From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 6:39 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The 20 Year Rule ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arjun Roy" > whuh? i must have been sleeping through this one... > what raid? Well, before you go out on the web looking for info, you owe it to yourself to read "THE TOP TEN MEDIA ERRORS ABOUT THE SJ GAMES RAID" at http://www.sjgames.com/SS/topten.html so you'll be able to separate the chaff. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Greg Muir [gregmuir@adelphia.net] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 9:33 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] The 20 Year Rule > whuh? i must have been sleeping through this one... > what raid? > > Arjun [still sleepy after about a fifteen hour 'nap'] Years back, someone posted hush hush info to the SJG bbs or something, or maybe it was just alleged. Government comes down on them like a ton of bricks, takes computers and other documentation, holds onto them for the duration of the trial. SJG wins but it was a rather empty victory. Think the government will compensate them for lost business, defamation of reputation, etc? Right. (I'm sure you'll get a better explanation posted here shortly.) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Greg Muir [gregmuir@adelphia.net] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 9:33 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Moving from X-Com to Odium > -- quote source 3 -- > mission in the first game. When I tackled my first underwater base I gave > up. That sucker took soooo long to clear and my scouts were > finding another > 6 or 7 right after that one. Based on that I figured if I kept at it I'd > still be playing the game today. :) > -- quote end -- > > The notion was that the aliens establish and grow faster than you can > realistically hope to compete with. Sure, you can be waging a > winning war at > the beginning, but they end up overtaking you. Must. Nip. > Problem. in. Bud. > There wasn't much mentioning of buds at that point of the game. I said "Shit, I already beat the first one, lemme go check out something else." Master of Magic, now THERE was a game. :) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Greg Muir [gregmuir@adelphia.net] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 9:33 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] The 20 Year Rule > even those of us who didn't vote for him. Really. (Mark's recent mention > that someone mistook his fiction for fact made shook me up a > little. This is Don't remember hearing about that one! What was the gist of it? Someone at work see it? Had a wallpaper myself that I thought better of. Pepe Lemeau, Dictator of Darkest Canada. Here's a short Quebec an with a napoleon complex who is modeling his fascist version of Canada after the Third Reich. So here he is, in a wermacht uniform standing before a giant red flag with a white circle in the middle, an all-black maple leaf centered in said circle. Beside Lemeau, a little sign that said "Must be this tall to rule Canada." Figured "Nah, most people probably wouldn't get it. Not worth the hassle of a civil rights investigation." :) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Greg Muir [gregmuir@adelphia.net] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 9:33 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] The 20 Year Rule > > Was quite a few years ago when the FBI IIRC confused GURPS > Cyberpunk with a hacking manual. > FBI raid on SJG offices, computers taken for analysis. > SJ sued and won. > I'm not sure for the current edition but GURPS Cyberpunk 1st ed. > had a "Seized by the FBI" logo on its cover. > "And did you fuckers even READ it?" was, I am sure, his first question. :) _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Farnell [daf@fukuoka-u.ac.jp] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 6:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The 20 Year Rule From: "PM" > Was quite a few years ago when the FBI IIRC confused GURPS > Cyberpunk with a hacking manual. > FBI raid on SJG offices, computers taken for analysis. > SJ sued and won. > I'm not sure for the current edition but GURPS Cyberpunk 1st ed. > had a "Seized by the FBI" logo on its cover. For the details, go here: http://www.sjgames.com/SS/ Or for much more detail, including Bruce Sterling's account of the raid, here: http://www.eff.org/Legal/Cases/SJG/ And before anyone jumps on Patrice, yeah, yeah, it was the Secret Service, not the FBI (in fact, the FBI, when consulted by the Secret Service prior to the raid, told the SS that they had no case). Hey, even us Americans can't keep all those alphabet-soup agencies straight all the time. Dave who at the time of the raid had a class with (and the hots for) Loyd Blankenship's sister, and so got some of the insider info as it was happening _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Berin Kinsman [deltagreen@unclebear.com] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 6:53 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Shadows under Vesuvius? Hmm, I like the concept of DC's Unknown Soldier being an immortal Spartacus... DC's Phantom Stranger was once revealed to be the Wandering Jew... where does St. Gemaine play into all of this? -berin ******** http://unclebear.com/deltagreen "According to Gallup polls, only 10% of Americans say they hold a secular view of the world, while 44% believe in strict biblical creationism. Four million also believe they have been abducted by Aliens. The Economist urges [presidential] candidates to address the vital question this finding raises. Should schools teach survival courses for those threatened with alien abduction?" -- From the Economist, regarding the teaching of evolution in schools --- "The Lizard King" wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Berin Kinsman" > >> What else lies lurking, waiting patiently to be uncovered? > > I dunno, but it will probably be related to... SPARTACUS!!!! > There's no escaping! He's everywhere! He was bigger than Elvis! > > He never really died you know. Everyone that said "I am Spartacus?" They >were telling the literal truth. > That grave at Pere Lachaise? Empty. Where is Spartacus buried? He never >died. Now stop fucking around and organize. > Some say he changed his name to Keyser Soze. > I heard he worked under the codename ROSEBUD. > Some say he moved in espionage circles under the name George Kaplan, but >others say he took the codename ANDREA. > Some say they saw him disguised behind bandages as an unknown soldier. > He'll be all around in the dark. He'll be everywhere, wherever you can >look. Wherever there's a fight so hungry people can eat, he'll be there. >Wherever there's a cop beatin' up a guy, he'll be there. He'll be in the way >guys yell when they're mad. He'll be in the way kids laugh when they're >hungry and they know supper's ready and where people are eatin' the stuff >they raise and livin' in the houses they build. He'll be there, too. > >Mark McFadden >I saw him having a Pina Colada at Trader Vic's. His hair was perfect. > > > >_______________________________________ >The Delta Green Mailing List >http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ _____________________________________________________________ UNCLE BEAR: news, commentary and community for the escapist mind http://unclebear.