From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Nuge [jessthecatasc@eircom.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:26 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG and the New World Order > Nuge, surely you're aware that for the last twenty odd years *at least* most mainstream right wing political parties in the West have been advocating less government involvement? The free market and all that? Laissez-Fair applies to economics, not defence, security or policing. Thatcher didn't privitise the police? Maybe hospitals, rail, even the odd prison, but you do not have an OCP situation in the real world. When it comes to the police, the Right-Wing has always been the one to encourage non-transperant, politically responsible rather that public committee responsible, police. Here (yes, I can hear the moans. Bear with me) the Freedom of Information bill was introduced, as was police reforms, under Fine Gael, the Middle-left party, not Fianna Fail, the Right party (despite what they'd claim). And bitchslap me if I'm wrong, but DG is defence and security - hence kept well within the government's mantle. - The Nuge The Captain is a One-Armed Dwarf He's throwing dice along the wharf In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of William Timmins [wtimmins@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 9:04 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG and the New World Order >From: "The Nuge" >>(some political reaction) >(more political response) Are people congenitally stupid, or does 'off topic' mean something different than what most of us understand it to be? ObDG: To the tune of Auld Lang Zyne (sp): We're here because we're here because we're here because we're here... -=Will _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 9:02 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG and the New World Order At 12:47 PM 12/11/01 +0000, The Nuge wrote: >Nope: Nixon never knew of MJ-12, and odds are he didn't know about DG. I would find it really interesting how a Senate sub-committee could know about Delta Green and the most controlling president in office since FDR didn't. As for MJ-12's involvement in the disbandment of DG, I don't recall there being any explicitly-stated, but I could be wrong. Anyways, Mark just stated that DG was shut down *during* a Democratic administration, and I was just being a smart-ass. At 08:07 AM 12/11/01 -0500, Nick Brownlow wrote: ><Republicans) = less government involvement and right wing (Republicans) = >more government involvement is inaccurate, please correct me.>> > >Nuge, surely you're aware that for the last twenty odd years *at least* >most mainstream right wing political parties in the West have been >advocating less government involvement? The free market and all that? And Democrats were responsible for the huge government involvement brought on by the Great Society. Also, in the past decade, the Democrats have been responsible for major pro-law enforcement funding ("get tough on crime" has become an equal opportunity straw man for both parties). And isolationism was one of the Shrub's major campaign points during the "election." There is an popular suspicion that the Democrats are antagonistic to the intelligence community and vice-versa, and the Republicans love their spies; but, in fact, the only time I can remember there ever being a truly hostile relationship to the community is during the '70s. And that was less the difference between Democrats and Republicans than the fact that the intelligence apparatus had simply become a rogue elephant and needed to be taken down a notch. It's a shame that the CIA still hasn't recovered from the "leadership" of Stansfield Turner during the Carter Administration, but it's not like they didn't have twelve years of Republicans in office to do rectify their HUMINT problem. But what it all comes down to is not that it is not important that Bush Jr. is a Republican, but that the man has such a pedigree. Bush Sr. was the first head of state that had also been the head of the CIA, and was the last chief that knew of the existence of MJ-12 and "faithfully" supported it. The Shrub is also surrounded (and heavily relies upon) people that were significant members of his father's administration, and might be aware and equally supportive of MJ-12. That's gonna mean something when DG or IOB or a Senate sub-committee comes calling about shutting the alien-lovers down. Gil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Jonas Bolander (ERA) [Jonas.Bolander@era.ericsson.se] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 9:05 AM To: Delta Green (E-mail) Subject: [DG] Cursed Island Maybe this might be of some interest : http://labyrinth13.crimespider.com/Palmyra.htm /JoB _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 9:12 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] It begins ... Operation CIPRO At 09:40 PM 12/11/01 +1030, James Knevitt wrote: >Operation CIPRO >The mission: To investigate connections between conspiratorial groups in the >American community responsible for the outbreaks of anthrax across the USA >and forces of the Mythos. > >(I'm thinking Hastur cultists, spreading entropy.) You might be interested in the Army of the Yellow Sign, a militia group founded off the Brotherhood of the Yellow Sign because the Brotherhood had become too pansy-ass. It was thought up by Christian Conkle, and I have it on disk somewhere. Lemme know and I can send you the info in private email. The anthrax attacks have been put upon a lone nut targeting abortion clinics, though I think there might be evidence that it's not just one attack but several. Anti-abortion fanatics could lead to Christian white supremacists which could lead to the Karotechia. It might even be that the whole thing is a smoke screen for a DG operation to send the real weapons-grade anthrax to one particular clinic that is providing fetal stem cells on the side to Genetic Agricultural Products to see what happens when you drop Mother's Milk on the things. Gil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Doctor TOC [otherchris@erols.