From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:52 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: german nitpicking department Re: [DG] Psychic Warfare for Delta Green (PART ONE) --- The Man in Black schrieb: > Psychic Warfare for Delta Green by the MAN > scientist named Dr. Williem most probably Wilhelm > > This led the Nazis to the irrationally belief that > the device only > worked on those with a specific racial and genetic > heritage somehow i like this. fits exactly in the unempirical irrationality of nazi science. > linked to Atlantis and Ultima Thule. > the allies at Castle > Wevelsburg. my problems with using the weWelsburg have been explained on the dgww2 list. by the way, the number of jewish inmates in wewelsburg kz was neglectable. i don´t think you like the idea of jehovas witness vrilfolk. i proposed to use a alpine fortress that might be much better adaptable to any mad scientist: > "Festung Nauders" guarding the southwestern passes to tirol is austrian, a ugly mix of castle, barracks > and victorian bunker and it would be occupiable by a ww2 german > agency, being conveniently near to the swiss and italian border. > > festus __________________________________________________________________ Nokia 5510. Verrücktes Design! Toller Sound! Entdecke und gewinne es auf http://de.promotions.yahoo.com/nokia/ Gewinnspiel endet am 16. Dezember 2001. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Berin Kinsman [deltagreen@unclebear.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 11:09 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG In, Majestic Out --- "The Man in Black" wrote: >Majestic isn't the conspiracy. They ARE the Government. Delta Green is >the conpiracy. Also, Ashcroft is the man in charge of the Justice Dept. >The Office of Homeland Security is a White House run by Tom Ridge. It >really doesn't have any prior american equivalent. > >http://www.whitehouse.gov/homeland/ What I meant (pardon my misspeaking) is that if Little George hasn't been made aware of MJ12, a paranoid spin could be worked -- what are they keeping from the President? What are they up to that he hasn't been included on the "need to know" basis. They're not a conspiracy, but could be painted as such to those outside the loop. Also, my understanding is that Ashcroft was a key component in recommending the creation of Homeland. I'm working from the angle of DG working Ashcroft, since he's been a much more public face than Ridge so far. Ridge might also "owe" Ashcroft for his appointment, and be open to what Ashcroft has to say. This gives DG at least one degree of separation in case MJ12 starts sniffing. >>You also show him information about the Necronomicon, written hundreds >of years ago by a "mad Arab", and true or not, you draw parallels >between al Qaeda and a Mythos cult. It's a tough sell, but if you can >convince him... >If you take my position that the Karotechia used their arab bauer to >orchestrate the first of their mass sacrifices, with others on the way >(all of which having been prevented by Delta Green and it's allies thus >far of course) then it becomes a lot easier to establish an anti-occult >group within the Office of Homeland Security. All you have to do is >obtain evidence against the Karotechia. True enough. I'm still obsessed with hooking the middle east into this, though. It'll probably be my downfall. >This is exactly my plan for Delta Green over the next decade. I'm too humble to consider myself a great mind, but honored that I'm working along the same lines as your great mind. -b. _____________________________________________________________ UNCLE BEAR: news, commentary and community for the escapist mind http://unclebear.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 12:08 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Psychic Warfare for Delta Green (PART ONE) At 09:23 AM 12/9/2001 -1000, The Man in Black wrote: >By 1945, there were three Vril Ubermensch ready to fight against the >allies at Castle >Wevelsburg. Their fate remains unknown. The Vril researchers of the >Karotechia informed the fuhrer that they were ready to begin the >manufacture of an unstoppable army of gods, a new German Pantheon. Sounds like GODLIKE - just replace the Tillinghast Resonator with a Goldberg machine and the basis of the Vril Ubermensch's Talents not really being "Vril" but their belief in Vril. The only issues I have with the material are the use of the Jewish prisoners and the Vril mythology. The Vril stuff is the same hangup I had with Adam Crossingham's use of THE MORNING OF THE MAGICIANS in his writeup for the Black Dragon Society in CTHULHU LIVE:DELTA GREEN - it's pulpy Chariots of the Gods New Age section bad fictional crap. What Adam does with it in his writeup is good, and so is this - I would just not want to use the term "Vril." The Karotechia is the most pulpy and (maybe) the most overdone part of DELTA GREEN. The players in my campaign just got a whiff of them yesterday and immediately groaned. It takes work to make the Karotechia fresh, and throwing in stuff like "Vril" doesn't help. But that's mostly a personal hangup. More problematic is the use of the Jewish prisoners. The Karotechia using the Resonator to foster psychic powers among an Aryan elite is spot-on. Check out the bio I put up on Karl Maria Wiligut on the DG WWII website - this was exactly what Himmler's official Aryan mystic believed had been lost through the proto-Germans mixing with subhuman races (ie. Jews). But, from that warped perspective, using Jewish prisoners to rediscover the lost Aryan psychic powers would be counterproductive, because the Karotechia would believe that it was "Jewishness" that caused them to lose those powers. Now, what could make this interesting is if the Karotechia Resonator project mostly fails in attempting to foster the powers in SS men selected for solid racial profiles (but still creates a few Ubermensch), so the Karotechia scientists decide to set aside the official line and attempt the experiments on Jewish prisoners. Some of those prisoners could have been descendants of those experimented on by the K'n-yan in the 16th century, and react successfully to the Resonator. This would be promising for the Karotechia scientists, but equally damning as it's not gonna sit too well with the faithful (and maybe Himmler himself) if they find out that the lost Aryan psychic powers are being found mostly in a loosely-related group of Jews. Eisenbein and his project would be walking the razor's edge, and he wouldn't be the first Nazi scientist to end up hung by piano wire for conducting "unlawful" research. Gil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 12:39 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: german nitpicking department Re: [DG] Psychic Warfare for Delta Green (PART ONE) From: Dirk R. Festus Festerling > --- The Man in Black >schrieb: > Psychic Warfare for Delta Green by the MAN > >> scientist named Dr. Williem >most probably Wilhelm I spelled it the same way that Project RAINBOW spelled it. >> the allies at Castle >> Wevelsburg. > >my problems with using the weWelsburg have been >explained on the dgww2 list. by the way, the number of >jewish inmates in wewelsburg kz was neglectable. i >don´t think you like the idea of jehovas witness >vrilfolk. Wevelsburg wasn't the site of the Vril Research, and the three "Vril-Ya" ubermensch at the Castle were SS volunteers of pure Aryan heritage. It's basically an excuse for Delta Green to fight some Ultrahuman Nazi Supersoldiers during Operation LUNACY. The actual site of the Vril Generator was Castle WOLFENSTEIN! It was in the East Tower, adjacent to the Zombie Vats. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [SPIRAL CHALICE] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 12:52 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Psychic Warfare for Delta Green (PART ONE) From: Gil Trevizo >The only issues I have with the material are the use of the Jewish >prisoners and the Vril mythology. What's wrong with Nazi's using alien radiation to explode the heads of their experimental victims? And what else are the Nazi's going to call the Tillinghast resonator? The Nazis were nuts you know. NUTS NUTS NUTS! The Vril stuff is taken directly from the Occult literature, and it fits so well that it would be criminal not to include it. >More problematic is the use of the Jewish prisoners. The Karotechia using >the Resonator to foster psychic powers among an Aryan elite is >spot-on. Check out the bio I put up on Karl Maria Wiligut on the DG WWII >website - this was exactly what Himmler's official Aryan mystic believed >had been lost through the proto-Germans mixing with subhuman races (ie. >Jews). But, from that warped perspective, using Jewish prisoners to >rediscover the lost Aryan psychic powers would be counterproductive, >because the Karotechia would believe that it was "Jewishness" that caused >them to lose those powers. >Now, what could make this interesting is if the Karotechia Resonator >project mostly fails in attempting to foster the powers in SS men selected >for solid racial profiles (but still creates a few Ubermensch), so the >Karotechia scientists decide to set aside the official line and attempt the >experiments on Jewish prisoners. Some of those prisoners could have been >descendants of those experimented on by the K'n-yan in the 16th century, >and react successfully to the Resonator. This is exactly what happened. I still have to write up the awful fate of the Azarya family, their unusual powers, their ties to cabalism, and their capture and mistreatment at the hands of the Karotechia, why they were selected for the Vril Transformation, how the Karotechia sorcerers controlled them and so on. But even so, you can't expect Nazi science to be rational. That's the fundamental flaw in your thinking. > This would be promising for the >Karotechia scientists, but equally damning as it's not gonna sit too well >with the faithful (and maybe Himmler himself) if they find out that the >lost Aryan psychic powers are being found mostly in a loosely-related group >of Jews. Eisenbein and his project would be walking the razor's edge, and >he wouldn't be the first Nazi scientist to end up hung by piano wire for >conducting "unlawful" research. No one ever said it was easy being a Nazi Mad Scientist. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [SPIRAL CHALICE] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ElLocoToro@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 12:57 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] My mistake... In a message dated 12.10.2001 9+33+47 PM, trollboy@shoggoth.net writes: << If I where Bush, I'd be bombing France right now... >> Or Iraq. Or Afghanistan. Or Libya. Syria maybe... There's a group of huts in northern Ghana... _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:00 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG In, Majestic Out From: Eckhard Huelshoff "He's a devoted [ close to fundamentalist imho ] Christian after all!" That's just too easy, let's pull a swerve and make Ashcroft a "Lone Wolf" Servant of Cthulhu who conceals his insane insights behind a veneer of religious intolerance... then the New Delta Green would have to take him down! MUAHAAHAHAH! What a great scenario that would be! On the other hand, if you're pushing towards the GURPS CyberWorld/CthulhuPunk timeline (which I don't particularly care for), then the Satanic angle works pretty well. The New Delta Green could easily end up becoming the NERCC. I think CthulhuPunk works best as an Alternate Timeline for games that involve time-hopping. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [SPIRAL CHALICE] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ElLocoToro@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:13 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Vril For a reference point on incorporating the bizarro concept of Vril into the Mythos, see AS Glancy's An Item of Mutual Interest. Here we have what is obviously an Elder Thing city, uncovered by the Karotechia and thought to be Thule. What is key is the surprise the Nazis get when their expectations are not quite fulfilled by reality. There's no way that they expected the guardians of Thule to be tentacled monsters, and that's the way the experiments with Vril could be. They think they're tapping into Vril, as its described in occult literature, but are confronted by THE TRUTH, and then are forced to squeeze that truth into their narrow perception of the world. In short, they shape facts to fit their worldview; they do not shape their worldview to fit the facts. They think its Vril, its really not, but it MUST me Vril... Revision of facts ensues. Now, if the Tillinghast resonator's wacko beams worked EXACTLY like Vril, that would be weak. --Mark _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 2:12 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Psychic Warfare for Delta Green (PART ONE) On 10 December 2001, "The Man in Black" said: >Eisenbein and his project would be walking the razor's edge, >and > >he wouldn't be the first Nazi scientist to end up hung by piano wire >for > >conducting "unlawful" research. > > >No one ever said it was easy being a Nazi Mad Scientist. According to the "Nazi Mad Scientist's Manual (2nd Ed.)" (1942, Swastika Press, Schloss Adler; Colonel Wilhelm von