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 7:13 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The 20 Year Rule ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Muir" > > even those of us who didn't vote for him. Really. (Mark's recent mention > > that someone mistook his fiction for fact made shook me up a > > little. This is > > Don't remember hearing about that one! What was the gist of it? Someone at > work see it? Nah. Someone did a web search on George Shufelt and the DGML archive popped up with my story. So I suppose he did a search on the archive page and got my story with it's chatty "report to Alphonse" format and didn't spot it as fiction. He seemed pretty frustrated as he wasn't sure if I was "Agent Orange" and didn't know who this "Alphonse" was. Further, I had sent it using my old AOL address so he had to wade through all the other "Mark McFadden"s in the world (I am Legion!) and got bogged down with the Army recruiter and the frat rat and the club DJ and the world's foremost authority on El Nino, not to mention that guy who makes my resume look so good with the columns in ENT. So I told him the Lizard People are real and do not appreciate his digging into things best left alone by primates, and warned him to beware of nuns. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Farnell [daf@fukuoka-u.ac.jp] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 7:07 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The 20 Year Rule From: "Greg Muir" > Years back, someone posted hush hush info to the SJG bbs or something, or > maybe it was just alleged. Just alleged. Some info about the 911 system--that couldn't have been used to do any damage, unlike the SS's claims to the contrary--was illegally copied from an AT&T computer by some hacker or another. The SS thought it had been posted to SJG's BBS, but they were wrong. Loyd (yes, that's how he spells it) Blankenship had merely contacted some people in the hacker community while doing research to write the GURPS book. He was never arrested for it, but his computer and his disks were seized and held for a long time, years I think. > SJG wins but it was a rather empty victory. Think the > government will compensate them for lost business, defamation of reputation, > etc? Right. Right. Astonishingly enough, the government *did* pay, believe it or not, to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars altogether. A lot went to the laywers (good folks who had agreed to bear the costs of the case themselves, but the judge insisted the government pay them nonetheless). SJG used the rest of the money to pay off its debts and turn its BBS into a full-scale ISP, Illuminati Online. Dave _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Arjun Roy [karna1819@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 7:34 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Shadows under Vesuvius? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com > [mailto:owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com]On Behalf Of The Lizard King > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 7:38 PM > Subject: Re: [DG] Shadows under Vesuvius? > > > > He'll be all around in the dark. He'll be everywhere, wherever you can > look. Wherever there's a fight so hungry people can eat, he'll be there. > Wherever there's a cop beatin' up a guy, he'll be there. He'll > be in the way guys yell when they're mad. He'll be in the way kids laugh when they're > hungry and they know supper's ready and where people are eatin' the stuff > they raise and livin' in the houses they build. He'll be there, too. > > Mark McFadden > I saw him having a Pina Colada at Trader Vic's. His hair was perfect. Oh my... say. you didn't grow up around the Salinas Valley, didja? Arjun [I hated him when my mom made me read that book when I was ten. It grew on me, though.] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Arjun Roy [karna1819@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 7:40 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] The 20 Year Rule > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com > [mailto:owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com]On Behalf Of David Farnell > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 8:07 PM > Subject: Re: [DG] The 20 Year Rule > > > Right. Astonishingly enough, the government *did* pay, believe > it or not, to > the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars altogether. A lot > went to the > laywers (good folks who had agreed to bear the costs of the case > themselves, > but the judge insisted the government pay them nonetheless). SJG used the > rest of the money to pay off its debts and turn its BBS into a full-scale > ISP, Illuminati Online. > > Dave I've done the reading, and I'm amazed-- SJG were only paid $50,000! The lawyers recieved $250,000 too-- but that was it. That's all they were paid, after four years? Heh. Also, I'm curious-- why wasn't this an FBI operation, instead of SS? [a little freaky. SS being a moniker for the Secret Service, and also those goose-stepping Nazis] Arjun _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Greg Muir [gregmuir@adelphia.net] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 11:46 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] The 20 Year Rule > > Right. Astonishingly enough, the government *did* pay, believe it > or not, to > the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars altogether. A lot went to the > laywers (good folks who had agreed to bear the costs of the case > themselves, > but the judge insisted the government pay them nonetheless). SJG used the > rest of the money to pay off its debts and turn its BBS into a full-scale > ISP, Illuminati Online. > Was that really enough to compensate? From what I had heard he didn't get much positive out of it at all. Then again, it was years ago when I read about this so I could be just misremembering. From what I understood it was like having your car taken in a police seizure -- you prove yourself innocent when you have your day in court, the cops saw "aw, shucks, sorry about that" and they hand you a check for the auction value of your car, generally 25% of what it's worth. Yeah, they sold your property before it was determined whether you were guilty or not. Unethical? Yes. Illegal? Not at all. God fucking bless America. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Til Eulenspiegel [til_e@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:31 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] I'm Very Disappointed -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sunday, 02 December 2001 Hey! Some of us have _lives_, y'know. Well, I don't have a life actually, but I do work long hours! And my internet provider went belly-up! And I'm in Kansas this week and next week too! (Why did Dorothy ever come back here?) And one of my cats died! And I had company! And I'm trying to get my social life in order. And I had to hold my Mom's hand while she went shopping for computers! And I'm writing a second draft of my CfB chapter! (A _second_ draft!) And... and... Aw, hell. I admit it. I bought Civilization III last month and haven't done much else since. Everything above is true, though. Really it is. [snip] > And to think you people call yourselves investigators. The > following has been online since early yesterday morning. Everyone > on this list should report to Andrea for retraining at 0400. Will she wear her stilleto heels, glasses, and rubber bodysuit? Til Eulenspiegel dugger@vss.fsi.com : duggerj1@home.com : til_e@hotmail.com "The hell it can't!" - --Sinclair Lewis. _It Can't Happen Here_ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPAqdmyjXCkSehE2kEQLkdQCfR5Q5Asa+fpQbhOeKnR77oGotkgQAoKPJ 4PGUK1CIeMiH1Hf3HOm/LP+7 =xxm2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 10:12 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] I'm Very Disappointed At 03:31 PM 12/2/2001 -0600, Til Eulenspiegel wrote: > Aw, hell. I admit it. I bought Civilization III last month >and haven't done much else since. Everything above is true, though. >Really it is. You're not alone. A month in the hospital and catching up with lost classwork have done much to put a crimp in my production schedule, but nothing has done so much to turn me into a useless slug this past month than having to spend just one more turn to find a source of Iron. ObDG: This kind of ties into some thinking I've been doing vis-a-vis Lizard King's recent posts on "the root of all evil." Before Civicrack3 turned my life into an endless blur of building temples and clearing jungle, I came across a website on the history of metallurgy in the ancient world. One interesting tidbit was that the development of metallurgy and with that the creation of industry was not for substinence (we were doing pretty okay on stone tools alone) but for luxury items. In essence, all civilization beyond base tribalism is based on the accumulation of luxury - not for survival. Maybe all of history is geared toward this, and the ultimate fate of Civilized Man is, to paraphrase Dennis Miller, some apathetic schlub with short attention span, sitting in a Lazy-Boy eating Twinkies and drinking beer with one hand on the remote to his gazillion channels of brain-dead TV and the other fitting on the pelvic attachment of his CyberWank 2.0 to have virtual sex with an anatomically-impossible cartoon. Media like Civ3 provide this kind of empty fufillment that keeps us sedate, fat, isolated and easy-picking when the GOO come calling - Virtual Life Uber Alles. Gil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of PM [mermoud@easynet.fr] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:32 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The 20 Year Rule >And before anyone jumps on Patrice, yeah, yeah, it was the Secret Service, >not the FBI (in fact, the FBI, when consulted by the Secret Service prior to >the raid, told the SS that they had no case). Hey, even us Americans can't >keep all those alphabet-soup agencies straight all the time. Sorry for the obvious mistake (I did follow the story as much as I could from here) My only excuse is it was really late and the latter night hadn't been long either. ============================================= Patrice Mermoud mermoud@easynet.fr ============================================= _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:49 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The 20 Year Rule ----- Original Message ----- From: "PM" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [DG] The 20 Year Rule > >And before anyone jumps on Patrice, yeah, yeah, it was the Secret Service, > >not the FBI (in fact, the FBI, when consulted by the Secret Service prior to > >the raid, told the SS that they had no case). Hey, even us Americans can't > >keep all those alphabet-soup agencies straight all the time. > > Sorry for the obvious mistake (I did follow the story as much as I could > from here) > My only excuse is it was really late and the latter night hadn't been long > either. Hey, if it wasn't a common mistake it wouldn't be corrected in their FAQ. For anyone unfamiliar with the nuts and bolts of property seizure in the US, Dean R. Koontz devoted a chapter or two of "Dark Rivers of the Heart" to a character who is destroyed on a whim by an evil gummint agent. Koontz is a closet Libertarian so his outrage really comes through as he tallies up all the myriad ways someone can be screwed, blued and tattooed without ever having a day in court. He had an afterword in the hardback edition that didn't make it into the paperback version where he discussed it some more. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 2:44 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Interception procedures OK, I'm off again about 9/11, but dammit there are some big questions that need asking. Now, on the day itself I remember watching CNN as they showed (over and over) the flight paths of the hijacked airliners. Now, we're not talking about planes that were headed somewhere near the final destination and were redirected a smidgen to aim at a target. They all had destinations far far away *so that* they would be filled to the gills with jet fuel, so they would produce a bigger explosion. So when they went of course, it wasn't a hair off center, it was a great big tri-state dogleg and a new drastically different heading for hundreds of miles. One of the first questions asked was why they weren't intercepted, and the answer was (essentially) that it was (of course) unexpected and unprecedented and it wasn't until after the strike on the second tower that everyone realized it was a terrorist situation. The implication of that is that fighters wouldn't scramble until it was a known terrorist situation. OK, so then the question was why weren't fighters scrambled during the hour between the second tower strike and the Pentagon strike. The answer given was a beautiful piece of dissembling. The official answer was that they wouldn't put fighters up without a plan, and the President wasn't available to give permission to down the airliners because of the yada yada to make sure he was safe. Um, I'm sorry, but the President isn't in the loop to down a plane off course in US skies. Sorry, but those plans have been mapped out long ago and it's all in The Book. And sending fighters up to scrutinize an airliner off course is not an unprecedented procedure, it is done on a *daily* basis. In fact, ever since the hijackings of the 60s the FAA is quick