest stuff - games, movies, books... Anyway, when I write a DG novel (and I will, sooner or later) I want it to look and feel like David Mitchell's "Ghostwritten" (ISBN 0-340-73975-4). In 436 pages you get . the Aum Shinrikiyo gassing Tokyo underground and aftermath as seen through the eyes of a cultist . jazz and the single man in Tokyo . hauntings, death and financial intrigue (not necessarily in that order) in Hong Kong . an overview of the last 70 years of Chinese history with spirits and foreign devils . Yithian hosting in Mongolia and around the world (well, it's not exactlòy Yithian.... let's call it soul transmigration, but a good template anyway) . Russian mafia, coke, former spies, art theft and corruption in St Petersburg . more ghosts and gambling in London . quantum mechanics, Gulf War as weapons ad, Men in Black (including "the Texan") and runaway scientists in Ireland . loons calling a NY Radio Station, ebola and biological warfare . redo from start.(or maybe not) Excellent novel - you can't pigeonhole it in a genre or what, but wasted time sure it's not. Check it out. Davide Mana omnivorous reader Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ben cook [polytropos@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 9:59 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Introductions Greetings, I've been lurking on the list for a couple months now (thoroughly enjoying it all) and decided that it would be rude not to introduce myself. My name is Ben Cook and I am currently beginning my stint as a 2nd Lt. in the U.S. Marine Corps. Currently stationed in Quantico, VA, I'll be here for another year or so until this stage of training is complete. Well, I don't quite know what I can contribute, but if someone has questions about Officer Candidate School or Marine Corps basic officer training, I'll be more than happy to try and answer. Yrs cordially, B. Cook -- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ACM [sarnath7@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:17 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Interesting Movie, other stuff I once saw Gorgo (British Godzilla? please), but it was the MST3K version, so I'm not sure that counts. However, thinking of MST3K made me remember the intro song "He'll try to keep his sanity with the help of his robot friends!". Apparently, wise ass comments can stave off insanity. That might be a useful bit of knowledge. Thanks to all of those who helped me with the King in Yellow. I checked it out from a library, and now I can't get it out of my mind... Nice tunic there, Andy. Welcome to the list, Ben. ACM I used to watch "Mister Show" all the time. The episode with the Civil War re-enacters kicked ass, but as I recall, the line was "Set your phasers to shut up!" _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Simon Berman [toreatect@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 1:03 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Introductions --- ben cook wrote: > > Greetings, > I've been lurking on the list for a couple months > now (thoroughly > enjoying it all) and decided that it would be rude > not to introduce > myself. My name is Ben Cook and I am currently > beginning my stint as > a 2nd Lt. in the U.S. Marine Corps. Currently > stationed in Quantico, > VA, I'll be here for another year or so until this > stage of training > is complete. > Well, I don't quite know what I can contribute, but > if someone has > questions about Officer Candidate School or Marine > Corps basic > officer training, I'll be more than happy to try and > answer. > > Yrs cordially, > B. Cook > -- Damnation! I ran "The Raid on Innsmouth" scenario on Sunday and I had a host of questions about Marine procedure (even if it was 80 years ago). Heh, ah well. If I have questions in the future I know who to ask. ;-) Cheers, Simon Berman New York ===== Give me one more medicated, peaceful moment. -A Perfect Circle, Orestes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nick Brownlow [stabernide@netscape.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 6:24 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Cc: jon.turner@ntlworld.com Subject: [DG] Op EERIE II: Through the Bookcase It's that time of year again... Op EERIE II: Through the Bookcase Location: London, England The perfect antidote for those post-holiday blues: Regular contributors to THE BLACK SEAL (survival in the new millenium is impossible without one; coming soon to a gaming store near *you*) are having a staff outing on Thursday, 3rd Jan 2002, and naturally, any and all DGMLers are welcome to attend should they happen to be in the area. For those who don't remember, Operation EERIE in July was a themed pub crawl taking in a selection of London pubs owned by the 'Eerie' chain of free houses. A great laugh was had by all (at least before the cops waded in with the riot gear), and so we decided to do it again (and if anyone's wondering what the 'Through the Bookcase' thing's about, it's