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 9:32 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] more Lovecraft rpg products Kindred wrote: > Agents, > > anyone know anything about: > > HOG 405 De Profundis RPG 6.95 > Based on the works of H.P. Lovecraft, this roleplaying game of > psychological horror takes the players to the edge of madness, and > beyond! The first Eastern European RPG ever to be translated into > English, De Profundis combines stunningly original gameplay with 1920's > pulp-genre writing in a sharp, stylish, self-contained 24-page format. Got a copy at Dragonmeet. It's basically a correspondence game, where you and your players write letters to each other as if you were inhabiting Lovecraft's world. It's more complex than that though, and I strongly recommend you pick a copy up. Reading it through the other day, I remember thinking that, in the hands of someone not very stable, the game could cause all sorts of problems. Though based on Lovecraft, it is *not* a CoC game. It is, however, both very cool and remarkably inexpensive, as are all Hogshead's "new style" games. Doctor TOC -- The Reverend Doctor "The Other Chris" Secret Elf, Jive Talkin' Choirboy, God of Cowboy Spurs ICQ # 4814586 Daleks! 3D - http://users.rcn.com/otherchris/ Time War RPG - http://jump.to/TimeWar alt.tv.sevendays FAQ - http://welcome.to/7-Days The TOC Files - http://members.fortunecity.com/toc _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Nick Brownlow [stabernide@netscape.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 9:34 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: Re: [DG] DG and the New World Order > All of which have an economic dimension, and all of which are functions of government. Considering I was responsing to this;- <> .. I don't think I'm being unfair. <> There's many more defence/security and policing functions in the hands of the private sector now than you seem to think; particularly in the UK. Even intelligence matters (obviously analysis rather than intelligence-gathering) get farmed out to private sector think-tanks these days. Left wing governments *tradtionally* believe that many areas of industry/government belong in the public sector. Therefore, because they're publically owned, some of them (and certainly not all - the USSR was not a particularly free and easy place where information was concerned), believe that *in theory* the public should be allowed to know a bit about what they own. In practice, this frequently isn't the case, as public scrutinty is a bad thing for civil servants. It was probably much easier to get information on public sector industries in the UK in Thatcher's heyday than it ever was before, if for no other reason than she wanted to prove the case for privatisation. I can see what you're trying to say - but you're over-generalising on a truly massive scale. <> Ok - *crack*. DG is an illegal conspiracy that utilises government employees (amongst others). many of these coem from sectors of government that aren't connected to defence and security. Let's take this off-list if you want to discuss it further - methinks we're getting hopelessly off-topic here.... cheers, Nick -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Keith Potter [kpotter@columbus.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 9:50 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] It begins ... Operation CIPRO on 12/11/2001 10:12, Gil Trevizo at furrylogic@mindspring.com wrote: > The anthrax attacks have been put upon a lone nut targeting abortion > clinics, though I think there might be evidence that it's not just one > attack but several. The abortion clinic attacks were hoaxes, capitalizing on the anthrax-panic currently gripping the country. The lone nut thought responsible (with the appropriately Karotechian name of Waagner) was arrested Cincinnati last week. The perpetrator(s) behind the actual anthrax attacks is unknown, though the government seems to think it's a domestic lone nut rather than foreign terrorists. AFAIK, there haven't been any actual attacks on abortion clinics, just on government and media targets. --Keith Potter _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 10:53 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Anthrax hoaxes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Potter" > The abortion clinic attacks were hoaxes, capitalizing on the > anthrax-panic currently gripping the country. The lone nut thought > responsible (with the appropriately Karotechian name of Waagner) was > arrested Cincinnati last week. Actually, the delivery of dusty letters claiming to be crawling with anthrax to abortion clinics has been going on for at least a year now. The only ones capitalizing on the current anthrax panic were the media that finally got around to moving the stories up to the front pages. But, since abortion clinics have been under siege for so long already, mail is usually delivered to a back entrance or remote room where it is all treated as a potential letter bomb. The hoax anthrax letters are duly reported, and the high priority the cases were given prior to 9/11 is indicated by the fact that all the clinics have received at least one a month for over a year. It's not hard to get the address of each and every clinic that performs abortions in the US, there are web sites dedicated to keeping track and making the info available to anyone that is "pro-life" and might want to keep those cards and letters coming in. Or hide in a parking lot with a weapon. Or install a car bomb, or some other act that displays their reverence for life. Lone nuts don't have to do their own leg work anymore. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ACM [sarnath7@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:14 AM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG and the New World Order Well, from someone living in the 2nd most Republican state in the U.S. (Idaho- there are so few Democrats in the state legislature that some committees may not operate due to the fact that there have to be so many representatives of each party. To have all the commitees run, each Democrat would have to serve on about ten committees), I have formed these conclusions about the parties: Democrats: will form a massive bureaucracy where fighting Catch-22's will be a daily occurence. However, they will not tell you how to act, they will just form 500 agencies to help you act properly. Republicans: will form a smaller government, but it will be very invasive. They will tell you how to act, and to help you remember, will post the Ten Commandments on any available surface. ObDG: Under a stereotypical Democrat, it would probably be easy to hide a few suspect agencies in the bureaucracy. Under a stereotypical Republican, hiding would be harder, but a fake mission statement would do the trick- "We are keeping America free from the aliens that would destroy our way of life". "Do you mean illegal aliens?". "I suppose you could look at it that way." _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 12:27 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] It begins ... Operation CIPRO From: Gil Trevizo >You might be interested in the Army of the Yellow Sign, a militia group >founded off the Brotherhood of the Yellow Sign because the Brotherhood had >become too pansy-ass. I like this. AOTYS uses biological warfare against Majestic-12. Delta Green investigates it under their new Office of Homeland Security mantle. NRO DELTA gets in the mix. If Delta Green plays it's cards right, we can use NRO DELTA as the cannon fodder against the Army... > Anti-abortion fanatics could lead to Christian white >supremacists which could lead to the Karotechia. It might even be that the >whole thing is a smoke screen for a DG operation to send the real >weapons-grade anthrax to one particular clinic that is providing fetal stem >cells on the side to Genetic Agricultural Products to see what happens when >you drop Mother's Milk on the things. I wouldn't send weapons-grade anthrax spores to people who experiment with Mother's Milk. That sounds like something to be avoided at all costs. On the other hand, investigating GAP, the Karotechia, because there are anonymous "reports" of an anthrax threat, or better still, pinning the anthrax scare on GAP and it's allies might be something to consider. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [SPIRAL CHALICE] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 12:32 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Vril -----Original Message----- From: ElLocoToro@aol.com >Now, if the Tillinghast resonator's wacko beams worked EXACTLY like Vril, >that would be weak. How exactly do you think Vril actually works? The occult literature is pretty vague on this subject, it's just this mysterious energy as far as I'm concerned. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 12:44 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Hyper-Cerebral Electrosis (was Re: MiB's awesome Karotechia stuff) From: James Knevitt >I answered yes to all seven. Is that bad? :) Oh no, wait! I feel a >tremendous pounding in my temples! Aaaaargh! > >*SBPLUT* And now we have TWO members of the Delta Green Mailing List who's heads have exploded. >James >Typing without the aid of a cerebral cortex A remarkably common occurance on the internet... The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [SPIRAL CHALICE] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Man in Black [scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 12:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] It begins ... Operation CIPRO -----Original Message----- From: James Knevitt >Operation CIPRO >The mission: To investigate connections between conspiratorial groups in the >American community responsible for the outbreaks of anthrax across the USA >and forces of the Mythos. Imagine that all this handing out of CIPRO to people like it was halloween candy had some ulterior motive (besides boosting pharmeceutical stocks). Combine this with an Army of the Yellow Sign attack on Majestic and you might have something there... The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven/ : [SPIRAL CHALICE] http://www.emerald-hammer.org/ : [EMERALD HAMMER] _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ElLocoToro@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 12:48 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Post-Mulder X-Files <> The ep was called "Medusa" in the US. Also, about the X Files bashing, I agree that its not nearly as horrific (in the most loving sense of the word) as DG, but its still an excellent show and, barring the last two (or three) seasons when Duchovny felt the propensity to whine, as Eckhard says, it remains an excellent show. I have my doubts about the current storyline, with the supersoldiers and all (sorry Eckhard -- I guess they're up for next season for you), but Doggett is definitely a plus. Its not totally un-Delta Green; you have to admit that it shares the same basic conspiracy mythology as DG: its DG without HPL. And yes, ghouls would have been tres cool in that ep. --Mark _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 1:04 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] Re: Pseudo-tradecraft resource ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jussi Marttila" > I found this fun collection of anarchist/phreaker text files at: > > www.textfiles.com/anarchy/ Oh man, does that take me back. All my old favorites. I must have downloaded them all back in the BBS days. There is a lot of chaff, but the occasional kernel of goodness. First impressions are usually correct in these files, you can usually tell within the first paragraph if the rest is worth reading. Here's a few things to look for. 1) People writing how-to manuals about explosives that cannot be bothered with such finicky details as capitalization or punctuation are probably a little lax about some other details as well. If the all-lower-case format is due to some missing digits, well, my sympathies but the tip still applies. 