to send the call out to the nearest air base where pilots are *on standby* for that procedure 24/7. And military pilots are *never* hesitant to get in some air time, they will volunteer to go have a look-see just to be sure everything is copacetic. Please, don't take my word for it. Check out the FAA site at http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/AIM/Chap5/aim0506.html#5-6-4 to read the procedures before that site disappears too. Make a copy. How much tolerance does the FAA have for deviating from course? "(a) Over land, the tolerance is within plus or minus five minutes from the estimated time over a reporting point or point of penetration and within 10 NM from the centerline of an intended track over an estimated reporting point or penetration point." Now, that is how they are with non-domestic aircraft that originate from outside our borders. Profiling you might say. So how are they about domestic flights? They fall under the same guidelines, but don't trigger alarms if they are within 10 NM of their departure point. All four of those planes should have had a fighter escort before entering New York or D.C. airspace, even if there were no plans to shoot anything down. The unprecedented behavior was not just the hijackings, but the deviation from Standard Operating Procedures. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of talaphid [isa@zerg.com] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 4:29 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] I'm Very Disappointed > > Aw, hell. I admit it. I bought Civilization III last month > >and haven't done much else since. Everything above is true, though. > >Really it is. > You're not alone. A month in the hospital and catching up with lost > classwork have done much to put a crimp in my production schedule, but > nothing has done so much to turn me into a useless slug this past month > than having to spend just one more turn to find a source of Iron. I paid the Germans handsomely for coal for my rails and when the contract expired in 1920, not only didn't they desire to renew WITH GENEROUS CONCESSIONS ON MY PART, and they declared war on me. OF ALL THE OUTRAGES. Especially considering the lack of precedent. What annoys me is that despite explicitly telling my governor to never build any type of military unit, he insists that I need privateers. by the proverbial boatload. I want marketplaces and banks, libraries, eccetera. ObDG: Uhhh... uhh... oh! I know! A game that automates a nuissance into the game, reverbing the piracy meme. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jessthecatasc@eircom.net Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 5:00 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The 20 Year Rule > *loading his huntin' rifle* > 'Maaaah! I'm gonna go bag me a President! Don't wait up!' > > Hmm...now, would there be any reason for someone to pay a 'lone nut' to make an attempt on Bush's life? Would this happen to be an "Angry Loner, who had a wife and two kids"? The sort that OUTLOOK is made of? I now request His Saurian Majesty to corrupt any Song from Annie into a jaunt about Majestic-Twelve. We're waiting... - The Nuge _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of philip.ward@yestelevision.com Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 5:15 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] White Dwarf And the evidence, Marcus Rowland is indeed a beardy! http://members.tripod.com/andreas.beck/pix/dm01/02.htm Phil ********************************************************************** This e-mail (including any attachments) is intended only for the recipient(s) named above. It may contain confidential or privileged information and should not be read, copied or otherwise used or disseminated by any unauthorised person. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Yes Television (Europe) Ltd . If you are not the named recipient, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail from your system. ********************************************************************** _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of philip.ward@yestelevision.com Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 5:43 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] DG Free Stuff in the Ice Cave this should defeinitely be in the Free Downloads Section, Marcus Rowlands game of scientific romances... http://www.forgottenfutures.com/ Lots of gaslight and Vibe feeling here... ********************************************************************** This e-mail (including any attachments) is intended only for the recipient(s) named above. It may contain confidential or privileged information and should not be read, copied or otherwise used or disseminated by any unauthorised person. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Yes Television (Europe) Ltd . If you are not the named recipient, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail from your system. ********************************************************************** _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 6:09 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Sparatacus Corporal Cuckoo, maybe? If you haven't read about him, he's in a Gerald Kersh story, "Whatever Haappened to Corporal Cuckoo", about an immortal soldier with 100% regenerative abilities. Kersh was an interesting guy who produced a number of stories, many with marginal DG applicability. Harlan Ellison's favorite writer, apparently. http://harlanellison.com/kersh/ The Glove Cleaner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Berin Kinsman" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [DG] Shadows under Vesuvius? > Hmm, I like the concept of DC's Unknown Soldier being an immortal Spartacus... DC's Phantom Stranger was once revealed to be the Wandering Jew... where does St. Gemaine play into all of this? > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 6:28 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: [DG] Taliban abandon surrender plan after 'prophetic dream' Ah - thank you, Yossi : ) J. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of jon.turner [jon.turner@ntlworld.com] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 6:31 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] White Dwarf Ooh, ooh! I SAT at that table and played Diana Fighting Princess. JT ...albeit briefly... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 03 December 2001 11:14 Subject: Re: [DG] White Dwarf > > And the evidence, Marcus Rowland is indeed a beardy! > > http://members.tripod.com/andreas.beck/pix/dm01/02.htm > > Phil > > ********************************************************************** > This e-mail (including any attachments) is intended only for > the recipient(s) named above. It may contain confidential or > privileged information and should not be read, copied or > otherwise used or disseminated by any unauthorised person. > Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Yes Television > (Europe) Ltd . If you are not the named recipient, please > contact the sender and delete the e-mail from your system. > ********************************************************************** > > _______________________________________ > The Delta Green Mailing List > http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > > _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Greg Muir [gregmuir@adelphia.net] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:26 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] I'm Very Disappointed > Maybe all of history is geared toward this, and the > ultimate fate > of Civilized Man is, to paraphrase Dennis Miller, some apathetic schlub > with short attention span, sitting in a Lazy-Boy eating Twinkies and > drinking beer with one hand on the remote to his gazillion channels of > brain-dead TV and the other fitting on the pelvic attachment of his > CyberWank 2.0 to have virtual sex with an anatomically-impossible > cartoon. Media like Civ3 provide this kind of empty fufillment > that keeps > us sedate, fat, isolated and easy-picking when the GOO come calling - > Virtual Life Uber Alles. > Not everyone is so "empowered" as to be that schlub. Consider the people on the shafted end of the post-industrial economy. Back before the industrial revolution, 90 some percent of people were in agriculture, those that weren't were the professionals. Just about anybody who wanted work could get it, though it wasn't likely to be a sexy job. Along comes industrialization. "Hey, you can escape the farm life, come to the city, and make money directly for your labor! No worries about farming and harvesting, hoping this year you do good. At my factory you get your 10 cents a day, regardless!" So people flock to factories. Farming becomes industrialized as well so we've only got 2-3% needed in all agriculture. When the big industrial concerns shutdown for various reasons you have a large group of people who cannot find a way to make a living. Labor is about converting time and sweat into some other usable resource. If you are on a farm you know you can convert so much sweat and time into food. If you are in a factory you know exactly how much pay you'll get for each day of work. After the factories go, all that's left are professional level jobs and crappy minimum wage service jobs. This may be a lack of understanding of economics showing for me right here, I don't know. It just seems to me if you want to look at this from a conspiracy angle there's a flaw in the plan. People in despereate straits do desperate things, things that could become unpleasant for those in power. I can see this sort of problem as the result of blind unplanned evil, I can't see it as the result or organized evil. (Blind unplanned evil is the sort of thing that explains pollution. Yeah, it may look like every company is in collusion in a vast criminal conspiracy to pollute the planet but that is not the goal. The goal is for every company to make money, maximum money. Ravaging the environment is a byproduct of saving money since an economically friendly solution can cost more. With every company looking out for number one, it looks like they are acting as one. Maybe I don't see the picture but to me an economy seems a bit like the food chain. Little animal is eaten by bigger animal who is eaten by bigger animal -- ignoring the most negative aspects of this for the food animals, it's a reasonable system, it's a transaction of energy. But ultimately you need the plants at the bottom converting solar energy into chemical energy for animals to work off of or the whole thing collapses. A human economy strikes me the same way. People can sell twinkies and lazy-boys and SUV's to each other, they can make money off the stock market, etc, but ultiamtely there are fundamentals that need to be produced. Agricultural products, raw materials for industry, those necesities from industry like toothpaste and clothes. In the tribal economy the exchange was very even, with the cobbler making shoes for the farmer and the blacksmith repairing his plow. Now we have megacorps running these essentials and saving the surplus for themselves, the people actually involved are getting paid in table scraps. That means there is much less money for them to spend buying the goods and services that keep the rest of the economy afloat. I don't know where to get the numbers but it would seem to me that your average AMD employee would have a lower ratio of their "time x sweat" value available to trade for goods and services than your more traditional tribal farmer. Imagine the tribal farmer's situation if the king of the land took 50% of his crops. This is a little offbase from DG but not really, I think. Manipulation of the fundamentals of society is a staple of Evil Old White Men conspiracy. To better understand how things work is to better understand how they can be abused. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 7:21 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] I'm Very Disappointed (poor innuendo) > > And to think you people call yourselves investigators. Tell me about it. After months of insisting that the rumors concerning White Wolf's creating a game called "Demon: the Fallen" were just rumors - courtesy of a source who talks to WWGS developers all the time - I just found out today that the thing is, indeed, real. Oh well. I guess we can't all be right all the time. J. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 7:49 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Shadows under Vesuvius? >Hmm, I like the concept of DC's Unknown Soldier being an immortal >Spartacus... Did you catch the Unknown Soldier 4-part series that ran in DC/Vertigo a few years back? The last issue was a bit of a let down, but it was an interesting ride. J. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Bomias1@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 8:30 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The N Word In a message dated 12/1/01 3:08:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, lizardrex@charter.net writes: << Darryl Ponicsan had a scene in his novel "The Last Detail" that pointed out the quandry. "Badass" Buddusky has one of those uncomfortable white-to-black conversations with his partner "Mule" Mulhall. He describes these nuts he used to eat when he was a kid that he really liked. The only name he knows for those nuts is "nigger-toes." He'd really like to have some more of those nuts, but he hasn't seen any and he can't bring himself to ask for "nigger-toes." Mule is silent for a bit, and Badass wonders if he's crossed some invisible line. Then Mule says "I called 'em nigger-toes too." There they are in the mixed nuts bin at the supermarket, waiting to be scooped up for a festive tray of holiday snacks and decoration, and it just dawned on me that I don't know the "proper" name for those damn things either. Filberts? I guess it's a good thing I always go for the