because in several Eerie pubs the toilets are concealed behind fake bookcases). The theme for EERIE II is still classified at this time (undecided), but rest assured, it's going to be bloody good. DGML celebs thus far confirmed are DG friendly Grant Emerson's sinister alter-ego Dr Graeme "It's alive" Price, sanity-fried PISCES agent Jon "Go on Pascal" Turner, and shadowy industrial magnate and TBS editor Adam "The Vicar" Crossingham. Our man in Cardiff, Phil "I'm from the valleys, me" Ward has also promised to do his best to show up, but warns us it will mean risking 'retirement' at the hands of his own personal ANDREA. Good luck to Phil there. If anyone wants to discuss logistics further, email me offlist and I'll keep you informed of our plans. We should be getting our act together over the next week or two. cheers, Nick -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jessthecatasc@eircom.net Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 6:42 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Final Fantasy > Those Colonial Marines came off pretty tough in "Aliens," but that little > digital readout counting down the rounds showed which side had the real > advantage. > And yes, I am aware of what a lousy place that was to put the counter if it > had been a real gun, and how that ruined the whole movie for you ;-) Problem remains: Colonial Marines Pulse Rifle, Zorg Multi-Function cannon, PPG - its too akin to Mi-Go sorts of weapons. Unless you want that sort of thing > Oh, and remember, after you carve up Cthulhu like a pot roast he > reassembles in a pissy mood. Not to mention with slimmer thighs _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jessthecatasc@eircom.net Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 6:46 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Interesting Reading > Texan") and runaway scientists in Ireland Northern Ireland: PISCES rural branch territory, not MIG _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jessthecatasc@eircom.net Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 6:50 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Interesting Movie, other stuff > I once saw Gorgo (British Godzilla? please) Maybe its a different version. But the version I know of is definitely set here and england. So Fnord (or, in this case, GUBU) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jessthecatasc@eircom.net Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 6:53 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Gorgo! (Was [DG] Interesting Movie, other stuff) here's the proof: http://www.psychotronic.com/mm/gorgo.htm and a wee quote for those who don't have internet: Bill Travers and William Sylvester star as a pair of salvage divers who are looking for loot in the sea off the coast of Ireland. While diving on a wreck one night, the sea begins to bubble and heave around them. An erupting submerged volcano sends huge waves their way, seriously damaging their ship. They put in for repairs at a small seaside village, where they find the inhabitants none too friendly to outsiders. An exception is a young orphan named Sean (Vincent Winter), who is excited by the presence of strangers and does what he can to help. Sean has been working for an archeologist studying Viking relics in the area. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of John Stanley [nytmair@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 7:01 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Fiction: A Good Book is Hard to Come By -- Part 4 ow....I got the bug again, so here is the latest. Sorry for the delay. He pulled into the space to the left of Detective Marshall’s car and turned off the ignition. He put his cigarette out in the ashtray and looking in his rearview mirror, caught some movement near the row of cars behind his. He focused intently for a few seconds on the white import pulling out of the lot. Once it got going, he could feel the familiar thump of the bass speakers from the car inside his chest. Asshole, he thought to himself. Turning to the car to the right, he peered from his seat for any of those little red flashing alarm warning indicators. He could not see any, so he got out of the car and walked around to the drivers’ side of the sedan and looked through the window. His heart begun to beat a little quicker in his chest when he spied the book laying on the back seat. He wrapped the end of his coat around his arm and prepared to bash in the side window with his elbow. He paused, and grabbed the drivers door handle, it was unlocked. He smiled to himself and reached in to unlock the rear passenger door, not seeing the figuire almost silently rushing him, until he felt the blow to the side of his knee, instantly buckling his body. He cried out, jerking his head back and hitting it on the door jamb of the car, sending bolts of pain through his head and causing his eyes to water. His left arm was wrenched behind him and he felt cold metal pressed into the back