Panzerkrieg, editor), the above is considered "Death Through Natural Causes" for a Nazi Mad Scientist. Other means of this type of death include: Being blown to bits by Allied bombs. Getting blown up and then falling three hundred meters onto jagged rocks after the Allied Commandos blow up your cable-car halfway to or from your mountaintop castle. Being trampled, flung against large immovable objects, torn limb from limb, or eaten, by the monster you have constructed or summoned. Being electrocuted and/or blown to smithereens, when the Allied Commandos shoot your Diabolical Machine (tm) as you are about to throw the switch. (The same sort of thing can result if the Commandos have gotten to the Diabolical Machine (tm) beforehand, and switched any two wires inside it...) Getting crushed flat under half a million tons of collapsing castle. (Ah, well, these fortresses never seem to outlast their owners, anyway...) Rushing an Allied Commando at the edge of a bottomless chasm, and going over the edge when he steps aside. (NOTE: It is very important to yell on the way down -- if you forget to do so, you must climb back up and fling yourself off again.) Being mistakedly shot by your own guards, who, of course (being Stormtroopers) weren't aiming at you. (Even if these Stormtroopers had lots of SAN when they started, they've been guarding your castle for awhile, and have seen enough to turn their beady little eyes into pinwheels...) Being disintegrated while examining an item of alien tech. ("I wonder what this _red_ button does?") Being blown up by your castle's self destruct system, as you hoped to take the OSS Agents with you in a suitably Wagnerian grand finale. (You will, of course, live just long enough to realize they were not caught in the explosion after all!) Reading one ancient tome too many, learning two dozen spells, and in the process losing 187 points of SAN... Not immediately fatal, except that it always leads the insane Nazi Mad Scientist to shout, "Nothing can hurt me! I am _invincible_!" (When a Mad Scientist of any type makes such a statement, total destruction inevitably follows...):) I'm sure there are a few others which I've left out...:) Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 2:50 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG In, Majestic Out Good Evening! The Man in Black schrieb: > From: Eckhard Huelshoff > > > "He's a devoted [ close to fundamentalist imho ] Christian after all!" > > That's just too easy, let's pull a swerve and make Ashcroft a "Lone > Wolf" Servant of Cthulhu who conceals his insane insights behind a > veneer of religious intolerance... then the New Delta Green would have > to take him down! MUAHAAHAHAH! What a great scenario that would be! > Agreed. But I think I have an even more bizarre though delightful angle: He might be a former cultist turned into a born again Christian. And if you think of how intolerant former smokers turned into non-smokers are, he might very well have turned into a terrible enemy for the mythos. Even more dangerous because of his knowledge... eckhard _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 3:14 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Nazi Scientists ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil Trevizo" > The only issues I have with the material are the use of the Jewish > prisoners and the Vril mythology. Correct analysis in a RL sense. Actually the Nazis had some great scientists, who were fine so long as they kept away from contradicting the loonier aspects of the religion. The greatest was Heisenberg, who headed their attempt to build the atom bomb. I really do not know to what extent he was simply a patriotic German who fought for his country's survival and to what extent he had sympathy with Nazi doctrines. He at one time claimed to have deliberately "stalled" the Nazi bomb effort, but there is much doubt about this. Like Von Braun, he was too important to imprison after the war. See the play "COPENHAGEN" for one take on Heisenberg's life and thoughts. --- *** --- If Heisenberg ever witnessed the proto-resonator in action he would have been deeply changed. He would have known that his entire world-picture was false, and he would have been both disturbed and exhilarated by the fact. He would have had a mind capable of understanding it (as far as any human has) and he would NOT have remained silent. Therefore, I doubt he was ever there. However, it is possible tha one of his lesser followers was present, and that this man's notes and half-mad analyses survived after the war to form the nucleus of project RAINBOW. My bet is the suicidal and unstable Otto Hahn The Glove Cleaner very good source here http://www.bullatomsci.org/issues/1992/s92/s92.goldberg.html Professor Otto Hahn, a radio-chemist from the Kaiser-Wilhelm Institute of Chemistry in Berlin-Dahlem (ultimately the Max Planck Institute), who received the 1944 Nobel Prize for Chemistry: "The most friendly of the detained professors. Has a very keen sense of humor and is full of common sense. He is definitely disposed to England and America. Has been very shattered by the announcement of the use of the atomic bomb as he feels responsible. " Professor Max von Laue, a nuclear physicist at the Kaiser-Wilhelm Institute, and the 1914 recipient of the Nobel Prize for Physics: "A shy, mild-mannered man. He cannot understand the reason for his detention as he professes to have had nothing whatever to do with uranium or the experiments at the Kaiser-Wilhelm Institute. . . . He is extremely friendly and is very well disposed to England and America." Professor Walter Gerlach, a professor from the Institute of Physics in Munich with a background in German torpedo work, who was appointed to the physics section of the Reich Research Council: "Has always been very cheerful and friendly but from his monitored conversations is open to suspicion because of his connections with the Gestapo. As the man appointed by the German government to organize the research work on uranium, he considers himself in the position of a defeated general and appeared to be contemplating suicide when the announcement [of the bombing of Hiroshima] was made." Professor Werner Heisenberg, a physics professor and director of the Kaiser-Wilhelm Institute; recipient of the 1932 Nobel Prize for Physics: "Has been very friendly and helpful ever since his detention. He has taken the announcement of the atomic bomb very well indeed and seems to be genuinely anxious to cooperate with British and American scientists." Professor Paul Hartek, a physical chemist from Hamburg and the driving force behind much of German atomic research: "A very charming personality. Appears to be interested only in