2) I'm still astounded that a phenom that boomed due to the proliferation of computers seems unaffected by the availability of spellcheckers. 3) If the author assures you that the techniques will really impress "chicks," the author is probably under 15 and almost certainly kidding himself. 4) Beware of anyone calling themselves a King of any kind. ;-) From "how to kick some-one's ASS!": "Welcome back to another one of the King's addition of Violence. This a good way to deffand your-self if you come to a situation and you must use physical force. Now just follow these ruls when you fight and you might just Win. but only if you know what to do! 1. If some jerky comes up to you and tells you to fuck right off you can do one of two things. you can a: insult him back or b: hit him hard in the gut. 2. If you done A in number one you can expact him to hit you. Look at his hands the one you see moving back is the one that is going to hit you with so look and when he puls it up move your hand up and block it. then with your other free hand hit him on the jaw! (if you put a lot of power into it you might even knock him out!) |\O 3. If you done B in number one and he does't hit you back and runs/walks away then you might get charged! but if he hits you back then grab his shirt coler with your weak hand and with your powerful hand hit him non-stop in the jaw,nose, or for-head (constant hiting in these areas may make him k.o. (k.o.=knock out!)" Thanks King, don't know what I would have done without you. It's also good to know that you can probably vote now. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ElLocoToro@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 1:04 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Vril In a message dated 12.12.2001 2+33+07 AM, scrogginl001@hawaii.rr.com writes: << >Now, if the Tillinghast resonator's wacko beams worked EXACTLY like Vril, >that would be weak. How exactly do you think Vril actually works? The occult literature is pretty vague on this subject, it's just this mysterious energy as far as I'm concerned. >> Make it up. The plot device of the Tillinghast forces not *fully* being what the Karotechia expect is what I was talking about. Its the notion that what the Karotechia wholeheartedly regard as truth is not truth at all, or at the very least a perversion of the truth. --Mark _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of balance@tubas.net Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 1:11 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Post-Mulder X-Files On Tuesday, December 11, 2001, at 01:48 PM, ElLocoToro@aol.com wrote: > Its not totally un-Delta Green; you have to admit that it shares the > same > basic conspiracy mythology as DG: its DG without HPL. Did anyone think the ancient alien spacecraft plot that was the cliffhanger of a few seasons back seemed like a great chance for the show to change from the standard Aliens plots to a more Lovecraft style? Pity it was cleaned up so quickly... Oh and welcome all: This is my first post to this lsit, though i;ve been lurking for a while... And just picked up DG last night. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 1:57 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Vril ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Man in Black" > How exactly do you think Vril actually works? The occult literature is > pretty vague on this subject, it's just this mysterious energy as far as > I'm concerned. Hell yes. I'm surprised that anyone has objections to Vril being brought in to the DGverse. Here are some descriptions of some of the Vril literature available. "Telegraphy began with a truly radionic basis. Early telegraphic systems utilized the strange and mysterious correspondences acquired between specially treated magnetic needles and sympathetic pendulums (properly grounded and oriented). VRIL maps show that the telegraph system was literally generated along VRIL paths as railroad personnel followed their own intuitions while laying track." "The manner in which VRIL radiance has been apprehended through "aquavideo", photographs, and photochemical means is thoroughly documented here in remarkable depth. Introducing telegraphic patents which made direct use of ancient geomantic means for communicating intent: non-electric pendulum telegraph systems, and VRIL impression recording systems." "A primer course in VRIL genesis of metal lodes and placer deposits is found here. How ancient architecture managed to accumulate, intercept, and modulate VRIL was only the first steps of a science which has yet to reach its perfection." "The discovery of nerve-induction telephony by Antonio Meucci in 1849 marked the true birth of telephony. In these documents, patents, and articles we read of developments whereby deaf persons could hear directly through the nerveworks of the body. In these early attempts to approach true empathic transmission we see the basis of systems which Tesla would later advance to a wary scientific public." "The early history of wireless communications