of his neck. “You got the wrong car, jerkoff” A female voice said smoothly, and as she turned, she saw his face, she finished with “Doctor”. “Uh, well you……” Agent Miller began. Keeping the gun pointing at him, she motioned to the ground. “Sit down” She stated. Her eyes When he didn’t comply, she added “I’m not in the mood to be fucked with, Doctor”. She said the Doctor part with just enough sarcasm to tell him that the jig was up. He sat down, and with some pain adjusted his right leg a bit. As he moved his hand up towards his head, the look in her eyes was cautioning against sudden movements. He gingerly touched the back of his head and looked at his fingers for blood. There was none, he cracked a slight smile up at her. “Nice moves Detective Marshall” he winced as he moved his leg to the right a little. “So you wanna tell me now what’s going on now, or after I arrest you for impersonating a police officer ” she scowled at him. “Well, can I get up?” He asked. “Sure” she quipped, moving her right hand to her back and bringing her handcuffs out. “Just do me a favor, and turn around and put your hands behind your back.” He held his hands up in a conciliatory fashion, “All right, you win.” He looked around for the first time, silently chiding himself for being so foolish. Should’ve waited until night fall, after she was home, he thought. “We can talk, but we cannot talk here” He said calmly. “In the open like this” He finished. “Yea, right” She smirked. “Get up, now” Motioning with the cuffs, their chrome highlights dancing from the tube lights of the garage. “I’m a federal agent” He admitted, “My ID is in my right coat pocket.” He said, eyeing downwards towards his right side. “Move your left hand slowly to retrieve it, keep the right hand up, any funny business and I will shoot you, do you understand?” “Yea,” He replied, getting the case from his pocket and holding it up to her, his eyes locked with hers. “Special Agent Frank Miller, Federal Bureau of Investigation” she read aloud. Keeping an eye on her charge as she spoke, “Well mister FBI-man, I suppose you have a warrant, or at least probable cause for breaking into my car” She said caustically, “That is of course, if this is a real ID. You’ll allow me the professional courtesy of at least checking this out, won’t you, Agent Miller” “Go ahead, the field office number is on my card in my wallet.” He said. “Right, thanks anyway. Here in Southfield, Michigan we have the latest in computer technology that allows us to connect with almost every federal agency and I should be able to verify your identity nicely with that, am I correct?” “Yes you are detective“ He shrugged, sitting back against the car. She had him stand up and she cuffed his hands behind his back. She opened the rear door to her car, moved the book to the front, and helped him into the seat. “Look, can I just explain what is going on?” He asked, as she got into the car. “This involves you, and you may already be in a lot of danger” She looked at him tiredly. He had the same warm look on his face that she had seen in the hospital. She wanted to believe that he was being sincere, but his behavior thus far was contrary to his displayed persona. She closed her eyes, the pain of the days events was roiling just below the surface of her emotions. It would not take much to set her off. She could feel herself teetering on the edge of breakdown. She tried to concentrate on the situation. Her thoughts flowed from Allan, to the case they were investigating, to the thing that killed him, to the man in her backseat, who had lied about the book, and then was caught by her attempting to steal it. She realized that she had forgotten to frisk him. As she opened her eyes, and turned her head she saw the cuffs laying on her seat back and the man in the back seat sitting there, looking at her with compassion in his eyes, his hands raised in a non-threatening manner. “Look, if I wanted to harm you, I had the perfect chance.” He said, pleading with his eyes. Explaining further, “I really am an FBI Agent, assigned to track down a number of rare volumes, that carry certain,“ pausing, he moved his hand slowly to his cigarettes,”certain risks to their owners.” He smiled slightly again, lighting it. Offering her one, which she declined, he continued. “I don’t know how much I can explain to you without you thinking me off my rocker, but what happened to your partner, and to the Johnson family has a good chance of happening to you.” He looked into her eyes. She gritted her teeth, slightly shook her head, and calmly said “Go on” “I lost a colleague in much the same way as you did during the collection of one of these, these books. I am not at liberty to discuss much else with you at this time, but I would like to talk to you in a while, after you have had some time.” He watched a single tear course slowly down her right cheek, and felt a protective wave of emotion wash over him. He pushed it down. He got out of the car and bent down slightly to her window. “Will you give me the book?” He asked, almost timidly. As her fingers touched it, she felt for sure that she was doing the wrong thing. She hesitated, pushing aside her fear, she passed it through the opening. “I’ll be in touch Detective, count on it” Miller got into his car, and as he drove off, saw her sitting there in her car crying. