From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [michelina.ponsetto@tin.it] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:38 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The root of all evil redux Greetings. Long posts eh? You kids get started about money, you can't stop.... > > ObDG. Yes, Virginia, the world economy is a bubble, and is bursting, and > > the bubble go blown becaause it was even easier to create fake credit. But > > the manipulation of Virtual Money in essence is old, old, old. > > Well that's what I am trying to get at. Sorry if using modern incarnations >of the principle confused the issue. I think I covered that in a previous >diatribe IF you were paying attention and not trying so hard to be a party >pooper. You've got to work with me here Andy, this is email. I'm not >supposed to require extensive footnotes. ;-) Saying that Virtual Money is >old old old is supposed to make your Mythos alarms go off. When is >*anything* ancient and prehistoric in a Lovecraftian world a good thing? I'll post something more, possibly, later. At the moment I can only point out a required reading - "Q", by Luther Blissett. Amazon.uk has a copy going for "just" 20 pounds, which at least means it was translated in English. The book is set during the peasant revolts that ravaged Europe in the 16th century, and it's a spy-story pitching a professional revolutionary (a guy that's been in each and every hotspot of rebellion) and his nemesis, Q, the heretic-hunter. Both are, ultimately, pawns in a greater game. The underlying theme is power, and the apparently unavoidable process that turns all revolutions into horrors in their own right. The role of newlyborn banks and the power of money supplanting more traditional (but not inherently better) powers are also taken into account. Money as the new religion, with the sinister (and historically accurate) pact between Anton Fugger and the Roman Inquisition. All in all quite a good read, and with a few chilling details - like the reconstruction of the reign of terror in Mu:nster . Check it out if you can find a cheap copy. Davide Mana Distrusts Banks Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:15 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The root of all evil redux ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Lizard King" > > Well that's what I am trying to get at. Sorry if using modern > incarnations of the principle confused the issue. I think I > covered that in a previous diatribe IF you were paying > attention and not trying so hard to be a party > pooper. I ain't mocking. The problem for me here, and I think for many of us, is that we are dreamy techy types with no feel for money. You can say " The sort of fantastic element that makes you look at everyday things in a new way, as if the fantastic has always been there in the open but you were missing the crucial piece of information that explains it all" And I can agree: But my first reaction is then "that impulse is precisely the root of Science". And that sends me back to Science and how like the Mythos it is. Which is fine, true, and righteous, but something I've been through many times before. --- *** --- The nearest I can get to seeing money as a Mythos thing is to link it with the sort of internet/economy/Skynet thing we went over a few weeks back. --- *** --- You are thinking of something deeper: and I certainly agree that all human behaviour, including economic behaviour, is an extrapolation of monkey behaviour. But I don't see any sort of automatic scorn that derives from that. Human, animal, behaviour is not evil or sinful. That's a Christian idea. Our animal behaviour is the root of everything we think fine. Love, marriage, friendship, are a growth from the roots of, if not flinging dung, at least the sharing of food and sex in a social context. The Mythos has no root in this eating, cuddling, huddling, touching: I desire nothing better than it. But . the corruption of it by money? Ah, damn, time for another quote --- *** --- CANTO XLV Ezra Pound With Usura With usura hath no man a house of good stone each block cut smooth and well fitting that design might cover their face, with usura hath no man a painted paradise on his church wall harpes et luthes or where virgin receiveth message and halo projects from incision, with ursura seeth no man Gonzaga his heirs and his concubines no picture is made to endure nor to live with but it is made to sell and sell quickly with ursura, sin against nature, is thy bread ever more of stale rags is thy bread dry as paper, with no mountain wheat, no strong flour with usura the line grows thick with usura is no clear demarcation and no man can find site for his dwelling Stone cutter is kept from his stone weaver is kept from his loom WITH USURA wool comes not to market sheep bringeth no grain with usura Usura is a murrain, usura blunteth the needle in the the maid's hand and stoppeth the spinner's cunning. Pietro Lombardo came not by usura Duccio came not by usura nor Pier della Francesca; Zuan Bellin' not by usura nor was "La Callunia" painted. Came not by usura Angelico; came not Ambrogio Praedis, Came no church of cut stone signed: Adamo me fecit. Not by usura St. Trophime Not by usura Saint Hilaire, Usura rusteth the chisel It rusteth the craft and the craftsman It gnaweth the thread in the loom None learneth to weave gold in her pattern; Azure hath a canker by usura; cramoisi is unbroidered Emerald findeth no Memling Usura slayeth the child in the womb It stayeth the young man's courting It hath brought palsey to bed, lyeth between the young bride and her bridegroom CONTRA NATURAM They have brought whores for Eleusis Corpses are set to banquet at behest of usura. --- *** --- The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Kindred [kindred@wizard.com] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:15 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Horror Express >His Saurian Majesty wrote: > > > Kindred > > still trying to remember the name of the yeti movie in which a yeti > > infiltrates a group of yeti hunters.... > > Uh oh, I saw that thing. I think it had Forrest Tucker in it. > Quick Robin, to the IMDB! > > Yes! "The Abominable Snowman" (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0050095) As much as I'm loathe to disagree with the Lizard King about a movie, I'm afraid the IMDB has misled him. I too thought the movie I was seeking was "The Abominable Snowman". I even rented it from netflix as part of the same horror movie viewing renaissance that led me to rent "Horror Express". Alas, its a different film. The Cushing-Tucker film is interesting and vaguely creepy and unsettling (now even more so thanks to the Lizard King's revelations