begins with the trans-aqueous systems of Steinheil (1838), Morse, Lindsay, Trowbridge, Highton (1852), Preece, Ratheneau and others. Complete patent collections: the ground signalling systems of J. Murgas, Tesla, Rogers, and others. Early accidental wireless transmissions of Elihu Thomson and others. Static-free reception for shortwave aficionado! Forgotten commercial underground antennas ("Subtennas", "Ground hogs"), buried coils, buried cables, underground terminals, oil-filled wells, and the Moon Co. "antennaless" radios will teach you how. Magnified radio transmission through geological formations. Geology dependent radio systems! Find out how entire VRIL regions are affected by the operation of small double-ground transmitters." "VRIL interactions and electrical irritants in the natural environment. Dangerous VRIL magnifications by electrical impulses. ELF and Project Sanguine articles. Modifying human behavior by ELF brainwave entrainment. HAARP Project patents! Includes large radio power installations of the early RadioAge. Impulse Power Generators of Shoemaker, Reisz, Vreeland, Farnsworth, Chubb, Piggot, and more. Rare period photographs and articles. Huge plasma arc oscillators of Lesh, Fritz Lowenstein (Tesla's assistant), and Valdemar Poulsen." This "pseudo-science" gets connected again and again with Tesla's biggest projects, HAARP, ELF, the Cold War and especially those wacky wacky Nazis. "This secret society was founded, literally, on Bulwer Lytton's novel the Coming Race (1871). The book describes a race of men psychically far in advance of our own. They have acquired powers over themselves and over things that made them almost godlike. For the moment they are in hiding. They are said to live in caves in the center of the Earth. Soon they will emerge to reign over us." That quote was by Willy Ley. Dr. Ley said that the Vril Society-which formed shortly before the Nazis came to power-believed they had secret knowledge that would enable them to change their race and become equals of the men hidden in the bowels of the Earth. Methods of concentration, a whole system of internal gymnastics by which they would be transformed. I don't know about you, but my Lizard Sense (TM) is tingling. Really, you can see squiggly lines coming from my head and everything. "These methods of concentration were probably based on Ignatius Loyola's Spiritual Exercises. The Jesuit techniques of concentration and visualization are similar to many occult teachings, especially in shamanic cults and Tibetan Buddhism. The Nazi's revered these Jesuit Spiritual Exercises, which they believed had been handed down from ancient Masters of Atlantis. The occultists of the time knew that Ignatius was a Basque - some claimed that the Basque people were the last remnant of the Alantean race - and the proper use of these techniques would enable the reactivation of the Vril for the dominance of the Teutonic race over all others." Man o man. Jesuits, shamanic cults, Tibetans, Nazis -- and Basques. What do ya want, a smoking orgone shooter? Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of david wienecke [dwienecke@usa.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:05 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] They are at it again! "Magic Lantern" http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011210/tc/attack_tech_dc_1.html http://www.msnbc.com/news/660096.asp http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7944351.html?tag=mn_hd Dave W. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:45 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Hyper-Cerebral Electrosis (was Re: MiB's awesome Karotechia stuff) On 10 December 2001, Ethan Butterfield reported on HCE: >No one else was hurt in the fatal explosion but four players and three >officials at the Moscow Candidate Masters' Chess Championships were >sprayed with blood and brain matter when Nikolai Titov's head suddenly >blew apart. Experts say he suffered from a condition called >Hyper-Cerebral Electrosis or HCE. This condition may be related to High-Pressure Neural Shrinkage (HPNS), a condition encountered (luckily infrequently) during deep saturation dives. A hitherto unsuspected interaction between high pressure and the helium that makes up much of a deep-diving gas mix can, on very rare occasions, lead to rapid spontaneous shrinkage of the victim's neural tissue. Dr. E. Falworth, MD (Diving Medicine specialist for NUMA and also DG Agent HONORIA) reports (in Appendix A of "Saturation Diving for Delta Green Personnel") that "this shrinkage can more properly be characterized as compaction, on a subcellular level... In most instances, it tends to be limited to less than a millimeter -- sufficient to lead to headaches and disorientation due to the changed dimensions of the brain's neural connections and blood supply... In a handful of cases, the compaction can be somewhat greater, and, while the discomfort of the patient is apparently not increased, the decreased length of the neural pathways leads to a temporarily increased intelligence -- but can also foster a variety of hallucinations and delusions... When the patient is decompressed, the tissue re-expands to normal dimensions, reversing the above effects... Decompression should keep to the modified Navy tables, as too great a decompression rate can result in HCE effects..." She goes on to mention a single incident of "abnormally intense" HPNS, in which the victim decided that the more compact his brain became, the more intelligent he would become! Through means that Dr. Falworth does not fully describe (and possibly (luckily) did not understand, being a physician, biologist, and oceanographer, rather than a quantum physicist), the victim, for whom she uses the pseudonym "Kenny", initiated a hyper-advanced form of HPNS. (This was apparently accomplished with apparatus the victim constructed from some of the entertainment electronics and portable oceanographic sensors in the deep-sea habitat...) She describes how the victim's brain contracted into a hypermass -- virtually a mini black hole -- that swallowed him (and much of the air in that compartment of the habitat, and the generating apparatus), before falling through the deck, and then through the ocean floor. She theorizes that an earthquake that moderately damaged the habitat, about an hour later, was triggered when the artificial quantum black hole "evaporated" someplace near the Moho layer! Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com P.S.: Yes, I know that HPNS is really High Pressure Nervous Syndrome -- a very real condition brought about by high pressure, and which we saw a little of the effects of in "The Abyss"...:) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of James Knevitt [psipsina@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:07 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] It begins ... Operation CIPRO (OT) From: "Lee Williams": > Lee Williams > Associate Editor DEMONGROUND > (and born in Broken Hill NSW as it happens) A shame I know all too well ... small world, huh? YOur name -does- ring a bell for some reason ... :) James --- "I can't beleive what a bunch of nerds we are. We're looking up money laundering in the dictionary." - Office Space _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of James Knevitt [psipsina@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:09 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] It begins ... Operation CIPRO From: "Gil Trevizo": RE: Operation CIPRO > You might be interested in the Army of the Yellow Sign, > I have it > on disk somewhere. Lemme know and I can send you the info in private email. Oooh! Yes please! Gimme gimme gimme! :) James --- "I can't beleive what a bunch of nerds we are. We're looking up money laundering in the dictionary." - Office Space _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of James Knevitt [psipsina@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:12 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Post-Mulder X-Files From: "Eckhard Huelshoff": > Agent Doggett on the opposite is a 'real' investigator. A tough guy who is proud > of his former career as a regular cop. And Special Forces/SEAL training, and being a hardcore badass, etc etc etc. Have you noticed how Scully has taken on Mulder's old role of the believer noew to counterpoint Doggett's skeptic take on things? A bit iffy if you ask me. :) Incidentally, saw the first ep of Lone Gunmen here (Australia) last week. It's so Delta Green! It's great! :) James --- "I can't beleive what a bunch of nerds we are. We're looking up money laundering in the dictionary." - Office Space _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of James Knevitt [psipsina@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:15 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] DG and the New World Order ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil Trevizo": > I would find it really interesting how a Senate sub-committee could know > about Delta Green and the most controlling president in office since FDR > didn't. Don't forget how the National Reconnisance Office was 'outed' - throught a Senate Subcommitte Report. These guys have a rep for screwing up things left right and centre. :) James Living in Australia where we don't have subcommittes, just racist Immigration Ministers _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of ElLocoToro@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:26 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Vril In a message dated 12.12.2001 3+50+10 AM, lizardrex@charter.net writes: << > How exactly do you think Vril actually works? The occult literature is > pretty vague on this subject, it's just this mysterious energy as far as > I'm concerned. Hell yes. I'm surprised that anyone has objections to Vril being brought in to the DGverse. >> I don't have a problem with there being Vril in the DGverse, I just think there should be some outer horror behind it. Like the Elder Things behind the idea of Thule or the MiGo behind the Greys. How boring would DG be if the Greys weren't MiGo constructs but actually Zeta Reticulans from the M-31 star cluster? What I'm saying is have Vril, but make it more horrible than some bizarro occultish force and have the Karotechia be caught off guard by the revelation of the truth. --Mark _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of James Knevitt [psipsina@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:22 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] It begins ... Operation CIPRO ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Man in Black": > Imagine that all this handing out of CIPRO to people like it was > halloween candy had some ulterior motive (besides boosting > pharmeceutical stocks). C'mon, it was the basic plot of Mission: Impossible 2. Release a deadly disease into the public, and invest in the company that produces and antibody/antibiotic/antigen that will combat it, and watch your stocks go through the roof. On a related note, a lot of people are still dumb enough to try and connect the anthrax attacks with Osama bin Laden. In a DG context, one would assume that the individual(s) responsible (we'll assume AotYS) were just using 9/11 as a smokescreen. The question is though, why would the AotYS want to go after Majestic? I thought they'd be more for wholesale chaos regardless of who you are. (I'm getting an Army of the Twelve Monkeys feel here ... ) :) James --- "I can't beleive what a bunch of nerds we are. We're looking up money laundering in the dictionary." - Office Space _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of James Knevitt [psipsina@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:39 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] Vril ----- Original Message ----- From: : > How boring would DG be if the > Greys weren't MiGo constructs but actually Zeta Reticulans from the M-31 star > cluster? We'd all be playing Conspiracy X. :) James --- "I can't beleive what a bunch of nerds we are. We're looking up money laundering in the dictionary." - Office Space _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Michael Layne [theherald@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:47 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] An Army on Your Hard Drive! (Humor...) (Was: Re: [DG] It begins ... ) On 12 December 2001, "James Knevitt" reported: >From: "Gil Trevizo": > >RE: Operation CIPRO > > > You might be interested in the Army of the Yellow Sign, > > > I have it > > on disk somewhere. Lemme know and I can send you the info in private >email. > > >Oooh! Yes please! Gimme gimme gimme! :) Of course, his main interest is probably in the technology required to store an entire army on a computer disk!:) While the US administration spends its time targeting cloning, it has virtually ignored such recent advances in information technology, as the above post makes evident. Placing an army on disk vastly eases the formidable logistical and transportation requirements associated with deployment of such forces! Where, now, the US had to use flights of transport planes and helicopters to deploy its troops in Afghanistan, in the future, it will simply require one Soldier, a laptop computer, and a disk! But we must beware, lest such technology get into the wrong hands! The evildoers (tm) of the world could also smuggle armies of fanatics through security into the civilized world! Every computer disk that crossed a border would need to be checked to see if it contained a heavily armed military unit! (This could get interesting if it is a computer wargame disk...) The bad guys (tm) could even use the Disk Copy utility to replicate more armies at need! A good guy (tm) unit could suddenly find itself surrounded by multiple iterations of the same enemy army! Even worse, an Osama or Lepus could copy himself, multiple times, onto the same disk! This would enable deployment of an entire army, none of which would betray their leader, for they would all _be_ their leader! (Admittedly, this may lead to its own problems in setting up a chain of command, and in giving orders on the battlefield...) If all of this army of Osamas or Lepuses are killed, the original villain still has the archived data to produce more! Lends a whole new meaning to that recruiting slogan "An Army of One", doesn't it? Michael Layne DGGF#688 theherald@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Machiavelli132@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:51 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: [DG] The Future of Delta Green Is there any chance we'll see any Delta Green role-playing material in the near future? It's been a long while, and I find it fairly disturbing that something so very good might just one day...vanish. I know that we've got Dark Theatres, Detwiller's novel, and the computer game, but all of those are indirectly related to the RPG material. Now that Detwiller has signed the death toll to "Our Darkest Hour" a few posts ago, things are looking fairly grim. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 6:11 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] An Army on Your Hard Drive! (Humor...) (Was: Re: [DG] It begins ... ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Layne" > Of course, his main interest is probably in the technology required to > store an entire army on a computer disk!:) > Where, now, the US had to use flights of transport planes and > helicopters to deploy its troops in Afghanistan, in the future, it will > simply require one Soldier, a laptop computer, and a disk! You see? This is what happens when you fall for the headlines in PC Magazine. Sure, *storing* the army isn't much of a problem particularly with the dropping prices of larger hard disks and advances in compression, and cheaper memory finally makes the process fast enough to restore a division in your life time, but it's the *peripherals* that will bite you. At present Hewlett-Packard has a virtual monopoly, and Epson will not getting anything to market this Xmas season. Don't expect prices to come down until sometime next summer. Mark McFadden There is supposedly a port to the Mac, but reports say that you will restore only the liveliest awfulness from armies originally converted by a PC. _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Shane Ivey [shane@revolutionsf.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 6:13 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: RE: [DG] An Army on Your Hard Drive! (Humor...) (Was: Re: [DG] It begins ... ) > The bad guys (tm) could even use the Disk Copy utility to replicate more armies at need! My cyberpunk players used to refer to this sort of thing as DOD: "Dude On Disk". ObDG: I'm dubious that the BOYS would have developed such technology; with their mastery of physiological immortality it seems redundant. - Shane Ivey _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of Gil Trevizo [furrylogic@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 6:27 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Future of Delta Green At 06:50 PM 12/11/01 -0500, Machiavelli132@aol.com wrote: >It's been a long while, and I find it fairly disturbing that something so >very good might just one day...vanish. I know that we've got Dark Theatres, >Detwiller's novel, and the computer game, but all of those are indirectly >related to