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jon.turner [jon.turner@ntlworld.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 8:01 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Op EERIE II: Through the Bookcase Just when you thought it was safe to go back to the DGML... I'm BAAAAAACKKK!! You can't keep a good man down. Nick had this to say about our post-festive season festive piss-up... > and naturally, any and all DGMLers are welcome to attend should they happen to be in the area. Bring your friends, too. I know I'm bringing a stack of mine, even if they are all Lovecraft Lovers. And no, it's not another bag of black rats... >A great laugh was had by all (at least before the cops waded in with the riot gear), You may or not recall that the final score was one attempted mugging, a fistfight, one lost wallet and a grand total of four or five pubs. I think... no, hang on, we were definitely in more than that. It was all blurry and I was kinda woozy towards the End. As a means to a creative end, it also spawned a series of horrible ideas for the Black Seal. A cha cha cha... > The theme for EERIE II is still classified at this time (undecided), but rest assured, it's going >to be bloody good. We've more or less ruled out drinking cider in a graveyard, but we can always reverse that if there's a groundswell of opinion in that direction. > sanity-fried PISCES agent Jon "Go on Pascal" Turner, I prefer the term "sanity-scorched" myself... And not forgetting Nick "Hand us the fookin' Archers" Brownlow... > If anyone wants to discuss logistics further, email me offlist and I'll keep you informed of our plans. We should be getting our act together over the next week or two. Join usssss.... Join ussssss.... JT Graeme has made us promise there'll be no dancing, but what does he know? Bwah ha ha ha ha HAH!! _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 8:12 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] The San Check site of the day It's not even safe to look at your Bravenet member email anymore... http://www.turdtwister.com 0/1? 1/1d2? J. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Crossingham, Adam [Adam.Crossingham@markelintl.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 9:54 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Interesting movie Davide Mana wrote: > It's called "Brotherhood of the Wolf" in English, I caught this movie last month and I highly second Davide's recommendation. > . nice cryptozoological/lovecraftian premise (a Beast preys > on the villagers) Nice special effects by Jim Henson and the full shape of the monster isn't seen until the end. > . good DG-esque development (the king sends two "special hunters") > . OSSJ operatives on the premises The DG connection was definitely there, as the lead investigator had one of those troubled backgrounds like all good DG operatives have. The St. Jerome types were a surprise for me... I wasn't expecting them and they pop up out nowhere. > . excellent action sequences I second that again... but where a Native American learnt martial arts I have no idea... natural aptitude I guess :) > The cons... > . obvious - if effective - bad guy I'm not so sure - I didn't guess until the end, though the poster gives it away if you look closely... > . lame conspiratorial background It's feels lame today but I suppose the conspiracy is appropriately C18 style. But the wolf isn't a wolf... that was the bigger let-down... > . tacked-on Hollywood-style boy-meets-girl happy ending > . Monica Bellucci can't act to save her life and has only > two expressions > anyway, with and without her kit Well she looked damned fine with either of the two expressions... but that's just me, I enjoyed the brothel sequences too much. > so maybe the lame conspiracy is not that lame. > All in all, good entertainment and food for future campaigns. Its on my DVD to buy list... AFC _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Crossingham, Adam [Adam.Crossingham@markelintl.