about Tucker) but it isnt the movie I'm trying to find. The Cushing film centers on an expedition hunting the Yeti. Hijinks ensue. The greedy bastards are made to pay and the good scientist escapes with his life and diminished SAN. Interesting film in that the yetis have vast mind control powers (perhaps they taught the Shadow while he was in Tibet) The yeti film I remember from my youth had yet another expedition hunting yeti. Mysterious "Eiger Sanction" like deaths plague the expedition. Eventually, the survivors discover that there is a traitor among them. One of their number is a Yeti who has shaved and infiltrated human society. Kinda a cool creepy idea to use in a game sometime, I think. A lot of people seem to remember this film, but not one of us can identify the damn thing. Sad, because the Lizard King was my last best hope for identifying cheesy horror flicks Kindred _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nick Brownlow [stabernide@netscape.net] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:51 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Horror Express <> Interesting to see it's written by Nigel Kneale of Quatermass fame, though... <> The best I can come up with are these two (both from www.imdb.com), neither of which sounds exactly right;- Shriek of the Mutilated (1974) "A group of college students are led by thier professor into the mountins in search of the Yeti. Each student is slowly killed of by what they beleve to be the Yeti. It turns out to be the professor and his friend,dressed up in a costume, who both belong to a cult of cannibals and use the legend of the Yeti as a lure so that one surviver can go back and say the Yeti got them." Man Beast (1956) "Connie Hayward mounts an expedition into the Himalayan Mountains looking for her brother, who has not returned from a previous trek trying to locate the Yeti, or 'Abominable Snowman'. Arriving at her brother's last-known camp Connie and her companions find only a strange old guide, Varga. They are soon attacked by gigantic Snowmen but are not half as surprised as when Vargas reveals his secret origin and the plans he has for Connie." <> Any recollection of what era it's from? B&W? Colour? Cast? cheers, Nick -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. 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Urm, what reign of terror in Munster would this be? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [michelina.ponsetto@tin.it] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 7:38 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The root of all evil redux Cheers. > > All in all quite a good read, and with a few chilling details - like the > > reconstruction of the reign of terror in Mu:nster . > >Urm, what reign of terror in Munster would this be? I relate it as it was told to me. Munster, 1534. The anabaptist crowd took the town and held it against besieging Christian forces. Money was abolished, as was private property. Resources were put in common, class distinctions were abolished. Then, some time before Easter 1534, self-styled visionary Jan Matthys from Haarlem arrived, acclaimed as the true prophet of the popular revolt. He took upon himself both political and spiritual powers. He nominated seven deacons - chosen among his followers - to administer justice. Those that did not like it - those were Dutch strangers that had not been in town during the fights - were tried and summarily executed. Poligamy was introduced. Things got downhill from there as integralism took the township in its grips. Factions waged war in the besieged city. Then the crowd acclaimed a King. The guy set himself up in full regalia, with a harem of women and an honest-to-goodness militia. Belfries and towers were torn down because nothing must defy the Almighty in the heavens. People was to be meek, nobody lifting his or her eyes to the sky when in the open. Baubles and jewelry were banned. Law was administered by three children (supposedly innocents) with right of life and death on the populace. Then the besiegers took the city and passed most by the sword. The novel is particularly harsh in the depiction of the whole degeneration in the besieged city, as seen through the eyes of a man that, for all practical purposes, is a specialist in propaganda but not a fanatic. From a Mythos point of view, the deranged court from which no power but terror is administered in the final days of the revolt is particularly Carcosean. Oh, and while the above may seem to lay the blame at the feet of the anabaptists, as usual we are dealing with one of the shadow regions in which SOMBUNAL is the key word. Screwed-up bastards with a God fixation are not to be used as a means for slandering people in good faith, as pointed out at the following URL http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/rlister/bibfund/anabap.htm I've so far failed to come up with a good link detailing the whole story. Hope this helps, and please don't flame me. At least I did not learn the little I know from Alan Moore comics (100 points to those that get the joke). Cheers! Davide Mana Torino, Italy _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Davide Mana [michelina.ponsetto@tin.it] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 7:44 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The root of all evil redux Cheers again. I wrote... >I've so far failed to come up with a good link detailing the whole story. Well, here's a chronology... http://www.warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/History/teaching/protref/RR0829.htm Instructive. Cheers. DM T,I _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jessthecatasc@eircom.net Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:06 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The root of all evil redux > I relate it as it was told to me. > Munster, 1534. Ah! That'd be the OTHER Munster, not the Province south of Me which happens to contain Kerry, His Saurian Majesty's Kingdom. - The Nuge (confused) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:22 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] what is the vibe? From: "Greg Cooksey" > it gets brought up every now and then, but i haven't been able to get a > handle on what it is. and i couldn't find abything about it at the ice > cave. some kind of meme, from what i've gathered. where can i find out > more about this element? The Vibe is what we started calling John Tyne's conception of Hastur in DG:COUNTDOWN (and the earlier Unspeakable Oath article, "The Road to Hali," which you can find online on the Tynes-Cowan Corp site if you haven't been able to get ahold of COUNTDOWN yet--it forms the core of the COUNTDOWN chapter, written quite a few