the RPG material. Now that Detwiller has signed the death toll to >"Our Darkest Hour" a few posts ago, things are looking fairly grim. This has come up a few times in the last few sessions of one of my Delta Green games, and one response has seemed almost too spot-on: "What more does Delta Green need?" Yes, I think the recent ideas of officializing DG have been interesting, but they also significantly change the nature of DG in such a way as we're no longer really playing Delta Green anymore. This is not a bad thing - official DG would be as different as CoC Now is from original DG, but original DG certainly was the best thing possible for CoC Now. I love and cherish OUR DARKEST HOUR, but even if it were ever to go to publication, that would also be a whole other game. So, what more does Delta Green need? A Players Handbook with a bunch of tradecraft would be sweet, but it's hardly necessary. The Cult of Transcendence book would also be sweet, but the DGverse has existed fine without knowing the details of CoT and none of the avenues of exploration in the DGverse seem to lead toward CoT. Another Mythos threat would be nice to play with, but it's not a missing component of what is Delta Green. Kurotokage would be something quite different and would mesh well with the DG world, but the project has been deathly still as of late. A DG campaign book in the epic tradition of Realm of Shadows and Beyond the Mountains of Madness would be awesome, but again, it's not really necessary. Ultimately, I think DG might be a complete system. As long as we play and add to it and move concepts forward, DG won't vanish entirely; but, it may very well mutate into something else. I dunno... I don't see myself playing Delta Green in two years if nothing significant is published. Finishing up the modern DG campaign I'm running now by moving the players through an endgame involving an official DG, yes. Running an OUR DARKEST HOUR campaign, most definitely. But still having the players searching for the answers to the mysteries in DELTA GREEN, COUNTDOWN, and the three chapbooks... I doubt it. Gil _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-deltagreen@revolutionsf.com on behalf of The Lizard King [lizardrex@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:07 PM To: deltagreen@revolutionsf.com Subject: Re: [DG] The Future of Delta Green ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil Trevizo" > Yes, I think the recent ideas of officializing DG have been interesting, > but they also significantly change the nature of DG in such a way as we're > no longer really playing Delta Green anymore. This is not a bad thing - > official DG would be as different as CoC Now is from original DG, but > original DG certainly was the best thing possible for CoC Now. I love and > cherish OUR DARKEST HOUR, but even if it were ever to go to publication, > that would also be a whole other game. The approach I've been attempting through fiction (but mostly fiction in the works) is to use the Delta Green world but not to play Delta Green agents or Friendlies. From the outside Delta Green isn't immediately identifiable as Good Guys. They were disbanded after one of their own went around the bend in Vietnam and got around 300 soldiers killed. They continued to operate as vigilantes after being disbanded. There are between 50 and 80 wild-assed Cowboy ops between Vietnam and Waco, and that firestorm didn't get much good press. The new improved reorganized version was triggered by a bizarre email sent from a secret bunker by an apparently paranoid retired general. It railed against government involvement with aliens and reads like turgid militia prose about the New World Order with hints of David Icke's reptilian invasion. "they know nothing" repeated again and again. Major personalities include an apparently indestructible WWII veteran that has placed spells around the Library of Congress, a SEAL that went non-linear and got sent to prison, another that got a Section 8 and is now "walking the Earth," an apparent mole in the FBI's FinCen that seems to have a working relationship with criminal hackers, and a ghoul. The Kilroy Org was one response to the DG "formula," the basic premise being Mythos-defiant characters that would never ever be Feds or other authorities. Caring about the fate of life on Earth is not the exclusive property of government, and as Kilroy is fond of saying "some things are too important to leave to the government." One thing that allows different approaches and players is the slice of the Big Picture the group possesses. Personal opinions about Reality (TM) will affect the interpretation of what is seen. Remember, no one knows the whole story except the Keeper. Some people just cannot believe in magic or gods and dismiss evidence unexamined as silly superstition, but will obsess over the things possible in their philosophy. Others might consider the existence of aliens on Earth to be a given, and not that important when considering the return of the gods. Another approach I work with is the idea of "lost" DG cells. Cowboys that weren't found and re-recruited by the new DG. Some would be Delta Green cleared personnel that stayed in service after the disbanding, and being extremely paranoid didn't maintain any contacts with other DG people, but kept fighting the good fight. I also went for an Ellroy environment, with more local reactions to the discovery of some Mythos threats. I've got the post-war and 50s Hat Squad in L.A. doing a bit more than roughing up Socialists and East Coast wise guys. Wanna know why the Fate couldn't get a foothold in L.A.? A certain Lt. Smith in the LAPD, blackmailed with his involvement in the Sleepy Lagoon case. Mark McFadden _______________________________________ The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/