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 10:45 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: [DG] [News] UK security services merger I'm assuming PISCES is exempt from the plan... but who knows with Blair? No 10 backs merger of security services http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=106710 _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:15 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: Gorgo! (Was [DG] Interesting Movie, other stuff) On 27 November 2001, jessthecatasc@eircom.net wrote: >here's the proof: > >http://www.psychotronic.com/mm/gorgo.htm These creatures may have also been known to the Russians... The "Kursk" may have encountered one of them, leading to the "most heavily armed rescue operation in recent history"! Gorgo may be related to Godzilla -- there seems to be a certain family resemblance! He may also be related to Barney, but _that_ dinosaur is one of the relatives that the family doesn't like to talk about! The lesser-known member of the "Gorgo Family" is Ogrog, Gorgo's sibling. Rather than pushing over lighthouses, or crushing pickup trucks, Ogrog spent his time visiting pubs, where he ordered rum with a little water. "Ogrog" is not yet out on videotape, but the most memorable scene in it, IIRC, is when Ogrog has had a bit too much grog, and two sailors in the pub are discussing what to do now... First Sailor: "What do you do with a drunken monster?" Second Sailor (glancing at the wall clock, which shows it is past midnight): "Earlye in the mornin'?" Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:26 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] [News] UK security services merger On 27 November 2001, just over three weeks after Guy Fawkes Day, "Crossingham, Adam" wrote: >I'm assuming PISCES is exempt from the plan... but who knows with Blair? > >No 10 backs merger of security services >http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=106710 Will the resulting mega-agency (combining MI-5 and MI-6) be known as MI-11? Or possibly, as they are also planning on including the UK version of the NSA (which ought to be good for at least one more number) it will be MI-12! Similar notions on this side of the Atlantic, of merging the CIA and FBI, are highly likely to founder on the question of what to name the resulting agency. Possibilities include: FBII (Federal Bureau of Intelligence and Investigation) CIIA (Central Intelligence and Investigation Agency) FBIA (Federal Bureau of Investigative Activities) FCBIIA (Federal Central Bureau of Intelligence and Investigation Activities) Someone suggested calling it the Committee of Public Safety, but unfortunately there was a student of French history present, and the suggestion was vetoed. Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Berin Kinsman [deltagreen@unclebear.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:46 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Smoking Gun Has anyone used The Smoking Gun (www.thesmokinggun.com) as a resource? If you want real documents to print out and use as handouts, this is a great source. I was looking at this tidbit, for instance... http://www.thesmokinggun.com/doc_o_day/saboteur1.shtml With George W. Bush proposing to create secret courts to prosecute accused terrorists (military officers would act as judge and jury), here's a look back at the last time the U.S. government empaneled such a tribunal. In June 1942, the FBI nabbed eight Nazi saboteurs who had slipped into the country in a bid to disrupt defense-related production facilities. Six of the Germans were executed following a trial held in the Department of Justice's headquarters (the other two were sentenced to lengthy prison terms). As this memo to President Franklin D. Roosevelt shows, the disposal of the Nazi corpses was actually once a state secret. On page three you'll find mug shots of the dead guys. -berin ******** http://unclebear.com/deltagreen "According to Gallup polls, only 10% of Americans say they hold a secular view of the world, while 44% believe in strict biblical creationism. Four million also believe they have been abducted by Aliens. The Economist urges [presidential] candidates to address the vital question this finding raises. Should schools teach survival courses for those threatened with alien abduction?" -- From the Economist, regarding the teaching of evolution in schools _____________________________________________________________ UNCLE BEAR: news, commentary and community for the escapist mind http://unclebear.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:59 AM To: 'deltagreen@revolutionsf.com' Subject: RE: [DG] Final Fantasy <> One thing I liked about Mi-Go weapons was the ick factor... since they seem to be biological constructs (thinking here of the electric gun and armor) they should be slimy, have a hideous stench, wiggle around, and do other suitably nauseating things. Yes, pulse rifles perform a similar function... but seeing a mi-go electric gun running low on ammo feeding itself on corpse of your partner while you just emptied your last clip has to be a hallmark moment. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Doctor TOC [otherchris@erols.