years ago when Pagan was just starting out and most of the founders were still grad students). The idea is that Hastur is less an entity and more a force that pervades the universe, acting upon the brains of sentient species who receive it. "In brief, Hastur can be described as a force that has influence over the realm of insidious destruction... The vector of Hastur's influence is an infective madness that can be passed as easily through speech as through the printed page." "The Vibe" is a shorthand slang for this influence. Of course just calling it "Hastur" would be even more succinct, but then we'd get confused as to whether we were talking about the Tynes conception or the older, more traditional idea of Hastur. Since the term first surfaced (I don't know who came up with it first--could've been me, for all I know), we've played with it quite a lot. There have been ideas bandied about that there could be a Hastur Vibe and an Y'golonac Vibe, a sort of yin/yang of evil, with the Hastur Vibe expressing itself in more high-class, artsy ways, and the Vibe of the Bloated One being a bit more low-class and nasty. (At the moment, I like the idea that they're the same Vibe, just expressed differently through different people, and given different names. Y'golonac could even be an alien of minor-deity level who got caught up in the Vibe himself.) The Vibe might be what eventually led the Byakhee to become the chimeric, space-traveling servitor race that they are today, and might lead us down the same path. The Carcosans were obviously corrupted by the Vibe, and their world either became, or was devoured by, the Vibe world we call Carcosa (though Carcosa might only be a tiny, unimportant part of that world). Different alien races (with different brain structures) might receive and express the Vibe in different ways, or even be incapable of receiving it. I'm sure other list members will recall more juicy bits. Those who like the idea of Hastur as an entity have come up with compromises, that Hastur might be both the Vibe *and* a definable entity (maybe or maybe not resembling the gigantic-lizard-covered-with-condoms depicted in the original edition of Deities and Demigods..."HasturHasturHasturHastur! Aw, come on, why hasn't a Byakhee arrived yet? I only need 100 experience points to kick me up the 16th level!")--as well as a servant-boy in one of Chambers' stories, and a rather benevolent god in a Bierce story. The Vibe is not itself a meme, I think, but more like radiation. It mutates memes in the way radiation mutates diseases, sometimes producing something truly deadly, like _The King in Yellow_. The *idea* of the Vibe is an interesting study in meme-ology, though. In the early days of this list, I remember several attempts to propose DG "jargon," most of which fell flat--going extinct in the memetic version of evolution. A very few, such as "rhino" and "the Vibe," survived and flourished. We've got enough messages archived that I think a student of memetics could get a thesis paper out of analyzing how and why such terms survived or not. Dave doing this instead of his homework _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:46 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Birth of the Future Emperor? I should crosspost this to Kurotokage, but this email address isn't subscribed to Kurotokage (I've really got to kill a few of my myriad addresses one of these days--it was an interesting experiment acquiring them, but they've gotten out of control, which could lead to a thread all its own, now that I think of it). Anyway, we've previously discussed here various ideas having to do with the Japanese royal line and possible Mythos connections (as both good guys and bad guys). Well, right now every news channel is showing the line of limosines taking Princess Masako to the hospital to give birth (finally) to what may or may not be the heir (2nd in line after Crown Prince Naruhito, Masako's husband) to the Chrysanthemum Throne. The public has so far been kept in the dark as to whether the babe is male or female; if the latter, there could be a constitutional crisis, as the law doesn't allow a woman to inherit the throne. (This might also have been a preventative measure regarding an evil Dreamlands god/witch who would find it too easy to possess females and thus take over Japan and then the world. Obviously.) In between showing Masako smiling and waving out the window of her limo (she certainly is calm and collected for someone in labor) over and over, the media are obsessing over the tiniest details of her hospital room and such. It'll probably be non-stop until the baby is born, and for some time after that. Anyway, just an update on earlier threads. Don't know yet whether it will come to anything DG-related. Pace in terra, Dave donate: http://www.redcross.org/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:32 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Horror Express ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Brownlow" > Man Beast (1956) > > "Connie Hayward mounts an expedition into the Himalayan Mountains looking for her brother, who has not returned from a previous trek trying to locate the Yeti, or 'Abominable Snowman'. Arriving at her brother's last-known camp Connie and her companions find only a strange old guide, Varga. They are soon attacked by gigantic Snowmen but are not half as surprised as when Vargas reveals his secret origin and the plans he has for Connie." > > <> > > Any recollection of what era it's from? B&W? Colour? Cast? Well, I saw it on a B&W TV back when color sets were newfangled, so who knows what the original was. I nominate "Man Beast" as the best candidate since it has Vargas revealing his secret origin, and it's called "Man Beast." IIRC, the origin was revealed by unzipping his shirt to show he was covered in white fur. Three guesses what his secret plans were for Connie. See Connie? You should have stayed in that expedition with Forrest Tucker. Dammit, it must have been Yeti Month on Sci-Fi Theater, or all movies that spend a lot of time with people in parkas eventually blend into each other. Now turn off the sound and watch the Yeti episode of "Jonny Quest." Pretend Race Bannon is a Yeti hybrid who waxes, and try not to dwell on the rumors about Dr. Quest. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:35 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The root of all evil redux ----- Original Message ----- From: "Davide Mana" > Well, here's a chronology... > > http://www.warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/History/teaching/protref/RR0829.htm > Jeeps. I thought the Knipperdollings were an invention of Patrick O'Brien's. But my, what a juicy scenario. Combine with Logotti's "The Mystics of Muelenburg" The Glove Cleaner _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:48 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Horror Express ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Lizard King" > Now turn off the sound and watch the Yeti episode of "Jonny Quest." Pretend > Race Bannon is a Yeti hybrid who waxes, and try not to dwell on the rumors > about Dr. Quest. I'm going to pay for this, I just know it. Speaking of movies that have a lot of people in parkas... Turn off the sound and watch "Ice Station Zebra." I nominate Ernest Borgnine as the shaved Yeti. Try not to dwell on why Jim Brown glares at Patrick McGoohan so often, or why Patrick always looks so smug. Try very hard not to add Rock Hudson to any subtext. Two drinks if Gomer Pyle comes to mind at any point. We're on the honor system here, so no cheating. Mark McFadden ObDG?: Uh, Yeti hybrids. Voormis? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 11:11 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The root of all evil redux > Mu:nster . > > > >Urm, what reign of terror in Munster would this be? ah, "my" MÜNSTER/MUENSTER 55km north. at first i thought of the irish province of munster, than of munster (german tank school and main chemical warfare substances facility). if anybody needs more anabaptist material, just ask. > > Money was abolished, as was private property. > Resources were put in common, class distinctions > were abolished. well, in theorie... > Poligamy was introduced. > Things got downhill there are other turning points as well. polygami doesn´t feal that wrong when you´re on top of the picking chain. > Then the besiegers took the city and passed most by > the sword. kssss. fires and ropes and cages added variety. > From a Mythos point of view, the deranged court > from which no power but > terror is administered in the final days of the > revolt is particularly > Carcosean. yep. late middle ages and renaissance outfits ad a nice and plushy colour to the victorian parts of carcosa. festus dortmund /westphalia (more archaelogical sites per city that merkins find in a whole state. eat this...) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Ihre E-Mail noch individueller? - http://domains.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Shane Ivey [shane@revolutionsf.com] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 11:25 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Screenplay? Simon, You should contact John Tynes at rev@tccorp.com. Shane Ivey Producer, RevolutionSF http://www.revolutionsf.com/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com [mailto:owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com]On Behalf Of Simon Berman Subject: [DG] Screenplay? Hola, I was wondering if anyone here could point me in the direction of the people I need to talk to about some screenplay ideas I've been kicking around regarding Delta Green. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Berin Kinsman [deltagreen@unclebear.com] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 11:38 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Florida Mayor bans Satan http://www.sptimes.com/News/112901/Citrus/Mayor_banishes_Satan_.shtml An interesting proclamation. What struck me was the incantation-like tone of the document, and ritual aspect involved in posting it: "Northbound trucks on U.S. 19 pass one of four wooden posts erected on the roads leading into Inglis. The posts were painted with the words, Repent, Request and Resist. Each post was hollowed out and in it placed a copy of the official proclamation." What's been happening in town of Inglis, Florida, to prompt this? There's no mention as to whether Inglis is on the ocean, or further inland. Deep Ones? Grey abductions? -berin ******** http://unclebear.com/deltagreen "According to Gallup polls, only 10% of Americans say they hold a secular view of the world, while 44% believe in strict biblical creationism. Four million also believe they have been abducted by Aliens. The Economist urges [presidential] candidates to address the vital question this finding raises. Should schools teach survival courses for those threatened with alien abduction?" -- From the Economist, regarding the teaching of evolution in schools _____________________________________________________________ UNCLE BEAR: news, commentary and community for the escapist mind http://unclebear.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Shane Ivey [shane@revolutionsf.com] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 11:38 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Horror Express << ObDG?: Uh, Yeti hybrids. Voormis?>> Has anything been made of HPL's association of the mi-go with the Himalayan yeti myths? We all know the yeti are big white apes with Hit Dice of 4+4, but HPL had them as the Fungi from Yuggoth. Who's confused? And why? Shane Ivey www.revolutionsf.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com [mailto:owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com]On Behalf Of The Lizard King Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:48 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Horror Express ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Lizard King" > Now turn off the sound and watch the Yeti episode of "Jonny Quest." Pretend > Race Bannon is a Yeti hybrid who waxes, and try not to dwell on the rumors > about Dr. Quest. I'm going to pay for this, I just know it. Speaking of movies that have a lot of people in parkas... Turn off the sound and watch "Ice Station Zebra." I nominate Ernest Borgnine as the shaved Yeti. Try not to dwell on why Jim Brown glares at Patrick McGoohan so often, or why Patrick always looks so smug. Try very hard not to add Rock Hudson to any subtext. Two drinks if Gomer Pyle comes to mind at any point. We're on the honor system here, so no cheating. Mark McFadden ObDG?: Uh, Yeti hybrids. Voormis? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of J. Armstrong [te_odio001@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:19 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] White Dwarf > While you're rooting around, see if you've got the > issue with "Ghost Jackal > Kill." That adventure ruled. It was so damned ~basic~, yet left so much that one could do to expand upon it. The inclusion of Hammett and Theda Bara was truly cool as well. And the illos...Dave Carson, and one Steve Begg doing a shot of a T'ndlosi fully materialized (and presumably standing entirely still). Yeeeeow. xJAYx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Yossi Gurvitz [ygurvitz@netvision.net.il] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:23 PM To: ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* Subject: Re[2]: [DG] Taliban abandon surrender plan after 'prophetic dream' Hello ialdaloboth, Wednesday, November 21, 2001, 12:25:39 PM, you wrote: >> > Let us not forget the hazards of Prophecy: does "There will be a great >> > victory" ring any bells? >> > >>Which horrible cockup was that from? ig> The Trojan War. I believe that was the Oracle of Delphi prophesying to... ig> um... ig> shit. Someone help me out here. Croesos (not sure about the English spelling), before his war with Cyrus. He went to the Oracle, which gave him that wonderful bit of advice: "A great kingdom shall cease to exist if you cross the river." So he crossed it, and ruined his kingdom. Delphi's reputation wasn't the same since. Yours, Yossi _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:23 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: Inglis, Florida and Satanic Panic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Berin Kinsman" > What's been happening in town of Inglis, Florida, to prompt this? There's no mention as to whether Inglis is on the ocean, or further inland. Deep Ones? Grey abductions? From http://www.pe.net/~rksnow/flcountyinglis.htm "Inglis is positioned 29.03 degrees north of the equator and 82.65 degrees west of the prime meridian." "The population of Inglis is approximately 1241. The approximate number of families is 636." Quick, thirty families move to Inglis. I liked several bits from the original story, such as: "She made five copies. One was kept for her office wall, which is covered with pictures of Elvis, framed letters of thanks and a painting of the Last Supper." Elvis? Say no more. "The proclamation is not a reference to a single event, Risher explained, but an overall sense of concern. She speaks of drunken drivers, fathers who molest their daughters and people who steal from their neighbors." That's an interesting list for an overall sense of concern. "Town Clerk Sally McCranie, who signed the proclamation, offered another observation: Kids in town, she said, have taken to dressing in all black and painting their faces white, a style known as Goth." Hmmmmmm. Maybe I've stumbled on to "Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills" a few too many times on cable (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0117293 ) , but this place is looking ripe for some Satanic Panic. Of course, in the game world all of this would be true and there really would be a vast network of Satanic cults taking root in rural America, happily swapping breeders and holding arcane rituals in various outre locations. Check the West Memphis Three site at http://www.wm3.org if you want any background on the Robin Hood Hills murders and the decidedly odd circumstances surrounding the investigation and trial. The follow-up documentary is even stranger, with the father of one of the slain children performing for the cameras while simultaneously appearing to be a prime suspect that was ignored. If you haven't lived on the periphery of a witch hunt, it makes a fascinating spectacle. It isn't limited to rural locations either. I remember when the McMartin case began in Los Angeles it happened during Sweeps Week. Holy shit! There's all these local stations and affiliates scrabbling for ratings and then this case accusing a grade school of being the center of a child abuse ring pops up. Local news was leading with rumors. I mean, they'd tell you it was a rumor with no official verification, but that was the teaser headline before the commercial. News shows led with tales of covens of adults gathering children from the school for rituals and sex in local churches, businesses and even aboard planes. Playing "naked movie star" for an audience of strange adults with cameras. Teachers killing rabbits in front of the children as a threat to keep them from talking. If you'd like to see a rather entertaining treatment of the case and surrounding spectacle, check out "Indictment: The McMartin Trial" on video (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0113421 ) . I was around for the story, watching the big news and reading the small local papers that did some investigating and were consequently reporting another story entirely from the one everyone thought they knew. I'm fascinated with the phenomenon. I mean, if you know anything about Urban Legends you know that the concrete existence of Satanic cults that apparently control whole towns and have mass graves to rival the Killing Fields are a fact to thousands, maybe millions of people. They heard it from a friend, they read it in the paper, they saw something about it on TV. Even if they saw a show debunking the myths, what they will remember is the myths. You pass the tabloids at the checkout and see the frantic headlines and wonder who could possibly believe that tripe. Well, apparently enough people to sustain a booming industry. And don't think *you're* that enlightened. Even if you don't think they really exist, deep deep down you feel they *could* exist, but you're to sophisticated to fall for a bunch of Urban Legends. I mean, there are some seriously deranged people out there, but those are isolated serial killers. Except for the Manson Family, but that's different. And the Matamoros cult, but that was in Mexico. But you're fairly sure that there are no towns with a controlling subculture of Satanists performing rituals and committing murders undetected by the authorities, like they say about the Bohemian Grove. Because that couldn't really happen. That's just ludicrous. There's no way a town could be taken over like that, unless you mean like those Rajneesh people in Oregon(?) or Moonies or something. I mean, if a bunch of weirdoes like that all got together in one place, people would notice. No, if there was a vast conspiracy of child molesters and Satanists they'd have to stay scattered all over and organize over the Internet or something like the militias and White supremacists... damn. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:38 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: [DG] Taliban abandon surrender plan after 'prophetic dream' ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yossi Gurvitz" > So he crossed it, and ruined his kingdom. Delphi's reputation > wasn't the same since. That fuckin' Apollo again. I *hate* that guy. I don't know about that loss of credibility though. Look at names for companies and software and such and you'll find a lot of them are invoking Delphi like it's a good thing. I'm waiting for when the news exhorts us to celebrate a glorious Pyrrhic victory somewhere. Makes me wonder about the spin that went into turning Alexander's failure to untie a knot and hacking at it in frustration into an example of "changing the paradigm" and "thinking outside the box." ;-) Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Joseph Camp [alphonse@delta-green.com] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:35 PM To: Delta Green Subject: [DG] I'm Very Disappointed And to think you people call yourselves investigators. The following has been online since early yesterday morning. Everyone on this list should report to Andrea for retraining at 0400. http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=33&i=1829&t=1829 be seeing you, Alphonse _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:39 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Florida Mayor Bans Devil! (was: Re:) On 30 November 2001, almost a month too late (or 11 months too early) for Halloween, Berin Kinsman wrote: >Florida Mayor bans Satan >http://www.sptimes.com/News/112901/Citrus/Mayor_banishes_Satan_.shtml > >An interesting proclamation. What struck me was the incantation-like tone >of the document, and ritual aspect involved in posting it: "Northbound >trucks on U.S. 19 pass one of four wooden posts erected on the roads >leading into Inglis. The posts were painted with the words, Repent, Request >and Resist. Each post was hollowed out and in it placed a copy of the >official proclamation." > >What's been happening in town of Inglis, Florida, to prompt this? There's >no mention as to whether Inglis is on the ocean, or further inland. Deep >Ones? Grey abductions? Hmmm.... In DnD, only Clerics can banish the Forces of Darkness, and politicians are plainly of the Thief class! Of course, given the current crop of televangelists, and the numerous Priest-Kings, Patriarchs, etc. in history, a good case could be made for some split-class Thieves/Clerics, with the higher Level being in the Thief class...:) Luckily, CoC/DG (except for the D20 version?) does not concern itself with the character class of individuals!:) The ban on the Devil coming to town is likely to be only temporary, unfortunately. The Even More Evil One (he has to difference himself from Osama -- though he intends to have a talk with that man face-to-face shortly, about arrogation of titles!):) cannot afford to let such a precedent stand, even in Florida! Fortunately for the Devil, the Powers of Darkness undoubtedly have an abundance of lawyers available! (A) (Both cursed souls in Hades, and still-living lawyers who signed on the dotted line (in exchange for legal scholarships, or such) but who have some misguided idea that they can invalidate the contract when the guy with the horns and pitchfork comes by to collect...) The Devil's Advocate is likely to base his argument on US "separation of Church and State" and upon Constitutional guarantees of religious freedom, even when said freedom involves eternal damnation of souls. (The same lawyer is expected to use a similar argument in military tribunals to attempt to secure the release of captured Al-Quiada masterminds, insisting that the mass murders of 11 September were 'simply an exercise of religious freedom -- if these people worship by killing thousands, it is a legitimate religious ritual') He will argue that discrimination against Devils and Demons constitutes "racial profiling'... Luckily, the People (or a qualified agent thereof) should be able to temporarily resurrect Daniel Webster (who has a proven record of winning such cases) to argue its side in this landmark case (People vs. Hell) which will likely soon go to the US Supreme Court because of the lawyers' invocation of the Constitution! A procedural question will probably arise of whether a resurrected Daniel Webster is legally licensed to practice law in the State of Florida, but I am confident that a State which handled the recent US national election so well should be able to resolve such a matter in short order!:) It may lead at last to a full definition of the legal rights of someone brought back from the grave! (If you kill such a person, is it murder? If they demand to be returned to their eternal rest, would doing so be considered assisted suicide? What about inheritance, if a legally dead individual returns to life? Are zombies considered citizens?) However, this matter, important as it is, should not be permitted to dominate People vs. Hell. ObDG: Of course, the Florida town may just _think_ they are dealing with the Devil! It may be Alzis that they are trying to run out of town! (I know of some DG Agents who would insist that there is little if any difference...) I wonder how many people (not just lawyers) have signed a contract offered by Alzis, thinking it was simply the Devil, nothing to worry about? (B) (A) No offense intended to any lawyers on the List! The Legions of the Damned undoubtedly also include numerous members of the advertising, banking, sales, political, military, etc. professions... (B) I sometimes envision Alzis as played by Roddy MacDowell...:) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Machiavelli132@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:39 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] I'm Very Disappointed Sweet Mythos-Tainted Jehosophats! Does this mean that you'll have money to publish books at some point?! _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 6:08 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Satanic Panic It turns out that there is a great one-stop-shopping resource for stories about Satanic Panic on the West Memphis Three site. Man, if you can't see some scenario seeds in there... http://www.wm3.org/framesets/caseframe.html Here's a bit of the presentation of "cult expert" Greg Reid at a three-day workshop sponsored by the Central Texas Council of Governments Criminal Justice Division and the Temple Police Department. "As I understand, there was a witches museum in Copperas Cove up until a couple of years ago, Reid told the dozen or so people attending Saturdays workshop. Isn't Copperas Cove called the City of Five Hills or something like that? Reid then drew a pentagram on a chalkboard and pointed to the five points of the star inside the circle. Reid said the occult is not a pervasive problem in Temple and Bell County but that officials want to be ready." In the trial of Damien Echols his possession of several books by Stephen King was presented without irony as evidence of his malignant nature and interest in the occult. Don't laugh too fast, he was sentenced to death. That sequence was recorded in "Paradise Lost." Wonder what they'd make of someone with an HPL collection? Here's another snip from one of the articles: "Los Angeles psychiatrist Roland Summit, a leading proponent of ritual child-abuse theories, said the public backlash already has caused some district attorneys to shy away from prosecuting such cases. "It's poison," the