almonds. >> I've heard people refer to Brazil nuts as nigger-toes. And I can feel the strength of what you are talking about moving through me right now. I was almost powerless to resist the urge to write some caveat like "leave it to the simple fuck from Alabama to have heard people use the term nigger-toe." But there I wrote it after all. The Thug Whisperer "Back off Man! I'm a scientist." ------- Peter Venkman _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Nuge [jessthecatasc@eircom.net] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 8:41 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] I'm Very Disappointed (poor innuendo) > game called "Demon: the Fallen" were just rumors - courtesy of a source who > talks to WWGS developers all the time - I just found out today that the > thing is, indeed, real. Rather funny is the fact the man who could be described as Ireland's game Guru (though he despises such notions), Nick Huggins, wrote "Demon: the Temptation", which fits the "Book of Madness" apparantly. Perhaps he should sue? _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ACM [sarnath7@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:07 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Spartacus I know Keyser Soze was the name of a character in "The Usual Suspects", but was that based on a semi-real person? Google turned up nothing, but someone here might know. I ask because as of late I have seen the name a lot. Some say he changed his name to Keyser Soze. ACM I sitting in the room right across from him, dressed in my finest polyester. And my hair was, well... _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dan Allard [dan@jpl.nasa.gov] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:49 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The N Word > > I've heard people refer to Brazil nuts as nigger-toes. And I can feel the > strength of what you are talking about moving through me right now. I was > almost powerless to resist the urge to write some caveat like "leave it to > the simple fuck from Alabama to have heard people use the term nigger-toe." > But there I wrote it after all. > The Thug Whisperer This is completely bizarre. (Then again this *is* the DG mailing list). I heard that term for the first time in my life last night, my wife was eating from a bowl of mixed nuts, picked one out and told me that her often racist Mexican grandfather referred to those nuts as "nigger-toes". I commented on how that befit his typically "sensitive" nature. And here it is, being discussed on the DG mailing list today. It frightens me that any part of my "normal" life is synchronous with the DG list... dan _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andrew John Farrow [andrew.j.farrow@btinternet.com] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 2:06 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] dastardly hybrid clone experiments http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_462557.html yikes , farnel san please investigate and report back . is this legitimate medical research or a cover for some foul cultist activity ? yours - AJ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 2:22 PM To: DGML Subject: [DG] Bureaucracy: The Enemy Within. A sub-plot every Delta Green Agent should deal with at some point is Creeping Dilbertism. Bureaucratic nonsense, stonewalling and general assholery from the people supposedly on your side can turn a run-of-the-mill rudimentary scenario into a memorable excursion into conspiracy horror. Any of the myriad organizations that make up the labyrinthian federal bureaucracy of the United States is vulnerable to this sort of challenge. FBI Agents investigating Delta Green matters generally do not have to worry about their superiors, ADAM and others in the Bureau's Administration keep the lid clamped down on people like Deputy Director Kirsch on the X-Files. However, the Justice Department's Office of Professional Responsibility cannot be so easily dismissed. Case in point: in his semi-autobiographical book MINDHUNTER, John Douglas (one of the Bureau's pioneering Criminal Profilers) reveals that making general statements to the press can be grounds for official censure by the OPR. Careers are damaged, investigations ruined, and lives placed at risk, all because the OPR does what it's supposed to do. At the risk of sounding redundant, the OPR is essentially a bunch of lawyers that fuck with people for a living. In particular, their prey is US Attorneys and Federal Law Enforcement Officers who engage in questionable or suspicious behavior. The official line is that they investigate "allegations of misconduct". They are an ideal "sledgehammer of plot" for Case Officers to smash Cowboy Operations with. Needless to say, if Delta Green is to succeed in reestablishing itself as an official government program in the wake of the Sept 11th attacks, then the OPR must be coopted or suborned... brought into the conspiracy so to speak. The best way to do this would be to bring the US Atty. General into the picture. It would seem that Janet Reno was in on the secret, given the Waco Incident. It remains to be seen whether or not current AG John Ashcroft would make a good friendly. The sub-plot of bureaucratic misadventure could easily become the greatest threat to Delta Green's overall goals. http://www.usdoj.gov/opr/index.html ******* Another bureaucratic foil can be the Naval Criminal Investigative Service. Although Delta Green has a strong ally in the Office of Naval Intelligence, they are of little help when dealing with the so-called "Admiral's Gestapo". Richard Marcinko, former US NAVY SEAL captain, provides a good sampling of their activities and how a protagonist can foil them in his Rogue Warrior series of books. The TV movie "A Glimpse of Hell" had an excellent example of how the NIS operates. In 1989, the Battleship USS Iowa was in the midst of a battle for survival. It was the last gasp of the Big Gun navy, and the supporters of an all-missile navy were growing. Driven by the need to show how Naval Artillery could still be effective in the face of new technologies, gunnery officers pushed their turrets to the limit, using experimental powder and innovative (but untested) firing techniques. The result was disaster. An explosion tore Turret 2 of the USS Iowa apart, ending the lives of 47 of it's sailors. The NIS moved swiftly, blaming the incident on sabotage, suggesting that the explosion was the result of a homosexual Gunners Mate distraught over the end of a homosexual affair. It was largely considered by many that the NIS used media manipulation to distract the public from the technical failings of a navy in transition. Essentially the NCIS does the same thing that the OPR does, only they use Navy Lawyers to do it, and they do it to Navy Officers and Sailors that somehow offend some admiral or other (including other admirals). Note that they are NOT the military police, as this duty is generally conducted by