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:01 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: Gorgo! (Was [DG] Interesting Movie, other stuff) Michael Layne wrote: > On 27 November 2001, jessthecatasc@eircom.net wrote: > >> here's the proof: >> >> http://www.psychotronic.com/mm/gorgo.htm Love that movie! > These creatures may have also been known to the Russians... The > "Kursk" may have encountered one of them, leading to the "most heavily > armed rescue operation in recent history"! Oooh, nice. > The lesser-known member of the "Gorgo Family" is Ogrog, Gorgo's > sibling. Rather than pushing over lighthouses, or crushing pickup > trucks, Ogrog spent his time visiting pubs, where he ordered rum with a > little water. LOL! Actually, you're not far off with the name. In the novelisation of the movie (a Monarch book, *heavily* spiced with sex and violence), the smaller creature is Gorgo, and it's much larger parent is Ogra. Of course, that *was* in the sixties, so Gorgo is probably all growed up by now. I wrote a Gorgo fanfic not too long ago, which featured the death of the elder monster by drilling platform (borrowed from "The Burrowers Beneath"), evil government sponsored genetic experiments, the returns of Reptilicus and the Giant Behemoth for a threeway battle in central London, UNIT from "Doctor Who", and a whole bunch of other stuff. The moral? Never write drunk... :-) Doctor TOC -- The Reverend Doctor "The Other Chris" Secret Elf, Jive Talkin' Choirboy, God of Cowboy Spurs ICQ # 4814586 Daleks! 3D - http://users.rcn.com/otherchris/ Time War RPG - http://jump.to/TimeWar alt.tv.sevendays FAQ - http://welcome.to/7-Days The TOC Files - http://members.fortunecity.com/toc _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of L. Abdul Baan [lordabdul@vachefolle.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE : [DG] Smoking Gun > > Has anyone used The Smoking Gun (www.thesmokinggun.com) as a resource? If > you want real documents to print out and use as handouts, this is a great > source. > I mentioned it a few days ago but since I've been receiving messages in complete random order (with altered dates), maybe you posted that earlier... Anyway, there are some "funny" documents, like, for example, Mike Tyson's psychiatric report. Also, some photos of crime scenes, but it must be really difficult to use them as actual handouts (except if you build your scenario according to them). But you never know... _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Pullen [david.pullen3@virgin.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 1:29 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] [News] UK security services merger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crossingham, Adam" > I'm assuming PISCES is exempt from the plan... but who knows with Blair? > > No 10 backs merger of security services > http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=106710 > ISTR that Stalin did something similar? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ElLocoToro@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 2:03 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] GRU and Afghanistan If this doesn't look like an obvious scenario-in-the-making, check your vital signs. --Mark ================================================ Russia gives vital maps to CIA http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/archive/23-11-19101-23-59-25.html IAN BRUCE Spetznaz experience passed to US troops MOSCOW has supplied maps of cave complexes in south and east Afghanistan to the CIA to help in the intensifying manhunt for Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda terror network lieutenants. The maps were drawn up from surveys carried out by the GRU, the Red Army's intelligence arm, during the 10-year Soviet occupation of the country which ended in 1989, after a bitter, guerrilla war which cost the USSR more than 15,000 dead. Although tunnels and bunkers have been improved and possibly extended since then, bin Laden's organisation and the ruling Taliban regime are still believed to rely on the basic underground infrastructure which provided a degree of shelter, security from air attack and locations for hidden arms caches through a decade of conflict against the Soviet invaders. Russia has also passed on advice based on the combat experience of its own Spetznaz special forces in tackling the Afghan mujahideen in the rugged terrain of the Hindu Kush range, which dominates two-thirds of the country. A Pentagon source, confirming Moscow's cooperation yesterday, said: "We are grateful for the hands-on input from Russia. Intelligence is flooding in from sources ranging from paid local informers to friendly security services to hi-tech electronic assets. "Moscow's contribution is particularly useful. Until we take bin Laden out, this is, essentially, an information war." US and British special forces, guided by former Taliban fighters who have now switched sides, are concentrating the search in mountains east of Kandahar, the regime's political and spiritual stronghold, and around Tora Bora east of Jalalabad, close to the frontier with Pakistan. Both sectors are also under scrutiny by unmanned surveillance drones, orbiting KH11 Keyhole satellites, and reconnaissance aircraft understood to include RAF Nimrods and US Awacs which can detect movement on the ground over a 250-mile radius. In addition, a new Air Force