Harbor / UCLA Medical Center psychiatrist said. "That is not to say the prosecutions don't occur anymore. . . . These little kid abuse cases in preschools are just not prosecutable. That's not to say it's not true. It's just hard to convince the public."" and "We need to consider that some of this may be things children are deliberately exposed to so they will sound crazy," said Kee MacFarlane, director of the Child Sexual Abuse Center at Children's Institute International in Los Angeles. MacFarlane gained fame as "the puppet lady" who used dolls and puppets to help children in the McMartin case tell their stories in the early days of the case..." I love this. If you bring up the observation that there don't seem to be many trials or convictions to back up this phenomenon that Geraldo exposed in 1987 -- "Estimates are that there are over 1 million Satanists in this country," Rivera declared. "The majority of them are linked in a highly organized, very secretive network. From small towns to large cities, they have attracted police and FBI attention to their satanic ritual child abuse, child pornography and grisly satanic murders. The odds are that this is happening in your town." -- they point out that it's low key because it's so hard to prosecute and DAs shy away. But it still happens. If you question the outlandish to unbelievable details, it's because the cultists are intentionally exposing children to outrageous scenarios so their stories will be unbelievable. Wow, and I thought I got convoluted. I gotta tell ya, my fingers are already getting itchy to work this into the DGverse. Talk about your onion layers. It's purposely made outlandish so you won't believe there are really Satanic cults all over the place killing at an industrial pace. Then you find that there really is a Satanic network, but no one will believe you. Then you find that Satanism is a second layer of disinfo to make you look ridiculous, because it's really the Cthulhu Cult. Then you find that Mythos cults cultivate ludicrous Satanic cults to provide victims for real sacrifices elsewhere. And the Cthulhu cultists have worked their way into the authorities, which prosecute outlandish cases of Satanic abuse in clumsy ways to elicit criticism of the entire ludicrous phenomenon. Who would suspect authorities that ruthlessly prosecuted "cultists" of being cultists? Wow, millions are already killing and reveling like the gods right under our noses and we don't believe it because it sounds like an Urban Legend. Incidentally, I saw an eerie scenario seed on Biography. They did a profile of John Walsh, the host of "America's Most Wanted." For those unfamiliar, it's one of the first shows to do re-enactments of crimes and ask for phone tips. John Walsh was also the father of Adam Walsh, or just plain "Adam." Adam was a child that was abducted and murdered in a gruesome manner (decapitated) which became a cause. I believe it was the case of Adam Walsh that began the custom of putting pictures of missing children on milk cartons. A major cultural icon. The Missing Children Act of 1982 is commonly referred to as "Adam's Law." Well, it turns out that the prime suspect for Adam's murder was Otis Toole. (interview with Otis at http://www.konformist.com/2000/cannibal-kid.htm, not for the squeamish but highly recommended.) "Toole: It was The Hand of Death. We were working for that cult and we'd grab little kids for the human sacrifices, grab young women for the snuff movies. We'd tie the women up and haul them to Mexico, only the ones that come out there. I liked working for The Hand of Death. They'd let me have the corpses when they were done with the films or sacrifices and I could take a prime cut. We got most on those people from Texas since it's near the border with Mexico. There were several death cults down there. I heard that a few years ago the police busted one near Matamoros. That wasn't The Hand of Death, it was a different one." Otis Toole was the partner of Henry Lee Lucas. The two inspired "Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer." Henry Lee Lucas was the first scheduled execution to be postponed (and later dropped) by George W. Bush when he was governor of Texas. Now, Henry tells tales of being sponsored by the CIA as part of a network of serial killers that hide some real sanctions within a confusing haystack of random serial killings. This brings up the "second Manson" theories and questions about the evidence in the Son of Sam killings. At http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/henrypreview.htm we find gems like: "And what of Henry's other stories, including the one about being a close friend of Jim Jones of the People's Temple? Henry has claimed on numerous occasions that it was he who personally delivered the cyanide to Jones that was used in the infamous Jonestown massacre." and ""A U.S. Navy psychologist, who claims that the Office of Naval Intelligence had taken convicted murderers from military prisons, used behavior modification techniques on them, and then relocated them in American embassies throughout the world ... The Navy psychologist was Lt. Commander Thomas Narut of the U.S. Regional Medical Center in Naples, Italy. The information was divulged at an Oslo NATO conference of 120 psychologists from the eleven nation alliance ... The Navy provided all the funding necessary, according To Narut. "Dr. Narut, in a question and answer session with reporters from many nations, revealed how the Navy was secretly programming large numbers of assassins. He said that the men he had worked with for the Navy were being prepared for commando-type operations, as well as covert operations in U.S. embassies worldwide. He described the men who went through his program as 'hit men and assassins' who could kill on command. "Careful screening of the subjects was accomplished by Navy psychologists through the military records ... and many were convicted murderers serving military prison sentences." (Harry V. Martin and David Caul "Mind Control, Napa Valley Sentinel, August-November 1991.) Man, you read this stuff and you are through the looking glass and down the rabbit hole so fast your head will spin. But boy howdy, is it ever full of scenario seeds. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David.Clements [David.Clements@astro.cf.