Naval Security Detachments or USMC Security Battalions. Originally part of the Office of Naval Intelligence, the NIS broke away gradually, eventually becoming an Echelon II command. In 1992 they changed their name from the Naval Investigative Service to the Naval Criminal Investigative Service. http://www.ncis.navy.mil/ Other branches of the military service have equivalents to the NCIS, but they don't seem to have a "witch hunt" reputation like the NIS-cum-NCIS has. US Army Military Police and the US Army Criminal Investigation Division, The USAF Security Forces and the Office of Special Investigations, are generally uninvolved in backbiting, infighting and all around assholery. These organizations make better sources for Delta Green agents and friendlies. The Air Force OSI comes off looking like the most competant organization in the seminal computer espionage book "The Cuckoo's Egg". OSI also provides an alternate inroad into the depths of MAJESTIC besides the Office of Naval Intelligence. The Man in Black suggests substituting the Judge Advocate General's office for the NCIS as a non-naval military bureaucratic foil. Note that each branch of the Armed Forces maintains it's own corp of these lawyers. If your players watch the television program JAG, they might expect the folks from the Judge Advocate General's office to give them a fair shake, they may even expect to recruit them as DG Friendlies. Unpleasantly surprising such characters with a thorough vicious reaming by military lawyers is something that should warm the heart of every DG Case Officer. ******* Delta Green Agents involved with the Intelligence Community need to worry about the National Security Council's Intellegence Oversight Board (IOB). The IOB is a standing committee of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board. Keep in mind that the majority of agencies involved in espionage are not cleared for domestic operations. Even the NSA supposedly only monitors international calls with it's CARNIVORE/FILTER type systems. The CIA cannot conduct domestic operations. This is prohibited by law, and CIA officers conducting operations inside the borders of the United States can be convicted and imprisoned, or at the very least, removed from their duties. The IOB exists to prevent this sort of thing, as well as looking into allegations of fraud, dealing with drug dealers, and using CIA front companies to enrich oneself at taxpayer expense. Delta Green does all these things and more, in order to finance it's shadow war on the Mythos. It would seem that the IOB would have noticed at one point or another, but have been coopted into the Old Boy Network by ALPHONSE and his contacts. A friendly on the IOB would be a necessity for Delta Green's continued existence. However, should our man on the IOB retire, DG's black budget will be jeopardized. This is as good a place as any to discuss the office politics of the CIA. The CIA is divided into two rival camps. The Directorate of Operations (where spies and Case Officers live) and the Directorate of Intelligence (where eggheads and Intelligence Analysts live). DO conducts your typical intelligence gathering operations, they go out and do a lot of dirty tricks, recruit agents, and overthrow unsuspecting regimes. DI is an intelligence consumer, they pour over all sorts of classified and unclassified data and try to make some sense of it. The two camps, for lack of a better term, hate each other with an absolute passion. The Operations folks think the DI is a collection of Ivory Tower congential idiots incapable of producing results. Intelligence folks think the Operators are a collection of Snake Eating James Bond wannabes who come up with idiocy like poisoning Fidel Castro's cigar. They are of course, both right. Currently, the CIA and the Intelligence Community of the United States as a whole is undergoing a transformation. During the Clinton-Gore years, a process of distancing the United States from the disreputable sources that are the bread and butter of human intelligence was begun. This over-reliance on technical collection began much earlier, but reached it's pinnacle with the policies of the Clinton administration. Under the latest POTUS, George Bush, the emphasis on HUMINT is much stronger. This was given a serious impetus by the events of September 11th. The aggressive recruitment of spy rings and agents is now underway. In the world of Delta Green, this is both a bonanza and a disaster waiting to happen. Delta Green is now in a position to gather information on international mythos cults, especially ones with a terrorist bent such as the Black Brotherhood and the Karotechia. Unfortunately, it also opens the possibility that many mythos sorcerers will become agents of the US Intelligence Community. This difficulty has been a minor problem in the past, with individuals like Skoptsi troubleshooter Fedor Berezhkov. Unless Delta Green gains some sort of offical standing, the only recourse is assassination. This brings us to ALPHONSE, who seems to embody the best elements of both CIA Directorates. He was with OSS and CIG before it became CIA, having worked for Delta Green for the majority of his Intelligence Career. ALPHONSE organizes operations and analyzes data, as well as providing logistical support to cells in need of supply. The problem with ALPHONSE is a significant one. He plans to have his memories consumed by Agent NANCY, but this MIB doesn't think that feeding a ghoul all sorts of Mythos Information is such a good idea. What needs to occur is a smooth transition of ALPHONSE's duties. This is especially critical now that ADAM has been compromised by the Karotechia. I think the key is to divide ALPHONSE's duties to various cell's, essentially reorganizing the upper hierarchy of Delta Green to meet the goal of eventual reinstatement as an offical organization. One Cell should be devoted to recruitment of highly placed Agents and Friendlies, and long-term management of Delta Green's covert resources. Another should be concerned with pure operational support, logistics and bureaucratic cover-ups. A third cell should shoulder the responsibility of analyzing data gathered from Delta Green operations and trying to come up with an idea of the bigger picture. A fourth cell would be concerned with organizational security and psychology, mostly to make sure the Analysis group don't lose their marbles and go bonkers. This adds a lot of non-shooters to the mix, which is an unfortunate side effect of the overall goal of reinstatement as an official organization. If Delta Green is to become less of an outlaw group of rogues operating on the fringes of society, and return to a fully funded black operation, the hassles of bureaucracy must be faced and overcome. An official Delta Green will not be a lean core group of operators. It's quite possible that ALPHONSE's removal as nominal head of Delta Green will result in the IOB becoming an unfriendly source of compromise for Delta Green. It's almost a