spy plane - the high altitude, unmanned Global Hawk - began flying over Afghanistan this week for the first time, Donald Rumsfled, defence secretary, said yesterday. He said it was being operated as a demonstration model, since the aircraft was still in development and had never before been used in a real operation. Two US Marine amphibious expeditionary units, each consisting of a 600-strong battalion of riflemen supported by Harrier jump jets and SuperCobra helicopter gunships, are standing by on the assault ships Bataan and Peleliu, close to the Pakistan coast and placed on alert for seek-and-destroy sweeps inside Afghanistan. The frigates and destroyers escorting the three US carrier battlegroups in the Arabian Sea have also been ordered to prepare to intercept, board and search any commercial ships in the area suspected of carrying wanted members of either Taliban or al Qaeda. Similar exclusion zones were set up in the Persian Gulf to halt supplies to Iraq in 1991 and in the Adriatic to prevent arms and oil smuggling to Yugoslavia in 1999. On land, US commandos and air force reconnaissance units are using a range of revolutionary sensors for the first time under combat conditions. They include magnetic anomaly detectors designed originally to track submerged nuclear submarines by homing in on the fluctuations in the earth's magnetic field caused by a vessel's passage through the water. This has been adapted on aircraft pods to react to the weak electrical pulse generated by wiring strung between lights in a cave or tunnel. The vibration of a generator used to power the lighting system can be picked up and the location pinpointed even beneath 100 feet of solid rock. Heat sensors mounted on a rifle can single out a human body at a range of 1.5 miles, especially in cold weather, and the presence of a vehicle at up to four miles. Even a sentry's breath in cold mountain air gives off a distinctive heat signature which can betray the location of a cave or defensive position. Other airborne sensors invented to detect chemical or biological agents in the atmosphere can analyse the pollutants from a tank's exhaust pipe and tell the operator whether it belongs to friendly or hostile forces. A US Marines' spokesman said: "Warm air stands out like a beacon in the night. We have sensors which can detect the slightest variation in temperature from up to 30 miles away. "Weapons' sights using scopes which magnify ambient star and moonlight are another war-winner. On a recent test in Virginia, it was possible to read the name tags on the uniforms of guys hiding in pitch darkness 500 yards away. Combined with heat sensors, they leave no hiding place, even through smoke or dust. "The aim is to extend the zone under surveillance well beyond our own forward troops. We are substituting information for armour. If we can see the bad guys before they see us, we don't need as much protection. Like a Wild West gunfight, war has returned to the point where the guy who aims and shoots first is likely to be the winner in a firefight." US mission planners are narrowing bin Laden's options further by concentrating bomb attacks on blocking escape exits tunnelled away from the main limestone rabbit warrens which honeycomb the mountains. Each complex can stretch beneath several square miles of rock. - Nov 23rd _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 3:43 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Ick facttor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rayburn, Russell E." > One thing I liked about Mi-Go weapons was the ick factor... > since they seem to be biological constructs (thinking here of > the electric gun and armor) > they should be slimy, have a hideous stench, wiggle around, > and do other > suitably nauseating things. If you get a chance, read "Coming from Behind" by M. John Harrison. Not a major story, but it has some wonderfully foul biomechanical imagery, including a flying machine "bloated, wobbing, like a rotting rubber ball, hovering one foot above the ground, exuding fluids and foul gas" which insectile alien conquerors urge the unfortunate protagonist to enter. I have always thought that biomechanics should be similar in physical characteristics to their parent species. In fact I rather think the Mi-Go weapons *are* sub-clades of he Mi-Go - billenially devolved slaves, not machines at all. If there is any meaningful distinction. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Greg Muir [gregmuir@adelphia.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:13 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Naked Glove Cleaner (was Danger Danger John Robinson http://www.msnbc.com/news/663537.asp It's Cancer Man and Skinner is behind him! (yeah, I know who they really are, but still . . . .) Ok, maybe a little off-topic but dammit, it's about as creepy as cthulhu so there you go. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 3:02 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Ick facttor >I have always thought that biomechanics should be similar in physical >characteristics to their parent species. In fact I rather think the >Mi-Go weapons *are* sub-clades of he Mi-Go - billenially devolved slaves, >not machines at all. If there is any meaningful distinction. Compare with the Tyranids from Warhammer 40K. J. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jessthecatasc@eircom.net Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:41 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] [News] UK security services merger > >I'm assuming PISCES is exempt from the plan... but who knows with Blair? I think that including PISCES in the Meta-Agency, with PISCES herein referred to as "The Special Section" or "the Section". It means that PISCES agents, rather than operating under the dilusion of working for MI5, will be, in a sense. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jessthecatasc@eircom.net Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:46 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: Gorgo! (Was [DG] Interesting Movie, other stuff) > I wrote a Gorgo fanfic not too long ago, which featured the death of the > elder monster by drilling platform (borrowed from "The Burrowers > Beneath"), evil government sponsored genetic experiments, the returns of > Reptilicus and the Giant Behemoth for a threeway battle in central > London, UNIT from "Doctor Who", and a whole bunch of other stuff. The > moral? Never write drunk... :-) Beh! Unless you have some MIGs (or should that be MWTB - Men With Te Black? > > I wrote a Gorgo fanfic not too long ago, which featured the death of the > > elder monster by drilling platform (borrowed from "The Burrowers > > Beneath"), evil government sponsored genetic experiments, the returns of > > Reptilicus and the Giant Behemoth for a threeway battle in central > > London, UNIT from "Doctor Who", and a whole bunch of other stuff. The > > moral? Never write drunk... :-) > > Beh! Unless you have some MIGs (or should that be MWTB - Men With Te Black? Aaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!! Reptilicus! Aaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!! Reptilicus! Believe it or not, this forgotten blockbuster was the film that opened the local parish cinema in.... oh, must have been something like 1973-1974. And pretty damn impressive it was - even if the following week's "Godzilla vs Mothra" set us straight about who was the heavyweight in the genre. I had completely forgotten about the blight of Copenhagen till now. Be seeing you. Dr Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:38 PM To: Dgrpg (E-mail) Subject: [DG] video surveillance in NYC http://www.appliedautonomy.com/isee/info.html "iSee is a web-based application charting the locations of closed-circuit television (CCTV) surveillance cameras in urban environments. With iSee, users can find routes that avoid these cameras -­ paths of least surveillance -­ allowing them to walk around their cities without fear of being "caught on tape" by unregulated security monitors." ObDG: 1) Who really put this site up? The Fate, as an explanation for how they move around the city unseen? 2) How about the cameras? Does majestic have a real-time link into all those cameras? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 3:52 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: Gorgo! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Davide Mana" > > > Aaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!! Reptilicus! Jokes, is it? It can be no coincidence that all these movies talk about something coming out of the sea and destroying the world, now can it? The original Godzilla, crude as it was, packed a punch. I know these movies have since become comical and bathetic: but that is because Cthulhu has been temporarily lulled back to sleep. Perhaps the geographic bias indicates that Japan will indeed be the first to get it when old tentacle-head stirs. If we get a revival in monster movies of this sort, a really terrifying remake, it may be a sign that something is again disturbing the dreams of men. The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Rayburn, Russell E. [RERayburn@cmhmetro.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 3:56 PM To: Dgrpg (E-mail) Subject: [DG] damn.. there goes another green box http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011128/us/weapons_cache_1.html _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jessthecatasc@eircom.net Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:24 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Re: Gorgo! > Perhaps the geographic bias indicates that Japan will indeed be the first to > get it when old tentacle-head stirs. If we get a revival in monster movies > of this sort, a really terrifying remake, it may be a sign that something is > again disturbing the dreams of men. There the Glove Cleaner goes again, being all serious... _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/