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 6:01 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] I'm Very Disappointed On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 Machiavelli132@aol.com wrote: > Sweet Mythos-Tainted Jehosophats! Does this mean that you'll have money to > publish books at some point?! So we're about to find out what happens when the Vibe infiltrates a computer game? I thought In the Mouth of Madness made the end of the world look bad... Perhaps the End Times are truly here! Dave, who'll probably be in the queue for the release of the game.... _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 6:23 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Florida Mayor Bans Devil! (was: Re:) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Layne" > (B) I sometimes envision Alzis as played by Roddy MacDowell...:) At least it wasn't Forrest Tucker. Ba dum ching. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Shane Ivey [shane@revolutionsf.com] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 6:20 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] I'm Very Disappointed I have it on good authority that Tynes is an awful tease and that the Deliciously Great computer game, which will combine elements of... But, ah, that's classified. "Not ready to make an announcement yet," indeed. Shane Ivey www.revolutionsf.com -----Original Message----- http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=33&i=1829&t=1829 _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jessthecatasc@eircom.net Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 6:23 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] I'm Very Disappointed (poor innuendo) the Big Fella wrote: > > And to think you people call yourselves investigators. The following has > been online since early yesterday morning. Everyone on this list should > report to Andrea for retraining at 0400. Phew! Good thing Dr. Davide, Eckhard, The Glove Cleaner, Big Jules et al non-americans don't work for DG, or we'd have to go get retrained by ANDREA... I personally enjoy walking like I haven't ridden a horse all my life. Small mercy's, indeed! _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jessthecatasc@eircom.net Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 6:25 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Florida Mayor Bans Devil! (was: Re:) > > (B) I sometimes envision Alzis as played by Roddy MacDowell...:) > > At least it wasn't Forrest Tucker. Ba dum ching. perfect Stephen Alzis? Peter Williams - Apophis in StarGate SG1. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dave Farnell [superdave@jcom.home.ne.jp] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 6:38 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] I'm Very Disappointed From: "Joseph Camp" > And to think you people call yourselves investigators. The following has > been online since early yesterday morning. Everyone on this list should > report to Andrea for retraining at 0400. Hey, I have an excuse. Your morning is my bedtime! So will you stamp this note so I can get out of ANDREA's...retraining. [shudder] I haven't played a computer game other than X-Com (thanks again, Ethan Butterfield!) in a couple of years--looks like there might be one to buy coming out soon. Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 7:28 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] The 20 Year Rule I remember first hearing of the 20 Year Rule not long after the Kennedy assassination. For those unfamiliar, it tracks US presidents who died in office and notes that they happen at 20 year intervals. The list would be: William Henry Harrison - elected in 1840, assassinated (?) in 1841 Abraham Lincoln - elected in 1860, assassinated in 1865 James Garfield - elected in 1880, assassinated in 1881 William McKinley - elected in 1900, assassinated in 1901 Warren Harding - elected in 1920, assassinated in 1923 Franklin Roosevelt - elected in 1940, assassinated (?) in 1945 John Kennedy - elected in 1960, assassinated in 1963 If anyone is wondering about all the assassinations and trying to reconcile them with what they read in the history books, well, I got it from a conspiracy site. Harrison died of pneumonia one month after taking office resulting from a cold he allegedly caught during his inauguration speech. Lincoln, shot by a "lone nut" who was killed while being taken in custody. Later, a not-a-conspiracy of confederates were variously hanged and imprisoned. Lincoln was succeeded by a brand new VP that replaced the previous VP. Garfield, shot by a "lone nut." McKinley, shot by a "lone nut" then died of gangrene eight days later. Harding, died of an embolism according to the doctor in attendance that didn't perform an autopsy. The doctor died a year later during a visit from the only other witness to Harding's death, Harding's widow. Roosevelt died in bed, but they would say that wouldn't they? ;-) Kennedy, killed by a "lone nut", or maybe by the CIA, the FBI, the KGB, the Mafia, pro-Castro Cubans, anti-Castro Cubans, expatriate Nazis, or Woody Harrelson's dad. Later, while in custody the "lone nut" was killed by another "lone nut" with ties to the CIA, the FBI, the KGB, the Mafia, pro-Castro Cubans, anti-Castro Cubans, expatriate Nazis, and Woody Harrelson's dad. Then Reagan broke the run by surviving an attempt by a "lone nut" with connections to the Bush family. He wanted to get Jodie Foster's attention, just like Travis Bickle, who was based on the diaries of the "lone nut" that shot and crippled George Wallace. That'll teach him to draw attention to the Electoral College. OK, so Reagan didn't die (as far as we know, this *is* the DGML after all), but there was nonetheless an attempt on a president elected at the 20 year mark. So now we have another president elected on a 20 year interval. He's getting feisty in the Middle East. If he were to survive an assassination attempt that involved getting wounded in the head, we're beyond Nostradamus prophecies and into Apocalyptic prophecy. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Joseph Camp [alphonse@delta-green.com] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:13 PM To: Delta Green Subject: Re: [DG] I'm Very Disappointed > I haven't played a computer game other than X-Com Funny you should mention that. be seeing you, Alphonse _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bill Nichols [themaninawhitecar@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:26 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] I'm Very Disappointed Well, I for one am very happy. It will occupy the space on my hard drive right next to the CoC game, which I believe is coming out very soon. I was wondering if Pagan was going to get in on the action. Bill --- Joseph Camp wrote: > And to think you people call yourselves > investigators. The following has > been online since early yesterday morning. > Everyone on this list should > report to Andrea for retraining at 0400. > http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=33&i=1829&t=1829 > be seeing you, > Alphonse __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/