his research. He has taken the announcement of the atomic bomb very philosophically and has put forward a number of theories as to how it has been done." Professor Carl F. von Weizsäcker, a theoretical physicist at the Kaiser-Wilhelm Institute: "Outwardly very friendly and appears to be genuinely cooperative. He has stated, both directly and in monitored conversations, that he was sincerely opposed to the Nazi regime and anxious not to work on an atomic bomb. Being the son of a diplomat, he is something of one himself. It is difficult to say whether he is genuinely prepared to work with England and America." Dr. Karl Wirtz, a physicist at the Berlin-Dahlem Institute: "A clever egoist. Very friendly on the surface, but cannot be trusted. He will cooperate only if it is made worth his while." Dr. Eric Bagge, a physicist at the Leipzig Institute of Theoretical Physics: "A serious and very hard-working young man. He is completely German and unlikely to cooperate." Dr. Horst Korsching, a physicist and uranium separation expert working in Berlin: "A complete enigma. On the announcement of the use of the atomic bomb he passed remarks on the lack of courage among his colleagues which nearly drove Gerlach to suicide." Dr. Kurt Diebner, the German army's expert on nuclear physics, commissioner for Norwegian heavy water production, and deputy head of the German atomic project: "Outwardly friendly but has an unpleasant personality and cannot be trusted." All of the Farm Hall detainees were released; none was charged with anything. Professors Max von Laue and Otto Hahn became fast friends during their internment and each continued long and respected academic careers. Von Laue died in 1960; Hahn in 1968. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of John Petherick [jpetheri@cyberbeach.net] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 6:32 PM To: Delta Green List Subject: [DG] Ebola Outbreak - Gabon News reports of an outbreak of Ebola in the West African nation of Gabon. (I apologize for the link, but it appears that ProMED-Mail has gone to a new format) http://www.promedmail.org/pls/askus/f?p=2400:1001:28322::NO::F2400_P1001_BAC K_PAGE,F2400_P1001_PUB_MAIL_ID:1000,16945 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ John Petherick, CIH ROH jpetheri@cyberbeach.net _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of David Rodemaker [dar@horusinc.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 6:39 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] Ebola Outbreak - Gabon I heard on NPR toiday that the 28 count possible outbreak in the Congo is more likely to be flu with a complicating bacterial infection. All of the 28 were very old (ICRC, but 70+?) or very young (5-). David > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com > [mailto:owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com]On Behalf Of John Petherick > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 6:32 PM > To: Delta Green List > Subject: [DG] Ebola Outbreak - Gabon > > > News reports of an outbreak of Ebola in the West African nation of Gabon. > (I apologize for the link, but it appears that ProMED-Mail has > gone to a new > format) > > http://www.promedmail.org/pls/askus/f?p=2400:1001:28322::NO::F2400 _P1001_BAC K_PAGE,F2400_P1001_PUB_MAIL_ID:1000,16945 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ John Petherick, CIH ROH jpetheri@cyberbeach.net _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of James Knevitt [psipsina@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 6:46 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Ebola Outbreak - Gabon > News reports of an outbreak of Ebola in the West African nation of Gabon. The problem with Ebola is the fact that the incubation and onset time is too fast. Expand the onset time to about 2 weeks, and you've got yourself one doozy of a plague. James Not a biologist but has a lot of friends who are --- "I can't beleive what a bunch of nerds we are. We're looking up money laundering in the dictionary." - Office Space _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of John Petherick [jpetheri@cyberbeach.net] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 6:53 PM To: Delta Green List Subject: [DG] Ursus Mk VI Survives !! At this moment, I am listening to a radio interview with Troy Hurtubise about the test conducted yesterday with the kodiak bear. It seems the suit survived, and so did it's wearer. People with RealAudio can hear it at http://www.radio.cbc.ca/cbcradio.ram ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ John Petherick, CIH ROH jpetheri@cyberbeach.net _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of John Petherick [jpetheri@cyberbeach.net] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 7:05 PM To: Delta Green List Subject: [DG] Ursus Mk VI --- Further Well, it seems that the suit survived handling by the bear but not with Troy Hurtubise inside. It seems that the bear handler wanted "shark grade" titanium chainmail while the Mk VI only had "meatcutter grade" mail, and he wouldn't allow actual bear /person-in-suit contact. So it's back to the drawing board and an upgrade to make the Ursus Mk VII. Here's a link to an interview conducted on CBC "As it Happens" on November 29 http://radio.cbc.ca/insite/AS_IT_HAPPENS_TORONTO/2001/11/29.html If I can find the interview on the CBC site, I will let people know. With the technician's strike / lock-out, updating the website seems to be one of the things that isn't occurring. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ John Petherick, CIH ROH jpetheri@cyberbeach.net _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 6:02 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Ursus Mk VI Survives !! And the bear? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Petherick" To: "Delta Green List" Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 12:52 AM Subject: [DG] Ursus Mk VI Survives !! > At this moment, I am listening to a radio interview with Troy Hurtubise > about the test conducted yesterday with the kodiak bear. It seems the suit > survived, and so did it's wearer. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Ethan Butterfield [primus@veris.org] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 10:04 PM To: Delta Green Mailing List Subject: [DG] Hyper-Cerebral Electrosis (was Re: MiB's awesome Karotechia stuff) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On the subject of Vril generators, Nazi experiments and GRU agents skulls exploding, I offer this piece which was forwarded by a friend[1]. It's the Weekly World News, so there you go, but it's a fun read and remarkably apropos. - --- How To Tell If Your Head's About To Blow Up >From the WEEKLY WORLD NEWS, May 24, 1994 MOSCOW -- Doctors are blaming a rare electrical imbalance in the brain for the bizarre death of a chess player whose head literally exploded in the middle of a championship game! No one else was hurt in the fatal explosion but four players and three officials at the Moscow Candidate Masters' Chess Championships were sprayed with blood and brain matter when Nikolai Titov's head suddenly blew apart. Experts say he suffered from a condition called Hyper-Cerebral Electrosis or HCE. "He was deep in concentration with his eyes focused on the board," says Titov's opponent, Vladimir Dobrynin. "All of a sudden his hands flew to his temples and he screamed in pain. Everyone looked up from their games, startled by the noise. Then, as if someone had put a bomb in his cranium, his head popped like a firecracker." Incredibly, Titiov's is not the first case in which a person's head has spontaneously exploded. Five people are known to have died of HCE in the last 25 years. The most recent death occurred just three years ago in 1991, when European psychic Barbara Nicole's skull burst. Miss Nicole's story was reported by newspapers worldwide, including WWN. "HCE is an extremely rare physical imbalance," said Dr. Anatoly Martinenko, famed neurologist and expert on the human brain who did the autopsy on the brilliant chess expert. "It is a condition in which the circuits of the brain become overloaded by the body's own electricity. The explosions happen during periods of intense mental activity when lots of current is surging through the brain. Victims are highly intelligent people with great powers of concentration. Both Miss Nicole and Mr. Titov were intense people who tended to keep those cerebral circuits overloaded. In a way it could be said they were literally too smart for their own good." Although Dr. Martinenko says there are probably many undiagnosed cases, he hastens to add that very few people will die from HCE. "Most people who have it will never know. At this point, medical science still doesn't know much about HCE. And since fatalities are so rare it will probably be years before research money becomes available." In the meantime, the doctor urges people to take it easy and not think too hard for long periods of time. "Take frequent relaxation breaks when you're doing things that take lots of mental focus," he recommends. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Although HCE is very rare, it can kill. Dr. Martinenko says knowing you have the condition can greatly improve your odds of surviving it. A "yes" answer to any three of the following seven questions could mean that you have HCE: 1.. Does your head sometimes ache when you think too hard? (Head pain can indicate overloaded brain circuits.) 2.. Do you ever hear a faint ringing or humming sound in your ears? (It could be the sound of electricity in the skull cavity.) 3.. Do you sometimes find yourself unable to get a thought out of your head? (This is a possible sign of too much electrical activity in the cerebral cortex.) 4.. Do you spend more than five hours a day reading, balancing your checkbook, or other thoughtful activity? (A common symptom of HCE is a tendency to over-use the brain.) 5.. When you get angry or frustrated do you feel pressure in your temples? (Friends of people who died of HCE say the victims often complained of head pressure in times of strong emotion.) 6.. Do you ever overeat on ice cream, doughnuts and other sweets? (A craving for sugar is typical of people with too much electrical pressure in the cranium.) 7.. Do you tend to analyze yourself too much? (HCE sufferers are often introspective, "over-thinking" their lives.) [1] For the MiB: Our mutual acquaintance. - -- "You forgot the first rule of a fanatic. When you become obsessed with the enemy, you become the enemy." - Cmdr. Jeffrey Sinclair, Babylon 5, "Infection" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8FYW/AmwSMwnpLHgRAt1aAJ9TlVXhi/9ClZGtnFamiWWD7uRROwCgjD34 mvwQcWrMFeFL4p6Qw3NRW1c= =DSs0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 1:04 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Ursus Mk VI Survives !! >And the bear? NPR reports that, after going a few rounds with the suit, Yogi is in "stable" condition at Wonderland Zoo Hospital. "It was horrible," stated witness Boo-Boo: "Yogi and I were just minding our own business when we saw a picnic basket lying in the middle of the path. I thought it was another trap from the Ranger, but Yogi just dived in, and this suit came out of nowhere to beat poor Yogi up. "I'm feeling betrayed by the government. Isn't this federal land?" However, the Ranger, who has been trying to get Yogi and Boo-Boo declared a "terrorist organization" for years, lit a havana cigar, smiled, and had no comment. The girl bear they introduced to avoid any homosexual connotations between an older and younger bear in a kids cartoon was unavailable for comment. At Wonderland Zoo, Hair Bear was said to be "understandibly upset." However, according to a source who spoke on terms of anonymity, Hair Bear is so "out of his head on chronic" that he still thinks The Greatful Dead is touring. More news as it happens! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Kindred [kindred@wizard.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:25 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] more Lovecraft rpg products Agents, anyone know anything about: HOG 405 De Profundis RPG 6.95 Based on the works of H.P. Lovecraft, this roleplaying game of psychological horror takes the players to the edge of madness, and beyond! The first Eastern European RPG ever to be translated into English, De Profundis combines stunningly original gameplay with 1920's pulp-genre writing in a sharp, stylish, self-contained 24-page format. Also, I'm surprised no one has commented on Chaosiums announced Cthulhu Pulp 1930s book which is to include secret anti-mythos societies and mad science and pulp heroes. Should be fun for post-Innsmouth-pre-WWW2 DG fun. Kindred _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 3:49 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Ursus Mk VI Survives !! thankeyew.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "ialdaloboth *genzundheit!*" > > NPR reports that, after going a few rounds with the suit, Yogi is in > "stable" condition at Wonderland Zoo Hospital. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: RevolutionSF [owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 4:10 AM To: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: BOUNCE deltagreen@revolutionsf.com: Non-member submission from [Przemyslaw Socha ] >From ps201097@zodiac.mimuw.edu.pl Tue Dec 11 04:10:25 2001 Received: from students.mimuw.edu.pl (qmailr@zodiac.mimuw.edu.pl [193.0.99.1]) by revolutionsf.