certainty that the IOB was instrumental in the Senate Investigation that shut down Delta Green. However, if Delta Green can recruit member's of the IOB as friendlies, then it would become possible to shatter Majestic by way of Senate Investigation Committee. This becomes a certainty if Delta Green regains offical status and manufactures a scandal for Majestic that forces the United States government to disband them. http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/facttell/exeover.htm This would only occur after a long and tumultous political war with Majestic. The basic strategy for such a war would be to support Gavin Ross (MJ-3) in his efforts to replace alien-friendly members of the Majestic Steering Comittee. I forsee serious difficulties for such an endeavor. The Mi-Go will likely be exposed to the Steering Committee, driving their more unstable members over the edge. Their Grey deception will falter, and even their "harvest" story will be exposed as a lie to the more humanocentric members of the comittee. The opening battle of the war would be to place Admiral Harley Patton of the Office of Naval Intelligence into the Majestic-10 seat. MJ-10 SIDEKICK deals with gathering intelligence on alien activieties in allied nations. With a Delta Green friendly in charge of SIDEKICK, Delta Green will be allowed to take on a more international role. This seems like an ideal situation. The problem with exposure of the Mi-Go is that they will undoubtedly take steps to gain a more significant stranglehold over members of the Majestic Steering Committee, possibly going so far as to use biological controls on members, replace them with clones, or worse, with alien imposters. It is also possible that select members of Majestic will be recruited into full blown Mythos worship. The growing influence of Yuggoth will undoubtedly make it clear to Gavin Ross, Adolph Lepus, and Delta Green that Majestic must be shut down, or even purged in order to safeguard the human species. Once this is obvious to all, then an incident can be staged to bring in the IOB and ultimately, a Senate Investigation. The result will be a newly formed Delta Green, and a disbanded Majestic. The GREY WAR will be won with more than a few well placed bullets, it will be won in the political arena. Such a victory will open up a new era for Delta Green, and provide vistas for vast anti-mythos activity on a previously unthinkable scope. This raising of the stakes comes just as the ENDTIMES approaches. And greater challenges yet await this supposed new incarnation of Delta Green. With their primary human allies crushed, the Mi-Go will turn to other sources to continue their exploitation of humanity. Nyarlathotep will be waiting for just such an opportunity. The many organizations linked together by the Cult of Transcendance will provide the Mi-Go with an international brotherhood of mythos worshippers ready to make exactly the sort of Devil's Bargains that the Mi-Go require. While not as impressive as the treaties and trillion dollar budget that Majestic has. The international scope of TRANSCENDENCE should make up for the loss of military and intelligence community resources that Majestic currently provides to the Greys. Meanwhile, the administrative portion of the newly reconstituted Delta Green will undoubtedly be overseeing the dismantling of the Majestic infrastructure, and the reapportionment of all the Black Projects under Majestic's umbrella. This process will resemble one of Stalin's Purges, especially if ruthless people like Gavin Ross and Adolph Lepus are involved. Some Majestic Sub-Projects will have to be shut down with extreme prejudice, while others (like OUTLOOK) can be turned against the mythos. For example, OUTLOOK's stress cascade models are perfect for destroying mythos cults. The trick for Delta Green is to determine which sub-projects can be used against the mythos, and which cannot. Restraining a murderous psychopath like Lepus will be the greatest challenge here. In conclusion, the sub-plot of Bureaucratic Misadventure can be used for comic relief, as a foil for over-eager cowboy operators, as a roleplaying challenge, and as a outlet for the transformation of Delta Green into a 21st Century group of global policemen. The ups and downs of including such a thread into DG games can provide rich reward to Case Officers and Agents alike. ******* NEXT UP: The terrible secrets of the Seventh Chemical are finally revealed in: SPIRAL CHALICE: THE ANTARCTIC CONSPIRACY. The Man in Black is : writing memos about you. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [The 7th Chemical] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 4:02 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Bureaucracy: The Enemy Within. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Man in Black" > An explosion tore Turret 2 of the USS Iowa > apart, ending the lives of 47 of it's sailors. The NIS moved swiftly, > blaming the incident on sabotage, suggesting that the explosion was the > result of a homosexual Gunners Mate distraught over the end of a > homosexual affair. It was largely considered by many that the NIS used > media manipulation to distract the public from the technical failings of > a navy in transition. "Conduct Unbecoming" by Randy Shilts (ISBN: 5551973522 ) looks into the case. Following the previous chapters dealing with the methods of the NIS, you get the impression that their answer to anything untoward in the US Navy is a vast conspiracy of preverts. General "Bat" Guano: I think you're some kind of deviated prevert. I think General Ripper found out about your preversion, and that you were organizing some kind of mutiny of preverts. No kidding, prior to the USS Iowa explosion the NIS appeared to spend most of their time keeping a close eye on Navy women's softball teams for any indication of preversion. In the usual fashion everyone was considered to be guilty until proven innocent. I mean, c'mon, women -- softball, it's a given, we just haven't caught them at it yet. In an eerie parallel to the Inquisition, every crime was seen as a manifestation of homosexuality. All questioning about any crime always had a few "homo" questions. Plea bargaining would get Kafkaesque, with someone picked up for theft eventually confessing to "the sin that dare not speak it's name" and providing a list preverts on the base, or a cabal aboard ship. The methods NIS used lead the Netherlands to extend political asylum to sailors under investigation by the NIS, and that wasn't with any trigger like a turret explosion, that was just SOP. If you want to include the MiB's organizational Dilbertism to your games, keep that part of the profile in mind. Your PCs might be prepared to come up with alibis and explanations for behavior connected with a Night at the Opera, but are they prepared to be interrogated by the Spanish Inquisition looking for the sins of Sodom? Well of course not, no one expects... Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/