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA05532 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:10:21 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 15559 invoked by uid 3298); 11 Dec 2001 10:12:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Dec 2001 10:12:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:12:21 +0100 (CET) From: Przemyslaw Socha X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [DG] more Lovecraft rpg products In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.20011211002202.00d99c20@mail.wizard.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > anyone know anything about: > > HOG 405 De Profundis RPG 6.95 Yup. It's one of polish 'New Wave' type games. It's about writing letters: kind of a play-by-mail game. You write about your Mythos experience to other players, and they write about their: something like letters in 'Whispering in the darkness'. Unfortunatelly, I don't think it can be used in DG: agents aren't supposed to share knowledge about Mythos with each other... -- Przemek Socha socha23@wp.pl From: RevolutionSF [owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 4:39 AM To: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: BOUNCE deltagreen@revolutionsf.com: Non-member submission from ["Martin Smith" ] >From martinsmith68@hotmail.com Tue Dec 11 04:38:32 2001 Received: from hotmail.com (f62.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.62]) by revolutionsf.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA09197 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:38:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 02:37:53 -0800 Received: from 213.253.32.52 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:37:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.253.32.52] From: "Martin Smith" To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: In anticipation of a financial co - existence Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:37:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2001 10:37:53.0889 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3BBBD10:01C1822F] Dear Sir, > > > >For the purpose of clarity, I am Mr. Thomas Adams a >staff member to the Central Bank of Nigeria. By the >virtue of my position >with the Central Bank >ofNigeria the former Chief Security officer to the >late >President, Gen. 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We are counting on your experience in >international business acumen to bear on this >transaction. More importantly, we shall be relying >on >you expertise concerning areas of investment at >completion of the transaction. Further areas of >business shall be discussed especially in Nigeria as >the environment is quite conducive due to democratic >government in place. > >Sir, if my proposal is acceptable to you, kindly >furnish me with your full particulars i.e your full >name and address including your tel/fax number so >that >I can file in your name as beneficiary. > >I await your reply by urgent e-mail message for >confidential purpose >Thank you in anticipation. > > >Yours truly > >Thomas Adams. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: RevolutionSF [owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 4:52 AM To: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: BOUNCE deltagreen@revolutionsf.com: Non-member submission from ["Martin Smith" ] >From martinsmith68@hotmail.com Tue Dec 11 04:52:09 2001 Received: from hotmail.com (f122.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.122]) by revolutionsf.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA11278 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:52:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 02:51:36 -0800 Received: from 213.253.32.52 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:51:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.253.32.52] From: "Martin Smith" To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: In anticipation of a financial co - existence Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:51:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2001 10:51:36.0503 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE0CAC70:01C18231] Dear Sir, > > > >For the purpose of clarity, I am Mr. Thomas Adams a >staff member to the Central Bank of Nigeria. By the >virtue of my position >with the Central Bank >ofNigeria the former Chief Security officer to the >late >President, Gen. Sanni Abacha's regime, Major >Al-Mustapha who is presently facing trial with the >present incumbent civilian government entrusted the >sum of thirty two million Dollars ($32MUSD) in my >care >and transferred to an account of a reliable and >dependable foreign partner for safe keeping to avoid >government intervention. > >I am handicapped in the circumstances, as the civil >servant code of conduct does not allow us to operate >offshore account hence my decision to solicit for >your >assistance to collect the funds on my behalf due to >aforementioned reason. > >Meanwhile, the money had been successfully >transferred >to a freight company in Europe, all that is >required >is a reliable and trustworthy person like yourself >who >we could entrust with PIN-CODE and TERMINAL DELIVERY >ORDER as a beneficiary >to the fund so that he can >go >and collect the money in cash as all modality had >been >put in place. > >Be informed that your contact and good >recommendation >from our reputable chamber of commerce, .agriculture > >and industry and through the internet had given me >enough confident to count on your status as a >reputable person to believe that you will assist us. >My cousin Mr. John Smith is presently in Europe and >will of assistance to you for the collection of the >fund. We are counting on your experience in >international business acumen to bear on this >transaction. More importantly, we shall be relying >on >you expertise concerning areas of investment at >completion of the transaction. Further areas of >business shall be discussed especially in Nigeria as >the environment is quite conducive due to democratic >government in place. > >Sir, if my proposal is acceptable to you, kindly >furnish me with your full particulars i.e your full >name and address including your tel/fax number so >that >I can file in your name as beneficiary. > >I await your reply by urgent e-mail message for >confidential purpose >Thank you in anticipation. > > >Yours truly > >Thomas Adams. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: RevolutionSF [owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 4:53 AM To: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: BOUNCE deltagreen@revolutionsf.com: Non-member submission from ["Martin Smith" ] >From martinsmith68@hotmail.com Tue Dec 11 04:52:41 2001 Received: from hotmail.com (f157.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.157]) by revolutionsf.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA11363 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:52:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 02:52:00 -0800 Received: from 213.253.32.52 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:51:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.253.32.52] From: "Martin Smith" To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: In anticipation of a financial co - existence Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:51:56 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2001 10:52:00.0077 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC19C7D0:01C18231] Dear Sir, > > > >For the purpose of clarity, I am Mr. Thomas Adams a >staff member to the Central Bank of Nigeria. By the >virtue of my position >with the Central Bank >ofNigeria the former Chief Security officer to the >late >President, Gen. Sanni Abacha's regime, Major >Al-Mustapha who is presently facing trial with the >present incumbent civilian government entrusted the >sum of thirty two million Dollars ($32MUSD) in my >care >and transferred to an account of a reliable and >dependable foreign partner for safe keeping to avoid >government intervention. > >I am handicapped in the circumstances, as the civil >servant code of conduct does not allow us to operate >offshore account hence my decision to solicit for >your >assistance to collect the funds on my behalf due to >aforementioned reason. > >Meanwhile, the money had been successfully >transferred >to a freight company in Europe, all that is >required >is a reliable and trustworthy person like yourself >who >we could entrust with PIN-CODE and TERMINAL DELIVERY >ORDER as a beneficiary >to the fund so that he can >go >and collect the money in cash as all modality had >been >put in place. > >Be informed that your contact and good >recommendation >from our reputable chamber of commerce, .agriculture > >and industry and through the internet had given me >enough confident to count on your status as a >reputable person to believe that you will assist us. >My cousin Mr. John Smith is presently in Europe and >will of assistance to you for the collection of the >fund. We are counting on your experience in >international business acumen to bear on this >transaction. More importantly, we shall be relying >on >you expertise concerning areas of investment at >completion of the transaction. Further areas of >business shall be discussed especially in Nigeria as >the environment is quite conducive due to democratic >government in place. > >Sir, if my proposal is acceptable to you, kindly >furnish me with your full particulars i.e your full >name and address including your tel/fax number so >that >I can file in your name as beneficiary. > >I await your reply by urgent e-mail message for >confidential purpose >Thank you in anticipation. > > >Yours truly > >Thomas Adams. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of James Knevitt [psipsina@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 4:57 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Hyper-Cerebral Electrosis (was Re: MiB's awesome Karotechia stuff) From: "Ethan Butterfield" : > Although HCE is very rare, it can kill. Dr. Martinenko says knowing you > have the condition can greatly improve your odds of surviving it. A "yes" > answer to any three of the following seven questions could mean that you > have HCE: I answered yes to all seven. Is that bad? :) Oh no, wait! I feel a tremendous pounding in my temples! Aaaaargh! *SBPLUT* James Typing without the aid of a cerebral cortex --- "I can't beleive what a bunch of nerds we are. We're looking up money laundering in the dictionary." - Office Space _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jussi Marttila [velcrokf@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:03 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG]: Pseudo-tradecraft resource Hello, I found this fun collection of anarchist/phreaker text files at: www.textfiles.com/anarchy/ Good resource for pseudo-tradecraft and how to harass people a la CREEP (in-game, that is). Just don't let the players survive if they build bombs using these instructions. Jussi M This E-mail dedicated to G. Gordon Liddy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of James Knevitt [psipsina@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:10 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] It begins ... Operation CIPRO Well, it's underway. Yes, that's right, it's time for more of that wonderful madness I call my new DG campaign. Starting afresh, I got two of my players together today to flesh out some agents. We ended up with a low-end-of-average Postal Inspector who's only good thing is his looks, and an FBI HRT member who's got more brains than a Russian chess champion (pre- Total Cranial Eruption or whatever it was called). The Postal Inspector's player (a long time CoC/DG player) suggested a name for our little endeavour. Operation CIPRO The mission: To investigate connections between conspiratorial groups in the American community responsible for the outbreaks of anthrax across the USA and forces of the Mythos. (I'm thinking Hastur cultists, spreading entropy.) Thoughts? Adventure seeds? Hate mail? James Living in Australia where we are NOT one of the following: 1) Governed ashamedly by the most right-wing head of state since Hitler 2) So ashamedly xenophobic that even really xenophobic people are afraid to come here 3) A nation who abduct cattle, mutilate their corpses and return them to earth --- "I can't beleive what a bunch of nerds we are. We're looking up money laundering in the dictionary." - Office Space _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Dirk R. Festus Festerling [festusdirk@yahoo.de] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:41 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Mad Scientists Scenic Showdown Guide for wartime germany (to be continued) > >No one ever said it was easy being a Nazi Mad > Scientist. conveniently near to Wewelsburg and to the rl ss mobile intervention force at Arolsen responsible for wewelsburg too there is Schloss Waldeck over Edersee http://www.schloss-waldeck.de maps and floor plans included, but let me point out the important details: > Getting blown up and then falling three hundred > meters onto jagged > rocks after the Allied Commandos blow up your > cable-car halfway to or from > your mountaintop castle. no 300 meters vertical, but at least there is a cablecar to the lakeside. > Getting crushed flat under half a million tons > of collapsing castle. > (Ah, well, these fortresses never seem to outlast > their owners, anyway...) for a bonus, the lake is artifical. there´s a whole dam to be blown up, causing mayhem to the rural valleys below. > Rushing an Allied Commando at the edge of a > bottomless chasm, and going > over the edge when he steps aside. well, no cliffs, but sufficiently high castle walls. > Being mistakedly shot by your own the arolsen reinforcements have at least an hours drive on lousy streets. they will be freezing, shaken to the bones (lousy aiming) and totally pissed off ( very angry against anyone including the resident guards) when arriving. __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Ihre E-Mail noch individueller? - http://domains.yahoo.de _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Lee Williams [leewilliams@demonground.org] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:55 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] It begins ... Operation CIPRO /lurk OFF/ ----- Original Message ----- From: James Knevitt > Thoughts? Adventure seeds? Hate mail? > > James > Living in Australia where we are NOT one of the following: > 1) Governed ashamedly by the most right-wing head of state since Hitler > 2) So ashamedly xenophobic that even really xenophobic people are afraid to > come here > 3) A nation who abduct cattle, mutilate their corpses and return them to > earth > Yeah but you do dress SIS operatives up in Yowie suits to spread false cryptid reports :-) Or is that just a touch of the good old larrikin spirit? Lee Williams Associate Editor DEMONGROUND (and born in Broken Hill NSW as it happens) /lurk ON/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 6:09 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Post-Mulder X-Files Good Morning. I know that this list an old and glorious tradition of X-files-bashing, but - even though I did not really like the last one or two seasons - I have to admit that I like the first post-Mulder-season that is aired in Germany this autumn. While it had become somehow stuck and boring before Mulder left, the arrival of Agent Dogget has - at least imho - provided the show with fresh elements. And some of these elements seem DGish to me. First of all: Agent Doggett himself! He's totally different to Mulder who was unfortunately nothing but a geek with a porn habit and a severe childhood trauma. Even his colleagues did not like him and called him "Spooky". He's been overeducated and only used the FBI for his pathological quest for his sister and what he called "the truth". In 1920s CoC he would be a dilletante, I suppose. Agent Doggett on the opposite is a 'real' investigator. A tough guy who is proud of his former career as a regular cop. It's his doubts concerning the things he is confronted with, his way to cope with the supernatural that got me to liking the X-Files once again and which catches me as being how I imagine DG Agents during their first nights at the opera. While Mulder was simply grinning sardonically telling Scully that "there are an always be things between heaven and earth that we ignorant humans blah, blah, blah", Doggett feels the need to get the monster. He's definitely less intellectual, but at least he's not just whining about how unfair the government is and how nasty those evil conspiracies are. If he had enough evidence, he would go out and kick some arse. I mean, if you were a DG-Agent, who would you prefer to have in your Cell? Mulder or Doggett? See! Yesterday they aired an episode which not only was one of the most thrilling ever, but which seemed pretty DGish to me as well. The German title was the English word "Underground", so it might very well be the original title as well. The episode was set in the Boston Subway system, where a police officer got killed in mysterious ways [ Much of his flesh seemed to have been torn from his bones ]. Agent Doggett together with three officials from Boston [ who are rather hostile to Doggett and Scully from the very beginning ] investigates in the tunnels under pressure from some guy from the Boston transportation system who desperately wants the trains to start running again. Scully stays behind, organising the investigation from a room full of monitors [ obviously because of her unborn baby ]. Anyway: In the end they find out that a weird and liquid aquatic being that sipped into the tunnel system was the reason behind several deaths. All right, the "monster" wasn't really *that* brilliant, but the atmosphere was thrilling and claustrophobic [ 4 armed people disliking each other in a dark tunnel system looking for a monster ]. And I would really had loved to see Agent Doggett stumble upon packs of Ghouls responsible for the incidents in the subway system! eckhard _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Nuge [jessthecatasc@eircom.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 6:47 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG and the New World Order > At 02:59 PM 12/9/01 -0500, ElLocoToro@aol.com wrote: > >Or that Delta Green was disbanded by by a Democratic administration. > > DG was disbanded in 1969 - Nixon. Nope: Nixon never knew of MJ-12, and odds are he didn't know about DG. So, the only places it could have been shut down are: 1) The Pentagon (assuming DG was being funded from the military budget) 2) The Congressional Sub-committee on XXX: And considering the anti-collary pattern of President to Congress & Senate, odds are it was shut down by a Democrat. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Nuge [jessthecatasc@eircom.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 6:51 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG and the New World Order > (gales of laughter) > I'll be content with, yet again, my Nuge nudge. > > OT, chum. Ok, if my grasp of left wing (well, Democrats are more left than Republicans) = less government involvement and right wing (Republicans) = more government involvement is inaccurate, please correct me. - The Nuge _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nick Brownlow [stabernide@netscape.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 7:08 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG and the New World Order <> Nuge, surely you're aware that for the last twenty odd years *at least* most mainstream right wing political parties in the West have been advocating less government involvement? The free market and all that? -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. 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